Reminds me also of a mare I had years ago. I bought her out of an abusive situation. She had been hit in the head numerous times with a sledge hammer when she would get stubborn. The first time the prior owner tried to saddle her she laid down, so the idiot stood on her head and ground it into the dirt. I bought her to get her out of there and also she seemed to trust me right away. She was of course head shy. And would lunge and bite at anyone but me who would try to go near her head. And she was a kicker. She could swing around and kick faster than you could blink. She had wonderful Quarter horse bloodlines, but my Vet and trainer were sure she had some brain damage from the hammers. I spent thousands of dollars on a trainer I had known since childhood. And it took her three times longer to learn anything than it would have any other horse. I didn't care how much I spent or how much time I spent with her. She deserved a chance. And after over three years that little Chestnut Quarter horse turned into a wonderful horse. I am so glad I didn't give up on her.
...agree, and not only pitbulls, - all the dogs - some breeds need special approach, and people treat them like idiots, so the poor dogs then end very bad
no.......Pitbulls and horses are NOT the same. Horses are born as prey, molded by nature to flee from danger. Only fighting for dominance or against a predator. Pitbulls were selectively bred by humans to FIGHT and to enjoy it. There have been plenty of good owners who still ended up with their pitbulls attacking them with no warning. Pitbulls are never meant to be truly pets, they were bred to be fighting machines, first and foremost. Yes they are still dogs, and will act like dogs, and even be genuinely friendly, but there's always going to be that moment that instinct kicks in, and they will snap.
She has 18 stallions running together??? She's bat shit crazy! Anyone notice her shaking her head "no" while he was telling her how crazy and dangerous it was? I seriously doubt he can teach her anything.
+denkidog There are a lot of people who have horses who shouldn´t, maybe even you, there is no legislation that determines who and who may not own a horse. The point is the woman saught help and the help did not pan out.
That was a no go, agreed geld it first, no point even trying that was on the cards, turn it away for a year with a heard, then bring it back and try, then if still a no go and dangerous, put it down, they already put it down so never mind, depends if it was worth the risk understandable.
I love how when he offers a viable solution, putting the colt gelded and in a herd with other older horses including mares and geldings. She immediately gets defensive and says: "Well.. He's been with stallions." That could be a stall where the horse has limited interaction, it could be a pasture with limited interaction over fences, it could even be the herd with him the highest. She doesn't want a solution except the three day miracle session with Buck and to take her happy horse home and be able to spoil him even worse. This horse desperately needed to be in a pasture with mares and very high geldings and be kicked down several times by them. He needed to be gelded, he needed to have someone who if he came charging towards them he'd get a smack in the chest/neck or the butt (maybe the face if it's absolutely necessary, even then I'm not a fan of it due to how painful it is, but with a horse charging at you head on, you don't really have a choice sometimes sadly.) with a rope, rock, chain, water from a hose, whatever until the horse learns respect. I wouldn't chase it after he backed off, but I wouldn't let the horse come into my space until he shows me respect, and no horse would allow him to come into a herd the way he is acting. He still most likely has the instincts to want to be in a herd, and he would learn that if he didn't show higher horses respect he'd get his butt beaten over and over again until he learned that he could stay in the herd if he gets out of the way of the higher horses, he didn't charge them, and he showed submission and respect to the higher horse. He shows nothing here except dominance and disrespect, even over humans which spells disaster. Not that I blame him for what happened with the head clubbing. The handler handled it wrong treating it like another three day rush clinic. He wasn't ready and actually was acting like a horse and showing all the signs of a horse that he was getting close to the fight mode when the guy didn't give him any release and he couldn't run. Notice as soon as the guy let go and backed away he trotted away and didn't try any more damage even though the guy was still in the pen.
I watched the film Buck yesterday: Nice to see someone is observent. You also observed there seem to be no problem in saddleing and riding the horse! The problem did not start until Brannaman started messing with the hind legs with his rope tricks (for a reason never explained!) an action typical of a preditor taking down it´s pray. What happen between then and when Brannaman´s side-kick got himself scalped we do not know, nor why there was a need for the sacking out? It was my understanding Buck Brannaman wanted to do a Monty Roberts Problem Horse Show and it didn´t work out as planned and that his anger was not so much at the woman as at himself because it made him look bad. The very fact that the horse could be "SADDLE & RIDDEN"! tell´s me there was no serious problem with the horse! (remember he was only 3-years old!!) I felt for the woman, she know´s she in over her head, comes to a famous trainer for help, get´s chewed up and hung out in public then has go home and shoot her horse that she bottle fed to save. Who Failed Who?
She wanted her 15 minutes. 18 Stallions? Give me an irresponsible breeding break!!!! She got her EGO Busted. And the guy is lucky he didn't get more than a head injury. Do what you can DO. Not some lalaland fantasy. There is only one reason to keep a stallion entire, and that is he is exceptional in alll qualities. Everything else is irresponsible. Buck was honest. I don't even have geldings because I feel guilty about cutting them. So I stick with Mares, because I have nothing to prove by owning a stallion. I love Bucks honesty.
Melanie Willard Have had stallion myself, neighbor kids would take him out, never a problem. It´s not a case of Stallion v Mare v Gelding, it is simply there are a lot of people out there who should not be messing with horses.....but then if they did stick too what they are good at then all these horse gurus would be out of a job.
The reason the guy didn't give release is because the horse didn't. I realise the horse gave warnings, but you don't stop what you're doing because the horse warns. The horse doesn't dictate terms. The handler missed opportunities to reprimand the warnings, say "hey no. We're working. Pull your horns in and work." - though because the horse hadn't been set boundaries and was hand raised (bottle fed) trying to implement those boundaries would've resulted in an attack as well. The fact it could be saddled and ridden means nothing if the foundations are shaky. A horse should never react aggressively when being handled - he wasn't cornered. He had places to move. He really did need to lose his nuts and be put in a herd of hen pecking mares who have the ability to enforce boundaries, but it still may not have been enough and she wasn't willing to try it. She ruined the horse by babying it and not creating healthy boundaries. The horse has zero guidance as to how he should behave; all he knew to do was attack. People seem to be ignoring the stud lunging and snaking at the man walking past his stall. The man did nothing but walk. Yeah he can be saddled and ridden but he was amped up to attack anybody he could, he didn't need an excuse. He used one with the sacking out. I have had battles with horses. It always looks bad before it gets better. You start to enforce boundaries that weren't there before and they're going to fight it. Persistence and consistency is key. But when their aggression is that bad, they're living a life of constant stress. The constant will to attack. It's harmful to themselves and it can be kinder to put down. It's impossible to say whether another way would've worked, because no one has that answer. Putting down was one of the options, which is not a bad one. There are a lot of good horses, and stallions out there. The world isn't at great loss without an aggressive one.
I had a mare who would randomly be aggressive. She chased another trainer out of the round pen teeth bared and tried to climb the panels after her. I spent 90 days on her to get her to the point where she was rideable---with a warning. She would be sweet on occasion and respected me more than any other person. She had only reached a point that most horses I start get to in two weeks. I spent nearly two months round penning and on the ground. I sent her home after we had a nice walk trot session for the first time in an english saddle (she's a Holsteiner) and she decided to get sticky in a corner. I hadn't even touched her when she exploded. She launched from the corner to the center of the arena and I had no chance of staying on. She was unpredictable and I recommended that no one less of a trainer than myself even handle her because some days she would just bite you or try to chase you or kick you. Turns out her mother had the same disposition and they turned her into a broodmare because she almost killed someone. So question is, these horses that are dangerous to any owner and trainer what do you do with? I don't believe in breeding horses that aren't damn near perfect and unless she has a 6'4" man in a western saddle on her she was nearly unrideable after 3 months of training. Like this stud: you cannot give this horse away (for legality reasons, if anyone was killed by this horse you can be held liable depending which state your in, even ones with equine liability act may still allow you to be held responsible for negligence, that their death was caused by you not informing them to the danger), you cannot handle it, you cannot breed it. I know theres a lot of horse lovers out there that believe horses can be rehabbed. Could this stud have been a different horse? Absolutely, but was it safe for anyone at this point to battle him? Absolutely not, I've got big balls as far as cowboying up but I wouldnt step into a pen with him. There's far too many horses in this world who are sold at auction that would be 100x safer than him. You can get a safer horse. With his learning disability(from oxygen deprivation), the fact he's a 3 year old unhanded stud who had been orphaned (which from personal experience, they do not have the same boundaries and respect for people as horses raised by their mother) and he's a good size horse...I would give him the pink juice too, and like Buck, I would let the owner know that this is on her--he would not have been that horse if he had been gelded and worked with. I understand she had been hurt--she needed to sell him or hire someone to work with him. Having watched the whole documentary: she had 18 studs. She was an irresponsible owner. There is zero excuse for that. Its her fault he was that horse. The mare I worked with I have no idea what they're doing with her. I was just glad to see her go. Unless you are an actual horse trainer you have no right to have an opinion on this. You're not the one who steps into a round pen with a 1200lb animal who wants to kill you. It would be the same as toss someone into a tiger pen: they might make it out alive but if they make one wrong move they're dead.
What in the hell was that lady doing with 18? stallions?! Some of the largest breeding operations don't have that many. She's an ignorant fool and her ego was what ruined that poor horse. Horses aren't born like that and I know as I was a foaling manager at a large race horse farm for 10 yrs. Animal rights people ought to limit her owning so many stallions. She obviously knows little about them. This makes me furious and you can see Buck wasn't too fond of her either.
Small space with an aggressive horse who is also nervous, is asking for trouble. The horse has nowhere to go and you don't either. Especially with how territorial stallions are, you need a larger space to get them away from you if needed and to teach them to respect your space. Plus I also notice that Buck is barely even paying attention to the horse, when your training you have to be completely focused, horses know when your only half paying attention. Klaus Hempfling is a great example of how to deal with stallions creating respect without fear.
People need to actually see the whole documentary of this before commenting on how stupid they think this man (Buck Brannaman) is. You can't cast judgement just from watching this one short clip. The documentary is called Buck, and is about this man who has handled horses from a very young age, with trying to rehabilitate this stallion in focus at the end. If you would just watch the documentary, you would know this horse was oxygen deprived when he was born because his mother died during birth, meaning his brain was harmed. He should've been handled like you would handle a disabled child, but he wasn't. Instead he was left pretty much to his own defences because his owner broke her back in two places when he was still a foal (he's three years here). He didn't learn how to interact with other horses or people. You can see in the documentary how he seriously tries to attack people just because they're walking by his pen. His owner says he even attacks cars. This horse should've received special treatment from the get-go because of his disability and the fact that he was orphaned. But he didn't, and so he became this; a dysfunctional horse that doesn't know how to behave in any situation, and that has, as Buck puts it, gotten him as close to a predator as a horse can get. You just need to watch at how this stallion attacks to understand what Buck means - he doesn't just go in for one bite or kick and then runs off like any other horse would do when feeling threatened, he dives into the attack trying to do as much damage as possible, maybe even kill. Because of where he comes from, he is dangerous, and it's not his fault. It's because of the combination of brain damage and not getting the special treatment he needed. Just as a last statement, Buck never once beats this horse. He uses those sticks with flags to keep the horse from attacking him by simply waving them rapidly in front of his head, discouraging him. For goodness sake, go watch the documentary.
MyFreakingCookie how about he was placing too much pressure too quickly and the horse turned to an aggressive defense. The guy deserved it. He was being a predator/challenger that this horse saw as a threat.
@@meaghannescheering2522 a horse needs to be given pressure to learn. It's the most basic fundamental of horsemanship: provide pressure, horse yields. The basis of anything you want to do with a horse whether its liberty or the Olympics. I walk towards a horse, I apply pressure with my body language, it walks backwards. I walk towards the hind quarters, it yields sideways. I put leg on, it yields forward. So on and so forth. The man provided pressure with the sack. The horse responded by getting aggressive instead of yielding. The man did miss cues to correct, but that probably only would've hastened the attack. So continue with same pressure until it yields correctly. The horse, however, only knew how to respond aggressively instead of submissively. The pressure is not an issue. If you did that to a "normal" horse who understood body language and the dynamics of a relationship, it would've yielding. Maybe been frightened at first until it realised the sack wasn't harming. The only horses that attack aggressively when given pressure like that are the ones who have been humanized.
You are correct, thchillz - he was not breathing for quite some time after he was born. The owner revived him, and raised him in her house. In addition to being brain damaged from lack of oxygen, he never learned how to be a horse. He tried to mount female humans (no interest in mares), and tried to attack male humans, rather than other stallions. Unfortunately, due to brain damage, there was no going back. Even gelded, he would have always been dangerous.
To me this doesn't sounds like a primarily brain damaged horse. It sounds like a humanised one. It happens in many species (horses, birds, sheep etc), and unfortunately they can imprint on humans being just another one of their extended herd and have no natural caution or respect there. If they never get the right amount of disapline, and are not given adequate levels of socialisation with their own species while young, many never completely recover regardless of training and remain dangerous. Particularly entire males can become quite aggressive towards humans, and even if you put them in with others of their species they don't know how to behave appropriately. There have even been attacks on people by what are suspected to be hand reared wildlife (due to the bizarre behaviour and knowledge that hand reared animals have been released in these areas where problems have occured). These animals will normally run from people and are not aggressive unless pushed into it. I understand why she may have had to hand raise it to save it, but it needed to go back out to spend time in a pasture with other horses (or better yet put on a nurse mare if she could find one to take it) and as soon as possible and gelded before it hit a year of age.
From a site about the movie talking about this horse: As for the troubled horse, Buck could have possibly made some significant changes in the horse if he quit his day job and took it home and worked with it quite a bit. However, he has a lot of people counting on him to show up at clinics to work with horses that are also troubled, but have great potential. Julie decided to put the horse down because she realized that she did not have the skill, time or money to try to rehabilitate such a lost animal. There is a lot more to the story that we couldn’t put into the film unless we decided to make it the entire story. In the end, I applaud her bravery to make such a tough decision. We had to station people around the round pen for the entire afternoon before that horse was loaded. Every time ANYONE walked past the pen, the horse ran at full speed and lunged over the top of the pen at the person. Should we have walked away for even 5 minutes, an innocent child could have walked up to pet the pretty horse and had her hand removed. Humans have to be responsible to other humans. Knowing that you have such a dangerous animal, you could not ever rest knowing that if he got out, or you weren’t around, that he would do bodily harm to another person who was totally innocent. I don’t think there are more than 5 people on the planet that could truly handle that horse, and even then, the brain damage factor is a wild card. I was not even going to use that footage, but we realized the huge life lesson that it brought to the film and also saw the significance of the parallel to Buck and that horse. He could have ended up that damaged if he hadn’t had good parenting in the long run.
+MegF If the horse was so far gone then how was it that it could be transported, saddled and ridden with no problem until Brannaman started messing around with his rope at which time the situation escalated from doing good to man eater? No excuse for stupitidy!
Drew Inskeep Who was the other trainer in the round pen waving the blanket at the stallion who got charged and bitten? That didn't seem a very wise thing to be doing.
+Drew Inskeep Each to his/her opinion, I can only judge by what I see and what I saw in the movie I was not impressed and came to the simple conclusion I would not want that man messing with my horses.
Malala Playz Sometimes people won't listen no matter what you try? Has she ever tried riding or working with her horse without a bit? If not, try to do that with her, and remember to be patient. She probably thinks that way because it's what she was told when she started riding and she has never had to think for herself if it's good or not.
When the horse attacked the guy, the horse was just putting a stop to the pressure. Notice once the pressure stopped the horse backed off, he could have killed that guy. I read elsewhere that the horse was put down.
everyone says poor horse but does no one realize that the whole time the man is working to teach the horse to move back, that there is no fear or worry at all!!! just straight dominance and aggression!!! weather it is the fault of the women who owns him or previous life experiences, you come to a point where there is no coming back from... it's sad but true and if no one is capable of handling the horse the safest and most humane thing is to but him down. if not the poor thing will be stuck living in a stall because everything is afraid to touch him.
Some of these comments are ridiculous. The owner could not handle this horse and sought help. One reply - 6 years to walk around a mule? There are far too many wanna be horse whisperers. Without really knowing anything. No one likes to see this. The normal person does not wait 6 years to walk in safety around a mule. No malice. Just be normal and stop playing My Little Pony.
hahahahahahaahaa I still don't understand why people have animals they can't control, take care of and really love, and I'm not talking about giving them "hugs and kisses", which is great and all but they are animals people omggg!!!!!!!! crazy ass lady
the guy proceeded too quickly, I think, I saw many horse whiperers trying to saddle a horse for the first time, and they proceeded much more slowly, no quick movements...
Nijinsky was bonkers but he also passed it down to offspring - one stallion I would have NEVER used. This horse is extremely violent and this was done by humans however Nijinsky was just damn evil.
This horse is not scared. It's dominant! It's being annoyed by the trainer, and finally it attacks him. And the trainer does nothing wrong, you shouldn't sneak and be too cautious around a horse, because that will make the horse uneasy and fearful instead of calm. The same goes for dogs. They feel your energy and look at your bodylanguage. That's my opinion, I see things differently in this video than most of you. And animals can have something wrong inside their brains, and if you don't know the horse and his story, then you can't rule that out. It happens.
This stud is no Nijinsky's Secret, who at least had a race record to warrant being kept as a stallion, albeit he didn't amount to much in the shed. There is nothing about this horse that needed to be reproduced and why he was kept intact is a mystery to me. He should have been gelded to start with.
@@angelalong5114 Phar Lap WAS a gelding, you ditz. And Sea Biscuit didn't amount to anything as a stallion but was used at stud while being laid up by an injury, returned to racing, then retired permanently to stud and never tried to kill anyone.
Crazymeg1 stallions in the wild can learn to be tame because of humans (sadly). So not all stallions are "crazy". I know someone who owned a stud that was as well behaved as a gelding. You're absolutely right. It's the human's fault.
Crazymeg1 maybe maybe not. I knew a filly that was a vicious nasty little bitch. She'd never been teased or anything. My friend owned her. She told me about her and my response was no not possible. Seeing was believing she was only 4 months old when I saw her. Just like any other animal something can go wrong in genetics
This guy wanted way to fast. The horse wasn't ready Horse gave me the man more warnings Didn't listen Bam gets bit Horse could have easily killed him but didn't... The horse isn't mean the horse isn't rude This horse has been in the wrong hands. Poor thing
Yes agreed. I broke my own mustang and she was butt ass wild. she was on her way to long term care which means in six months she would have ended up in Mexico with the other BLM mustangs,People thought I was nuts but I knew she was a good girl it took me 9months to get on her back and I am glad I did it that way,I spent money last winter and I could have done a better job my self and I am not trained . I learned by my self with books and good advice from a correctional trainer.She said that the slow processe I am doing is the best way for my mustang and to keep it up, But those cowboys push them and get out comes like this.No bull shit Jhon Lyons certified crap Will ever make the trainer. If the trainer is full of it.She or he will be worthless with or with out the certificate. And she is a Super barn witch,CANT BELIEVE STUPID PEOPLE,oops sorry.
Agree. So much pressure on that horse you could see the attack coming a mile off. He was actually very polite. Warning after warning but no he kept throwing that blanket at him. No surprises here.
+Katrina Schildener id agree. im not a horse trainer, but ive watched plenty of things about horse behaivor, plus my dad training a few. The way to handle this issue, is a calm situation. for example. The first time in the small covered area the man just moved that stick in his face,spooking the horse. That was a wrong move, you can see the horse shows his eye whites half the time. He/she is scared to death! This guy has put nothing but FEAR in him, and to fix that is to have calm approaches. Not a fast approach. The man also trys to defend himself..his first action takes place, such as waving the stick, pulling on the rope, etc. I agree with your comment, completly! and i cant believe they even showed something so cruel(not proper) on tv. Now thats dumb. This show should have never aired, and it just goes to show that some people who have horses dont know how to handle them properly.
People need to go and watch the whole documentary borrow they make a judgement on what he was doing and from the owners background, one single clip of the horse attacking the man isn't enough for someone to make that judgement. Go and watch the documentary it's called "Buck"....
It wouldn't matter who was was working him that horse was dangerous it's cracks me up it's just like buck said he's as close to a predator as you'll see and I've some bad ones and there not all man made!
@@jamieword8206 The horse could probably be brought around. Buck is too busy to take on this project. If the owner did not have the money, she should have contacted a horse rescue. Most rescues know the good horsemen who take on a problem simply because it's heart-breaking to see a young handsome horse be put to death due to incompetent handling - brain damaged or not! I have hosted several unruly rescue horses myself and spent countless hours bringing them around. There is no profit in it. It's a matter of saving a good horse from the ruin brought upon it by a person. This is a fine looking, intelligent, atheletic colt. I'm sorry if he were euthanized. It's sad that circumstances weren't different.
Not sure how waving and flapping a blanket and ropes were going to do anything but aggravate the horses aggression...to the horses point of view it was being attacked
This is not a fearful horse. It doesn’t matter how he got to this point, he is a danger. All these posters claiming they could change him are morons. I doubt there is enough money to get a Clinton Anderson in there. The man probably values his life. The horse is a danger and most of you boo-hooing about it wouldn’t go in there with him either. There are too many horses out there that aren’t looking to attack a person to get hurt by this one. Suppose you got this horse-what are you going to tell the parents of a child this horse kills? If you want to risk your own hide, that’s fine, but other people will be impacted as well. Just how much liability insurance do you think you would need-if you can get insurance knowing how the horse acts. Grow up, this is not an episode of my pet pony.
Some years ago my stallion was nigh like this one. Now he is faithful and trusted friend. Only months and years of working, patience and love could help to reach a good result. But not dementia&courage, as we see on this video.
Wow, there sure is a lot expert trainers on this page. With all this expert advise all of the bad horses in the world should be taken care of. Most of you don't know squat about training and even less about horses in general. If you had watched to whole documentary you probably would never have made such asinine remarks, but then maybe you would.
Yeah. Im hear telling you from experience, a stallion is nothing to play around with. We have a miniture horse stallion and hes gonna wake up a new man here soon. He is nothing like the gelding mustang I used to have. My mustang never reared or pawed or tried to bite me with evil in his eyes. That stallion does. I plan on further training after castration. However, I have some real nosey neighbors that drive by accusing me of abuse. This will be year 3 and no abuse found. Just some people who think our mini does no wrong. THAT is when people DO get hurt. Clint calls them 'tree huggers'. I call them type 2 animal activist. Fly off the handle on every little thing and call it abuse.
Having ridden for ten years, at multiple stables, including one where a colt was just starting to realize that he was bigger than the owner and had testosterone, AND bottle-fed, though he had a geriatric step-mom. This horse did NOT have brain damage, he was a smart horse. He recognized the flags as a danger, he realized what happened when he would go after Buck and started to go after him after his back was turned and he wasn't focused on him. What happens in three days clinics: You get the horse the first day, find it's small flaws, slap a saddle, a rider, and a bridle on the horse and work with them after they wear down (the round pen wears them down from constantly running). Then they repeat it for three days and say the horse is "cured" and "rideable". They do natural horsemanship, but not enough for a horse with REAL issues (this stallion) to be able to be a gentle rideable, calm horse. Montie Roberts is probably the most honest in his old book: He admitted himself that his techniques didn't cure all horses. He had a stallion once that every single time they turned off the live wire around his stall, he'd climb over the stall door and attack people. Montie worked with that stallion, and in the end, even though he kept the stallion, that stallion died the same way he was when Montie met him. He even admitted it himself that he couldn't fix that stallion, and there are a few cases of that in his book. Do I blame Montie for the fact that his story that horse was that incurable? No, the horse was a prize halter horse, and they probably kept him for stud and nothing else. I blame the people who screwed up that stallion to be that aggressive towards people. I don't blame Buck for the condition of that stallion when he arrived, I blame that woman who's an idiot with 19 stallions. I DO blame Buck for rushing this horse through a three-day clinic. That horse had a lot of red flags and no signs of improvement throughout the whole day that he was there. Even after his "lesson", he was still as aggressive as he was when he went in the pen. He was still charging, he was still going after men, and when pushed hard in a rush clinic situation, after MANY warnings, mind you, fought back. That stallion, even IF he was brain-damaged, would have made a good horse at some point. Not in a three-day clinic, but gelded, in a pasture (my riding instructor did the same thing with her colt) and learn what it means to be in a herd hierarchy. Mares, if stallions don't treat them right during mating, will kick that stallion in the ribs, most geldings, if they had that horse charging towards them, will fire off with both hind legs to tell him to stop. That would be a painful lesson for him, but it's better than throwing a rope around his hind legs, chasing him around in a round pen, and waving a flag at him for three days and expect him to be a gentleman on the other side. Buck lost my respect with the fact that he never even admitted it because he would lose face doing so.
This reminds me of an Arabian mare down at the livery yard where I kept my horse. If you passed by her stable door she would reach out to take a lump out of you. She was aggressive to the point that you didn’t even need to be near her, she would cross the field to get at you. Her aggressiveness was specific to men, which tells you all you need to know about her past. I just let the girls deal with her and if she came at me when I was fetching my horse from 5he field I always has a rope halter to wave at her face, then keep my own horse between us on the way back.
He's not dangerous, his owners made him dangerous. It is a monstrosity that they put him down. I could have done so much better with him than these cowboy retards that don't know shit about horses. I get this is a movie documentary whatever I don't care. But shit like this actually happens. I'm a stallion and warmblood breeder, and I've brought home so many stallions that were said to be to dangerous to be handled now there show horses, their handled every day. I could have this horse being respectful in a day and have him "trained" in no more than two weeks, guaranteed!!!
Lacy Napier I agree with you. He just runs up to this horse without gaining any trust with him at all and tries to throw things on his back. He doesn't know, ask he knew is that some random man was trying to harm him. You have to approach these horses differently instead of rushing into. Rome wasn't built in a night. I had an abused mule that was a lot like this stallion and after six years I finally got her to where you could trust her and be around her but still couldn't ride her, which was fine. But someone who does not know what they're doing and doesn't have a lot of time to devout to these animals, needs to reconsider stallions and untrained horses. He was a beautiful horse that was put down because he was doing what his instincts told him to.
So instead of gelding him and putting him out with a big herd of dominant, tough horses, she put him to sleep. Gave up right then and there instead of exhausting her options like a real horseman. Disgusting. Why is it that breeders tend to be the worst of the horse world? You'd think they'd have more sense, working with stallions and babies, but they're some of the biggest idiots out there.
What's mostly upsetting about this whole clip is this woman actually asking people to come in and handle or try to work with this monster she's created. This horse was born brain damaged and displayed outburst of violence that was uncontrollable since that time. He got progressively worse. There she is crying when she should never endangered anyone's life with this piece of carp stud who learned to be a bully - shame on her and for the other bunch of studs she had - what a nutcase.
How about it wasn’t totally here fault in this situation the stallion was becoming fearful and wasn’t getting any relief from the pressure the idiot trainer was putting on to him and he felt the need to defend himself from a predator/challenger.
This wasn't brain damage, that was her excuse so she can play off her own failures. She just trained it, in Buck's words, to be predatory, and then couldn't deal with it once he weighed a few hundred pounds.
Rimfaxe96 buck used that excuse himself either to be polite or not lose face to how badly they handled the situation. Also to not rip a client to shreds in front of others who might have second thoughts. Money is the end all.
That guy is too busy trying to make himself look good and trying to push the stallion through that he forgot he cant rush nature. He wasn't watching the signs the stallion was giving him even from the beginning. Stallions are territorial. if you are a threat to him of course he is going to come at you. Horse speak body language. His rearing is his was of saying "fuck off".He attacked his because he went a step too far, he felt challenged so he moved forward to protect his position as herd leader.
yeah, him. i read his book and absolutely agree with his methods more than anoybody else. theres WAY more understanding in his training methods than anyone else's and I LOVE IT!
For all the "Think like a horse" followers, this horse actually was brain-damaged, and became aggressive from fighting other stallions, or being beaten up by other stallions, in its home pasture. It is not a "stupid human's" fault, some horses are just aggressive and are too broken to be fixed.
HP Horsemanship ‘Brain damaged’.......how do you know? No scars or bite marks from being ‘beaten up by other stallions’. You judge something you know little about.
Barbara Green We know it's brain damaged because it said so in the documentary... The horse was in a barn fire as a foal and wasn't breathing when they found him. He suffered brain damage due to oxygen deprivation. Sounds to me like you're the one judging things you know little about.
So glad someone else sees that!!! This horse is not bad, just been taught bad lessons and needs work! By someone that knows what they are doing and not pushing him too hard too fast.
soaringtractor Idk what clip you are seeing but you aren't seeing what I am. And i'm done with this goodbye. You are very very blind to what he is doing and apparently also an abuser. Have fun with your life.
Gotta luv those stupid humans who create this....then take them to a clinic and expect a miracle 🙏 I'm seriously sorry for that horse because with different humans he would have been just fine😉🙏❤️🐎🌎
People are always looking for someone to blame and make the bad guy. But I'm not seeing fear with this horse all I'm seeing is attitude. Which isn't to say people didn't help it along, but sometimes animals can just be aggressive.
I'm sorry, how would you like something thrown into your face and on your shoulders, and you have no idea what it is? That horse was scared. Just because a horse's ears are back, does not mean they're angry. It can also mean that they are scared. Horses are fight or flight animals, like humans and many other animals, so he was a fighter. He felt threatened, and attacked that moron because he was afraid. It's a shame they put him down rather than stop being lazy and actually try to fix this horse they ruined because he was a beautiful horse.
@@Lunaish03 It's usually best to take an unruly horse, put him in a grassy paddock, and let him be a horse. Let him get used to his new surroundings. Leave him be. Eventually, he will become lonely, then curious, and finally he will approach you. When he does, the war has already been won. There may be a few battles before it's over, but decades of experience have taught me that a truly crazy horse never makes the initial connection. In my entire life, there was only 1 mare who was so sadly abused that she was deemed crazy. Despite a concerted effort by a very experienced horsewoman, it was finally determined that the mare would be humanely euthanized. I was away at the time, or I would have taken her home and given her one more chance. Few horses are truly insane, but there are some that can not be reached - they are "in the zone" and you simply have to wonder what happened to cause such psychosis. The horse in this video is not psychotic.
There are thousands of sweet, gentle horses heading out for slaughter each year. I certainly believe in owners working through problems with horses, but this is messed up way beyond that. Just because this stallion is a gorgeous palomino - how bout saving a sweet life from the kill buyers at an auction instead? How about valuing a sweet, gentle nature in a scrubby brown body over gold and flaxen on a messed up killer? Instead of risking lives, including ANY child that ever got close to this messed up stallion heaven forbid, give that attention and a home to one of those sweety pies headed for disaster. And every single person on here boasting about all your stallions and studs - 100 percent certainty some of your stallions and their progeny end up on a meatwagon. Stop your "backyard breeding" for god's sake, it's nothing to boast about. Save a thrown out racehorse or "family horse" or save a mustang from the BLM. Oh, and actually commit to keeping them their entire life so they don't end up in Canada or Mexico. Now there's something to boast about.
anyone who feels sorry for this horse is ridiculous. this is a dangerous stallion who has had no training. when stallions are left in trained and even some that are don't deserve their balls some can't handle them that's why most are cut because they are flat out dangerous. to say this man deserved this you people should be ashamed and need to re educate yourself on stallions and how dangerous they can be.
LAUREN GONZALEZ Not to mention this horse also had brain damage from oxygen deprivation and was raised an orphan, with no adult horses to teach him manners or how to behave. It’s exactly like Buck said, the human failed him in this case.
I am not a horse-trainer, but I know you CAN keep large numbers of studs together in bachelor herds. I'd bet money that her keeping numerous studs is not the issue. They just need a bit of space to run and kick the crap out of each other and get their male-ness out. This guy has probably been denied that, so he's frustrated.
I don't think she has the money to geld all those stallions. The question I ask is why? She obviously has little horse experience so why? Why does she have 18 stallions? To me, she pasture breed and now she is attached to them and now she has no money to geld them. For a single person, there is no reason to even have 18 horses be it mares, geldings or stallions. Yes, studs can run together but why does she have 18 of them that she has nothing to do with?
+Kaiser Frost This horse has been bottlefed since he was a foal. And he has been raised almost like a human without any boundries(sorry for my english). This horse has never got the chance to grow up learning how to be a horse. I also believe that there is something wrong in this horses head, if I remember the correct words from seeing the whole documentary about this horse. This is basicly not the horses fault, but since the horse is that dangerious, its more polite and best to put it to sleep - and they did.
+Charlotte-Victoria Dale wtf! put the horse to sleep? the guy in this video did everything WRONG yet you're blaming the horse. the horse was telling the trainer he was being pushed too hard and instead of the trainer slowing down, he ignored all the signs and the horse had to back him down.
The owner did the right thing to put that horse down. He was exceptionally dangerous and he enjoyed it. I feel bad that he was mishandled to that point, but it was the right thing to do. He was destined to kill someone, possibly a child. I hope that woman got rid of at least 3/4 of those stallions she's got.
That is definitely not true. Rick Gore has a very well reflected opinion about ethical foundations of horse keeping. It is easier to do what all have done always before, even if it is wrong. The end does not justify the means and sport is a human concept, not a real animal interest or like. Rick Gore knows how to seduce horses to performance and not to force them to do what the rider believes to want. This video is an example of a communication problem. The horse is stopping the attack, when the trainer is on the ground. This horse may be aggressive and selfconfident, but it is not "dangerous".
I'd heard this horse was brain damaged at birth and viciously aggressive - Buck had come out to try to help her. She's kept a big group of stallions and let this horse act like a maniac and learn he can be a bully and attack people. They were initially just trying to keep him from attacking them and after he did in the round pen just quit. He needs to be pts before he kills someone - I believe he was. He's not scared at all of them or abused - there's no "poor scared horsie" here. .just a scrub stud that's vicious. Buck's trained thousands gently and he just shook his head. I would also, shame on her.
Buck's one of my few living Heroes. I love you Buck. I read your book. I tell everyone in your line of interest about you. Youre tops. I even wrote you a 4 Page typed fan letter once and never sent it.
I'm seeing a lot of opinions based on little knowledge and little fact. The stallion had become a predator because of its owner's actions, that much is true. This video is a clip from the documentary "Buck", based on the life of Buck Branneman. To get a better understanding of the circumstances that led to the stallion's behaviors, you would need to watch the movie. I was able to find more information about the stallion's behavior that didn't make it into the movie (it was disturbing and much to inappropriate) just by searching the web. The decision to destroy the stallion was not made lightly - due to human safety concerns and safety and quality of life for the horse, there was no other option.
***** yup but that was defiantly an excuse to so call 'make better' her badly mannered and trained horse. Stuck my ass... this horse just was tough bad lessons and now it has paid for something humans created... I still do not agree with how things turned out. The behavior seen here and in the documentary had nothing to do with a foal being oxygen deprived. It was simple bad manors and bad lessons, and well i agree on this one that it should have been gelded a long time go. All those things added up created this monster, a man made monster.
The horse isn't doing anything wrong.. flight or fight.. he is choosing fight obviously... the owner needs to give up owning horses and see a psychologist..
Your daughter has rehabbed brain damaged, bottle fed foals? Sure she has. This horse was long beyond help and was extremely dangerous. You simply cannot rehab a horse out of a lack of social structure and boundaries as a foal.
I wonder if the people leaving many of those comments had the audio turned up so they could hear what was being said. the cowboy that got bit had already ridden the horse. that's when the comment was made that the safest place around this horse is on him. also Buck waves the whip at the horse only when the horse makes a gesture to come after him. I think bucks comments that the horse has become a predator are accurate. I think he points out the shortcomings of the horses environment with the woman adequately. it's a sad situation and I think Buck sums it up pretty clearly.
Shut the fuck up you better not comment something like this again. Dam it people would you like to be boxed up in the stall, where you can't stretch you're legs, or playing open space. How would you feel if a so called cowboy threw a blanket over your back and you didn't know what to do because you weren't trained one bit. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
This video is a clip from the documentary about Buck Brannaman , from the documentary movie "Buck".... excellent documentary film, and make sure you watch the "extras", which are really really good. This is one film that I've watched several times....
He's not trying to train the stallion he's just in the pen with him and when he comes at him he drives him back. He's trying to convince the lady she's making a mistake keeping 18 stallions together and she needs to make some decisions about this. He needs to be gelded asap and worked with. Buck was just trying to tell her you've turned him into a prey animal by allowing him to be in this environment and behave this way. He's seriously no joke attacking people and as Buck says in all my years and so on about his behavior. I've seen it before once and it shocked me when that horse attacked but usually it's because the owners got afraid..not abusive.. afraid. Horse's aren't stupid and some will take advantage. This stud is outer limits
He is dangerous but this was a people problem. "Trainer" right. Go watch Think Like A Horse channel and watch his take on this video. This isn't a horse problem it's a people problem. The horse has issues but this clip was not one of them
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
While in nature stallions run in herds......there is a pecking order....or chaos. My trainer had a few stallions together sometimes but they minded her and each other! She was herd leaders in their eyes and when a sudden forest fire almost hit her home she put all her horses....geldings, mares, and stallions loose in a huge dirt pen to keep them safe all the horses minded their manners.....even the stallions! They all behaved and no foals were conceived either!
Put him down? that gorgeous thing!? . I'd say you just gotta be patient and know what to do. wtf is he trying to achieve with the fucking blanket anyway?
This would be an amazing horse if she hadn't ruined him. First she shouldn't of kept him as a stud, let the behaviour get this bad, actually have some horse knowledge! I bet someone could've worked with him and he'd change. Poor guy.
I totally agree, earlier in the video the horse was calm and and was just standing there. It was probably 6 ft from him. Then he decides to chase it away when moves an inch. they should've gelded it if it was that much trouble. The lady seems too scared to even try to deal with it anyway😑
+Alina Reybey Oh, and he is such a beauty! I've seen this documentary a few times and I forget whether she ever tries to explain WHY she has 18(!?!) stallions.
All you would have to do is turn him out for about two or three months and let him collect his thoughts and start all over and he would be just fine. I've seen this same thing before, he is NOT a bad horse he has just had some IDIOT trainers. Semper Fi.
She has that many because she is STUPID! If they are not GOOD breeding stock they all need gelded. That is the trouble with all horses and dogs, people just breed them for money when over 3/4 are not of breeding stock. GREED makes bad horses and dogs. Semper Fi.
She sent that man on a suicide mission after being told that horse is dangerous...Smh That man is one lucky guy, that horse could have done some serious damage.
My stallion started off rough like this guy, but after some patience and firm training, he's now a puppy dog. There was no need to give up on this guy. He was a clever horse...the oxygen deprivation was a lame excuse.
If you watch carefully in slow motion, the horse bights at the brim of the hat, and tries to stomp the blanket..he was afraid of what he didn't recognize, not the human, the horse looked so afraid and bewildered afterwards, I felt so so bad for him..they are so innocent when we don't speak their language, we need to take more time to work and talk to them with body language, rather than gear..lessons we all learn..:)
+petrairene This is what happens when you treat a potentially 1,200 lb animal like a puppy dog. She tried to compensate for the fact that he was an orphan and he had some degree of oxygen deprivation. First mistake.
In Portugal I had an ex bullfighting stallion kept at a stable with at least 15 other stallions. Only time there was a problem was if a mare in season got close. That man knows bat shit about horses, but obviously neither does that girl.
Sorry but that was kinda deserved? You can’t try to throw a saddle on him before ground work, that’s just ridiculous. The horse obviously felt threaten by it and protected himself.
If "horse trainers" are running out of phantasy, ideas, methods, patience, courage, understanding, and goodness they declare horses to be candidates for euthanization. That is the final method to avoid the risk to let someone else do a better job. Being afraid of competition is not mature and it is not manly. The tragedy of this poor horse was having stupid owners and trainers. The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell Read more at: www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/bertrandru101364.html "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." (Bertrand Russell)The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell Read more at: www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/bertrandru101364.html
Just like my Grandfather used to say that was discharged from the Cavalry in Arizona Territory in 1902, which died in 1970 at 94, he said with animals you have to expect anything from any direction at anytime, but he said that there is a wrench that will fit EVERY nut you deal with, all you have to do is find that wrench. And wet saddle blankets make good horses. I'm sure he forgot more about horses than I'll ever know, but I keep finding those wrenches so far. At 68 I can't stand too many more broken bones. But a good horse is still a pleasure to ride. Semper Fi.
From some comments I've read, a lot of you have absolutely no sense. This horse is extremely dangerous. Gelding this horse would make no difference at this point. The woman made some mistakes with him but I honestly believe she did everything with good intentions. This horse was not abused, the complete opposite. This is what happens sometimes when you raise a horse like you would a dog. I've seen mares and geldings be this aggressive. The man did not deserve to me attacked. He was trying to help the horse. Some of you shouldn't comment on something that you have no fucking idea about.
+Chris Johnson Agreed! I don't know why, but am almost at the point of wanting UA-cam to ban all vids containing horses and people together for the simple reason that there will always be, without a doubt, a negative remark calling the person (and sometimes even the animal) in some way or form and idiot! It doesn't matter what they are doing in the vid! Yes, the woman must of contributed towards this horse's behaviour now, which is very sad whether it was intentional or not (I'm not gonna say anything since I don't know the whole story), but calling the man, who's actually trying to save this horse from being put down, an idiot among various other things is really uncalled for! It may be a hopeless case, but he's TRYING! He's NOT an idiot! He's not just sucking these methods out of his thumb! He's also a human, and humans make mistakes, which is why he got attacked. And NO, he did NOT deserve to be attacked! These things just happen, injuries are to be expected in this line of work etc.
+Drag0n Mistr3ss sure bigger control always worked out it's called freedom of speech although most people don't know a damn thing about horses quite a few of us do
+Chris Johnson It was still stupid to go into a roundpen armed with a sack. Sacking out?? at that stage with that horse? Ridiculous. He needed a big lunge whip to give himself some space.
janemiranda FITCH Absolutely! He definitely should have had a lunge whip with him! At least it would have been long enough that he would not have to be that close to him. Also this horse is the way he is because he has no respect for people. Although I don't blame the horse, this horse needs something like the crack of a whip or a crack on his ass to intimidate (or at least try) him!! He's got to have a very firm but yet gentle hand if he's to ever get any better. If it had been me working with him I would have first worked him down really good before trying to do anything else with him. I know getting him tired wouldn't fix anything, but in my opinion I do believe he would not have been quite so eager to run someone down.
obviously you've never been bit and stomped by a horse this horse is totally and completely out of control but you know what this man this working with him will bring out the gentle side of him and then you'll see a stallion that is acting the way he should gentle and kind and it is the way they're raised and I have raised many horses and all of them have manners and respect for the ground we walk on
Dangerous horse? More like dangerous human. The horse was giving him many options to stop but the man kept on going, that's why he got bit. He could easily have killed him if he wanted too. But he didn't Because horses just don't work that way. This horse isn't dangerous the human who caused the horse to be like this is the reason why he's ''supposedly'' dangerous. Poor horse..
when a horse acts aggressive and you back off, you're actually reinforcing the aggressive behavior. that horse needed to learn that he's not the head honcho anymore.
Shelby Willis Before you tell us we are all dumb asses, I said the right thing to do I've handled many horses including studs, hot bloods and many more l have a young horse myself. You gotta know how to read their body language This horse was obviously extremely nervous and clearly did not want to be saddled the guy was trying to get a pad on the horses back he tried multiple times horse was telling him no he didn't listen Some people just don't know how to handle horses. If you keep on give pressure without giving release the horse will try to find a way out even if it involves that the human can get hurt.
17Fidelis75 When a horse shows aggressive behavior 99% it's your fault. It's never the horses fault. Plus, the horse was obviously extremely nervous the guy was keep on trying to put that saddle pad on The stallion was uncomfortable and scared and trying to tell the guy Stop! But the guy was keep on going if he would have stopped trying to put the saddle pad on and try to lead him without anything else than he would've been fine. This stallion just needed ground work done This horse turned like this by humans Showing leadership is not keep on trying to put a saddle pad on Leadership is showing in a good way that you are the higher horse, this guy was only giving pressure and pressure he wasn't leading he was making this horse nervous I have handled horses like this, if l would've handled this stud l would've worked on ground manners before even thinking about trying to saddle that wasn't necessary Horses are like a mirror They react to your personalty, to your attitude They are a reflection of you And people who know and understand a horse with body language knew that this was too fast and that this guy shouldn't have tried to keep on put a saddle pad on he was too fast and he should've listened to the horse. The horse easily could've killed him if wanting too But didn't Because the horse was giving him several warnings but the guy didn't listen when the horse told him to stop. That's why this happened
not saying it's the horse's fault, his owner is the reason he is like that, and the first thing that horse needs to be taught is respect, the way you earn a horse's respect is by moving his feet. I can tell you right now that horse wasn't scared, he was taught his whole life that when he acts aggressively people will leave him alone. if that horse were scared he would have ran from the man applying pressure not outright attack him
Leeanna Spellman It’s sad, but seriously the best thing for the horse in this situation considering it had brain damage and had gotten this dangerous. Maybe if someone else had gelded him and raised him, things would have turned out differently. But the safest and most humane thing in this situation was probably to euthanize him,
That is not even accurate... This horse was not only deprived of oxygen after birth. He was coddled, not properly trained, and not allowed to be with other horses.
I believe this horse might be nervous and frightened, but it's not from the blanket thing. This horse is also being VERY disrespectful. When a horse is bobbing their head, rearing and in the beginning how he ran to the fence to try and bite someone when no one was in there, that's called disrespect. I've seen disrespectful horses before and that's how they act. They will bite, rear, kick, etc or do whatever possible to make sure they're moving your feet. That's what this horse was doing. You can't baby your horse. That's NOT what they do in the wild. But this trainer did it all wrong. He should of went to the basics of ground work of moving the horse's feet through round penning or lunging. Something else other than desensitizing.
There's an old saying, "Improve a horse, you've helped one. Improve yourself, you've helped all of 'em."
Sound bit of wisdom there.
Reminds me also of a mare I had years ago. I bought her out of an abusive situation. She had been hit in the head numerous times with a sledge hammer when she would get stubborn. The first time the prior owner tried to saddle her she laid down, so the idiot stood on her head and ground it into the dirt. I bought her to get her out of there and also she seemed to trust me right away. She was of course head shy. And would lunge and bite at anyone but me who would try to go near her head. And she was a kicker. She could swing around and kick faster than you could blink. She had wonderful Quarter horse bloodlines, but my Vet and trainer were sure she had some brain damage from the hammers. I spent thousands of dollars on a trainer I had known since childhood. And it took her three times longer to learn anything than it would have any other horse. I didn't care how much I spent or how much time I spent with her. She deserved a chance. And after over three years that little Chestnut Quarter horse turned into a wonderful horse. I am so glad I didn't give up on her.
If that mare had laid down when I saddled her, instead of hammering her, I would of put smelling salts or sheep manure or something near her nostrils.
Magnifique histoire!
What a wonderful story, that poor girl.
18 stallions lady wtf. learn a thing. anything
That stud did not attack out of the blue, he gave a thousand signals that he needed release.
Yep
The horse was dangerous and Buck is a professional
@@cynthiaheath202 a lot of people claim that they are professionals, but proof is in the pudding.
Unless you currently train studs or mentally handicapped horses I suggest you butt out... he risked his safety to help this idiotic woman..
@@DiamondKStables I have trained horses for years, and if you had an iota of horse sense, you would be able to read their body language.
"This horse tells me a lot about you"
is so true
it´s not the animal, it´s the owner, same with the pit bulls
...agree, and not only pitbulls, - all the dogs - some breeds need special approach, and people treat them like idiots, so the poor dogs then end very bad
Pits are not bad
Dont compare horses to pitbulls. Outbulss attack u provoked and make up 70% of all attacks. Genetics dictate behavior.
With pits, they both suck.
no.......Pitbulls and horses are NOT the same. Horses are born as prey, molded by nature to flee from danger. Only fighting for dominance or against a predator. Pitbulls were selectively bred by humans to FIGHT and to enjoy it.
There have been plenty of good owners who still ended up with their pitbulls attacking them with no warning. Pitbulls are never meant to be truly pets, they were bred to be fighting machines, first and foremost. Yes they are still dogs, and will act like dogs, and even be genuinely friendly, but there's always going to be that moment that instinct kicks in, and they will snap.
She has 18 stallions running together??? She's bat shit crazy! Anyone notice her shaking her head "no" while he was telling her how crazy and dangerous it was? I seriously doubt he can teach her anything.
+denkidog There are a lot of people who have horses who shouldn´t, maybe even you, there is no legislation that determines who and who may not own a horse. The point is the woman saught help and the help did not pan out.
+mark warnberg Please show me where I said she has no business owning a horse. Thank you.
+denkidog Your own statement about the woman impies she should not be messing with horses.
+mark warnberg No, sir, it does not "imply" that. My comment is regarding stallions which it clearly says.
+denkidog Oh, she should not be messing with stallions....ok.
Stallion went for the neck! I could feel the horse's frustration man
first step GELD HIM..... THAT'S ABOUT 90% OF IT
That was a no go, agreed geld it first, no point even trying that was on the cards, turn it away for a year with a heard, then bring it back and try, then if still a no go and dangerous, put it down, they already put it down so never mind, depends if it was worth the risk understandable.
I love how when he offers a viable solution, putting the colt gelded and in a herd with other older horses including mares and geldings. She immediately gets defensive and says: "Well.. He's been with stallions." That could be a stall where the horse has limited interaction, it could be a pasture with limited interaction over fences, it could even be the herd with him the highest. She doesn't want a solution except the three day miracle session with Buck and to take her happy horse home and be able to spoil him even worse.
This horse desperately needed to be in a pasture with mares and very high geldings and be kicked down several times by them. He needed to be gelded, he needed to have someone who if he came charging towards them he'd get a smack in the chest/neck or the butt (maybe the face if it's absolutely necessary, even then I'm not a fan of it due to how painful it is, but with a horse charging at you head on, you don't really have a choice sometimes sadly.) with a rope, rock, chain, water from a hose, whatever until the horse learns respect. I wouldn't chase it after he backed off, but I wouldn't let the horse come into my space until he shows me respect, and no horse would allow him to come into a herd the way he is acting. He still most likely has the instincts to want to be in a herd, and he would learn that if he didn't show higher horses respect he'd get his butt beaten over and over again until he learned that he could stay in the herd if he gets out of the way of the higher horses, he didn't charge them, and he showed submission and respect to the higher horse. He shows nothing here except dominance and disrespect, even over humans which spells disaster.
Not that I blame him for what happened with the head clubbing. The handler handled it wrong treating it like another three day rush clinic. He wasn't ready and actually was acting like a horse and showing all the signs of a horse that he was getting close to the fight mode when the guy didn't give him any release and he couldn't run. Notice as soon as the guy let go and backed away he trotted away and didn't try any more damage even though the guy was still in the pen.
I watched the film Buck yesterday:
Nice to see someone is observent. You also observed there seem to be no problem in saddleing and riding the horse! The problem did not start until Brannaman started messing with the hind legs with his rope tricks (for a reason never explained!) an action typical of a preditor taking down it´s pray. What happen between then and when Brannaman´s side-kick got himself scalped we do not know, nor why there was a need for the sacking out?
It was my understanding Buck Brannaman wanted to do a Monty Roberts Problem Horse Show and it didn´t work out as planned and that his anger was not so much at the woman as at himself because it made him look bad.
The very fact that the horse could be "SADDLE & RIDDEN"! tell´s me there was no serious problem with the horse! (remember he was only 3-years old!!)
I felt for the woman, she know´s she in over her head, comes to a famous trainer for help, get´s chewed up and hung out in public then has go home and shoot her horse that she bottle fed to save.
Who Failed Who?
She wanted her 15 minutes. 18 Stallions? Give me an irresponsible breeding break!!!! She got her EGO Busted. And the guy is lucky he didn't get more than a head injury. Do what you can DO. Not some lalaland fantasy. There is only one reason to keep a stallion entire, and that is he is exceptional in alll qualities. Everything else is irresponsible. Buck was honest. I don't even have geldings because I feel guilty about cutting them. So I stick with Mares, because I have nothing to prove by owning a stallion. I love Bucks honesty.
Melanie Willard Have had stallion myself, neighbor kids would take him out, never a problem. It´s not a case of Stallion v Mare v Gelding, it is simply there are a lot of people out there who should not be messing with horses.....but then if they did stick too what they are good at then all these horse gurus would be out of a job.
Did you honestly say hit a horse with a rock or chain???
The reason the guy didn't give release is because the horse didn't. I realise the horse gave warnings, but you don't stop what you're doing because the horse warns. The horse doesn't dictate terms.
The handler missed opportunities to reprimand the warnings, say "hey no. We're working. Pull your horns in and work." - though because the horse hadn't been set boundaries and was hand raised (bottle fed) trying to implement those boundaries would've resulted in an attack as well.
The fact it could be saddled and ridden means nothing if the foundations are shaky. A horse should never react aggressively when being handled - he wasn't cornered. He had places to move.
He really did need to lose his nuts and be put in a herd of hen pecking mares who have the ability to enforce boundaries, but it still may not have been enough and she wasn't willing to try it.
She ruined the horse by babying it and not creating healthy boundaries. The horse has zero guidance as to how he should behave; all he knew to do was attack.
People seem to be ignoring the stud lunging and snaking at the man walking past his stall. The man did nothing but walk. Yeah he can be saddled and ridden but he was amped up to attack anybody he could, he didn't need an excuse. He used one with the sacking out.
I have had battles with horses. It always looks bad before it gets better. You start to enforce boundaries that weren't there before and they're going to fight it.
Persistence and consistency is key. But when their aggression is that bad, they're living a life of constant stress. The constant will to attack. It's harmful to themselves and it can be kinder to put down.
It's impossible to say whether another way would've worked, because no one has that answer. Putting down was one of the options, which is not a bad one. There are a lot of good horses, and stallions out there. The world isn't at great loss without an aggressive one.
I had a mare who would randomly be aggressive. She chased another trainer out of the round pen teeth bared and tried to climb the panels after her. I spent 90 days on her to get her to the point where she was rideable---with a warning. She would be sweet on occasion and respected me more than any other person. She had only reached a point that most horses I start get to in two weeks. I spent nearly two months round penning and on the ground. I sent her home after we had a nice walk trot session for the first time in an english saddle (she's a Holsteiner) and she decided to get sticky in a corner. I hadn't even touched her when she exploded. She launched from the corner to the center of the arena and I had no chance of staying on. She was unpredictable and I recommended that no one less of a trainer than myself even handle her because some days she would just bite you or try to chase you or kick you. Turns out her mother had the same disposition and they turned her into a broodmare because she almost killed someone. So question is, these horses that are dangerous to any owner and trainer what do you do with? I don't believe in breeding horses that aren't damn near perfect and unless she has a 6'4" man in a western saddle on her she was nearly unrideable after 3 months of training. Like this stud: you cannot give this horse away (for legality reasons, if anyone was killed by this horse you can be held liable depending which state your in, even ones with equine liability act may still allow you to be held responsible for negligence, that their death was caused by you not informing them to the danger), you cannot handle it, you cannot breed it. I know theres a lot of horse lovers out there that believe horses can be rehabbed. Could this stud have been a different horse? Absolutely, but was it safe for anyone at this point to battle him? Absolutely not, I've got big balls as far as cowboying up but I wouldnt step into a pen with him. There's far too many horses in this world who are sold at auction that would be 100x safer than him. You can get a safer horse. With his learning disability(from oxygen deprivation), the fact he's a 3 year old unhanded stud who had been orphaned (which from personal experience, they do not have the same boundaries and respect for people as horses raised by their mother) and he's a good size horse...I would give him the pink juice too, and like Buck, I would let the owner know that this is on her--he would not have been that horse if he had been gelded and worked with. I understand she had been hurt--she needed to sell him or hire someone to work with him. Having watched the whole documentary: she had 18 studs. She was an irresponsible owner. There is zero excuse for that. Its her fault he was that horse. The mare I worked with I have no idea what they're doing with her. I was just glad to see her go. Unless you are an actual horse trainer you have no right to have an opinion on this. You're not the one who steps into a round pen with a 1200lb animal who wants to kill you. It would be the same as toss someone into a tiger pen: they might make it out alive but if they make one wrong move they're dead.
That guy in the ring with that horse was begging to be attacked. Talk about living dangerously.
What in the hell was that lady doing with 18? stallions?! Some of the largest breeding operations don't have that many. She's an ignorant fool and her ego was what ruined that poor horse. Horses aren't born like that and I know as I was a foaling manager at a large race horse farm for 10 yrs. Animal rights people ought to limit her owning so many stallions. She obviously knows little about them. This makes me furious and you can see Buck wasn't too fond of her either.
Small space with an aggressive horse who is also nervous, is asking for trouble. The horse has nowhere to go and you don't either. Especially with how territorial stallions are, you need a larger space to get them away from you if needed and to teach them to respect your space. Plus I also notice that Buck is barely even paying attention to the horse, when your training you have to be completely focused, horses know when your only half paying attention. Klaus Hempfling is a great example of how to deal with stallions creating respect without fear.
People need to actually see the whole documentary of this before commenting on how stupid they think this man (Buck Brannaman) is. You can't cast judgement just from watching this one short clip. The documentary is called Buck, and is about this man who has handled horses from a very young age, with trying to rehabilitate this stallion in focus at the end. If you would just watch the documentary, you would know this horse was oxygen deprived when he was born because his mother died during birth, meaning his brain was harmed. He should've been handled like you would handle a disabled child, but he wasn't. Instead he was left pretty much to his own defences because his owner broke her back in two places when he was still a foal (he's three years here). He didn't learn how to interact with other horses or people. You can see in the documentary how he seriously tries to attack people just because they're walking by his pen. His owner says he even attacks cars.
This horse should've received special treatment from the get-go because of his disability and the fact that he was orphaned. But he didn't, and so he became this; a dysfunctional horse that doesn't know how to behave in any situation, and that has, as Buck puts it, gotten him as close to a predator as a horse can get. You just need to watch at how this stallion attacks to understand what Buck means - he doesn't just go in for one bite or kick and then runs off like any other horse would do when feeling threatened, he dives into the attack trying to do as much damage as possible, maybe even kill. Because of where he comes from, he is dangerous, and it's not his fault. It's because of the combination of brain damage and not getting the special treatment he needed.
Just as a last statement, Buck never once beats this horse. He uses those sticks with flags to keep the horse from attacking him by simply waving them rapidly in front of his head, discouraging him.
For goodness sake, go watch the documentary.
where can I find the full documentary? cant seem to find it =/ x
@LaceyAnn Matthews
The documentary is now on you tube.
MyFreakingCookie how about he was placing too much pressure too quickly and the horse turned to an aggressive defense. The guy deserved it. He was being a predator/challenger that this horse saw as a threat.
@@meaghannescheering2522 a horse needs to be given pressure to learn.
It's the most basic fundamental of horsemanship: provide pressure, horse yields.
The basis of anything you want to do with a horse whether its liberty or the Olympics.
I walk towards a horse, I apply pressure with my body language, it walks backwards. I walk towards the hind quarters, it yields sideways. I put leg on, it yields forward. So on and so forth.
The man provided pressure with the sack. The horse responded by getting aggressive instead of yielding. The man did miss cues to correct, but that probably only would've hastened the attack. So continue with same pressure until it yields correctly. The horse, however, only knew how to respond aggressively instead of submissively.
The pressure is not an issue. If you did that to a "normal" horse who understood body language and the dynamics of a relationship, it would've yielding. Maybe been frightened at first until it realised the sack wasn't harming.
The only horses that attack aggressively when given pressure like that are the ones who have been humanized.
Brya Wallace I know this but the horse was saying he was not ready for the amount of pressure placed on him.
You are correct, thchillz - he was not breathing for quite some time after he was born. The owner revived him, and raised him in her house. In addition to being brain damaged from lack of oxygen, he never learned how to be a horse. He tried to mount female humans (no interest in mares), and tried to attack male humans, rather than other stallions. Unfortunately, due to brain damage, there was no going back. Even gelded, he would have always been dangerous.
cjn37
You need to have some Rick Gore sense kicked into you!
To me this doesn't sounds like a primarily brain damaged horse. It sounds like a humanised one. It happens in many species (horses, birds, sheep etc), and unfortunately they can imprint on humans being just another one of their extended herd and have no natural caution or respect there. If they never get the right amount of disapline, and are not given adequate levels of socialisation with their own species while young, many never completely recover regardless of training and remain dangerous. Particularly entire males can become quite aggressive towards humans, and even if you put them in with others of their species they don't know how to behave appropriately. There have even been attacks on people by what are suspected to be hand reared wildlife (due to the bizarre behaviour and knowledge that hand reared animals have been released in these areas where problems have occured). These animals will normally run from people and are not aggressive unless pushed into it. I understand why she may have had to hand raise it to save it, but it needed to go back out to spend time in a pasture with other horses (or better yet put on a nurse mare if she could find one to take it) and as soon as possible and gelded before it hit a year of age.
From a site about the movie talking about this horse:
As for the troubled horse, Buck could have possibly made some significant changes in the horse if he quit his day job and took it home and worked with it quite a bit. However, he has a lot of people counting on him to show up at clinics to work with horses that are also troubled, but have great potential. Julie decided to put the horse down because she realized that she did not have the skill, time or money to try to rehabilitate such a lost animal. There is a lot more to the story that we couldn’t put into the film unless we decided to make it the entire story. In the end, I applaud her bravery to make such a tough decision. We had to station people around the round pen for the entire afternoon before that horse was loaded. Every time ANYONE walked past the pen, the horse ran at full speed and lunged over the top of the pen at the person. Should we have walked away for even 5 minutes, an innocent child could have walked up to pet the pretty horse and had her hand removed. Humans have to be responsible to other humans. Knowing that you have such a dangerous animal, you could not ever rest knowing that if he got out, or you weren’t around, that he would do bodily harm to another person who was totally innocent. I don’t think there are more than 5 people on the planet that could truly handle that horse, and even then, the brain damage factor is a wild card. I was not even going to use that footage, but we realized the huge life lesson that it brought to the film and also saw the significance of the parallel to Buck and that horse. He could have ended up that damaged if he hadn’t had good parenting in the long run.
+MegF If the horse was so far gone then how was it that it could be transported, saddled and ridden with no problem until Brannaman started messing around with his rope at which time the situation escalated from doing good to man eater? No excuse for stupitidy!
mark warnberg Just passing along information that read on another site about the horse's unfortunate outcome. Sad.
+mark warnberg watch the movie this guy is probably the best horseman I've ever seen
Drew Inskeep Who was the other trainer in the round pen waving the blanket at the stallion who got charged and bitten? That didn't seem a very wise thing to be doing.
+Drew Inskeep Each to his/her opinion, I can only judge by what I see and what I saw in the movie I was not impressed and came to the simple conclusion I would not want that man messing with my horses.
Poor horse. It's not his fault he was ruined by stupid humans.
Malala Playz Yeah :D
Malala Playz Yeah, I really like his videos, I hope more horse people watched them.
Malala Playz Yeah, his personality can be a bit hard to handle at first but when you get past it he really has good things to say!
Malala Playz Exactly.
Malala Playz Sometimes people won't listen no matter what you try? Has she ever tried riding or working with her horse without a bit? If not, try to do that with her, and remember to be patient. She probably thinks that way because it's what she was told when she started riding and she has never had to think for herself if it's good or not.
When the horse attacked the guy, the horse was just putting a stop to the pressure. Notice once the pressure stopped the horse backed off, he could have killed that guy. I read elsewhere that the horse was put down.
everyone says poor horse but does no one realize that the whole time the man is working to teach the horse to move back, that there is no fear or worry at all!!! just straight dominance and aggression!!! weather it is the fault of the women who owns him or previous life experiences, you come to a point where there is no coming back from... it's sad but true and if no one is capable of handling the horse the safest and most humane thing is to but him down. if not the poor thing will be stuck living in a stall because everything is afraid to touch him.
Some of these comments are ridiculous. The owner could not handle this horse and sought help.
One reply - 6 years to walk around a mule?
There are far too many wanna be horse whisperers. Without really knowing anything.
No one likes to see this.
The normal person does not wait 6 years to walk in safety around a mule.
No malice.
Just be normal and stop playing My Little Pony.
hahahahahahaahaa I still don't understand why people have animals they can't control, take care of and really love, and I'm not talking about giving them "hugs and kisses", which is great and all but they are animals people omggg!!!!!!!! crazy ass lady
the guy proceeded too quickly, I think, I saw many horse whiperers trying to saddle a horse for the first time, and they proceeded much more slowly, no quick movements...
Nijinsky was bonkers but he also passed it down to offspring - one stallion I would have NEVER used. This horse is extremely violent and this was done by humans however Nijinsky was just damn evil.
This horse is not scared. It's dominant! It's being annoyed by the trainer, and finally it attacks him. And the trainer does nothing wrong, you shouldn't sneak and be too cautious around a horse, because that will make the horse uneasy and fearful instead of calm. The same goes for dogs. They feel your energy and look at your bodylanguage. That's my opinion, I see things differently in this video than most of you. And animals can have something wrong inside their brains, and if you don't know the horse and his story, then you can't rule that out. It happens.
This stud is no Nijinsky's Secret, who at least had a race record to warrant being kept as a stallion, albeit he didn't amount to much in the shed. There is nothing about this horse that needed to be reproduced and why he was kept intact is a mystery to me. He should have been gelded to start with.
DoubleDogDare54 . or et..
DoubleDogDare54 people thought the same about Sea Biscuits and Phar Laps bloodlines.
Needs put down!
@@angelalong5114 Phar Lap WAS a gelding, you ditz. And Sea Biscuit didn't amount to anything as a stallion but was used at stud while being laid up by an injury, returned to racing, then retired permanently to stud and never tried to kill anyone.
@@DoubleDogDare54 well well someone that can't read or comprehend so that would make you the ditz.
It's always people that cause the problems. It wasn't the horses fault.
It was beat prior to this ranch or this owner.
Jim Paull no it wasn't. it had oxygen deprivation at birth and was never socialized because the woman broke her back. he is a dangerous horse
Crazymeg1 It's never the horse's fault.
Crazymeg1 stallions in the wild can learn to be tame because of humans (sadly). So not all stallions are "crazy". I know someone who owned a stud that was as well behaved as a gelding. You're absolutely right. It's the human's fault.
Crazymeg1 maybe maybe not. I knew a filly that was a vicious nasty little bitch. She'd never been teased or anything. My friend owned her. She told me about her and my response was no not possible. Seeing was believing she was only 4 months old when I saw her. Just like any other animal something can go wrong in genetics
The horse isn't like this,the trainer made him this way
I love Buck brannaman so much but I feel so sad he couldn't help this horse!
That man has no business being around horses.
This guy wanted way to fast.
The horse wasn't ready
Horse gave me the man more warnings
Didn't listen
Bam gets bit
Horse could have easily killed him but didn't...
The horse isn't mean the horse isn't rude
This horse has been in the wrong hands.
Poor thing
+Marit i agree, its interesting the completely different views. he was out of his depth trying to handle this horse
+horseshoe182 Yeah :(
Yes agreed. I broke my own mustang and she was butt ass wild. she was on her way to long term care which means in six months she would have ended up in Mexico with the other BLM mustangs,People thought I was nuts but I knew she was a good girl it took me 9months to get on her back and I am glad I did it that way,I spent money last winter and I could have done a better job my self and I am not trained . I learned by my self with books and good advice from a correctional trainer.She said that the slow processe I am doing is the best way for my mustang and to keep it up, But those cowboys push them and get out comes like this.No bull shit Jhon Lyons certified crap Will ever make the trainer. If the trainer is full of it.She or he will be worthless with or with out the certificate. And she is a Super barn witch,CANT BELIEVE STUPID PEOPLE,oops sorry.
Patty Miller Patience is always great with horses.
l don't like barn witches either
Agree. So much pressure on that horse you could see the attack coming a mile off. He was actually very polite. Warning after warning but no he kept throwing that blanket at him. No surprises here.
That horse should not be put down. That lady on the other hand.... mabey.
Patricia Wrght yes I agree so much
Wow, he really called her on her sh*t (and she took it well). He should be a clinical psychologist.
He’s not dangerous. A horse is just beings a horse
This Horse is not dangerous !!! The man moves to fast and exert pressure on the stallion, he only trys to defend himself.
+Katrina Schildener id agree. im not a horse trainer, but ive watched plenty of things about horse behaivor, plus my dad training a few. The way to handle this issue, is a calm situation. for example. The first time in the small covered area the man just moved that stick in his face,spooking the horse. That was a wrong move, you can see the horse shows his eye whites half the time. He/she is scared to death! This guy has put nothing but FEAR in him, and to fix that is to have calm approaches. Not a fast approach. The man also trys to defend himself..his first action takes place, such as waving the stick, pulling on the rope, etc. I agree with your comment, completly! and i cant believe they even showed something so cruel(not proper) on tv. Now thats dumb. This show should have never aired, and it just goes to show that some people who have horses dont know how to handle them properly.
People need to go and watch the whole documentary borrow they make a judgement on what he was doing and from the owners background, one single clip of the horse attacking the man isn't enough for someone to make that judgement. Go and watch the documentary it's called "Buck"....
No, they really don't. If you think that's horsemanship, you don't now what you're talking about.
It wouldn't matter who was was working him that horse was dangerous it's cracks me up it's just like buck said he's as close to a predator as you'll see and I've some bad ones and there not all man made!
@@jamieword8206 The horse could probably be brought around. Buck is too busy to take on this project. If the owner did not have the money, she should have contacted a horse rescue. Most rescues know the good horsemen who take on a problem simply because it's heart-breaking to see a young handsome horse be put to death due to incompetent handling - brain damaged or not! I have hosted several unruly rescue horses myself and spent countless hours bringing them around. There is no profit in it. It's a matter of saving a good horse from the ruin brought upon it by a person.
This is a fine looking, intelligent, atheletic colt. I'm sorry if he were euthanized. It's sad that circumstances weren't different.
I have my own stallion and I gallop and jump on him and he perfect. They just treat that horse very poorly. 🐴🦄🐎
Tou must also defend pit bulls and claim it's the owner and the breed right?
@@aky19832001 Don't compare dogs and horses.
Not sure how waving and flapping a blanket and ropes were going to do anything but aggravate the horses aggression...to the horses point of view it was being attacked
Wow that horse had to pay for what she did. I hate when people get horses and teach them something bad and blame the horse...
This is not a fearful horse. It doesn’t matter how he got to this point, he is a danger. All these posters claiming they could change him are morons. I doubt there is enough money to get a Clinton Anderson in there. The man probably values his life. The horse is a danger and most of you boo-hooing about it wouldn’t go in there with him either. There are too many horses out there that aren’t looking to attack a person to get hurt by this one. Suppose you got this horse-what are you going to tell the parents of a child this horse kills? If you want to risk your own hide, that’s fine, but other people will be impacted as well. Just how much liability insurance do you think you would need-if you can get insurance knowing how the horse acts. Grow up, this is not an episode of my pet pony.
That horse was terrified and confused.Baby steps would have been better.Bad idea to pressure a horse that's THAT discombobulated.
Some years ago my stallion was nigh like this one. Now he is faithful and trusted friend. Only months and years of working, patience and love could help to reach a good result. But not dementia&courage, as we see on this video.
Wow, there sure is a lot expert trainers on this page. With all this expert advise all of the bad horses in the world should be taken care of. Most of you don't know squat about training and even less about horses in general. If you had watched to whole documentary you probably would never have made such asinine remarks, but then maybe you would.
Could you tell me the name of the documentary plz
Todd Flappiefish It’s just called “Buck”.
Yeah. Im hear telling you from experience, a stallion is nothing to play around with. We have a miniture horse stallion and hes gonna wake up a new man here soon. He is nothing like the gelding mustang I used to have. My mustang never reared or pawed or tried to bite me with evil in his eyes. That stallion does. I plan on further training after castration. However, I have some real nosey neighbors that drive by accusing me of abuse. This will be year 3 and no abuse found. Just some people who think our mini does no wrong. THAT is when people DO get hurt. Clint calls them 'tree huggers'. I call them type 2 animal activist. Fly off the handle on every little thing and call it abuse.
Having ridden for ten years, at multiple stables, including one where a colt was just starting to realize that he was bigger than the owner and had testosterone, AND bottle-fed, though he had a geriatric step-mom.
This horse did NOT have brain damage, he was a smart horse. He recognized the flags as a danger, he realized what happened when he would go after Buck and started to go after him after his back was turned and he wasn't focused on him.
What happens in three days clinics: You get the horse the first day, find it's small flaws, slap a saddle, a rider, and a bridle on the horse and work with them after they wear down (the round pen wears them down from constantly running). Then they repeat it for three days and say the horse is "cured" and "rideable". They do natural horsemanship, but not enough for a horse with REAL issues (this stallion) to be able to be a gentle rideable, calm horse.
Montie Roberts is probably the most honest in his old book: He admitted himself that his techniques didn't cure all horses. He had a stallion once that every single time they turned off the live wire around his stall, he'd climb over the stall door and attack people. Montie worked with that stallion, and in the end, even though he kept the stallion, that stallion died the same way he was when Montie met him. He even admitted it himself that he couldn't fix that stallion, and there are a few cases of that in his book.
Do I blame Montie for the fact that his story that horse was that incurable? No, the horse was a prize halter horse, and they probably kept him for stud and nothing else. I blame the people who screwed up that stallion to be that aggressive towards people. I don't blame Buck for the condition of that stallion when he arrived, I blame that woman who's an idiot with 19 stallions.
I DO blame Buck for rushing this horse through a three-day clinic. That horse had a lot of red flags and no signs of improvement throughout the whole day that he was there. Even after his "lesson", he was still as aggressive as he was when he went in the pen. He was still charging, he was still going after men, and when pushed hard in a rush clinic situation, after MANY warnings, mind you, fought back.
That stallion, even IF he was brain-damaged, would have made a good horse at some point. Not in a three-day clinic, but gelded, in a pasture (my riding instructor did the same thing with her colt) and learn what it means to be in a herd hierarchy. Mares, if stallions don't treat them right during mating, will kick that stallion in the ribs, most geldings, if they had that horse charging towards them, will fire off with both hind legs to tell him to stop. That would be a painful lesson for him, but it's better than throwing a rope around his hind legs, chasing him around in a round pen, and waving a flag at him for three days and expect him to be a gentleman on the other side.
Buck lost my respect with the fact that he never even admitted it because he would lose face doing so.
Thanks, I totally agree with you. You always get this on horse videos it seems.
Um....ya....even I know that whipping a horse doesn't help. The idea is to calm him, rather that terrorize him.
This reminds me of an Arabian mare down at the livery yard where I kept my horse. If you passed by her stable door she would reach out to take a lump out of you. She was aggressive to the point that you didn’t even need to be near her, she would cross the field to get at you. Her aggressiveness was specific to men, which tells you all you need to know about her past. I just let the girls deal with her and if she came at me when I was fetching my horse from 5he field I always has a rope halter to wave at her face, then keep my own horse between us on the way back.
Whipping him ain't gonna help!
Please God it was put down with dignity and understanding. Way too dangerous.
He's not dangerous, his owners made him dangerous. It is a monstrosity that they put him down. I could have done so much better with him than these cowboy retards that don't know shit about horses. I get this is a movie documentary whatever I don't care. But shit like this actually happens. I'm a stallion and warmblood breeder, and I've brought home so many stallions that were said to be to dangerous to be handled now there show horses, their handled every day. I could have this horse being respectful in a day and have him "trained" in no more than two weeks, guaranteed!!!
Lacy Napier I agree with you. He just runs up to this horse without gaining any trust with him at all and tries to throw things on his back. He doesn't know, ask he knew is that some random man was trying to harm him. You have to approach these horses differently instead of rushing into. Rome wasn't built in a night. I had an abused mule that was a lot like this stallion and after six years I finally got her to where you could trust her and be around her but still couldn't ride her, which was fine. But someone who does not know what they're doing and doesn't have a lot of time to devout to these animals, needs to reconsider stallions and untrained horses. He was a beautiful horse that was put down because he was doing what his instincts told him to.
So instead of gelding him and putting him out with a big herd of dominant, tough horses, she put him to sleep. Gave up right then and there instead of exhausting her options like a real horseman. Disgusting. Why is it that breeders tend to be the worst of the horse world? You'd think they'd have more sense, working with stallions and babies, but they're some of the biggest idiots out there.
They ruined him. So sad.
That is one beautiful horse. Too bad they want to put him down. They should have offered him to another professional who wants to take him.
definitelly agree !
So feed someone else with more balls than brains to him?
What's mostly upsetting about this whole clip is this woman actually asking people to come in and handle or try to work with this monster she's created. This horse was born brain damaged and displayed outburst of violence that was uncontrollable since that time. He got progressively worse. There she is crying when she should never endangered anyone's life with this piece of carp stud who learned to be a bully - shame on her and for the other bunch of studs she had - what a nutcase.
How about it wasn’t totally here fault in this situation the stallion was becoming fearful and wasn’t getting any relief from the pressure the idiot trainer was putting on to him and he felt the need to defend himself from a predator/challenger.
This wasn't brain damage, that was her excuse so she can play off her own failures. She just trained it, in Buck's words, to be predatory, and then couldn't deal with it once he weighed a few hundred pounds.
Rimfaxe96 buck used that excuse himself either to be polite or not lose face to how badly they handled the situation. Also to not rip a client to shreds in front of others who might have second thoughts. Money is the end all.
That guy is too busy trying to make himself look good and trying to push the stallion through that he forgot he cant rush nature. He wasn't watching the signs the stallion was giving him even from the beginning. Stallions are territorial. if you are a threat to him of course he is going to come at you. Horse speak body language. His rearing is his was of saying "fuck off".He attacked his because he went a step too far, he felt challenged so he moved forward to protect his position as herd leader.
Halleluja! Someone knows! Omg, *sends huge hug through comment.
+BlackMountain150 thank you, finally someone who knows something about stallions
horses in general. thanks to Monty and this channel. (Monty meaning the REAL Horse Whisperer. cant remember his last name)
samanddeanfan2009 Monty Roberts? I love that man. :)
yeah, him. i read his book and absolutely agree with his methods more than anoybody else. theres WAY more understanding in his training methods than anyone else's and I LOVE IT!
My MIL was kicked stupid by her stallion and then said it was a sign of affection. Yeah right. Some crazy horse people.
And look how successful Nijinskys Secrets racing and stud career was.
For all the "Think like a horse" followers, this horse actually was brain-damaged, and became aggressive from fighting other stallions, or being beaten up by other stallions, in its home pasture. It is not a "stupid human's" fault, some horses are just aggressive and are too broken to be fixed.
HP Horsemanship ‘Brain damaged’.......how do you know? No scars or bite marks from being ‘beaten up by other stallions’. You judge something you know little about.
Barbara Green We know it's brain damaged because it said so in the documentary... The horse was in a barn fire as a foal and wasn't breathing when they found him. He suffered brain damage due to oxygen deprivation. Sounds to me like you're the one judging things you know little about.
Not a horse problem it was caused by PEOPLE! The horse has problems that need to be dealt with but this clip was caused by the PERSON!
absolutely!
THANK YOU
So glad someone else sees that!!! This horse is not bad, just been taught bad lessons and needs work! By someone that knows what they are doing and not pushing him too hard too fast.
Yes that is true but NOT LIKE THAT, The horse has issues I said that before but the person was doing it the wrong way. VERY wrong
soaringtractor Idk what clip you are seeing but you aren't seeing what I am. And i'm done with this goodbye. You are very very blind to what he is doing and apparently also an abuser. Have fun with your life.
He worked with the horse too fast. It's never a horses fault, if a horse attacks someone, it's what the human did wrong.
Gotta luv those stupid humans who create this....then take them to a clinic and expect a miracle 🙏 I'm seriously sorry for that horse because with different humans he would have been just fine😉🙏❤️🐎🌎
People are always looking for someone to blame and make the bad guy. But I'm not seeing fear with this horse all I'm seeing is attitude. Which isn't to say people didn't help it along, but sometimes animals can just be aggressive.
phina510
You need to have some Rick Gore sense kicked into you!
phina510 there was fear of that blanket that turned into a defensive aggression.
I'm sorry, how would you like something thrown into your face and on your shoulders, and you have no idea what it is? That horse was scared. Just because a horse's ears are back, does not mean they're angry. It can also mean that they are scared. Horses are fight or flight animals, like humans and many other animals, so he was a fighter. He felt threatened, and attacked that moron because he was afraid. It's a shame they put him down rather than stop being lazy and actually try to fix this horse they ruined because he was a beautiful horse.
@@Lunaish03 It's usually best to take an unruly horse, put him in a grassy paddock, and let him be a horse. Let him get used to his new surroundings. Leave him be. Eventually, he will become lonely, then curious, and finally he will approach you. When he does, the war has already been won. There may be a few battles before it's over, but decades of experience have taught me that a truly crazy horse never makes the initial connection.
In my entire life, there was only 1 mare who was so sadly abused that she was deemed crazy. Despite a concerted effort by a very experienced horsewoman, it was finally determined that the mare would be humanely euthanized. I was away at the time, or I would have taken her home and given her one more chance. Few horses are truly insane, but there are some that can not be reached - they are "in the zone" and you simply have to wonder what happened to cause such psychosis.
The horse in this video is not psychotic.
Should be titled "Dangerous Trainer". Yep, I listen to Rick Gore. Doesn't get more common sense than that.
Rick Gore would have a clue in how to handle a horse like this. Buck doesn’t hit the horse but he certainly makes it respect him.
There are thousands of sweet, gentle horses heading out for slaughter each year. I certainly believe in owners working through problems with horses, but this is messed up way beyond that. Just because this stallion is a gorgeous palomino - how bout saving a sweet life from the kill buyers at an auction instead? How about valuing a sweet, gentle nature in a scrubby brown body over gold and flaxen on a messed up killer? Instead of risking lives, including ANY child that ever got close to this messed up stallion heaven forbid, give that attention and a home to one of those sweety pies headed for disaster. And every single person on here boasting about all your stallions and studs - 100 percent certainty some of your stallions and their progeny end up on a meatwagon. Stop your "backyard breeding" for god's sake, it's nothing to boast about. Save a thrown out racehorse or "family horse" or save a mustang from the BLM. Oh, and actually commit to keeping them their entire life so they don't end up in Canada or Mexico. Now there's something to boast about.
anyone who feels sorry for this horse is ridiculous. this is a dangerous stallion who has had no training. when stallions are left in trained and even some that are don't deserve their balls some can't handle them that's why most are cut because they are flat out dangerous. to say this man deserved this you people should be ashamed and need to re educate yourself on stallions and how dangerous they can be.
LAUREN GONZALEZ Not to mention this horse also had brain damage from oxygen deprivation and was raised an orphan, with no adult horses to teach him manners or how to behave. It’s exactly like Buck said, the human failed him in this case.
Being gelded is the only option.
Prime candidate for gelding if Ive ever seen it.
All stallions should be gelded if domesticated I think.
That horse is sooooo dangerous!!!!
I am not a horse-trainer, but I know you CAN keep large numbers of studs together in bachelor herds. I'd bet money that her keeping numerous studs is not the issue. They just need a bit of space to run and kick the crap out of each other and get their male-ness out. This guy has probably been denied that, so he's frustrated.
I don't think she has the money to geld all those stallions. The question I ask is why? She obviously has little horse experience so why? Why does she have 18 stallions? To me, she pasture breed and now she is attached to them and now she has no money to geld them. For a single person, there is no reason to even have 18 horses be it mares, geldings or stallions.
Yes, studs can run together but why does she have 18 of them that she has nothing to do with?
+Kaiser Frost This horse has been bottlefed since he was a foal. And he has been raised almost like a human without any boundries(sorry for my english). This horse has never got the chance to grow up learning how to be a horse. I also believe that there is something wrong in this horses head, if I remember the correct words from seeing the whole documentary about this horse. This is basicly not the horses fault, but since the horse is that dangerious, its more polite and best to put it to sleep - and they did.
+Charlotte-Victoria Dale wtf! put the horse to sleep? the guy in this video did everything WRONG yet you're blaming the horse. the horse was telling the trainer he was being pushed too hard and instead of the trainer slowing down, he ignored all the signs and the horse had to back him down.
+Charlotte-Victoria Dale Yes they did kill it.. Pieces of shit who raise horses like brutes and then kill them when they get out of control.
The owner did the right thing to put that horse down. He was exceptionally dangerous and he enjoyed it. I feel bad that he was mishandled to that point, but it was the right thing to do. He was destined to kill someone, possibly a child. I hope that woman got rid of at least 3/4 of those stallions she's got.
who else came here from Think Like A Horse?
mee
me XD
ThinkLikeAHorse doesn't know shit!
+Julia Richards thank you for your opinion
That is definitely not true. Rick Gore has a very well reflected opinion about ethical foundations of horse keeping. It is easier to do what all have done always before, even if it is wrong. The end does not justify the means and sport is a human concept, not a real animal interest or like. Rick Gore knows how to seduce horses to performance and not to force them to do what the rider believes to want. This video is an example of a communication problem. The horse is stopping the attack, when the trainer is on the ground. This horse may be aggressive and selfconfident, but it is not "dangerous".
I'd better say "dangerous people"
I'd heard this horse was brain damaged at birth and viciously aggressive - Buck had come out to try to help her. She's kept a big group of stallions and let this horse act like a maniac and learn he can be a bully and attack people. They were initially just trying to keep him from attacking them and after he did in the round pen just quit. He needs to be pts before he kills someone - I believe he was. He's not scared at all of them or abused - there's no "poor scared horsie" here. .just a scrub stud that's vicious. Buck's trained thousands gently and he just shook his head. I would also, shame on her.
alsosusieq2 Susan
Buck's one of my few living Heroes.
I love you Buck. I read your book. I tell everyone in your line of interest about you. Youre tops. I even wrote you a 4 Page typed fan letter once and never sent it.
3:19 that horse is not safe at all! his stupid owner made him this way.
Comments on here sure do get lively. Lotta passion out there on UA-cam!!
ya its fun reading them all
I'm seeing a lot of opinions based on little knowledge and little fact. The stallion had become a predator because of its owner's actions, that much is true. This video is a clip from the documentary "Buck", based on the life of Buck Branneman. To get a better understanding of the circumstances that led to the stallion's behaviors, you would need to watch the movie. I was able to find more information about the stallion's behavior that didn't make it into the movie (it was disturbing and much to inappropriate) just by searching the web. The decision to destroy the stallion was not made lightly - due to human safety concerns and safety and quality of life for the horse, there was no other option.
***** yup but that was defiantly an excuse to so call 'make better' her badly mannered and trained horse. Stuck my ass... this horse just was tough bad lessons and now it has paid for something humans created... I still do not agree with how things turned out. The behavior seen here and in the documentary had nothing to do with a foal being oxygen deprived. It was simple bad manors and bad lessons, and well i agree on this one that it should have been gelded a long time go. All those things added up created this monster, a man made monster.
The horse isn't doing anything wrong.. flight or fight.. he is choosing fight obviously... the owner needs to give up owning horses and see a psychologist..
watch the documentary Buck today. this horse is dangerous. Was oxygen deprived at birth and hasn't been socialized. Equals danger.
Your daughter has rehabbed brain damaged, bottle fed foals? Sure she has. This horse was long beyond help and was extremely dangerous. You simply cannot rehab a horse out of a lack of social structure and boundaries as a foal.
I wonder if the people leaving many of those comments had the audio turned up so they could hear what was being said. the cowboy that got bit had already ridden the horse. that's when the comment was made that the safest place around this horse is on him. also Buck waves the whip at the horse only when the horse makes a gesture to come after him. I think bucks comments that the horse has become a predator are accurate. I think he points out the shortcomings of the horses environment with the woman adequately. it's a sad situation and I think Buck sums it up pretty clearly.
Kill it n let's have a nice bbq :)
NO!
Shut the fuck up you better not comment something like this again. Dam it people would you like to be boxed up in the stall, where you can't stretch you're legs, or playing open space. How would you feel if a so called cowboy threw a blanket over your back and you didn't know what to do because you weren't trained one bit. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
This video is a clip from the documentary about Buck Brannaman , from the documentary movie "Buck".... excellent documentary film, and make sure you watch the "extras", which are really really good. This is one film that I've watched several times....
He's not trying to train the stallion he's just in the pen with him and when he comes at him he drives him back. He's trying to convince the lady she's making a mistake keeping 18 stallions together and she needs to make some decisions about this. He needs to be gelded asap and worked with. Buck was just trying to tell her you've turned him into a prey animal by allowing him to be in this environment and behave this way. He's seriously no joke attacking people and as Buck says in all my years and so on about his behavior. I've seen it before once and it shocked me when that horse attacked but usually it's because the owners got afraid..not abusive.. afraid. Horse's aren't stupid and some will take advantage. This stud is outer limits
He is dangerous but this was a people problem. "Trainer" right. Go watch Think Like A Horse channel and watch his take on this video.
This isn't a horse problem it's a people problem. The horse has issues but this clip was not one of them
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
what you don't see is the whole thing - everything. I know 99 percent it's a people problem but not here. I feel bad for anyone messing with him as his back story is he's brain damaged. idk why he was kept personally as he's gotten progressively worse.
While in nature stallions run in herds......there is a pecking order....or chaos.
My trainer had a few stallions together sometimes but they minded her and each other!
She was herd leaders in their eyes and when a sudden forest fire almost hit her home she put all her horses....geldings, mares, and stallions loose in a huge dirt pen to keep them safe all the horses minded their manners.....even the stallions!
They all behaved and no foals were conceived either!
Put him down? that gorgeous thing!? . I'd say you just gotta be patient and know what to do. wtf is he trying to achieve with the fucking blanket anyway?
You can't just tame a horse like that!!! It doesn't work that way!!
This would be an amazing horse if she hadn't ruined him. First she shouldn't of kept him as a stud, let the behaviour get this bad, actually have some horse knowledge! I bet someone could've worked with him and he'd change. Poor guy.
I totally agree, earlier in the video the horse was calm and and was just standing there. It was probably 6 ft from him. Then he decides to chase it away when moves an inch. they should've gelded it if it was that much trouble. The lady seems too scared to even try to deal with it anyway😑
+Alina Reybey Oh, and he is such a beauty! I've seen this documentary a few times and I forget whether she ever tries to explain WHY she has 18(!?!) stallions.
All you would have to do is turn him out for about two or three months and let him collect his thoughts and start all over and he would be just fine. I've seen this same thing before, he is NOT a bad horse he has just had some IDIOT trainers. Semper Fi.
She has that many because she is STUPID! If they are not GOOD breeding stock they all need gelded. That is the trouble with all horses and dogs, people just breed them for money when over 3/4 are not of breeding stock. GREED makes bad horses and dogs. Semper Fi.
She sent that man on a suicide mission after being told that horse is dangerous...Smh
That man is one lucky guy, that horse could have done some serious damage.
My stallion started off rough like this guy, but after some patience and firm training, he's now a puppy dog. There was no need to give up on this guy. He was a clever horse...the oxygen deprivation was a lame excuse.
If you watch carefully in slow motion, the horse bights at the brim of the hat, and tries to stomp the blanket..he was afraid of what he didn't recognize, not the human, the horse looked so afraid and bewildered afterwards, I felt so so bad for him..they are so innocent when we don't speak their language, we need to take more time to work and talk to them with body language, rather than gear..lessons we all learn..:)
ITS NOT THE HORSES FALT HE WAS TOUGHT THAT AND NOW LOOK WHERE HES AT
Who messed that horse up in the first place? He was not born with the knowledge that people are weak and fragile and can easily be bullied around!
+petrairene This is what happens when you treat a potentially 1,200 lb animal like a puppy dog. She tried to compensate for the fact that he was an orphan and he had some degree of oxygen deprivation. First mistake.
In Portugal I had an ex bullfighting stallion kept at a stable with at least 15 other stallions. Only time there was a problem was if a mare in season got close. That man knows bat shit about horses, but obviously neither does that girl.
Sorry but that was kinda deserved? You can’t try to throw a saddle on him before ground work, that’s just ridiculous. The horse obviously felt threaten by it and protected himself.
If "horse trainers" are running out of phantasy, ideas, methods, patience, courage, understanding, and goodness they declare horses to be candidates for euthanization. That is the final method to avoid the risk to let someone else do a better job. Being afraid of competition is not mature and it is not manly. The tragedy of this poor horse was having stupid owners and trainers. The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.
Bertrand Russell
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AGREE STUPID TRAINERS CAUSE
Just like my Grandfather used to say that was discharged from the Cavalry in Arizona Territory in 1902, which died in 1970 at 94, he said with animals you have to expect anything from any direction at anytime, but he said that there is a wrench that will fit EVERY nut you deal with, all you have to do is find that wrench. And wet saddle blankets make good horses. I'm sure he forgot more about horses than I'll ever know, but I keep finding those wrenches so far. At 68 I can't stand too many more broken bones. But a good horse is still a pleasure to ride. Semper Fi.
I'm not a trainer at all....but for the horse sake, they made the right choice. (Horse was put down)
From some comments I've read, a lot of you have absolutely no sense. This horse is extremely dangerous. Gelding this horse would make no difference at this point. The woman made some mistakes with him but I honestly believe she did everything with good intentions. This horse was not abused, the complete opposite. This is what happens sometimes when you raise a horse like you would a dog. I've seen mares and geldings be this aggressive. The man did not deserve to me attacked. He was trying to help the horse. Some of you shouldn't comment on something that you have no fucking idea about.
Agreed.
+Chris Johnson Agreed! I don't know why, but am almost at the point of wanting UA-cam to ban all vids containing horses and people together for the simple reason that there will always be, without a doubt, a negative remark calling the person (and sometimes even the animal) in some way or form and idiot! It doesn't matter what they are doing in the vid! Yes, the woman must of contributed towards this horse's behaviour now, which is very sad whether it was intentional or not (I'm not gonna say anything since I don't know the whole story), but calling the man, who's actually trying to save this horse from being put down, an idiot among various other things is really uncalled for! It may be a hopeless case, but he's TRYING! He's NOT an idiot! He's not just sucking these methods out of his thumb! He's also a human, and humans make mistakes, which is why he got attacked. And NO, he did NOT deserve to be attacked! These things just happen, injuries are to be expected in this line of work etc.
+Drag0n Mistr3ss sure bigger control always worked out it's called freedom of speech although most people don't know a damn thing about horses quite a few of us do
+Chris Johnson It was still stupid to go into a roundpen armed with a sack. Sacking out?? at that stage with that horse? Ridiculous. He needed a big lunge whip to give himself some space.
janemiranda FITCH Absolutely! He definitely should have had a lunge whip with him! At least it would have been long enough that he would not have to be that close to him. Also this horse is the way he is because he has no respect for people. Although I don't blame the horse, this horse needs something like the crack of a whip or a crack on his ass to intimidate (or at least try) him!! He's got to have a very firm but yet gentle hand if he's to ever get any better. If it had been me working with him I would have first worked him down really good before trying to do anything else with him. I know getting him tired wouldn't fix anything, but in my opinion I do believe he would not have been quite so eager to run someone down.
wow, that's playing with fire.
Does anyone else wanna see Rick Gore rant about this????? 😂😂 @thinklikeahorse
YES
He did
Which. Video? ?
+Carol Van Pala you can just search up buck movie Rick Gore. Its title is like buck movie stupid woman kills horse
obviously you've never been bit and stomped by a horse this horse is totally and completely out of control but you know what this man this working with him will bring out the gentle side of him and then you'll see a stallion that is acting the way he should gentle and kind and it is the way they're raised and I have raised many horses and all of them have manners and respect for the ground we walk on
Dangerous horse? More like dangerous human.
The horse was giving him many options to stop but the man kept on going, that's why he got bit.
He could easily have killed him if he wanted too.
But he didn't
Because horses just don't work that way.
This horse isn't dangerous the human who caused the horse to be like this is the reason why he's ''supposedly'' dangerous.
Poor horse..
when a horse acts aggressive and you back off, you're actually reinforcing the aggressive behavior. that horse needed to learn that he's not the head honcho anymore.
+17Fidelis75 Exactly.
Shelby Willis Before you tell us we are all dumb asses,
I said the right thing to do
I've handled many horses including studs, hot bloods and many more l have a young horse myself.
You gotta know how to read their body language
This horse was obviously extremely nervous and clearly did not want to be saddled the guy was trying to get a pad on the horses back he tried multiple times horse was telling him no he didn't listen
Some people just don't know how to handle horses.
If you keep on give pressure without giving release the horse will try to find a way out even if it involves that the human can get hurt.
17Fidelis75 When a horse shows aggressive behavior
99% it's your fault.
It's never the horses fault.
Plus, the horse was obviously extremely nervous the guy was keep on trying to put that saddle pad on
The stallion was uncomfortable and scared and trying to tell the guy
Stop!
But the guy was keep on going if he would have stopped trying to put the saddle pad on and try to lead him without anything else than he would've been fine.
This stallion just needed ground work done
This horse turned like this by humans
Showing leadership is not keep on trying to put a saddle pad on
Leadership is showing in a good way that you are the higher horse, this guy was only giving pressure and pressure he wasn't leading he was making this horse nervous
I have handled horses like this, if l would've handled this stud l would've worked on ground manners before even thinking about trying to saddle that wasn't necessary
Horses are like a mirror
They react to your personalty, to your attitude
They are a reflection of you
And people who know and understand a horse with body language knew that this was too fast and that this guy shouldn't have tried to keep on put a saddle pad on he was too fast and he should've listened to the horse.
The horse easily could've killed him if wanting too
But didn't
Because the horse was giving him several warnings but the guy didn't listen when the horse told him to stop.
That's why this happened
not saying it's the horse's fault, his owner is the reason he is like that, and the first thing that horse needs to be taught is respect, the way you earn a horse's respect is by moving his feet. I can tell you right now that horse wasn't scared, he was taught his whole life that when he acts aggressively people will leave him alone. if that horse were scared he would
have ran from the man applying pressure not outright attack him
The trainer is 100% correct. This woman is nuts.
"we're going to have to put him down" WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
Leeanna Spellman It’s sad, but seriously the best thing for the horse in this situation considering it had brain damage and had gotten this dangerous. Maybe if someone else had gelded him and raised him, things would have turned out differently. But the safest and most humane thing in this situation was probably to euthanize him,
Hrs reacting to YOUR body
The reason the horse is so dangerous is because it thinks your waving a giant stick at it
You obviously know nothing (I mean zero) about horses.
That is not even accurate... This horse was not only deprived of oxygen after birth. He was coddled, not properly trained, and not allowed to be with other horses.
he's dangerous because you scared him and you must did somthing wrong
I believe this horse might be nervous and frightened, but it's not from the blanket thing. This horse is also being VERY disrespectful. When a horse is bobbing their head, rearing and in the beginning how he ran to the fence to try and bite someone when no one was in there, that's called disrespect. I've seen disrespectful horses before and that's how they act. They will bite, rear, kick, etc or do whatever possible to make sure they're moving your feet. That's what this horse was doing. You can't baby your horse. That's NOT what they do in the wild. But this trainer did it all wrong. He should of went to the basics of ground work of moving the horse's feet through round penning or lunging. Something else other than desensitizing.