I used to play my clarinet in a music ministry at a church. They always waited until the congregation was there to do any sound check, etc. I was supposed to play a solo, but the church organist decided to improvise the music and I was lost and stopped playing with the spotlight still on me. I have a degree in music and couldn't overlook the unprofessionalism and left. They tried to justify it by saying it is not a professional performance. I told them that is no excuse for unprofessional behavior. That church organist eventually got fired.
There is a time and a place for everything. During service, in front of the congregation, is not the place or time to humiliate the choir and current leader by telling them you do not feel their singing is up to par. Wisdom would say do this in private, during a rehearsal, and do it in love. Seems like people will say amen to everything a pastor says these days.
This is probably the “nth” time he has mentioned it on the Low. (Probably even in his sermons, too.) Maybe he thought it was time for a more Direct Approach.
Oh please. That congregation has probably been sick of this, and been “biting their tongues” (and Gossiping about it) for a Minute, now. They probably slipped him an extra “Love Gift” that day.
Sometimes OPEN rebuke is what’s needed, according to the Bible. If he has warned them on previous occasions, then biblically, as a Pastor, he’s obligated to tell them openly if they have previously ignored his reprimands!! So until we know all the circumstances, we can’t say he was wrong!!
Yea that should've been said in rehearsal not embarrassing the choir even though they do sound very bad. Not just one person the entire choir and the pianist.
It is a reoccurring motif in music ministry. Someone is always chosen by leadership to direct a chorus but have absolutely no training. As to music, one mustn't make choices based upon a person's enthusiasm. Neither is something from on high going to fall and provide one with supernatural enablement. Discipline is not the enemy of enthusiasm.
Exactly..even the person playing the piano was off just playing random stuff smh... if the entire choir is sounding like this then that's 100% a lack of teaching and vocal training. A sincere heart means nothing with teaching and growth.. They kinda remind me of the nuns who were on the choir on Sister Act. They were absolute trash until Deloris (whoopi goldberg) came in.
@rachelmm05 There are alot of unknowns here; one being who placed the individual who heads this chorus, was there an interview to differentiate the " can " and the " cannots ", how much prep time, who put leadership in place ?
He was telling the truth!! Sometimes the people with the worst voice loves to lead most of the songs, because people are afraid to offend them. But that Pastor should be commended for being honest! Because God wants the person with the skill and anointing to sing, not the untalented and bold!
THIS TIME... THE PASTOR SHOULD STAND HIS GROUND... AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A SENIORS CHOIR... THE CHOIR DIRECTOR AND CHOIR ASKED FOR THIS CORRECTION...
The Pastor was NOT wrong, if he’s told them previously, because the Bible makes it clear that open rebuke is good to make others take heed. I use to be over the choir, and it’s unbelievable how many people want to lead songs, but can’t sing, and they’ll get mad if you kindly tell them NO! Look on those folks that use to come on American Idol, who thought they could sing, because nobody wanted to offend them. They embarrassed themselves, and they would also cuss the judges out!😅
Is there no chain of command? Pastor should let the Worship leader know. The Worship leader makes the adjustment. But if the Pastor already had a talk with the Worship leader, and nothing changed, then yes, this also got the job done.
This is not the time and place to say this. I have sung in a choir in the past and yes, there are those that are tone deaf. But this was handled distastefully. How embarrassing and insulting for those choir members. Church isn’t a production, and some lose sight of this. It’s suppose to be worship, not performances.
What does singing has to do with the teaching of Jesus. Are the singing verses from the Bible? How does singing in the church brings you close to God???
Good question tbf - but in the Bible, there are instances where people sang or danced to God as an act of worship and appreciation. For example after God parted the Red Sea and freed the Israelites from Egypt, Moses and the Israelites burst into song 🎶 I think we all have our ways of connecting to God through our own interests - like I’m a musical person and I really connect to God through that. So I think God connects to us in the way he’s made us 😊
I'm not mad because I've been in churches where there absolutely WERE people who couldn't sing their way through a wet sheet of tissue paper but were always the ones who insisted on leading the songs. Unfortunately, the choir directors didn't have the spines to tell them no. This falls on the director! Don't be mad at the (non) singers. Everybody did their own soundcheck in the shower that morning where even a laborious mule would sound half-decent. lol
INappropriate behavior from the pulpit, very inappropriate! Vid does not care whether we are “expert singers” or not. Not does he care what this man thinks of people singing to him. Scripture says to “make a joyful noise” NOT an expert or beautiful noise unto the Lord. This man apparently does not even know what scripture says about singing praise! Embarrassing!
@@malakaivfx1770 not really though. He hasn't attended choir practice? He couldn't have told them that behind the scenes? In front of everyone is tacky.
It may have been funny, but he was wrong for it. And it makes me wonder where his heart and spirit really is if HE THINKS this was appropriate. I’ve seen and experienced my fair share of arrogant non-spiritual pastors only out for self promotion in my lifetime; so I do have a reference point.
People on here taking about “old people,” and “new blood.” Sorry. But there are a Lot of “old people” who can take it “right on in” with some Gospel. CISSY HOUSTON, DIONNE WARWICK, SHIRLEY CAESAR, PATTI LaBELLE. Even CHAKA KHAN and VALERIE SIMPSON. You can find their “Counterparts” in just about every congregation. Respect, y’all. Just Saying.
He was supposed to say that during rehearsal, not during the service.
Thisss.
Unless they only act out in front of a crowd
AT CHOIR REHEARSAL, THE CHOIR DIRECTOR IS AT FAULT... THE SINGER IS RELATED TO SOMEONE BIG IN THE CHURCH...
@@southerngirl1960Exactly!!! 😂
I used to play my clarinet in a music ministry at a church. They always waited until the congregation was there to do any sound check, etc. I was supposed to play a solo, but the church organist decided to improvise the music and I was lost and stopped playing with the spotlight still on me. I have a degree in music and couldn't overlook the unprofessionalism and left. They tried to justify it by saying it is not a professional performance. I told them that is no excuse for unprofessional behavior. That church organist eventually got fired.
That Part! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jesus, Bless they hearts!!!
It’s the “whoa whoa whoa” in the beginning for me LOL
YESSSSSSSSSSSS. I keep rewinding it just to hear that part and HOLLER each time, like it’s the first time I heard it. FUNNNEEEEEEE😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣 “I want cha’ll ta stop this.”💀
He was fed up😂😂
Dang, he gone make everybody leave the choir.
Maybe some real singers will replace them.
Tomorrow it will be empty lol.. 😂
@@brodocbetty4856not if it’s unpaid lol
If they are there for the wrong reasons
Let them go
‘You make me say these things’… classic toxic behaviour
There is a time and a place for everything. During service, in front of the congregation, is not the place or time to humiliate the choir and current leader by telling them you do not feel their singing is up to par. Wisdom would say do this in private, during a rehearsal, and do it in love. Seems like people will say amen to everything a pastor says these days.
This is probably the “nth” time he has mentioned it
on the Low. (Probably even in his sermons, too.)
Maybe he thought it was time for a more Direct Approach.
That is true. I am horrified at how that person who was singing must have felt, the humiliation.
If You're Not An Expert Singer....Sit Down😂🤣
Lol
@@trinity1luvHeaven Truth is it too many old folks in the church and up there. They need some young people and maybe it will sound better!
That's exactly the problem. Those who cannot think that they can.
He is wrong for busting them out😂😂😂😂😂
Whose better to tell it
Lommfa
We are doing this for God's glory, God doesn't want you entertained, He wants your worship voice, even if leadership doesn't like it.
"Make a joyful noise unto the LORD..." That is from Psalm 100. Our worship is beautiful to the Lord, even if our voice may sound more like "noise" :)
Glory to the Lamb of God risen!@@aynako1538
Let all things be done DECENTLY and in order
Oh please. That congregation has probably been sick of this, and been “biting their tongues” (and Gossiping about it) for a Minute, now.
They probably slipped him an extra “Love Gift” that day.
@@joiisler8986😂😂😂😂
Some preachers need to be stopped in their tracks as well.
Some preachers just need to shut up and preach. This fool is out of line!
Just like that “Whoa whoa whoa…” 😂
Maybe no one else is volunteering. What about those who can't preach? Who's gonna call them out?
Haha
I will be at church every Sunday waiting for the fuss out!! 😂😂😂
The whole choir old let them make it pastor.
Amen
😆😂🤣
Pastor telling it like it is
Leaders know when and where to rebuke and that ain’t the time
Sometimes OPEN rebuke is what’s needed, according to the Bible. If he has warned them on previous occasions, then biblically, as a Pastor, he’s obligated to tell them openly if they have previously ignored his reprimands!! So until we know all the circumstances, we can’t say he was wrong!!
@@marjorjorietillman856Preach!!
You're right but he's up in age and you lose inhibitions as you get older... You just say it like it ..T I ...Tis
Yea that should've been said in rehearsal not embarrassing the choir even though they do sound very bad. Not just one person the entire choir and the pianist.
@@rachelmm05 Maybe you should tell God, not us!
It is a reoccurring motif in music ministry. Someone is always chosen by leadership to direct a chorus but have absolutely no training. As to music, one mustn't make choices based upon a person's enthusiasm. Neither is something from on high going to fall and provide one with supernatural enablement. Discipline is not the enemy of enthusiasm.
Exactly..even the person playing the piano was off just playing random stuff smh... if the entire choir is sounding like this then that's 100% a lack of teaching and vocal training. A sincere heart means nothing with teaching and growth.. They kinda remind me of the nuns who were on the choir on Sister Act. They were absolute trash until Deloris (whoopi goldberg) came in.
@rachelmm05
There are alot of unknowns here; one being who placed the individual who heads this chorus, was there an interview to differentiate the " can " and the " cannots ", how much prep time, who put leadership in place ?
I can’t stop watching this LOL!!!!!!
Yup. Ditto
"You'll hear from me & guess what, I don't care"😂😂😂😂😂
Woo Chile!
This pastor was out of order. Correction should have been in private.
it was the "you're not an expert at singing" for me 🤣
Inappropriate. That needs to be handled at rehearsal!!!
Everything he said had me in tears lol
Sadly
He was telling the truth!! Sometimes the people with the worst voice loves to lead most of the songs, because people are afraid to offend them. But that Pastor should be commended for being honest! Because God wants the person with the skill and anointing to sing, not the untalented and bold!
it happen before 😂😂😂 every sunday same songs played
THIS TIME... THE PASTOR SHOULD STAND HIS GROUND... AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A SENIORS CHOIR... THE CHOIR DIRECTOR AND CHOIR ASKED FOR THIS CORRECTION...
Sometimes you just have to say it like it is.
He needs to call out school choirs
Lol
This correction should take place in private. Not in front of the entire congregation.
Spiritual abuse. And yet foolish people will still follow him
Tell the truth Pastor!
Lommfa!
If this in front of the church
The truth shall set you free!!!
The Pastor was NOT wrong, if he’s told them previously, because the Bible makes it clear that open rebuke is good to make others take heed. I use to be over the choir, and it’s unbelievable how many people want to lead songs, but can’t sing, and they’ll get mad if you kindly tell them NO! Look on those folks that use to come on American Idol, who thought they could sing, because nobody wanted to offend them. They embarrassed themselves, and they would also cuss the judges out!😅
@@marjorjorietillman856I don't agree with you
Is there no chain of command? Pastor should let the Worship leader know. The Worship leader makes the adjustment. But if the Pastor already had a talk with the Worship leader, and nothing changed, then yes, this also got the job done.
Women, “Grab Your Purses” and leave. When that offering turns up short week after week, Pastor will get a case of “Act Right”
😂😂😂
The Bible speaks about open rebuke. Let the pastor be the pastor.
Let him cook 🍳 😂
Those are the "wanna-be seen" singers that cannot sing that's always the first to jump up. 😂😂😂😂
Maybe that should have been said during rehearsal... NOT in front of the entire church during service. 😐
Lol
Man these dudes are hilarious lol!!
I would have had to leave the church to keep from hollering.
😂
That choir did sound defeated, they heard that before 😂😂😂
This is why I don't go to church....good grief.
Where is the full video
Don't know
RITE 💯 Man,,, rehearsal or sing one u know please
This is not the time and place to say this. I have sung in a choir in the past and yes, there are those that are tone deaf. But this was handled distastefully. How embarrassing and insulting for those choir members. Church isn’t a production, and some lose sight of this. It’s suppose to be worship, not performances.
He did it right!!!!!!
No lies were told that day
I’m not gon hold y’all… That singing was DISRESPECTFUL!!! Lord, forgive me🤭🤭
Wow. Talk about preaching to the choir.
Not the time or place.
They were mad at him but displayed massive acquiescence for the sake of saying they tried 😂
What does singing has to do with the teaching of Jesus. Are the singing verses from the Bible? How does singing in the church brings you close to God???
Another fake Church. They care more about entertainment than learning scripture.
Good question tbf - but in the Bible, there are instances where people sang or danced to God as an act of worship and appreciation. For example after God parted the Red Sea and freed the Israelites from Egypt, Moses and the Israelites burst into song 🎶 I think we all have our ways of connecting to God through our own interests - like I’m a musical person and I really connect to God through that. So I think God connects to us in the way he’s made us 😊
I am soooooo weak 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂
That's bologna, he's a preacher and has a mike. Follow me!!! God can use the squeakiest voice and touch someone. Just let the spirit flow.
This why I don't go to church
Why don't he appoint a lead singer then. Matter of fact, why don't he hand pick the "Good Singers" in the first place.
I'm not mad because I've been in churches where there absolutely WERE people who couldn't sing their way through a wet sheet of tissue paper but were always the ones who insisted on leading the songs. Unfortunately, the choir directors didn't have the spines to tell them no.
This falls on the director! Don't be mad at the (non) singers. Everybody did their own soundcheck in the shower that morning where even a laborious mule would sound half-decent. lol
Do that in rehearsal not the service. There is a time and a place for that.
Guy needs to go visit a middle eastern church. With them, it's not about being good, it's about being loud
Wow, that’s some pastor. Shame on him. He better worry more about praying for sanctification then the entertainment.
INappropriate behavior from the pulpit, very inappropriate! Vid does not care whether we are “expert singers” or not. Not does he care what this man thinks of people singing to him. Scripture says to
“make a joyful noise” NOT an expert or beautiful noise unto the Lord. This man apparently does not even know what scripture says about singing praise! Embarrassing!
Nah this is hilarious
@@malakaivfx1770 not really though. He hasn't attended choir practice? He couldn't have told them that behind the scenes? In front of everyone is tacky.
Pastor whose the expert singer??
Lol
Hahaha …….it sound like in the beginning he said, “I want ya’ll to stop this sh**” pasta about to curse!
Can he preach??
Lol good 1
Bless that pastor's heart the truth isn't always popular but needs to be said too many people out there with the false illusion of Talent
Pastor tried it 🤣🤣🤣
He would have to catch these hands. That’s all.
Somebody can say that you’re not an expert preacher! Praise and worship isn’t a talent show competition!
I bet he cannot sing to save his life
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It may have been funny, but he was wrong for it. And it makes me wonder where his heart and spirit really is if HE THINKS this was appropriate.
I’ve seen and experienced my fair share of arrogant non-spiritual pastors only out for self promotion in my lifetime; so I do have a reference point.
People on here taking about “old people,” and “new blood.”
Sorry. But there are a Lot of “old people” who can take it “right on in” with some Gospel.
CISSY HOUSTON, DIONNE WARWICK, SHIRLEY CAESAR, PATTI LaBELLE. Even CHAKA KHAN and VALERIE SIMPSON.
You can find their “Counterparts” in just about every congregation.
Respect, y’all. Just Saying.
Is that preacher Fred Sanford?
What kind of pastor is that? If you have a problem with the singing, go to the director after church. Besides, they are not singing to him any way.
Pastor pastor pastor you so funny but right.
Disgraceful.
😳I my goodness.
Whom ever is the worship leader chose these singers. You can turn off certain microphones and leave the ones on that can actually sing
Sit awn not down awn Mrs Sara!
He didn’t help
I wanna see who it was!
Look at how old those choir members are. Time to retire them in favor of some younger women.
Is this what the black church has to offer
Preach!
Well... 🤷🏾♀️
James brown would have lost it!!!😂😂😂
🤣
...and Little Richard! 😆
@@DrPhylCunninghamlol😂
😆@@onemanarmy916
They look like they just graduated from seminary...I guess
LMAO OMG
Woah Woah Woah Woah Now😂😂😂😂
😂 noooooooooooo!!
Lawd Jesus 😂
🤣
Hire a worship pastor
This is so ridiculous that’s why I don’t do Protestant services they are like a silly variety show . He’s a clown I guess
😂😂😂
Lmao
😳😳😳😳
😬
Worship songs are to the Lord not to the audience. Its not for man to like your voice but for God to be praised. Vain nonsense
Lol
This
Is this the elderly choir? Why are they dressed like PhD graduates?
embarrassing!
Singing for an audience, or god? Make sure their clothes are up to standards too! Lol
I don’t keyair 😂😂😂😂😂