Bethenny is one of those people who's hyper analytical and perceptive - it's easy for it to come off judgmental, but I actually find that ability of hers fascinating. She's rarely wrong about her analyses of others and she' knows it. Unfortunately she went too far with psychoanalyzing Carole, it backfired, and cost her a friendship. It's really interesting how someone so perceptive doesn't necessarily have the insight to to analyze their own behavior, and that tends to be how she gets in these dramas with people.
Very true, she's to the point and wants to figure people out but it's not malicious. She doesn't like the beating around the bush or the passive aggression and hidden agendas. I agree with what the last guy said, she tried harder to mend the friendship than Carole did.
Why isn’t anyone talking about when they were on the boat ride from hell & Bethenny got down on the deck to comfort Carole when she was Puking even though Carole didn’t do a thing when Bethenny had an allergic reaction ( no one can tell me Romona didn’t tell B on purpose ) Carole didn’t even ask Bethenny if she felt better ! And when Bethenny was crying as they talked about their friendship Carole sat there like the cold hearted person she is! Yet Bethenny still rubbed her back , held Carole’s hair back & comforted her! That’s a real friend!!! Team Bethenny
You're right. Tinsley as hostess should've at least made sure no one had any shellfish allergies. And checked to make sure that Bethenny wasn't dying upstairs. As long as they've known Bethenny, I have to believe Ramona and Carole knew about her allergy and said nothing, did nothing. Wonder if Carole even acknowledged Bethenny for helping her or if she even thanked her.
Sonja said publicly that Carole just wasn't into Bethenny anymore. I had a friend of 10 years quit talking to me and I still have no idea why. There's something cowardly about the way Carole has handled this. Be honest about what your deal is! I think Bethenny would be better if Carole would just be honest with her. Trust me, not knowing WHY is what hurts the most. Tinsley is low maintenance and unchallenging. That's what Carole likes now I guess.
@@pretendamnesia who Carole? Of course, she is as fake as they come. Bethanny is real and tells it how the majority of people see it! Sorry but Bethanny is more real than Carole could ever dream of being!
Carole just changed. Carole wanted a different friendship & Bethenny didn't understand what happened. Bethenny was dependent on the friendship & when things shifted she just sat there hurt, put her wall up, and then gave up trying.
Someone what wants a true friendship would not refer to the other person as careerless, codependent and uncharitable on TV then turn around and claim to have said nothing. Carole wanted a friend and Bethenny wanted a fan. She got what she asked for, she has Sonja, who is hanging in there for the perks and freebies.
Yup! Also, I think Carole hit the nail on the head when she said she realized that she didn’t like Bethenny anymore and that she wants easier friendships. There’s nothing wrong with Bethenny. Carole is the one that changed, had the shift, and pivoted. Bethenny was just confused the whole time. People grow apart and that’s ok. The unfortunate thing is Carole bashing bethenny at the reunion as if they never had a great, respectful friendship. Bethenny never bashed Carole.
I agree Ramona has been so 2 faced to all her "friends" & Wtf did Ramona help Sonja at all when she was going thei her finance probs?? Nope . her drinking issues or anything at all ? Nope. I haven't likes Ramona at all tis entire decade or so.
I'm a Potato Ramona is the most obnoxious person in the entire franchise. I assume obnoxious people hang together hence the illusion that Ramona has “friends”. I’m sure they all only like each other or hang together because everyone else doesn’t want to hang with them.
natzki spionen ..... it might seem that way through a television screen because Bethenny is always on trying to sell herself as the likeable, straight shooting loveable perfectionist because her success in business is based hugely on the fan base she created from being on the show. And she knew that's what was happening.
Ha! That is actually the best way to describe her interpersonal communication skills because with her, you will NEVER win. She catastrophes everything, she will not consider other people’s perspective as having merit unless it aligns with hers. She is cunning and passive-aggressive. She used to be funny and witty then went off the rails with negativity after Season 1. Her beef wit Carol stems from abandonment issues cause Carol had a lot going on Bethany felt her pulling away and then Carol was vacationing with Tinsley and the guys. Bethany felt slighted so she was determined to make Carols life hell. Narcissistics will make sure that they are the one who discards first. It’s subconscious.
I always find it amazing that no matter what issues there are between Bethanny and the others, they all come to her when they are going through something and Bethanny offers support and comfort everytime!! Sadly when she is going through shit they all just criticize her and do not support her!!
Here is my problem with Carole, every time she discusses Bethenny or what she’s done for Bethenny she ALWAYS throws money into it. I gave this amount to her charity, I gave her $300 worth of flowers, it’s just about how she thinks money equates her loyalty or her friendship and that’s not friendship. Bethenny is like I need you and Carole’s response is always “well I did this for you”, she has zero emotional attachment and I think Bethenny came to the realization of oh this is who you are, I didn’t know. Bethenny realized Carole wasn’t who she thought she was and slowly backed out of the relationship but Carole kept taking swipes at Bethenny like you are too needy but the fact was no honey you are just a cold hearted person and that’s not who Bethenny wants for a friend. Bethenny said Carole changed and I think the audience saw she didn’t change as much as she stopped pretending to be someone she wasn’t. She got tired of trying to pretend to be human and that’s fine but just don’t be nasty about it, just go away. I think the more Carole got called out the more vindictive she got. Bethenny pointing out that Adam’s motives weren’t good really pissed Carole off and that’s what opened the flood gates and then he dumped Carole and that made her even more bitter and the entire she just kept repeating oh this doesn’t bother me well honey clearly it bothered you.
@Mike M Nice spin~ akin to a BF move. Bethany is most comfortable when she is throwing punches. . She has melt downs when they get thrown back. Her biggest weakness is she thinks she has nothing but strengths.
@Mike M nahh Shes had many a freak out. W many a person. I think you need to rewatch. Also who :, pray tell , holds Bethsny accountable...certainly not Bethany .. Ramona and Kelly are child play anyone could outwit them. Bethany cant handle ppl " her own size " she freaked out on the reunion towards Carol for just one example. She is wound as tight as a top. Fun for about 5 mins then insufferable. She needs yrs of counseling. There are a lot of ppl in the threads w similar takes on this as myself.. mi think its fairly obvious
Real talk, if you've watched the show from the first season, you'd know them women (especially old cast mates) are just jealous. They can't believe the broke chef from season 1, is richer and more relevant than they are. They've tried to get her kicked off the show and now they're just trying to band together and not work with her, that's it
This level of truth honestly sent a shock wave into the universe and had me fall out of my chair and onto the floor. Girrrlllll, SPEAK ON IT. SPEAK. ON. IT.
@@adish7275 I agree. I love Bethenny but she scares me. Carole is like the coolest girl, super laid back, even slightly boring. How can you be mad at her?
@@nicolassundara9568 it's strange Bethenny's fans don't realize how nasty she is, I guess they are used to it. I find it hard to watch. In the real world she isn't normal, rich or not.
Bethenny has a sad history of family and friends who have treated her badly. She really needs that ride or die friend. I think she thought Carole was that person, but when it got too intense Carole bailed. Carole as much as said that herself. This isn't about Adam or charity or money. It's all about Bethenny feeling like her friend left her. Someone else left her. Bethenny is intense, but she's not complicated at all. She's quite clear about what her issues are and what she needs. If Carole can't oblige, then say that but don't go around bashing her.
Bethenny didn't want Carole to be close to anyone else but her. She started bashing Carole over Tinsley and that is not ok. If Bethenny wants friends she should learn how to treat people. Going thru hard times does not give her carte Blanche to be a witch
Team Bethenny. Carole’s coming off as a high schooler who’s rubbing it in that she’s the cool girl now. Bethenny is right, Carole has shifted in her attitude, and it reads on camera.
Carol has always been the cool girl, without trying, unlike Bethenny who thought she could class herself up by hanging out with Carol. Look at their histories. Bethenny's money will never buy her class. She is not a girls' girl. She tries at every chance she gets to mow the other girls down no matter what they do. If it isn't about Bethenny, she has a tantrum/meltdown.
I still find it shocking that Carole thinks she hasn't changed. You're right - her attitude has been off all season. Maybe since Adam split. She is very unaware of herself at this point and it's very unattractive.
Definitely Bethenny! She’s not perfect, but she’s intelligent, honest, true to herself, strong, generous, and she’s not fake, plus she’s looking healthier and more beautiful than ever. Without her the show would be less interesting.
I know. Ramona was salivating watching them go after Bethenny. It was nauseating how jealous of Bethenny she is. Gross. I can't believe she's 60 and behaving that way.
Carole seemed the only person who is a truly genuine person. She seems grounded, reasonable & wise & tries to work things through in a reasonable way. Bethenny tries to do that, but has low frustration tolerance, reacts, and becomes vicious when she doesn't "win".
Carlon Buckels They aren’t saying Bethenny isn’t difficult, they are saying Ramona has the nerve to say someone is difficult when she is the most difficult out of them all.
Hilarious it's all the simple-minded women that find Bethany difficult. It's amazing they want to pull their s*** and never get called on it well you're not going to be able to do that with Bethany around so of course they consider that difficult cuz they can't get away with their crap
I feel like Bethenny is the kind of friend to dump all their trauma on you and it makes you feel exhausted after seeing them. I don't think she's aware of it either, but she's constantly negative. Even her jokes, regardless if they're about others or herself, are depracating. It can be a lot. I can see why maybe Carole needed a break or to set up boundaries to keep things light and I think that made Bethenny anxious and insecure about their relationship. She would throw jabs at Carole, like saying she only cares about selfies or whatever; and then cry when Carole would tell her she's wrong or not respond. It's like she sabotages her relationships without realizing that it's her behavior that pushes people away. They had that whole anxious/avoidant attachment style relationship going on.
There is a shift in the relationship because Bethanney criticized Carole's ex-boyfriend and the friendship spiralled down fast from there. One thing I've learnt in life, is your friendship can be gone in a nano second the minute you criticize or make accusation about someone's partner thats always a sensitive subject even if you are right... end of!
They were already having trouble when she talked about Adam to C. C always acts like she is so cool. The whole attitude she had about dating Adam was insane. They were not living together they were just "shacking up". C is so stupid. She only wanted to date Adam to look cool because he was so much younger. He really wasn't that hot. She just wanted to look cool by dating a younger guy and not have to be real about a relationship because of his age. Then they were just friends with benefits but she said in one of her interviews that he better not date anyone one else or she would have nothing more to do with him. She also made a point out of letting everyone know he was trying to woo her back. Then there was the whole red scarf guy. She really made a fool out of herself saying he wasn't interested in B even though it was clear he came to the dating event to see B. Carol sucks!
These housewives saying unhappy about the crashing of the friendship of B and C... if i know they live for this kind of drama... Especially Ramona she loves this especially if bethenney is involved with the drama... Bethenney rules NY...
There was definitely a change in Carole throughout the seasons, she was really chill at the start and I liked her back then but she got really superficial and catty towards the end, it’s a shame. I feel like Bethenny has always been more genuine, she has dealt with an unreal amount of trauma and her philanthropic work is incredibly admirable.
100% Bethenny. Jealousy, definitely got the best of Carole. Bethenny really was morning the loss, Carol was pissed about the whole Adam expecting money when asked to come film Puerto Rico. Carol was lying about Adam moving on and not being sad. Remember Carole, oh look Adam sent me tulips, trying to get her back. Carolel' s true colors showed this season. She is Not a good friend or person, watch put Tinsley have a baby and Carole is gone like the wind.
I started off being team Carole but by the end of the season I was team Bethenny. Carole was being really passive aggressive towards Bethany during that season and then played victim when Bethany threw jabs back
Finally carol stood her ground, good for her! No one needs a manipulative and controlling friend, that brings you down. B needs to continue with therapy.
Carol has always loathed The Countess and loved dating her chef knowing it ticked her off, Carol is the most petty of the group along with Ramona. What Carol did in all seasons was criticize Luann non-stop. She loved how Luann was arrested and she is the type of woman who constantly compares herself to others I think and she could never be a Countess or speak over 3 different languages like Luann she loved how Bethanny was irritated by Luann and I think fueled it which extended to the big blow out in the Bezerkshires. Bethany going through a hell of a divorce was worked up I think and Carol as her friend then just sat back and watched it all with popcorn. Carol never had anyone's back and she has displayed historically hating women and conniving to pin women against women, she hates Sonja for her free spirited non-chelan attitude and her sexiness. Well Carol latched on to Bethanny because she loved how Bethenny wasn't a fan of The Countess. She she is friends with Tinsley because it was her way out from Bethany, it just happened to be Tinsley and I think it's not an authentic friendship. Anyways team Bethany all the way she has always come across straight and not conniving or manipulative which is why people love her!
As a viewer it seemed like Bethenny tried to mend the friendship a little more than Carol did. But who knows what actually happened behind the scenes. With both women making snarky comments to each other how can either one expect to fix the issues between them.
Karen Chin the last episode when she said she doesn’t crash and burn her relationships like some people- implying Bethenny. She was also nasty on her blog and twitter.
Team Bethenny! Yes, she’s loud, and in-your-face...but there is no BS involved! She doesn’t have time for it! Carol is opportunistic and a cling-on. She’s notable for being married to a Kennedy cousin; and then cashing in on their horrifically tragic deaths. Get a job. Get a life. Get relevant.
ChrisandAlli Tomlinson Carole was a reporter ,who then wrote books that were bestsellers,then went on for 6 seasons of a reality show,while writing articles in national magazines and also gets payed for advertisements and promotions.She is an accomplished busy woman. She supports herself well.She was also helping her friends. A book party for one friend (about chronic pain management)..........so mean.Then she had the gall to stay with a newly widowed friend. This is such bullshit.
Yeah I mean you know Bethany is made all the charity work she has done all about her. All the charity work that none of her copart's have ever been apart of she's raised hundreds of millions of dollars for people in need wow she is so self-absorbed
@@candaceking1518 her charity work is amazing I never said it wasn’t but she does like the focus to be on her and what her company is doing and what her charity is doing and what tv program is doing. People fall out with her because they get sick of every day being about Bethenny.
@@evas9735 are you trying to tell me that Bethany more than any other woman on the show likes the spotlight on them and what they're doing?? Think about that for a minute
@@evas9735 you know it's funny that you say that because Bethany is a self-made woman maybe that's why she's more self-focused. Every Other Woman on that show married money. Everything Bethany is done is on her own and she's f****** amazing!! And the fact that she's willing to put charity work over herself enter image and being on television I find it really difficult to believe you say it's the Bethenny show alldayeveryday I just don't think you get it
Team Bethenny! Carole claims she's confused why their friendship fell apart but she's said it throughout the season that now it's not all about B- thats the reason among others she's put out there. Its clear she enjoyed the superficiality of her relationship with Tinsley. She wanted to be the Queen B and hated B calling out Adam as an operator. Gurl bye!
Everybody is on team Bethenny especially after seeing how Carole behaved during this year's trip... Carole used to be my favorite but I'm glad she's off the show now. She was despicable this season.
Ramona is the most difficult person I've ever seen in my life. I don't think b is difficult. She's straight forward on how she feels. Carole though is extremely passive aggressive
Bethenny. I am a lot like her. When I feel a shift, I will analyze it, pull away, analyze it.. put my guard up to figure out what is going on.. I do push people away because of a trust thing. I try not to but when I feel something is off, I do that at times.
I'm really sad they aren't friends anymore and from how nasty it's been on social media it doesn't look like it will ever be repairable. But I gotta say after watching the whole season even when I could see where Carole was coming from at the end of the day based on what the audience was shown there was a shift in their friendship and everytime Bethenny asked Carole what happened and why she was mad at her all Carole did was shake her head and say "oh I don't know. We're both just doing different things. It's not a big deal." Bethenny genuinely looked very hurt and upset by the demise of their friendship and Carole just looked like she couldn't be bothered. If you're upset with someone and they ask you why and you refuse to tell them what the root of the issue is then that's not a "we" problem that's a "you" problem. And based on Carole's inability to really articulate why she was so pissed at Bethenny it definitely looks like a "her" problem.
Loved Carole and Bethenney as best friends, because they were my faves...then Carole screwed B over and now I am firmly Team Bethenney. Carole is not as real as B.
Bethenny because Carol was mean girl-ish...but I would just love them to talk it out and come to a resolution because it got ugly for no reason and I liked Carol in every other season.
I like Bethenny but I definitely couldn't be friends with her. Bethenny seems like she's very much into what she is doing and that it is, either get with it or leave. But I also probably couldn't be friends with Carole either. But I will say the way Bethenny treated Sonja this season was great. More focus should be placed on whatever the f Dorinda was on this season lol.
Just as I wrote that she calls Sonja out for not donating. Why even share that how is it even relevant? Just thank those who did donate, don't call anyone out.
I LOVE Bethenny. She’s very entertaining and very brainy/witty. However, I do think she can be difficult in person because she has a very strong personality. BUT... with that said, I also think that Bethenny was just going through ALOT when Tinsley came along (her businesses, charities, daughter, moving, ongoing custody battle, etc). All this made Bethenny “heavier” to be around with. Things intensified. I think this is what Carole meant with “there’s a whole lot of Bethenny and not alot of me”. Because of Bethenny’s personal issues, it created a shift in their relationship... and Tinsley was the substitute. And of course Tinsley meeting her boyfriend through Carole, they became closer naturally.
If you're her friend don't you at least tell her why you're ghosting? And isn't it part of friendships to ebb and flow but still remain friends? You don't bale when you know your friend needs you. If you're feeling a certain way, you communicate those feelings and balance the relationship.
damn671 if any of that were true then why do both Carole and Tinsley say they aren’t close friends, so are they lying because they’ve both been on WWHL and they both said oh we hang out occasionally but we aren’t close, so which is it? Carole ghosted Bethenny and Bethenny saw she was running around with Tinsley so she backed off and then Carole turned around and said you never call me. Carole can’t have it both ways but most of all she can’t just have it her way. She neglected a friendship and then blamed the person she neglected.
I’m loyal to Bethany she had my respect first .. I really liked Carole but this situation has put me off her a little .. there’s two sides to every story and both have their feelings but if it was my choice .. I’d have Bethany as a friend as she is always straight and although it can be harsh n dent you at least she is always truthful and calls it like it is .. a spades a spade n what you see Ia what you get with Bethany so I’d take that any day .. TEAM BEE
Lexcee Kent I love Sonja and feel she’s not given due credit for her handling of her true struggles. She’s not a diva like some of these women and neither is Bethenny.
TEAM B!!! It seemed like Ramona really got off on causing drama with Bethenny. She was always really excited when someone was mad at Bethenny. On the reunion everyone kept saying Bethennywas a bully but they all just came off as the ones who were bullies
So you really think that Carole owes us an explanation about her personal life? Even if that was true about Adam, doesn't she keep her dignity by keeping that to herself?
The problem is, Carol's relationship wasnt private. She had it plastered everywhere. Does she have to admit Adam was a mistake? She doesn't have to. It's a matter of public record now. She publicly destroyed a friendship over a kid who didnt show her the loyalty Bethany did. A dignified way of handling yourself would be to mend your friendship, remember that you said yourself it was a dead end street and should just be some fun and dust yourself off and move on... instead of throwing grenades at your bestie while defending the immature kid. All season she spoke about bethany and the situation but only addressed the actual cause one time on camera and the rest if the time she refused to be honest about it and transparent cuz she knew shed look stupid saying it's over a disloyal kid. Hes not evil. Hes an immature kid. And she said up front this will go nowhere, it's for fun and ends up losing a friendship over a kid who dumped her anyway.
@@bangeryun94, I don't agree that she owes viewers that level of personal sharing. They didn't get that personal about the relationship when it was good- we just saw them together. I like that she is more controlled, but I guess it could come across as not so transparent.
I see Bethenny as a perfectionist in everything and once she feels betrayed she looks at the person differently and they can never really go back to the relationship the way it was because she has lost trust and now they don’t measure up. Most friendships survive because one or both of them overlook those times they feel the other didn’t treat them the best or appreciate them. Bethenny has a hard time overlooking those things because they feel intentional whether they are or not. Also, I think Bethenny is very busy with her businesses and I imagine it feels like she goes MIA to her friends. So, while she has a hard time overlooking their dismissive behavior she doesn’t see where she could have been dismissive because I don’t think she sees herself as intentionally doing anything wrong.
I disagree that it has anything to do with her perfectionism. Bethenny has no real, honest-to-God friendships that aren’t either business related or acquaintance-level relationships. Who does she confide in? Her paid staff. Who does she rely on for emotional support? Her paid staff. No that she is in a relationship with a guy that seems to be able to stand up to her and have his own boundaries, I think she has *that one person* now. We know she doesn’t take the women from RHONY seriously as friends, she sees them as pawns. She is a big baby and gets her feelings hurt when her acquaintances/minions (Carole) have other plans with *actual* friends they have and don’t wish to mix Bethenny in with. I get that Bethenny is a busy business woman, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is bound to her schedule and to socialise when *she* can manage to squeeze it in.
@@meeramoran7196 Bethenny is the real snake. She broke off her friendship with Carole because she wouldn't introduce Bethenny to a grieving widow, whose husband was a powerful Hollywood executive. Bethenny will literally throw a child under a bus for a paycheck and fame
Team Carol- I like Bethenny but it seems she was being and can be a little too needy as a friend. She likes people to always support her and if a friend says I need some space right now a true friend should respect that.
Catherine Joyner That is true, a true friend would respect that and I think Bethenny would have too. Carole never really gave that to her. When asked Carole would say nothings changed, and things were fine. Clearly they weren't and she had already left the relationship but didn't let Bethenny know.
“Everything I say is always true” - Bethenny. Truth is subjective to the person. Truth and fact are separate. Bethenny asserts her truth as fact. For this she thinks she’s always right. Communication isn’t effective with someone who always thinks they’re right. I can see why Carole would distance herself from the toxicity Bethenny creates in the friendship through this mindset. I think Carole could have been more succinct about it by simply saying “How you’re behaving doesn’t make me like you or want to pursue something deeper with you”. No more explanation. Let a baby cry. Let a dog bark. And Bethenny had a lot to say about Carole this season. Her saying she didn’t talk about her that much may be true to her, but it isn’t a fact.
Bethenny is one of those people who's hyper analytical and perceptive - it's easy for it to come off judgmental, but I actually find that ability of hers fascinating. She's rarely wrong about her analyses of others and she' knows it. Unfortunately she went too far with psychoanalyzing Carole, it backfired, and cost her a friendship. It's really interesting how someone so perceptive doesn't necessarily have the insight to to analyze their own behavior, and that tends to be how she gets in these dramas with people.
Yes yes yes, i was trying to articulate this earlier. Thank you
Very well said. I believe Bethenny is misunderstood by most people. It’s frustrating for her, I’m sure.
@@MsTrain69 Totally. It's like she's too smart for her own good, lol.
Very true, she's to the point and wants to figure people out but it's not malicious. She doesn't like the beating around the bush or the passive aggression and hidden agendas. I agree with what the last guy said, she tried harder to mend the friendship than Carole did.
Annnd Carole is fos and salty because...she has no career.
Why isn’t anyone talking about when they were on the boat ride from hell & Bethenny got down on the deck to comfort Carole when she was Puking even though Carole didn’t do a thing when Bethenny had an allergic reaction ( no one can tell me Romona didn’t tell B on purpose ) Carole didn’t even ask Bethenny if she felt better ! And when Bethenny was crying as they talked about their friendship Carole sat there like the cold hearted person she is!
Yet Bethenny still rubbed her back , held Carole’s hair back & comforted her! That’s a real friend!!! Team Bethenny
She was being fake for the cameras, AS ALWAYS.
You're right. Tinsley as hostess should've at least made sure no one had any shellfish allergies. And checked to make sure that Bethenny wasn't dying upstairs. As long as they've known Bethenny, I have to believe Ramona and Carole knew about her allergy and said nothing, did nothing. Wonder if Carole even acknowledged Bethenny for helping her or if she even thanked her.
Sonja said publicly that Carole just wasn't into Bethenny anymore. I had a friend of 10 years quit talking to me and I still have no idea why. There's something cowardly about the way Carole has handled this. Be honest about what your deal is! I think Bethenny would be better if Carole would just be honest with her. Trust me, not knowing WHY is what hurts the most. Tinsley is low maintenance and unchallenging. That's what Carole likes now I guess.
Marlynne K Yep I had a friend completely cut me off, no idea why. So hurtful and cowardly. Carole just isn’t in the same intellectual league as B.
@@pretendamnesia who Carole? Of course, she is as fake as they come. Bethanny is real and tells it how the majority of people see it! Sorry but Bethanny is more real than Carole could ever dream of being!
Carole just changed. Carole wanted a different friendship & Bethenny didn't understand what happened. Bethenny was dependent on the friendship & when things shifted she just sat there hurt, put her wall up, and then gave up trying.
Someone what wants a true friendship would not refer to the other person as careerless, codependent and uncharitable on TV then turn around and claim to have said nothing. Carole wanted a friend and Bethenny wanted a fan. She got what she asked for, she has Sonja, who is hanging in there for the perks and freebies.
Like Carole said, all B relationships imploded. It's true. It's not Carole it's Bethenney
Carole changed cause she got sick of it. Anyone would.
Yup! Also, I think Carole hit the nail on the head when she said she realized that she didn’t like Bethenny anymore and that she wants easier friendships. There’s nothing wrong with Bethenny. Carole is the one that changed, had the shift, and pivoted. Bethenny was just confused the whole time. People grow apart and that’s ok. The unfortunate thing is Carole bashing bethenny at the reunion as if they never had a great, respectful friendship. Bethenny never bashed Carole.
TK W Carole got a back bone!
Ramona giving her take on how difficult it is to be friends with someone she’s never been friends with 🙄, girl bye
At least Ramona has friends. Bethenny literally has to pay people to be around her.
I agree Ramona has been so 2 faced to all her "friends" & Wtf did Ramona help Sonja at all when she was going thei her finance probs?? Nope . her drinking issues or anything at all ? Nope. I haven't likes Ramona at all tis entire decade or so.
I'm a Potato Ramona is the most obnoxious person in the entire franchise. I assume obnoxious people hang together hence the illusion that Ramona has “friends”. I’m sure they all only like each other or hang together because everyone else doesn’t want to hang with them.
Bethenny is very difficult. She fights with all female friends. It’s odd.
I'm a Potato yea 60 close girlfriends ! 🥴😂😂
Bethenny is right 99% of the time, from what I have seen. She is hard not to like and not to cheer on. A fun, kind and passionate person.
Bethenny is very difficult. She fights with all female friends. It’s odd.
natzki spionen
..... it might seem that way through a television screen because Bethenny is always on trying to sell herself as the likeable, straight shooting loveable perfectionist because her success in business is based hugely on the fan base she created from being on the show. And she knew that's what was happening.
Bethenny is genius at manipulation followed by gaslighting. She can dismantle the soul of a person and then sit back and watch them spiral out
You absolutely hit the nail on the head with this one
I couldn’t agree more. Bethenny is so self absorbed and Carole is so lovely.
How did she do that to carole?
Ha! That is actually the best way to describe her interpersonal communication skills because with her, you will NEVER win. She catastrophes everything, she will not consider other people’s perspective as having merit unless it aligns with hers. She is cunning and passive-aggressive. She used to be funny and witty then went off the rails with negativity after Season 1. Her beef wit Carol stems from abandonment issues cause Carol had a lot going on Bethany felt her pulling away and then Carol was vacationing with Tinsley and the guys. Bethany felt slighted so she was determined to make Carols life hell. Narcissistics will make sure that they are the one who discards first. It’s subconscious.
@@sarazink2237 think you described her better than me lol
I always find it amazing that no matter what issues there are between Bethanny and the others, they all come to her when they are going through something and Bethanny offers support and comfort everytime!! Sadly when she is going through shit they all just criticize her and do not support her!!
Bethanny is a drama queen
@@TheDealvin and? Look at her philanthropic work? Which other housewife has done that?
She thrives on other peoples weakness, it makes her feel better about herself, nothing altruistic about it
THIS.
??? That’s just not factual. Bethenny is an emotional train wreck. Carole never ran back to her, Bethenny is strung-out and self-obsessed.
Here is my problem with Carole, every time she discusses Bethenny or what she’s done for Bethenny she ALWAYS throws money into it. I gave this amount to her charity, I gave her $300 worth of flowers, it’s just about how she thinks money equates her loyalty or her friendship and that’s not friendship. Bethenny is like I need you and Carole’s response is always “well I did this for you”, she has zero emotional attachment and I think Bethenny came to the realization of oh this is who you are, I didn’t know. Bethenny realized Carole wasn’t who she thought she was and slowly backed out of the relationship but Carole kept taking swipes at Bethenny like you are too needy but the fact was no honey you are just a cold hearted person and that’s not who Bethenny wants for a friend. Bethenny said Carole changed and I think the audience saw she didn’t change as much as she stopped pretending to be someone she wasn’t. She got tired of trying to pretend to be human and that’s fine but just don’t be nasty about it, just go away. I think the more Carole got called out the more vindictive she got. Bethenny pointing out that Adam’s motives weren’t good really pissed Carole off and that’s what opened the flood gates and then he dumped Carole and that made her even more bitter and the entire she just kept repeating oh this doesn’t bother me well honey clearly it bothered you.
It seems like Carole keeps score of input,gestures,time etc .Friendships not about that.
Nah. Its bc Bethany made assertions
@Mike M Nice spin~ akin to a BF move.
Bethany is most comfortable when she is throwing punches. . She has melt downs when they get thrown back.
Her biggest weakness is she thinks she has nothing but strengths.
@Mike Mmelt down might not be as accurate. Freak out.. blown her gasket probably more fitting.
lol. " execute " kind of says it all..
@Mike M nahh
Shes had many a freak out. W many a person. I think you need to rewatch. Also who :, pray tell , holds Bethsny accountable...certainly not Bethany .. Ramona and Kelly are child play anyone could outwit them. Bethany cant handle ppl " her own size " she freaked out on the reunion towards Carol for just one example.
She is wound as tight as a top.
Fun for about 5 mins then insufferable. She needs yrs of counseling.
There are a lot of ppl in the threads w similar takes on this as myself.. mi think its fairly obvious
Real talk, if you've watched the show from the first season, you'd know them women (especially old cast mates) are just jealous. They can't believe the broke chef from season 1, is richer and more relevant than they are. They've tried to get her kicked off the show and now they're just trying to band together and not work with her, that's it
This level of truth honestly sent a shock wave into the universe and had me fall out of my chair and onto the floor. Girrrlllll, SPEAK ON IT. SPEAK. ON. IT.
Na, I think it's because she is nasty.
@@adish7275 I agree. I love Bethenny but she scares me. Carole is like the coolest girl, super laid back, even slightly boring. How can you be mad at her?
@@nicolassundara9568 it's strange Bethenny's fans don't realize how nasty she is, I guess they are used to it. I find it hard to watch. In the real world she isn't normal, rich or not.
She’s a horrible person. She’s like the rest of them.
Everyone is team Bethany even Andy although he doesn't want say it
Vicki, you're right & that includes Andy :)
Did you not read the poll on who side ppl were on. Lol Ppl were on Carole side. 65% - 35%.
APRIL MCDUFFIE should have watched the rest of the polls not just the first one
Andy and Bethany both pos!
Bethenny has a sad history of family and friends who have treated her badly. She really needs that ride or die friend. I think she thought Carole was that person, but when it got too intense Carole bailed. Carole as much as said that herself. This isn't about Adam or charity or money. It's all about Bethenny feeling like her friend left her. Someone else left her. Bethenny is intense, but she's not complicated at all. She's quite clear about what her issues are and what she needs. If Carole can't oblige, then say that but don't go around bashing her.
Well said!
Very well said!
Thank you.
Very well said. I also think that Carole was just looking for a storyline as well.
Bethenny didn't want Carole to be close to anyone else but her. She started bashing Carole over Tinsley and that is not ok. If Bethenny wants friends she should learn how to treat people. Going thru hard times does not give her carte Blanche to be a witch
Team Bethenny. Carole’s coming off as a high schooler who’s rubbing it in that she’s the cool girl now. Bethenny is right, Carole has shifted in her attitude, and it reads on camera.
Carol has always been the cool girl, without trying, unlike Bethenny who thought she could class herself up by hanging out with Carol. Look at their histories. Bethenny's money will never buy her class. She is not a girls' girl. She tries at every chance she gets to mow the other girls down no matter what they do. If it isn't about Bethenny, she has a tantrum/meltdown.
I still find it shocking that Carole thinks she hasn't changed. You're right - her attitude has been off all season. Maybe since Adam split. She is very unaware of herself at this point and it's very unattractive.
Team Bethenny ❤️ drop mic
Definitely Bethenny! She’s not perfect, but she’s intelligent, honest, true to herself, strong, generous, and she’s not fake, plus she’s looking healthier and more beautiful than ever. Without her the show would be less interesting.
C.i m Yessss!
Frankel is a BULLY.
C.i m I totally agree!
Bethany!!!
@@b.f.3709 so is Carol and as well she is rude!
Bethenny 100%The other girls also made it worse they got involved way to much and got enjoyment from it Especially jealous Ramona.
I agree with you. This reunion is actually making me nauseous with the Bethany attacks and you can tell Andy is over it too.
I know. Ramona was salivating watching them go after Bethenny. It was nauseating how jealous of Bethenny she is. Gross. I can't believe she's 60 and behaving that way.
Bethenny is the only reason I watch RHONY. She is my favorite
Exactly!!
same. i stopped watching when she left after seaosn 11
Team Bethenny. Nothing more to say. :) Ramona just needs to STHU!
Definetly Bethannys! Carole was extremely different this season unlile Bethanny who was the same as she always has been.
People change though. Bethenny is too stuck in her ways.
@@hmacklemore2226 and the other dram queens are not? Ramona and Leanne and Sonia are a the exact same BS just a different season.
@@hmacklemore2226 With that logic better to stay stuck in your ways, than change to something worse like Carol did, or?
Carole seemed the only person who is a truly genuine person. She seems grounded, reasonable & wise & tries to work things through in a reasonable way. Bethenny tries to do that, but has low frustration tolerance, reacts, and becomes vicious when she doesn't "win".
I love that Bethenny's 100% successful on her own without a man!👍 Her success is not through marriage.
Team Bethenny! Carole has changed and has completely lost her compassion.
Jacquelyn Landry I agree 💯
The only thing Carole changed was her hair get outta here with your bullshit
Romona has the nerve to say Bethenny is difficult, that cracks me up! Carole is a mean girl! Team Bethenny all the way!
She is though...
Carlon Buckels They aren’t saying Bethenny isn’t difficult, they are saying Ramona has the nerve to say someone is difficult when she is the most difficult out of them all.
Hilarious it's all the simple-minded women that find Bethany difficult. It's amazing they want to pull their s*** and never get called on it well you're not going to be able to do that with Bethany around so of course they consider that difficult cuz they can't get away with their crap
Team Carole. Bethenny trying to gaslight Carole at the costume party decided the whole issue for me. Carole was great with the smoke signals response!
I feel like Bethenny is the kind of friend to dump all their trauma on you and it makes you feel exhausted after seeing them. I don't think she's aware of it either, but she's constantly negative. Even her jokes, regardless if they're about others or herself, are depracating. It can be a lot. I can see why maybe Carole needed a break or to set up boundaries to keep things light and I think that made Bethenny anxious and insecure about their relationship. She would throw jabs at Carole, like saying she only cares about selfies or whatever; and then cry when Carole would tell her she's wrong or not respond. It's like she sabotages her relationships without realizing that it's her behavior that pushes people away. They had that whole anxious/avoidant attachment style relationship going on.
Very true.
Omg I just realized Bethany Really is the Michael Jordan of RHW!!! He’s 100% correct!!!
Lol no
@@benniebeach1509 looks like tons of people disagreed with you. Enjoy.
Bethenny any day. Carole is so self entitled.
There is a shift in the relationship because Bethanney criticized Carole's ex-boyfriend and the friendship spiralled down fast from there. One thing I've learnt in life, is your friendship can be gone in a nano second the minute you criticize or make accusation about someone's partner thats always a sensitive subject even if you are right... end of!
They were already having trouble when she talked about Adam to C. C always acts like she is so cool. The whole attitude she had about dating Adam was insane. They were not living together they were just "shacking up". C is so stupid. She only wanted to date Adam to look cool because he was so much younger. He really wasn't that hot. She just wanted to look cool by dating a younger guy and not have to be real about a relationship because of his age. Then they were just friends with benefits but she said in one of her interviews that he better not date anyone one else or she would have nothing more to do with him. She also made a point out of letting everyone know he was trying to woo her back. Then there was the whole red scarf guy. She really made a fool out of herself saying he wasn't interested in B even though it was clear he came to the dating event to see B. Carol sucks!
TEAM BETHANY!!! Carole when you are a true friend you don't list everything you have done and money you have spent on national television!!!
I'm on Bethany's side with this one. I think that Carole needed a storyline and she is so cold.
Team Bethenny all the way. Carol seems whiny and petty this season and not so happy since her breakup with Adam.
Bethany is the kind of friend that makes your life hell
I don’t know why anyone bothers to even be around her.
These housewives saying unhappy about the crashing of the friendship of B and C... if i know they live for this kind of drama...
Especially Ramona she loves this especially if bethenney is involved with the drama...
Bethenney rules NY...
There was definitely a change in Carole throughout the seasons, she was really chill at the start and I liked her back then but she got really superficial and catty towards the end, it’s a shame. I feel like Bethenny has always been more genuine, she has dealt with an unreal amount of trauma and her philanthropic work is incredibly admirable.
...do you not remember Aviva? And her husband?
...kinda makes your opinion null and void.
Bethany can be dramatic but Carole is annoying to me
Bethenny's a head case and will only be happy when she alienates everyone from her including Brynn eventually! ;-)
I hate Carole! She’s so rude to Luann! I can’t stand her!
100% Bethenny. Jealousy, definitely got the best of Carole. Bethenny really was morning the loss, Carol was pissed about the whole Adam expecting money when asked to come film Puerto Rico. Carol was lying about Adam moving on and not being sad. Remember Carole, oh look Adam sent me tulips, trying to get her back. Carolel' s true colors showed this season. She is Not a good friend or person, watch put Tinsley have a baby and Carole is gone like the wind.
that is true but only because they ere all jealous of her
I started off being team Carole but by the end of the season I was team Bethenny. Carole was being really passive aggressive towards Bethany during that season and then played victim when Bethany threw jabs back
Let’s not forget the show has got edits and cuts, they show what they want to show
Bethenny is the queen of RHONY Team Bethenny forever
Forever!!
Finally carol stood her ground, good for her! No one needs a manipulative and controlling friend, that brings you down. B needs to continue with therapy.
Amen to that.
Bethenny's side!
Bethenny all the way. Carole drank Ramona and Dorinda's haterade.
Bethenny ALLL way!!! Since inception!!
Carol has always loathed The Countess and loved dating her chef knowing it ticked her off, Carol is the most petty of the group along with Ramona. What Carol did in all seasons was criticize Luann non-stop. She loved how Luann was arrested and she is the type of woman who constantly compares herself to others I think and she could never be a Countess or speak over 3 different languages like Luann she loved how Bethanny was irritated by Luann and I think fueled it which extended to the big blow out in the Bezerkshires. Bethany going through a hell of a divorce was worked up I think and Carol as her friend then just sat back and watched it all with popcorn. Carol never had anyone's back and she has displayed historically hating women and conniving to pin women against women, she hates Sonja for her free spirited non-chelan attitude and her sexiness. Well Carol latched on to Bethanny because she loved how Bethenny wasn't a fan of The Countess. She she is friends with Tinsley because it was her way out from Bethany, it just happened to be Tinsley and I think it's not an authentic friendship. Anyways team Bethany all the way she has always come across straight and not conniving or manipulative which is why people love her!
You are totally right...
You are absolutely right! Carole is a mean girl and she’s really not as cool and pretty as she thinks she is!!
As a viewer it seemed like Bethenny tried to mend the friendship a little more than Carol did. But who knows what actually happened behind the scenes. With both women making snarky comments to each other how can either one expect to fix the issues between them.
When did Carol make a snarky comment??
Karen Chin the last episode when she said she doesn’t crash and burn her relationships like some people- implying Bethenny. She was also nasty on her blog and twitter.
Truth
@@memyselfkarenmei1701 Carole spent the entire season making snarky comments about Bethenny, but then would deny there was a problem.
Because Carole was over it.
Bethenny hasn't changed Carole has!! I'm team Bethenny always!!
It had to be queen B obviously.
Team Bethenny! Yes, she’s loud, and in-your-face...but there is no BS involved! She doesn’t have time for it! Carol is opportunistic and a cling-on. She’s notable for being married to a Kennedy cousin; and then cashing in on their horrifically tragic deaths. Get a job. Get a life. Get relevant.
ChrisandAlli Tomlinson don’t forget she was on the battlefield of Afghanistan years ago lol.
Angie So were people who were actually fighting. Tens of thousands of them. You act like she’s some hero for going over as a journalist.
ChrisandAlli Tomlinson Carole was a reporter ,who then wrote books that were bestsellers,then went on for 6 seasons of a reality show,while writing articles in national magazines and also gets payed for advertisements and promotions.She is an accomplished busy woman. She supports herself well.She was also helping her friends. A book party for one friend (about chronic pain management)..........so mean.Then she had the gall to stay with a newly widowed friend. This is such bullshit.
Angie oh she will never let anyone forget that lol
Bethenny can be your best friend and be super generous just as long as it’s all about her. As long as it’s the Bethenny show things will be fine.
Yeah I mean you know Bethany is made all the charity work she has done all about her. All the charity work that none of her copart's have ever been apart of she's raised hundreds of millions of dollars for people in need wow she is so self-absorbed
@@candaceking1518 her charity work is amazing I never said it wasn’t but she does like the focus to be on her and what her company is doing and what her charity is doing and what tv program is doing. People fall out with her because they get sick of every day being about Bethenny.
@@evas9735 are you trying to tell me that Bethany more than any other woman on the show likes the spotlight on them and what they're doing?? Think about that for a minute
@@evas9735 you know it's funny that you say that because Bethany is a self-made woman maybe that's why she's more self-focused. Every Other Woman on that show married money. Everything Bethany is done is on her own and she's f****** amazing!! And the fact that she's willing to put charity work over herself enter image and being on television I find it really difficult to believe you say it's the Bethenny show alldayeveryday I just don't think you get it
@@candaceking1518 I think it’s great how much you love Bethenny. That is all.
Bethenny all the way
Seeing this friendship fall apart made me sad
Team Bethenny baby. Carole has been real icy towards her.
Team Bethenny! Carole claims she's confused why their friendship fell apart but she's said it throughout the season that now it's not all about B- thats the reason among others she's put out there. Its clear she enjoyed the superficiality of her relationship with Tinsley. She wanted to be the Queen B and hated B calling out Adam as an operator. Gurl bye!
I know Carole. Married my family. Snake 🐍
Team B!! 😂👑
Everybody is on team Bethenny especially after seeing how Carole behaved during this year's trip... Carole used to be my favorite but I'm glad she's off the show now. She was despicable this season.
not true at all
Ramona is the most difficult person I've ever seen in my life. I don't think b is difficult. She's straight forward on how she feels. Carole though is extremely passive aggressive
Team Carol!!!!!!!! Carol is a class act!!! Yes Bethany is successful, but in the word of The Countess, “Money can’t buy you class”
Bethenny all the way. Carole went over to the dark side! Gross.
Bethany side for sure.
That must be strong crack your smoking
Bethenny 100%
Team Bethenny I can't stand Carole
Bethenny. I am a lot like her. When I feel a shift, I will analyze it, pull away, analyze it.. put my guard up to figure out what is going on.. I do push people away because of a trust thing. I try not to but when I feel something is off, I do that at times.
she didn't trash a friendship. The people trashed her, she put her wall up until she figures things out.
I'm really sad they aren't friends anymore and from how nasty it's been on social media it doesn't look like it will ever be repairable. But I gotta say after watching the whole season even when I could see where Carole was coming from at the end of the day based on what the audience was shown there was a shift in their friendship and everytime Bethenny asked Carole what happened and why she was mad at her all Carole did was shake her head and say "oh I don't know. We're both just doing different things. It's not a big deal." Bethenny genuinely looked very hurt and upset by the demise of their friendship and Carole just looked like she couldn't be bothered. If you're upset with someone and they ask you why and you refuse to tell them what the root of the issue is then that's not a "we" problem that's a "you" problem. And based on Carole's inability to really articulate why she was so pissed at Bethenny it definitely looks like a "her" problem.
You summed it up perfectly
Loved Carole and Bethenney as best friends, because they were my faves...then Carole screwed B over and now I am firmly Team Bethenney. Carole is not as real as B.
Team B
Bethenny only because i dont think she is the one who has changed.
B forever and always!!
Seeing Kyle talking about her friendship with Bethenny really makes me wish there was a cross-over season.
Kyle is so superficial, she's not able to have a meaningful relationship, perfect for Bethany
Didn't you see the episode where the RHOBH girls stayed with Bethenny, Erika's first season? B tore her apart. Was great. lol
Bethenny because Carol was mean girl-ish...but I would just love them to talk it out and come to a resolution because it got ugly for no reason and I liked Carol in every other season.
I like Bethenny but I definitely couldn't be friends with her. Bethenny seems like she's very much into what she is doing and that it is, either get with it or leave. But I also probably couldn't be friends with Carole either. But I will say the way Bethenny treated Sonja this season was great. More focus should be placed on whatever the f Dorinda was on this season lol.
Just as I wrote that she calls Sonja out for not donating. Why even share that how is it even relevant? Just thank those who did donate, don't call anyone out.
bethenny is best on show
I LOVE Bethenny. She’s very entertaining and very brainy/witty. However, I do think she can be difficult in person because she has a very strong personality. BUT... with that said, I also think that Bethenny was just going through ALOT when Tinsley came along (her businesses, charities, daughter, moving, ongoing custody battle, etc). All this made Bethenny “heavier” to be around with. Things intensified. I think this is what Carole meant with “there’s a whole lot of Bethenny and not alot of me”. Because of Bethenny’s personal issues, it created a shift in their relationship... and Tinsley was the substitute. And of course Tinsley meeting her boyfriend through Carole, they became closer naturally.
I think you nailed it
If you're her friend don't you at least tell her why you're ghosting? And isn't it part of friendships to ebb and flow but still remain friends? You don't bale when you know your friend needs you. If you're feeling a certain way, you communicate those feelings and balance the relationship.
i feel the same
Carole just isn’t as deep as B. You nailed it...Tinsley isn’t exactly super intellectual, she has kind of a superficial life...more Carole’s speed.
damn671 if any of that were true then why do both Carole and Tinsley say they aren’t close friends, so are they lying because they’ve both been on WWHL and they both said oh we hang out occasionally
but we aren’t close, so which is it? Carole ghosted Bethenny and Bethenny saw she was running around with Tinsley so she backed off and then Carole turned around and said you never call me. Carole can’t have it both ways but most of all she can’t just have it her way. She neglected a friendship and then blamed the person she neglected.
Bethany💯% Sending her my love & condolences
Bethenny all day
Team Bethenny. Bethenny is real. Carole "is not that deep!" Lol
I’m loyal to Bethany she had my respect first .. I really liked Carole but this situation has put me off her a little .. there’s two sides to every story and both have their feelings but if it was my choice .. I’d have Bethany as a friend as she is always straight and although it can be harsh n dent you at least she is always truthful and calls it like it is .. a spades a spade n what you see Ia what you get with Bethany so I’d take that any day .. TEAM BEE
Team Bethany...you go Sonja ur hella crazy but ur a good friend! And I feel like you're the only real one
Lexcee Kent I love Sonja and feel she’s not given due credit for her handling of her true struggles. She’s not a diva like some of these women and neither is Bethenny.
Bethenny is my fav, Carol got very mean and judgmental this season.
Team B for sure!
Totally Team Carole. Bethenny is a total narcissist and needs to be all about her all the time.
Bravo Andy and Bethany are behind the firing of Carole. And, I used to love Bethany.
TEAM B!!! It seemed like Ramona really got off on causing drama with Bethenny. She was always really excited when someone was mad at Bethenny. On the reunion everyone kept saying Bethennywas a bully but they all just came off as the ones who were bullies
Team Bethenny!
I'm team Bethany 🙌🏽
All the way Bethany....
Team Bethenny all the way. It still bothers me how Carole acted
Team bethanny all the way!
Carole is the one who talked about Bethenny all the time
Not only that if Carole wants to act all smart then she needs to admit that Adam was using her to gain notoriety.
So you really think that Carole owes us an explanation about her personal life? Even if that was true about Adam, doesn't she keep her dignity by keeping that to herself?
Cat S. She chose to be on reality television. Does she have a different standard?
The problem is, Carol's relationship wasnt private. She had it plastered everywhere. Does she have to admit Adam was a mistake? She doesn't have to. It's a matter of public record now. She publicly destroyed a friendship over a kid who didnt show her the loyalty Bethany did. A dignified way of handling yourself would be to mend your friendship, remember that you said yourself it was a dead end street and should just be some fun and dust yourself off and move on... instead of throwing grenades at your bestie while defending the immature kid. All season she spoke about bethany and the situation but only addressed the actual cause one time on camera and the rest if the time she refused to be honest about it and transparent cuz she knew shed look stupid saying it's over a disloyal kid. Hes not evil. Hes an immature kid. And she said up front this will go nowhere, it's for fun and ends up losing a friendship over a kid who dumped her anyway.
@@bangeryun94, I don't agree that she owes viewers that level of personal sharing. They didn't get that personal about the relationship when it was good- we just saw them together. I like that she is more controlled, but I guess it could come across as not so transparent.
@cassl14 apparently it was about him going to photograph the aid B was doing but he wanted a fee for his services...or something around those lines
Team Bethany wins! She is GREAT!
If you're on her team... shouldn't you get her name right? 🤔
I do believe Bethenny has been aggressive the past 2 yrs
Always Team Bethenny! She’s always right, even when she’s wrong! Lol
I totally agree, you must be brill
Are you serious? Bethany stans are psychotic, holy shit. Confirmed. You people are scary and crazy.
Absolutely!
Bethenny, though rich and successful, is relatable and real. Carole is an elitist.
according to the editing an what is shown
Totes Bethenny! I adore her wit!
Dorinda thats not right you said that...Bethenny was a good friend too!!!
Shes telling it like ot really is
I see Bethenny as a perfectionist in everything and once she feels betrayed she looks at the person differently and they can never really go back to the relationship the way it was because she has lost trust and now they don’t measure up.
Most friendships survive because one or both of them overlook those times they feel the other didn’t treat them the best or appreciate them. Bethenny has a hard time overlooking those things because they feel intentional whether they are or not.
Also, I think Bethenny is very busy with her businesses and I imagine it feels like she goes MIA to her friends. So, while she has a hard time overlooking their dismissive behavior she doesn’t see where she could have been dismissive because I don’t think she sees herself as intentionally doing anything wrong.
I disagree that it has anything to do with her perfectionism. Bethenny has no real, honest-to-God friendships that aren’t either business related or acquaintance-level relationships. Who does she confide in? Her paid staff. Who does she rely on for emotional support? Her paid staff. No that she is in a relationship with a guy that seems to be able to stand up to her and have his own boundaries, I think she has *that one person* now. We know she doesn’t take the women from RHONY seriously as friends, she sees them as pawns.
She is a big baby and gets her feelings hurt when her acquaintances/minions (Carole) have other plans with *actual* friends they have and don’t wish to mix Bethenny in with. I get that Bethenny is a busy business woman, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is bound to her schedule and to socialise when *she* can manage to squeeze it in.
Bethany for sure ! The rest of these gals are just jealous period.
Carole is that friend that once you stop talking she talks about all the things she did for you
Journalistic snake she is
Can’t stand her
@@emm352 Yawn. Girl, bye
But... bethenny did that all season long calling her a 'house guest'
@@meeramoran7196 Bethenny is the real snake. She broke off her friendship with Carole because she wouldn't introduce Bethenny to a grieving widow, whose husband was a powerful Hollywood executive. Bethenny will literally throw a child under a bus for a paycheck and fame
Team Bethenny all the way!! ❤️
I’m with Carol on this one. The problem began with Carol and Tinsley becoming friends and Bethany’s jealousy took over.
Team Carol- I like Bethenny but it seems she was being and can be a little too needy as a friend. She likes people to always support her and if a friend says I need some space right now a true friend should respect that.
Catherine Joyner That is true, a true friend would respect that and I think Bethenny would have too. Carole never really gave that to her. When asked Carole would say nothings changed, and things were fine. Clearly they weren't and she had already left the relationship but didn't let Bethenny know.
A true friend is there for you no matter how intense it gets.
team bethenny! and lets face it bethenny makes the show. carole should go....
My heart goes out to Bethenny. She has gone through hell and back...no one seems to be on her side except for Sonja...go Sonja :)
you need a brain transplant
Literally every single person asked said Team Bethenny
You mess with the B you get the horns ❇️ team Bethenny 100% ✌️🏻❤️🤗
What Bethany says if you're going to mess with this B you better not miss!! Everyone that's ever tried to mess with her has missed
“Everything I say is always true” - Bethenny.
Truth is subjective to the person.
Truth and fact are separate.
Bethenny asserts her truth as fact.
For this she thinks she’s always right.
Communication isn’t effective with someone who always thinks they’re right.
I can see why Carole would distance herself from the toxicity Bethenny creates in the friendship through this mindset.
I think Carole could have been more succinct about it by simply saying “How you’re behaving doesn’t make me like you or want to pursue something deeper with you”.
No more explanation. Let a baby cry. Let a dog bark.
And Bethenny had a lot to say about Carole this season. Her saying she didn’t talk about her that much may be true to her, but it isn’t a fact.
Very well said & All facts, great read!
I’m a year late but this is one of the only sensible comments on this entire thread
Honestly what she did say was fact like she always had Receipts so..........