The explosion in creativity from 3d sculptors is really the best part about 3D printing. It feels good to give my hobby dollars directly to the people making the models and supporting them to make more. Looking forward to seeing what you print and paint up!
I'm looking to start painting with my kids but don't necessarily want to spoil official minis. Want to buy something less expensive and maybe different model types.
And being a direct part of that community with the creators directly involved is fantastic. I love hearing about what's inspiring them to put out different sculpts.
I was on the fence about 3D printing for a while myself. When my 30th birthday came up, a sale dropped on the photon mono 4k, so I decided to take the leap. Within the first few prints, I realized I had gotten into something sort of incredible. I get that it's not for everyone, but if you've got the space, and you're disgruntled enough by GW's prices, then I honestly can't recommend 3D printing enough. UA-cam is the only resource you need to get that machine up and running, and the different patreon subscriptions have communities that will jump at the opportunity to help novice printers with any problems that come up. Good luck getting your printer set up! I'd love to see the progress here on UA-cam!
Besides dealing with fumes and handling the resin, I’ve found it WAY easier using the resin printer vs. the FDM style printers. Haven’t had a failed print yet after a month. It just works! And the detail!
How are the prices comparing. Im thinking about getting a printer, mainly for terrain at first though. But Im not sure how much cheaper it really gets, does anyone have experience ?
@@rostigerrolf4490 Ignoring the price of the printer, the consumables and files are pennies on the dollar compared to GW boxes. Gamza has a load of videos of price comparisons if you're interested. As far as terrain, printing is cheaper than buying, but crafting is cheaper still (and often free).
@@TheFYI1 I rent so yeah I have a plank that fits in the window that I installed the system for venting the fumes. Just be sure to minimise the ability for fumes to come back in.
I love 3D printing but you are absolutely correct. If you are (understandably) not interested in investing the time in another hobby then find a buddy with a printer.
Yeah. I regret buying one during lockdown. I bought one to print minis for gloomhaven. I must have spent hundreds of hours just supporting the minis and teaching myself digital sculpting to 'fix' the stls so that they wouldnt immediately crumble. So glad there are official minis coming out.
Yep, you are not wrong. I have FDM and resin printers and spend a lot more of my hobby time on the computer making my own stl’s and just investing time in the printer tweaking, upgrades and workflow. It’s a good thing I enjoy that because my hobby painting and playing dropped off considerably. This was fine in the pandemic as the 3d printing largely replaced my gaming time, but now they are gathering dust as gaming is starting to pick up. Only so much hobby time to go around.
sure, but in that case building the plastic models before you paint them is 'a whole nother hobby' because I can say it takes me less time to print something than it does to build it out of plastic bits. but maybe thats just me.
Just pulled a custom Dwarven Blood Bowl team that I designed myself off my printer. 😁 It's amazing seeing the creativity and imagination 3D printing unlocks, and it's great how many new games I've discovered that I never would have played otherwise.
Welcome aboard :) Temperature is super important. I have a space heater below my printers in the room that they're set up in. You want to keep the temperature around 70 to 74ﾟ. Make sure you have a really good drill for drilling a hole through your house. My Milwaukee drill broke as I was going through. Pay the extra money to get a good quality Panasonic vent. The one that I installed runs at a 180 CFM and is very quiet. I think you're going to be really happy with your set up. I feel that the growbox solution might be a little overkill, but if you are serious about no fumes, give it a try. I have a winx air purifier in my print room and it does a pretty good job of dealing with the odors if not the fumes. By the way, nice to hear somebody understands the difference between fumes and odors. I wish more people did. Good luck - can't wait to see what you print!
pretty sure I've heard that carbon filters only work on the odor but do nothing for the fumes. at least I think thats what elegoo says about their filters.
I have just started getting in to Warhammer and minis, I am really enjoying the building and painting side of it, me and a coworker are putting a necromunda table together ( he has been playing for years) only problem I have is the price to get into it. I have been looking at 3D printing and saving for one instead of buying models. Really enjoy your videos they have helped me out getting started and your painting tip videos have helped my painting get better, I have Painted 12 minis and since watching your videos I can see a noticeable difference between my first paintjob and my last one I have done and I am realy happy with the way I am improving. Keep up the good work and looking forward to your next video.
3D printing is pretty fantastic for wargaming on a budget, so long as you're alright with not being able to play at GW tournaments as they enforce the use of plastic kits in those to some degree.
@@Dethraivn666 I'm fine with not playing at Gw, my friend wanted someone to play necromunda with and he gave me the crowdar gang. I found out I really like painting minis playing is a bonus for me and for my friend, just want to find a good cheap way of painting good minis. Live in a small town and traveling is hard at the moment only have one shop that does minis and most if it's Gw stuff. I know I can get stuff online it's just finding the right minis for me.
@@macroberts2009 For sure. There's a /huge/ array of STLs available and you can easily print most minis for under $0.50 USD each, it's a way better deal than you'll get out of almost any plastic kit. And for a game like Necromunda it's just absolutely perfect for all the wild and characterful, unique stuff that is out there. I've been pretty extensively using Cyberforge and Unit 9 stuff for my own Necromunda gaming. Both characters and scatter terrain bits.
Soooo good to hear positivity about 3d printing in the hobby and to see the excitement in your eyes when you talk about the miniatures available from independent sculptors such as myself. It's an inspiring time where the creator and the customer are so close to each other in the whole creative process.
i'm sorry people called you names and said stupid things, it's annoying and also sad when people acoust others for thinking differently, everyone is allowed to not want to 3d print, it shouldnt be a problem, those type of people get me upset, i love 3d printing, but even if you didnt like it, it doesnt bother me because ...why would it? you liking or dislike anything has zero effect on me, if you like the same things as me though it's a cool bonus and gives us something to talk about, thats how i see things, or try to anyways. what i love about 3d printing is this, you can hire someone or find someone who is an artist, and they can make you a super personalized mini, toy, picture frame, anything you want, and exactly how you want it, you give them a little bit of cash, they send you a file and it's YOURS, thats so amazing to me. and thats just the beginning really, you can find so many amazingly talented peoples out there floating around on the web, and they are so excited to show us what they can do, i just love it, i hate painting, i hate gluing and i have no space to store stuff , i give them away to my friends lol, i often print stuff for my friends (obviously i trust these people and i know they are not like reselling them online or anything like that) sometimes my friends even buy files online and then i print it for them cuz they cant afford a printer and i already have one. i love the community, when i first got a FDM printer i had such a hard time with it, i was in a little face book group, a guy literally drove to my place to help me get the thing working and set up , who does that? sorry i talk a lot, been awhile since i messaged on your channel. but yeah, i'm glad you like 3d printing and i'm sorry people were rude about it, that always sucks
Can't wait for THAT special twitch stream when the dea is raiding uncle atoms house. All those strange uncommon chemicals he buys, industrial grade gas masks, professional air filtration system and a high frequency meetings and encrypted communication with a PhD chemist everyone just calls "the goober"
I've been using mine to print ragingheroes minis for myself and a friend, and printing model railway bodies I made in blender that would otherwise be unavailable to own in this quality, locomotives that no company has made a model of yet. Its almost like magic and its a wonderful and useful future-right-now invention, well with the investment and the effort in my opinion.
Uncle Atom, I’m really looking forward to this journey your commencing. I’ve been on the fence about buying a 3D printer for many of the reasons you mentioned now and 3 years ago. The key things for me will be: 1. Can I buy/obtain STLs from any supplier and print them or do these machines have restricted ecosystems? 2. Can I make savings on printing overtime or is it at least as expensive as buying manufactured minis it’s just that the choice is greater? 3. Do I need to create a dedicated space because of set up times or can put it on a workbench in the garden for an afternoon and print a skirmish force? 4. Is it actually better to find the STLs I want and get someone else to print them. 5. What’s the quality really like? Am I exchanging mold-lines for strata-lines or a rough surface. Well those are some of the things on my mind re taking the plunge.
Disclaimer , I have only ordered elegoos saturn 2 , however ive been joining about 6 different discord servers and read about a dozen forums and then looked on youtube starting 2 years before Atom did his "5" years video on it , so this is my understanding so far : 1. Yes , however some machines have restricted "build" programs (those that you put your actuall STL file into called Slicers , so the printer knows what to print & where you add support if there is none). 2. Yes , comparing to the most expensive companies you can make it far less expensive , the cheaper ones you still make some savings , so its up to you how much that will be. 3. Best would be dedicated space , temperature does affect the build and might cause a failure depending on your settings , that said. You could find out what settings would be needed to setup in the garden and make it work , but that would require some work and not plug and play out of the box. Different places need different settings which all can be fine tuned. (setup time is not an issue if you count settings as a different issue). 4. Depends , free STLs no problem throwing them around , if you buy for personal use only(cheapest) - its no longer legal to even give the STLs to someone to print it for you , I recently found out , so thats why I need to buy me a printer (jumped on about 12 different kickstarters and went with the dirt cheap option not reading the details first). Buying stuff from 3Dprinter websites they usually allow it , again this depends on the maker of the model majority allow you to do it. 5. At 4k its good , at 6k almost top quality and at 8k you need a camera to see them (roughly & with right settings) However , this if for LCD printers , so if your not in a hurry DLP printers are coming down in price I recomend waiting a few more years to see who comes out on top. Hope my findings was of some use , greetings from Sweden
If you would consider doing a video on the "cutting a hole" and adding a rigged vent system, I would LOVE to hear about that. I have been considering myself, but have been locked in analysis paralysis over how to go about it.
Love to see people changing opinions and the growth of the community. I most recently printed a Cabal of demons for Reign in Hell for my nephew, a collection of adventurers for D&D, and I have models lined up for Five Parsecs from Home to print. The resin printer really kicked my miniature production into high gear, and I don't see that stopping any time soon. I e printed and painted nearly 100 miniatures, and even more terrain and other stuff so far this year. It's kind of crazy considering how little I was modeling and painting before I got into resin printing. I was pretty close to just giving up. Now I'm having a blast again
theres 2 main reasons im not getting into printing 1: even though its much cheaper now, its stilla single large lump sum to get into, the printer the resin, ventilation etc etc etc, its a fair amount you need to pay just to set up, and yes long term its probably cheaper, but the heavy entrance cost still puts me off quite badly 2: the faff, buying kits its just a matter of cut the sprue off, glue them together, 3d printing you have to go through a whole lot of faff setting up the print, the resolution, the supports, the resin, cleanup and ventilation, potential redos if things go wrong or dont print correctly, etc etc etc, its SO much more effort then just bying a kit and glueing it together (never mind that plastic is nicer to work with then resin anyway) i can still see myself getting into printing down the line, but as of right now, nah im gonna stick with kits
Ah yes I remember several friends who liked growing orchids in college.... I'd love to get into 3D printing, but my apartment is just too small. I barely have room for my gaming stuff as it is. Love buying 3D minis from printers on Etsy though.
I got a 3D printer 2 weeks ago and I love it. Takes a few goes to learn what’s important, but for me that’s part of the fun. I’d say keeping everything clean is the most important thing I have learnt. I hope you enjoy your journey with yours and look forward to seeing videos about it. Thanks for all you do for this hobby.
I think if you go back to that original video "5" years ago you'll probably find a comment from me saying that you should give it a chance. I'm glad you did 👍
I have an FDM printer for terrain, which I love (when it works). I feel that a resin printer is like a boat, or a swimming pool. Better to have a friend that has one.
I’ve had multiple FDM printers over the years. Just got a resin printer a few weeks ago. If you want to print minis at all, Do yourself a favor. Get a Resin printer! It’s SO much easier than fdm and the quality is amazing. (You do need a way to deal with the fumes and handling the resin is a pain, but well worth it IMO)
@@wovenskin the whole after process is what turns me off. I want one but I don't want to buy a cura/washing machine to get the best quality prints. And Resin itself is not very cheap in my country.
@@Mockthenerd Resin is definitely more expensive than filament. But actually the wash and cure part of the process is the easiest part of the process and takes about 10 minutes. Well, minus removing supports. Ok, handling the parts with the gloves and trying to keep resin off yourself is a bit of a pain. But to me it's no big deal. (bought the anycubic wash and cure machine for about $120)
Nice! Want to get into resin printing since a few weeks. Watched your old video about it. Man that you came up with this video now convinced me even more.
This is ridiculously coincidental, three(!) years ago I remember (among others) watching your video about 3D printing and, partly because of it, I decided to wait too. But now, I too bought the same Elegoo Saturn last year, also haven't set it up yet, because I'm building a heated, and mechanically ventilated enclosure for it. Not a grow tent though, because I wanted it enclosed, insulated and fully platemetal on the inside because I'm being overly cautious about fires. (Heating pad has a fuse, overheating protection, and the socket for it is powered through a thermostat. But I'm paranoid like that.) I'll be watching your next videos with much interest!
One fun thing I've printed are 10mm grimdark armies so I can have 40k/OPR battles on a small kitchen table. I love how it opens up a huge variety of miniatures for campaigns and open games.
The ability to change poses of models and basically kitbash yourself is just stellar and it in of itself has been so fun. Making a death company based army with standard marine jumpacks and now my actual Primaris intercessors have the weapon options of the original death company marines. Having the ability to use a weapon like a inferno pistol on every Primaris death company elite suit is so fun to play with and sure it is not the best but it’s so fun charging and shooting with an insane amount of like strength 8 weapons with high damage.
3D prints have been key to upgrading and maintaining my imperial guard armies due to GW's severe neglect to the faction. The current lasers are amazing delivering perfect prints without rings or fuzz.
@@brianp6859 Station Forge (Krieg), Anvil Digital (all of them), Ghamak (Firstborn), Titan Forge (Squats, Halo etc.), Suttungr Miniatures (Mordian), Print Minis (Cadia), Gamza (Warhawks), Battle Yak (Chem Dogs), Treadhead Rad (Raygun Raptors) All on MMF - Take your pick :)
I found this really interesting as I remember your older video where you explained why you didn't have a 3d printer and it stuck in my head and I would think about it from time to time, especially once I started 3d printing last year. It made me more aware of the cons when I was waying it up. Interesting to see how your stance has changer. Have fun with it, once I started printing I could hardly bringing myself to stop:)
Good timing. I went through a lot of the same adjustments to my thoughts on 3D printing over the past year. I finally pulled the trigger and picked up a Elegoo Saturn S and a wash/cure station. Water washable resin was the tipping point for me, as it becomes less cost effective if you have to buy IPA on top of resin. The support by veteran 3D printer enthusiasts also means you can avoid making the same mistakes. Having access to millions of STL files means you will never run out of things to print. While I do not think the rise of 3D printing will damage the current model manufacturers, it will encourage them to get more generous in their value offering.
@@pinguinposted990 hopefully setting it out in the sun before disposal. I use iso and I'm still on the first gallon even though I've printed probably 20+ L or resin. it goes a long way.
@@Born_Stellar A friend of mine bought a resin printer last year. He uses the elegoo water washable resin. He collected gallons of water. Without a lot of sun it won't evaporate - so he cooked it. Thanks. That was when I was out on planning to get me one too. Maybe he's doing it all wrong.
I got my resin 3d printer last week. I was worried about the cleaning process and the odor and i will be honest with you, cleaning the models is easy, realy easy, the odor of the resin still is a big strong for my taste but it goes off just by open the windows. Im got the elegoo mars 2 , the 2k screen and im amazed by the details it can produce. I got the clean and cure mashine to, that is good and easy to clean the models. Btw i just leave here this tip: After you clean your models with water or alcahool and remove the suport, you make sure to dry good your models befour you put it into UV light, or you get white bad cured resin on you models. This was the only problem that i got in resing 3d printing, and one model that fall becouse of suction and small supports. I had fdm printer befoure (Anet A8) and have a friend with one fdm printer to Ender 3, and i can say, going from fdm to resin is like a dream. On fdm was there allways something bad and some problems, afraid to leave it working and get fire, extrution stuk etc... on resin had 0 problems Other tip that i see no one giving is, buy light colour resins, they cure faster and so you can print faster. Im thinking about mixing my black resind with my light one becouse the light one is to light and the black to dark
I haven't watched the whole video yet, but there is definitely a large group of people that equate "I am not aware that these fumes are making me sick" with "these fumes are safe to breath" A lot of safety issues are not common sense and it's really easy to unknowingly cause yourself damage. Low odor also does not mean low fumes. "Odorless" white spirits still require proper ventilation. Being safe and realistic about whether you can properly ventilate is the right way to approach things.
I'm about 3 months into printing myself. Fumes were also a big concern. I built essentially a fume hood to contain the printer, wash / cure station, and space for trays to tackle the messy work. I sized up the fan so I could also vent my airbrush spray booth. Space is a premium in my basement, but going larger has definitely made the process more enjoyable, easier to keep clean and safer. You may want another tent to do the cleaning work and still be using the ventilation. I find this to be the source of more fumes than the actual printing. Happy to share my design if you're interested.
This happended to me a few months ago. After I see a very cool resin miniatures with really good details. I print a few models with a friend and was really happy with the results.
Good that you came to this conclusions. It is realy rewarding seeing the minis "apear"..and it is rather easy to make it work. The Elegoo comunity is one of the best..one of the guys helped me get it going..Ask questions, watch a vid or 3...and just relax. Not everything will work, but succes will come..👍
The only way I've found too deal with the fumes was an industrial Wearhouse standing fan. the problem is this increases power usage by about $80aud when running my printers for days at a time. Its still a small price to pay for not dying. Fume hoods are the best way but impractical for most home printers.
I bought my printer in November last year and honestly, I think that the communities for different patreons related with stls are the most helpful hobby groups that I've seen on the Internet. The sheer amout of high quality sculpts that print out well even if you're inexperienced (like me) is astounding! As for the fumes, in theory my printer has an inbuilt carbon filter, but recently I stopped believing in its quality. I plan on making a small enclosure connected to an actual carbon filter (I've seen some photos of such construction). And yeah, I'm curious what'll be your first pick to print on your own printer :)!
If you do not want to drill into the house there are alternatives. If you use that grow house with hose attachments you can attach an inline vent fan and have the exit hose connected to a filter box. Either professionally made with a 3 or 4in connector where you slide in replacement cartridges or you can make your own with activated carbon. Or connect a vent covering with an acrylic sheet to place in a window, that way it goes outside without permanent changes and you can remove it from the window when done without bugs getting in. Just an alternative if you don't want to install a vent through a wall.
With the water soluble resins I find that the printing process doesn't really smell, but when I UV cure the model in a home UV box the smell/fumes are really bad when I lift the top. That's when I need to take it outside or use an exhaust fan.
Proper ventilation is a great idea. My printer has a built-in filter AND fan, so I have a custom 3D printed attachment that I've added to the back where it vents, that allows me to attach a dryer hose. I then have a stronger in-line ventilation fan that sucks the air out and finally have it routed out my laundry room's dryer vent. Also, I use water-washable resin exclusively so far. Clean-up is definitely the most annoying part, but a good wash & cure station also cuts down on that. Good luck and hope you enjoy the hobby!
Just make sure to take all the precautions needed when handling resin, something tells me sooner or later we will have a bunch of people afflicted in the hobby due to improper handling of the stuff and or the way they set up their printer (like in a poorly ventilated room)
For years people have put their PLA printers like the Crealities in iKea enclosures to vent ABS fumes. I have an Elegoo Saturn as well in my garage and I don't smell any fumes at all. I've resin printed for 4 years on a Longer Orange 10 and now the Saturn. Just note, for larger prints you'll want to hollow models out and dig a vent hole and a drain hole in the model in Chitubox before you slice, as large prints could fall off the bud plate and waste resin. Get a screen protector for the 4k screen and also a magnectic flexable build plate is a game changer. Minis are fine, though will use up more resin. I don't use water washable resin so I don't know anything about that but Elegoo recently changed their formula and many have reported issues with it so I use Siraya Tech resin now.
6 months in with FDM printing with my Ender 3V2 and I love it. There is a bit of frustration still like the 16 hour print that turned into moosh 4 hours in when I got home for lunch... but for the most part it's been great for vehicles and terrain. Looking forward to a resin printer next year after I really start to push the Ender to day+ long projects
Tableflip Foundry is an excellent discord community. I found the calibration cones and when I had troubles the community was quick to jump in. I was 2.5 months in and ready to ebay my printer because of the frustration. 3 months later I have finished off one bottle of resin and working on another. It is a hobby but once you get past the first hill things generally seem better.
Looking forward to your 3-D print videos. I've been holding back for much the same reasons, plus I have so many miniatures to paint already. But the cost coming down and the conveniences you mentions are making me reconsider.
Great video, interesting & excellent self-deprecating humor! I particularly appreciated the tastefully done ending; can't wait for what the future holds for the channel!😁👍
I got an FDM printer gifted to me,.I loved making terrain with it with no intentions of getting a resin printer. But I ended up winning two resin printers from design competitions. In less than a year printing has become a big part of my life & a small business venture. I love being able to print whatever I want on either type of machine now. If I need a bust printing to do techincal work on I can print it. I want to print a board of terrain I can :)
I love this video. But mostly, the "Grow Tents," bit for "Your Orchids." Keep up the great work, and thanks for bringing me into this hobby so many years ago with your inexpensive wet palette. Much has changed and the pile of shame has grown but I, like so many am finally getting through it! Thank you!
What has amazed me about the models we are getting now is the types of terrain people are coming up. Modular and great looking. Even on FDM style printers. Exciting time in the hobby for sure. Welsome to 3D printing!
I've still not jumped over the fence to this. I have so many things to consider, fumes are one of many as I have a parrot, if anyone has one you'll know how things like fumes are dangerous to them.
For growing your orchids….. yeah….that’s the one! 😂🤣. I love the technology as it keeps moving forward. Just think in another 5 years where it will be.
The best thing about 3d printing is that you can adjust the size of the miniatures very easily. I print all my fantasy miniatures at the old GW size so it all fits together.
Completely agree with you regarding the 3d printing. I've had filament 3d printers for years and my current one, a Prusa Mini, as been pretty much printing 24/7 since I got it, very shortly after launch. Only got a resin one (Anycubic Photon Ultra) recently but delighted with it and the ability to print quality miniatures now. I'd always had concerns regarding the 'disposable' nature of the LCD screens (i.e. limited life to them, dropping quality as they age and eventually simply throwing them away and replacing them). Hopefully with this being a DLP will eliminate that aspect. My experience so far with the water washable resins (Elegoo) has been entirely negative though. I've found the cleaning aspects to be laborious, even with a washing station, and it produces copious amounts of polluted water that then needs to be disposed of safely. The resin to me is brittle, so in most cases for miniatures it isn't viable if you're regularly going to be supergluing arms and weapons back on. I've also found that it deforms a fair bit on curing. As a result, if you're printing pieces that are meant to fit together, then you'll probably end up with some rework to manage it - not just for miniatures, but for scenery also. I've since turned to the ABS Like Resin (Elegoo) which is far superior in terms of strength, deformation and cleaning. Pieces get two washes in IPA in my cleaning station and there's virtually nothing else needs to be done to them. Definitely a convert, but it won't stop me purchasing miniatures direct from games companies - lets face it, some figures are just too gorgeous to resist. But same can now be said of the 3d community, the amount of talent out there producing quality figures just can't be ignored. At the end of the day, 3d printing is elevating quality levels across the board. It's good for us all.
If your looking to vent you printer but dont hace a Built in vent in your wall. I too the printer box, cut small intake vents in the bottom. Cut a fitting on the top that attached to a duct fan and some tubing that ran out of the window
You have actually gotten messages saying your face is dumb. Who takes the time to write that???? Looking forward to seeing how your 3D printing goes. You should make a video setting it up and printing your first model, which you could host a poll to decide which it will be.
i enjoyed the video and you made lots of solid points about fumes, but i think the extra attention you've drawn to your upcoming stealth grow will probably outweigh the benefits of the "it's totally for 3d printing" cover
Cant wait to see what you get to printing. Remeber to Calibrate your machine!! I went through a year just using whatever settings and it showed in the quality of the prints and frequency of failures. Good Luck
Similarly, i’ve been hanging out on the edges for a few years now thinking it sounded cool, but it just seemed a bit too much trouble at the time. Now it is starting to seem more and more accessible to get started into the hobby. I am looking to pick up a printer later this year sometime. Looking forward to following your adventures getting started. Please do share your trial and error’s and experiences.
It’s unpacked? I don’t believe you! And maybe part of my resistance against 3D printers, among many other problems, is that I’m old enough to remember what happened to people who worked with plastics without enough ventilation.
Keen to see where this thread and experiment goes Atom - I am awaiting delivery of my FlashForge Creator 3 Pro and am starting with 3D printing terrain first being the Corvus Terrain Tycho Starport terrain STL's for my DeadZone gaming.
I tried 3d printing and couldn't get the printer to print even after all the research, settings and all. I realized 3d printing is more of a technological skill not necessarily an artistic one except for those who actually design things to 3d print. I figured, I'm a sculptor and I can make any thing I want if I wanted to. I will wait till 3d printers become alot easier to use and then get one. I don't have patience for troubleshooting machine issues.
I waited for all the same reasons and have been resin printing on an 4K Phrozen for about a year and a half and absolutely love it. I use it for both for work and for minitures. I highly recommend getting a magnet plate like the ones made by Wham-Bam as it makes removing the models so much easier.
Fumes and odor.... I've heard about this issue for a long time, but honestly, I think it really depends on your printer. I have an older Epax that sits on my desk less than 2 feet from where I do my work, and the only time I smell the resin at all is when I open the unit up. I also have a new Photon Ultra that I haven't set up yet. I'm interested to see the difference in odor control between the two designs. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Uncle Atom. Have a great day.
my mars 2 has a little rubber seal on the lid so you only smell it when you open the lid as well. I don't normally say anything about the smell/fumes as some people seem to really care about it. I probably wouldn't want to be in a closet with a running printer with no lid, but I think most people overact to the smell.
I’ll be on a similar adventure. I picked up a second hand Phrozen Sonic Mini and am looking at getting it set up and running. I wish you the best of luck.
I’ve been coming around to 3d printing myself just lately. I’d been aware of it for years but it always seemed like far more hassle than it was worth, plus I didn’t see the need to rush in before the tech was at a point that seemed worth it to me personally. With the leap to 4K resin printing it seems like it’s at a stage where I’m willing to jump in, but the stumbling block for me is just not having a suitable space for it. I don’t have a basement and don’t own a house of my own, so short of setting it up in my bedroom (which is already too full to fit a 3d printer and all the gubbins that goes along with it) I still can’t really jump in sadly. But totally agree with you that all the leaps in technology over the last few years have got it to a point where it’s now an accessible and really great option for miniatures! What I would say is that there’s this really weird evangelising by a small subset of people with 3d printers that I just find tiresome and irritating. I’ve joined several 3d printing groups to get a better look at what people are doing with them in the hobby and the results are impressive, but for some reason half of the posts are this pathetic echo chamber of people having a circle jerk about how great 3d printers are and how edgy they are that they can print minis instead of paying GW’s extortionate prices. I know it’s only a small subset of the hobbyists but it has a real Crypto-bro vibe that just puts me off from engaging with the community, which sucks because I know most folks are really keen to help people out and teach them the ropes.
I watched that video five (3No.) years ago and didn't disagree with anything you said at the time. Watching this one now, I still don't disagree with anything you are saying. Lots of stuff can change in five (3No.) years and your change in position reflects those changes. I look forward to following your adventures in the 3D printing world. A look at your set up when you are up and running would be informative too.
I've seen some other videos in other channels that are getting into 3D printing and have like the models they've printed for their game. They've printed cards and tokens holder box for their gaming, including terrain pieces.
Congratulations on your new journey Uncle Atom! I’m excited for you and look forward to hearing more about it. Your videos have helped me in my painting, perhaps I too may dip my toes into 3-D printing 🤔
I would suggest making sure that the exhaust vent is either close to the roof or coming out of the roof. the closer to the ground, the more chances of the fumes affecting plants or animals (not to mention children).
Coming from someone who has worked extensively with the Form 2 and 3 even owned one. I can honestly say it does not produce more detailed models. What people tent to forget it the spot size of these machines. Yes it does not suffer from the pixels of a LCD screen because the spot is round and a pixel is a square. But the Spot size is bigger then your average 4K mono pixel. So 4K up will give more detailed results not blurred by the roundish spot shape. The 8K Phrozen I now own is leagues better then the Form 2. In print quality. Also dont forget the Form does not allow layer thickness of less then 0.05 for most resins. Now the software on the other side is way way better on the Formlabs. No settings just select your resin and layer thickness and everything goes automatically. Also the supporting is better.
Interesting exposure of your thinking. Honestly drilling a hole in the wall is the easiest part of all this. Hire a Diamond Core cutter. Be done in minutes. I would like to see a video around room preparation /conversion.
I’m new to this all and only just purchased an FLSun Super Racer filament printer. But, I think it’s sad that anyone would say you’re dumb for being cautious, in a world where it’s, “Whoopsies! I guess we put out a product that might make you ill but, not to worry, we don’t take any responsibility for that.” Not saying that’s what resin printer manufacturers are exactly doing. Just the general market. If you don’t feel safe doing something, in your home, with your health and your family’s health at issue, no one else’s opinion much matters, as the consequences would be your own.
With your ventilation, I'm assuming you'll have the fan rotation pulling air out. Don't forget that air extraction requires air to flow in from another source. Without that air in, your extraction will be greatly reduced by negative pressure. If you have another vent that air can draw into the room (the other wall for example), you'll have much less fume and smell.
We use "Laser" printers almost exclusively where I work. For prototyping small objects. They are expensive for home use in both initial start up and supplies. They are much slower than LCD and in my opinion the detail in LCD has better detail. For Engineering use the advantage of the Laser manufacturer is the available engineering type resins. In every other way they are inferior to LCD
there was a laser printer coming out of personal uses for less than 1000 that seems like it does as well or better than any of the LCD printers. obviously its made for consumers and not engineering though.
I think my biggest issue with jumping into 3D printing is figuring out what printer to get, plastic v resin is a big thing, but also which particular model. There are so many choices available it’s almost overwhelming.
if by plastic you mean FDM, they are much different than resin. A lot harder to set up and get to work. aside from that pretty much all resin printers are the same. elegoo has really good customer service so I would recommend them, but you could also buy the cheapest one you could find and it should work great.
Get a Fillament printer man they are AMAZING just because Resin can go more detailed doesnt take away the extra costs and mess you get with it. FDM is print and go
I'm glad your up for 3d printing now the eco resin I find meet all my needs. And there are some really good discord communities that are always willing to help and even help find stls and where to buy them.
The best thing about this video is helping normalize the fact that changing your opinion when you get new/better information is OK.
It's like science or something.
When I decided to admit when I’m wrong when arguing with people instead of just digging in my life got roughly 100% better.
It always was.
Not only ok but encouraged, we should all be striving for that in all areas of life
Well said Cody Bailey
Imagine the raid team cracking in and unzipping your grow tent to find a 3d printer.
The explosion in creativity from 3d sculptors is really the best part about 3D printing. It feels good to give my hobby dollars directly to the people making the models and supporting them to make more. Looking forward to seeing what you print and paint up!
Plus, of course, the vast majority will offer the STLs pre-supported, which takes one of the biggest arseaches of the out of the equation.
Definitely this
I'm looking to start painting with my kids but don't necessarily want to spoil official minis. Want to buy something less expensive and maybe different model types.
And being a direct part of that community with the creators directly involved is fantastic. I love hearing about what's inspiring them to put out different sculpts.
I was on the fence about 3D printing for a while myself. When my 30th birthday came up, a sale dropped on the photon mono 4k, so I decided to take the leap. Within the first few prints, I realized I had gotten into something sort of incredible. I get that it's not for everyone, but if you've got the space, and you're disgruntled enough by GW's prices, then I honestly can't recommend 3D printing enough.
UA-cam is the only resource you need to get that machine up and running, and the different patreon subscriptions have communities that will jump at the opportunity to help novice printers with any problems that come up.
Good luck getting your printer set up! I'd love to see the progress here on UA-cam!
Couldn't agree more. I got the Elegoo Mars 2 and I've been able to print some amazing stuff
Besides dealing with fumes and handling the resin, I’ve found it WAY easier using the resin printer vs. the FDM style printers. Haven’t had a failed print yet after a month. It just works! And the detail!
Even at full price, that Mono 4K is the same price as the new Horus Heresy box. And I've already seen free lookalikes for everything in that box.
How are the prices comparing. Im thinking about getting a printer, mainly for terrain at first though. But Im not sure how much cheaper it really gets, does anyone have experience ?
@@rostigerrolf4490 Ignoring the price of the printer, the consumables and files are pennies on the dollar compared to GW boxes. Gamza has a load of videos of price comparisons if you're interested.
As far as terrain, printing is cheaper than buying, but crafting is cheaper still (and often free).
The grow tent enclosure + ventilation system for the printer is a good shout, I do that myself and it works amazingly.
Would running the hose through an open window work as well? Not trying to drill through my house and seeing what other options I have haha
@@TheFYI1 I rent so yeah I have a plank that fits in the window that I installed the system for venting the fumes. Just be sure to minimise the ability for fumes to come back in.
The main problem with 3D printing is that it's a whole 'nother hobby in itself. I only have time for one!
This
I love 3D printing but you are absolutely correct. If you are (understandably) not interested in investing the time in another hobby then find a buddy with a printer.
Yeah. I regret buying one during lockdown. I bought one to print minis for gloomhaven. I must have spent hundreds of hours just supporting the minis and teaching myself digital sculpting to 'fix' the stls so that they wouldnt immediately crumble. So glad there are official minis coming out.
Yep, you are not wrong. I have FDM and resin printers and spend a lot more of my hobby time on the computer making my own stl’s and just investing time in the printer tweaking, upgrades and workflow. It’s a good thing I enjoy that because my hobby painting and playing dropped off considerably. This was fine in the pandemic as the 3d printing largely replaced my gaming time, but now they are gathering dust as gaming is starting to pick up. Only so much hobby time to go around.
sure, but in that case building the plastic models before you paint them is 'a whole nother hobby' because I can say it takes me less time to print something than it does to build it out of plastic bits. but maybe thats just me.
Just pulled a custom Dwarven Blood Bowl team that I designed myself off my printer. 😁 It's amazing seeing the creativity and imagination 3D printing unlocks, and it's great how many new games I've discovered that I never would have played otherwise.
what software are you using for design? i'm ready to take the leap
Welcome aboard :) Temperature is super important. I have a space heater below my printers in the room that they're set up in. You want to keep the temperature around 70 to 74ﾟ. Make sure you have a really good drill for drilling a hole through your house. My Milwaukee drill broke as I was going through. Pay the extra money to get a good quality Panasonic vent. The one that I installed runs at a 180 CFM and is very quiet. I think you're going to be really happy with your set up. I feel that the growbox solution might be a little overkill, but if you are serious about no fumes, give it a try. I have a winx air purifier in my print room and it does a pretty good job of dealing with the odors if not the fumes. By the way, nice to hear somebody understands the difference between fumes and odors. I wish more people did. Good luck - can't wait to see what you print!
pretty sure I've heard that carbon filters only work on the odor but do nothing for the fumes. at least I think thats what elegoo says about their filters.
I have just started getting in to Warhammer and minis, I am really enjoying the building and painting side of it, me and a coworker are putting a necromunda table together ( he has been playing for years) only problem I have is the price to get into it. I have been looking at 3D printing and saving for one instead of buying models. Really enjoy your videos they have helped me out getting started and your painting tip videos have helped my painting get better, I have Painted 12 minis and since watching your videos I can see a noticeable difference between my first paintjob and my last one I have done and I am realy happy with the way I am improving. Keep up the good work and looking forward to your next video.
3D printing is pretty fantastic for wargaming on a budget, so long as you're alright with not being able to play at GW tournaments as they enforce the use of plastic kits in those to some degree.
@@Dethraivn666 I'm fine with not playing at Gw, my friend wanted someone to play necromunda with and he gave me the crowdar gang. I found out I really like painting minis playing is a bonus for me and for my friend, just want to find a good cheap way of painting good minis. Live in a small town and traveling is hard at the moment only have one shop that does minis and most if it's Gw
stuff. I know I can get stuff online it's just finding the right minis for me.
@@macroberts2009 For sure. There's a /huge/ array of STLs available and you can easily print most minis for under $0.50 USD each, it's a way better deal than you'll get out of almost any plastic kit. And for a game like Necromunda it's just absolutely perfect for all the wild and characterful, unique stuff that is out there. I've been pretty extensively using Cyberforge and Unit 9 stuff for my own Necromunda gaming. Both characters and scatter terrain bits.
Soooo good to hear positivity about 3d printing in the hobby and to see the excitement in your eyes when you talk about the miniatures available from independent sculptors such as myself. It's an inspiring time where the creator and the customer are so close to each other in the whole creative process.
i'm sorry people called you names and said stupid things, it's annoying and also sad when people acoust others for thinking differently, everyone is allowed to not want to 3d print, it shouldnt be a problem, those type of people get me upset, i love 3d printing, but even if you didnt like it, it doesnt bother me because ...why would it? you liking or dislike anything has zero effect on me, if you like the same things as me though it's a cool bonus and gives us something to talk about, thats how i see things, or try to anyways.
what i love about 3d printing is this, you can hire someone or find someone who is an artist, and they can make you a super personalized mini, toy, picture frame, anything you want, and exactly how you want it, you give them a little bit of cash, they send you a file and it's YOURS, thats so amazing to me. and thats just the beginning really, you can find so many amazingly talented peoples out there floating around on the web, and they are so excited to show us what they can do, i just love it, i hate painting, i hate gluing and i have no space to store stuff , i give them away to my friends lol, i often print stuff for my friends (obviously i trust these people and i know they are not like reselling them online or anything like that) sometimes my friends even buy files online and then i print it for them cuz they cant afford a printer and i already have one. i love the community, when i first got a FDM printer i had such a hard time with it, i was in a little face book group, a guy literally drove to my place to help me get the thing working and set up , who does that? sorry i talk a lot, been awhile since i messaged on your channel. but yeah, i'm glad you like 3d printing and i'm sorry people were rude about it, that always sucks
Can't wait for THAT special twitch stream when the dea is raiding uncle atoms house. All those strange uncommon chemicals he buys, industrial grade gas masks, professional air filtration system and a high frequency meetings and encrypted communication with a PhD chemist everyone just calls "the goober"
I've been using mine to print ragingheroes minis for myself and a friend, and printing model railway bodies I made in blender that would otherwise be unavailable to own in this quality, locomotives that no company has made a model of yet.
Its almost like magic and its a wonderful and useful future-right-now invention, well with the investment and the effort in my opinion.
Nothing is stronger than a changed mind.
Uncle Atom, I’m really looking forward to this journey your commencing.
I’ve been on the fence about buying a 3D printer for many of the reasons you mentioned now and 3 years ago.
The key things for me will be:
1. Can I buy/obtain STLs from any supplier and print them or do these machines have restricted ecosystems?
2. Can I make savings on printing overtime or is it at least as expensive as buying manufactured minis it’s just that the choice is greater?
3. Do I need to create a dedicated space because of set up times or can put it on a workbench in the garden for an afternoon and print a skirmish force?
4. Is it actually better to find the STLs I want and get someone else to print them.
5. What’s the quality really like? Am I exchanging mold-lines for strata-lines or a rough surface.
Well those are some of the things on my mind re taking the plunge.
Disclaimer , I have only ordered elegoos saturn 2 , however ive been joining about 6 different discord servers and read about a dozen forums and then looked on youtube starting 2 years before Atom did his "5" years video on it , so this is my understanding so far :
1. Yes , however some machines have restricted "build" programs (those that you put your actuall STL file into called Slicers , so the printer knows what to print & where you add support if there is none).
2. Yes , comparing to the most expensive companies you can make it far less expensive , the cheaper ones you still make some savings , so its up to you how much that will be.
3. Best would be dedicated space , temperature does affect the build and might cause a failure depending on your settings , that said. You could find out what settings would be needed to setup in the garden and make it work , but that would require some work and not plug and play out of the box. Different places need different settings which all can be fine tuned. (setup time is not an issue if you count settings as a different issue).
4. Depends , free STLs no problem throwing them around , if you buy for personal use only(cheapest) - its no longer legal to even give the STLs to someone to print it for you , I recently found out , so thats why I need to buy me a printer (jumped on about 12 different kickstarters and went with the dirt cheap option not reading the details first). Buying stuff from 3Dprinter websites they usually allow it , again this depends on the maker of the model majority allow you to do it.
5. At 4k its good , at 6k almost top quality and at 8k you need a camera to see them (roughly & with right settings)
However , this if for LCD printers , so if your not in a hurry DLP printers are coming down in price I recomend waiting a few more years to see who comes out on top.
Hope my findings was of some use , greetings from Sweden
@@matso3856 Thank you for your experience it’ll be the dedicated space that will be the killer for me.
If you would consider doing a video on the "cutting a hole" and adding a rigged vent system, I would LOVE to hear about that. I have been considering myself, but have been locked in analysis paralysis over how to go about it.
I'd love to see that as well. It's something I haven't really bothered with in my 3D printing, but honestly probably should.
Love to see people changing opinions and the growth of the community. I most recently printed a Cabal of demons for Reign in Hell for my nephew, a collection of adventurers for D&D, and I have models lined up for Five Parsecs from Home to print. The resin printer really kicked my miniature production into high gear, and I don't see that stopping any time soon. I e printed and painted nearly 100 miniatures, and even more terrain and other stuff so far this year. It's kind of crazy considering how little I was modeling and painting before I got into resin printing. I was pretty close to just giving up. Now I'm having a blast again
I chuckled at the "growing orchids" excuse.
I plan to get one next year. Enjoy 3D printing!
theres 2 main reasons im not getting into printing
1: even though its much cheaper now, its stilla single large lump sum to get into, the printer the resin, ventilation etc etc etc, its a fair amount you need to pay just to set up, and yes long term its probably cheaper, but the heavy entrance cost still puts me off quite badly
2: the faff, buying kits its just a matter of cut the sprue off, glue them together, 3d printing you have to go through a whole lot of faff setting up the print, the resolution, the supports, the resin, cleanup and ventilation, potential redos if things go wrong or dont print correctly, etc etc etc, its SO much more effort then just bying a kit and glueing it together (never mind that plastic is nicer to work with then resin anyway)
i can still see myself getting into printing down the line, but as of right now, nah im gonna stick with kits
Ah yes I remember several friends who liked growing orchids in college....
I'd love to get into 3D printing, but my apartment is just too small. I barely have room for my gaming stuff as it is. Love buying 3D minis from printers on Etsy though.
I got a 3D printer 2 weeks ago and I love it. Takes a few goes to learn what’s important, but for me that’s part of the fun. I’d say keeping everything clean is the most important thing I have learnt. I hope you enjoy your journey with yours and look forward to seeing videos about it. Thanks for all you do for this hobby.
I think if you go back to that original video "5" years ago you'll probably find a comment from me saying that you should give it a chance. I'm glad you did 👍
I have an FDM printer for terrain, which I love (when it works). I feel that a resin printer is like a boat, or a swimming pool. Better to have a friend that has one.
Just change your Ender into Prusa.
I’ve had multiple FDM printers over the years. Just got a resin printer a few weeks ago. If you want to print minis at all, Do yourself a favor. Get a Resin printer! It’s SO much easier than fdm and the quality is amazing. (You do need a way to deal with the fumes and handling the resin is a pain, but well worth it IMO)
@@wovenskin the whole after process is what turns me off. I want one but I don't want to buy a cura/washing machine to get the best quality prints. And Resin itself is not very cheap in my country.
@@Mockthenerd Resin is definitely more expensive than filament. But actually the wash and cure part of the process is the easiest part of the process and takes about 10 minutes. Well, minus removing supports. Ok, handling the parts with the gloves and trying to keep resin off yourself is a bit of a pain. But to me it's no big deal. (bought the anycubic wash and cure machine for about $120)
Nice! Want to get into resin printing since a few weeks. Watched your old video about it. Man that you came up with this video now convinced me even more.
This is ridiculously coincidental, three(!) years ago I remember (among others) watching your video about 3D printing and, partly because of it, I decided to wait too. But now, I too bought the same Elegoo Saturn last year, also haven't set it up yet, because I'm building a heated, and mechanically ventilated enclosure for it. Not a grow tent though, because I wanted it enclosed, insulated and fully platemetal on the inside because I'm being overly cautious about fires. (Heating pad has a fuse, overheating protection, and the socket for it is powered through a thermostat. But I'm paranoid like that.) I'll be watching your next videos with much interest!
One fun thing I've printed are 10mm grimdark armies so I can have 40k/OPR battles on a small kitchen table. I love how it opens up a huge variety of miniatures for campaigns and open games.
The ability to change poses of models and basically kitbash yourself is just stellar and it in of itself has been so fun. Making a death company based army with standard marine jumpacks and now my actual Primaris intercessors have the weapon options of the original death company marines. Having the ability to use a weapon like a inferno pistol on every Primaris death company elite suit is so fun to play with and sure it is not the best but it’s so fun charging and shooting with an insane amount of like strength 8 weapons with high damage.
Awesome! You will kick yourself for not getting your printer setup when you bought it. Welcome to the club! Looking forward to your experiences.
3D prints have been key to upgrading and maintaining my imperial guard armies due to GW's severe neglect to the faction.
The current lasers are amazing delivering perfect prints without rings or fuzz.
That's awesome, any favorite STL makers? I really like what red makers put out for the different regiments
@@brianp6859 Station Forge (Krieg), Anvil Digital (all of them), Ghamak (Firstborn), Titan Forge (Squats, Halo etc.), Suttungr Miniatures (Mordian), Print Minis (Cadia), Gamza (Warhawks), Battle Yak (Chem Dogs), Treadhead Rad (Raygun Raptors)
All on MMF - Take your pick :)
@@brianp6859 And Kyoushuneko has been making WW2 Dieselpunk armies - Americans, French and Russians are planned in the next 6 months
I found this really interesting as I remember your older video where you explained why you didn't have a 3d printer and it stuck in my head and I would think about it from time to time, especially once I started 3d printing last year. It made me more aware of the cons when I was waying it up. Interesting to see how your stance has changer.
Have fun with it, once I started printing I could hardly bringing myself to stop:)
welcome to the club!! it is tough to by plastic at premium when you always know what it would cost to print it yourself, lol
Good timing. I went through a lot of the same adjustments to my thoughts on 3D printing over the past year. I finally pulled the trigger and picked up a Elegoo Saturn S and a wash/cure station. Water washable resin was the tipping point for me, as it becomes less cost effective if you have to buy IPA on top of resin.
The support by veteran 3D printer enthusiasts also means you can avoid making the same mistakes. Having access to millions of STL files means you will never run out of things to print.
While I do not think the rise of 3D printing will damage the current model manufacturers, it will encourage them to get more generous in their value offering.
You use water washable resin? What are you doing with the water?
@@pinguinposted990 Chugging it. I'm a Rebel! Whoooooo!!! *drops to floor*
@@pinguinposted990 hopefully setting it out in the sun before disposal. I use iso and I'm still on the first gallon even though I've printed probably 20+ L or resin. it goes a long way.
@@Born_Stellar A friend of mine bought a resin printer last year. He uses the elegoo water washable resin. He collected gallons of water. Without a lot of sun it won't evaporate - so he cooked it. Thanks. That was when I was out on planning to get me one too. Maybe he's doing it all wrong.
I got my resin 3d printer last week. I was worried about the cleaning process and the odor and i will be honest with you, cleaning the models is easy, realy easy, the odor of the resin still is a big strong for my taste but it goes off just by open the windows.
Im got the elegoo mars 2 , the 2k screen and im amazed by the details it can produce.
I got the clean and cure mashine to, that is good and easy to clean the models.
Btw i just leave here this tip: After you clean your models with water or alcahool and remove the suport, you make sure to dry good your models befour you put it into UV light, or you get white bad cured resin on you models. This was the only problem that i got in resing 3d printing, and one model that fall becouse of suction and small supports.
I had fdm printer befoure (Anet A8) and have a friend with one fdm printer to Ender 3, and i can say, going from fdm to resin is like a dream. On fdm was there allways something bad and some problems, afraid to leave it working and get fire, extrution stuk etc... on resin had 0 problems
Other tip that i see no one giving is, buy light colour resins, they cure faster and so you can print faster. Im thinking about mixing my black resind with my light one becouse the light one is to light and the black to dark
I haven't watched the whole video yet, but there is definitely a large group of people that equate "I am not aware that these fumes are making me sick" with "these fumes are safe to breath"
A lot of safety issues are not common sense and it's really easy to unknowingly cause yourself damage.
Low odor also does not mean low fumes. "Odorless" white spirits still require proper ventilation. Being safe and realistic about whether you can properly ventilate is the right way to approach things.
I'm about 3 months into printing myself. Fumes were also a big concern. I built essentially a fume hood to contain the printer, wash / cure station, and space for trays to tackle the messy work. I sized up the fan so I could also vent my airbrush spray booth. Space is a premium in my basement, but going larger has definitely made the process more enjoyable, easier to keep clean and safer. You may want another tent to do the cleaning work and still be using the ventilation. I find this to be the source of more fumes than the actual printing. Happy to share my design if you're interested.
This happended to me a few months ago. After I see a very cool resin miniatures with really good details. I print a few models with a friend and was really happy with the results.
10:57 I see you got the The Elegoo Marx
_Seize the means of production_
Good that you came to this conclusions. It is realy rewarding seeing the minis "apear"..and it is rather easy to make it work. The Elegoo comunity is one of the best..one of the guys helped me get it going..Ask questions, watch a vid or 3...and just relax. Not everything will work, but succes will come..👍
I’ve been considering a similar setup. I’d be happy to see yours when you get it set up!
The only way I've found too deal with the fumes was an industrial Wearhouse standing fan. the problem is this increases power usage by about $80aud when running my printers for days at a time. Its still a small price to pay for not dying. Fume hoods are the best way but impractical for most home printers.
Nice video. The fumes thing is something too many people overlook. Looking forward to what models you print and paint.
I bought my printer in November last year and honestly, I think that the communities for different patreons related with stls are the most helpful hobby groups that I've seen on the Internet. The sheer amout of high quality sculpts that print out well even if you're inexperienced (like me) is astounding! As for the fumes, in theory my printer has an inbuilt carbon filter, but recently I stopped believing in its quality. I plan on making a small enclosure connected to an actual carbon filter (I've seen some photos of such construction).
And yeah, I'm curious what'll be your first pick to print on your own printer :)!
It's still on hold for me till the resin isn't toxic, I can wait but it does look fun.
Hope you do a video when you finish the ventilation project. I for one would really like to see your setup after your done.
Awesome update dude - congrats on getting into 3D printing it's a magical and very liberating hobby!
If you do not want to drill into the house there are alternatives. If you use that grow house with hose attachments you can attach an inline vent fan and have the exit hose connected to a filter box. Either professionally made with a 3 or 4in connector where you slide in replacement cartridges or you can make your own with activated carbon. Or connect a vent covering with an acrylic sheet to place in a window, that way it goes outside without permanent changes and you can remove it from the window when done without bugs getting in.
Just an alternative if you don't want to install a vent through a wall.
I wish that room had a window, that’d be ideal. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions Look forward to seeing what you create with this new tool.
With the water soluble resins I find that the printing process doesn't really smell, but when I UV cure the model in a home UV box the smell/fumes are really bad when I lift the top. That's when I need to take it outside or use an exhaust fan.
Proper ventilation is a great idea. My printer has a built-in filter AND fan, so I have a custom 3D printed attachment that I've added to the back where it vents, that allows me to attach a dryer hose. I then have a stronger in-line ventilation fan that sucks the air out and finally have it routed out my laundry room's dryer vent. Also, I use water-washable resin exclusively so far. Clean-up is definitely the most annoying part, but a good wash & cure station also cuts down on that. Good luck and hope you enjoy the hobby!
That grow tent idea is really cool to vent the smell.
Just make sure to take all the precautions needed when handling resin, something tells me sooner or later we will have a bunch of people afflicted in the hobby due to improper handling of the stuff and or the way they set up their printer (like in a poorly ventilated room)
For years people have put their PLA printers like the Crealities in iKea enclosures to vent ABS fumes. I have an Elegoo Saturn as well in my garage and I don't smell any fumes at all. I've resin printed for 4 years on a Longer Orange 10 and now the Saturn. Just note, for larger prints you'll want to hollow models out and dig a vent hole and a drain hole in the model in Chitubox before you slice, as large prints could fall off the bud plate and waste resin. Get a screen protector for the 4k screen and also a magnectic flexable build plate is a game changer. Minis are fine, though will use up more resin. I don't use water washable resin so I don't know anything about that but Elegoo recently changed their formula and many have reported issues with it so I use Siraya Tech resin now.
6 months in with FDM printing with my Ender 3V2 and I love it. There is a bit of frustration still like the 16 hour print that turned into moosh 4 hours in when I got home for lunch... but for the most part it's been great for vehicles and terrain. Looking forward to a resin printer next year after I really start to push the Ender to day+ long projects
Good luck! Looking forward to more updates
Tableflip Foundry is an excellent discord community. I found the calibration cones and when I had troubles the community was quick to jump in. I was 2.5 months in and ready to ebay my printer because of the frustration. 3 months later I have finished off one bottle of resin and working on another. It is a hobby but once you get past the first hill things generally seem better.
Looking forward to your 3-D print videos. I've been holding back for much the same reasons, plus I have
so
many
miniatures
to paint already. But the cost coming down and the conveniences you mentions are making me reconsider.
Great video, interesting & excellent self-deprecating humor! I particularly appreciated the tastefully done ending; can't wait for what the future holds for the channel!😁👍
I got an FDM printer gifted to me,.I loved making terrain with it with no intentions of getting a resin printer. But I ended up winning two resin printers from design competitions. In less than a year printing has become a big part of my life & a small business venture. I love being able to print whatever I want on either type of machine now. If I need a bust printing to do techincal work on I can print it. I want to print a board of terrain I can :)
I love this video.
But mostly, the "Grow Tents," bit for "Your Orchids."
Keep up the great work, and thanks for bringing me into this hobby so many years ago with your inexpensive wet palette. Much has changed and the pile of shame has grown but I, like so many am finally getting through it! Thank you!
What has amazed me about the models we are getting now is the types of terrain people are coming up. Modular and great looking. Even on FDM style printers. Exciting time in the hobby for sure. Welsome to 3D printing!
It makes me SO happy to see this. I feel like 3D printing has finally turned a corner. You are going to have fun!
I've still not jumped over the fence to this. I have so many things to consider, fumes are one of many as I have a parrot, if anyone has one you'll know how things like fumes are dangerous to them.
For growing your orchids….. yeah….that’s the one! 😂🤣.
I love the technology as it keeps moving forward. Just think in another 5 years where it will be.
The best thing about 3d printing is that you can adjust the size of the miniatures very easily.
I print all my fantasy miniatures at the old GW size so it all fits together.
Completely agree with you regarding the 3d printing. I've had filament 3d printers for years and my current one, a Prusa Mini, as been pretty much printing 24/7 since I got it, very shortly after launch. Only got a resin one (Anycubic Photon Ultra) recently but delighted with it and the ability to print quality miniatures now. I'd always had concerns regarding the 'disposable' nature of the LCD screens (i.e. limited life to them, dropping quality as they age and eventually simply throwing them away and replacing them). Hopefully with this being a DLP will eliminate that aspect.
My experience so far with the water washable resins (Elegoo) has been entirely negative though. I've found the cleaning aspects to be laborious, even with a washing station, and it produces copious amounts of polluted water that then needs to be disposed of safely. The resin to me is brittle, so in most cases for miniatures it isn't viable if you're regularly going to be supergluing arms and weapons back on. I've also found that it deforms a fair bit on curing. As a result, if you're printing pieces that are meant to fit together, then you'll probably end up with some rework to manage it - not just for miniatures, but for scenery also. I've since turned to the ABS Like Resin (Elegoo) which is far superior in terms of strength, deformation and cleaning. Pieces get two washes in IPA in my cleaning station and there's virtually nothing else needs to be done to them.
Definitely a convert, but it won't stop me purchasing miniatures direct from games companies - lets face it, some figures are just too gorgeous to resist. But same can now be said of the 3d community, the amount of talent out there producing quality figures just can't be ignored. At the end of the day, 3d printing is elevating quality levels across the board. It's good for us all.
If your looking to vent you printer but dont hace a Built in vent in your wall. I too the printer box, cut small intake vents in the bottom. Cut a fitting on the top that attached to a duct fan and some tubing that ran out of the window
Keystone sandsticks, not sure how I made it through the decades of minis without them
You have actually gotten messages saying your face is dumb. Who takes the time to write that????
Looking forward to seeing how your 3D printing goes. You should make a video setting it up and printing your first model, which you could host a poll to decide which it will be.
Can we get a live stream of the hole drilling? I'd love to watch this happen😆
the Orchid line made me laugh
i enjoyed the video and you made lots of solid points about fumes, but i think the extra attention you've drawn to your upcoming stealth grow will probably outweigh the benefits of the "it's totally for 3d printing" cover
Cant wait to see what you get to printing. Remeber to Calibrate your machine!! I went through a year just using whatever settings and it showed in the quality of the prints and frequency of failures. Good Luck
Similarly, i’ve been hanging out on the edges for a few years now thinking it sounded cool, but it just seemed a bit too much trouble at the time. Now it is starting to seem more and more accessible to get started into the hobby. I am looking to pick up a printer later this year sometime. Looking forward to following your adventures getting started. Please do share your trial and error’s and experiences.
It’s unpacked? I don’t believe you!
And maybe part of my resistance against 3D printers, among many other problems, is that I’m old enough to remember what happened to people who worked with plastics without enough ventilation.
Keen to see where this thread and experiment goes Atom - I am awaiting delivery of my FlashForge Creator 3 Pro and am starting with 3D printing terrain first being the Corvus Terrain Tycho Starport terrain STL's for my DeadZone gaming.
I tried 3d printing and couldn't get the printer to print even after all the research, settings and all. I realized 3d printing is more of a technological skill not necessarily an artistic one except for those who actually design things to 3d print. I figured, I'm a sculptor and I can make any thing I want if I wanted to. I will wait till 3d printers become alot easier to use and then get one. I don't have patience for troubleshooting machine issues.
I waited for all the same reasons and have been resin printing on an 4K Phrozen for about a year and a half and absolutely love it. I use it for both for work and for minitures.
I highly recommend getting a magnet plate like the ones made by Wham-Bam as it makes removing the models so much easier.
100% looking forward to seeing how this goes for you. I’m right at the doorstep and almost ready to step into that world.
Fumes and odor.... I've heard about this issue for a long time, but honestly, I think it really depends on your printer. I have an older Epax that sits on my desk less than 2 feet from where I do my work, and the only time I smell the resin at all is when I open the unit up. I also have a new Photon Ultra that I haven't set up yet. I'm interested to see the difference in odor control between the two designs. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Uncle Atom. Have a great day.
my mars 2 has a little rubber seal on the lid so you only smell it when you open the lid as well. I don't normally say anything about the smell/fumes as some people seem to really care about it. I probably wouldn't want to be in a closet with a running printer with no lid, but I think most people overact to the smell.
I’ll be on a similar adventure. I picked up a second hand Phrozen Sonic Mini and am looking at getting it set up and running.
I wish you the best of luck.
I’ve been coming around to 3d printing myself just lately. I’d been aware of it for years but it always seemed like far more hassle than it was worth, plus I didn’t see the need to rush in before the tech was at a point that seemed worth it to me personally.
With the leap to 4K resin printing it seems like it’s at a stage where I’m willing to jump in, but the stumbling block for me is just not having a suitable space for it. I don’t have a basement and don’t own a house of my own, so short of setting it up in my bedroom (which is already too full to fit a 3d printer and all the gubbins that goes along with it) I still can’t really jump in sadly. But totally agree with you that all the leaps in technology over the last few years have got it to a point where it’s now an accessible and really great option for miniatures!
What I would say is that there’s this really weird evangelising by a small subset of people with 3d printers that I just find tiresome and irritating. I’ve joined several 3d printing groups to get a better look at what people are doing with them in the hobby and the results are impressive, but for some reason half of the posts are this pathetic echo chamber of people having a circle jerk about how great 3d printers are and how edgy they are that they can print minis instead of paying GW’s extortionate prices. I know it’s only a small subset of the hobbyists but it has a real Crypto-bro vibe that just puts me off from engaging with the community, which sucks because I know most folks are really keen to help people out and teach them the ropes.
Grow tent venting is 100% the way to go and I wouldnn't really recommend any other way to deal with the fumes. Good choice
I just got into 3d printing. Get a grow room in-line duct fan. About $75. it works great! NO fumes!!
I watched that video five (3No.) years ago and didn't disagree with anything you said at the time. Watching this one now, I still don't disagree with anything you are saying. Lots of stuff can change in five (3No.) years and your change in position reflects those changes. I look forward to following your adventures in the 3D printing world.
A look at your set up when you are up and running would be informative too.
I've seen some other videos in other channels that are getting into 3D printing and have like the models they've printed for their game. They've printed cards and tokens holder box for their gaming, including terrain pieces.
What's the big green monster at 3:25? It looks amazing.
What's getting me into 3d resin printing is the spaceships. So. Many. Spaceships.
Yup, this.
And I already have 100+ minis in backlog for painting, I don't need more :)
Congratulations on your new journey Uncle Atom! I’m excited for you and look forward to hearing more about it. Your videos have helped me in my painting, perhaps I too may dip my toes into 3-D printing 🤔
I would suggest making sure that the exhaust vent is either close to the roof or coming out of the roof. the closer to the ground, the more chances of the fumes affecting plants or animals (not to mention children).
Coming from someone who has worked extensively with the Form 2 and 3 even owned one. I can honestly say it does not produce more detailed models. What people tent to forget it the spot size of these machines. Yes it does not suffer from the pixels of a LCD screen because the spot is round and a pixel is a square. But the Spot size is bigger then your average 4K mono pixel. So 4K up will give more detailed results not blurred by the roundish spot shape. The 8K Phrozen I now own is leagues better then the Form 2. In print quality. Also dont forget the Form does not allow layer thickness of less then 0.05 for most resins.
Now the software on the other side is way way better on the Formlabs. No settings just select your resin and layer thickness and everything goes automatically. Also the supporting is better.
Interesting exposure of your thinking. Honestly drilling a hole in the wall is the easiest part of all this. Hire a Diamond Core cutter. Be done in minutes. I would like to see a video around room preparation /conversion.
I’m new to this all and only just purchased an FLSun Super Racer filament printer. But, I think it’s sad that anyone would say you’re dumb for being cautious, in a world where it’s, “Whoopsies! I guess we put out a product that might make you ill but, not to worry, we don’t take any responsibility for that.” Not saying that’s what resin printer manufacturers are exactly doing. Just the general market. If you don’t feel safe doing something, in your home, with your health and your family’s health at issue, no one else’s opinion much matters, as the consequences would be your own.
With your ventilation, I'm assuming you'll have the fan rotation pulling air out. Don't forget that air extraction requires air to flow in from another source. Without that air in, your extraction will be greatly reduced by negative pressure.
If you have another vent that air can draw into the room (the other wall for example), you'll have much less fume and smell.
We use "Laser" printers almost exclusively where I work. For prototyping small objects. They are expensive for home use in both initial start up and supplies. They are much slower than LCD and in my opinion the detail in LCD has better detail. For Engineering use the advantage of the Laser manufacturer is the available engineering type resins. In every other way they are inferior to LCD
there was a laser printer coming out of personal uses for less than 1000 that seems like it does as well or better than any of the LCD printers. obviously its made for consumers and not engineering though.
Yes. Since I moved my resin printer into a grow tent with carbon filters it has made living with it in the house much better.
Keep us updated plz...don't wait for 5 (3) years :3
I think my biggest issue with jumping into 3D printing is figuring out what printer to get, plastic v resin is a big thing, but also which particular model. There are so many choices available it’s almost overwhelming.
if by plastic you mean FDM, they are much different than resin. A lot harder to set up and get to work. aside from that pretty much all resin printers are the same. elegoo has really good customer service so I would recommend them, but you could also buy the cheapest one you could find and it should work great.
Get a Fillament printer man they are AMAZING just because Resin can go more detailed doesnt take away the extra costs and mess you get with it. FDM is print and go
"You know sometimes you microwave some fish, or cats, sometimes that happens." lol
I don’t microwave cats. That’s not what I meant. I probably should have been more clear. Thanks for watching!
I'm glad your up for 3d printing now the eco resin I find meet all my needs. And there are some really good discord communities that are always willing to help and even help find stls and where to buy them.
Welcome to the 3D printing club!