The D-Day logistics operation is a true marvel of project management. Engineering and the fighting aside... It is astounding how the allies managed to not only agree on an invasion site and strategy, but then to gather the necessary data to generate engineering requirements for the breakwaters and landings, test designs on their fluid dynamics (without computers), submit and gain approval for the budget, solicit and procure the final designs, allocate human resources to deploy the novel designs in theatre, develop training materials and service manuals, and everything else... All of this had to be done without leaking ANY of it to the Germans. This would be an amazing feat even without the covert element, but it is truly baffling how they pulled it off. What incredible teamwork,
That's what happens when you fight for something you truly believe in and know is good and right. I wish my generation could come together to fight for something good and right. There are certainly enough challenges in the world to rally to...
They made the LSTs in my hometown, Evansville, Indiana. About 10 years ago, LST 325 was repurchased from the Greek navy and sailed back across the Atlantic by a handful of WW2 veterans. It's now moored back in Evansville, and you can take a walk thru the 325 for about $10.
I am in awe of the engineering efforts required to produce these things. The war was obviously horrific, but the engineering required and outside-of-the-box thinking to pull off operations like Normandy is insane, even inspirational.
There is a reason so many of the technological innovations if the last 100 years come from the military (lots of reasons, probably). Necessity is the mother of invention. Also, more cynically, human beings take killing (and surviving) very seriously.
I am fascinated by this outside-the-box thinking of the high ranked officers even more, because normally the military folks are selected and drilled to follow rules and orders and act in more or less limited borders.
Sailor: "hey, why are all of the important equipment gone and we are setting sail?" Later, "Hey, why is there bombs in the hull?" Little bit later, *Demolition guy comes aboard* Sailor: "uhh ooh"
They didn't kill anyone. Well, not any of their own guys. They sank the ship in water that was just barely deep enough to sail in, they blew holes in the hull, they didn't blow up their crews.
@@hirdeshbajwa8906 yeah they weren't killed. It was a small explosion designed so that the ships would sink slowly so the crews could still support other vessels - they obviously got the men off the ships before they sank
Dude I hardly understand it, but for those first few seconds after he’s explained it I’m like “woahhhhhhhh” then proceed to cry myself to sleep knowing I will never amount to anything
Bonaport. I see what you did there. Witty. Unfortunately, due to crimes against humanity for using puns, you must be gruesomely murdered with various blunt instruments. Sorry buddy, but you knew it had to happen.
Why do you think I'm in an engineering field? I'm here to make science that seems like magic. Conjure up a port? Gimme a bit, and alakazam ya got a port where one wasn't before. You wanna go to space? Alchemy in that there rocket to make it use a spell of exploding and fuck gravity
@@noxiouspro It was after the shadow war and the elder races left the galaxy, Sheriden lamented saying that the magic left the galaxy, Delen responded something like if there is to be magic we'll have to build it. It was 30 years ago or so. Good series, yes the acting is booming stage acting, yes the graphics are 80s CGI, but the STORY and the SCRIPT.
One of the reasons Mulberry B survived the storm on the 18th of June is is because the British knew the storm was coming and prepared by adding extra lines and anchors securing the harbour. The British warned the Americans about the coming storm but they were confident their harbour would survive, and as a result it was destroyed.
As Churchill noted, the problems with Mulberry (floating harbors) and Pluto (undersea fuel line) had to be overcome. They were and were the clear successes of the invasion. We of course preferred and needed Cherbourg and later Antwerp for real cargo flow, but the floating harbors were just enough to get some mobility ashore before the great storms destroyed them...
My great grandfather fought for Canada in WWII He was airdropped behind enemy lines without any equipment since it was dropped somewhere else. The thing is that the supplies were dropped in the wrong place due to the chaos, so he was stuck hiding in barns for weeks with no ammo. Luckily he survived cause without him this story would’ve been lost forever
JoCaleb02 There is a line from “The Longest Day” movie where a general remarks they are on the wrong beach, and another officer asks, “what if the supplies go to the right beach?” The general replies, “The supplies will have to follow us wherever we are.” THAT attitude right there is what exemplifies that generation. They were building a Liberty ship every two days, 45 Sherman tanks were built daily, plus bombers, fighters and other equipment ...not to mention the training of men to fight. Staggering.
@@AudieHolland Thank you! I thought it was a Roosevelt, but couldn't remember which one. I know he died a few weeks later in France. AND awarded the Medal of Honor.
One of the things I remember from my trip to Normandy as a child was seeing all those harbor pieces littering the beach, thought it was the coolest thing ever
My uncle, Bob Wilcher died way too young in the early 1970s. He was a telephone engineer and in WW2 he was i/c designing and installing the phone system that ran through the floating harbour and linked the UK with the beachhead and France. RIP Maj. Bob Wilcher.
my mother was smuggled out of Austria when the nazis occupied Austria. She went to England where she was the ward of a Professor Ellis. He is the one that came up with the mulberries. The floating docks used for the d day invasion. Another one of the greatest generation.
THIS is the kind of stuff that made D-Day even possible. It makes me appreciate games like HOI4 that much more that focus on, if not "logistics", perhaps, at least very close to it.
Logistics if easily the most underappreciated aspects of war and especially so for most non-military persons. Please do more videos about military logistics.
@user9823598246 a lot of people lack knowledge of military history and strategy. And of course the importance of military logistics was well understood long before Caesar.
Like all your other videos, this one is nothing short of incredible. As usual, it was informative, educational, and a treat to watch. I, and surely all of your other loyal subscribers, am constantly finding myself eagerly awaiting your next upload with anxious anticipation. I almost never click the bell icon for any of the channels that I watch and subscribe to with the exception of a very small number of them (only 2 or 3 out of a few dozen), yours being one of them. The simple fact that your videos are free to watch is absolutely amazing and their quality is absolutely astounding. I consider myself insanely fortunate to have the honor and the privilege of counting myself among your many loyal fans. The quality of your videos and the largely unbiased manner in which you present the many facts and bits of information within them sets such a high standard that other content creators could never hope to achieve. I, and so many others, am very grateful for your channel's existence, and every time I receive that long-awaited notification indicating that you've uploaded another video, it's easily the highlight of my day. Or the highlight of my week. Or even my month. Good things come to those who wait, and that couldn't be more true when it comes to eagerly awaiting your next upload. I sincerely thank you for everything that you do, and please, for the love of god (if you believe in that sort of thing), don't stop making videos.
You know what I like about logistics? You get map out the realistic details based by surveys and people will respect and trust your judgment who will carry out the work and you’re the brains behind the work...... That’s what I love to do about business and engineering & doing tactical engineering in warfare....
@@dewboy13 It's true that partial shelter would have helped. However, according to a different documentary, construction of the British version proceeded more slowly because they incorporated additional strengthening measures.
Another great video! I just finished watching it on Nebula. I love the water color effect you used when showing the progress of the Allies through Brittany and the rest of France toward the end of the video - these just keep getting better!
@@ayden6899 For the Allied side you have to focus on containment and establishing safe supply lines. It's much more complex. Usually, I wipe out most of the German navy with the British planes, build and aircraft carrier, and park American planes on it before turn 2. Then, you can begin to ferry equipment over so you can take the Scandinavian peninsula. The goal is to help the Russians defend until Allied production can catch up. Containing Japan in mainland Asia is also super important, so you have to use your units wisely.
If I didn't know better, I'd think he lived here in America. But even we know that the one in England is pronounced Tems, it's just the one in CT that's pronounced Thames
Seeing how the Allies spent so much time preparing for this one beach landing ( and arguably to the point where the Allies deserved victory through effort alone), I personally think the only chance of the Germans pushing them back to the sea: 1. If they could counter-attack fast enough, but we saw how well the was conducted. 2. If the Allies couldn't have able to pour supplies into the small beachhead of Normandy, however that's not the case because of the video. 3. If the Germans can strike from the air, but the Allies had pretty much locked down the beach landings so many fighters that damage caused would be minimal. 4. If the Kriegsmarine could interrupt the chain of supplies, but again, the allies had almost 7,000 ships of all types (excluding aircraft carriers) participating in that invasion, so no ship or submarine would be getting through easily. If you want to counter my thought process, feel free to, and I do also want to say that the landings didn't have promising start personally. It would also be nice to hear some other ways the Allies could've been pushed back. Again, I just want say this is just my thoughts.
I just find it wild that they were able to recover from that massive storm that damaged and destroyed so much of the infrastructure! That should have been the decisive blow from the German's wildest dreams. To your thoughts above, the only other way I can think of is if the Germans had spies in place that learned of the landing locations and date and were therefore able to prep for the landing in secret themselves.
Oh, if the Germans caught any scent where the landings were even generally speaking and have the time to prepare, it would've over for the Allies and become a disaster that they couldn't recover from. I was also talking of how the Germans could've won when the landings were taking place and the location kept a secret until then.
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My Dad was Seabee who was stationed on an LST and who's job was to assemble these harbors. So this was a very interesting program. On D-Day, my Dad was 18 years old. He was sitting off of Omaha beach that day. There was a lot of confusion on the beach and the LSTs didn't know what to do. The captain sent a small launch boat into the beach with Dad and a couple of other sailors on it. When they got close enough they yelled into the beach, "What do you need?" The answer came back, "More ammunition!" Dad was always very proud of being there that day. He talks about D-Day in this video ua-cam.com/video/nXFeHahA9GQ/v-deo.html
I didn't know anything about these projects and it was fascinating to even know they existed, let alone how difficult it was to solve these problems. Thank you for making these videos.
My father joined the Coast Guard during WWII. In time of war the CG comes under command of the Navy and he was stationed on an LST crewed entirely by Coast Guard personnel. His ship didn't participate in the invasion of Normandy, rather it was in the Pacific carrying troops for the invasion of Japanese held islands. His helmet has numerous names of islands to which his ship off loaded troops & supplies. His ship, LST 884, was struck by a kamikaze plane, caught fire and eventually sunk. After abandoning ship he and 12 of of his crew mates volunteered to go back on the burning & sinking ship to search for survivors. For this he was awarded a medal for bravery. He was very reluctant to talk about his service and seemed more content to leave it in the past. I only learned of this when a local historian interviewed him. He wouldn't talk to family about it at all. He passed away 20 years ago and to this day I don't know what his duties were on board. As fate would have it when I joined the Navy in 1970 I was stationed on an LST as well (USS Fairfax County, LST 1193).
I have been an avid learner when it comes to WW2 related topics for years, all the battle tactics on the field, all the equipment, all the units and bravery has been told time and time again. But never the logistics, this is my first time learning about the floatinf harbours. Thank you!
If you want to see complete examples of the Mulberry Harbour units, the Dutch museum of the 1953 Floods at Ouwerkerk on the island of Schouwen-Duiveland is built INSIDE 4 spare Harbour units not used in 1944. These were floated across in 1953 after the devastating North Sea floods inundated the low lying coastlines causing huge breaches in the protective dykes. These were sunk (as designed) into the biggest breach. It is an excellent museum we happenned across a couple of weeks ago.
The LSTs had a large tanks of Mercury, it could be pumped to the back to make front of the ship lift while hitting the beach, then pumped forward to drive the front of the LST into the sand to make it more stable. When they they leave the beach, they reversed the process. I found this out in HS when my teacher said the mercury we were using in lab was recycled from old LSTs after the war, or the Korean war.
Do you have any references for that? That would take an a lot of mercury. With a cargo capacity of 2100 tons you'd probably be looking at at hundreds or even low thousands of tons of ballast need per ship. With 1000 ships, that would be hundreds of thousands of tons of mercury -- where would that come from? Note, current yearly production (2019) seems to be around 4000 metric tons, maybe enough for 2 to 10 ships? Sure, mercury ballast tanks could be about 1/13 the volume of water ballast tanks, but it looks like they found room for the large water ballast tanks (2:10 - 2:23). And sea water has the huge advantage that you can just pump it overboard if you want the ship to float higher. Also, if you look at the Britannica, article on LSTs, it says "A newly proposed ballast system gave one ship both capabilities: when at sea the LST took on water for stability, and during landing operations the water was pumped out to produce a shallow-draft vessel." If Britannica is going to mention a fairly conventional sea water ballast system, I would think they would mention something as extraordinary as a mercury ballast system. www.britannica.com/technology/landing-ship-tank
@tommy14: Watch this video again. You'll see an anchor being used with a long chain when an LST comes to shore. They used these to help winch the LST off the beech after the cargo/personnel had deployed..
What, you believe that a High School teacher, a veteran, was not honest with high school students about the source of the cheap Toxic mercury we were allowed to play with bare handed without concern in the cold war years??
absolutely excellent video. a few years ago i toured the d-day area, and stopped a numerous museums and such-- the logistics and engineering feat required for the mission success is quite difficult to imagine-- on the same scale as the apollo missions in my opinion.
Another fantastic British idea most people have no idea about. People forget how much of an avant-garde thinker Churchill was. He was prepared to entertain all kinds of asymmetric ideas and concepts. Some of them led to failure (Dardanelles most notably). But he was a great supporter of out of the box thinking, which led to innovations such as this and indirectly to the formation and success of Bletchfield.
Awesome. 👍 Two complete Military harbor systems capable of unloading the necessary supplies and War material from across the English Channel, in support of the largest invasion force in human history, constructed untested under fire at sea in under two weeks? Yeah, that's pretty impressive. 👍
I would really like to see the D-day logistics and battle from the point of view of Not-the-USA, after all the USA were not the only ones there and yet, they are the only ones we hear about. Don't get me wrong, it was a team effort, but i feel one player is getting all the attention.
Because you're watching americans talking about it. Try searching for the british shows/content creators. Same with the soviets, it's all about propaganda. No wonder they only talk about themselves.
@Eliot Thexton yes. Many other things as well. America supplied a ton of materials. Along with a whole bunch of ships vehicles weapons etc. obviously Britain took a big part. They are across the channel. The us didn’t even want to be apart of this war to begin with. Thank Japan. But this doesn’t seem very us based at all
@Grigori One: Following the success of June 1944, much of today's armed forces have made many improvements to how they can land troops on enemy territory. Taking a brief look at the current UK forces, landing craft are still very much in use, along with ships to carry them such as HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark. Hovercraft, developed in the 1950s by Sir Christopher Cockerell, are also used to a great extent by many different countries for military purposes. There are some very large ones available. However, they do not generally operate very well in rough seas. This may have been an issue on June 6th as the seas were quite rough. Of interest, Hovercrafts can trace their lianege through an Austrian (1915), Englishman (1870s) and even a Swede (1716). Of course today, many troops are likely to be landed using Helicopters too, along with their supplies.
@@ScubaGirl68 - I have often imagined how hovercraft might have been used in Operation Overlord, if they existed in 1944. Instead of attacking at low tide, one would want the hovercraft to land in Normandy at high tide in the gentlest possible surf to prevent contact and triggering of mines the Germans placed in the surf zone.
@@johnmaxwell1750 Certainly there are many things to consider with regards to having hovercraft at the time. One of the advantages is that they are quiet until very close. As the fleet was spotted on the horizon prior to landing, this wouldn't have been so useful. There were many items on the beeches of Normandy designed to make landing impossible. Many of those items would have shredded the rubber skirts of a hovercraft. I would have to study the action of the waves on the Normandy coast to better comment on whether high tide or low tide would be better for a hovercraft landing. Ultimately hovercrafts can travel up a beech at all states of the tide. This is one reason why the service between Southsea and Ryde is so good. When the tide is out, Ryde has a large sandy area. A modern military hovercraft is very versatile. I would expect it to cope well with German WW2 munitions. Many lessons have been learned from the experience. I'm not sure about their operating constraints with regards to the weather though. The service between Southsea and Ryde often has to be cancelled when the wind gets up. With this in mind, the wind was apparently blowing from the NW at 15mph in the afternoon of 6th June. This is a Force 4, which normally wouldn't be an issue in the Solent, but it is on the upper limit. It is also blowing straight in from the sea onto the Normandy coast, creating the worst conditions, making it more dangerous for the hovercraft. So would the Hovercraft have been better? Certainly, there are advantages to using the Hovercraft, but I don't personally think that they would have been applicable for Normandy. Many of the things used would have confused the Germans. The floating tanks, for example, weren't something that they expected. Of course many were lost, especially on the US beeches, so didn't make it to the beeches. Had a Hovercraft landing with Tanks been possible, then certainly this would have helped immensely.
One of the best history books I read was "Crusade in Europe" by Eisenhower... It covered these logistics in detail along with all of the run up to D-Day... Fascinating book and great companion to this doc. Amazing what can be accomplished without computers!
Interesting @ 21:54 the clip is from World War 1. You can tell by the truck, uniforms (Especially the WWI wide brimmed campaign hats) and the way everyone moves in these old film/footage.
@@XxBloggs Switzerland is neutral since 1815 and is commited not to fight in a war, so they weren't allowed to fight unless they would have been attacked themselves...which thankfully didn't happen!
My farther was on board HMS Centurion ,correct they stayed aboard when they sunk her, they did tell my father you may want to stay top side while at sea the bulkheads have been removed and a charge is set in the hull, If we hit a mine were going down fast. The deck was also piled high with coal.
It's rare that I get to hear a WWII story that I've never even heard mention of before and other than knowing the allies had obviously set up something for ships to harbour in I've never heard any of this. Great story, presentation and explanation! Thank you sir.
British government then: Design a revolutionary floating harbour, tow it across the channel and assemble it in 5 days while simultaeneously operating an amphibious assault British government now: Can't build a road in 5 years.
I live in southern Indiana, US. I have toured the LST325 in Evansville, and it opened my eyes to how essential they were to the victory at D-Day. Have you considered a video on the landing ships of D-Day?
Imagine multiple docs on the same topic being made. OMG like how terrible. Unlike alot of them this is very specific in just the logistics of one day. So what if there's been others?
Hi It was realized that if a LST was beached to unload it would be there for at least the next ten hours while waiting for the next tide,during this time it could and was bombed and strafed by the Luftwaffe and possibley lost also the beaches would become over crowded. The Mullberry Harbours allowed ships to come and go as needed a Liberty ship could be unloaded in two hours therfore more Arms etc could be landed using the Harbours than the beaches. Another item which should be mentioned is the American See Bees [ Construction Battalion ] who when harbour A was lost they moved into harbour B and worked alongside the Royal Engineers to Save and Rebuild it.
Came here because of the post showing how UA-cam wasn't delivering this content because of it being about war even though it's completely objective and fascinating. I realize financially these are sustainable unless UA-cam will deliver them and not flag them inappropriately. Just wanted to show my support. I have been a long time watcher of the channel and really value your content. Thanks for putting this together, even if not sustainable due to Google's own algorithms.
Thank you for giving us such a great content, watching your videos always makes me happy for some reason and I hope you're doing great with everything you do so we can enjoyed this kind of content for years to come. Thank you and good luck!!
Wow! So much info. In my WW 2 reading, the landings at Normandy would mention mulberries and their defence. This is the very first time I have seen an in depth look at the planning, building, and maintenance of the harbor.
Brilliantly explained - Many thx! Perfect to have an Irish voice walk me thru it - D Day Blessings 2021 to all - gonna find ur patreon page - thx again!
If any of you want to actually see the boats and structures in this video come to Portsmouth UK. There's a Dday museum with actual landing craft on display. 4 miles east of the museum a section of mulberry harbour wall was partially sunk just off the beach and is still there to see.
Very cool vid You don’t hear about this stuff in documentary’s on tv thank you for bringing to light these men’s brave sacrifices crucial to winning the war 👍
@Pete is never wrong really? seems like an odd place to do it- getting them out to sea through all the narrow canals and waterways of the fens seems like a ballache? Not to mention the problems of teaching a local population with 6 toes and 3 fingers how to manufacture something haha
The D-Day logistics operation is a true marvel of project management. Engineering and the fighting aside... It is astounding how the allies managed to not only agree on an invasion site and strategy, but then to gather the necessary data to generate engineering requirements for the breakwaters and landings, test designs on their fluid dynamics (without computers), submit and gain approval for the budget, solicit and procure the final designs, allocate human resources to deploy the novel designs in theatre, develop training materials and service manuals, and everything else... All of this had to be done without leaking ANY of it to the Germans.
This would be an amazing feat even without the covert element, but it is truly baffling how they pulled it off. What incredible teamwork,
One of history's greatest military deception campaigns to cover the largest amphibious invasion in history.
The english were masters at slight of hand. There are many examples of it in the war.
It helped that the Germans were truly abysmal at espionage and that the UK had so many quirks that a foreigner could be spotted a mile off.
Malcolm Anon the German ambassador to Spain was commendable in his deliberate incompetence.
That's what happens when you fight for something you truly believe in and know is good and right. I wish my generation could come together to fight for something good and right. There are certainly enough challenges in the world to rally to...
They made the LSTs in my hometown, Evansville, Indiana.
About 10 years ago, LST 325 was repurchased from the Greek navy and sailed back across the Atlantic by a handful of WW2 veterans.
It's now moored back in Evansville, and you can take a walk thru the 325 for about $10.
That's pretty cool!
I am in awe of the engineering efforts required to produce these things. The war was obviously horrific, but the engineering required and outside-of-the-box thinking to pull off operations like Normandy is insane, even inspirational.
There is a reason so many of the technological innovations if the last 100 years come from the military (lots of reasons, probably). Necessity is the mother of invention. Also, more cynically, human beings take killing (and surviving) very seriously.
I am fascinated by this outside-the-box thinking of the high ranked officers even more, because normally the military folks are selected and drilled to follow rules and orders and act in more or less limited borders.
Sailor: "hey, why are all of the important equipment gone and we are setting sail?"
Later, "Hey, why is there bombs in the hull?"
Little bit later,
*Demolition guy comes aboard*
Sailor: "uhh ooh"
JBass14 Sailor: ah so it was top secret gotcha so do we leave then
Demolition guy : No ..................
Sailor : .....
Yeah I don't understand why they killed their own workers at 8:15. Can you explain that?
They didn't kill anyone. Well, not any of their own guys. They sank the ship in water that was just barely deep enough to sail in, they blew holes in the hull, they didn't blow up their crews.
For some reason I just heard the oversimplified "uh oooh" in my head
@@hirdeshbajwa8906 yeah they weren't killed. It was a small explosion designed so that the ships would sink slowly so the crews could still support other vessels - they obviously got the men off the ships before they sank
This channel is just relentlessly interesting. And I’m not even that interested in engineering.
Dude I hardly understand it, but for those first few seconds after he’s explained it I’m like “woahhhhhhhh” then proceed to cry myself to sleep knowing I will never amount to anything
Adambe The Gorilla had me in the first half ngl
That is an exceptional explanation. Relentlessly interesting. Wonderful!
Exactly
"This channel is just relentlessly interesting.
And I'm not even that interested in engineering."
Yeah bro me too ^-^
10:58 Hidden frame says "Animation idea: Diffraction varying gaps."
Edit: Frame has been removed from video
Specialopsdave thank you
Did he remove it?
When I saw "Logistics", I thought this was Wendover.
What frame?
*"amateurs discus tactics, professionals discus logistics"*
~Napoleon Bonaport
(Who was bad at controlling ports, as England Expects)
Bonaport. I see what you did there. Witty.
Unfortunately, due to crimes against humanity for using puns, you must be gruesomely murdered with various blunt instruments. Sorry buddy, but you knew it had to happen.
Very nice work. I have been to Arromanches Les Bains and I am still fascinated...
If there is to be magic in this world, we'll just have to build it.
Definition of STEM fields ^^
Why do you think I'm in an engineering field? I'm here to make science that seems like magic.
Conjure up a port? Gimme a bit, and alakazam ya got a port where one wasn't before.
You wanna go to space? Alchemy in that there rocket to make it use a spell of exploding and fuck gravity
Love it. Is this original quote?
@@noxiouspro I wish it were, it has been long ago, but I think it was on Babylon 5
@@noxiouspro It was after the shadow war and the elder races left the galaxy, Sheriden lamented saying that the magic left the galaxy, Delen responded something like if there is to be magic we'll have to build it. It was 30 years ago or so. Good series, yes the acting is booming stage acting, yes the graphics are 80s CGI, but the STORY and the SCRIPT.
One of the reasons Mulberry B survived the storm on the 18th of June is is because the British knew the storm was coming and prepared by adding extra lines and anchors securing the harbour. The British warned the Americans about the coming storm but they were confident their harbour would survive, and as a result it was destroyed.
interesting, got a reference? Author says the rock outcrops protected B and A had 25 out of 28 British produced Phoenixes broke by the storm.
I saw “real engineering” and “the logistics of d day” and just immediately smacked that like button cuz honestly what more could you ask for?
Only OGs remember when this was called the logistics of D-Day.
Fred G. The floating harbours of D-day
@@lucas29476 Honestly, a worse name. But, more descriptive of the specifics being discussed I suppose.
I remember. Was saving the video for now and noticed the change lol
Oh your right the name was changed
@@lucas29476 lol
Don’t invade a province without ports.
My first lesson in Hearts of Iron IV
and don't invade with 100 divisons*
B2As *queue out of supply noise that I have PTSD from*
by this logic, if you don't want to be invade, then
Just build a port
As Churchill noted, the problems with Mulberry (floating harbors) and Pluto (undersea fuel line) had to be overcome. They were and were the clear successes of the invasion. We of course preferred and needed Cherbourg and later Antwerp for real cargo flow, but the floating harbors were just enough to get some mobility ashore before the great storms destroyed them...
My great grandfather fought for Canada in WWII
He was airdropped behind enemy lines without any equipment since it was dropped somewhere else. The thing is that the supplies were dropped in the wrong place due to the chaos, so he was stuck hiding in barns for weeks with no ammo. Luckily he survived cause without him this story would’ve been lost forever
JoCaleb02 There is a line from “The Longest Day” movie where a general remarks they are on the wrong beach, and another officer asks, “what if the supplies go to the right beach?”
The general replies, “The supplies will have to follow us wherever we are.”
THAT attitude right there is what exemplifies that generation. They were building a Liberty ship every two days, 45 Sherman tanks were built daily, plus bombers, fighters and other equipment ...not to mention the training of men to fight. Staggering.
@@Chris-ji4iu General Theodore Roosevelt Jr.
@@AudieHolland Thank you! I thought it was a Roosevelt, but couldn't remember which one. I know he died a few weeks later in France. AND awarded the Medal of Honor.
At least he wasn't forced to try and run to Spain
One of the things I remember from my trip to Normandy as a child was seeing all those harbor pieces littering the beach, thought it was the coolest thing ever
When I saw "Logistics", I thought this was Wendover.
LOL yeah me too!
Same
Ditto
Aswell!
I subscribed to them because this comment
Sherman: *Starts swimming*
Tiger: you weren't supposed to do that
My uncle, Bob Wilcher died way too young in the early 1970s. He was a telephone engineer and in WW2 he was i/c designing and installing the phone system that ran through the floating harbour and linked the UK with the beachhead and France. RIP Maj. Bob Wilcher.
Thank you for this
It's something incredible
There were modest men and women that we grew up among as children...that did the work of giants
"By the end of July, the tides turned." Very clever, Real Engineering.
This isn’t wendover? No airplane logistics? Not HAI? Wow now this real engineering. Impressive. I learned a lot.
Bendover productions
Planes were mentioned...
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my mother was smuggled out of Austria when the nazis occupied Austria. She went to England where she was the ward of a Professor Ellis. He is the one that came up with the mulberries. The floating docks used for the d day invasion. Another one of the greatest generation.
THIS is the kind of stuff that made D-Day even possible. It makes me appreciate games like HOI4 that much more that focus on, if not "logistics", perhaps, at least very close to it.
Logistics if easily the most underappreciated aspects of war and especially so for most non-military persons. Please do more videos about military logistics.
@user9823598246 a lot of people lack knowledge of military history and strategy.
And of course the importance of military logistics was well understood long before Caesar.
My grandfather was one of the engineers that worked in this! He never said much about it. So cool to learn more. Thank you!
Like all your other videos, this one is nothing short of incredible. As usual, it was informative, educational, and a treat to watch. I, and surely all of your other loyal subscribers, am constantly finding myself eagerly awaiting your next upload with anxious anticipation. I almost never click the bell icon for any of the channels that I watch and subscribe to with the exception of a very small number of them (only 2 or 3 out of a few dozen), yours being one of them. The simple fact that your videos are free to watch is absolutely amazing and their quality is absolutely astounding. I consider myself insanely fortunate to have the honor and the privilege of counting myself among your many loyal fans. The quality of your videos and the largely unbiased manner in which you present the many facts and bits of information within them sets such a high standard that other content creators could never hope to achieve. I, and so many others, am very grateful for your channel's existence, and every time I receive that long-awaited notification indicating that you've uploaded another video, it's easily the highlight of my day. Or the highlight of my week. Or even my month. Good things come to those who wait, and that couldn't be more true when it comes to eagerly awaiting your next upload.
I sincerely thank you for everything that you do, and please, for the love of god (if you believe in that sort of thing), don't stop making videos.
"what battle should we focus on?"
Me: Battle of Britain
*moments later*
"i'm veering towards covering the logistics of the Battle of Britain."
You know what I like about logistics? You get map out the realistic details based by surveys and people will respect and trust your judgment who will carry out the work and you’re the brains behind the work......
That’s what I love to do about business and engineering & doing tactical engineering in warfare....
Mulberry A = A for speed.
Mulberry B = Better-built.
Or just the fact that mulberry A wasn't protected by natural breakwater, and faced the full onslaught of the storm
They should have made a floating island
@@dewboy13 It's true that partial shelter would have helped. However, according to a different documentary, construction of the British version proceeded more slowly because they incorporated additional strengthening measures.
@@edwinchai1336 How?
@Fred G. What exactly is a joke?
Another great video! I just finished watching it on Nebula. I love the water color effect you used when showing the progress of the Allies through Brittany and the rest of France toward the end of the video - these just keep getting better!
10:58 - "Animation idea: Diffraction - varying gaps"
A nice little blooper that let's us see how Real Engineering plans his videos!
How do you like them mulberries? (3:40)
6:55 Breakwaters.
13:10 Roadways.
17:10 Complications.
If you've ever played axis and allies, you know redundancy is important
If your odds of victory aren't over 85% it's probably not worth it
Andrew Davis whenever I play axis and allies the axis always seem to win
@@ayden6899 For the Allied side you have to focus on containment and establishing safe supply lines. It's much more complex. Usually, I wipe out most of the German navy with the British planes, build and aircraft carrier, and park American planes on it before turn 2. Then, you can begin to ferry equipment over so you can take the Scandinavian peninsula. The goal is to help the Russians defend until Allied production can catch up.
Containing Japan in mainland Asia is also super important, so you have to use your units wisely.
Containment Failure thank you for the advice
The quality of visualization, both original footage and animations, is wonderful. GJ!
Is no one going to talk about how he said ‘Thames’
If I didn't know better, I'd think he lived here in America. But even we know that the one in England is pronounced Tems, it's just the one in CT that's pronounced Thames
Michael Imbesi , ah that’s interesting, I didn’t realise there was another Thames, and to be fair it’s a stupid spelling anyways
And the pronounced "th" at the end of "height"
It's how nearly everyone in Ireland pronounces it. Don't ask me why. I get slagged anytime I say "tems" even though that's how it's pronounced.
@@paulekstorm-hughes1894 Oooohhhh, The Horror!
Seeing how the Allies spent so much time preparing for this one beach landing ( and arguably to the point where the Allies deserved victory through effort alone), I personally think the only chance of the Germans pushing them back to the sea:
1. If they could counter-attack fast enough, but we saw how well the was conducted.
2. If the Allies couldn't have able to pour supplies into the small beachhead of Normandy, however that's not the case because of the video.
3. If the Germans can strike from the air, but the Allies had pretty much locked down the beach landings so many fighters that damage caused would be minimal.
4. If the Kriegsmarine could interrupt the chain of supplies, but again, the allies had almost 7,000 ships of all types (excluding aircraft carriers) participating in that invasion, so no ship or submarine would be getting through easily.
If you want to counter my thought process, feel free to, and I do also want to say that the landings didn't have promising start personally. It would also be nice to hear some other ways the Allies could've been pushed back. Again, I just want say this is just my thoughts.
I just find it wild that they were able to recover from that massive storm that damaged and destroyed so much of the infrastructure! That should have been the decisive blow from the German's wildest dreams.
To your thoughts above, the only other way I can think of is if the Germans had spies in place that learned of the landing locations and date and were therefore able to prep for the landing in secret themselves.
Oh, if the Germans caught any scent where the landings were even generally speaking and have the time to prepare, it would've over for the Allies and become a disaster that they couldn't recover from. I was also talking of how the Germans could've won when the landings were taking place and the location kept a secret until then.
2:09 I see there are planes.....
*Sam* from *Wendover* be like: "that's my man there...."
Sam from HAI hates plane man from Wendover
Nebula Mafia at it again bringing cable TV level quality to UA-cam!
Pretty much every channel in the Nebula Mafia has amazing quality and production even if you dont fancy the content of everyone involved you have to appreciate the talent
My Dad was Seabee who was stationed on an LST and who's job was to assemble these harbors. So this was a very interesting program. On D-Day, my Dad was 18 years old. He was sitting off of Omaha beach that day. There was a lot of confusion on the beach and the LSTs didn't know what to do. The captain sent a small launch boat into the beach with Dad and a couple of other sailors on it. When they got close enough they yelled into the beach, "What do you need?" The answer came back, "More ammunition!" Dad was always very proud of being there that day. He talks about D-Day in this video ua-cam.com/video/nXFeHahA9GQ/v-deo.html
I didn't know anything about these projects and it was fascinating to even know they existed, let alone how difficult it was to solve these problems. Thank you for making these videos.
Again an exciting and informative video. Learned more than in a couple of 90 minutes school lesson. Very well done!
My father joined the Coast Guard during WWII. In time of war the CG comes under command of the Navy and he was stationed on an LST crewed entirely by Coast Guard personnel. His ship didn't participate in the invasion of Normandy, rather it was in the Pacific carrying troops for the invasion of Japanese held islands. His helmet has numerous names of islands to which his ship off loaded troops & supplies. His ship, LST 884, was struck by a kamikaze plane, caught fire and eventually sunk. After abandoning ship he and 12 of of his crew mates volunteered to go back on the burning & sinking ship to search for survivors. For this he was awarded a medal for bravery. He was very reluctant to talk about his service and seemed more content to leave it in the past. I only learned of this when a local historian interviewed him. He wouldn't talk to family about it at all. He passed away 20 years ago and to this day I don't know what his duties were on board. As fate would have it when I joined the Navy in 1970 I was stationed on an LST as well (USS Fairfax County, LST 1193).
10:58 message:
"Animation idea: Diffraction - varying gaps"
Why is it there? Was it a mistake
@@West004 yeah
Hello twin
Henlo
The editor must be shit at their job.
Dylan Hennessy I was about to delete this comment and then realized you are the editor 😂
i have been to the town at 4:21 its lyme regis in england
0:40 Preparations obviously started in WW1. I call that planning.
Yup pretty sure. They knew what was gonna happen. They just did the mistakes maginot line so nobody would suspect anything
@@Aryan-ck9lv Leaving the back door open once lacked prescience, twice was insanity.
Warfare take team effort
That's some serious foresight lol
@@USSAnimeNCC- Undeniably true, but you didn't notice the irony.
I have been an avid learner when it comes to WW2 related topics for years, all the battle tactics on the field, all the equipment, all the units and bravery has been told time and time again. But never the logistics, this is my first time learning about the floatinf harbours. Thank you!
Thank you for this documentary, I have waited 70 years t0o get the full story of the Mulberry Harbours , much appreciated. An ex British serviceman. 😁
If you want to see complete examples of the Mulberry Harbour units, the Dutch museum of the 1953 Floods at Ouwerkerk on the island of Schouwen-Duiveland is built INSIDE 4 spare Harbour units not used in 1944. These were floated across in 1953 after the devastating North Sea floods inundated the low lying coastlines causing huge breaches in the protective dykes. These were sunk (as designed) into the biggest breach. It is an excellent museum we happenned across a couple of weeks ago.
The LSTs had a large tanks of Mercury, it could be pumped to the back to make front of the ship lift while hitting the beach, then pumped forward to drive the front of the LST into the sand to make it more stable. When they they leave the beach, they reversed the process.
I found this out in HS when my teacher said the mercury we were using in lab was recycled from old LSTs after the war, or the Korean war.
I think you’re conflating two different systems.
Do you have any references for that? That would take an a lot of mercury. With a cargo capacity of 2100 tons you'd probably be looking at at hundreds or even low thousands of tons of ballast need per ship. With 1000 ships, that would be hundreds of thousands of tons of mercury -- where would that come from? Note, current yearly production (2019) seems to be around 4000 metric tons, maybe enough for 2 to 10 ships?
Sure, mercury ballast tanks could be about 1/13 the volume of water ballast tanks, but it looks like they found room for the large water ballast tanks (2:10 - 2:23). And sea water has the huge advantage that you can just pump it overboard if you want the ship to float higher.
Also, if you look at the Britannica, article on LSTs, it says "A newly proposed ballast system gave one ship both capabilities: when at sea the LST took on water for stability, and during landing operations the water was pumped out to produce a shallow-draft vessel." If Britannica is going to mention a fairly conventional sea water ballast system, I would think they would mention something as extraordinary as a mercury ballast system.
www.britannica.com/technology/landing-ship-tank
@tommy14: Watch this video again. You'll see an anchor being used with a long chain when an LST comes to shore. They used these to help winch the LST off the beech after the cargo/personnel had deployed..
What, you believe that a High School teacher, a veteran, was not honest with high school students about the source of the cheap Toxic mercury we were allowed to play with bare handed without concern in the cold war years??
absolutely excellent video. a few years ago i toured the d-day area, and stopped a numerous museums and such-- the logistics and engineering feat required for the mission success is quite difficult to imagine-- on the same scale as the apollo missions in my opinion.
This guy should get a show on the history channel, very impressed 👏🏻
This is such good content. Even though I'm not really that much into engineering, the videos are fascinating and interesting.
It be cool if you did an episode on the LST’s.
LST*
EDIT: I'm glad you noticed! And, yes, I agree.
Take a look at Nebula, that's where the other episodes are.
I thought they were called LSDs
@@KSPAtlas Landing Ship, Tank
I see your Kumoko avatar, don't think I dont.
Awesome video mate. You are top tier content my friend. Far far better than anything on cable TV
Yes lads get in new vid!
Thanks for the video. I work at the only operational LST class 1. It's an amazing ship.
10:50 sounds like you are saying 50 meter instead of 15 meter(50ft)
Disagree, I heard 15
Another fantastic British idea most people have no idea about. People forget how much of an avant-garde thinker Churchill was. He was prepared to entertain all kinds of asymmetric ideas and concepts. Some of them led to failure (Dardanelles most notably). But he was a great supporter of out of the box thinking, which led to innovations such as this and indirectly to the formation and success of Bletchfield.
Awesome. 👍
Two complete Military harbor systems capable of unloading the necessary supplies and War material from across the English Channel, in support of the largest invasion force in human history, constructed untested under fire at sea in under two weeks?
Yeah, that's pretty impressive. 👍
This project is just so beautiful both grafically and informatically. Thank you so much for making these videos.
I would really like to see the D-day logistics and battle from the point of view of Not-the-USA, after all the USA were not the only ones there and yet, they are the only ones we hear about. Don't get me wrong, it was a team effort, but i feel one player is getting all the attention.
Because you're watching americans talking about it. Try searching for the british shows/content creators. Same with the soviets, it's all about propaganda. No wonder they only talk about themselves.
@Eliot Thexton yes. Many other things as well. America supplied a ton of materials. Along with a whole bunch of ships vehicles weapons etc. obviously Britain took a big part. They are across the channel. The us didn’t even want to be apart of this war to begin with. Thank Japan. But this doesn’t seem very us based at all
Excellent documentary .
Imagine if someone had of thought of Hovercraft back then. !!
Game changer for sure
@Grigori One: Following the success of June 1944, much of today's armed forces have made many improvements to how they can land troops on enemy territory. Taking a brief look at the current UK forces, landing craft are still very much in use, along with ships to carry them such as HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark.
Hovercraft, developed in the 1950s by Sir Christopher Cockerell, are also used to a great extent by many different countries for military purposes. There are some very large ones available. However, they do not generally operate very well in rough seas. This may have been an issue on June 6th as the seas were quite rough.
Of interest, Hovercrafts can trace their lianege through an Austrian (1915), Englishman (1870s) and even a Swede (1716).
Of course today, many troops are likely to be landed using Helicopters too, along with their supplies.
@@ScubaGirl68 - I have often imagined how hovercraft might have been used in Operation Overlord, if they existed in 1944. Instead of attacking at low tide, one would want the hovercraft to land in Normandy at high tide in the gentlest possible surf to prevent contact and triggering of mines the Germans placed in the surf zone.
@@johnmaxwell1750 Certainly there are many things to consider with regards to having hovercraft at the time. One of the advantages is that they are quiet until very close. As the fleet was spotted on the horizon prior to landing, this wouldn't have been so useful.
There were many items on the beeches of Normandy designed to make landing impossible. Many of those items would have shredded the rubber skirts of a hovercraft.
I would have to study the action of the waves on the Normandy coast to better comment on whether high tide or low tide would be better for a hovercraft landing. Ultimately hovercrafts can travel up a beech at all states of the tide. This is one reason why the service between Southsea and Ryde is so good. When the tide is out, Ryde has a large sandy area.
A modern military hovercraft is very versatile. I would expect it to cope well with German WW2 munitions. Many lessons have been learned from the experience.
I'm not sure about their operating constraints with regards to the weather though. The service between Southsea and Ryde often has to be cancelled when the wind gets up. With this in mind, the wind was apparently blowing from the NW at 15mph in the afternoon of 6th June. This is a Force 4, which normally wouldn't be an issue in the Solent, but it is on the upper limit. It is also blowing straight in from the sea onto the Normandy coast, creating the worst conditions, making it more dangerous for the hovercraft.
So would the Hovercraft have been better?
Certainly, there are advantages to using the Hovercraft, but I don't personally think that they would have been applicable for Normandy.
Many of the things used would have confused the Germans. The floating tanks, for example, weren't something that they expected. Of course many were lost, especially on the US beeches, so didn't make it to the beeches. Had a Hovercraft landing with Tanks been possible, then certainly this would have helped immensely.
Fantastic! Intelligent, articulate and in depth far beyond most YT "documentaries"
Those logistics personnel were some tough sons of beaches.
Dad?
One of the best history books I read was "Crusade in Europe" by Eisenhower... It covered these logistics in detail along with all of the run up to D-Day... Fascinating book and great companion to this doc. Amazing what can be accomplished without computers!
I was just wondering when the next o e would be out :) Now ima going to head over to nebula to watch it :)
Interesting @ 21:54 the clip is from World War 1. You can tell by the truck, uniforms (Especially the WWI wide brimmed campaign hats) and the way everyone moves in these old film/footage.
how could they build all this and not be seen in those 150 days?
By hiding it. Some in plain sight by sinking them until needed. Others like the old ships didn't need hiding.
Air superiority
The clip of the harbour between 4:14 to 4:24 is called The Cobb at Lyme Regis, Dorset.
21:18 Why is Switzerland partially red? Switzerland stayed neutral for the entire war and has not been captured by the Germans!
So that the map looks prettier
Switzerland didn’t have the moral strength to join the allies and fight fascism. As a matter of fact they helped former Nazis escape after the war.
@@XxBloggs Switzerland is neutral since 1815 and is commited not to fight in a war, so they weren't allowed to fight unless they would have been attacked themselves...which thankfully didn't happen!
My farther was on board HMS Centurion ,correct they stayed aboard when they sunk her, they did tell my father you may want to stay top side while at sea the bulkheads have been removed and a charge is set in the hull, If we hit a mine were going down fast. The deck was also piled high with coal.
Why am I here? Because HOI4 is adding mulberry harbors in next dlc
It's rare that I get to hear a WWII story that I've never even heard mention of before and other than knowing the allies had obviously set up something for ships to harbour in I've never heard any of this. Great story, presentation and explanation! Thank you sir.
British government then: Design a revolutionary floating harbour, tow it across the channel and assemble it in 5 days while simultaeneously operating an amphibious assault
British government now: Can't build a road in 5 years.
Great strong narration, and no dramatic shot teaser played every minute like other war documentaries.
"These were basically boats made of concrete"
Science
Wait until you hear about pykrete
Mythbusters liked this.
This was one. Of the biggest engineering projects and mind clusterflucks of human history and the people who made it possible are hero’s.
Is this a reupload? Because I thought this first episode was already on this channel?
Regardless, the other episodes are worth it, very good watch
This is a different episode in the series.
I live in southern Indiana, US.
I have toured the LST325 in Evansville, and it opened my eyes to how essential they were to the victory at D-Day.
Have you considered a video on the landing ships of D-Day?
Imagine doing a video about a topic that hasn't already been beaten to death for like 60 years.
Imagine multiple docs on the same topic being made. OMG like how terrible. Unlike alot of them this is very specific in just the logistics of one day. So what if there's been others?
Hi It was realized that if a LST was beached to unload it would be there for at least the next ten hours while waiting for the next tide,during this time it could and was bombed and strafed by the Luftwaffe and possibley lost also the beaches would become over crowded. The Mullberry Harbours allowed ships to come and go as needed a Liberty ship could be unloaded in two hours therfore more Arms etc could be landed using the Harbours than the beaches.
Another item which should be mentioned is the American See Bees [ Construction Battalion ] who when harbour A was lost they moved into harbour B and worked alongside the Royal Engineers to Save and Rebuild it.
Love it, thats the kind of video that "we" want 🙂
Who is "we"? This was like yet another one of those boring documentaries on the History channel about the war.
Came here because of the post showing how UA-cam wasn't delivering this content because of it being about war even though it's completely objective and fascinating. I realize financially these are sustainable unless UA-cam will deliver them and not flag them inappropriately. Just wanted to show my support. I have been a long time watcher of the channel and really value your content. Thanks for putting this together, even if not sustainable due to Google's own algorithms.
Ve Soviet komrad no afford Nedula so dis is much appreciated komrad. Me and Eegor give too dahs up! And our tums are up too.
Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died
@@georgekotronakis903 The Person who wrote this had a stroke trying to copy & paste this Fascistic piece off of /pol/ too.
Thank you for giving us such a great content, watching your videos always makes me happy for some reason and I hope you're doing great with everything you do so we can enjoyed this kind of content for years to come. Thank you and good luck!!
Everyone else: We invaded France!
Engineers: No we used logistics to invade the France.
Don’t forget cryptography, espionage, Patton, and theatre tech to threaten Calais.
Wow! So much info. In my WW 2 reading, the landings at Normandy would mention mulberries and their defence. This is the very first time I have seen an in depth look at the planning, building, and maintenance of the harbor.
for like the first 10 min I thought he was saying "the LSD" pretty sure its spelled Ellise Dee or something
So did I, thanks for pointing out! He needs to run his pronunciation through a few friends before uploading these.
LST ?
Landing Ship, Tank.
Or as their crews called them
Large Slow Targets.
Brilliantly explained - Many thx! Perfect to have an Irish voice walk me thru it - D Day Blessings 2021 to all - gonna find ur patreon page - thx again!
Just realized that real engineering made himself lose money just for us broke people who can't afford nebula. Shows you how much he cares about us.
Fantastic content
fun fact: about 30% of Americans don't know that the sun is a star
Fun facts : humans kill 1 thousand sharks per hour while a shark kills a few hundred per century
@@justsomepersononyoutube9271 put it as your own comment man😁
*this gonna be a fun fact comment only*
@@brassicaolaraceaolaracea1115 okay
Fun fact: North-Americans also think that everything they don't like is Communism/Socialism.
Not very bright.
So glad you did a video on the Mulbary Harbour my grandad helped build them
Thames is pronounced like "tems", not "thems"
This is literally the only reason I came to the comment section and I’m surprised more people have spoken about it
I really appreciate this channel and the great content, but I find the hard Irish accent really hard to listen to for too long.
@Pete is never wrong nothing about construction is mentioned tho??
@Pete is never wrong But the subtitles that he uploaded (English - Irish) says Thames. So do the auto-generated ones, but that's not saying much.
If any of you want to actually see the boats and structures in this video come to Portsmouth UK. There's a Dday museum with actual landing craft on display. 4 miles east of the museum a section of mulberry harbour wall was partially sunk just off the beach and is still there to see.
I was in Prussia with my wife. Otherwise I would have thrown away allied back to the seas
Hi Rommel
@@Bobert2020 hey dude
@@erwinrommel9137 ayy Rommel replied
@@Bobert2020 ❤️
@@erwinrommel9137 :)
Very cool vid You don’t hear about this stuff in documentary’s on tv thank you for bringing to light these men’s brave sacrifices crucial to winning the war 👍
Sorry, how did you just pronounce the Thames? It's a silent H
@Pete is never wrong unfortunately Pete is wrong this time. 12:29
@Pete is never wrong he says they were building them on the Thames, so, I don't know what you mean.
@Pete is never wrong really? seems like an odd place to do it- getting them out to sea through all the narrow canals and waterways of the fens seems like a ballache?
Not to mention the problems of teaching a local population with 6 toes and 3 fingers how to manufacture something haha
I think he knows that and is trolling.
24:03 Maybe a video/mini series about the logistics of Operation Market Garden?