CORRECTION CORNER: OK, obviously the tyres should be pulled the opposite direction! Sorry about that. Tarmac pulls the tyre in the direction the car is turning. Forgive my lapse.
Ok, can someone explain to me(or give a timestamp of) what is the mistake referred here? I thought there was no mistake at 3:05 - the car turns right, the tarmac resists, no?
I was always thinking that beacuse of banking the stress on the tires is actually lower, because of the weight of the car pointing towards the center of the corner. Isn't it? I'd say that the down force was higher on that corner (added aerodynamic down force and centric force % due to the bank angle), this could increase pressure in the tyre, but idk if that could cause such problems. And keep up good work, I love your videos!
I just want to say that I find it hilarious that this is essentially what happened FIA: "if you want to make your own event, fine, we just won't be involved Teams: "Sure" FIA: "Wait no"
Mosley is such a loser. These are multi-million dollar/pound/euro teams who are throwing away money on a race that went from non-points scoring to non-championship to not even sanctioned by the FIA. They were being true racers and tried to give the U.S. a show, no matter what the cost. I applaud Stuart for being such a delightfully polite person to not rag the FIA, but it was the FIA's fault that this didn't go well. 1) They put rules in place that prevented tire changes mid-race. 2) They didn't allow Michelin to just call up the Jordan F1 Team or something and say "hey guys, we need to collect some juicy data. Meet us at Speedway, Indiana so we can do this. Bring some 2 year old cars too". They left Michelin no opening to fix the issue before it appeared. 3) They shot down every reasonable idea and suggested some that were so mind-boggling-ly stupid that a 3rd grader would cringe. Slowing down in front of F1 cars going full speed? *Seriously?* 4) When the teams, likely prepared to take the heat in a worst case scenario, tried their best to do SOMETHING, *ANYTHING* for the fans to get what they paid for, the FIA decided to put an end to their valiant efforts by throwing double-birds to *the entire U.S. auto racing scene* by threatening events that had nothing to do with this whole debacle. And years later, the FIA still treat racers and race fans like dog s**t. What a surprise....
@@gianniaurilio8163 It was absurd, especially because one of the Bridgestone teams was Ferrari, and the other two (Jordan & Minardi) were no match for them. Ferrari lapped Jordan, which themselfs lapped Minardi.
That stupid 2005 rule of only using 1 set of tyres for both qualifying AND the race was so obviously put there to stop Schumacher and Ferrari from winning an 8th title.
I like alonso too but that rule was specifically implemented because they didnt want schumi to dominate. The company that sanctioned that rule was non other than Michelin
I have to agree. I guess Shumi and Ferrari were dominating the F1 too much at the time that there didn't seem to much of a challenge anymore. Thats probably why they did it. Still a stupid idea though
Matthew Panini Would make for some nice stories indeed. Although I think he should stick to ones with a sound factual basis, just like this one, and refrain from speculations or using a lot of hearsay in these 'documentaries'. This would mean not all of these track related stories would be suitable.
Matthew Panini are you that guy who used to leave nasty comments on videos in F1's channel? Haven't see you in a while, hope you're a bit less of a twat now
On behalf of all the viewers of your channel, we would like to thank you for making understanding technical aspects of F1 easier for us all. You genuinely helped us understand the sport in a more in-depth way, hence being as good as it gets.
Yes I legitly got back into F1 after coming across his videos. Watched F1 since I was a kid but mostly it was just a casual me and my dad kinda affair. I'm in love with the sport again, even if some of the weekends are boring. The talk and discussions rarely are, not to mention technical videos. Thank you Chain Bear, you gave me back F1.
It's funny that Michelin conceded that their tires would have blown up in less than 20% of the racing distance - after all it was them who wanted ban on changing tires during the race with the sole purpose to curb Bridgestone's (and in particular Ferrari's) advantage during short stints. In the 2004 French GP, Michael Schumacher stoped in the pits 4(!) times and won with Renault, Williams and McLaren obviously struggling to catch him up. The "Kryptonite" they've used to stop Ferrari however turned on them on that faithful weekend in June 2005.
As a person who didn't join F1 until last year, I was not entirely sure as to why this weird event happened in 2005. I heard it had something to do with tires just as you said in this video, but nothing more. I didn't even know a number of teams tried to find solutions (in which I find it very interesting) to this tire problem but weren't successful. Thank you for explaining this to us, especially to those new to the sport. ☺
Recnamoruen not unsuccessful just didn’t know us used tire as tire is a completely different meaning in the uk and how does not knowing one difference between the American language (which really seems to be created for people who are lazy) and the English language
I watched this race, and back then I was 9 and a devoted Schumi-Ferrari fanboy. The first time I couldn't even savor the feeling of satisfactory even though your beloved team and driver won the race. Monteiro's champagne spraying was a different story, though (it was hilarious).
Well he was an OK driver in a shit car. Hey knew he would never get the chance to score points again. And in all fairness he could only race with his teamate and the minardis. So he wan his race...
@@dislexyc that happened because if i remember correctly Minardi had talked to Jordan about them not running either, and had been assured. but when Jordan didn't pull off, they had to keep their cars out there.
@@Nxtl68 Imagine if Minardi and Jordan pulled out, and Barrichello crashed into Schumacher, it would have been a race with all DNFs. More seriously, Monteiro managed to get more podiums than Hulkenberg despite having less opportunities.
There's an extra kinda interesting side story in all of this, regarding the Bridgestone teams and the fact that they did all actually race. Ferrari very much come across as the bad guys, insisting on racing regardless, as it had been a bad year for them and they needed every points advantage they could get. But both Minardi and, mainly, Jordan considered not racing. (I'm not 100% why, I think it would have effectively been a show of solidarity amongst teams against the FIA who refused the chicane idea). Things got really close to the start of the race, with Jordan only staying out on the formation lap to line up on the grid at the last second, as they could not afford to lose so many points to Minardi, as neither team was likely to score points at any other race, and both needed the constructors championship prize money. There's a really interesting interview with Eddie Jordan about this somewhere.
9 teams agreed to withdraw - this includes both Jordan and Minardi teams. But Colin Koles, the head honcho of Jordan Grand Prix (Eddie was no longer calling the shots after he sold the team to Alexander Schneider and Midland Group), decided to start, throwing a wrench in Paul Stoddart's plans to not race no matter what. Given his previous agenda with Mosley, chief amongst them not allowing the team to race with 2004-spec car, Stoddart had no choice, but to also appear on the start, but he said that one Minardi will be withdrawn for every retired Jordan. Paul Stoddart was clearly miffed and there's an interview with him (you can find it on UA-cam) where he vents his entire frustrations and even saying that "this is not a race, it's a farce" and that he'd rather see his team score 0 points than capitalize on 14 cars less grid, but because Jordan appeared on the grid, Minardi were "forced" to do so as well
ivaneurope I knew it was something like that, probably should have looked into it a bit before posting my comment. Thanks for correcting my mistakes! :)
@@ivaneurope But this begs the question... If both Minardi and Jordan didn't appear on the grid and Ferrari were the only starters, who would have got the last spot on the podium? Trulli? I mean he got pole so it would make sense.
@BWOAH None of the Michelin runners received points as they haven't covered 1%, let alone 90% ot the race distance, required for a driver to be classified. This means that had Minardi and Jordan stuck with the Michelin teams and not raced as planned then we'd have seen the embarrassment of only 2 Ferrari cars and Schumacher and Barrichello being the sole drivers on the podium. IMO the teams (sans Ferrari) wanted to put the FIA and Max Mosely in the corner where he'd had no choice but to either install the chicane right off the bat or postpone the event (but considering this is a flyaway race it was impossible).
@@ivaneurope Ok, but I heard a team radio of Schumis race engineer who said “Räikkönen is eight“ which would make sense since he was second on the grid, but as you said that was irrelevant, since he wouldn't get classified anyway.
"Running an unsanctioned race would threaten all FIA races in the USA." ...because the sanctioned race turned out so much better. It basically f*cked over F1 interest in the United States. It's a shame IMS got a good chunk of the blame for the event, as they hadn't done anything wrong. I understand that adding an untested chicane was "unsafe", but on the other hand racing 175+ mph into a corner and blowing a tire is arguably more dangerous. The whole "one tire set" rule was the dumbest thing F1 ever came up with, and that is another thing that screwed everyone over.
i dont't think the chicane was axed for safety. it would probably be safer than turn 1 on the same track! it was the FIA/Mosley doing what powerful do: be insecure about people knowing how powerful they are and needlessly flexing it
@@FormulaTurismo Yeah, Bridgestone designed their tyres to be superfast for a short time, but for a price of having them changed when refueling, while the Michelin were more harder and durable
Good video, a lot of people who talk about this miss the diamond grinding done to the track. That also caused issues for NASCAR a couple years later, when they came with a new rule set but didn't do enough tire testing.
They actually didn't do *any* tire testing. In case anyone wants to know just how terrible the NASCAR race went: ua-cam.com/video/GZKFc4T-tTY/v-deo.html
Damn, the FIA were absolute dicks in this situation. It's not like the teams didn't want to race, but for some reason the FIA were trying their very hardest to prevent them from doing so... and then complained when the teams didn't race. 6:40 Why did the FIA think it was unfair for Bridgestone? The Michelin teams wouldn't get any points!!! Their second point makes sense though. 7:15 Now this is where it just gets silly and petty from the FIA. They already agreed they wouldn't sanction the race and would take no responsibility if they decided to go with the chicane idea; if anything happened, they would be legally clear. Why did they escalate the situation? And then, bafflingly, they criticised the teams for not running the race even though it was clear it was not safe for them to do so, which completely contradicts their earlier argument for not allowing the chicane because of "safety". They then further contradict themselves by criticising the teams for not going through the pitlane in the race, which is ridiculous. What the actual fuck were the guys at FIA smoking that weekend.
Tbh while Max Mosley was a great FIA president he was known to be a fuck about this stuff. I reckon Jean Todt would've made an exception given the situation
Ikr, that was a day where politics ruled over common sense. The Bridgestone manufacturer had a similar situation on a previous race (I don't remember where and when) but the Michelin team didn't make anything to help their rivals on the tyre war, Jean Todt, principal of Ferrari ar the time, rejected the idea of the chicane as there wasn't testing of fule consumption, tyre wear and brake cooling with the altered track, in fact Jean Todt didn't attend to most of the discussion, leaving Ferrari and Bridgestone as the bad guys. To what I understand Minardi and Jordan were willing to help Michelin teams. The idea of pitstops every 10 laps wasn't legal as in 2005 they were banned and after Kimi accident in the European GP an addendum to that rule that stated that a team would've to retire a car if it was unsafe to drive was put in place.... So yeah, really a sad day on how the greatest minds of a engineered driven sport couldn't settle on what to do
In 1994 some "dummy" chicanes were scattered all over the tracks in regards to the deaths of Senna and Ratzenberger. One of the most awkward placed was in Barcelona, which was basically two rows of tyre barriers before the then Nissan kink. It was odd and drivers couldn't avoid hitting it. The difference between Spain '94 and Indy '05 is that the chicane at Barcelona was approved by the FIA along with GPDA around the Monaco GP. The Indy case on the other hand was made on the very same weekend the race was held. The IMS was homologated and approved by the FIA WITHOUT the proposed chicane and any track alterations would need to approved to the FIA weeks in advance. And installing the chicane would've meant that the IMS in this configuration did not have the homologation required to hold FIA-sanctioned events, including F1. So the notion of placing "dummy" chicane was nixed. Eventually when MotoGP came to Indy in 2008 the layout of the questioned T13 was altered - they bypassed it altogether by installing Mickey Mouse-esque turns on the infield. The Indy GP in IndyCar (the race preceeding the big one - Indy 500) uses slightly modified version of the turns. Altering approved track layout was brought in AGAIN this year at Paul Ricard where the layout with the chicane, spliting the Mistral straight in half, was disliked and asked for its removal and making Mistral a single long straight. The FIA obviously rejected the idea on grounds that the track layout for F1 was already approved by the FIA and any alterations would mean that the track doesnt have the approval needed to stage F1 race weekend.
Please more Story Time in the future! Like a mini documentary, I really like how you incorparate all these facts most of us didn't know about. And I think many more people feel like this, judging by your follower numbers. Hope they keep rising, you deserve it!
The big part was how Bridge stone's partner company Firestone tested an Indy Car at the track. The data was shared with Bridgestone and they were able to get the correct tire for the us gp. Michelin had not tested the track and came in with softer less durable tires.
I hadn’t been able to watch qualifying, so the first I knew there was a problem was when I turned on ITV on the Sunday and the first thing Jim said was “we still don’t know if we’re going to have a race or not”. Pretty soon, my 14-year-old Ferrari fanboy self was loving it.
When I saw this as a kid, my dad was too mad to explain what happened and I was too young to understand this myself. So a big thank you for a clear explanation. Subscribed.
Very nice video, i never fully understood the case since i was 14 yo at the time and we didn't had much information in my language in 2005. Thank you! Keep up with the good work!
gotta say, enormous credit to all the michelin teams for putting aside their differences and attempting to come up with a solution. i also really like the whole bit where FiA go: "we'll back out if you try this" and the teams go: "ok sure we'll do it ourselves" and FiA go: "NOTHATSNOTALLOWED"
I was 12 when this happened and I didn't knew anything about the sport at all, but I was a fan nonetheless. I was a fan of Renault and Jordan. Alonso and Monteiro, specifically. I thought that if Thiago was racing for Honda or Toyota he could score some points. He did a goog job not finishing last anyways so i was happy for him. And when almost every car was out, this happened and Monteiro was 3rd OMG I was out of my mind. What a feeling! Best sunday EVER!
Different racing teams that are rivals to each other, willing to work together just to race because the authority refuse to make the race fun. Some anime storyline, right there.
I've had the pleasure to hear about this directly from the michelin CEO at that time: Herve Coyo. He explained the entire process between the first incidents during the Friday practices and the final decision he had to make just before the race was set to start. Amazing to hear how he handled the immense pressure from teams, FIA, Indianapolis, Michelin etc. Continuous testing from Friday night to Sunday afternoon showed no additional defects. The fact that only Toyota cars seemed to have troubles indicated towards wrong tire usage. Tires were created and tested according to specs, so there was really no reason to believe that a major incident would occur. However, the Michelin CTO said he had a bad feeling regardless, so Coyo made the call to pull out of the race. Later, it was revealed that testing specs were not taking banking into account, so the Michelin QA was not done properly. If Coyo had made a different decision, a driver may well have crashed with potential disasterous results. Amazing experiene to hear mr. Coyo's story.
@@VerticalStrafes for willingly allowing a race to happen knowing that there is a defect in tyres. If those defects rear their ugly head and lead to the death of a driver and more so, fans, indiana would come down like the fires of dragons on the FIA. It would be PR suicide if the FIA forced the Michelin teams to race and someone got killed. The legal consequences would most likely be backed up by other states' district attorneys and maybe even the federal government of the U.S.
The real reason the Michelin teams pulled out was to avoid the Indiana State Police and the FBI arraigning the entire cadre of F1, FIA, Michelin, and team higher ups on reckless endangerment charges. Had an accident happened involving the tires during the race, charges would include manslaughter if a fatality.
My friend got free tickets for 06 USA GP due to this incident, and the ticket came with a few guest invitations. He gave me one and I enjoyed my first Indianapolis weekend.
One of the then ITV commentators, James Allen hit the nail on the head with his summing up the "race", "well it's a sign of how the teams in Formula One simply cannot agree, even in the most extreme circumstances. Formula One should be deeply ashamed of itself today, it lost all semblance of common sense here at Indianapolis, pinch me! Did I really see this?"
Wow I've heard this mess explained a half a dozen times at least from various expert sources and NOBODY mentioned the diamond grinding. That's crucial! And as someone who has worked in civil engineering and construction, including pavement, your brief description of asphalt was excellent 👍
Adrian Newie gives a slightly different story in his book "how to build a car" He says that it was a joint decision by all the teams not to race, due to safety concerns therefore they did the formation lap +1 slow race lap and then back to the pits.
I attended all the F1 races that took place at the IMS...I recall Firestone (parent company Bridgestone) tires having excessive wear during testing in May for the Indy 500...Guess who knew, and was prepared for the F1 race? Well in the end Michelin made up for it by giving those of us who attended the fiasco in 2005 free tickets for 2006 (and we also got 2 additional tickets for free as well).
I recall that Minardi and Jordan had agreed to retire the race in solidarity but Ferrari wouldn't. Ultimately Jordan decided to race after all and, because Jordan were there closest competitors, Minardi were forced to also. Paul Stoddart was very unhappy about the situation.
Sudden realisation of accidental offence - I was referring to the Grand Prix. I sat and watched 6 cars trundle round just for the ten seconds of almost-excitement when one of the Ferraris came out of the pits kinda close to the other.
i find it interesting that only 6 cars competed. i didn't get to watch it since i was only 6, but i probably watched it live with my great grandfather and just dont remember it, he was a big fan
The NASCAR Monster Energy Cup Series had a similar incident happen 3 years later at the same track. Basically what happened was the tires were wearing out really quickly and this caused NASCAR officials to throw out cautions every 10-12 laps. NASCAR ran tire tests and discovered there was an increase load and slip in the right rear tire that caused particle debris to be smaller than anticipated. This caused less rubber to adhere to the track and slow down tire wear
Thankfully the FIA learned its lesson from this. There was almost a repeat situation during the Qatar Grand Prix when there was concerns about tyre damage along turns 12 and 13 of the Lusail Circuit. As a result, that portion of the track was altered and implemented mandatory pit stops during the Grand Prix. They also added a 10-minute “familiarization” practice session prior to the sprint race so that drivers would get accustomed to the changes made.
Nice to get the whole story instead of just the FIA side they gave us. It was a cluster. If remember people throwing beer bottles on the track during the race. Craziness
I was there.Michelin knew it had a problem in 2004. When Ferrari had a problem in Spain, did any Michelin team try to find a comprise? The real farce was Tony George still selling tickets right up to race time. He knew there wasn't going to be a real race......
I was 11 when this race happened I remember my parents talking about it and my suggestion was that they drive slower, obviously it's unsafe to suggest that but it's crazy that an 11 has the same idea as the FiA
Pretty much the same thing happened with the Nascar race there in 2008. Tires were falling apart rapidly and competition cautions were put put every 10 laps or so to prevent tire failures. Most of the time that didn't work as multiple drivers blew tires and crashed out that day. Fans haven't liked the race ever since and attendance for it took a nose dive in the following years.
I forgot which article either from technical segments in f1.com year 2005 or other web stating that the differences between the layering of thread wire in tire compounds make Michelin tires were susceptible for early failure and vice versa for Bridgestone
I really enjoy these storytime videos. The one complaint I have, is that you don't start with 'gentlemen, a short view back to the past'. It must be done!
Me and my dad when to that race , wow it seem like it was going to be a riot at any time. People were so mad that as a adult now i'm surprise there was not a riot. It take many years but i'm back to watching F1. I don't think my dad who had to spend a lot of money is ever going to go back to being a F1 fan.
Please do a video on how high altitude affects F1 cars, seeing how the renaults are higher up the field in FP1 in Mexico than both the mercs and fezzas
Maybe they can go back to Indy again in the future? They still raced in Indy till 2007, and now we have gripier tyres and tyres that also lasts a whole race, and we have pitstops back so safety isn't an issue anymore
With the addition of the dutch gp at zandvoort at 2020 there have been talks about changing the last cornor to a banked cornor so the drs could be opened earlier. The banked cornor will be at an angle of 18 degrees almost twice as that at indianapolis, but as a dutchy I can confirm we don't diamond grind the roads here. So what are the changes of a repeat of us gp 2005 in a non diamond grinded 18 degree banked cornor?
Yeah, Bridgestone 2005 cheese tyre somehow could withstand whereas Michelin tyre especially Toyota keep on failing in that event. It was because their thin sidewall & shoulder, normal for Michelin tyres. Bridgestone also had a wider tyre I believed during that year as well PS: When I watched 2010 races I was like "Bridgestone, you were 5 years too late!"
@Nzthvn Don't let the fanboys on rose tinted glasses fool you, the early 2000's sucked inmensly, except 2003, that season was actually quite decent. The only good thing about those years were the sound of the engines, and personally they actually got tiring after a while.
Nascar and Goodyear had the same problem at Indy after another diamond stone grind I believe in 2009 or so, it’s the only track I know of that does this.
I thought the chicane solution was actually pretty good, and I personally can't see how it'd be unsafe if you don't put down barriers (just add some lines to the track). Though, that could just be a personal shortcoming. I also don't see how it'd be unfair if the Michelin teams were really prepared not to take any points.
*Ouonouan Désiré,* If anything the chicane would've made the cars slow down earlier (which was the entire point) and it actually creates a runoff area as you could still go straight (like you'd do if the chicane wasn't there).
Imagine your political power over a racing series and the teams participating being undermined by a creative solution your political lazy ass could not think of. Surely that would be be worse than drivers actually dying and hundreds of thousands of fans being disappointed, right? - The FIA, probably.
Isn't diamond grinding what you do BEFORE putting on actual asphalt on the road ? I've never heard or seen a road that stayed in that state permanently, usually it's what they do to remove the old layer and prepare the next and then they put on the surface layer during the next night or so. Imo they should just have cancelled the whole thing due to track surface not being up to par
Another great video ... all the better for two opportunities to view. Question ... does Pirelli pay to supply tyres to F1 or the other way around? Given how much grumbling there is about tyres I’m not sure it is a valuable advertising opportunity.
Thank you very much for all your videos. Can you upload a video about what happened between Alonso and Hamilton in Hungary 2007 and all about the war between McLaren’s drivers at that season ?
CORRECTION CORNER: OK, obviously the tyres should be pulled the opposite direction! Sorry about that. Tarmac pulls the tyre in the direction the car is turning. Forgive my lapse.
Chain Bear F1 thanks for clearing this up, i was thinking i was going crazy 😀👍
Your content is always amazing, keep up!
Ok, can someone explain to me(or give a timestamp of) what is the mistake referred here? I thought there was no mistake at 3:05 - the car turns right, the tarmac resists, no?
I was always thinking that beacuse of banking the stress on the tires is actually lower, because of the weight of the car pointing towards the center of the corner. Isn't it? I'd say that the down force was higher on that corner (added aerodynamic down force and centric force % due to the bank angle), this could increase pressure in the tyre, but idk if that could cause such problems.
And keep up good work, I love your videos!
In this video you can see a tyre working really hard 😀 ua-cam.com/video/ZGgWg9Q2TW8/v-deo.html
I just want to say that I find it hilarious that this is essentially what happened
FIA: "if you want to make your own event, fine, we just won't be involved
Teams: "Sure"
FIA: "Wait no"
Mosley is such a loser. These are multi-million dollar/pound/euro teams who are throwing away money on a race that went from non-points scoring to non-championship to not even sanctioned by the FIA. They were being true racers and tried to give the U.S. a show, no matter what the cost. I applaud Stuart for being such a delightfully polite person to not rag the FIA, but it was the FIA's fault that this didn't go well.
1) They put rules in place that prevented tire changes mid-race.
2) They didn't allow Michelin to just call up the Jordan F1 Team or something and say "hey guys, we need to collect some juicy data. Meet us at Speedway, Indiana so we can do this. Bring some 2 year old cars too". They left Michelin no opening to fix the issue before it appeared.
3) They shot down every reasonable idea and suggested some that were so mind-boggling-ly stupid that a 3rd grader would cringe. Slowing down in front of F1 cars going full speed? *Seriously?*
4) When the teams, likely prepared to take the heat in a worst case scenario, tried their best to do SOMETHING, *ANYTHING* for the fans to get what they paid for, the FIA decided to put an end to their valiant efforts by throwing double-birds to *the entire U.S. auto racing scene* by threatening events that had nothing to do with this whole debacle.
And years later, the FIA still treat racers and race fans like dog s**t. What a surprise....
Mitchell-Wallis Force Well, FIA had a whole different meaning back then.
@@cjunsen667 Federation Internationale de l'Arseholes....
@@DannyPlaysStuff correction. Ferrari International Assistance.
So may organisations at the top of sports are purely parasitic. FIA, ICC, FIFA. All bring nothing but damage to their sports
I was there and yes there was almost a riot in the stands. Michelin eventually refunded me my entire ticket price.
How weird was it to see 6 cars on the grid?
@@gianniaurilio8163 It was absurd, especially because one of the Bridgestone teams was Ferrari, and the other two (Jordan & Minardi) were no match for them. Ferrari lapped Jordan, which themselfs lapped Minardi.
@@FriedrichHerschel ferrari peeps didn't even celebrate the podiums, just went home
Tbh it wasn't even Michelin's fault, glad you got your refund back too tho
U should told them to give u free tires
Fun fact: Jarno Trulli on the Toyota knew the Michelin teams would withdraw from the race, thus he got pole with a really light fuel load 👌
Imagine a 20 car Trulli train
ALL ABOARD THE TRULLI TRAIN 🚋🚋CIUFF CIUFF MOTHERFUKERSS 🚂🚂
@@SuperFoz you mean Monaco '04? :P
I'm pretty sure Trulli tried that on multiple occasions regardless.
He would've won that race too
Got a Michelin ad at the beginning
Haha, UA-cam need to check the content the ads are connected to :)
OOF
Got an F1 ad at the beginning
That stupid 2005 rule of only using 1 set of tyres for both qualifying AND the race was so obviously put there to stop Schumacher and Ferrari from winning an 8th title.
U are just salty cuz alonso won the title and he was the best driver. Typical Schumi Fan Boy
I like alonso too but that rule was specifically implemented because they didnt want schumi to dominate. The company that sanctioned that rule was non other than Michelin
I have to agree. I guess Shumi and Ferrari were dominating the F1 too much at the time that there didn't seem to much of a challenge anymore. Thats probably why they did it. Still a stupid idea though
And ends up costing Kimi a win
@@MrAlucard1986 except they only had 1 win that year, and it was this race.
Please more Storytime with Chainbear!
Matthew Panini Would make for some nice stories indeed. Although I think he should stick to ones with a sound factual basis, just like this one, and refrain from speculations or using a lot of hearsay in these 'documentaries'. This would mean not all of these track related stories would be suitable.
I want chainbear to do the 1967 Monza GP now! :D
Matthew Panini are you that guy who used to leave nasty comments on videos in F1's channel? Haven't see you in a while, hope you're a bit less of a twat now
maybe why the old monza and hockenheim tracks were dropped
he should do a vidio on Megelo 220 red flag incedent
On behalf of all the viewers of your channel, we would like to thank you for making understanding technical aspects of F1 easier for us all. You genuinely helped us understand the sport in a more in-depth way, hence being as good as it gets.
Yes I legitly got back into F1 after coming across his videos. Watched F1 since I was a kid but mostly it was just a casual me and my dad kinda affair.
I'm in love with the sport again, even if some of the weekends are boring. The talk and discussions rarely are, not to mention technical videos. Thank you Chain Bear, you gave me back F1.
It's funny that Michelin conceded that their tires would have blown up in less than 20% of the racing distance - after all it was them who wanted ban on changing tires during the race with the sole purpose to curb Bridgestone's (and in particular Ferrari's) advantage during short stints. In the 2004 French GP, Michael Schumacher stoped in the pits 4(!) times and won with Renault, Williams and McLaren obviously struggling to catch him up.
The "Kryptonite" they've used to stop Ferrari however turned on them on that faithful weekend in June 2005.
*fateful
As a person who didn't join F1 until last year, I was not entirely sure as to why this weird event happened in 2005. I heard it had something to do with tires just as you said in this video, but nothing more. I didn't even know a number of teams tried to find solutions (in which I find it very interesting) to this tire problem but weren't successful. Thank you for explaining this to us, especially to those new to the sport. ☺
James Esparagoza not trying to be a dick but it’s tyre not tire
Well, too bad you were unsuccessful, but in the U.S its tire. Just like color and colour.
@@bandithimself6841 Meh, it's totally fine. Grammarly also bugs me a lot when I type in certain words.
@@bandithimself6841 Not trying to be a dick but in the US and Canada at least it's "Tire." Where as "Tyre" is UK and Australia.
Recnamoruen not unsuccessful just didn’t know us used tire as tire is a completely different meaning in the uk and how does not knowing one difference between the American language (which really seems to be created for people who are lazy) and the English language
Chain Bear = The teacher you wish you had especially for Physics, Chemistry or Science.
I mean, he got the actual physics portion wrong (and has admitted as much, I'm not saying anything he hasn't already acknowledged), so maybe not.
I watched this race, and back then I was 9 and a devoted Schumi-Ferrari fanboy. The first time I couldn't even savor the feeling of satisfactory even though your beloved team and driver won the race. Monteiro's champagne spraying was a different story, though (it was hilarious).
Well he was an OK driver in a shit car. Hey knew he would never get the chance to score points again. And in all fairness he could only race with his teamate and the minardis. So he wan his race...
I was 7 back then and didn't know what the fuck was going on lol
Same for me...
Monteiro celebration on the podium is so funny to watch
It was so.... bad
@@dislexyc that happened because if i remember correctly Minardi had talked to Jordan about them not running either, and had been assured. but when Jordan didn't pull off, they had to keep their cars out there.
@@Nxtl68 Imagine if Minardi and Jordan pulled out, and Barrichello crashed into Schumacher, it would have been a race with all DNFs.
More seriously, Monteiro managed to get more podiums than Hulkenberg despite having less opportunities.
There's an extra kinda interesting side story in all of this, regarding the Bridgestone teams and the fact that they did all actually race.
Ferrari very much come across as the bad guys, insisting on racing regardless, as it had been a bad year for them and they needed every points advantage they could get.
But both Minardi and, mainly, Jordan considered not racing. (I'm not 100% why, I think it would have effectively been a show of solidarity amongst teams against the FIA who refused the chicane idea).
Things got really close to the start of the race, with Jordan only staying out on the formation lap to line up on the grid at the last second, as they could not afford to lose so many points to Minardi, as neither team was likely to score points at any other race, and both needed the constructors championship prize money.
There's a really interesting interview with Eddie Jordan about this somewhere.
9 teams agreed to withdraw - this includes both Jordan and Minardi teams. But Colin Koles, the head honcho of Jordan Grand Prix (Eddie was no longer calling the shots after he sold the team to Alexander Schneider and Midland Group), decided to start, throwing a wrench in Paul Stoddart's plans to not race no matter what. Given his previous agenda with Mosley, chief amongst them not allowing the team to race with 2004-spec car, Stoddart had no choice, but to also appear on the start, but he said that one Minardi will be withdrawn for every retired Jordan.
Paul Stoddart was clearly miffed and there's an interview with him (you can find it on UA-cam) where he vents his entire frustrations and even saying that "this is not a race, it's a farce" and that he'd rather see his team score 0 points than capitalize on 14 cars less grid, but because Jordan appeared on the grid, Minardi were "forced" to do so as well
ivaneurope I knew it was something like that, probably should have looked into it a bit before posting my comment.
Thanks for correcting my mistakes! :)
@@ivaneurope But this begs the question... If both Minardi and Jordan didn't appear on the grid and Ferrari were the only starters, who would have got the last spot on the podium? Trulli? I mean he got pole so it would make sense.
@BWOAH None of the Michelin runners received points as they haven't covered 1%, let alone 90% ot the race distance, required for a driver to be classified. This means that had Minardi and Jordan stuck with the Michelin teams and not raced as planned then we'd have seen the embarrassment of only 2 Ferrari cars and Schumacher and Barrichello being the sole drivers on the podium.
IMO the teams (sans Ferrari) wanted to put the FIA and Max Mosely in the corner where he'd had no choice but to either install the chicane right off the bat or postpone the event (but considering this is a flyaway race it was impossible).
@@ivaneurope Ok, but I heard a team radio of Schumis race engineer who said “Räikkönen is eight“ which would make sense since he was second on the grid, but as you said that was irrelevant, since he wouldn't get classified anyway.
"Running an unsanctioned race would threaten all FIA races in the USA."
...because the sanctioned race turned out so much better. It basically f*cked over F1 interest in the United States. It's a shame IMS got a good chunk of the blame for the event, as they hadn't done anything wrong. I understand that adding an untested chicane was "unsafe", but on the other hand racing 175+ mph into a corner and blowing a tire is arguably more dangerous.
The whole "one tire set" rule was the dumbest thing F1 ever came up with, and that is another thing that screwed everyone over.
i dont't think the chicane was axed for safety. it would probably be safer than turn 1 on the same track! it was the FIA/Mosley doing what powerful do: be insecure about people knowing how powerful they are and needlessly flexing it
The one tire set rule was done purely to stop ferrari's dominance in the sport.
@@FormulaTurismo Yeah, Bridgestone designed their tyres to be superfast for a short time, but for a price of having them changed when refueling, while the Michelin were more harder and durable
The chicane would've been safer than any of the suggestions the FIA had
Props to the remaining six who still remembers their track positions.
Also, ah yes... 2005, the year Mosley exclusively screwed Ferrari.
The tyre change ban, which was requested by none other than Michelin to curb Bridgestone's short stint advantage, came back to haunt them eventually.
Good video, a lot of people who talk about this miss the diamond grinding done to the track. That also caused issues for NASCAR a couple years later, when they came with a new rule set but didn't do enough tire testing.
They actually didn't do *any* tire testing.
In case anyone wants to know just how terrible the NASCAR race went: ua-cam.com/video/GZKFc4T-tTY/v-deo.html
Damn, the FIA were absolute dicks in this situation. It's not like the teams didn't want to race, but for some reason the FIA were trying their very hardest to prevent them from doing so... and then complained when the teams didn't race.
6:40 Why did the FIA think it was unfair for Bridgestone? The Michelin teams wouldn't get any points!!! Their second point makes sense though.
7:15 Now this is where it just gets silly and petty from the FIA. They already agreed they wouldn't sanction the race and would take no responsibility if they decided to go with the chicane idea; if anything happened, they would be legally clear. Why did they escalate the situation?
And then, bafflingly, they criticised the teams for not running the race even though it was clear it was not safe for them to do so, which completely contradicts their earlier argument for not allowing the chicane because of "safety". They then further contradict themselves by criticising the teams for not going through the pitlane in the race, which is ridiculous. What the actual fuck were the guys at FIA smoking that weekend.
Tbh while Max Mosley was a great FIA president he was known to be a fuck about this stuff. I reckon Jean Todt would've made an exception given the situation
Ikr, that was a day where politics ruled over common sense.
The Bridgestone manufacturer had a similar situation on a previous race (I don't remember where and when) but the Michelin team didn't make anything to help their rivals on the tyre war, Jean Todt, principal of Ferrari ar the time, rejected the idea of the chicane as there wasn't testing of fule consumption, tyre wear and brake cooling with the altered track, in fact Jean Todt didn't attend to most of the discussion, leaving Ferrari and Bridgestone as the bad guys. To what I understand Minardi and Jordan were willing to help Michelin teams.
The idea of pitstops every 10 laps wasn't legal as in 2005 they were banned and after Kimi accident in the European GP an addendum to that rule that stated that a team would've to retire a car if it was unsafe to drive was put in place.... So yeah, really a sad day on how the greatest minds of a engineered driven sport couldn't settle on what to do
The FIA being the FIA
they werent being total dicks but I believe that a main concern for the FIA would be lawsuits
In 1994 some "dummy" chicanes were scattered all over the tracks in regards to the deaths of Senna and Ratzenberger. One of the most awkward placed was in Barcelona, which was basically two rows of tyre barriers before the then Nissan kink. It was odd and drivers couldn't avoid hitting it.
The difference between Spain '94 and Indy '05 is that the chicane at Barcelona was approved by the FIA along with GPDA around the Monaco GP. The Indy case on the other hand was made on the very same weekend the race was held. The IMS was homologated and approved by the FIA WITHOUT the proposed chicane and any track alterations would need to approved to the FIA weeks in advance. And installing the chicane would've meant that the IMS in this configuration did not have the homologation required to hold FIA-sanctioned events, including F1. So the notion of placing "dummy" chicane was nixed. Eventually when MotoGP came to Indy in 2008 the layout of the questioned T13 was altered - they bypassed it altogether by installing Mickey Mouse-esque turns on the infield. The Indy GP in IndyCar (the race preceeding the big one - Indy 500) uses slightly modified version of the turns.
Altering approved track layout was brought in AGAIN this year at Paul Ricard where the layout with the chicane, spliting the Mistral straight in half, was disliked and asked for its removal and making Mistral a single long straight. The FIA obviously rejected the idea on grounds that the track layout for F1 was already approved by the FIA and any alterations would mean that the track doesnt have the approval needed to stage F1 race weekend.
Thanks for this excellent recollection! Can't believe how flimsy the cars looked thirteen years ago!
This reminds me a lot of the tire war that led to the disaster that was the 1969 Talladega 500
Please more Story Time in the future! Like a mini documentary, I really like how you incorparate all these facts most of us didn't know about. And I think many more people feel like this, judging by your follower numbers. Hope they keep rising, you deserve it!
time to rewatch in the background, muted, without adblock :D
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I'm here from the GT Sport update where Michelin became an official sponsor x)
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2021 Belgian GP brought me back.
The big part was how Bridge stone's partner company Firestone tested an Indy Car at the track. The data was shared with Bridgestone and they were able to get the correct tire for the us gp. Michelin had not tested the track and came in with softer less durable tires.
I watched your video on the other channel but came to watch it again so you get your well earned views
I hadn’t been able to watch qualifying, so the first I knew there was a problem was when I turned on ITV on the Sunday and the first thing Jim said was “we still don’t know if we’re going to have a race or not”. Pretty soon, my 14-year-old Ferrari fanboy self was loving it.
When I saw this as a kid, my dad was too mad to explain what happened and I was too young to understand this myself. So a big thank you for a clear explanation. Subscribed.
You do awesome job, that's best channel on youtube about F1
2021 Belgium, hold my beer.
Born in 1996 I actually remember this weird race with 6 cars :)
I remember the drama around the start of the race but I have to thank you for ellobrating about the technicality around this tyre fiasco.
Very nice video, i never fully understood the case since i was 14 yo at the time and we didn't had much information in my language in 2005. Thank you! Keep up with the good work!
Simple solution: they should have given the Bridgestone tyres to the teams which used Michelin tyres and should have fined Michelin
gotta say, enormous credit to all the michelin teams for putting aside their differences and attempting to come up with a solution. i also really like the whole bit where FiA go: "we'll back out if you try this" and the teams go: "ok sure we'll do it ourselves" and FiA go: "NOTHATSNOTALLOWED"
I was 12 when this happened and I didn't knew anything about the sport at all, but I was a fan nonetheless. I was a fan of Renault and Jordan. Alonso and Monteiro, specifically. I thought that if Thiago was racing for Honda or Toyota he could score some points. He did a goog job not finishing last anyways so i was happy for him.
And when almost every car was out, this happened and Monteiro was 3rd OMG I was out of my mind. What a feeling! Best sunday EVER!
Different racing teams that are rivals to each other, willing to work together just to race because the authority refuse to make the race fun.
Some anime storyline, right there.
remember when one of the BMW-chan sisters' legs got blown up?
Your videos are so well constructed!
Damn, 13 years? Thats a lot of effort in one video
Holy shit! 2005 was 13 years ago...
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I've had the pleasure to hear about this directly from the michelin CEO at that time: Herve Coyo. He explained the entire process between the first incidents during the Friday practices and the final decision he had to make just before the race was set to start. Amazing to hear how he handled the immense pressure from teams, FIA, Indianapolis, Michelin etc.
Continuous testing from Friday night to Sunday afternoon showed no additional defects. The fact that only Toyota cars seemed to have troubles indicated towards wrong tire usage. Tires were created and tested according to specs, so there was really no reason to believe that a major incident would occur.
However, the Michelin CTO said he had a bad feeling regardless, so Coyo made the call to pull out of the race. Later, it was revealed that testing specs were not taking banking into account, so the Michelin QA was not done properly. If Coyo had made a different decision, a driver may well have crashed with potential disasterous results.
Amazing experiene to hear mr. Coyo's story.
Later years, IndyCar and MotoGP version of IMS DID add the chicane.
Yeah but not that improvised chicane right before turn 13
The big point, was Indiana state law. Teams could have been impounded, and the 2005 season would have ended then and there.
For what
@@VerticalStrafes for willingly allowing a race to happen knowing that there is a defect in tyres. If those defects rear their ugly head and lead to the death of a driver and more so, fans, indiana would come down like the fires of dragons on the FIA.
It would be PR suicide if the FIA forced the Michelin teams to race and someone got killed.
The legal consequences would most likely be backed up by other states' district attorneys and maybe even the federal government of the U.S.
The real reason the Michelin teams pulled out was to avoid the Indiana State Police and the FBI arraigning the entire cadre of F1, FIA, Michelin, and team higher ups on reckless endangerment charges. Had an accident happened involving the tires during the race, charges would include manslaughter if a fatality.
This is why the tyres war was not a good thing for F1.
From a spectator point of view, it also added complexity to who contributed to make a car fast.
My friend got free tickets for 06 USA GP due to this incident, and the ticket came with a few guest invitations. He gave me one and I enjoyed my first Indianapolis weekend.
One of the then ITV commentators, James Allen hit the nail on the head with his summing up the "race", "well it's a sign of how the teams in Formula One simply cannot agree, even in the most extreme circumstances. Formula One should be deeply ashamed of itself today, it lost all semblance of common sense here at Indianapolis, pinch me! Did I really see this?"
thtas awesome
That was way more interesting than I thought it would be. Imma bookmark it now
How in the world could a chicane possibly make the race less safe. It was the common sense solution. Anyone could look at it and say "That will work".
If I'm not mistaking, there has been several iterations of the GP circuit after 2005 that used a chicane right there at the high-speed corner
my first F1 race lol It was mayhem at the racetrack.
Fascinating as always!
Wow I've heard this mess explained a half a dozen times at least from various expert sources and NOBODY mentioned the diamond grinding. That's crucial! And as someone who has worked in civil engineering and construction, including pavement, your brief description of asphalt was excellent 👍
Excellent and thoroughly explained! I always wondered why
1:46 hopefully there won't be any tyre failure at Zandvoort's last corner
Adrian Newie gives a slightly different story in his book "how to build a car"
He says that it was a joint decision by all the teams not to race, due to safety concerns therefore they did the formation lap +1 slow race lap and then back to the pits.
And in my opinion, Max Moseley was and still is a dick. Scuse the language
I attended all the F1 races that took place at the IMS...I recall Firestone (parent company Bridgestone) tires having excessive wear during testing in May for the Indy 500...Guess who knew, and was prepared for the F1 race?
Well in the end Michelin made up for it by giving those of us who attended the fiasco in 2005 free tickets for 2006 (and we also got 2 additional tickets for free as well).
Man, this seems to be yesterday, but it was 13 years ago...
I recall that Minardi and Jordan had agreed to retire the race in solidarity but Ferrari wouldn't. Ultimately Jordan decided to race after all and, because Jordan were there closest competitors, Minardi were forced to also. Paul Stoddart was very unhappy about the situation.
I actually sat through the entire thing. I'm not sure why.
No, no - that's the idea.
mate arent you a patron? it'd be weird if you didn't of all people
Aaaah, I meant the Grand Prix! Of course I watched the whole video!
Sudden realisation of accidental offence - I was referring to the Grand Prix. I sat and watched 6 cars trundle round just for the ten seconds of almost-excitement when one of the Ferraris came out of the pits kinda close to the other.
i find it interesting that only 6 cars competed. i didn't get to watch it since i was only 6, but i probably watched it live with my great grandfather and just dont remember it, he was a big fan
Amazing narration. More of this (some interesting stuff from the last century maybe...)
I agree with James, being new to the sport I enjoy watching such content
The NASCAR Monster Energy Cup Series had a similar incident happen 3 years later at the same track. Basically what happened was the tires were wearing out really quickly and this caused NASCAR officials to throw out cautions every 10-12 laps. NASCAR ran tire tests and discovered there was an increase load and slip in the right rear tire that caused particle debris to be smaller than anticipated. This caused less rubber to adhere to the track and slow down tire wear
This is why I’m glad that most Motorsports don’t have competing tire manufacturers. Tire wars are dangerous
Thankfully the FIA learned its lesson from this. There was almost a repeat situation during the Qatar Grand Prix when there was concerns about tyre damage along turns 12 and 13 of the Lusail Circuit. As a result, that portion of the track was altered and implemented mandatory pit stops during the Grand Prix. They also added a 10-minute “familiarization” practice session prior to the sprint race so that drivers would get accustomed to the changes made.
This story is what I've always been wondering
Defo need more of these types of vids
Nice to get the whole story instead of just the FIA side they gave us. It was a cluster. If remember people throwing beer bottles on the track during the race. Craziness
Great video as always.
I was there.Michelin knew it had a problem in 2004. When Ferrari had a problem in Spain, did any Michelin team try to find a comprise? The real farce was Tony George still selling tickets right up to race time. He knew there wasn't going to be a real race......
I was 11 when this race happened I remember my parents talking about it and my suggestion was that they drive slower, obviously it's unsafe to suggest that but it's crazy that an 11 has the same idea as the FiA
Gene w to replace Jean todt😜
Great vid mate
This reminds me of the Tire Wars of NASCAR bewteen Firestone and Goodyear and then later Goodyear and Hoosier.
If I was there, I would have thrown so many beer cans on track it would have been red flagged.
Pretty much the same thing happened with the Nascar race there in 2008. Tires were falling apart rapidly and competition cautions were put put every 10 laps or so to prevent tire failures. Most of the time that didn't work as multiple drivers blew tires and crashed out that day. Fans haven't liked the race ever since and attendance for it took a nose dive in the following years.
The tire aspect is almost like the 88-89 and 94 Hoosier Goodyear Tire War, or the Firestone Goodyear Tire War in 1969 in NASCAR.
I forgot which article either from technical segments in f1.com year 2005 or other web stating that the differences between the layering of thread wire in tire compounds make Michelin tires were susceptible for early failure and vice versa for Bridgestone
I really enjoy these storytime videos. The one complaint I have, is that you don't start with 'gentlemen, a short view back to the past'. It must be done!
Wow. Thanks for the explanation. If only youtube was popular back in 2005, I would have understand it better why they did it in the first place
Mantin brundles grid walk for British tv is a good watch for this race he had a long chat with Bernie and asked the though questions
As a nascar fan when you said heavily banked corner it threw me off lol
Me and my dad when to that race , wow it seem like it was going to be a riot at any time. People were so mad that as a adult now i'm surprise there was not a riot. It take many years but i'm back to watching F1. I don't think my dad who had to spend a lot of money is ever going to go back to being a F1 fan.
I miss this channel. I watched this video after watching the Grand Prix on a certain You Tube channel before that video will eventually be deleted.
This really set back F1's attempts to get into the American market back decades. I still know people who complain about this event and F1.
I wonder if things would have been different if Ferrari were running Michelins.
Complete question, why didn't Bridgestone supply the Michelin teams? Due to lack of supply?
It would have been damn near impossible to manufacture a bunch of new tires for all the teams overnight let alone ship them out
i wish there was a channel like yours for moto gp.
THX! I was not into the race at that time yet..
Oh my god, you spelled Kimi Räikkönen the best I've ever heard! Honestly props for that.
Please do a video on how high altitude affects F1 cars, seeing how the renaults are higher up the field in FP1 in Mexico than both the mercs and fezzas
you have some awesome videos!!!
Maybe they can go back to Indy again in the future? They still raced in Indy till 2007, and now we have gripier tyres and tyres that also lasts a whole race, and we have pitstops back so safety isn't an issue anymore
With the addition of the dutch gp at zandvoort at 2020 there have been talks about changing the last cornor to a banked cornor so the drs could be opened earlier. The banked cornor will be at an angle of 18 degrees almost twice as that at indianapolis, but as a dutchy I can confirm we don't diamond grind the roads here. So what are the changes of a repeat of us gp 2005 in a non diamond grinded 18 degree banked cornor?
No one is allowed to roast current F1 now.
....outside of the engines since people who still on about that.
I wasn't aware of regulations back then, because I was still a kid obviously, but I really cannot imagine F1 pit stops w/o changing the tyres now.
Yeah, Bridgestone 2005 cheese tyre somehow could withstand whereas Michelin tyre especially Toyota keep on failing in that event. It was because their thin sidewall & shoulder, normal for Michelin tyres. Bridgestone also had a wider tyre I believed during that year as well
PS: When I watched 2010 races I was like "Bridgestone, you were 5 years too late!"
I wish I was a fan during that era.
I mean, I love current F1 but would have loved to see the procession to what F1 is today
@Nzthvn Don't let the fanboys on rose tinted glasses fool you, the early 2000's sucked inmensly, except 2003, that season was actually quite decent. The only good thing about those years were the sound of the engines, and personally they actually got tiring after a while.
Nascar and Goodyear had the same problem at Indy after another diamond stone grind I believe in 2009 or so, it’s the only track I know of that does this.
I thought the chicane solution was actually pretty good, and I personally can't see how it'd be unsafe if you don't put down barriers (just add some lines to the track). Though, that could just be a personal shortcoming. I also don't see how it'd be unfair if the Michelin teams were really prepared not to take any points.
Imagine someone miss his braking point or have a brake failure at that chicane. There was no run off areas. Direct to the wall.
@@ouonouanwilfried-desire7758 You'd just skip the chicane and just carry on as normal
*Ouonouan Désiré,* If anything the chicane would've made the cars slow down earlier (which was the entire point) and it actually creates a runoff area as you could still go straight (like you'd do if the chicane wasn't there).
Imagine your political power over a racing series and the teams participating being undermined by a creative solution your political lazy ass could not think of. Surely that would be be worse than drivers actually dying and hundreds of thousands of fans being disappointed, right?
- The FIA, probably.
The track would be the runoff. They already decided a NASCAR speedway with high speed-zero runoff corners was safe enough.
Isn't diamond grinding what you do BEFORE putting on actual asphalt on the road ? I've never heard or seen a road that stayed in that state permanently, usually it's what they do to remove the old layer and prepare the next and then they put on the surface layer during the next night or so. Imo they should just have cancelled the whole thing due to track surface not being up to par
Another great video ... all the better for two opportunities to view. Question ... does Pirelli pay to supply tyres to F1 or the other way around? Given how much grumbling there is about tyres I’m not sure it is a valuable advertising opportunity.
USA 2005.
The race that proves engine sound isn't everything in motorsport
Thank you very much for all your videos. Can you upload a video about what happened between Alonso and Hamilton in Hungary 2007 and all about the war between McLaren’s drivers at that season ?