Wednesday is written like a teenage girl's edgy dark self-insert OC. She's goth, broody and dismissive to everyone but get showered with praise - not that she needs it. Attractive boys save her life and then fall in love with her. She has the most stereotypical bad parents archetype, who Wednesday then mouths off to without any repercussions. There's no growth or character to it.
That’s not completely true. First of all it’s is confirmed by the actors in interviews (they are quiet east to find) that Tyler only used Wednesday. And her parents aren’t bad parents it seems and it is clear when Wednesday gets them out if prison that she actually cares for them. It seems much more like she just feels her parents are bounding her true potential and that she would do much better on her own which is common in teenagers. Because they aren’t sure how to express their maturity yet but still feel like they could take control even tho they still need some help. And she isn’t showers by praises, it’s quiet the contrary and people are quiet mean to her specially at the start. And she is often called out for her flaws by multiple people. And she dose grow which is shown by her and Enid hugging which shows that 1, she have learned how to show affection and appreciation. 2, she have grown some more understanding on others emotions. And 3, she’s starting to get comfortable in this new environment and is going out of her comfort zone. That is a lot of change but I do see why some wouldn’t understand that because sometimes it’s hard to see things change when it’s a very subtle change that is shown by a hug. Because, specially in more main stream films or series, they usually go through this huge amount of change but I see this approach more realistic, and it’s great if they want to do a season 2.
Showered with praise? I'm pretty sure she ticked everyone that came close to her, e.g. Weems, Sinclair, Thorpe, you name it. And her parents aren't even bad. In fact, their good parents and Wednesday was simply feeling rebellious at such age.
Lol yeah, it was definitely the fault of the writers not respecting the source material and pulling some shitty cash grab stunt, not her trying to do her best with a garbage script.
I think Enid liking Wednesday kinda made sense because Enid was the type to like everyone (she even started getting along with the bully character at the dance, and quickly befriended a sentient hand) but I agree that everyone else would've 100% found Wednesday insufferable to be around
I also think it makes sense for Xavier cuase you notice Wensdays attitude is similar to the Siren he breaks up with. So he clearly likes women with a level of attitude. Tyler didn't like her though he was pretending so he could use her for the summoning thing.
We’ll of course she’s in sufferable because like she’s soooooo done with with people 💅 like that’s me.. because I’m done with people and she’s done with people.. she’s a mooood.
I think It makes sense because they’re on opposite sides of this aesthetic spectrum, they have more In common than you’d think because of It. Both will have dealt with comments on the things they like, both like to dress and act a way “outside the norm” (no matter how much the show suggests otherwise, Enid’s sunshine personality and style is not “normal”. She’s also someone who likes things that are ‘alternative’ because she’s so extreme on the girliness.) they both can bond easier because they’ve had the same feelings but for different things.
Not sure why modern writers insist on having Wednesday and Morticia argue all the time when the whole point of the Addams family is that they’re an actually happy, loving, and supportive family, but it makes me want to go back and rewatch The Addams Family and Addams Family Values again.
The point is that as bizarre and twisted as they are they're just as loving as any sitcom family and rejecting the path you feel your parent have pushed on you is a common aspect there even when invalid, cause they actually just want what's best for you (awww) literally the point
I don't mind Wednesday and Morticia not being close due to some sort of natural point where they were beginning to grow apart, but Morticia does absolutely NOTHING to warrant Wednesday's verbal abuse.
My biggest issue was basically the point you made. Wednesday is a malcontent, she hates it at her normie school then her parents move her to a perfect school for her and she hates it all because her parents went there and liked it (great reason?). The headmistress and roommate are fine with accommodating her (even allowing her to have a special all black uniform... like, they literally act like she's royalty and make an exception to dresscode for her like she's in a wattpad fanfic) and the whole time she insults everyone and complains. WHAT DO YOU WANT, WEDNESDAY? What would satisfy you and be good enough? Even Daria had limits to who she'd be snarky and judgey toward and got called out on it. In this show she just gets fawned over for being smug and unpleasant to be around.
I’m All for making accommodations for Wednesday with her all-black thing, but the Wattpad fanfic levels of being fawned over while the character just insults everyone is just…. Please no please no.
@@MysRyuza It would be one thing if the characters at Nevermore greeted Wednesday with backhanded comments or snobbishness and she was roasting them back, but almost every single person she meets at Nevermore would've had nothing against her and came off accepting and welcoming. When Wednesday belittles them for their interests or calls them shallow she looks like the judgmental, snobbish person. I feel like the writers loved the Christina Ricci deadpan quips, but didn't realize that insulting characters who didn't deserve it came off as pretentious and mean not "OMG she's sarcastic queen!" Cause no one likes meeting someone who instantly writes you off as basic and dumb when you've literally only talked for a minute.
That is meant to be one of her flaws though right? The show calls her out for treating people badly and her animosity towards her parents shows her immaturity. It's hard to judge a character at the start when they're meant to go on a few character arcs as the series goes on - they'd be stuck otherwise.
I honestly wish it was Puglsey and Wednesday. They are the dynamic duo, it’s not just Wednesday, Pugsley is there too. Their close sibling relationship and the way they have fun, they balance each other out.
They made her attitude insufferable for no reason, Wednesday is a very smart character- but being clever alone isn't enough to be considered charming. I also thought the show trying to be "relevant" with current things/allegories of actual social commentaries was bleh.
Think you missed the point Wednesday is supposed to be socially awkward and say “socialy comentary thing” that is correct but she expresss it in the wrong way which is who the response often is “okay…?”
I'm imaging if they redid some lines to be more in line with her character, "I have no interest in becoming captain of the fencing team unless I can make their lives miserable." Or "I have no interest in a personal device, torture loses its appeal when viewed through a screen."
yeah when I heard the line about how it's a soul sucking torture devise I straight uttered why the fuck don't you like it then not drawn out enough? too slow? too impersonal? do you favor the blade and pirahana are you on a bond villian kick? this is basic stuff for wednesday
I binged it when I was sick in bed, I thought it was okay. You’re 100% right about Wednesday’s character, I found her super annoying and I was so confused on why everyone likes her. Like Enid, Xavier and Tyler all generally like her for most of the show and it’s like, why tho? Especially Xavier, at the end he even gets her a gift and it’s like, really bruh? I liked the Siren girl, even if her side plot with her mom was kinda pointless. And yea, her being so confidently wrong about the culprits was really annoying, yet hilarious cause the whole time I was just like “…you’re not a very good detective are you?”
i have a feeling the siren girl’s side plot will probably be involved with season 2 if that ever comes out or is would likely to be a plot device to redeem her character (idk the siren’s pronouns so correct me if im wrong)
I think people might like her for 2 reasons. One is that they relate to her more dark and rebellious side. After all it’s a common thing teens go through because they want to express themselves but aren’t sure how and feel like adults are bringing them down. And an other reason why people might like her (we’re I do fit in) is that Wednesday is very autism coated. After all Tim Burton (from what I understand) is autistic and from interviews I read (cus I do that when I find something I’m interested in) Tim Burton often makes characters he writes or direct like him. And it’s easy to see some other characters he’s directed and written that could fit into the autistic spectrum too. And it’s things like not understanding others emotions, social cues, sounding and looking completely bored all the time (tho I never mean it. It is just my default), being socialy awkward, not knowing how to express your own emotions and a tendency to be over fixated on things that make me relate a little to Wednesday even tho I am not that rebellious or sarcastic. It’s a little of a comfort. Then on why Enid, Xavier and Tyler like her. Well Enid (which I also relate to cus honestly a lot of the “outcasts” can be seen as autistic) seems like the type of person who just is very optimistic, positive and tries to be friends whit everyone, that’s why she’s so frustrated that it doesn’t work whit Wednesday. And Xavier it’s a more philosophical thing. Obviously he has put Wednesday on a pedestal after saving him and he just doesn’t want to acknowledge the fact she’s kinda a jerk cus he thinks of her so highly. And whit Tyler it seems kinda implied at the end that he never really liked Wednesday at all and just used her. But we probably won’t know that until like season two. And yes her falsely accusing people is annoying I do agree but it is not just this series problem but a lot of mystery movies/series dose this and it’s called a red herring which is someone they want the audience think is the culprit cus otherwise the mystery won’t be good. Some can do it pretty gracefully but it can be hard sometimes. But at the same time if they didn’t have the fake outs it wouldn’t be as good if a story and would probably be worse. (Sorry that this is so long. Like I said when I’m interested in something (or some topic) I go a little overboard… sorry) (Edit) Continuations on what I said cus I found new info, it’s confirmed in interviews whit the actors that Tyler never truly liked Wednesday and hated her and her family for what happened to his mother.
@@twinshiftyt The thing about the Xavier being the red herring was it was WAY too obvious that he was the red herring. Literally in the scene when Wednesday finds out that the Hyde is human, Xavier pops up next to her and I was like “NOPE, it’s not you, it’s probably Tyler” and as the show kept hammering it in it only made me more sure. It didn’t help that Tyler as a character was pretty bland, even his reveal didn’t make him more interesting to me, but idk, maybe others felt differently. Back to Xavier, I really hope he doesn’t get with Wednesday in season 2. With her constantly ignoring, insulting and only going to him when she needs something, it just doesn’t feel right. The love triangle in general was weird. I figured that Wednesday might be Aro/Ace, would be nice to get some queer rep, especially with some of the themes of the show that could be seen through a queer lens. “Outcasts having a safe place where they can be themselves”, Enid’s mom literally trying to send her to conversion camp. Feels like a missed opportunity. I wish more writers would actually go for this stuff instead of just having subtext and hints, this goes for all representation. Damn, kinda went on a tangent there 😅😅 As for Wednesday herself, I get why audience might like and relate to her, I think she’s got some funny lines here and there, but as a whole I didn’t like her character that much.
Personally my biggest problem was the worldbuilding. I never once felt like the rules of the world the series takes place in were established and random things just kept happening for no reason.
that and they really just didn't explore the different types of creatures in this world or their powers like xavier can bring all his drawings to life they could have done so more with that then make him the ''loverboy with issues''
What some people don't understand, is that the Addams are a perfect family. There is just so much love and understanding going on. So much support and love. Heck, Gomez invites a man who just says he's his brother into their family. Just by word of mouth.
And far too many people try to excuse this criticism with "but she's a teenager!" When that doesn't even make sense. The whole point of The Addams is that their normal is our oddities―Wednesday wouldn't act like a normal, common teenager. Full of rebellion and attitude. Sure, in the older versions, I guess you could say she did have a certain rebellion to her. It's what my older brother mentioned as well when I was in a discussion with him about this show. But he made a good point that it was never the typical "I don't wanna be like my mom/fuck my parents" type of rebellion, but more of the "I'm simply doing my own thing" type all the while still remaining respect and subtle idolization for her parents. (He said it in a much better way than I could remember, however). And don't even get me started on how they characterized Pugsley. I expected Pugsley to grin after being thrown into the locker and take the bullying as an invitation of friendship, or would criticize the bullies on their "craft." But nope. He came out of that locker shaking in his boots and in need of Wednesday's protection. That last part isn't really related to what you said, but I just started rambling a bit because I can't stand this show. I hate to sound aggressive, I really do, but I grew up on the Addams Family and cherished them for years. My grandfather and I watched the original black and white Addams Family show, then the Family Values movies so many times together, then I eventually lost him. So The Addams became all the more special to me. But this show? This show felt like a spit in the face. But unlike me, my grandpa would've just laughed at it and found humour in that feeling. (And honestly? I should learn to take his example. It's just tough to). This show isn't Wednesday, her emotions, dynamic and adventures to me. It's more like a YA novel with the main character being an edgy self-insert OC who's not-so-subtly based on Wednesday Addams. It took all my willpower to make it through the show.
I hated how this was basically a Harry Potter/x men type of story. The whole point of the addams family is thah they are a odd type of family trying to live peceafully in america, but this show just said "nah, let's just put her in a School for unique people".
I used to have the same opinion but changed my mind on the school thing. Wednesday may have found some enjoyment at the school, but even at a school for outcasts (I hate how it's framed that way and have a problem with that) she sticks out. The rest of the kids really are just kids and while there's some 'cultural' differences the attitudes are pretty much the same as her old schools. That being said, I do have several other complaints about the show overall.
well this show is focused on WEDNESDAY. so it kinda makes sense to focuse on a school setting and that life... the family themselves got little screen time cuz this show is wednesdays time to shine. i liked that. tho i do wish for more interaction with her fam members.
The still the core purpose are you forgetting the main villian was a normie that hated people for being different? If your gonna have criticism make it have sense.
Your theory of this being an unrelated to Adams family project being forced into being one by Netflix makes a lot of sense, because there's exactly what the Netflix series of Resident Evil felt like
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 very very bad, and they announced it right after they announced the welcome to raccoon city movie, so it matches with this theory of Netflix taking famous properties and slapping them in random unrelated scripts
It definitely has its issues but for me it scratched that “fantasy academy mystery with silly characters” story itch, although I wish they made it feel more like an academy setting after the first few episodes, like showing them going to class still. The forced romance across the board was definitely my least favorite part and made me feel physically ill lmao
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584it’s usually a big problem I have with fantasy academy media, despite it being one of my favorite settings. I want to see these kids in fun classes! I want to see them in combat training, or making potions, or taming beasts, or even sneaking out of a regular class like math or something. It’s a perfect opportunity to explore character dynamics and fun friendships. I think Harry Potter and the Owl House did that a little better, but I rarely see it being used as a setting consistently throughout the show, except maybe Little Witch Academia. RWBY’s handling of it as a setting made me start writing my own fantasy academy story, with blackjack and hookers!
yeah, hopefully they listen to the issues people have with it (CGI, pacing, story, etc…), and turn season 2 into something amazing, as the show has amazing potential
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 They attended botany twice I think, once at the start and once when Wednesday noticed Xavier's cut, and Fencing had an instructor at least, but I don't think that was a class.
I feel like it've been so easy to make Wednesday going to a school for monsters/magical people make sense by making Addams family a known magical family, especially if it was like the 90's movies where the Addams seem to be basically immortal, as in they survive everything, and one of their ancestors was burned for being a witch and Morticia studied hexes in college. Wednesday could be coming into her powers so she is enrolled in Nevermore and is considered to be a late bloomer making her want to prove herself. Also when hearing about her Father possibly being a murderer her response should've been "Well it was my mother that dealt the final blow, they tell the story all the time, it was their first kill as a couple and they say it was how they knew they were meant for each other."
Yes! I always felt that the Addams would never really take something like a murder rap to heart. So when it came up I was like, 'wait Wednesday didn't know??"
I mean they are? The Addams seem to be deeply connected to the school, it being formed by nightshades. I feel like that story they wouldn't reminisce on especially cause Gomez be crazy jealous, even if she wasn't into dude, just left it in the past
It was so off character for Wednesday to be shocked that her mother killed a guy in self defense - Wednesday regularly prides herself with harming people and being into the markabre, so why is she upset at her mother?????
I would love to see a high school show were the goth kids are the most popular students and the jocks are constantly shiton for still thinking they're weird
Yeah, but then Wedensday would not be super duper mega extra special. I honestly hoped for this kind of show, since it looked like Never more could be this type of school, but no, it is just generic school straight from school power fantasies, just with magical people.
that would be more realistic atleast for me i always wear black rarely any other colour and no one but my friends cares and that only because we had a inside joke of me looking like i was going to rob a house at all times all the ''jocks'' at the schools i went to we're fairly well respected and liked because of they joked a lot and are out going but everyone also agreed they were lowkey bad influences you shouldn't hang out with too much, have too much of a ego and are just really obnoxious the older people became the less of the good things i mentioned keeps happening while more of the bad things i mentioned kept happening all the ''jocks'' at much school got daily shit talked and shade thrown their way
THANK YOU! I'm a huge Adams Family fan and I thought I was going crazy like are people watching the same show I am? I'm even more mad because the OG pitch was a professional version of the Adult Wednesday UA-cam shorts (which is why they were cancelled) but instead we got soft goth Harry Potter with the Adams Family IP slapped on popularized by a TikTok dance.
Wednesday's telemetry glimpses don't even matter since she could just ask her brother what happened, every other time she could ask someone around or figured it out based on intuition. The outcasts, even though they're supposed to be, y'know, outcasts have very forgettable characteristics and are kinda generic. Overall, a big problem I see is the lack of theme, the directors summed up the Addams Family as goth and eccentric but carelessly dropped more important elements like their dynamic and how the people around them are represented, very ungood
She could have asked her brother what happened she literally did that and he wouldn't tell her did you not watch the first episode they literally show that
She literally asks him “what happened?” And he didn’t give her an answer. Nore would I say the outcasts have generic characteristics nore personalities but this is through the eyes of someone who’s been an outcasts sense 3rd grade cus I am neurodivergent and homosexual. And a lot of these characters are like real outcasts. I mean for example Wednesday, Eugene and Enid seem very neurodivergent from the experience I’ve had, friends had and family had in their life. And I can tell you that these outcasts really are outcasts and even if it might not be clear traits it’s clear by how people treat them. I think their characteristics and not generic at all and quiet the contrary because most of that kind of representation are very, very wrong. Like the film music by Sia
More like, someone’s idea of goth, after being told of it for five minutes by someone who wasn’t there but read about it in a cheap magazine many years later.
Ironically, it makes the show feel even more disconnected from reality. Let fiction be fiction without having to add in tons of pop culture or meta references in hopes that ppl will be like ‘omg they said the thing!!!’
I'm PISSED they sidelined my boy Eugene, the bug boy. I'm a bug boy myself, and I absolutely fell in love with his goofy personality and was so excited when Wensday and him became friends. I hoped that Eugene woulda mellowed out Miss. Perfect and brought her back to the real world by being more knowledgeable about bugs- specifically bees- than her. It woulda been so cool but they just HAD to EXPLODE HIM
For real, I'm not even an insect enthuasist, but he is easily one of the best characters in this show. I hated how Wednesday treated him, and when the ball episode came up, I was screaming in agony at how she wouldn't go to the dance with him! Like, the opportunity to subvert tired TV tropes and audience expectations was RIGHT THERE! Just goes to show how much more dedicated Eugene's character was to actually sole any mysteries than Wednesday 😩 At least she felt guilty for what happened to him afterwards, but... UGH! So much wasted potential.
I’m glad to finally found someone who isn’t foaming from the mouth with adoration for the show, I was excited to watch it but I’m glad I didn’t cuz I would’ve been upset and never finished it
@@Orowam I mean regardless of if you've seen it or not, it's still very easy to see that the writing and other things in this show is objectively bad at times. I haven't watched it, but my dad has, yet we both came to the general consensus that it could def do better 🤷♀
@@rogerforsman5064 I said it was bad *at times*, not completely bad. I’m emphasizing that point because ofc it’s not fair to say the whole thing is bad if I haven’t watched the whole thing, but it’s still super easy to tell based on limited information that certain parts of it felt out of character or the writing felt off at times. I don’t think the entire show was “bad” in fact I don’t really have an opinion on the entire show. But when it comes to individual things about the show (especially characters) it’s very easy to tell some things stood out more positively or negatively than others 🤷🏾♀️
@@Orowam I was excited for the show and honestly forgot when it premiered, I saw some reviews but then they pointed out some inconsistencies and it turned me out because I don’t wanna be burned by another show that seemed cool. I also hate the whole your special so you deserve to go to a special school plus why leave the bullied brother by himself
one of the most upsetting things about it for me was how Jenny Ortega started being treated because of it. People don't see her as an actual person anymore, they see her as a character, Specifically Wednesday. Ive seen a bunch of people find old videos of Jenna doing musicallys as a kid, and of course she was being 'cringey' she was a kid. But people will caption it with stuff like "naww that's not Wednesday, it's Thursday 💀" no. that's Jenny Ortega, an actual person who has a life outside of this show. people need to start remembering that.
Seriously though. It’s real. I see this so often, it’s getting annoying as someone that’s watched her since stuck in th e middle Harley Diaz days and voice acting as well- like just Call her Jenna and don’t joke around w days of the week and wednesday like just why-
There are fans who simply can't see the separation. When Eugene turned on the group in, The Walking Dead, the actor playing the roll started getting death threats.
@@viktoryc the first season was mid. Not that good. But to scared to just be BAD. Season 2 and onward are so bad and crazy that it wraps around to being enjoyable. Like The Room.
I hate this show. I didn't care for the bad characterization. Wednesday resenting Morticia felt so out of character. The Addams are supposed to always get along dispite being creepy. That's the joke. I get that it's an adaptation and I didn't expect it to be exactly like previous instalments but that's the one thing you don't mess with. I dislike how Wednesday went from deadpan to rude. There's a difference. Wednesday threatening Thing felt so wrong. She would never do that. I also dislike that the Addams are aware they are weird. They are supposed to be oblivious to the fact that they are weird. On its own it's meh but it's not the Addams Family.
The only thing this show taught me is that the critics and studios work together to prop this series up as the next best thing. Also you know a character that also didn't fit in with the crowd and sarcastically mocked their trends but wasn't an insufferable buzzkill? Daria!
Her treatment of Xavier is stunningly horrible, yet Xavier is a glutton for punishment. Its also hilarious that a dna test clears xavier as the hyde yet the 'witty' Wednesday is adamant Xavier is the hyde. The writers and wednesday herself seem to have forgotten this for some reason.
@Johnny Rocket she already had proof it wasn’t him…then still framed him, she clearly just didn’t like him very much. He shouldn’t have bought her the phone at the end and shouldn’t even be her friend
@Johnny Rocket very true, even in terms of the fandom, most girls (on Twitter especially) don’t like Xavier, and still root for Tyler despite him being the monster. They see Xavier as pathetic, and use the term “loser” and “weird” when referring to him, and giving Tyler so many excuses. At least he did have some boundaries with her when he was in jail and she was STILL trying to use him, Xavier deserves better. He was also getting manipulated by Bianca in their past relationship, so he really should end up alone. Not in a sad way though like in the dance episode, but in a powerful, independent, and self-respecting way. Most guys in society should learn that, don’t bend over backwards for girls that don’t actually like you, use your critical thinking skills and see that you deserve better. It reminds me of the show High School Musical: The Musical: The Series season 1 and 3, the character EJ Caswell was seen as the villain just because he’s a popular jock, but he’s genuinely a much better person than the skater boy main character Ricky Bowen, who tried to home-wreck on EJ’s relationship twice…yet everyone (the fans and people in the show) villainize EJ, as they victimize and excuse Ricky. EJ did all these nice things for his girlfriends, but that’s not enough. The girls find any excuse to break up with him, so they can justify being with Ricky…it’s so biased. EJ had to be single and get character development (that no one noticed). At least Xavier got a sorta good ending in season 1, but it was only after Tyler wasn’t an option anymore. Wednesday should’ve been better than girls in modern society, I have a feeling she’ll still end up with Tyler ultimately. They’ll just excuse his behavior by saying he was manipulated/groomed to act like the Hyde, while Xavier will end up alone
i liked the show but i did feel like it was very tonally confused. the setting and plot was wrong for wednesday as a character, it felt like they wanted to make a show about a mystery unfolding at a school for monster kids but they also wanted to make a show about a snarky deadpan wednesday addams and they just kinda mashed them together into one thing
It reminds me of the comic Gunnerkrigg Court which is about a snarky deadpan girl going to a magical school to solve a mystery except the writing in that is good and the characters are likeable and fun.
Then just could've make the show a slice of life where wacky stuff just happens maybe growth here and there but still bigger isn't always better simplicity feels more heartwarming imo
I feel like the opening would make more sense if the bullies didn't know Pugsley was Wednesday's brother, so when they see her coming, they immediately swim away (besides the leader) because they don't know what they did and don't want to find out. The main bully is confused and pauses before turning back, which is why he is the only one still in the pool by the time the piranhas catch up. It would also tell the audience that everyone moving away is warranted by the fact that she has some negative history at the school
In summary Wednesday is an edgy perfect goth queen who preaches about her greatness and showing how much better she is than anyone while having a cool seeing powers for no reason with two salt water simps that will come at her beckoning. Yeah the writing and series was bad, but I don’t think it was made for me lol
I actually agree with alot of your points on this one, i like how you called out how obnoxious wednesday really is bc it is insufferable, even if it served to make her develop towards the end. I think the acting and direction really did carry this one for me, bc it did keep me engaged and wanting to watch more until the end. Also, why did the show frame bianca so villainously when im pretty sure shes one of the most morally sound characters (literally has mind control and deliberately struggles to not use it when everybody accuses her of still doing it)
That’s why they frame Bianca as a good guy at the end. That’s why Wednesday and Bianca have a small talk here and there and later don’t seem to hate each other as much. Like the pretty nice talk they had at the dance. It’s smal things that show they neither are that bad. But it also shows her bad sides and that she can be a jerk but that she is also miss understood sometimes like whit the mind control.
yeah same the entire point of her character is that yeah she really sucks as a person and she has to take steps even if just baby ones to change or she gonna end up like goody told her alone forever in agnony (or something like that)
I love how people express hatred for Mary Sues, especially Rey from Star Wars of being one, but then “Wednesday” exists and the show is loved by so many people. It’s just so ironic. It comes off as Wattpad and OC tropes mashed into one, but accepted because it’s an Addams Family related series. Had it not been attached with that and changed the characters’ names and design, would it have been as loved?
I mean, as a fan of the Addams family, I can't say I love this rendition. They get so much wrong about their whole dynamic, but it seems like casual audiences would be fine with just eating up Tim Burton's goth aesthetics and "witty one-liners" from an edgy teenage goth girl. Idk.
I love all of Tim Burton's work, but a lot of stuff he's been involved with recently just doesn't feel like Tim Burton. This show included. Which is very shocking because it's right up his alley.
He doesn't write at all. The only two films he's written was Edward Scissorhands and the 2012 Frankenweenie (and some miscellaneous claymation shorts). He's most likely just directing this show for the paycheck. Man's gotta eat. And I still consider him to be a fantastic director even if I disagree with some of the costume designing, writing, and CGI of some of his films because those aren't his involvements.
When I saw an edit of Wesnday throwing the piranhas and as SOON as the guy uttered the word "freak" I knew I wouldn't watch this show. I knew that it was gonna be another show filled with school stereotypes
I remember saying this to my mom about how I disliked Wednesday, I called her a marry sue, despite all her flaws, being horribly rude and whiney everyone around her accepts her and the one that don’t are stereotypical bullys, she’s rude and her sense of everything makes it seem like she’s better than everyone, and she somehow is?!?! She’s amazing at fencing, chello, fighting, and crime solving. It reminds me of a story I’d see on watpad where the writer is trying to promise the main character isn’t a marry sue.
@@falconeshield Actually Raven Symone didn't want the character of Raven Baxter to be a lesbian because she is a fictional character and not the real her. It would be cool to see though.
(Spoilers) Wednesday in this show is definitely a Mary sue. She barely makes mistakes (aside from jailing Xavier) and she fits the “edgy goth oc” archetype perfectly. She reminds of Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way from My Immortal in that sense. Edit: Also it feels like Wednesday has no common sense. I know suspension of disbelief and all, but why she didn’t she start throwing hands with Tyler (or whatever the Hyde’s name is) in the police station when he confessed and start running away? (There was also a police officer working at a desk DIRECTLY IN FRONT IF THEM and yet she doesn’t hear wtf????)
I thought Wednesday was....ok. Wednesday was pretty obnoxious but every once and a while she said something funny. I think you're right about this originally being a teen mystery show that had the Addams Family brand slap on it. Maybe a goth teen is sent to a snooty preppie boarding school where she solves murders and/or fights monsters. And she has problems with her mom who's a rich (insert job here) who wants her daughter to wear white instead of black. Also I'm a sucker for werewolves, so I really liked Enid's story arc. Need more of that in season 2. Also sunglasses girl was supposed to be a vampire? I thought she was blind.
all the vampires wear sunglasses because their eyes are sensitive to light thats why in ep 1 there is a table full of them just sitting there looking at enid for a sec
@@joerogers9413 ok now i wonder if you forgot the scene where yoko was painting cause if you don't it makes me wonder what you were thinking about a blind person painting lol
7:19 If I remember correctly Gomez in the other versions has to some extent super speed, reflexes and coordination (I say to some extent because in the first movie he was cut by the villain's minion so a normal human could still reach him). I feel like they were able to include that and still have him lose the fight in the flashback by saying that the bad guy attacked him off guard or managed to hit him severely etc.
The actor could've lost some pounds. Gomez is hot. He always was since the og to Raul Julia. An older Gomez was fine, but not like that. Where's his fencing skills?
@@falconeshield No, the OG Gomez wasn't hot, because OG Gomez is the comic one, lol. And this actor fits the look of the OG. You can disagree with that choice, but it's a valid one.
When you said that everything you talked about so far has all happened in the first episode. That made me feel so tired, my energy dropped like a rock.
i thought it was both? didn't she saw eugene getting attacked and showed up just after the attack meaning she was running to find while he was getting attacked so she got the vision before he got attacked by seeing into the future
@@satan3862 I've actually not seen the show (for many reasons, I don't get into it because I don't want to argue with people online) so if she did indeed see the attack beforehand, then ye, that would be precognitive, in which case she would be both. I only put that note because in the video they only mentioned Wednesday seeing the attack after it happened, they didn't mention seeing it before it happened
Ooh I love your theory! It would totally check out if they were competing with Monster High in the initial stages. The execs would know pretty quickly that a new IP couldn’t compete with an established one so they’d paint it over with an even more popular IP and add as many famous names to the cast as they could. And it clearly worked, because even though the show is mid literally everyone is talking about it.
If Wednesday is transferred to a school...I wish Pugsley is also transferred with her despite of their grade level so that they can have a sibling companionship just like in the previous Addams Family media. Like if Pugsley is getting bullied and Wednesday saves him from a toxic environment, they know exactly that the school they were attending is a toxic environment so their parents have an idea to transfer both of them to let them thrive in a safer system. Its just Morticia and Gomez needs to do more justice in character with being more supportive and Wednesday admires her parents for being supportive and being whole as a family. Instead of Wednesday's issues, it is just her trying to protect her brother. I just hate Wednesday being mean to everyone like it is out of of character. Sure she is sassy but not going to extremes. I just really hope the Addams family have more screen time and interaction.
I have literally only seen the dance meme, but it was set to a cello cover of Enter Sandman. With literally no dialog, just dancing and music, I was like "This is a very weird take on the Addams Family. I might skip this one." Glad to see I made the right choice! I will 100% support your tinfoil theory of "it wasn't actually an Addams family property to start with" because, as you pointed out, it wouldn't be the first time the industry went "we have to get our own out, before all the market share is scooped up!" Also, it's funny that Wednesday is super good at super everything she does, except when the audience sees her do it. Like, yeah, she knows all this information, and she's a super talented fencer, but then she can't figure out the murdered despite being incredibly intelligent, and she can't dodge a statue despite flying around as a master of wire-fu? It all seems very tonally inconsistent. Great review, can't wait for the next video ^.^
The kidnapped scene was probably the most Wednesday Addams scene in the show. You never mentioned the Adult Wednesday Addams youtube series by Melissa Hunter. She was forced to stop and wipe her content (it's been re-uploaded by others), but I assumed it inspired this show. I didn't know about Monster High, but I've been aware of the rivalry thing ever since Michael and City of Angels came out so close together, so that makes sense. Perhaps Netflix felt awkward about having a vampire main character so close to cancelling First Bite? It looks like the Wednesday cast had a lot of fun, at least... the plague dance notwithstanding.
She should've been part of the UA-cam Red/Reel projects like Cobra Kai was. It's stupid no one backed her up when the only streaming content came from Hulu, Netflix and YT till 2017.
Throughout this video I found myself frequently imagining a show where Wednesday Addams, macabre nerd, goes to a normal high school and befriends several people with interests as off-beat as her own. Like, a Sengoku Jidai history nerd, and a Bionicle nerd or Gundam Model nerd, and a Tolkien nerd, and a marine life documentary nerd, etc. And then maybe they have to combine their separate brands of weird and specific trivia knowledge to overcome some challenge, like an actual interesting mystery, or a trivia contest whose prize money will let them keep their school club or something. Seems more interesting than just another monster school thing. Of course, the downside of something like that being attempted is how easily it's character writing would fall into stereotypical doldrums if the writing staff didn't have people with those actual interests involved. And even then the Addams Family stuff would probably still feel tacked-on. God forbid she ends up as unlikeable as she did in the show we actually got.
as someone who never even really had THAT much exposure to the addams family outside of general cultural knowledge, i always figured the point of tellings stories involving the family was their interactions with ""normal"" people/situations. which made the whole monster school murder mystery thing feel really... out of place? i would've much preferred to see your version of a wednesday-centric series about her just navigating high school and friendship and essentially coming of age
I'm starting to believe that making a faithful adaptation or reboot of anything in this day and age is just not possible. Somewhere along the way we must have lost the thing that allowed us to make good TV. Whatever it was, I hope we find it again someday. I miss how TV and movies used to be.
I liked Wednesday. Things that didn't make sense *usually* weren't too distracting for me. The only one that was distracting was the Gomez-murder plot point and how it contradicted the show's macabre sense of humour. What did annoy me was how the show tried to push this romance subplot with characters that had no chemistry, especially Tyler. The fact that Wednesday was very clear in her intentions of using him for a car and only ever talked about her investigation, I found it incredibly stupid that there could be any romance whatsoever. (Also the fact that this Wednesday gave me big aroace vibes, but as far as I know that is purely headcanon) And the CGI monster was hilariously bad. I could never take it seriously because whenever it appeared I just started laughing. The main thing that kept me watching was the mystery and, obviously, Jenna Ortega
I really liked the show, but I agree that it's not the Adams family. This is just people taking a franchise and making what they want with the characters (Something of which I hate). This didn't have to be the Adams Family.
Thank you. I’ve been really frustrated that no one seems to see all the issues with this show. Everyone is just blindly obsessed with it for seemingly no other reason than the fact that Jenna Ortega is a good actress.
What I really hate about this show is that it's not even funny. Wednesday is supposed to be the character with the funny one liners but she was more annoying than funny. The one time I laughed was because of Uncle Fester.
Only half way through the show, but I honestly believe it should've been 'Wednesday and Pugsley'. Wednesday still could've been the leading character, but both she and Pugsley would've been sent to the school.
@@growingupwithdisney he's also younger than Wednesday and is weak and pathetic, and that bothers me because Pugsley was never characterized by that. He was always the hardier of the Addams children. He should have been the 'muscle' to Wednesday's 'brains'.
Puglsey could totally go to a Monster school and fit in. Have you seen the things his sister puts him through that he still survives? He's gotta be immortal, or so hard to kill it makes no difference.
26:25 Okay to be fair, she grew up with GOMEZ as her father. Gomez, the man who fences daily and always wins. Gomez, the man who can flip through book pages and retain the information perfectly in about 10 seconds. Gomez, the man who snagged MORTICIA and is literally the perfect husband. He is amazing at golf, fencing, literature and business, it only makes sense he passed some of that down to Wednesday
I liked the show because it was actually watchable, fun, and unique unlike like all the Riverdale clones that are popping up. I 100% agree Wednesday was out of character. I didn't mind her being a brat because the show was her learning how to be around other people and make friends, but I COULD NOT STAND her strangely drawing the line at murder. Like, her looking at the Hyde and the one teacher lady and being like: you are bad and I am the good guy. No. She would hate the Hyde because "huff, you don't even murder because you like it. How boring." And the teacher lady " you know, the whole nice teacher schtick never suited you. Where I respect your desire to destroy our interests collide so I will have to stop you." And Mr fire and brimstone preacher would be " I like your style, but as you murdered my ancestor I now have personal stakes in this so now you must die " They could have added logic that kept in line with her character. Wednesday doesn't have to be a hero. But they wanted to make her one, and her happily taking that place isn't like her. Wednesday would want to be right, she would want to win the game She would not bother to save the day, however. Also, the monster design of the Hyde was awful. So, so bad.
They should’ve had Wednesday would admire them and want to learn about it all to see how they did it yet still didn’t get caught. Along the way the Hyde starts to hurt people she cared about (first Eugene, then Thing), and she starts to question if murder is actually as good as she thinks
While almost all of the people playing the Addams family are at least passible. I still have a problem with the actor playing Gomez. He may look the part of the early Gomez. But he just seems way too reserved and lacks the energy Gomez has. The guy that is affectionate to his family one minute. Then wants to backflip onto a table and fence with someone the next just for the hell of it. Definitely have to agree, this day in age there would be a huge line of people wanting to date Wednesday, she’d be beating them off with a stick. Also feel the makers missed the point of the Addams family, having the gothic and creepy family be a drastic contrast to the normal happy go lucky American family. Having her in with another gothic discount monster high setting doesn’t leave much to contrast and as such she doesn’t stand out as much as she should. Then just having slapping on another, boarding school mystery that’s been done before. Doesn’t add much. They could have done far more to make Wednesday likable while having her dry wit and Macabre nature. Instead of just making her insufferably unlikable.
What’s funny about Enid is that she genuinely cares for Wednesday, is first introduced to us with a shirt that has the lesbian flag colors and rainbow nails, managed to get Wednesday to wear cat ears, and they still tried to give Enid a boyfriend
The biggest problem is that my boy Eugene wasn’t the true main character. It’s such a shame that a god like character like Eugene got sidelined for the B-plot.
The thing that bothers me the most is how everyone comes to the conclusion of "oh wow wednesday addams literally shit talk about us and the things that we like, she must love us and i will get angry if she doesnt" like seriously, wednesday bothers me abnormally but everyone just acts like she was a nice person with all of them when she really doesnt
To quote myself once I finished the show, “Wednesday isn’t a show about a school full of magic students, it’s a a show about a school whose students happen to be magical.”
I think the “outcast” school setting would have worked better if Morticia and Gomez were more involved in the school, like as founders or integral staff/donators. They could have even been professors of “human integration”, but most of their understanding or “normies” are comically incorrect. They’re genuinely interested in understanding and getting along with normies, even if they still can’t quite understand them despite their “expertise” after living amongst them for many years, which could even be uncommon for most outcasts. Then we would have more of the family together, as they should be, and they could still be the quirky close knit family that sticks out even among the other outcasts, while still being respected.
to me, wednesday is a good show, just not that good and overrated. my biggest complain about the show is the cliched plots, the mystery, and the cgi. what i hate about the mystery is that it was really easy to know who the culprit, even scooby-doo still sometimes fool me with who the culprit really is and the show is supposed to be a mystery show and the cgi, i seriously thought i was the only one who thought the hyde was one of the ugliest monster cgi out there, i immediately laughed when i saw the monster, i also don't like how they made the monster brutally kills their victims, but their wounds are not that brutal, i also really hate the werewolf cgi. i also could inda stand wednesday because i kinda like emo characters, but while watching the show, i do sometimes think that she is annoying. i totally agree with you that the show shouldn't be a mystery show (sorry if my english is bad)
One nitpick I have: how much Jenna’s skin tone varies in each scene. You can obviously tell when they are digitally making her paler (her under eyes look blurry). Kinda problematic. They could have made her grayer instead of whiter. Additionally, it’s super inconsistent. Some scenes shes paler than a character, then the next shes tanner. It’s hard to ignore once you notice it and it’s annoying
At first I was confused about why I liked the movie Wednesday but didn't like the show Wednesday, because at first glance they seem identical. But the key is that 1, Movie Wednesday was actually funny and 2, they always had it coming as well as the fact that the movies don't take her behavior super seriously like in the show. Movie Wednesday doesn't have a sad backstory to excuse her actions because that would imply her actions need excusing. The show turned a character quirk into a flaw she can never fully overcome because her character has been built around it.
I absolutely despise the Wednesday show. I’ve loved the Addams Family since I was a little kid, and this was the most frustrating perversion of the source material. I hate that this was so many people’s introduction to these characters, because it missed the point so completely and misrepresented everything so badly. Anyways, this video was refreshing to see.
I don’t think you can really tell a serious story with the Addams Family. Their setup was always meant for comedic purposes and taking them out of that just feels wrong.
Yeah this show was just offnesive to me as an Addams Family fan. It just takes everything that makes Addams Family good is taken out and replaced by modern popular shit like school drama and magic.
I don't think this version of Wednesday hates her parents, especially her mother. More like she resents her mother because deep down she knows they have a lot in common and she's determined to be her own person, not a reflection of her mother. That's why she sneers at her mother and then indulges in the same things she enjoys. She has immense respect for her father, and even stated that he was "twice the man" when speaking to one of the villains. Wednesday is definitely going through her angst phase, exacerbated by her macabre persona, but that's not hate for her parents, it's just good ole teenage resentment.
This whole "adolescent angst phase" cliché is really getting old though.... It's just tiring at this point, and i mean come on, not every teens hates their parents. GOD FORBID writers allow a young person trust and seek out their parents when they're struggling internally, especially with this particular material, when the whole point of the Addams Family in the first place is that they work as a close family unit
My take on the character was that she is trying to be dark and edgy but she is just a normal girl. I would say flat out half of everything she says is completely untrue. She loves her parents, and I don't think she even does any of the 'evil' sounding stuff she talks about. The opening fish thing is actually weird, because it is one of the few times she ever follow throughs with actually hurting anyone. Without it, it would seem like she is entirely a poser and would never harm a person.
Netflix completely missed the point. I think, an emotionally healthy Wednesday in a school full of ducked up teenagers would have been a literal equivalent to what the original Addams family was back in the day.
Nothing to do with clothes and everything to do with personality and looks. Whether middle school, high school, or whatever else in adulthood, confidence gets you a lot of places along with sociability over skills. I've gotten away with a lot of shit because of it. Putting stats into charisma is key if you ain't hot.
This is just a reskin of that one show with a teen girl who was mixed with different creatures and was a garden tool at a special school for monster kids which reminds me of the x men cartoon I watched in the 90s. I knew this show was going to be shit and was going to be a spoiled teenage girl drama. Addams Family was added for brand recognition and aesthetic. Nothing else. Thank for you confirming all of my assumptions.
I have two issues with Wednesday (the show): Wednesday (the character) has no weakness outside of not having all the information yet, and Gomez and Morticia don't act in love. Wednesday as a character would have been so much more interesting if she was only good at mental things like inventing, psychology, sleuthing, scaring people, etc., while being terrible at physical things like running, combat, and feats of strength. In this one change, her verbal bouts and intimidation become preventative cover for her inability to hold her own in a fight. Her constant need to rely on others without getting close to them is because she really can't do some things, so she needs to rely on someone like Enid to use her werewolf strength (and she also wants to trust people and have friends she just refuses to let herself be vulnerable). It would also be a subversion of the typical tomboy-ish junior detective protagonist and follows established canon of Wednesday preferring to destroy her enemies with a carefully laid plan, rather than a direct confrontation. This is probably the first time we've seen Wednesday throw a punch. If you need her to be in a fight, it should be her using the environment to outwit her opponents, rather than "I learned Kung-Fu from my uncle"). Every time Gomez and Morticia are on screen, it seems like they're keeping an unnatural distance from each other. Every expression of love felt like it was waiting for someone to yell "action", and Gomez in particular seemed to be rather lacking in passion. He looked at Morticia like she was his on-screen wife, not like she was his divine inspiration, his very heart, his reason to live, do die, and to kill! Young Gomez was good, but something about modern Gomez just made me feel uncomfortable. (also, I agree it's weird that they claim Wednesday is "black and white", drop the pale makeup halfway through, and also mention she is both of Native and Mexican heritage. And Ajax is an actual Greek name, it probably would have been weird to be a gorgon called Perseus or something.)
I remmeber one of the Adams Family movies having Wednesday and her brother were sent to summer camp. That movie was a much better portrayal of the Adams and Wednesday than this one could ever hope to be.
Wednesday is written like a teenage girl's edgy dark self-insert OC. She's goth, broody and dismissive to everyone but get showered with praise - not that she needs it. Attractive boys save her life and then fall in love with her. She has the most stereotypical bad parents archetype, who Wednesday then mouths off to without any repercussions. There's no growth or character to it.
That’s not completely true. First of all it’s is confirmed by the actors in interviews (they are quiet east to find) that Tyler only used Wednesday. And her parents aren’t bad parents it seems and it is clear when Wednesday gets them out if prison that she actually cares for them. It seems much more like she just feels her parents are bounding her true potential and that she would do much better on her own which is common in teenagers. Because they aren’t sure how to express their maturity yet but still feel like they could take control even tho they still need some help. And she isn’t showers by praises, it’s quiet the contrary and people are quiet mean to her specially at the start. And she is often called out for her flaws by multiple people. And she dose grow which is shown by her and Enid hugging which shows that 1, she have learned how to show affection and appreciation. 2, she have grown some more understanding on others emotions. And 3, she’s starting to get comfortable in this new environment and is going out of her comfort zone. That is a lot of change but I do see why some wouldn’t understand that because sometimes it’s hard to see things change when it’s a very subtle change that is shown by a hug. Because, specially in more main stream films or series, they usually go through this huge amount of change but I see this approach more realistic, and it’s great if they want to do a season 2.
she will NEVER be ebony dark'ness dementia raven way !!!!!
She the stereotypical parent "issue", when there shouldnt be.
@@celebrityguest.9530 😂
Showered with praise? I'm pretty sure she ticked everyone that came close to her, e.g. Weems, Sinclair, Thorpe, you name it. And her parents aren't even bad. In fact, their good parents and Wednesday was simply feeling rebellious at such age.
I love how we're all collectively like "it sucked, but not because of Jenna Ortega"
Lol yeah, it was definitely the fault of the writers not respecting the source material and pulling some shitty cash grab stunt, not her trying to do her best with a garbage script.
and gwendoline christie dont forget abt her lmao
@@kinda_cold_in_the_closet what about her? I think she was a great principal
@@abbij2009 we're talking about the actors not the characters
I mainly liked the show because "wow pretty emo girl" and "wow pretty pastel girl" 🤷♀️
I think Enid liking Wednesday kinda made sense because Enid was the type to like everyone (she even started getting along with the bully character at the dance, and quickly befriended a sentient hand) but I agree that everyone else would've 100% found Wednesday insufferable to be around
Bruh what y’all people are wired 😂😂😂 that was friends nun more I didn’t get vibes like that
I also think it makes sense for Xavier cuase you notice Wensdays attitude is similar to the Siren he breaks up with. So he clearly likes women with a level of attitude. Tyler didn't like her though he was pretending so he could use her for the summoning thing.
We’ll of course she’s in sufferable because like she’s soooooo done with with people 💅 like that’s me.. because I’m done with people and she’s done with people.. she’s a mooood.
@@dazzlingdexter5060 plus the fact xavier has daddy issues
I think It makes sense because they’re on opposite sides of this aesthetic spectrum, they have more In common than you’d think because of It. Both will have dealt with comments on the things they like, both like to dress and act a way “outside the norm” (no matter how much the show suggests otherwise, Enid’s sunshine personality and style is not “normal”. She’s also someone who likes things that are ‘alternative’ because she’s so extreme on the girliness.) they both can bond easier because they’ve had the same feelings but for different things.
Not sure why modern writers insist on having Wednesday and Morticia argue all the time when the whole point of the Addams family is that they’re an actually happy, loving, and supportive family, but it makes me want to go back and rewatch The Addams Family and Addams Family Values again.
The point is that as bizarre and twisted as they are they're just as loving as any sitcom family and rejecting the path you feel your parent have pushed on you is a common aspect there even when invalid, cause they actually just want what's best for you (awww) literally the point
I don't mind Wednesday and Morticia not being close due to some sort of natural point where they were beginning to grow apart, but Morticia does absolutely NOTHING to warrant Wednesday's verbal abuse.
its because Wednesday is a teenager
My biggest issue was basically the point you made. Wednesday is a malcontent, she hates it at her normie school then her parents move her to a perfect school for her and she hates it all because her parents went there and liked it (great reason?). The headmistress and roommate are fine with accommodating her (even allowing her to have a special all black uniform... like, they literally act like she's royalty and make an exception to dresscode for her like she's in a wattpad fanfic) and the whole time she insults everyone and complains. WHAT DO YOU WANT, WEDNESDAY? What would satisfy you and be good enough?
Even Daria had limits to who she'd be snarky and judgey toward and got called out on it. In this show she just gets fawned over for being smug and unpleasant to be around.
Wow that’s sad.
I’m All for making accommodations for Wednesday with her all-black thing, but the Wattpad fanfic levels of being fawned over while the character just insults everyone is just…. Please no please no.
@@MysRyuza It would be one thing if the characters at Nevermore greeted Wednesday with backhanded comments or snobbishness and she was roasting them back, but almost every single person she meets at Nevermore would've had nothing against her and came off accepting and welcoming. When Wednesday belittles them for their interests or calls them shallow she looks like the judgmental, snobbish person.
I feel like the writers loved the Christina Ricci deadpan quips, but didn't realize that insulting characters who didn't deserve it came off as pretentious and mean not "OMG she's sarcastic queen!" Cause no one likes meeting someone who instantly writes you off as basic and dumb when you've literally only talked for a minute.
Also in Daria everyone but her was mean or stupid.
That is meant to be one of her flaws though right? The show calls her out for treating people badly and her animosity towards her parents shows her immaturity. It's hard to judge a character at the start when they're meant to go on a few character arcs as the series goes on - they'd be stuck otherwise.
I honestly wish it was Puglsey and Wednesday. They are the dynamic duo, it’s not just Wednesday, Pugsley is there too. Their close sibling relationship and the way they have fun, they balance each other out.
YES!!!! They missed so much actual plot opportunity by splitting up the kiddos!
They made her attitude insufferable for no reason, Wednesday is a very smart character- but being clever alone isn't enough to be considered charming. I also thought the show trying to be "relevant" with current things/allegories of actual social commentaries was bleh.
Think you missed the point Wednesday is supposed to be socially awkward and say “socialy comentary thing” that is correct but she expresss it in the wrong way which is who the response often is “okay…?”
@@twinshiftytNope, she’s just horrible in this.
@@twinshiftyt this isn't being socially awkward, this is just being a bitch
@@twinshiftyt Doubt it Netflix has a tendency of putting social commentary in pretty much every original the produce.
@@Suny-Halo that is literally her character did you not pay attention to the show she literally fuckings says she wished she understands people more.
I'm imaging if they redid some lines to be more in line with her character,
"I have no interest in becoming captain of the fencing team unless I can make their lives miserable."
Or
"I have no interest in a personal device, torture loses its appeal when viewed through a screen."
I just love how a "normie" non netflix writer could come up with such good script solution - that they couldn't bother to come up with? !
@@linnfriberg4017 Burton must've switched the Ai bot on to write the script and didn't bother to tweak it.
yeah when I heard the line about how it's a soul sucking torture devise I straight uttered why the fuck don't you like it then not drawn out enough? too slow? too impersonal? do you favor the blade and pirahana are you on a bond villian kick? this is basic stuff for wednesday
@@linnfriberg4017 there's nothing wrong with wednesday dialogue
@@Mizushimeee "Jade from Victorious is scarier than her" lmfaoooo. I was never a fan of that show but I feel like they'd get along
I binged it when I was sick in bed, I thought it was okay. You’re 100% right about Wednesday’s character, I found her super annoying and I was so confused on why everyone likes her.
Like Enid, Xavier and Tyler all generally like her for most of the show and it’s like, why tho? Especially Xavier, at the end he even gets her a gift and it’s like, really bruh? I liked the Siren girl, even if her side plot with her mom was kinda pointless.
And yea, her being so confidently wrong about the culprits was really annoying, yet hilarious cause the whole time I was just like “…you’re not a very good detective are you?”
Agree with everything u said I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with Xavier he is such a idiot and simp
i have a feeling the siren girl’s side plot will probably be involved with season 2 if that ever comes out or is would likely to be a plot device to redeem her character (idk the siren’s pronouns so correct me if im wrong)
I think people might like her for 2 reasons. One is that they relate to her more dark and rebellious side. After all it’s a common thing teens go through because they want to express themselves but aren’t sure how and feel like adults are bringing them down. And an other reason why people might like her (we’re I do fit in) is that Wednesday is very autism coated. After all Tim Burton (from what I understand) is autistic and from interviews I read (cus I do that when I find something I’m interested in) Tim Burton often makes characters he writes or direct like him. And it’s easy to see some other characters he’s directed and written that could fit into the autistic spectrum too. And it’s things like not understanding others emotions, social cues, sounding and looking completely bored all the time (tho I never mean it. It is just my default), being socialy awkward, not knowing how to express your own emotions and a tendency to be over fixated on things that make me relate a little to Wednesday even tho I am not that rebellious or sarcastic. It’s a little of a comfort.
Then on why Enid, Xavier and Tyler like her. Well Enid (which I also relate to cus honestly a lot of the “outcasts” can be seen as autistic) seems like the type of person who just is very optimistic, positive and tries to be friends whit everyone, that’s why she’s so frustrated that it doesn’t work whit Wednesday.
And Xavier it’s a more philosophical thing. Obviously he has put Wednesday on a pedestal after saving him and he just doesn’t want to acknowledge the fact she’s kinda a jerk cus he thinks of her so highly.
And whit Tyler it seems kinda implied at the end that he never really liked Wednesday at all and just used her. But we probably won’t know that until like season two.
And yes her falsely accusing people is annoying I do agree but it is not just this series problem but a lot of mystery movies/series dose this and it’s called a red herring which is someone they want the audience think is the culprit cus otherwise the mystery won’t be good. Some can do it pretty gracefully but it can be hard sometimes. But at the same time if they didn’t have the fake outs it wouldn’t be as good if a story and would probably be worse.
(Sorry that this is so long. Like I said when I’m interested in something (or some topic) I go a little overboard… sorry)
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Continuations on what I said cus I found new info, it’s confirmed in interviews whit the actors that Tyler never truly liked Wednesday and hated her and her family for what happened to his mother.
@@twinshiftyt The thing about the Xavier being the red herring was it was WAY too obvious that he was the red herring. Literally in the scene when Wednesday finds out that the Hyde is human, Xavier pops up next to her and I was like “NOPE, it’s not you, it’s probably Tyler” and as the show kept hammering it in it only made me more sure. It didn’t help that Tyler as a character was pretty bland, even his reveal didn’t make him more interesting to me, but idk, maybe others felt differently.
Back to Xavier, I really hope he doesn’t get with Wednesday in season 2. With her constantly ignoring, insulting and only going to him when she needs something, it just doesn’t feel right. The love triangle in general was weird. I figured that Wednesday might be Aro/Ace, would be nice to get some queer rep, especially with some of the themes of the show that could be seen through a queer lens. “Outcasts having a safe place where they can be themselves”, Enid’s mom literally trying to send her to conversion camp. Feels like a missed opportunity.
I wish more writers would actually go for this stuff instead of just having subtext and hints, this goes for all representation.
Damn, kinda went on a tangent there 😅😅
As for Wednesday herself, I get why audience might like and relate to her, I think she’s got some funny lines here and there, but as a whole I didn’t like her character that much.
ngl Enid will like anybody... also I agree I found out her character annoying , ngl I found myself loving the side characters more......
Personally my biggest problem was the worldbuilding. I never once felt like the rules of the world the series takes place in were established and random things just kept happening for no reason.
that and they really just didn't explore the different types of creatures in this world or their powers like xavier can bring all his drawings to life they could have done so more with that then make him the ''loverboy with issues''
@@satan3862 Agreed.
yeah like i legit thought that ajax was done for when he stoned himself
@@erinys2 same. It wasn't even important to the story that he wasn't Enid's date anyways
What some people don't understand, is that the Addams are a perfect family. There is just so much love and understanding going on. So much support and love. Heck, Gomez invites a man who just says he's his brother into their family. Just by word of mouth.
THIS 😭
And far too many people try to excuse this criticism with "but she's a teenager!" When that doesn't even make sense. The whole point of The Addams is that their normal is our oddities―Wednesday wouldn't act like a normal, common teenager. Full of rebellion and attitude.
Sure, in the older versions, I guess you could say she did have a certain rebellion to her. It's what my older brother mentioned as well when I was in a discussion with him about this show. But he made a good point that it was never the typical "I don't wanna be like my mom/fuck my parents" type of rebellion, but more of the "I'm simply doing my own thing" type all the while still remaining respect and subtle idolization for her parents. (He said it in a much better way than I could remember, however).
And don't even get me started on how they characterized Pugsley. I expected Pugsley to grin after being thrown into the locker and take the bullying as an invitation of friendship, or would criticize the bullies on their "craft." But nope. He came out of that locker shaking in his boots and in need of Wednesday's protection.
That last part isn't really related to what you said, but I just started rambling a bit because I can't stand this show. I hate to sound aggressive, I really do, but I grew up on the Addams Family and cherished them for years. My grandfather and I watched the original black and white Addams Family show, then the Family Values movies so many times together, then I eventually lost him. So The Addams became all the more special to me.
But this show? This show felt like a spit in the face. But unlike me, my grandpa would've just laughed at it and found humour in that feeling. (And honestly? I should learn to take his example. It's just tough to).
This show isn't Wednesday, her emotions, dynamic and adventures to me. It's more like a YA novel with the main character being an edgy self-insert OC who's not-so-subtly based on Wednesday Addams. It took all my willpower to make it through the show.
@@DelilahDarling17nail on the head
I hated how this was basically a Harry Potter/x men type of story.
The whole point of the addams family is thah they are a odd type of family trying to live peceafully in america, but this show just said "nah, let's just put her in a School for unique people".
I used to have the same opinion but changed my mind on the school thing. Wednesday may have found some enjoyment at the school, but even at a school for outcasts (I hate how it's framed that way and have a problem with that) she sticks out. The rest of the kids really are just kids and while there's some 'cultural' differences the attitudes are pretty much the same as her old schools. That being said, I do have several other complaints about the show overall.
@@wombat4583So…why make them supernatural? It would make more sense for them to just be normal humans.
well this show is focused on WEDNESDAY. so it kinda makes sense to focuse on a school setting and that life...
the family themselves got little screen time cuz this show is wednesdays time to shine. i liked that. tho i do wish for more interaction with her fam members.
The still the core purpose are you forgetting the main villian was a normie that hated people for being different? If your gonna have criticism make it have sense.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord finally
Your theory of this being an unrelated to Adams family project being forced into being one by Netflix makes a lot of sense, because there's exactly what the Netflix series of Resident Evil felt like
Oh wow! I had totally forgotten about that resident Evil series. Oof, that one hurt too much to watch, I couldn't even finish that one.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 very very bad, and they announced it right after they announced the welcome to raccoon city movie, so it matches with this theory of Netflix taking famous properties and slapping them in random unrelated scripts
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 how is this show not related to the Adam's family?
It definitely has its issues but for me it scratched that “fantasy academy mystery with silly characters” story itch, although I wish they made it feel more like an academy setting after the first few episodes, like showing them going to class still. The forced romance across the board was definitely my least favorite part and made me feel physically ill lmao
Wow, I didn't even think of that. The only class we ever saw them attend was their botonny class that 1 time.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584it’s usually a big problem I have with fantasy academy media, despite it being one of my favorite settings. I want to see these kids in fun classes! I want to see them in combat training, or making potions, or taming beasts, or even sneaking out of a regular class like math or something. It’s a perfect opportunity to explore character dynamics and fun friendships. I think Harry Potter and the Owl House did that a little better, but I rarely see it being used as a setting consistently throughout the show, except maybe Little Witch Academia. RWBY’s handling of it as a setting made me start writing my own fantasy academy story, with blackjack and hookers!
yeah, hopefully they listen to the issues people have with it (CGI, pacing, story, etc…), and turn season 2 into something amazing, as the show has amazing potential
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 They attended botany twice I think, once at the start and once when Wednesday noticed Xavier's cut, and Fencing had an instructor at least, but I don't think that was a class.
THIS OMG
I feel like it've been so easy to make Wednesday going to a school for monsters/magical people make sense by making Addams family a known magical family, especially if it was like the 90's movies where the Addams seem to be basically immortal, as in they survive everything, and one of their ancestors was burned for being a witch and Morticia studied hexes in college. Wednesday could be coming into her powers so she is enrolled in Nevermore and is considered to be a late bloomer making her want to prove herself.
Also when hearing about her Father possibly being a murderer her response should've been "Well it was my mother that dealt the final blow, they tell the story all the time, it was their first kill as a couple and they say it was how they knew they were meant for each other."
Yes! I always felt that the Addams would never really take something like a murder rap to heart.
So when it came up I was like, 'wait Wednesday didn't know??"
I mean they are? The Addams seem to be deeply connected to the school, it being formed by nightshades. I feel like that story they wouldn't reminisce on especially cause Gomez be crazy jealous, even if she wasn't into dude, just left it in the past
It was so off character for Wednesday to be shocked that her mother killed a guy in self defense - Wednesday regularly prides herself with harming people and being into the markabre, so why is she upset at her mother?????
I would love to see a high school show were the goth kids are the most popular students and the jocks are constantly shiton for still thinking they're weird
Yeah, but then Wedensday would not be super duper mega extra special. I honestly hoped for this kind of show, since it looked like Never more could be this type of school, but no, it is just generic school straight from school power fantasies, just with magical people.
that would be more realistic atleast for me i always wear black rarely any other colour and no one but my friends cares and that only because we had a inside joke of me looking like i was going to rob a house at all times
all the ''jocks'' at the schools i went to we're fairly well respected and liked because of they joked a lot and are out going but everyone also agreed they were lowkey bad influences you shouldn't hang out with too much, have too much of a ego and are just really obnoxious
the older people became the less of the good things i mentioned keeps happening while more of the bad things i mentioned kept happening all the ''jocks'' at much school got daily shit talked and shade thrown their way
@satan Actually it might be better to do something like Booksmart and reveal that the jocks are actually genuinely nice people
@@makotoplush9776 yeah that would be more intresting to watch i just hope we get to see more all the outcastes powers because man was that under used
If Wednesday is basically at Monster High now, can we get a official collaboration? A doll for her would be really pretty.
exactly. The fact that they called regular people normies made me think of monster high.
YES! A Skullectors!
Yes Ajax looks like he could be LA Decue's cousin or brother and Bianca is like a combanation of Cleo and Lagoona
@@SusanMercorn not really she is more like a subversion of Cleo character archetype
it happened :]
THANK YOU! I'm a huge Adams Family fan and I thought I was going crazy like are people watching the same show I am? I'm even more mad because the OG pitch was a professional version of the Adult Wednesday UA-cam shorts (which is why they were cancelled) but instead we got soft goth Harry Potter with the Adams Family IP slapped on popularized by a TikTok dance.
Wednesday's telemetry glimpses don't even matter since she could just ask her brother what happened, every other time she could ask someone around or figured it out based on intuition. The outcasts, even though they're supposed to be, y'know, outcasts have very forgettable characteristics and are kinda generic.
Overall, a big problem I see is the lack of theme, the directors summed up the Addams Family as goth and eccentric but carelessly dropped more important elements like their dynamic and how the people around them are represented, very ungood
She could have asked her brother what happened she literally did that and he wouldn't tell her did you not watch the first episode they literally show that
She literally asks him “what happened?” And he didn’t give her an answer.
Nore would I say the outcasts have generic characteristics nore personalities but this is through the eyes of someone who’s been an outcasts sense 3rd grade cus I am neurodivergent and homosexual. And a lot of these characters are like real outcasts. I mean for example Wednesday, Eugene and Enid seem very neurodivergent from the experience I’ve had, friends had and family had in their life. And I can tell you that these outcasts really are outcasts and even if it might not be clear traits it’s clear by how people treat them. I think their characteristics and not generic at all and quiet the contrary because most of that kind of representation are very, very wrong. Like the film music by Sia
@@dx-dragon4399Which makes no sense
More like, someone’s idea of goth, after being told of it for five minutes by someone who wasn’t there but read about it in a cheap magazine many years later.
my main problem with the show is anytime they make a modern reference
it makes the show feel really dater
The time period we live in sucks so much, that referencing it is even more lame than references to dated stuff from the 2000s.
Ironically, it makes the show feel even more disconnected from reality. Let fiction be fiction without having to add in tons of pop culture or meta references in hopes that ppl will be like ‘omg they said the thing!!!’
@@freesbi the problem with pop culture references is that in shows, everyone always gets the reference no matter who they are. It’s unrealistic.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 the show feature freaking teensagers what the fuck do you want them to talk about shit from 50 years ago?
I'm PISSED they sidelined my boy Eugene, the bug boy. I'm a bug boy myself, and I absolutely fell in love with his goofy personality and was so excited when Wensday and him became friends. I hoped that Eugene woulda mellowed out Miss. Perfect and brought her back to the real world by being more knowledgeable about bugs- specifically bees- than her. It woulda been so cool but they just HAD to EXPLODE HIM
For real, I'm not even an insect enthuasist, but he is easily one of the best characters in this show. I hated how Wednesday treated him, and when the ball episode came up, I was screaming in agony at how she wouldn't go to the dance with him! Like, the opportunity to subvert tired TV tropes and audience expectations was RIGHT THERE! Just goes to show how much more dedicated Eugene's character was to actually sole any mysteries than Wednesday 😩 At least she felt guilty for what happened to him afterwards, but... UGH! So much wasted potential.
I’m glad to finally found someone who isn’t foaming from the mouth with adoration for the show, I was excited to watch it but I’m glad I didn’t cuz I would’ve been upset and never finished it
So you’re here foaming at the mouth for content criticizing a show you’ve never seen instead. Rational.
@@Orowam I mean regardless of if you've seen it or not, it's still very easy to see that the writing and other things in this show is objectively bad at times. I haven't watched it, but my dad has, yet we both came to the general consensus that it could def do better 🤷♀
@@alyx5979 So your dad recited the show to you? And now you know that it is objectively bad even thou you didn't watch it!
@@rogerforsman5064 I said it was bad *at times*, not completely bad. I’m emphasizing that point because ofc it’s not fair to say the whole thing is bad if I haven’t watched the whole thing, but it’s still super easy to tell based on limited information that certain parts of it felt out of character or the writing felt off at times. I don’t think the entire show was “bad” in fact I don’t really have an opinion on the entire show. But when it comes to individual things about the show (especially characters) it’s very easy to tell some things stood out more positively or negatively than others 🤷🏾♀️
@@Orowam I was excited for the show and honestly forgot when it premiered, I saw some reviews but then they pointed out some inconsistencies and it turned me out because I don’t wanna be burned by another show that seemed cool. I also hate the whole your special so you deserve to go to a special school plus why leave the bullied brother by himself
one of the most upsetting things about it for me was how Jenny Ortega started being treated because of it. People don't see her as an actual person anymore, they see her as a character, Specifically Wednesday. Ive seen a bunch of people find old videos of Jenna doing musicallys as a kid, and of course she was being 'cringey' she was a kid. But people will caption it with stuff like "naww that's not Wednesday, it's Thursday 💀" no. that's Jenny Ortega, an actual person who has a life outside of this show. people need to start remembering that.
Seriously though. It’s real. I see this so often, it’s getting annoying as someone that’s watched her since stuck in th e middle Harley Diaz days and voice acting as well- like just Call her Jenna and don’t joke around w days of the week and wednesday like just why-
There are fans who simply can't see the separation. When Eugene turned on the group in, The Walking Dead, the actor playing the roll started getting death threats.
💀bro its a joke chill
Jenna* not Jenny. Ironic you mispronounced somebody you want to be respected for who they actually are lol
Very coherent and well-written review. In many ways, WEDNESDAY feels like a mix of Riverdale and Scooby Doo.
Right before I saw this, I just said it feels like Scooby-Doo and the ghouls school 😩
Ok but Riverdale is good.
Well not really. It's trash, but a very enjoyable trash.
@@samreddig8819 I liked the first season..... and after that it gets a little wonky. But i can still find myself watching it just bc why not lmao
@@viktoryc the first season was mid. Not that good. But to scared to just be BAD.
Season 2 and onward are so bad and crazy that it wraps around to being enjoyable. Like The Room.
@@samreddig8819 Yeah lol
I hate this show. I didn't care for the bad characterization. Wednesday resenting Morticia felt so out of character. The Addams are supposed to always get along dispite being creepy. That's the joke. I get that it's an adaptation and I didn't expect it to be exactly like previous instalments but that's the one thing you don't mess with. I dislike how Wednesday went from deadpan to rude. There's a difference. Wednesday threatening Thing felt so wrong. She would never do that. I also dislike that the Addams are aware they are weird. They are supposed to be oblivious to the fact that they are weird. On its own it's meh but it's not the Addams Family.
I saw people who defend her character by saying she's a teen and that's just so stupid
The only thing this show taught me is that the critics and studios work together to prop this series up as the next best thing.
Also you know a character that also didn't fit in with the crowd and sarcastically mocked their trends but wasn't an insufferable buzzkill? Daria!
Critics were generally pretty lukewarm on the show and consistently rated it lower than general audiences
Her treatment of Xavier is stunningly horrible, yet Xavier is a glutton for punishment. Its also hilarious that a dna test clears xavier as the hyde yet the 'witty' Wednesday is adamant Xavier is the hyde. The writers and wednesday herself seem to have forgotten this for some reason.
@Johnny Rocket she already had proof it wasn’t him…then still framed him, she clearly just didn’t like him very much. He shouldn’t have bought her the phone at the end and shouldn’t even be her friend
@Johnny Rocket very true, even in terms of the fandom, most girls (on Twitter especially) don’t like Xavier, and still root for Tyler despite him being the monster. They see Xavier as pathetic, and use the term “loser” and “weird” when referring to him, and giving Tyler so many excuses. At least he did have some boundaries with her when he was in jail and she was STILL trying to use him, Xavier deserves better. He was also getting manipulated by Bianca in their past relationship, so he really should end up alone. Not in a sad way though like in the dance episode, but in a powerful, independent, and self-respecting way. Most guys in society should learn that, don’t bend over backwards for girls that don’t actually like you, use your critical thinking skills and see that you deserve better.
It reminds me of the show High School Musical: The Musical: The Series season 1 and 3, the character EJ Caswell was seen as the villain just because he’s a popular jock, but he’s genuinely a much better person than the skater boy main character Ricky Bowen, who tried to home-wreck on EJ’s relationship twice…yet everyone (the fans and people in the show) villainize EJ, as they victimize and excuse Ricky. EJ did all these nice things for his girlfriends, but that’s not enough. The girls find any excuse to break up with him, so they can justify being with Ricky…it’s so biased. EJ had to be single and get character development (that no one noticed). At least Xavier got a sorta good ending in season 1, but it was only after Tyler wasn’t an option anymore. Wednesday should’ve been better than girls in modern society, I have a feeling she’ll still end up with Tyler ultimately. They’ll just excuse his behavior by saying he was manipulated/groomed to act like the Hyde, while Xavier will end up alone
It felt like a bad teenager's show. Oh wait it is..
I don’t think teenagers even like it lol
@@liviwaslostI don’t know man, I’ve seen a bit too many Wednesday edits from people who are probably teenagers.
@@rickbolturd I’m a teenager(18). Most people that like it are on TikTok.
Literally half my school love this show and keeps spreading the fact they want to be like Wednesday.
@@Ridallex01 why 😂
i liked the show but i did feel like it was very tonally confused. the setting and plot was wrong for wednesday as a character, it felt like they wanted to make a show about a mystery unfolding at a school for monster kids but they also wanted to make a show about a snarky deadpan wednesday addams and they just kinda mashed them together into one thing
It reminds me of the comic Gunnerkrigg Court which is about a snarky deadpan girl going to a magical school to solve a mystery except the writing in that is good and the characters are likeable and fun.
When you put it that way, this makes me think that this should've been for an original character instead of Wednesday.
Then just could've make the show a slice of life where wacky stuff just happens maybe growth here and there but still bigger isn't always better simplicity feels more heartwarming imo
I feel like the opening would make more sense if the bullies didn't know Pugsley was Wednesday's brother, so when they see her coming, they immediately swim away (besides the leader) because they don't know what they did and don't want to find out. The main bully is confused and pauses before turning back, which is why he is the only one still in the pool by the time the piranhas catch up. It would also tell the audience that everyone moving away is warranted by the fact that she has some negative history at the school
I like how Ajax looks over inqusitivly like he's asking himself "There is no fucking way this dude is getting head in the middle of the dance floor"
In summary Wednesday is an edgy perfect goth queen who preaches about her greatness and showing how much better she is than anyone while having a cool seeing powers for no reason with two salt water simps that will come at her beckoning.
Yeah the writing and series was bad, but I don’t think it was made for me lol
The vampires kept being brought up but then nothing ever came about with them.
I actually agree with alot of your points on this one, i like how you called out how obnoxious wednesday really is bc it is insufferable, even if it served to make her develop towards the end.
I think the acting and direction really did carry this one for me, bc it did keep me engaged and wanting to watch more until the end.
Also, why did the show frame bianca so villainously when im pretty sure shes one of the most morally sound characters (literally has mind control and deliberately struggles to not use it when everybody accuses her of still doing it)
That’s why they frame Bianca as a good guy at the end. That’s why Wednesday and Bianca have a small talk here and there and later don’t seem to hate each other as much. Like the pretty nice talk they had at the dance. It’s smal things that show they neither are that bad. But it also shows her bad sides and that she can be a jerk but that she is also miss understood sometimes like whit the mind control.
@@twinshiftyt yeah i like the way she was left off, but the way shes framed in the first half is so infuriating
Honestly,I’m fine with Wednesday being unlikeable,especially with the fact it’s kind of the reason why everyone dropped her in the 7th episode
yeah same the entire point of her character is that yeah she really sucks as a person and she has to take steps even if just baby ones to change or she gonna end up like goody told her alone forever in agnony (or something like that)
It was the 6th episode for me.
I'm amazed everyone lasted 7 episodes. I was done with her by the end of the second episode
@@wrenegade6283 no I mean the characters
@@themonarchofbaddecisionmak1405 I know, so do I
I love how people express hatred for Mary Sues, especially Rey from Star Wars of being one, but then “Wednesday” exists and the show is loved by so many people. It’s just so ironic. It comes off as Wattpad and OC tropes mashed into one, but accepted because it’s an Addams Family related series. Had it not been attached with that and changed the characters’ names and design, would it have been as loved?
I mean, as a fan of the Addams family, I can't say I love this rendition. They get so much wrong about their whole dynamic, but it seems like casual audiences would be fine with just eating up Tim Burton's goth aesthetics and "witty one-liners" from an edgy teenage goth girl. Idk.
I love all of Tim Burton's work, but a lot of stuff he's been involved with recently just doesn't feel like Tim Burton. This show included. Which is very shocking because it's right up his alley.
He has admitted to writing things that are pretty but lack substance. He just doesn’t care.
Y'all know Burton isn't writing the show, right? He just directed the show, and only half the episodes.
He’s not writing this thing tho. He’s the director. He decide how shots and scenes should look and telling people what to do
@@Xanegoh He doesn't write ANYTHING for goodness sakes
He doesn't write at all. The only two films he's written was Edward Scissorhands and the 2012 Frankenweenie (and some miscellaneous claymation shorts). He's most likely just directing this show for the paycheck. Man's gotta eat. And I still consider him to be a fantastic director even if I disagree with some of the costume designing, writing, and CGI of some of his films because those aren't his involvements.
When I saw an edit of Wesnday throwing the piranhas and as SOON as the guy uttered the word "freak" I knew I wouldn't watch this show. I knew that it was gonna be another show filled with school stereotypes
I wanted Wednesday to fill her side of the window with black and white filter things, to combat Enid's colors but it was just glass I was so upset!
Same and I wanted her to have her room decorated after a strange opposite but sorta equal to Enids side
I remember saying this to my mom about how I disliked Wednesday, I called her a marry sue, despite all her flaws, being horribly rude and whiney everyone around her accepts her and the one that don’t are stereotypical bullys, she’s rude and her sense of everything makes it seem like she’s better than everyone, and she somehow is?!?! She’s amazing at fencing, chello, fighting, and crime solving. It reminds me of a story I’d see on watpad where the writer is trying to promise the main character isn’t a marry sue.
Felt like a that’s so Raven reboot.
Wow, a That's So Raven reboot would actually be rad.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 well there is the continuation “Ravens Home” but yeah it’s not the same.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 They did it's called Raven's Home.
@@icecreamhero2375 That show doesn't make sense without Raven and Chelsea falling in love after their respective divorces. Too much for Disney?
@@falconeshield Actually Raven Symone didn't want the character of Raven Baxter to be a lesbian because she is a fictional character and not the real her. It would be cool to see though.
(Spoilers)
Wednesday in this show is definitely a Mary sue. She barely makes mistakes (aside from jailing Xavier) and she fits the “edgy goth oc” archetype perfectly. She reminds of Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way from My Immortal in that sense.
Edit: Also it feels like Wednesday has no common sense. I know suspension of disbelief and all, but why she didn’t she start throwing hands with Tyler (or whatever the Hyde’s name is) in the police station when he confessed and start running away? (There was also a police officer working at a desk DIRECTLY IN FRONT IF THEM and yet she doesn’t hear wtf????)
I wish the monsters weren't just people. It was really obvious that they ddin't have the budget to animate more scenes like Enid's transformation
I thought Wednesday was....ok.
Wednesday was pretty obnoxious but every once and a while she said something funny.
I think you're right about this originally being a teen mystery show that had the Addams Family brand slap on it. Maybe a goth teen is sent to a snooty preppie boarding school where she solves murders and/or fights monsters. And she has problems with her mom who's a rich (insert job here) who wants her daughter to wear white instead of black.
Also I'm a sucker for werewolves, so I really liked Enid's story arc. Need more of that in season 2.
Also sunglasses girl was supposed to be a vampire? I thought she was blind.
all the vampires wear sunglasses because their eyes are sensitive to light thats why in ep 1 there is a table full of them just sitting there looking at enid for a sec
@@satan3862 Didn't notice that. I remember only seeing one girl wearing sunglasses.
@@joerogers9413 ok now i wonder if you forgot the scene where yoko was painting cause if you don't it makes me wonder what you were thinking about a blind person painting lol
@@satan3862 Must of missed that. : )
I guess she wasn't blind (unless the blind girl painting was supposed to be a joke.)
@@joerogers9413 yeah ok it was a scene of like 2 sec very easy to miss
7:19 If I remember correctly Gomez in the other versions has to some extent super speed, reflexes and coordination (I say to some extent because in the first movie he was cut by the villain's minion so a normal human could still reach him). I feel like they were able to include that and still have him lose the fight in the flashback by saying that the bad guy attacked him off guard or managed to hit him severely etc.
The actor could've lost some pounds. Gomez is hot. He always was since the og to Raul Julia. An older Gomez was fine, but not like that. Where's his fencing skills?
@@falconeshield No, the OG Gomez wasn't hot, because OG Gomez is the comic one, lol. And this actor fits the look of the OG. You can disagree with that choice, but it's a valid one.
When you said that everything you talked about so far has all happened in the first episode. That made me feel so tired, my energy dropped like a rock.
Minor note: "precognitive" is seeing the future, Wednesday would have "postcognitive" powers for seeing into the past
i thought it was both? didn't she saw eugene getting attacked and showed up just after the attack meaning she was running to find while he was getting attacked
so she got the vision before he got attacked by seeing into the future
@@satan3862 I've actually not seen the show (for many reasons, I don't get into it because I don't want to argue with people online) so if she did indeed see the attack beforehand, then ye, that would be precognitive, in which case she would be both.
I only put that note because in the video they only mentioned Wednesday seeing the attack after it happened, they didn't mention seeing it before it happened
@@JayskaTeag fair enough
Past seeing is called retrocognition.
She does both, which I guess would be... circumcognitive? Amphicognitive?
Ooh I love your theory! It would totally check out if they were competing with Monster High in the initial stages. The execs would know pretty quickly that a new IP couldn’t compete with an established one so they’d paint it over with an even more popular IP and add as many famous names to the cast as they could. And it clearly worked, because even though the show is mid literally everyone is talking about it.
This show feels exactly like reading a fanfic written by a teenager
I honestly think it was good, not perfect or a masterpiece, but still good. That being said, I’ll still respect your opinion on this.
Thank you for being respectful! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
This show doesn’t feel like it was made by Tim Burton, it feels like a Tumblr user was asked to make a show that feels like Tim Burton.
@Johnny Rocket i'm so tired of reading this same question ._.
@Johnny Rocket Yes
If Wednesday is transferred to a school...I wish Pugsley is also transferred with her despite of their grade level so that they can have a sibling companionship just like in the previous Addams Family media.
Like if Pugsley is getting bullied and Wednesday saves him from a toxic environment, they know exactly that the school they were attending is a toxic environment so their parents have an idea to transfer both of them to let them thrive in a safer system.
Its just Morticia and Gomez needs to do more justice in character with being more supportive and Wednesday admires her parents for being supportive and being whole as a family.
Instead of Wednesday's issues, it is just her trying to protect her brother. I just hate Wednesday being mean to everyone like it is out of of character. Sure she is sassy but not going to extremes.
I just really hope the Addams family have more screen time and interaction.
My head Canon is that these are just Wednesday fanfiction of herself when she starts reading YA novels
I have literally only seen the dance meme, but it was set to a cello cover of Enter Sandman. With literally no dialog, just dancing and music, I was like "This is a very weird take on the Addams Family. I might skip this one." Glad to see I made the right choice! I will 100% support your tinfoil theory of "it wasn't actually an Addams family property to start with" because, as you pointed out, it wouldn't be the first time the industry went "we have to get our own out, before all the market share is scooped up!" Also, it's funny that Wednesday is super good at super everything she does, except when the audience sees her do it. Like, yeah, she knows all this information, and she's a super talented fencer, but then she can't figure out the murdered despite being incredibly intelligent, and she can't dodge a statue despite flying around as a master of wire-fu? It all seems very tonally inconsistent. Great review, can't wait for the next video ^.^
The kidnapped scene was probably the most Wednesday Addams scene in the show.
You never mentioned the Adult Wednesday Addams youtube series by Melissa Hunter. She was forced to stop and wipe her content (it's been re-uploaded by others), but I assumed it inspired this show. I didn't know about Monster High, but I've been aware of the rivalry thing ever since Michael and City of Angels came out so close together, so that makes sense. Perhaps Netflix felt awkward about having a vampire main character so close to cancelling First Bite?
It looks like the Wednesday cast had a lot of fun, at least... the plague dance notwithstanding.
She should've been part of the UA-cam Red/Reel projects like Cobra Kai was. It's stupid no one backed her up when the only streaming content came from Hulu, Netflix and YT till 2017.
So excited when I saw draculara in the thumbnail
Throughout this video I found myself frequently imagining a show where Wednesday Addams, macabre nerd, goes to a normal high school and befriends several people with interests as off-beat as her own. Like, a Sengoku Jidai history nerd, and a Bionicle nerd or Gundam Model nerd, and a Tolkien nerd, and a marine life documentary nerd, etc. And then maybe they have to combine their separate brands of weird and specific trivia knowledge to overcome some challenge, like an actual interesting mystery, or a trivia contest whose prize money will let them keep their school club or something. Seems more interesting than just another monster school thing.
Of course, the downside of something like that being attempted is how easily it's character writing would fall into stereotypical doldrums if the writing staff didn't have people with those actual interests involved. And even then the Addams Family stuff would probably still feel tacked-on. God forbid she ends up as unlikeable as she did in the show we actually got.
as someone who never even really had THAT much exposure to the addams family outside of general cultural knowledge, i always figured the point of tellings stories involving the family was their interactions with ""normal"" people/situations. which made the whole monster school murder mystery thing feel really... out of place? i would've much preferred to see your version of a wednesday-centric series about her just navigating high school and friendship and essentially coming of age
I'm starting to believe that making a faithful adaptation or reboot of anything in this day and age is just not possible. Somewhere along the way we must have lost the thing that allowed us to make good TV. Whatever it was, I hope we find it again someday. I miss how TV and movies used to be.
I liked Wednesday. Things that didn't make sense *usually* weren't too distracting for me. The only one that was distracting was the Gomez-murder plot point and how it contradicted the show's macabre sense of humour.
What did annoy me was how the show tried to push this romance subplot with characters that had no chemistry, especially Tyler. The fact that Wednesday was very clear in her intentions of using him for a car and only ever talked about her investigation, I found it incredibly stupid that there could be any romance whatsoever. (Also the fact that this Wednesday gave me big aroace vibes, but as far as I know that is purely headcanon)
And the CGI monster was hilariously bad. I could never take it seriously because whenever it appeared I just started laughing.
The main thing that kept me watching was the mystery and, obviously, Jenna Ortega
I really liked the show, but I agree that it's not the Adams family. This is just people taking a franchise and making what they want with the characters (Something of which I hate). This didn't have to be the Adams Family.
Thank you. I’ve been really frustrated that no one seems to see all the issues with this show. Everyone is just blindly obsessed with it for seemingly no other reason than the fact that Jenna Ortega is a good actress.
And because, let's be honest, being goth is trendy nowadays. I've lost the count of how many "normiec girls are now goth in Instagram.
What I really hate about this show is that it's not even funny. Wednesday is supposed to be the character with the funny one liners but she was more annoying than funny. The one time I laughed was because of Uncle Fester.
Only half way through the show, but I honestly believe it should've been 'Wednesday and Pugsley'. Wednesday still could've been the leading character, but both she and Pugsley would've been sent to the school.
I agree, I don’t get why he’s not there. Maybe he’ll come in a season 3 of the show
@@growingupwithdisney he's also younger than Wednesday and is weak and pathetic, and that bothers me because Pugsley was never characterized by that. He was always the hardier of the Addams children. He should have been the 'muscle' to Wednesday's 'brains'.
Puglsey could totally go to a Monster school and fit in. Have you seen the things his sister puts him through that he still survives? He's gotta be immortal, or so hard to kill it makes no difference.
The Goo Goo Muck is never, in any circumstance, a downgrade. Other than that, pretty spot on.
26:25 Okay to be fair, she grew up with GOMEZ as her father. Gomez, the man who fences daily and always wins. Gomez, the man who can flip through book pages and retain the information perfectly in about 10 seconds. Gomez, the man who snagged MORTICIA and is literally the perfect husband. He is amazing at golf, fencing, literature and business, it only makes sense he passed some of that down to Wednesday
I liked the show because it was actually watchable, fun, and unique unlike like all the Riverdale clones that are popping up.
I 100% agree Wednesday was out of character. I didn't mind her being a brat because the show was her learning how to be around other people and make friends, but I COULD NOT STAND her strangely drawing the line at murder. Like, her looking at the Hyde and the one teacher lady and being like: you are bad and I am the good guy.
No. She would hate the Hyde because "huff, you don't even murder because you like it. How boring." And the teacher lady " you know, the whole nice teacher schtick never suited you. Where I respect your desire to destroy our interests collide so I will have to stop you." And Mr fire and brimstone preacher would be " I like your style, but as you murdered my ancestor I now have personal stakes in this so now you must die "
They could have added logic that kept in line with her character. Wednesday doesn't have to be a hero. But they wanted to make her one, and her happily taking that place isn't like her. Wednesday would want to be right, she would want to win the game
She would not bother to save the day, however.
Also, the monster design of the Hyde was awful. So, so bad.
They should’ve had Wednesday would admire them and want to learn about it all to see how they did it yet still didn’t get caught. Along the way the Hyde starts to hurt people she cared about (first Eugene, then Thing), and she starts to question if murder is actually as good as she thinks
While almost all of the people playing the Addams family are at least passible. I still have a problem with the actor playing Gomez. He may look the part of the early Gomez. But he just seems way too reserved and lacks the energy Gomez has. The guy that is affectionate to his family one minute. Then wants to backflip onto a table and fence with someone the next just for the hell of it.
Definitely have to agree, this day in age there would be a huge line of people wanting to date Wednesday, she’d be beating them off with a stick.
Also feel the makers missed the point of the Addams family, having the gothic and creepy family be a drastic contrast to the normal happy go lucky American family. Having her in with another gothic discount monster high setting doesn’t leave much to contrast and as such she doesn’t stand out as much as she should. Then just having slapping on another, boarding school mystery that’s been done before. Doesn’t add much.
They could have done far more to make Wednesday likable while having her dry wit and Macabre nature. Instead of just making her insufferably unlikable.
What’s funny about Enid is that she genuinely cares for Wednesday, is first introduced to us with a shirt that has the lesbian flag colors and rainbow nails, managed to get Wednesday to wear cat ears, and they still tried to give Enid a boyfriend
maybe she's hinted to actually being Bi?
The biggest problem is that my boy Eugene wasn’t the true main character. It’s such a shame that a god like character like Eugene got sidelined for the B-plot.
Your memes at the end will always be my favorite part
The thing that bothers me the most is how everyone comes to the conclusion of "oh wow wednesday addams literally shit talk about us and the things that we like, she must love us and i will get angry if she doesnt" like seriously, wednesday bothers me abnormally but everyone just acts like she was a nice person with all of them when she really doesnt
To quote myself once I finished the show, “Wednesday isn’t a show about a school full of magic students, it’s a a show about a school whose students happen to be magical.”
The freestyle dance instructor edit killed me holy shit
I think the “outcast” school setting would have worked better if Morticia and Gomez were more involved in the school, like as founders or integral staff/donators.
They could have even been professors of “human integration”, but most of their understanding or “normies” are comically incorrect. They’re genuinely interested in understanding and getting along with normies, even if they still can’t quite understand them despite their “expertise” after living amongst them for many years, which could even be uncommon for most outcasts.
Then we would have more of the family together, as they should be, and they could still be the quirky close knit family that sticks out even among the other outcasts, while still being respected.
to me, wednesday is a good show, just not that good and overrated. my biggest complain about the show is the cliched plots, the mystery, and the cgi. what i hate about the mystery is that it was really easy to know who the culprit, even scooby-doo still sometimes fool me with who the culprit really is and the show is supposed to be a mystery show and the cgi, i seriously thought i was the only one who thought the hyde was one of the ugliest monster cgi out there, i immediately laughed when i saw the monster, i also don't like how they made the monster brutally kills their victims, but their wounds are not that brutal, i also really hate the werewolf cgi. i also could inda stand wednesday because i kinda like emo characters, but while watching the show, i do sometimes think that she is annoying. i totally agree with you that the show shouldn't be a mystery show (sorry if my english is bad)
Finally someone said that Wednesday gives off Monster High vibes lmao
One nitpick I have: how much Jenna’s skin tone varies in each scene. You can obviously tell when they are digitally making her paler (her under eyes look blurry). Kinda problematic. They could have made her grayer instead of whiter. Additionally, it’s super inconsistent. Some scenes shes paler than a character, then the next shes tanner. It’s hard to ignore once you notice it and it’s annoying
Why is this show, giving off such strong “My Immortal” vibes?
So those complaints in twitter about the black girl being a bully is all untrue. Because she's just retaliating at the obnoxious, rich Latina girl.
Agreed! I can totally see this being a Monster High type show with the Addams Family name slapped onto it. That's definitely what threw me.
At first I was confused about why I liked the movie Wednesday but didn't like the show Wednesday, because at first glance they seem identical. But the key is that 1, Movie Wednesday was actually funny and 2, they always had it coming as well as the fact that the movies don't take her behavior super seriously like in the show. Movie Wednesday doesn't have a sad backstory to excuse her actions because that would imply her actions need excusing.
The show turned a character quirk into a flaw she can never fully overcome because her character has been built around it.
I absolutely despise the Wednesday show. I’ve loved the Addams Family since I was a little kid, and this was the most frustrating perversion of the source material. I hate that this was so many people’s introduction to these characters, because it missed the point so completely and misrepresented everything so badly. Anyways, this video was refreshing to see.
i hate this show but what i hate more is its super popular and overrated.
I don’t think you can really tell a serious story with the Addams Family. Their setup was always meant for comedic purposes and taking them out of that just feels wrong.
Yeah this show was just offnesive to me as an Addams Family fan. It just takes everything that makes Addams Family good is taken out and replaced by modern popular shit like school drama and magic.
I feel like the answer to why should we route for Wednesday is she’s played by Jenna Ortega
I don't think this version of Wednesday hates her parents, especially her mother. More like she resents her mother because deep down she knows they have a lot in common and she's determined to be her own person, not a reflection of her mother. That's why she sneers at her mother and then indulges in the same things she enjoys. She has immense respect for her father, and even stated that he was "twice the man" when speaking to one of the villains. Wednesday is definitely going through her angst phase, exacerbated by her macabre persona, but that's not hate for her parents, it's just good ole teenage resentment.
This whole "adolescent angst phase" cliché is really getting old though.... It's just tiring at this point, and i mean come on, not every teens hates their parents. GOD FORBID writers allow a young person trust and seek out their parents when they're struggling internally, especially with this particular material, when the whole point of the Addams Family in the first place is that they work as a close family unit
Tim Burton was PERFECT for an Addams family television show........BUT HOW COULD HE SCREW UP WEDNESDAY SO BAD?!?
My take on the character was that she is trying to be dark and edgy but she is just a normal girl. I would say flat out half of everything she says is completely untrue. She loves her parents, and I don't think she even does any of the 'evil' sounding stuff she talks about. The opening fish thing is actually weird, because it is one of the few times she ever follow throughs with actually hurting anyone. Without it, it would seem like she is entirely a poser and would never harm a person.
Netflix completely missed the point. I think, an emotionally healthy Wednesday in a school full of ducked up teenagers would have been a literal equivalent to what the original Addams family was back in the day.
To me, the show is like, fine enough, but man did I hate that finale. I have so many issues with it
3:27 it’s mostly because she’s beautiful tbh. I know plenty of “unattractive,” quiet kids who wear all black and have no friends because of it
Nothing to do with clothes and everything to do with personality and looks.
Whether middle school, high school, or whatever else in adulthood, confidence gets you a lot of places along with sociability over skills. I've gotten away with a lot of shit because of it. Putting stats into charisma is key if you ain't hot.
This show feels like Tim Burton's 2nd shot at Miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children rather than The addams family.
This is just a reskin of that one show with a teen girl who was mixed with different creatures and was a garden tool at a special school for monster kids which reminds me of the x men cartoon I watched in the 90s.
I knew this show was going to be shit and was going to be a spoiled teenage girl drama. Addams Family was added for brand recognition and aesthetic. Nothing else. Thank for you confirming all of my assumptions.
I have two issues with Wednesday (the show): Wednesday (the character) has no weakness outside of not having all the information yet, and Gomez and Morticia don't act in love.
Wednesday as a character would have been so much more interesting if she was only good at mental things like inventing, psychology, sleuthing, scaring people, etc., while being terrible at physical things like running, combat, and feats of strength. In this one change, her verbal bouts and intimidation become preventative cover for her inability to hold her own in a fight. Her constant need to rely on others without getting close to them is because she really can't do some things, so she needs to rely on someone like Enid to use her werewolf strength (and she also wants to trust people and have friends she just refuses to let herself be vulnerable). It would also be a subversion of the typical tomboy-ish junior detective protagonist and follows established canon of Wednesday preferring to destroy her enemies with a carefully laid plan, rather than a direct confrontation. This is probably the first time we've seen Wednesday throw a punch. If you need her to be in a fight, it should be her using the environment to outwit her opponents, rather than "I learned Kung-Fu from my uncle").
Every time Gomez and Morticia are on screen, it seems like they're keeping an unnatural distance from each other. Every expression of love felt like it was waiting for someone to yell "action", and Gomez in particular seemed to be rather lacking in passion. He looked at Morticia like she was his on-screen wife, not like she was his divine inspiration, his very heart, his reason to live, do die, and to kill! Young Gomez was good, but something about modern Gomez just made me feel uncomfortable.
(also, I agree it's weird that they claim Wednesday is "black and white", drop the pale makeup halfway through, and also mention she is both of Native and Mexican heritage. And Ajax is an actual Greek name, it probably would have been weird to be a gorgon called Perseus or something.)
I remmeber one of the Adams Family movies having Wednesday and her brother were sent to summer camp.
That movie was a much better portrayal of the Adams and Wednesday than this one could ever hope to be.
People are starting to forget what good films and tv shows consist of… the amount of cringe in the first episode was too much for me.
agreed with p much everything lol good video
ps: noticed the ccs background music!