Croatian Improvised Weapons: From Obrez to Single-Shot Yugo M70 Hybrid
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During the Croatian Homeland War - as in all wars of independence - a wide variety of cobbled-together firearms were used by people who could not access proper factory arms for one reason or another. Today I'm as the Sisal Municipal Museum looking at four different examples from specifically the Sisal area in Croatia. Two are 16ga shotguns (16ga was more common there than the 12ga we are used to in the US), one is a classic Enfield "Obrez", and one is a neat hybrid of a Yugoslav M70 AK onto a single shot break action frame.
Thanks to the Sisak Municipal Museum for giving me access to film these!
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There is always something special about improvised weapons.
I guess it's the ingenuity that is required to make one. Someone might not have the best tools or materials available, so they have to improvise, hence why the shotguns were made from car parts.
@@twistedyogertamen - did someone drop a 16 gauge shell into the steering column pipe? Or, did some reloading guy notice the numbers? Was the car originally made out of shotguns?
Positive waves.
there is, but then you still have idiots online who look at such things and call them "Cursed" without even using an ounce of their brains
@@Gojiro7 nice observation. "Here we see the mall-ninja, shitposting in his native habitat..."
I myself like the relatability of many of them. The kind of feeling that makes you go "I could probably do that. I _should_ go do that."
In the Philippines it was WW2 Jeep steering column outers, those are apparently 12ga.
Who would have guessed that so many steering columns are of a shotgun bore?
Similar story from Yugoslavia. Apparently, steering column of a locally produced FIAT 500 was used for the same purpose
In West Africa, they use Citrôen 2CV tortion bars to make 12ga barrels.
This was back when steering columns were solid lengths of metal that pointed directly at the driver's sternum.
Repurposed car parts are very good for weapon use because they are always made out of excellent quality steel, properly heat treated.
A gague is a standard unit of measurement for round tubes of all sorts. So it kinda makes sense in that regard. Now them all being *common* shotgun gagues is a lot more unique. But yeah, round metal tubes were made to gague standards for ages
Yikes! The muzzle flash from that .303 would have been visible across the Adriatic, especially if they were using old Mk. 7 ball loaded with cordite. Not to mention the report!
A combined ballistic-concussive weapon.
Usually you use ammo with half powder charge with those, but I'm sure a lot of guys fired that things with standard non-molested ammo, scary.
It's the new Elbonian flare gun/signaling device. 😂
@@me.ne.frego.you spelled fun wrong
I BEG YOUR PARDON?
The enfield 'pistol' has the cool factor.
I’m both appalled and lusting for the Enfield-Obrez.
The Jawas can definitely see the cool factor
it's absolutely nasty in the best way
A friend of mine has a mosin nagant "pistol" with about a 5 inch barrel. The thing is basically a flamethrower.
Looks like a Star Wars weapon
Argentina sent literally Tons of weapons to Croatia (lots of well liked Croat immigrants here), specially FAL rifles in 7.62 NATO and 155mm artillery ammo. Plus quite a few Officers.
I made a similar comment here but was eliminated by YT censorship. The OTO-Melara howitzers travelled in plain sight over the deck and nobody saw them! haha
Hi! Croat here. I think the "Obrez" is also called "štuc" in Croatia.
Go to Vukovar War Memorial Museum in Croatia and you’ll see improvised on a whole new level
neznam jeli pratiš kanal dugo i dali ti je uopće važno. dugo je koristio termin građanski rat dok ja nisam intervenirao. sad je homeland war
@@jureboban6658
Hvala na intervenciji.
Da, pratim kanal od samog pocetka I primjetio sam to.
Da mu bar netko hoce pokazat gdje je sve improvizirano oruzije koristeno i da ako kopa dovoljno (kod babe na tavanu)naici ce na zlato…😉
@@jureboban6658 Točniji prijevod ne bi mogo smislit
Dear lord I remember seeing like 3 shelves next to each other, filled with improvised guns. The funny thing is NONE of them look alike. It´s like the creators didn´t want to standardize
Those weapons Mr. Ian is displaying were created out of desperation and will to defend their home, by who ever had some knowledge in the field to create them. Croatia had no weapons when the war started, and Vukovar fell after a heavy siege for that very reason. My friend who witnessed it all firsthand often remembered how people felt about not being able to defend themselves.
This video displays a valuable piece of history. Have a good look at these weapons, and reflect on today. Thanks for the video
"obrez" is just a word for something that has been cut down or sawn off. You can have a Mosin obrez, a classic double barrel obrez, a Berdan obrez and whatever else you feel like chopping the stock and long barrel off of
I like the sound of mosin obrez.
I've been told it is also the word for circumcised
Neat
Hunt Shodown anyone?
@@Brothers_Cherenkov It's a noun, so you can like fiddle it in that way, but it's usually transformed into an adjective with some suffixes and stuff.
They’ve basically created a California-compliant akm. Genius.
Yeah, I made it for you, so you can go in the city with your transvestite friends. :) Making LBQT stuff.
Bin ich geblockt? ¿?
Hoffentlich.@@Gurkenkasper
@@Puxi Danke!
@@GurkenkasperI can also see your comment.
Today, we learnt that when in Croatia, always make sure that the steering wheel is still connected before driving off. 😄
You wouldn't want it to WHIFF OUT OF THE WINDOW WHILE YOU DRIVING
A black powder variant of the obrez pistol or chopped long gun is the blanket gun, aka canoe gun, named for the chopped muskets that pioneers and mountain-men trappers used in lieu of pistols. They chopped the barrel and the buttstock from a .75 or .69 caliber musket so it was just big enough to fit in the blanket roll on their backpacks. It was handy enough to use while in a canoe, hence its other name.
I bought one from a gunsmith in North Little Rock, Arkansas, made from a 12 gauge percussion cap muzzle-loading shotgun with a very thick and strong steel barrel that can take heavy powder loads (70 to 140 grains) along with a .69 to .71 patched ball. Or just load it up with shot. Luckily, in most states and jurisdictions, antique black powder firearms and their modern replicas are not subject to sawed-off shotgun and short barrel rifle laws.
Can you make a video on your weapon? I would like to see it.
@@ATruckCampbell Uh, oh. Glowie alert.
@@epicsasquatch452 How dare I like firearms, I must be a glowie. You do know realize everyone thinking everyone else is a glowie is most likely fostered to divide people right? Get over it.
The blanket gun was generally a native American thing. When a Northwest guns barrel would be damaged it would be cut down. They had rather thin barrel walls and were of somewhat lower quality though not really dangerous. However, a kick from a horse or a fall off of same could dent the barrel so it would have to be cut down. They didn't really cut off the buttstock either.
I build custom flintlock firearms including Northwest trade guns and have a collection of original barrels and whole guns that I use as a reference. An interesting tool that was made out of barrels about two feet long is a hide scraper. You forge weld the end shut and flat and file teeth into the flattened end. It works about the same as a canon bone from a buffalo which was the original material, but its not nearly so heavy. I have one that I found in a junk shop about ten years ago and you can tell that the barrel came from a Northwest Company trade gun. Cool thing is the Northwest company merged with the Hudson's Bay company in 1821 so there would be no more Northwest company touchmarks on barrels after that year.
BTW, the traders and trappers just used normal pistols. Usually former military pistols, but the Ketland company made thousands of pistols for the Indian trade. They also made a kit for company gun builders to use and they send everything but the stock. It takes about a day and a half to build a pistol that way if you include decorative engraving on it.
@@ATruckCampbell To be fair you did phrase it suspiciously like a fed.😂 Especially after he mentioned antiques were a sort of sbr/sbs-loophole
Man, those early Springfield Armory guns were pretty rough…
My dad first took my grandpas over under hunting shotgun as a weapon before he joined the army. He then got what I believe was a PPS-43 when I show him the photos online (although he mentions something about it having something to do with Spain) that was oddly identified as Shpagin in the papers. Then got a Russian AK, then a brand new Bulgarian one, that he never fired either. Evidently from the video, some didn't have a privilege of a WW2 smg either.
Sounds like he had a dux-53 submachine gun. It's a Spanish copy of the Finnish M/44 submachine gun, which is in itself a copy of the PPS43
Intersting details, thanks! Maybe your dad was issued a Spanish DUX, which resembled a PPS 43?
@@m.j.mahoney8905 @Lincoln_and_the_poor-boys that could be it! What puzzled me was him saying it was registered as a Shpagin (differentiating between PPS and PPŠ wasn't the top priority in '91), saying it was Spanish and saying it had the bent piece of metal as a muzzle brake. I believe he also said a straight mag.
The mystery might be over. Thank you both!
@@ace_098 That sounds like it! The M/44 & DUX-53 were essentially copies of the PPS, but chambered in 9mm, and accepting Suomi mags (both box & drum). They had that characteristic bent sheet metal brake from the PPS as well. Wonder how it ended up in Croatia? Super interesting, thanks for sharing.
@@pguth98Spain is kinda close to Croatia. A fishing boat could do it
I love the improvised weapon content it never ceases to impress
I can't get over the fact that some geezer's duck hunting gun, that got modified into an insurgent weapon, will because of this video be in video games about the apocalypse until the actual apocalypse happens.
Geez🦆
"Improvised guns hit different"- Shinzo Abe
Oh lordy 😂
I love how on the underfolder it still has a nice checkered foregrip. So much of the rest of the gun is improvised but that one piece is clearly from a good sporting shotgun.
16 gauge shotgun is still actually quite popular in Europe.
You know it’s gonna be a good day when Gun Jesus posts a video of improvised weapons
The Obrez is mainly associated with the Russian Civil War (1917 to 1922) and the raging of criminality that followed. Much less with WWII, although there are accounts of the Partisans cutting down their long 1891/30 rifes to carbine length, somtimes on a semi-industrial scale.
Look. A rare American Civil War cavalry carbine in 7.62x39mm 😳
When i , Brittas boyfriend, started in early 1980s to read weapons magazines in german language, i saw a similar gun in .22 Hornet, described as , Schonzeitbüchse'. Büchse means rifle, and Schonzeit is the time, when by german hunting law hunting is not allowed. In this Schonzeit the regular hunting guns are not in use, because hunting is not allowed. But when german hunters in this time do something in context with hunting, they carry a small rifle in .22 or shotgun in .410, for the case, something unexpected happens.
Yeah,fiat steering column barrel fits 16 perfect. I am from Croatia,it was common to do this before and after the war.
More improvised weapons please...very interesting at every level imo.
Thanks for all of these vids over the years.
The Lee-Obrez is a thing of beauty. That said, a couple of sheet metal plates to seal up the trigger mechanism would be a vast improvement. It’d make a magazine hold a little more comfortable and protect the operating bits.
I want to make the underfolder 16ga shotgun!😍
"obrez" which literraly means "sawed-off" is a jargon term which is used to decribe sawed-off shotguns. Was mostly used in 90's with all of the illigal groups having those.
Every time you snap one of those old guns, I imagine the firing pin flying out the barrel.
It's ironic that in the US "shotgun-pistols" are illegal, at least with a smooth bore. In my country those are called "pistolones", very popular guns for many years with minimal regulations, but limited to 28 gauge, being the vast majority in 32 gauge (called 14mm here) and 36 gauge (called 12 chico here).
More ironic they are considered common arms there. Being the very big issue in U.S. with the 2nd amendment applying only to so called common arms. But short shotguns are not allowed so can't be in common use.
@@victorbruce5772 Here you can put a shoulder stock in any handgun freely, but supressors and body armor are prohibited items for civilians. People with a special collector's credential can have any full auto gun, but that level of credential is really hard to get.
Supongo que escribís desde Argentina, Saludos desde la Patagonia.
@@bulukacarlos4751 Sí, desde Buenos Aires. El término "doce chico" es más argentino que el mate, ja. Lo felices que deben haberse puesto los combatientes croatas cuando recibieron todo el armamento que Menem le sacó al EA!
The strangest thing is that they are legal, so long as they are manufactured in the way. They are then considered a "12 gauge firearm". Make it yourself, it is a "short barrel shotgun"
However if you put a VFG on this "12 gauge firearm" it then becomes an "any other weapon" which requires an additional... 5 dollars
If you gaijin think Americans are dorky and confusing you need to stay away from trying to understand the laws here they are hackneyed and contradictory attempts at filling gaps which are not there and coverage that would be there if a law that was attempting to be passed at the time had passed.
At the beginning, it was really difficult to get weapons, so all sorts of things were done in garages
When the black market for the former states of the USSR started working, it was easier when we conquered barracks from the former army
Now I have a delicious idea for a single shot break action rifle...
I'm in love with that awful Enfield Obrez 😭😍😍😍
My uncle had one just like the first one you showed, during the war in Bosnia 92. He made it himself. Still remember him shooting the thing at the bucket in front yard.
// I Love the ingenuity of Shed Guns... like that Aussie SMG.
the OWEN GUN!
funnily enough, not too long ago my father told me about how they made shotguns from the fiat 500 (fićo) steering columns (and how they tested them by shooting washing machines). this was before the war though.
When can we expect to see these in backup gun matches?
I could see another book coming out of this. That would be another that I'd buy in a heartbeat!
Always cool to see the weapons that will be used after WWIII
The 16-Gauge is very much used in France and southern Europe for hunting weapons, rivalling the popularity of the 12-Gauge.
Гильза с зарядом 16 калибра используется в минометных минах. Во время войны она более доступна с артиллерийских армейских складов, армия 12 калибр не применяет
In Germany cal. 16 was formerly popular for combined rifle/ shotgun hunting weapons.
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UA-cam sucks even more all of a sudden.
Thanks for sharing, Ian!
Ian, when you cover improvised or shed built weapons you should add in whether or not you would fire it based on condition, build quality, materials, round psi etc. It would be interesting for us watching to know how dangerous these are to the user vs their target like some of the warlord era firearms you’ve shown us 😂 just a “shoot it or toss it” would be enough. Merci!
These were almost certainly used in combat my man. My dad didn't know what they were, but he told me about guys fighting armed with all sorts of garbage. From hunting shotguns and carabines to home made concoctions like this. We didn't receive any international aid up until quite a bit later during the war. We even had an embargo placed on us in '91 which prevented us from buying and importing any weapons, all the while Serbia took almost all the stockpiles of Yugoslav people's army weapons and ammo.
Would you want to use a weapon like this? No.
Is it better than nothing? Yes.
I think the reason that Ian didn't comment on that at all in this one is because all of these guns are VERY OBVIOUSLY fit to fire.
It's always fun to go down the rabbit hole for obscure firearms and see McCollum, Ian, or Forgotten Weapons in the references.
2:18 I love how that one looks! Sooo steampunk... Needs only a few completely useless, but cool brass decorations here and there😆
That under folder shotgun looks pretty good. A design based on it that cleans it up a bit and adds a tube feeding system and semi auto function would be a potentially good design for a police shotgun. An underfolder would help portability but it could be difficult to fit a semi auto action on a under folding stock shotgun. Still a nice thought experiment.
It's amazing to me how ingenuitive some people are or can be.
I love your channel please keep making videos.
That break-action M70 is basically just a CVA Scout in 300 BLK but homemade and Yugo. If someone hand-loaded some 7.62x39 subs and threw a homemade suppressor on that baby, you'd have the same gun. Which is a cool thought.
Also in my country 16 was more common than 12, but in the late 90's it started to disappear.
Obrez in Russian means “cut-off him or chop-off”(verbatim transliteration). Typical obrez is a Mosin-Nagant bolt action. In its obrez form it was also colloquially called the “farmer’s joy”.
3:43 wouldn’t it be more important to keep the muzzle velocity from the full length barrel while also keeping the compactness of a folding stock
That Obrez looks like it would be incredibly painful to shoot.
"Hey man cool home made flare gun!"
"Flare gun?"
A great very interesting video Mr.GJ.Have a good one.
The purpose made guns really show the times and environment of the places they were made, like fighting time capsules.
Next to the AK47 and the Mauser rifle the enfield is the most prolific military rifle in the world ..so surprise it’s the foundation to an improvised firearm…
I kinda love the break-barrel built with the AK barrel and sights.....
Great topic!
Hello Ian, did you have a chance to look at RT 20 while in Croatia?
In so early it was still Yugoslavia
Amazing assortment of improv-guns!
love these Croatian videos brother
Obrez pistols, and shotgun pistols are just so neat.
Meanwhile in the Philippines, WW2 Guerillas discovered that the Jeep steering column worked well for 12 gauge
Man I love these weapons
Is it wrong I want to see all these on the range? especially the enfield pistol
Nice video, greetings from a Croat from Sisak :)
Homeland Wars, basically Fallout 4 IRL. With less super mutants.
Would love to see more of improvised firearms. It’s hard to find any videos on them.
As already mentioned in the comments, "obrez" is just "sawn-off" without any further connotations, smoothbore or rifled. As for the historical period, the word is commonly used from 1917 Civil war through WW2 to modern era in guerilla and criminal context.
I need that 2nd single-shot pistol in my life... That may be the most steampunk firearm I've ever seen, lol
just pickup a old russian flare gun they look similar and you can put a adapter in it to shoot modern 12 gauge (flares).
These would look right at home in Final Fantasy XIV. *Especially* the Lee-Enfield pistol.
The folding stock on the shotgun would be good for keeping the stock out of overhanging branches whilst slung in the woods. Looks more like a sustenance/illegal hunting shotgun than a clandestine weapon of war.
I'd expect to see more SMG's in future wars. Gun knowledge has progressed a bit in the past 100 years and hopefully more people would be able to figure out Luty-style improvisation.
The crazy thing is, the Croatian Homeland War was in 1991-1995. I can't imagine using such primitive weapons in such modern times.
@@dwaneanderson8039 Yeah, that's a bit late to the game to have primitive weapons.
@@anon_y_mousse but as Croatians were practically completely disarmed by Yugoslav army months before Croatia separation from Yugoslavia and before war was imminent.. those steampunk inprovisations was only thing we can get/make at he time and it was better than bare hands and stones .. maybe not so much due to its real effectiveness but rather as psychological/moral tools 😁
@@anon_y_mousse It got the job done. Everyone expected JNA to steamroll over Croatia, all things considered. They got their teeth kicked in by volunteers armed with hunting weapons and garbage like this in many areas.
@@stipeercegovic8333 I'm assuming that means that hardware stores were out as an option in sourcing materials, because you'd be surprised how effective they can be for making anything, at least here in the US.
Обрез(Obrez) in Russian means any non-pistol handgun (rifle, shotgun) that is cut to be really compact under clothes but also deadly.(Used during Russian Civil war, WWII, post-soviet 90s(Balcan conflicts, criminal and terrorist groups))
the Obrez enfield ! 😍
Two of those break-open guns have a locking system much like old Stevens "Tip-Up" rifles and pistols.
Having a folding stock definitely makes you a cool guy based on my experience in the Finnish military. :) Our unit had RK95s with folding stocks and we certainly thought we were the cool guys compared to all the plebs with the basic RK62 with it's pipe stock, we were like super elite just because we had cool folding stocks. To be fair, it was a very useful feature to have overall but especially for me as the commander for an CV90 as there's no rifle stowage in it so you had to just put your rifle in one of the turret stowage bins which had very limited space.
Under-folding stock, y'all!
I'm in with the In Crowd!
That Enfield obrez is aesthetically pleasing.
Croatia is such a lovely country would love to move there one day
Very interesting and informative, greetings from England 🇬🇧
Awesome thanks 👍
You got shotgun in my AK.
You got AK in my shotgun.
The Enfield-Obrez looks strangely perfect...? 😅
In Che"s@, " Guerilla Warfare " , he describes how to turn a shot-gun into a Molotov-cocktail launcher.
Mother of God, the receiver on that underfolder is BRAZED just behind the breechblock.
Slightly terrifying, probably fine.
That single shot AK rifle is extremely interesting. Makes me wonder why this sort of thing isnt more common for hunting/plinking/civilian applications as a cheap alternative to an AR.
As far as I know, hunters do not value the original military AK cartridge, and few companies (none?) make its modification that is good for hunting.
For some country it's because of stupid "restricted cartridge" law, which means certain types of ammo is only allowed for military and police use
DarkestVampire92: It will become common in States where they don't have 2nd Amendment Rights such as Washington & Ore
Lots of Men on the Republican side of the Pacific Northwest build their own firearms.
@@Eric-vs2he This may be a problem in some countries, but you know, for example in Poland we had a semi-automatic version of the AK offered by a factory, with a longer barrel, especially for hunting. Hunters, however, despised this weapon. The hunter explained to me: "I can only legally kill a small deer with this weapon. Not a wild boar, because it weighs more and hunting law requires a stronger cartridge."
While the final weapon was never intended for use at extended ranges, it could easily be adapted to mount an optic by replacing the rear sight leaf with a section of picatinny rail, like the products manufactured by Attero Arms or Strike Industries.
That alone makes it the most practical of the lot. That said, I’d take the Lee-Obrez over any of the other offerings, despite the obvious shortcomings. That said, a couple of sheet metal plates to cover the exposed trigger mechanism would be a vast improvement.
Wow '' Great Video 💯 Thank you Ian 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
looks like some mad max stuff there
These cobble job weapons make me think of Metro Exodus.
Especially the one with the rigged up magazine and Enfield reciever parts.
The Italian car pictured is a FIAT 600. Very popular car here (Argentina) during 60s and 70s. Grettings from Argentine Patagonia.
Ian: the center support bar in the steering wheel had the exact dianeter of 16 gauge...
Everyone, busy taking notes in their little black moleskine 😂
When you smell the nose killing smell of cheap perfume and the smell of cheap cigarettes and a man rocks up with these guns wearing stolen sunglasses you know you in trouble
Holy F### ! I remember those ! Nearly broke my wrist firing a pistol/shotgun when I was in the ZNG.
Holy C### ! might even have been that very one !
Now thats a SHORT Magazine Lee Enfield.
Very cool
It’s amazing what people will make to protect themselves and fight for freedom
After this improvised "live grenade" grenade thrower, nothing will surprise me anymore.
The Revolution Museum, or whatever it's called, in Cuba has a cut down 16 gauge shotgun that was specifically modified to act as a grenade launcher/mortar.
Very interesting to see what people can do to fabricate weapons when they have so little to work with?
Bog i dom!