That would be. Since each engine runs a bit differently I don’t know how consistent those markings are but you’re right, that would be interesting to look at. Thanks for watching.
Yes, I think speed is a thing with many model train hobbyists- we’re living out our speed fantasies through our trains. 😊. Thanks for watching and for your comment.
Well done Sir! You get a 10 out of 10 on this one! In todays landscape it is totally refreshing to witness a scientist using a scientific approach blended with the pleasure/eye candy factor which is totally fair. Your narrative and speak is a value add to your assessment, outcome, and explanation. I as you see many trains, including train show displays, operated as though they are roller coaster rides. Two frequent questions/comments from guests to my layout: 1) Is this a real train? and 2) How fast is it going or can it go? To 1) I respond “what do you think?” It is a real train just smaller that full scale railroads that you and I might travel on. To 2) I never had a research based, scientific/mathematical response but now I do thanks to you! For my steamers I will calculate and record consist and transformer setting to allow quests to see, say a 45 mph freight; for diesel passenger I will do the same for lets say 75-80 mph. One thing to add/suggest to your outstanding presentation, I would like to see amp draw as it is so important. So from one computer scientist/mathematician/statistician and former instructor to another, WELL DONE and thank you! DavesAFTrains
Thanks a lot for your very interesting comments and excellent rating! Have fun with your project with your steamers. I hadn’t thought about amp draw but maybe I’ll work on that after I finish a few other projects. There’s alway something new to try with this hobby! Thanks, again.
Roger, excellent topic and well covered. I too was getting annoyed with the speeds required to get the engines to show their strength, chuff and puff. About 7 years ago i started changing my engines to Electric Rail Road (ERR) TMCC controllers via Lionel. These little PCB boards offered a Digital DC control of DC Motors to include a cruise capability at a very slow speed. Then Mike's Train House (MTH) Offered its version of Digital Control (DCS) and their fabulous Sound System Proto Sound 2 & 3 (PS2, PS3). They added crew talk and random engine noises too. But what hooked me was the Puff & Chuff. The engines could be directed with a wireless hand held to pull away at 1 MPH Scale speed. Then slowly ramp up to cruising speed with the puffing stack synchronized to the Chuffing Sound. Oh it was amazing. But over time the costs of systems like these started to take off, from $30 ERR TMCC to $250 today and MTH PS2 $75 now $350 if you can find it. I retired in 2017 and started to research how to help my Vintage Original Engines to be as much fun as these expensive 3rd party upgrades. I found it is possible but it has taken over 7 years to develop sane logical upgrades in the Spirit of AC Gilberts support for technology. My Channel on You Tube is Frankentrain Laboratories. Where i have over 900 videos on my efforts. I would like to begin a teamwork with you to evaluate my work and see how I can help to make these upgrades useful and reasonably priced. All my parts designed and made by me are offered at my cost. I am retired and work in my basement. I have train buddies all over the US. Here are a few links to share with you. I am NOT a Modeler, I am a Developer. So my Layout is named Rat Rail Line. I can't paint anything very good. Enjoy and lets talk, 302 in test chassis only ua-cam.com/video/qy9D9MSFLKU/v-deo.html same 302 on the rails in test ua-cam.com/video/HrLresxhJeE/v-deo.html I do run them fast for fun, but the slow speeds can get real exciting with a little more tech applied. Here is an older Video using PS2 on Hudson. ua-cam.com/video/74EAc_yGPAY/v-deo.html My best build a Northern, MTH PS3 ua-cam.com/video/YXRjsC1QQv8/v-deo.html
Thanks for your comments. I’ve watched some of your videos and am impressed with your creativity. I’ve looked into DCC and some other modern systems but, aside from the cost, I like to keep my equipment as original as possible so, with sound for instance, I’ve done some experimenting with trying to integrate speakers into the layout. I haven’t done anything permanent yet but it is something I’ve been exploring and I could see that you might have some helpful tips for that. I’ll check out those links you attached and would be glad to talk some time. I’m in an area where the hobby isn’t real strong, especially for American Flyer, so being able to communicate with people in other parts of the country is a benefit. Let’s keep in touch.
Wow, I had every one of those steam engines and the GP, My GP was set up for pre knuckle couplers. along with that stream line 3 car passenger car set, and several of the freight cars, when I was a kid. Who knows, maybe you have one or all of them Thanks for the memory's. '-)
6:37 there were Many cases where 4-6-2 pacifics ran in excess of 80 mph in passenger service. Hudson’s were known to occasionally run in the 70s up through the 90s and occasionally 100 mph on certain trains and railroads.
Steam would be much slower. I remember as a kid in UK had steam freight and passenger right in front of my house..nothing tore along the track, particularly coal wagons with 2-6-2 locos, slow is so realistic.
Yes, it can be especially when going through urban areas. It’s nice if trains can handle a variety of speeds for realism and just for fun. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
The whole point is what you think is fun. I see no problem with running the trains a little fast. After all, Model trains from this era were also known as "toy trains."
Yes, that’s true. I guess there are always concessions we have to make to exact realism so each hobbyist has to decide how to handle it to keep the fun in the hobby. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
Yes, I’m sure they can especially with no load or a minimal load. Anyway, on my layout that would be really fast. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
Thanks for American flyer information
This is really good information and perspective. Thanks for putting this video together.
Thanks for your supportive comment and for watching.
Fascinating study! It would be interesting to see how your measured speeds compare to the MPH markings on the transformer...
That would be. Since each engine runs a bit differently I don’t know how consistent those markings are but you’re right, that would be interesting to look at. Thanks for watching.
I've noticed that too w/ most American Flyer trains but have seen it on other scales as well.
Yes, I think speed is a thing with many model train hobbyists- we’re living out our speed fantasies through our trains. 😊. Thanks for watching and for your comment.
Well done Sir! You get a 10 out of 10 on this one! In todays landscape it is totally refreshing to witness a scientist using a scientific approach blended with the pleasure/eye candy factor which is totally fair. Your narrative and speak is a value add to your assessment, outcome, and explanation. I as you see many trains, including train show displays, operated as though they are roller coaster rides. Two frequent questions/comments from guests to my layout: 1) Is this a real train? and 2) How fast is it going or can it go? To 1) I respond “what do you think?” It is a real train just smaller that full scale railroads that you and I might travel on. To 2) I never had a research based, scientific/mathematical response but now I do thanks to you! For my steamers I will calculate and record consist and transformer setting to allow quests to see, say a 45 mph freight; for diesel passenger I will do the same for lets say 75-80 mph. One thing to add/suggest to your outstanding presentation, I would like to see amp draw as it is so important. So from one computer scientist/mathematician/statistician and former instructor to another, WELL DONE and thank you! DavesAFTrains
Thanks a lot for your very interesting comments and excellent rating! Have fun with your project with your steamers. I hadn’t thought about amp draw but maybe I’ll work on that after I finish a few other projects. There’s alway something new to try with this hobby! Thanks, again.
Roger, excellent topic and well covered. I too was getting annoyed with the speeds required to get the engines to show their strength, chuff and puff. About 7 years ago i started changing my engines to Electric Rail Road (ERR) TMCC controllers via Lionel. These little PCB boards offered a Digital DC control of DC Motors to include a cruise capability at a very slow speed. Then Mike's Train House (MTH) Offered its version of Digital Control (DCS) and their fabulous Sound System Proto Sound 2 & 3 (PS2, PS3). They added crew talk and random engine noises too. But what hooked me was the Puff & Chuff. The engines could be directed with a wireless hand held to pull away at 1 MPH Scale speed. Then slowly ramp up to cruising speed with the puffing stack synchronized to the Chuffing Sound. Oh it was amazing. But over time the costs of systems like these started to take off, from $30 ERR TMCC to $250 today and MTH PS2 $75 now $350 if you can find it. I retired in 2017 and started to research how to help my Vintage Original Engines to be as much fun as these expensive 3rd party upgrades. I found it is possible but it has taken over 7 years to develop sane logical upgrades in the Spirit of AC Gilberts support for technology. My Channel on You Tube is Frankentrain Laboratories. Where i have over 900 videos on my efforts. I would like to begin a teamwork with you to evaluate my work and see how I can help to make these upgrades useful and reasonably priced. All my parts designed and made by me are offered at my cost. I am retired and work in my basement. I have train buddies all over the US. Here are a few links to share with you. I am NOT a Modeler, I am a Developer. So my Layout is named Rat Rail Line. I can't paint anything very good. Enjoy and lets talk, 302 in test chassis only ua-cam.com/video/qy9D9MSFLKU/v-deo.html
same 302 on the rails in test ua-cam.com/video/HrLresxhJeE/v-deo.html
I do run them fast for fun, but the slow speeds can get real exciting with a little more tech applied. Here is an older Video using PS2 on Hudson. ua-cam.com/video/74EAc_yGPAY/v-deo.html
My best build a Northern, MTH PS3 ua-cam.com/video/YXRjsC1QQv8/v-deo.html
Thanks for your comments. I’ve watched some of your videos and am impressed with your creativity. I’ve looked into DCC and some other modern systems but, aside from the cost, I like to keep my equipment as original as possible so, with sound for instance, I’ve done some experimenting with trying to integrate speakers into the layout. I haven’t done anything permanent yet but it is something I’ve been exploring and I could see that you might have some helpful tips for that. I’ll check out those links you attached and would be glad to talk some time. I’m in an area where the hobby isn’t real strong, especially for American Flyer, so being able to communicate with people in other parts of the country is a benefit. Let’s keep in touch.
Thanks for finding this and sharing it with us.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.
Just like many things we observe in life, it ultimately comes down to personal preference and perspective.
That’s very true. It’s a hobby to enjoy as you see fit. Thanks for watching and for your comment.
Wow, I had every one of those steam engines and the GP, My GP was set up for pre knuckle couplers. along with that stream line 3 car passenger car set, and several of the freight cars, when I was a kid. Who knows, maybe you have one or all of them
Thanks for the memory's. '-)
Having some of your trains is an interesting thought! I’m glad I could help bring back memories and thanks for watching.
6:37 there were Many cases where 4-6-2 pacifics ran in excess of 80 mph in passenger service. Hudson’s were known to occasionally run in the 70s up through the 90s and occasionally 100 mph on certain trains and railroads.
Wow! That would have been interesting to see. I imagine that put out a lot of smoke! Thanks for the comment.
Nice
Thanks for the research. Very helpful.
The K-5 Pacific is an incredible engine. Nice detail, especially the side rods.
Yes, they are. I’m also very partial to the Hudsons. I think they are a very elegant design. Thanks for watching and for the comments.
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The Flyer K-5, Hudson, Northern, and 0-8-0 have awesome sides rods, far better than anything Lionel had. BTW, I also collect Lionel!
Interesting. Tnx.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Steam would be much slower. I remember as a kid in UK had steam freight and passenger right in front of my house..nothing tore along the track, particularly coal wagons with 2-6-2 locos, slow is so realistic.
Yes, it can be especially when going through urban areas. It’s nice if trains can handle a variety of speeds for realism and just for fun. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
The whole point is what you think is fun. I see no problem with running the trains a little fast. After all, Model trains from this era were also known as "toy trains."
Great points. Many of us are living second childhoods when we're playing with our trains so enjoy it however works for you.
Keep in mind those impossibly sharp curves make excess speed even more visually disturbing.
Yes, that’s true. I guess there are always concessions we have to make to exact realism so each hobbyist has to decide how to handle it to keep the fun in the hobby. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
Real steam trains have been known to run over 100 MPH
Yes, I’m sure they can especially with no load or a minimal load. Anyway, on my layout that would be really fast. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.