Your timing is impeccable. I have been watching TTWT for about 8 months now and am just about to invest in my first tractor (1025R). The JD dealer explained the MSL to me and I've watched many of your videos showing the challenges with leveling the bucket and forks. I anxiously await the completion of your MSL comparison but have little doubt I would purchase a non-MSL loader at this point. Thanks for all you do in helping us new-bees learn about using a 1025R. Praying for your health. God bless.
Tim, keep up the great work! I’m glad you’ve got a handle on your health and are doing well. Looking forward to seeing the videos with that new loader!
Tim....your reviews have helped me "zero in" on my upcoming tractor and attachments needs. My dealer had been very impressed with my new found knowledge and questions. I told him....."Tim has been my instructor!"
Tim, I learned the non- self leveling, loader lessons, with a open station skid loader. Loading sloppy pig manure! Will NEVER, forget that lesson!!!! I can now manage, my own leveling. Everybody needs to have that experience, once.
I’m excited about this new video series on the MSL. I am very soon ordering a 1025R with loader and backhoe and am waiting for the rest of your great videos on the loader, to finalize what exactly to order. FYI, I have been watching your fantastic channel for weeks now. Great before bed entertainment and learning going on here. My wife just smiles and says “Tractor Tim again?” And I say “yep”. Thanks Tim and Christie.
im a city boy. never touched a tractor, but i do like to watch all the gadgets and accessories you can use on a tractor...videos like this one is pure gold
It is a bit confusing but the reason an MSL can lift more than an NSL is because the MSL mechanism actually lowers the height of the load compared to an NSL while the boom is being raised. I'm sure everyone reading this is wondering why does raising the actual load less impact how much you can lift? I'm struggling to find an easy way to explain this but here is my attempt: One way to confirm this is to consider conservation of energy. When something is raised it gains potential energy. E=mgh (mass x gravity x height). If the height is reduced the energy required to raise it must be less. However, in our case the hydraulic system, cylinders, etc. doesn't change (potential energy input is equal), so something needs to compensate to end up with the same maximum amount of energy. With the h reduced, gravity constant, the only thing that can change is m increasing to end up with the same amount of energy. While that confirms we can raise more weight it isn't very intuitive. Another way to think of this is to imagine some kind of mechanism or lever that helps reduce the force required to raise something. The simplest is a lever pivoting at one end, your weight attached somewhere along the level and you attempting to lift at the far end of the lever. Imagine the case where the weight is attached halfway along the level. Lifting at the end of the lever you benefit from the leverage and only have to produce a force equal to ½ the weight. At the same time the weight only moves ½ as much vertically as it would if attached where you are lifting. Any mechanism that geometrically changes the rate and distance something moves proportionally changes the force required. If the weight moves faster and farther, the input force required increases. If the weight moves shower and less distance, the input force required reduces. In this case the MSL linkages geometrically reduce the vertical distance the load moves so less input force is required. If the input force is identical (same hydraulic pressure, piston diameter, etc) then how much weight you can lift increases. I'm sure there is a better way to explain this but I can't think of it right now.
I am impressed by how thorough your reviews are. Here's what I like, here is what I think should be different, here is what i learned, oh, and here is a mistake I made, and stuff like that (wink)... Awesome.
Great job Tim (and Christy too) - I really appreciate your entire series - just a ton of information for us soon to be tractor owners. I had planned on purchasing the MSL loader but was a bit confused as to actual working capacity. The self -leveling sounds really appealing but I was confused when I saw the actual specs. and the NSL had over a 200 lb.+ greater lifting capacity at the pin but the MSL has a 160 lb. + lifting capacity at about 20" from the pin. Your series couldn't come at a better time to help me with my decision on the MSL vs. NSL as I plan on purchasing by mid October. Thanks Tim and blessings to you and your family.
Thanks for doing this Tim. I took a gamble and have been waiting weeks for my 1025r with the MSL with at least 4 more to go. Now I'm getting the sense that the MSL isn't all it's cracked up to be. Can you spill the beans on this i.e. Is the spec'd lifting capacity realized in real world usage, and if so is the increased capacity worth the trade-off on the breakout force. If I read between the lines I'm guessing the answer is no. We all promise to watch all the videos in the series if you tip your hat on this. :-) Keep up the good work.
Am I missing something you've discussed already, but I've noticed that there's no 'cheeseburger bite' from your animation introduction... continuing to love your videos - well done Tim and Christy !!!
Great comparison Tim, I sure wish we were closer, I don't have enough weights to do a true lift capacity comparison. I will do a video on my thoughts once my 220R MSL gets here, hopefully within the next week to ten days. I have started taking measurements and pics of the NSL, hopefully that will help.
Great info and intro. Looks like the base boom arm that attaches (locks) into the tractor is the same with the exception of the added height for the MSL arm to attach to it, and that additional leverage created MAY provide for the answer of the additional lift capacity; however, like you said, moving the pin back/up further away from the bucket.... well seems like that would reduce capacity..... I haven't even been able to see one up close yet, so a big "Thank You!" for getting this out to us. As for cost, again I'll have to agree, seems like a great value (especially the new metal cover).
Planning to order a 2038R with MSL this fall. Deere claims a SIGNIFICANT increase in lift capacity for the 220R MSL loader - from 803lbs to 1377lbs!! Seems almost too good to be true! I’m anxious to see your results with the 120R. 🚜💪
Speculation is that those measurements are at different points. 803 pounds is 500mm in front of the pin, the guess is that the 1377 pounds is at the pin. If they reduce by the same percentage, the MSL still would lift any 1000 pounds, which is a great increase. If it actually lifts 1377 p ounds at 500mm, that's 3 series territory and would be fantastic
Really looking forward to the rest of the video series. I just ordered a new 1025R 2 weeks ago and my MSL is scheduled to arrive this week up in Manitoba Canada. Really looking forward to using it.
Hey Tim, great job with the review. I had a 1026R which I loved, would have enjoyed a SLL but it wasn’t an option then. BTW - I live in Australia, SL loaders are only mandatory in the workplace, there’s many out there on private properties that aren’t self leveling. Craig.
Nice to see Deere is trying to keep up with stuff. They have always been innovative and competitive with other brands, except on prices. Hope you are feeling better with your stint and the family is in good health. I'm keeping you all in my prayers.
Super helpful Tim. I'm an orange owner, but enjoy seeing the green experience. We'll see if orange follows suit. All the best and congratulations on the new shed.
"Amazing viewers" Yes. That's because the content and the character of you, your family and friends. You provide us with wholesome content in a time when most everything available is just trash. As always thanks!
This should be a good series on the MSL in the JD world. We are looking to add a compact tractor to complement our older Kubota and our big JD tractor lawn mower. We like both brands so I am always interested in what you, Neil Messick, Tractor Mike and Great Works Tractor have to say so we can make the decision that makes the most sense for our particular situation. Keep up the good work and I am glad you are feeling better. I am around the same age as you so just like an older tractor I need more maintenance than when I was newer. Lol lol
Great video Tim! I dont have a self leveling loader on my 6R but I've ran a loader enough that I can "feather " the hydraulics enough to basically make it like a self leveling loader. I have no problems doing this. I could have gotten a self leveling loader when I bought the tractor but the standard loader was already 10k and I didn't price a self leveling loader.
I contacted my local dealer about possibly trading my NSL for a MSL on my 2019 2025r, and they said it was not available for anything newer than 2017 which really didnt make any sense to me. I would love to upgrade to the MSL for many of the reasons you mentioned here. Thanks for another great review!
Noticed the hole where your handle is mounted has more meat around it than the NSL. I use it to chain my steering wheel to. Already e-mailed my dealer. Ready to upgrade.
Tim I believe you n Cristy are the awesome ones! Hence the audience!! Great review 👍. It's always exciting to see new stuff. I didn't even know the loader was out. That's what makes your channel the advantage for me and why it's so great!! Thank you Tim I sure hope the health returns don't know what would do without. No tv for me only ttwt😊.. thank you Tim
One thing about the MSL vs NSL capacities... The higher capacities for the MSL versions are at what I call a "real world" measurement. Specifically, the specs are at the "500 mm ahead of the bucket pivot pins" position (for compact tractors, 800 mm on bigger tractors). I think of this as the capacity with a load in the bucket or on other FEL attachments like pallet forks or a grapple, etc. Oddly, if you look at the "pivot pin" specs on MSL vs NSL FELs, the MSL version is usually just slightly lower than the NSL version. I'm guessing this reduction in capacity is really due to the extra weight of the MSL components. As you've surmised, this extra "real world" lifting capacity is achieved due to some kind of mechanical advantage imparted into the system by the MSL linkage. If anyone is interested, I found a published dissertation paper (PDF) this topic: Dynamic, Continuous, and Center of Gravity ... - KLUEDOkluedo.ub.uni-kl.de › files › Dissertation_Frederic_Ballaire. Note that the author is, I think, German but the main text of the paper is in English. Also note that the paper is highly technical and loaded with all kinds of mechanical equations used to describe the forces imparted to the load being carried in the FEL's bucket (that 500 or 800 mm ahead of the bucket pivot pins specification).
The 4 series tractor I have came with a lot of ¨bells and whistles¨ but unfortunately not with MSL. They surely are nice. I didn’t realize that the lift capacity is higher. Interesting, and I look forward to your testing and opinions in the next videos. Blessings to you and Christy.
Oh, I want to point out the Australian hydraulic contraption isn't a self levelling function. It just limits the curl of the bucket, so as you lift the boom the bucket slowly dumps so you don't lose your load.
Thanks again for the info Tim! Just curious, what is the weight difference between the two loaders? Also can you still adust the leveling of the the loader or is it mechanically locked to always remain level? I have hills on my property and sometimes I need to adjust the bucket or pallet forks to maintain a load safely. Again, I appreciate all you and the Mrs do for all of your viewers! I know you have helped me tremendously! God Bless you and your family.
My dealer has these in stock, and I'm picking up my tractor tomorrow or day after but I can still get a MSL. What would you recommend for a rookie? Same quick attach? Thanks Tim!
I see you used the pictures of my Australian Burder MSL loader fitted to my 1025R ( bought in 2014) , there are 2 other manufacturers of MSL loaders for SCUT here in Australia, they are Challenger and Howard. Also as you can see my loader is fitted with a 4 in 1 bucket, here 4 in 1 buckets are basically standard equipment and standard buckets are a lesser priced option. I have yet to see a grapple over here. Regards John
@@TractorTimewithTimHi Tim. I am waiting with baited breath to see the comparison, there are so many misconceptions out there about the differences in the abilities between the 2 loaders. Some people have an unfounded prejudice against MSL loaders. Regards John
Kubota currently offers a MSL for the B-series but not the BX series but you can bet they will at some point. JD and Kubota seem to keep leap frogging each other with features.
hay Tim can you over ride or still curl up to pre load the forks if you are lifting some thing that you know needs to be loaded for stability of like a prety heavy tool box with these self levelers
@@TractorTimewithTim depends on which state you live in but it’s not technically against the law to have a NSL loader. Our loaders have to have a Rollback elimination system and that’s just easier to be incorporated into a MSL.
Will Christy be using her editing skills to show Tim side by side with Tim using both bucket loaders like a previous video? Looking forward to the comparisons.
If I'm hearing you correctly between the lines the old bucket won't fit on the new loader quick attach, making all your old attachments (forks etc.) obsolete?
Not at all. The quick attach is compatible. It is built a bit heavier on the back side. I mentioned that we will be using the exact same bucket on each for the lift capacity testing.
Hey Tim, Here's a photo of my 120R with the Hydraulic levelling. I've had no issues with it, but the loader isn't used that much. And the dealer himself said you can just unbolt the device. i.imgur.com/rfYLnBF.jpg
Tim your word usage is in my opinion is off. You stated the ‘self leveling’ foes not move as you lift or lower. When it fact it moves constantly as you lift and lower! It must move in order to maintain the same orientation
Hey Tim, while you mentioned the cost difference between the two if new, you didn’t mention the cost to trade your old 120R for the new MSL 120R. Any idea what what that might be? Seems like there would not be much of a market for used 120R NSL devices. Glad to hear your health has improved.
How dare you wear a ventrac shirt during a Deere review..... Lol..... Tim this show needs to be taken to next level... Thinking Tv series show... Maybe A&E, HGTV, I dunno.
You just need to find a dry humor sidekick wearing flannel to say "I don't think so Tim" every time you say something witty...... Spin off show of Tool time
Grear job Tim, anxiously awaiting the rest of the series.
Your timing is impeccable. I have been watching TTWT for about 8 months now and am just about to invest in my first tractor (1025R). The JD dealer explained the MSL to me and I've watched many of your videos showing the challenges with leveling the bucket and forks. I anxiously await the completion of your MSL comparison but have little doubt I would purchase a non-MSL loader at this point. Thanks for all you do in helping us new-bees learn about using a 1025R. Praying for your health. God bless.
Tim, keep up the great work! I’m glad you’ve got a handle on your health and are doing well. Looking forward to seeing the videos with that new loader!
Tim....your reviews have helped me "zero in" on my upcoming tractor and attachments needs. My dealer had been very impressed with my new found knowledge and questions. I told him....."Tim has been my instructor!"
Tim, I learned the non- self leveling, loader lessons, with a open station skid loader. Loading sloppy pig manure! Will NEVER, forget that lesson!!!! I can now manage, my own leveling. Everybody needs to have that experience, once.
I’m excited about this new video series on the MSL. I am very soon ordering a 1025R with loader and backhoe and am waiting for the rest of your great videos on the loader, to finalize what exactly to order. FYI, I have been watching your fantastic channel for weeks now. Great before bed entertainment and learning going on here. My wife just smiles and says “Tractor Tim again?” And I say “yep”. Thanks Tim and Christie.
im a city boy. never touched a tractor, but i do like to watch all the gadgets and accessories you can use on a tractor...videos like this one is pure gold
Thanks for watching!
It is a bit confusing but the reason an MSL can lift more than an NSL is because the MSL mechanism actually lowers the height of the load compared to an NSL while the boom is being raised. I'm sure everyone reading this is wondering why does raising the actual load less impact how much you can lift?
I'm struggling to find an easy way to explain this but here is my attempt:
One way to confirm this is to consider conservation of energy. When something is raised it gains potential energy. E=mgh (mass x gravity x height). If the height is reduced the energy required to raise it must be less.
However, in our case the hydraulic system, cylinders, etc. doesn't change (potential energy input is equal), so something needs to compensate to end up with the same maximum amount of energy.
With the h reduced, gravity constant, the only thing that can change is m increasing to end up with the same amount of energy.
While that confirms we can raise more weight it isn't very intuitive.
Another way to think of this is to imagine some kind of mechanism or lever that helps reduce the force required to raise something. The simplest is a lever pivoting at one end, your weight attached somewhere along the level and you attempting to lift at the far end of the lever.
Imagine the case where the weight is attached halfway along the level. Lifting at the end of the lever you benefit from the leverage and only have to produce a force equal to ½ the weight. At the same time the weight only moves ½ as much vertically as it would if attached where you are lifting.
Any mechanism that geometrically changes the rate and distance something moves proportionally changes the force required. If the weight moves faster and farther, the input force required increases. If the weight moves shower and less distance, the input force required reduces.
In this case the MSL linkages geometrically reduce the vertical distance the load moves so less input force is required. If the input force is identical (same hydraulic pressure, piston diameter, etc) then how much weight you can lift increases.
I'm sure there is a better way to explain this but I can't think of it right now.
I am impressed by how thorough your reviews are. Here's what I like, here is what I think should be different, here is what i learned, oh, and here is a mistake I made, and stuff like that (wink)... Awesome.
Great job Tim (and Christy too) - I really appreciate your entire series - just a ton of information for us soon to be tractor owners. I had planned on purchasing the MSL loader but was a bit confused as to actual working capacity. The self -leveling sounds really appealing but I was confused when I saw the actual specs. and the NSL had over a 200 lb.+ greater lifting capacity at the pin but the MSL has a 160 lb. + lifting capacity at about 20" from the pin. Your series couldn't come at a better time to help me with my decision on the MSL vs. NSL as I plan on purchasing by mid October.
Thanks Tim and blessings to you and your family.
Thanks for doing this Tim. I took a gamble and have been waiting weeks for my 1025r with the MSL with at least 4 more to go. Now I'm getting the sense that the MSL isn't all it's cracked up to be. Can you spill the beans on this i.e. Is the spec'd lifting capacity realized in real world usage, and if so is the increased capacity worth the trade-off on the breakout force. If I read between the lines I'm guessing the answer is no. We all promise to watch all the videos in the series if you tip your hat on this. :-) Keep up the good work.
Am I missing something you've discussed already, but I've noticed that there's no 'cheeseburger bite' from your animation introduction... continuing to love your videos - well done Tim and Christy !!!
There is, or is not???? Yes, there should be a bite out of the cheeseburger in the dot on the i
Great comparison Tim, I sure wish we were closer, I don't have enough weights to do a true lift capacity comparison. I will do a video on my thoughts once my 220R MSL gets here, hopefully within the next week to ten days. I have started taking measurements and pics of the NSL, hopefully that will help.
Can’t wait to see your review of the 220R MSL!
Great info and intro. Looks like the base boom arm that attaches (locks) into the tractor is the same with the exception of the added height for the MSL arm to attach to it, and that additional leverage created MAY provide for the answer of the additional lift capacity; however, like you said, moving the pin back/up further away from the bucket.... well seems like that would reduce capacity..... I haven't even been able to see one up close yet, so a big "Thank You!" for getting this out to us. As for cost, again I'll have to agree, seems like a great value (especially the new metal cover).
Planning to order a 2038R with MSL this fall. Deere claims a SIGNIFICANT increase in lift capacity for the 220R MSL loader - from 803lbs to 1377lbs!! Seems almost too good to be true! I’m anxious to see your results with the 120R. 🚜💪
Speculation is that those measurements are at different points. 803 pounds is 500mm in front of the pin, the guess is that the 1377 pounds is at the pin. If they reduce by the same percentage, the MSL still would lift any 1000 pounds, which is a great increase. If it actually lifts 1377 p ounds at 500mm, that's 3 series territory and would be fantastic
Really looking forward to the rest of the video series. I just ordered a new 1025R 2 weeks ago and my MSL is scheduled to arrive this week up in Manitoba Canada. Really looking forward to using it.
Tim great review self leveling I would use when moving dirt a couple of close calls
God Bless
PaK
Great job! Very informative. I always learn something new from your videos.
Hey Tim, great job with the review. I had a 1026R which I loved, would have enjoyed a SLL but it wasn’t an option then. BTW - I live in Australia, SL loaders are only mandatory in the workplace, there’s many out there on private properties that aren’t self leveling. Craig.
"We must have the best viewers anywhere." ... Yes you do.
Nice to see Deere is trying to keep up with stuff. They have always been innovative and competitive with other brands, except on prices. Hope you are feeling better with your stint and the family is in good health. I'm keeping you all in my prayers.
Super helpful Tim. I'm an orange owner, but enjoy seeing the green experience. We'll see if orange follows suit. All the best and congratulations on the new shed.
Oh man! I just got my 1025R 3 months ago and now the MSL is coming out! Wish I had known about it!
Hope you are feeling better.
This video is about a year old and I got the 1025r less than a month ago. Wish I had know about this back then.
"Amazing viewers" Yes. That's because the content and the character of you, your family and friends. You provide us with wholesome content in a time when most everything available is just trash. As always thanks!
Thanks for the update Tim, as always love your videos and looking forward to the next.
This should be a good series on the MSL in the JD world. We are looking to add a compact tractor to complement our older Kubota and our big JD tractor lawn mower. We like both brands so I am always interested in what you, Neil Messick, Tractor Mike and Great Works Tractor have to say so we can make the decision that makes the most sense for our particular situation. Keep up the good work and I am glad you are feeling better. I am around the same age as you so just like an older tractor I need more maintenance than when I was newer. Lol lol
Great video Tim! I dont have a self leveling loader on my 6R but I've ran a loader enough that I can "feather " the hydraulics enough to basically make it like a self leveling loader. I have no problems doing this. I could have gotten a self leveling loader when I bought the tractor but the standard loader was already 10k and I didn't price a self leveling loader.
Great video Tim, I hope you are doing well and following doctors orders. Thanks for sharing
Doctor gave me green light to work as hard as I can!
I contacted my local dealer about possibly trading my NSL for a MSL on my 2019 2025r, and they said it was not available for anything newer than 2017 which really didnt make any sense to me. I would love to upgrade to the MSL for many of the reasons you mentioned here. Thanks for another great review!
Thats a great feature/upgrade! Thanks for letting us know!
Noticed the hole where your handle is mounted has more meat around it than the NSL. I use it to chain my steering wheel to. Already e-mailed my dealer. Ready to upgrade.
Tim I believe you n Cristy are the awesome ones! Hence the audience!! Great review 👍. It's always exciting to see new stuff. I didn't even know the loader was out. That's what makes your channel the advantage for me and why it's so great!! Thank you Tim I sure hope the health returns don't know what would do without. No tv for me only ttwt😊.. thank you Tim
Hope you're feeling better Tim.
One thing about the MSL vs NSL capacities... The higher capacities for the MSL versions are at what I call a "real world" measurement. Specifically, the specs are at the "500 mm ahead of the bucket pivot pins" position (for compact tractors, 800 mm on bigger tractors). I think of this as the capacity with a load in the bucket or on other FEL attachments like pallet forks or a grapple, etc. Oddly, if you look at the "pivot pin" specs on MSL vs NSL FELs, the MSL version is usually just slightly lower than the NSL version. I'm guessing this reduction in capacity is really due to the extra weight of the MSL components. As you've surmised, this extra "real world" lifting capacity is achieved due to some kind of mechanical advantage imparted into the system by the MSL linkage.
If anyone is interested, I found a published dissertation paper (PDF) this topic: Dynamic, Continuous, and Center of Gravity ... - KLUEDOkluedo.ub.uni-kl.de › files › Dissertation_Frederic_Ballaire. Note that the author is, I think, German but the main text of the paper is in English. Also note that the paper is highly technical and loaded with all kinds of mechanical equations used to describe the forces imparted to the load being carried in the FEL's bucket (that 500 or 800 mm ahead of the bucket pivot pins specification).
The measurements deere uses are 500 mm ahead of pin. Yes, the ‘at the pin’ measurements are useless! ...or worse! They are misleading.
I just bought a 1025r a little less than a year ago. Wish this would have been an option then. That thing looks awesome.
Interesting seeing the new features/products that are coming out for tractors.
The 4 series tractor I have came with a lot of ¨bells and whistles¨ but unfortunately not with MSL. They surely are nice. I didn’t realize that the lift capacity is higher. Interesting, and I look forward to your testing and opinions in the next videos. Blessings to you and Christy.
I so wish this was available 3 years ago! Think I can trade in my original for the MSL?
Yes.
Great option to have the self leveling loader for the sub-compacts!
Hi Tim, The Kubota LA535 loader used on the LX series also has a mechanical self leveling option.
Yep..B series and above.
Great Loader. Hope you are taking care of yourself.
Tim, Bobcat CT1025 has MSL in Australia (Also CT2035 & CT2040)
Glad you are feeling better and getting around. On another note, still waiting for your video on your 3rd option for the rear SCV.
Yea, working on it!! Sorry for delay!
@@TractorTimewithTim Thanks, wasn't sure if I missed it, I did a search and didn't find it, so glad it's still coming. Take care of yourself.
Another great review...I think this is a good move for JD. God bless.
Oh, I want to point out the Australian hydraulic contraption isn't a self levelling function. It just limits the curl of the bucket, so as you lift the boom the bucket slowly dumps so you don't lose your load.
Great video Tim, nice feature 😉. i miss my level indicator.... When you switch between bucket and palletvorks is the level the same or different
The additional lift capacity comes from the linkages, they provide additional lever to lift the bucket.
But we didn’t see that in real world tests...next episode.
Thanks again for the info Tim! Just curious, what is the weight difference between the two loaders? Also can you still adust the leveling of the the loader or is it mechanically locked to always remain level? I have hills on my property and sometimes I need to adjust the bucket or pallet forks to maintain a load safely. Again, I appreciate all you and the Mrs do for all of your viewers! I know you have helped me tremendously! God Bless you and your family.
It will tilt and curl.
Great. Thank you for the quick reply.
I'm excited to see this series of videos!
Hey Tim 🚜 🇺🇲 I hope you are doing well I believe I would want the self-leveling but then again I'll take either one have a great day 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
That sounds like a great 👍 👌 😀 unit to have on your tractor 🚜
My dealer has these in stock, and I'm picking up my tractor tomorrow or day after but I can still get a MSL. What would you recommend for a rookie? Same quick attach? Thanks Tim!
Wait till Tuesday after you see our lift capacity test to decide.
Tim you need a 2305....steel on the CX200 loader cross piece..... 😁
I see you used the pictures of my Australian Burder MSL loader fitted to my 1025R ( bought in 2014) , there are 2 other manufacturers of MSL loaders for SCUT here in Australia, they are Challenger and Howard. Also as you can see my loader is fitted with a 4 in 1 bucket, here 4 in 1 buckets are basically standard equipment and standard buckets are a lesser priced option. I have yet to see a grapple over here.
Regards John
Thanks John. Saw them on GTT, and enjoyed your comments there!
@@TractorTimewithTimHi Tim. I am waiting with baited breath to see the comparison, there are so many misconceptions out there about the differences in the abilities between the 2 loaders. Some people have an unfounded prejudice against MSL loaders. Regards John
Going to have to look into this. I like it.
That will be a great thing when you use the man lift.
I'm not sure if I heard wrong but I feel kubota offers the same kind of set up. I could be wrong but love the show keep up the awesome content!
Kubota currently offers a MSL for the B-series but not the BX series but you can bet they will at some point. JD and Kubota seem to keep leap frogging each other with features.
Kubota does not offer MSL on subcompact. They do offer it on larger tractors.
EOSJOE is right. Kubota does currently offer a mechanical self leveling loader for the kubota b series
Kubota does have mechanical self leveling on the LA535 fel used on the LX series
Hello Tim !!!!! How are you doing since your heart surgery - for now ????
hay Tim can you over ride or still curl up to pre load the forks if you are lifting some thing that you know needs to be loaded for stability of like a prety heavy tool box with these self levelers
You can curl/tilt...not sure I understand exactly what you mean.
Hi Tim!!! I see on your new bucket it has the same two holes in the top of it that mine does what are those for? Thanks.
BoltOnHooks.com. Use a chain on them to pick up something too large to fit in the bucket. Say, a stump, or a dishwasher, etc.
MSL loaders are the way to go!
You rarely ever see NSL loaders on new tractors in Australia.
...because it is the law!
@@TractorTimewithTim depends on which state you live in but it’s not technically against the law to have a NSL loader. Our loaders have to have a Rollback elimination system and that’s just easier to be incorporated into a MSL.
I wonder how it will work with a brush crusher grapple...
Not good in my opinion. But I am not a fan of the brush crusher anyway.
I thought Neal had a self leveling loader on a sub compact kubota but I cone wrong might have been a series bigger.
b series and larger.
Does John Deere do trade ins on the older loader towards the purchase of the self leveling loader?
Talk to your dealer, but yes.
Will Christy be using her editing skills to show Tim side by side with Tim using both bucket loaders like a previous video? Looking forward to the comparisons.
Ha! No. That would have been good!
@@TractorTimewithTim Too bad. Still looking forward to the next videos though.
Are the hard lines you reference the Deere "loader hose kit" that you would order with the 3rd function tractor hardware?
Yes. I think so.
@@TractorTimewithTim I've ordered both kits on my new tractor/loader. BXX10210 and BLV11156. 2025R
What is the base weight of NSL and MSL? Thanks
Good information
Do you plan on keeping the older loader and besides weight are the loader attachments interchangable from the 1 series up to the 4 series?
Yes, buckets interchangeable. I will eventually send the NSL back.
If I'm hearing you correctly between the lines the old bucket won't fit on the new loader quick attach, making all your old attachments (forks etc.) obsolete?
Not at all. The quick attach is compatible.
It is built a bit heavier on the back side.
I mentioned that we will be using the exact same bucket on each for the lift capacity testing.
Curious how this will work with Non-Hydraulic Grapples like the Brush Crusher
I doubt very good. Of course, I don't care much for the brush crusher anyway.
Does the MSL loader take a different single point connector than the NSL?
Same single point.
I'm super-curious ... what is your use case for that mast-mounted hook/loop thing?
I misspoke. It is a handle...to assist getting onto the tractor. Sorry about that!
@@TractorTimewithTim oh! That makes sense. Looks like it has a flat cross section. Is that the case?
Not quite. Check out other of our videos with the loader on the 1025r or 2038r to see it better
Does the Artillian pallet fork system work with the NSL?
Yes.
You're not planning on cutting back on the videos are you? I'm sensing a hint of "this may not last much longer" in some of the dialog.
No, that is not the intention.
The Kubota B 2301 and the 2601 have The option of a self leveling loader I know this because I have one
Yep. Introduced last year. Do you like it?
@@TractorTimewithTim Yes I do very much makes life a lot easier and safer
@@normanhadfield8518 I believe the lx2610 also has the option.
Looks pretty awesome!
The 120r MSL would look really nice on a 2025r with a cab
Great review Tim,👍..
Self levelling is mandatory on new machines here in Australia.
Yes
As I discussed at length in the video.
@@TractorTimewithTim Yes about 30 seconds after I posted! All good.
Tractor Time with Tim By any chance would you know the Australian manufacture?
Burder Titan.
Where do Cow Farts originate?
The Dairy Air!
I have a Deere 790 what loader from Deere will fit they tell me the newer loaders won't work
Likely not.
I wish I could do this with my hydo controls.
Hey Tim,
Here's a photo of my 120R with the Hydraulic levelling. I've had no issues with it, but the loader isn't used that much. And the dealer himself said you can just unbolt the device. i.imgur.com/rfYLnBF.jpg
I PERFER THE MSL TO THE NSL IT'S ALOT SAFER ESPECIALLY FOR BEGINNERS HAVE A DAY LOVE FROM TEXAS
Okay now waiting for Deere to come out with a retro kit for us guys without the coin to purchase a new almost same loader.
oh I see they are quite a bit different:-(
I discussed that in the video, showing how that likely will not happen.
Tim your word usage is in my opinion is off. You stated the ‘self leveling’ foes not move as you lift or lower. When it fact it moves constantly as you lift and lower! It must move in order to maintain the same orientation
Ok. You are correct. ...and so am I! All depends on perspective, right? Relative to the loader boom, or relative to the ground!
First guess is the with the JDQA being farther fwd, the capacity has to suffer!
It's not a factory installed option.
I sure wish there was a greater price difference. It may make the stock 120r difficult to sell.
I don’t think so...stay tuned!
Hey Tim, while you mentioned the cost difference between the two if new, you didn’t mention the cost to trade your old 120R for the new MSL 120R. Any idea what what that might be? Seems like there would not be much of a market for used 120R NSL devices. Glad to hear your health has improved.
No one knows at this point. I think the market may be better than any of us expect for NSL.
Stay tuned for the next two episodes. You’ll see why!!
Self-leveling isn't as much a necessity as a windshield protector or cab protector for the operator that's where they should have
Tim what is your contact ?
I need more information.
Ask on greentractortalk.com there is a thread (or 3) already started on this loader.
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Load shift ! waiting with baited breath!
Does whole video wearing a ventrac t-shirt. Savage Baller. - ha ha ha.
How dare you wear a ventrac shirt during a Deere review..... Lol..... Tim this show needs to be taken to next level... Thinking Tv series show... Maybe A&E, HGTV, I dunno.
Ha! I doubt we would fit in very well with the TV producers!
Quality programming is hard to find anymore
You just need to find a dry humor sidekick wearing flannel to say "I don't think so Tim" every time you say something witty...... Spin off show of Tool time
You look 👍 you have lost some weight, if you did,you look great 👍
Deere really should've changed the model name to make it less confusing. How hard would calling it 125R or 130R really be .......
This is consistent across the Deere line. You choose NSL or MSL for each model.