Thanks for the review. I, too, am very annoyed on the lack of the 10Gbe on the i7/i9 models without having to spend more $$$, and, and, use up a precious slot. I was looking to upgrade just because I' would've liked to have the latest version of the TVS-87x-i7 model and am sure I'm not alone on this, but QNAP's sales dept just gets in their own way out of greed, in my humble opinion. PS: Im a current owner of the QNAP TVS-872X-i7 with 32GB RAM.
I bought the TVS-h1688x 18 months ago to replace an aging Dell Poweredge server in my homelab. So far its worked well but the 12th gen architecture of these new machines are interesting.
Happy 2023 to everybody and NASCompares! It is quite an expensive platform IMHO, and indeed too bad that only the i9 version comes with 10GBe. Poor choice and keeps me using the older platforms. (and consider upgrading the CPU for our i5 versions..) What I do feel QNAP really missed on this model is the accomodation of SSD's (without loosing an HDD slot). As QuTS Hero really needs the OS & Apps on an SSD, and the M.2's for caching. BTW, I would recommend ZFS over EXT4 in 2023, if I'm honest. There is a wee bit steep learning-curve for QuTS Hero but it is worth it. And, for me, very important, is the support and Support from QNAP, which is quite good actually. And talking about confusion, I do not know if you have ever noticed but in 2021 & 2022 some of the released QNAP hardware the later releases are sometimes "missing" hardware. Look, for example, for audio-output & speaker just to name an example. I know as we bought the early versions, with audio, and later purchases of the same model came without audio! And yes, the whole debacle about QVR Pro & Elite is irritating, as if QNAP Marketing is trying to make-up for some of their mistakes/choices?
@@alexsarbu3978 True, but just making that differentiation for an already quite expensive (i3, i5) NAS is a wee bit ridiculous IMHO. Looking at the TVS872XT (i3, i5 and i7 releases) it always came with 10GBe (too), on the motherboard. And I got the intell that QNAP sees the TVS-h874 as the replacement for the TVS872-series. At minimum, QNAP should have included the QNAP QXG-10G1T 1x port 10GBe card (around a 100 euros end-user, probably 40 to 60 euros for QNAP themselves) for the i3 and i5 models of the TVS-h874. Because, let's be honest for a moment, only 2.5Gbe (not even 5Gbe) on the TVS-h874 is not really that revolutionary nowadays, 10GBe networking is a sanity-choice for the average user when the cabling/infrastructure can handle it. Even the lowest-spec TVS-h874 can saturate a 10GBe connection. I do believe that QNAP's choice to only include 2.5GBe (and thus not also 5GBe, let alone 10GBe) in the more recent families of QNAP's (except where they do include a PCIe 10GBe card) is a choice of a chip-set on the motherboard that easely could have accommodated a chipset that does support (at minimum) 1x 10GBe port. The QNAP's hardware would be and revolutionary and evolutionary. At the moment the newer QNAP's appear to me to sometimes take a step back in that arena, if I compare them to the older models. But that is of course my opinion.
Great review which convinced me to buy the 874 i5 to use as a Plex server. Do you have a video explaining how to turn this on via WOW and without having to buy a QWU-100? Thanks..
I cannot find one available currently anywhere including QNAP Direct. But when they are, I will definitely buy an 8 bay and it will be my 10 year NAS ( hopefully). I currently have 2 x 4 bay NAS's. The problem being that if I need more space on my Raid 5 setups is, I have to remove perfectly good drives and replace them with a a new set of larger drives. With an 8 bay, I can just add more drives. And the CPU horsepower + RAM on this model means I never have to worry about any aspirations I have being limited, within reason. Sure it may appear to be expensive on the sticker but on a per year basis, it really isn't.
Please be aware, with QuTS Hero (actually it's the ZFS which doesn't allow this) you cannot expand a RAIDZ vdev. That is, you cannot add disks to a RAID (the OpenZFS folks are working to implement this exact feature).
@@alexsarbu3978 Fortunately, I plan to switch to QTS and then install the drives from my TS-453A. But thanks for the warning as it would have been a deal killer for me.
I need something like this. My old Synology I use for Plex needs replacing. BUT ill wait until they add Meteor lake hat has 8/10bit AV1 Encode/Decode. Yes Yes I know content is limited but I keep these things so long if I spend all this cash for a new NAS like this I def want AV1 support for future proofing. And yes I know I can add a extra GPU that does have AV1 support but would rather wait for it to be on chip.
Do your test include mounting a drive on your ram and set the transcode to occur there as opposed to your SSDs. Would love to know if that makes any difference
If you Google my Plex test on this box (not the 8K tests), it shows me running about 7-8 very high end 4K files (120-400Mbs HEVC at once). Basically, this will play practically anything
Amazing review! I wonder if this could handle editing 4k videos REMOTELY. Like having all the footage content in this NAS at the studio, but edit on a cheap laptop on my home. thanks!
I have been looking for that information without any success. Where did you get the prices? Do you have any information about the availability of the i7 and i9? It's very difficult to find. Thanks in advance
This sounds great but I don't want to pay $2100+ for it. That's for the i5 version BTW. I feel like I could build my own PC with the same specs for cheaper unless the software is worth the premium.
I don't think anyone is happy with that type of price tag unless they are in the direct target market for such a device. That said, when you consider the cost of a PC based NAS (with say TrueNAS) from the perspective of a physical space, energy and/or personal time cost such NAS devices can in fact be highly attractive and very "cost effective". Ultimately it comes down to what's important to you as PCs aren't designed to be "headless" so there are a lot of things a NAS owner doesn't need to worry about/allow for where a PC-NAS owner does. Value can be measured in a lot of ways.
@@IntoxicatedVortex Ditto that. And to build a PC based NAS, you have to put the value of your own time at $0.00 per hour for both the parts accumulation, build time, and hours and hours of setup and learning.
this is a lie synology does not just allow their cloud services they also support dropbox Microsoft one drive office 365 backup for business cloud sync from synology supports amazon as well if you use the s3 as well
I think yours understood me in the video. I'm referring to 'Hybrid Share' services Vs Hybrid Mount - on that service, Synology only currently supports their C2 platform
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Well done Robbie! Just waiting for your benchmark testing of the unit.
Thanks for the review.
I, too, am very annoyed on the lack of the 10Gbe on the i7/i9 models without having to spend more $$$, and, and, use up a precious slot. I was looking to upgrade just because I' would've liked to have the latest version of the TVS-87x-i7 model and am sure I'm not alone on this, but QNAP's sales dept just gets in their own way out of greed, in my humble opinion.
PS: Im a current owner of the QNAP TVS-872X-i7 with 32GB RAM.
I bought the TVS-h1688x 18 months ago to replace an aging Dell Poweredge server in my homelab. So far its worked well but the 12th gen architecture of these new machines are interesting.
Happy 2023 to everybody and NASCompares!
It is quite an expensive platform IMHO, and indeed too bad that only the i9 version comes with 10GBe.
Poor choice and keeps me using the older platforms. (and consider upgrading the CPU for our i5 versions..)
What I do feel QNAP really missed on this model is the accomodation of SSD's (without loosing an HDD slot).
As QuTS Hero really needs the OS & Apps on an SSD, and the M.2's for caching.
BTW, I would recommend ZFS over EXT4 in 2023, if I'm honest. There is a wee bit steep learning-curve for QuTS Hero but it is worth it.
And, for me, very important, is the support and Support from QNAP, which is quite good actually.
And talking about confusion, I do not know if you have ever noticed but in 2021 & 2022 some of the released QNAP hardware the later releases are sometimes "missing" hardware. Look, for example, for audio-output & speaker just to name an example.
I know as we bought the early versions, with audio, and later purchases of the same model came without audio!
And yes, the whole debacle about QVR Pro & Elite is irritating, as if QNAP Marketing is trying to make-up for some of their mistakes/choices?
About only the i9 having 10GbE... that's just a PCIE adapter (presumably QNAP), which you could buy for any other model.
@@alexsarbu3978 True, but just making that differentiation for an already quite expensive (i3, i5) NAS is a wee bit ridiculous IMHO.
Looking at the TVS872XT (i3, i5 and i7 releases) it always came with 10GBe (too), on the motherboard.
And I got the intell that QNAP sees the TVS-h874 as the replacement for the TVS872-series.
At minimum, QNAP should have included the QNAP QXG-10G1T 1x port 10GBe card (around a 100 euros end-user, probably 40 to 60 euros for QNAP themselves) for the i3 and i5 models of the TVS-h874.
Because, let's be honest for a moment, only 2.5Gbe (not even 5Gbe) on the TVS-h874 is not really that revolutionary nowadays, 10GBe networking is a sanity-choice for the average user when the cabling/infrastructure can handle it. Even the lowest-spec TVS-h874 can saturate a 10GBe connection.
I do believe that QNAP's choice to only include 2.5GBe (and thus not also 5GBe, let alone 10GBe) in the more recent families of QNAP's (except where they do include a PCIe 10GBe card) is a choice of a chip-set on the motherboard that easely could have accommodated a chipset that does support (at minimum) 1x 10GBe port. The QNAP's hardware would be and revolutionary and evolutionary.
At the moment the newer QNAP's appear to me to sometimes take a step back in that arena, if I compare them to the older models.
But that is of course my opinion.
Great review which convinced me to buy the 874 i5 to use as a Plex server. Do you have a video explaining how to turn this on via WOW and without having to buy a QWU-100? Thanks..
I cannot find one available currently anywhere including QNAP Direct. But when they are, I will definitely buy an 8 bay and it will be my 10 year NAS ( hopefully). I currently have 2 x 4 bay NAS's. The problem being that if I need more space on my Raid 5 setups is, I have to remove perfectly good drives and replace them with a a new set of larger drives. With an 8 bay, I can just add more drives. And the CPU horsepower + RAM on this model means I never have to worry about any aspirations I have being limited, within reason. Sure it may appear to be expensive on the sticker but on a per year basis, it really isn't.
Please be aware, with QuTS Hero (actually it's the ZFS which doesn't allow this) you cannot expand a RAIDZ vdev. That is, you cannot add disks to a RAID (the OpenZFS folks are working to implement this exact feature).
@@alexsarbu3978 Fortunately, I plan to switch to QTS and then install the drives from my TS-453A. But thanks for the warning as it would have been a deal killer for me.
This will be my goal multimedia NAS! 🥺
Which is better this 12th gen I5 or the other 'h" models with the Zeon? You should do a review of the differences
I need something like this. My old Synology I use for Plex needs replacing. BUT ill wait until they add Meteor lake hat has 8/10bit AV1 Encode/Decode. Yes Yes I know content is limited but I keep these things so long if I spend all this cash for a new NAS like this I def want AV1 support for future proofing. And yes I know I can add a extra GPU that does have AV1 support but would rather wait for it to be on chip.
I'm still waiting for an Arrow or Meteor Lake version. Maybe this January?
Do your test include mounting a drive on your ram and set the transcode to occur there as opposed to your SSDs. Would love to know if that makes any difference
how many 4k streaming can this do at once? one, two or three? I need to use 3-4 TVs at home.
If you Google my Plex test on this box (not the 8K tests), it shows me running about 7-8 very high end 4K files (120-400Mbs HEVC at once). Basically, this will play practically anything
@@nascompares Thank you so much for your time and effort.
@@nascompares how many 4k streaming can the ASUSTOR Flashstor NAS do at once? if the ASUSTOR Flashstor NAS can do two 4k I will buy that one.
What is the recommended 10GBE NIC upgrade to add to the TVS-H874 or TVS-H674?
Could we change all the rear fans with Noctuas?
Yes.
Is there a Synology NAS that is a competitor? Higher end or lower?
Amazing review! I wonder if this could handle editing 4k videos REMOTELY. Like having all the footage content in this NAS at the studio, but edit on a cheap laptop on my home. thanks!
ZFS and no ECC support? Should that even be a thing? Does QNAP have something in these units to make up for no ECC?
I know ddr5 non-ecc still has on-die ecc.
@@gammafilternot good enough
TVS-h874 NAS vs TVS-h1688Xm which is the better NAS?
Thanks!
Thank you for the generous donation man...also...solid 10/10 name you have there! Have a bloody fantastic 2023 mate!
I was told that the i7 Version is $2499 and i9 is $2999. Agree with others that this is expensive.
I have been looking for that information without any success. Where did you get the prices? Do you have any information about the availability of the i7 and i9?
It's very difficult to find.
Thanks in advance
@@osoriony I got the prices from Qnap Sales. I was told the i7 / i9 would be available towards the end of January. Hope it helps.
@@dougrohde3598 Thank you very much Doug. I appreciate. Hopefully it comes soon
@@osoriony Sure thing!
@@osoriony Sorry Juan, I got the price wrong. Qnap corrected me. The I9 version is going to be $3199. Sorry everyone.
I got destroyed by the dead bolt ransomware :(
Cool
This sounds great but I don't want to pay $2100+ for it. That's for the i5 version BTW. I feel like I could build my own PC with the same specs for cheaper unless the software is worth the premium.
I don't think anyone is happy with that type of price tag unless they are in the direct target market for such a device. That said, when you consider the cost of a PC based NAS (with say TrueNAS) from the perspective of a physical space, energy and/or personal time cost such NAS devices can in fact be highly attractive and very "cost effective". Ultimately it comes down to what's important to you as PCs aren't designed to be "headless" so there are a lot of things a NAS owner doesn't need to worry about/allow for where a PC-NAS owner does. Value can be measured in a lot of ways.
@@IntoxicatedVortex Ditto that. And to build a PC based NAS, you have to put the value of your own time at $0.00 per hour for both the parts accumulation, build time, and hours and hours of setup and learning.
this is a lie synology does not just allow their cloud services they also support dropbox Microsoft one drive office 365 backup for business cloud sync from synology supports amazon as well if you use the s3 as well
I think yours understood me in the video. I'm referring to 'Hybrid Share' services Vs Hybrid Mount - on that service, Synology only currently supports their C2 platform
The price for this on Amazon Canada is $19340.25. Thanks for nothing Trudeau.