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I think the mistake you and mike are making is not noting the difference between Speaking in tongues and Praying in tongues . No not everyone can Speak in tongues clearly, but I believe that They believe Praying in tongues is a different story (they being charismatic/Pentecostal n all that good stuff
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@Khalil Christian Yup, been watching on instaflixxer for since december myself =)
Yessir
I have only once witnessed the Holy Spirit poured out in church. That event included a deliverance on my wife who had taken Ayahuasca many years before. The Pastor cast out a serpent from my wife. She had never told anyone at church that when she took Ayahuasca she 'hallucinated' that she had swallowed a snake. Since that day she had felt a dark stronghold in her stomach. That deliverance took that pain away. My wife is a very shy and reserved person so this was not for show. Before I witnessed this I too was a John MacArthur loving cessationist. I now know those gifts have not ceased.
Wait so a actual serpent came out her body?
Felt a dark stronghold hold? 🤣
yeah, who wouldn't be convinced by that (sigh). When will y'all quit with this nonsense?
@@pokemonbacon1237 Of course not. Same mental impression crap, different day.
@@AJTramberg sounds like the pharisees in Jesus' day.
having a form of godliness but denying the power. my bible says to turn away from such people.
“Charismatic with a seatbelt.” -Best way to put it I’ve ever heard 😂. I’m using that from now on 🤙🏻
I was just going to say the same thing!
I grew up in a faithful Christian home with Godly parents. Very traditional reformed church so not charasmatic at all.
But in my teens even though I believed in God I was very confused spiritually, struggled with depression and drugs.
I was invited to a small charasmatic church where a prophetic person was preaching (long story how that happened lol). At the service I saw manifestations of the Spirit like people getting slain in the Spirit and ect.
Towards the end of the service the prophet called me out by my name. Layed hands on my and what I can only describe as power of God flowing through my body,went down and started to speak in tounges.
I got up, felt like a bag of sand dropped of me, was quite overwhelming.
I went home, got in my bed and started to pray in tounges all night. During that night I was completely transformed.
That was in 2009 and I'm still radical for Jesus and in full time missions.
Had a good friend with a similar story as Mike. He called it a “courtesy fall.” Years later he started a band called The Courtesy Falls.
Mike winger is so balanced and I dig that. I love that his basis is the Scriptures. “I don’t have a theological basis for disagreeing “. So wise.
He brings light to issues instead of bringing heat. Light seeks to make things known. Heat causes explosions.
I remember once on a mission trips to Nicarauga, I was slain in the Spirit once. It felt like I gentle push but not being touched by any person. And I as I came to I remember feeling so light and at peace. This happened back in 2007. It has never happened since. It was truly a beautiful experience.
Love it! A return to a balanced theology, willing to be objective, willing to leave room for the mysterious areas of the word that “man” doesn’t have a full handle on while acknowledging the scriptures are the final authority.
@Rachel Davidson
Jonathan Edwards said this would fall under a neutral sign, neither confirms nor denies the work of the Spirit, so its not something we can pass definitive judgment upon another believer
I do believe that some people are slain in the spirit. But when it becomes a mandated or widespread practice, like Mike described, it becomes really damaging. I was in an environment like that and I still have to forgive that group of people because I was made to feel like something was wrong with me.
YES! Well said
I think that they shouldn't line you up, push you, and expect you to fall over, so that they can put some kind of spiritual "notch" in their belt!!!
i Experienced trembling before and shaking... i used to chase Spiritual Experiences and wanted one so so much and i would get hurt when people would get filled with The Spirit because it never happened to me. so one day i finally Surrendered and gave up the desire and told God that if He didnt want to touch me, im fine with that and Accept His Will, right after i said that, i had an encounter with God. This happened many many years ago. im not into the charasmatic movement and God just Exposed many false prophets as liars and false prophets and the majority are just prophesying using their imaginations and thinking that their imaginations must be from God!! Spiritual Experiences with God and Heavenly Consolations are Awesome and they strenghen us for the journey ahead, but one must not chase after these. What one must do is just Surrender to Life and Surrender to God and take up our cross daily. The Charismatic Movement is so foucused on The Gifts but we should really be focused on The Great Commission.
The issue is that you can be sincere and still be led astray. Be careful.
Indeed
Those who don’t get familiarized with Scriptures, are MUCH, MUCH easier target to be led astray, than those who do get very familiarized with the Word of God. This is why, His Word is a lamp unto our feet, and a light unto our path, to see where we are and were we are going. Hard to go astray while using God’s lamp, and sword.
@@daliacn8848 But wise to trust people that teach scripture correctly. Context, context, context.
@@Kerosenetrewthe
Here is the irony...
How do you know such person is teaching the Scriptures correctly, but by studying Scripture yourself IN CONTEXT, and searching the The Scriptures yourself? Not to reach a personal interpretation, .... For the World is NOT for personal interpretation. But to verify what The Word of God says and teach itself.
Smile 😊
I notice though that even though most “Christian” denominations insists in CONTEXT ( which I also agree) they still reach different, and in many cases, VERY DRASTIC Different conclusions though. That doesn’t make any sense to me, and I think I know why that happens....
But I’m curious to know: Why do you think that happens?
@@daliacn8848 It's like in Acts 8 with Philip and the Eunuch. "How will i know (what im reading) unless someone guides me?"
Also, the apostles themselves were taught by Jesus after He had risen in that 40 day period.
If people aren't preaching about repentance and Christ crucified, i say run because chances are they are preaching another gospel. We need solid teachers in our lives.
I believe it has a lot to do with the culture of the Church. One side is against the gifts of the spirit (not good) then another side is so focused on the gifts that they can begin to act out of order and be disruptive or even problematic (also not good). God is a God of order, and deciding when to use people in the gifts of the spirit is by order as well. Sucks to see that so many will see whatever they want to see in scripture rather than cross examine their theology with the whole of Scripture (I’ve been guilty of it).
It is human nature to bend truth to fit yourself to validate your views and beliefs.
Good point.
As a Calvinist Charismatic, I just want to let you know how much I appreciate you both. You are both gifts to the body of Christ.
how is there even such thing as a Charismatic Calvinist? lol
@@lelec566 lmaooo there's Paul Washer, Martyn Lloyd Jones, John Piper and good number of people hat would surprise you.
@@sammiesaliu5121 John Piper does lean Charismatic but I'd say he's probably truly experiencing some of those things that Academic Calvinists have never actually experienced. John Piper is called of God and his gifts are anointed. This does not make him free of his human mind that and muddle things of man with things of God. I've never hear of Martyn Lloyd Jones but I will look into him. I have heard of Paul Washer and I'm not sure I'd call him Charismatic. Thanks for the suggestions.
I never heard of a Calvinist Charismatic interesting
@@shrexy986Martin L jones was a medical doctor and became a pastor theologian. His commentaries on Romans and Ephesians are excellent.
I also faked being 'slain in the spirit' when I was a new Christian, because it was the expected thing. I was encouraged to 'just relax into Jesus' arms', which is what I obligingly did. I knew that I was not overcome by the spirit. I have also experienced someone trying to get me to fall over by shouting ,Now GO!', and hitting me in the middle of my forehead. There was NO way I was going to be knocked over! and I stood my ground.
Have mercy 🤦♀️👀
What in the world
I asked God for 5 years for tongues and it happend, one night I was praising God and I had a vision of a dove fluttering toward me. When the dove got to me the holy spirit hit me and I began speaking in tongues! I never fell out, shook, it was gentle and subtle. I pray in tongues daily in private.
I wouldn't call it passing out, for me it was like submitting to an incredible joyful presence, a river of love.
I've been a Christian for 50 years, been to bible school, studied the scriptures, I like to think that I'm well founded in right doctrines.
First time it happened to me was '74. I thought I was praying in English but people told me afterwards, it was a foreign language.
When the Toronto blessing thing happened, I resisted because I wanted to be sure it was real. Then I allowed myself to succumb, I literally laughed for 2 days. It was a real relief and help. There were other experiences when I wept too, then I prayed in petition.
So I believe in these blessings, as long as they don't get abused, that there is order, and a balance with preaching the gospel and bible study. We need the Word to feed on, nourish our faith, especially when dry times come.
But yes, I've seen plenty of abuse of it, too much disorder, lack of purpose, chasing the experience instead of the Lord Himself.
Experiences come and go, but good things come to those that wait on the Lord. Be a blessing and also share your faith whether it's in season for you or not.
Thanks for sharing. Pastor Mike’s story reminded me of a story my friend shared with me. She was taken to a Charismatic Church by a friend and at one point during service people began falling down, rolling around on the ground uncontrollably, and speaking in “tongues”. Her friend fell down as well doing the same thing, but she noticed at one point her friend stopped for a moment, opened one eye looking around to check if everyone was still doing it, and then closed the eye and began rolling around again. Stuff like this has made me weary of Charismatic Churches but I’m trying to be more charitable and open to learning about it despite the abuse that can happen.
Just so you know, I'm going to use "Charismatic With A Seatbelt" from now on
I told myself the same thing lol
My experience was completely different.. I'd never been fallen down in prayer. I was praying for a drug addict who was completely unchuched seeking Jesus, with my hand over his head he fell down onto the floor and I was annoyed because I hadn't finished praying for him. Others were watching..and praising God. I just leant down and continued praying for him.
Another time I gave an altar call and began praying generally for those standing with the microphone and a few cried out and fell over.. the pastor told me after nothing like this had even happen like this before to anyone in that church. Fortunately those people are active genuine Christians now. Fruit I think is the test.
I think when the gospel is preached in the power of God a lot of those things will occur if we have expectation. The problem occurs when the experience is separated from the preaching of the gospel.
If they exhibit the gifts and have no fruit, what then? If they have the fruit but no supernatural gift when then?
@@tomtemple69 what is fruit?
One time we went to a packed out church to see a special speaker/preacher and only seats available was on second row. After he got through preaching, he started laying hands on people and each person fell back in hands of catchers. We were pentecostal church goers before this but never saw anything like this. The preacher was practically calling each person starting on first row and me and hubby looked at each other and said “lets go” so we left before we got prayed for.
Great video love the expression Charismatic with a seat belt, I personally have never spoken in tongues and for years I was constantly asked if I was baptised in the holy spirit could I speak in tongues. Even leaving one service feeling like a second class Christian because I don't speak in tongues. I've since learned that I have over gifts including my faith itself from the holy spirit that I no longer worried in Gods timing if it's his will I will speak in tongues. I have once been properly slain in the spirit I remember going to the front for a call for prayer for healing I didn't need healing but I found my self scared of praying for healing for others. As the pastor came down the line of people slapping them on the head and they all went down one by one I remember thinking Mate I ain't going down that easily the only way I'm going down is if the Holy Spirit puts me down. I could still see his hand 6 or so inches away from me and my legs where gone and I felt God's presence so strong his power was so real to me in that moment and then God totally changed my life leading me to forgive a man who abused me as a boy. He gave me my family back wow God is so good
When God healed me from the brink of death (stomach was the size of an Italian prune), I collapsed, and there was no way I was going anywhere until He was done doing what He was doing. When I did get up, I felt intoxicated. But He healed me completely--that day, I was able to eat a full meal (something I hadn't been able to do for quite some time).
Every time I truly feel the Spirit doing something in me, or I have an extremely amazing prayer time, I feel intoxicated. I thought I was weird haha I’m glad to know it’s a thing others feel!
I’m so glad He healed you. ❤️❤️❤️
I necessarily dont believe in slayed in the spirit due to where it originated but I'd never question whether their saved. I was once that person,I wanted to experience God and see all the supernatural signs whatever it took to get closer to him. As I've grown God taught me to have grace with them. I was a catcher so alot of falling out was happening ALOT!!! I would fall out on purpose because I didnt want ppl think I had a demon or something. Mike is definitely on point with this one!!! Pray for those sincere charismatic believers they are still our bros and sis whether we agree or not❤✝️
It is real, there are fakers, but sometimes when God brings his presence on you it can take you to your knees or on the floor. I used to look at it very sceptical until it happened to me. I think people are very cautious....and rightly so, but we have to test the spirits. Is it leading them closer to Jesus Christ, or closer to the world. We will know by that what it is.
I need to share my testimony on this because my experience was totally different and every bit real. I was a heroin addict and in desperate need of deliverance (literally also delivered from a demon). I went to church with my parents before heading off to rehab to avoid jail time. A few people had been slain in the spirit. I looked at my mom and said I will let them pray with me but I won’t fall down like that & she said that’s fine! I walked up for prayer and he didn’t even touch me and I felt a force push me back but I fought it and stayed standing. 10 seconds later, the Holy Spirit hit me a second time and this time it was so strong I couldn’t fight it. It knocked me flat out and knocked my dad off his feet too who was behind me. I was filled with the joy of the Lord that night and I needed it for the journey that laid ahead of me! A few months later I was water baptized & when I came out of the water I was baptized in the Spirit and my lips began to tremble and my prayer language came out of me (I couldn’t control it or stop it)! I’m closer to Lord than ever now! Having grown up in church my whole life, I can say this is the true power that the Holy Spirit gave me to overcome as I needed it. I didn’t seek the experience, I sought the Lord in my desperation and He responded. Perhaps it’s the motives behind why people seek a thing that determines who experiences it. I actually said “I won’t do that” but I received what I needed. People need to just pursue Jesus with their whole heart and let God be God! I know those encounters were real because they bore fruit in my life. Some will never be open to receive because of doubt and unbelief and some will seek the “experience” like a high & might get slain by something but I doubt the Holy Spirit will respond to those people because His power isn’t for show; it’s for those who truly want to worship in Spirit and in Truth. God Bless,
I just really felt led to share this because too many in the body are misleading people by denying the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. How can we walk in and be led by the Spirit without the Holy Spirit working in and through us?! The disciples themselves became who they were only after receiving the Holy Spirit. Their gospel work took off after that!
@@jenniferg.7370 like mike winger I cant say your wrong and that God can't move in that way. We've all had different experiences ya know maybe it was something that God didnt intend for me but from my experience of years in a certain church things were very skeptical. Again this was my experience I dont like to speak on other ppls experience
@@mobbin4christ332 you aren’t alone. It seems we have two major groups prevalent today. One who has seen the abuse of the power of God so they stay so far away from it that they do not allow the spirit to move at all and the other so bent on the experience that they have missed the whole point entirely! I believe the Lord wants us to get back to the place where we submit and yield our vessels to Him & He is given the space to move as He wills & not us. The place where we surrender on the altar as a living sacrifice & allow our flesh and our will to die for His glory! We are warned not to grieve or quench the spirit & likewise we see the example of the man that asked for the Holy Ghost with ill motives and was rebuked for it. It comes down to our heart posture and our motives. My heart is grieved today for those entering our churches who were like me; in true bondage! They need the power of God for deliverance yet it isn’t happening in a majority of our churches anymore! The gifts of the spirit are real and desperately needed. They haven’t stopped; there’s just a lack of weak, willing vessels willing to lay down their life, their will, their sin and pleasures to seek first the kingdom of God and allow Him to move through their vessels! God is refining His body. He is separating the real from the counterfeit. His Spirit is needed in this hour. What we need is a healthy balance. We can’t throw out the baby with the bath water. We need to teach and equip the saints properly so that they understand the purpose of the Holy Spirit. It’s not about making experiences for people just to enjoy! It should bring about change that yields fruit for the kingdom of God!
@@jenniferg.7370 Amen indeed!!!
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is real especially for those of us like myself who has experienced it. I consistently have my seatbelt on tho...lol. Thanks for respectfully and honesty discussing this issue. Praying for you both.
AMEN
Same 🙏
Love Mike and his charitable approach on "secondary" issues as you say. There should be room for differences in experience and interpretation on matters like gifts. My issue with Johnson's teaching isn't in regard to gifts, it's in regard to Christ. He, like Todd White, have taught and wrote that Jesus emptied himself of his divinity while here on earth, performing his miracles and living sinlessly as a man, not as God. I was given a copy of his book Hosting the Presence by a worship leader friend and found this on page 40 of the paperback:
"He is entirely God, entirely man. But both His life and death were lived as man. What that means is that He set aside His divinity to live as a man. He was without sin and was completely dependent on the Holy Spirit. In doing this, He became a model that we could follow. If He did His great miracles as God, I'm still impressed. But I'm impressed as an observer. When I discover that He did them as man, then suddenly I am completely unsatisfied with life as I've known it. I am now compelled to follow this Jesus until the same things start happening in my life."
Rather than interpret Philippians 2:7 to mean that Jesus added a human nature to his divine nature, they take it to mean that Jesus somehow removed some or all of his divine nature during his incarnation. This is a major, major problem and Christology is not a secondary issue in our faith. This particular teaching leads to all sorts of bad theology in other areas, but stems from a fundamental error about the very nature of Christ. And that's a BIG deal and extremely dangerous teaching we should be warning others about.
Yeah this is problematic for sure.
And yet some say they preach the real , true gospel? Comprising the gospel, and the doctrine of God the Son isn’t ok. It’s not.
I love that he spoke about the charismatics the way he did. Because I was there once as a teen as well!
I was born and raised in the Charismatic Church. I too wondered about all that falling back as it never happened to me and i was like Mike. However i was hit with Holy Spirit fire and intensity at age 10 and i speak in tongues, my personal prayer language which has always been with me and never changed. Its not made up. The shaking i have experienced as well when the presence of the Holy Spirit is upon you in His power its a vibration your can't control or make up. I have had family and friends look cross at me, but as Gods honest truth its His presences so intense it wasn't me. I can only speak for myself. I believe God shows His presence in different ways as He deems fit for each person as He knows what is needed. He created us all unique in His image and we should never judge how God chooses to work in us.
Thanks for sharing
I was slain in the spirit when I was about 18 also. The church I first when to was very charismatic and they were all loving and sincere, they loved God and loved others!!
Pastor Mike lead me to yr channel. I am thankful that guys like you are serving God in this way. Praise Jesus forever🙏
Saaaame!
I've been slain in the spirit multiple times. Imo it happens when I reach a place of total surrender and it often follows up with being filled with the spirit. Feels like your insides are glowing. I'm baptised in the Holy spirit also it's one of the greatest
things to ever happen to me it still blows me away N just how it went down. My own story I wasn't into it all at first but, after I humbled my heart i started having experiences.
About twenty years ago I went up during an altar call and almost immediately went numb and passed out. I woke up laughing and crying. When I opened my eyes my dad was leaning over me smiling. All he said was 'I love you, son'. One of my greatest memories ever.
Years ago my boyfriend (at the time) & I went to a charismatic church. I was a believer & he was not. This lady who said she was a prophet came to visit the church. We went down to stage where there was a line of people in front of the stage. She went down the line & laid hands on people. She was a tiny little lady. When she laid hands on me, I wavered but I resisted falling down - my dad had always been against that kind of thing so I had mental blocks. But then I looked to my right- and my boyfriend was on the floor. She was tiny so there is no way she pushed him... like I said- he was not even a believer! I have always wondered about it. I definitely felt some kind of energy/power flowing through her hands- it made me have to bolster myself.
So happy with a shorter video! Your videos are always very interesting, but also quite long and harder to understand 🙈 this 10 min video is easier to digest lol. Thanks again so much mike!!! Love from the NETHERLANDS
I also faked falling over as a child. I’ve felt so guilty until now.
I think what we do is get so caught up in one way to get or bring us closer to God....we can and will miss what he has for us....I haven't been layed out on the floor but I have recieved the Holy Spirit and my prayer language...I have even translated the tongues that has been spoken in service. All of us are different some will receive God in different ways but the main way and only way is Jesus. .Yes I believe you... you did receive the Holy Spirit that day. Praise God.
I don’t see anywhere in the Bible that talks about being ‘slain in the spirit’. I know the Lord can sure bring us to our knees and can bring emotion out in us. But never just knock you out.
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:”
Revelation 1:17 KJV
@@dwightrucker7750 Revelation 1:17 is not an example of ‘slain in the spirit’. John “fell at his feet as though dead” out of pure emotion of seeing the Lord in all His glory. The Lord even told John to “fear not”. John was afraid. The Holy Spirit did not knock John down. John was overcome with emotion.
I think they get it from Ephesians.
Eph. 5:18And do not get drunk with wine, [a]for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to [b]one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;
I don't think it's always a genuine thing, but sometimes the Holy Spirit can affect people in different ways.
@@rh10033 Being filled with the Holy Spirit is not the same as being slain in the spirit. Everyone is filled with the Holy Spirit when they are saved/born again.
I think the revelation example is appropriate.
But always y’all essentially, don’t chase the gift, chase Jesus, gifts and other things of the Spirit are a bonus to having a personal relationship with Christ
My husband and I listen to you both all the time its awesome to see you guys together ! God bless you
We have to be gracious sure! But we can't ignore false spirits that can deceive folks into believing it's the Holy Spirit
Amen
I have been in these churches, and have even experienced it. I don’t know if it was God or psychologically/gravity that brought me down, but it was from a heart of worship. If David can worship in his underwear, people can worship on the floor. No heresy here.
This reminds me of when I was a teenager, because I went to 2 churches at the same time. I went to a Free Methodist church with my grandma on Sundays, and an Assembly of God church on Wednesdays with friends from school. My grandmas church preached that tongues were not real, and everyone who said they spoke in tongues were crazy. My friend's church said that if you didn't speak in tongues you weren't getting into heaven. Needless to say, I was confused, and felt like I had to pretend at both churches so that I would be accepted. I eventually faked tongues, and still have a hang up in my mind when it comes to them. I believe they can absolutely be real, however I don't think you have to speak in tongues to be saved, or a Varsity Christian. I go to a pretty charismatic church, and a lot of people speak in tongues there, but they don't force it on me, and they don't think less of me for not speaking in tongues. This is how it should be. Not everyone is going to have the same gifts, and we should delight in the gifts we have and not envy those who have different ones than we have.
Because the idea is that gifts are for edifying one another. All of them except tongues, which is for self edification. So we should be excited that so many in our body exhibit different gifts so we can accomplish more the kingdom. The churches that seem unhealthy to me are the ones that spend inordinate amounts of time trying to get everyone to have the same gift...tongues. That doesn't seem biblical to me at all.
I love your videos Ruslan, I love your humility and how you don't cast out any believer regardless of what sect they happen to be involved in. It's absolutely beautiful. I love Mike Winger as well. Y'all are blessed and highly anointed. I pray the Lord blesses you both abunduntly in Jesus' name amen!
Curious if either of you (Mike and Ruslan) have read Costi Hinn’s books “God, Greed and the Prosperity Gospel” and “Defining Deception”? Listening to Costi’s story of growing up as Benny Hinn’s nephew is fascinating.
We need Grace With one another. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Jesus Christ There is no other way to salvation🔥I really enjoy your thoughtful discussions
Good Stuff Ruslan! Thanks for covering this content. Way to come at these topics with humility and openess while testing as well.
That’s awesome. I went to a charismatic church for a while. They were all very sincere also. Mike is absolutely correct.
Tbh, I always wanted to speak in tongues naturally when it came and it did during spiritual warfare, I can attest that demons cannot stand it. I really do believe we make it such a big deal that people feel it has to come at a special moment, it just so happened for me, but I believe it could have came sooner, it is a gift God freely gives to all. Now, interpretation of tongues is another story, I think it is levels to a lot of things.
The sly in the spirit when I did my altar call, I felt something and kept myself from falling, I believe it is real. I actually fought it from happening. It happened at a nondenominational church. 🤷♀️
Also, one time I was standing at the grocery store and the lady in front of me was talking about how her husband just had a heart attack and the stress and staying in the hospital. The Holy Spirit nudge me to pray for her right there, all of a sudden a power came out of me, I almost fell it was so powerful. The lady began to cry and thank me and other people around scattered. The Holy Spirit is powerful. I had a talk with the Holy Spirit and was like you know you almost took me out, not death, but to the ground. God does powerful demonstrations through us, I was amazed. I couldn't imagine if I didn't do what the Holy Spirit told me to do, which was to pray for a random stranger and have the Holy Spirit manifest.
ayeeee so excited for you that you finally got Mike on the channel! loved the talk!
The courtesy fall lol
Becareful who lays hands on you,best advice I can give
Yes, good advice!
Yes!
But don't be afraid, either. . I have been healed by laying on of hands
@@matasaina2011 lies, because I let some random person lay hands on me and I should of never have done it
@@matasaina2011 you do have to be really careful who it is
This was another brilliant video thank you both😊it pains me that i havent had a supernatural experience like that or spoken in tongues(yet🙏)😔but i just cant "make" it happen!? It has to be real for me. I feel that its a gift anyway? I just pray i receive this gift one day🙏? God bless you both🙏😊
I do agree that many of the people that attend these churches are sincere in seeking Christ. There is no excuse for the Pastors and leaders of these churches that know better and don't feed their flocks.
Is it the pastors job to feed or is it a persons personal responsibility to feed themselves? At what point do you need to stop having someone feed you?
@@jakelewis7252 Yes, it actually is the Pastor's job to feed the flock. The word "pastor" derives from the Latin noun pastor which means "shepherd" and is derived from the verb pascere - "to lead to pasture, set to grazing, cause to eat". Of course that does not absolve the individual Christian from "studying to show thyself approved". As far as at what point a new Christian will eventually "feed themselves" that varies per individual. You would not fault a baby for not feeding itself and in the same way, you should not fault a "Babe in Christ" for not knowing deep doctrine.
@@matthewministry7278 Pastor has just become the universal term though. If pastor is to care for the flock, by just bringing them to a spot of “grazing” to eat, at what point does the rest of the five fold get to equip the saints for the work on the ministry?
@@jakelewis7252 You are right, Pastor has become a Universal term, but that is not what God intended. God specifically intended the definition and office of a Pastor to have a specific meaning. In the verse where we get the term " Five fold" Paul mentions 5 different "offices and talents" they are each unique, specific, and not universal. Ephesians 4:10-13
KJV
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
The problem nowadays is that many specific doctrines and commands in the Bible are considered universal when they are not. Even the word "Christian" Is now considered universal and has very little to do with faith and belief in the authority of God's word. We need to return to the old paths described in God's word.
Jeremiah 6:16
King James Version
16 Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
1corinthian 14: 27 and 28 talks about SPEAKING in TONGUES
LOL, Mike I am cracking up love your story. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for this podcast! Very helpful.
I'm always amazed when people are wary of Christians who engage in new testament practices, who believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are as taught in scripture. All of the gifts are present throughout all of Scripture except for tongues, which is given only to the Christian church.
The church whose head is Jesus Christ is holding the key to the supernatural that the world seeks. First century Christians we are told were said to have 'turned the world upside down'. That is what the message of redemption through Jesus will do, and the Spirit of God confirms his word with signs and wonders. That's Christianity, it's the Word.
Nothing has ceased except belief in the power of God. Be a believer. 🙏
I have struggled with this topic for years, this short little clip was so good 👌🏼
I am very surprised that pastor Mike says he never heard another gospel in the teachings of Bill Johnson. There are a lot of videos online that quote him definitely preaching another Jesus.
My mom came home from a service one time about 40 years ago, put the bean bag chair behind me and ever so gently Taps me on the forehead and said, "Bless him Lord." Next thing I knew I was lying on the bean bag chair. I had no idea what had happened.
1. I had some well known preacher in my area at the altar try to push me down to the floor one time. I actually pushed my shoulder back against their hand. They were shocked and appalled and moved on to the next sucker.
2. On the flipside, I was at a friend's apartment, just praying and seeking the Lord together. He gently touched my shoulder to pray for me, and an unexpected bolt of electricity ⚡ slammed into me somehow and crashed me across the table! We were both blown away, and filled with holy awe and wonder. We began to worship fervently, and from our hearts.
These are just my experiences; draw whatever conclusions you will from them. But before you do, let me throw a couple twists into the mix. The person in example 1. later apologized to me for their behavior. I forgave them. And the person in example 2. years later got offended because of a lie and totally betrayed and slandered me.
LOL life is INTERESTING, especially spiritual life!
That's definitely interesting.
@@mariak3212 my takeaway is this: our quick judgements about people and events sometimes turn out to have depth and nuance and unexpected twists and turns. God knows people's true motives. We sometimes don't need to judge so quickly, but instead let a thing bear it's fruit over time. And forgiveness is key.
This is great Ruslan loving it bro👍🙏
When I was a young Christian I worked with my brothers in law who had a painting and roofing business. My one brother in law said that he liked to sing in tongues while he was painting and asked if I liked to do the same. I was offended but couldn’t articulate why so I ignored his question and went back to painting on a different scaffold. I’m glad to hear Mike had the same experience but with much more boldness and forethought.
Hey y'all! I used to make gaming content a few years back and now I'm about to start making Christian content focused on helping people (teens/adults alike) understand the Bible + the Christian lifestyle better in a fresh way. Any tips? + Prayers are very much appreciated!
You could show gameplay in the background while having the audio discussion on whatever topic play. Maybe you could actually blend the two together. Maybe do reviews on games Christians can play comfortably/with the family etc.
I subbed 🔥🙏🏽
@@chilairearts4238 I think I'm going to focus on myself being on camera as I do video marketing for a living, but that reviews on games for Christians is GENIUS. Thank you!
@@tommy11sixorozco9 I appreciate that man, thank you Tommy! (-:
Amen gods useing you i know he is.
I dont know how Ive never heard of mike winger until now will look him up!! great video.
Embracing new age practices is not just a secondary issue.
I didn’t know Ruslan had spoken in tongues, that’s neat
Heck ye makes me like him more
What about what Bill Johnson writes in his book, claiming that Jesus was a man who denied His divinity on earth and still did signs and wonders so therefore we today can have all the power and authority Jesus did to do all His signs and wonders and rebuke demons?
I think mike covered some of this in his video
Well it says that in Philippians 2:5-8. Jesus did empty himself while he was on earth.
Thanks for being transparent RUS.
Amen the gifts have not ceased. ❤But like ruslan I do want to be biblical charismatic
Love the dialogue and your testimony Ruse🔥🔥🔥
Speaking in tongues is “a” spiritual gift but it is NOT required for one to be a true born again and Spiritually Baptized Christian, nor should it be used as a litmus test for determining who is actually a genuine child of God.
Good share guys! Thanks
Mike faking it has me crying, seen it too many times haha
But doesn't mean it's not real?
@@matasaina2011 sorry not sure what you are asking, can you clarify.
@@aurorahw7085 yes, It has happened to me but we can also stir up the gifts by starting off on our own because we have the Holy Spirit.
I was supposed to have been “slain in the spirit” when someone was going around and laying hands on people during worship at a charismatic summer camp when I was young. Everyone he laid hands on would then be “slain in the spirit”; but when he came to me, nothing happened to me, but he still physically guided me backward (I was otherwise just standing there, trying to continue worshiping) and laid me down to the floor. So then I was just lying there feeling awkward and confused about how long I should stay there, when I should get up...
😂 it happened to me with my girlfriend and we both were on the floor for a couple of minutes feeling awkward! 🤣
I don't know if speaking in tongues is for every believer (necessarily). The Bible says: Does everybody speak in tongues??
Hi Ruslan ... huge Mike fan, his teachings helped me soooo much. Lots to watch. Eeeep!! #excited. The 'I thought communion was a snack! #comedygold. HAPPY EASTER 🐣💓💛✝️🙏🇬🇧🕊
I just subscribed to you and Mike! You guys are solid!! Thanks for the content! I’ll be enjoying catching up on what you both are about and the teachings about God you both have 😁
I had a friend who went to a church that they were slayed in the spirit on the regular..
And she said, as. Child, she'd be exhausted, so she'd get slated in the spirit so she could take a quick nap at church.
This was an incredibly abusive church. Spare the rod... and they firmly believed children should be beat daily.
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Sadly, she doesn't believe at all anymore
This is a really important topic and it needs to be discussed with the Bible in clear view, a level head and a heart full of love. This is why the Holy Spirit distributes the gift of spiritual discernment. If it was simple and straight forward we could reason and logic our way through it all. No need for a special gift. Being brought up in a Pentecostal church I've witnessed many things: some good, some obviously bad. However, what we need to keep in mind is the sharp parallel between some charismatic experiences and kundalini: as practiced in Eastern religions. Scripture sets the pattern for the work of the Holy Spirit. When the pattern we see more clearly aligns with Easter mystic religion than it foes with Scripture, then we need to raise a red flag. Remember, signs and wonders are part of the counterfeit movement, and it will deceive even the elect. This topic is well worth researching for your health and the health of the church.
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@@Avery_F This isn't a red flag comment. Do your research. I'd advise you to search for 'Azusa street 1920's' and 'truth' I grew up in a pentecostal church where you weren't considered fully baptized till you spoke in tongues. As I grew older, i started to question a lot of things. Please, research for the truth before you make your decision.
@@Tariphilip I see how you misunderstood my flags lol. In truth I was red flagging this video all together, just using your comment to do so , for context. I liked your comment brother
@@Avery_F I'm sorry for misunderstanding you. 😣😣 Found out about Kundalini and it shook me
@@Tariphilip I should have been clearer. It’s my fault. I get in trouble when I don’t use my words 😊
Charismatic with a seatbelt! That's definitely me and my new favorite thing to say 😅
Definitely see it presented like a “test” always felt pressured tho growing up in the church it was really meaningful when it happened. Wasn’t because I was praying for it tho 😬 kinda feel like shouldn’t be placed as any type of expectation... rarely happened since, just what I needed in tho moment and knew
yo! dis one was solid. Mahalo!
I think people miss the point....When something changes the nature and characteristics of God, it doesn't matter your intent or "heart". Deception is deception. People need to understand what the kundalini awakening is. Bob Dewaay is a great resource. We keep trying to keep things that aren't Godly in order to justify experiences. When experience trumps scripture, it's a problem. We are afraid to tell people that their experience wasn't God. We also justify by saying "God can do anything." We know He can, but that doesn't mean He is going to do descriptive things today vs the prescribed things. Ask yourselves why would one need to pass out? Where in the bible do you see that? When we discover the origin of some of these experiences, then we discover if it's God or not. Most people dont realize that "tongues" were reintroduced in 1901-Charles Parham and William Seymour. The whole doctrine of the slaying in the spirit, second baptisms, demon casting and much more started up again with them. Barely 100 years ago. Let's properly research before we try to reason with ungodly things. I believe in the supernatural ability of God as well as the operating of the Holy Spirit. I used to be a die hard Charismatic. The problem with these secondary issues is they become foundational for people coming into the faith. They never grasp a true understanding of what's true versus mystical. They then waste time on the supernatural and never read because everything is just a prayer or manifestation away. I'm gonna take my chances on rocking with the word of God. 2 timothy 3:16-17: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. This comment may be labeled as "goofy", but that's cool too. May God keep us in His Grace's. Be blessed.
Powerful comment. Straight down the line. God bless you
I read that tongues are there well before 1900s. It was documented but not that well-documented because it was not forced into the Christian culture at that time.
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Can you let me know if the strange behavior that happened to King Saul was of God? "When it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they also prophesied. And Saul sent messengers again the third time, and they also prophesied. Then he himself went to Ramah and came to the great well that is in Secu. And he asked, “Where are Samuel and David?” And one said, “Behold, they are at Naioth in Ramah.” And he went there to Naioth in Ramah. AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD CAME UPON HIM also, and as HE WENT HE PROPHESIED until he came to Naioth in Ramah. AND HE TOO STRIPPED OFF HIS CLOTHES, AND HE TOO PROPHESIED before Samuel AND LAY NAKED ALL THAT DAY AND ALL THAT NIGHT. Thus it is said, “Is Saul also among the prophets?”
1 Samuel 19:21-24
@@emmanuelsiempre295 still doesn’t prove your charismatic view
I loved this discussion. Thank you
Group hypnosis can be a powerful thing.
Amen to all this. Thank you!
I watched all parts Mike's video about Bill Johnson and there was an instance where he questioned Bill's salvation. You might want to check on that Ruslan. Love you both.
Send me the time stamp?
Would that be because Bill Johnson teachers primary error regarding the incarnation? Not sure it's because of a secondary issue.
@@freedomramage5241 have you seen Mike Winger's video about Bill Johnson. Basically in a lot of Bill's teaching, he makes a lot of secondary issues and puts them on the front page as a part of a primary belief, then you are anathematize if you don't. Nevertheless, I'm simply referring to Mike's questioning of Bill's salvation. As full disclosure, I am on the side of those where I believe that Bill Johnson is one of the many wolves in sheep's clothing.
The same spirit that prompts a Charismatic to speak in tongues, also later prompts that same person to prophecy. But the prophecies are overwhelmingly false... Why then should I trust that spirit when being moved to speak in tongues?
The special gifts of the holy spirit ceased a very long time ago.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease;
With the Bible now available in practically all the world languages, the need for tongues doesn't arise anymore. Each person can read the Bible in their own language.
Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230 I disagree. There is still a need for real foreign language tongues (not the characteristic prayer tongues) there are languages (like mine) where the bible hasn't been translated into. (Most of my people (a small tribe in Africa) can't even read their own language.
That said, I've heard of two occurences where people spoke in foreign language tongues while ministering and they were understood by the recipients (unsaved people at the time of the occurrence). One was a tribal missionary. The other spoke to a guy in a Taxi. Real tongues, I believe, is a sign to the unbeliever.
@@Tariphilip I have actually heard a similar thing. I was referring to the modern idea of tongues.
I been Slain in the spirit many times i pray that God gives me a Fresh anointing fresh fire it's been a long time since..somethings it can be a show but no doubt the Holy spirit does come on you and lay you out
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Ruslan, would you say this was the Holy Spirit and something we see in the Bible? You passing out/unconscious? I ask because I never see in Acts where anyone falls down unconscious then speaks in tongues. I grew up at a Pentecostal church watching people passing out left and right, people violently dancing and jerking and heard what were called "tongues". My dad once I believe interpreted tongues, at least he says he did. I cant recall hearing the gospel at all, if ever, but it was always about people being healed and God wants to prosper you. The Lord later later led me to a church where it was all Jesus, the gospel and "grace through faith in Christ and His work alone", a "baptist" church though I wouldn't call myself any denomination per say, just a man who trusts in Christ. Baptists sometimes don't believe the gifts of healing, tongues, etc that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians are for today. I don't know if I have been burnt from what I witnessed as a youth that didn't always look like the Bible or what but I def believe the gifts are still for today I just question often times the genuineness of those who say they have those gifts. I say all that to ask again, you do believe this was something that Jesus was doing with you? No hate.
I think it was God yes.
Have you ever read this about King Saul? This was unusual, but it says it was the Spirit of God. "Then he himself [Saul] went to Ramah and came to the great well that is in Secu. And he asked, “Where are Samuel and David?” And one said, “Behold, they are at Naioth in Ramah.” And he went there to Naioth in Ramah. And the Spirit of God came upon him also, and as he went he prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah. And he too stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay naked all that day and all that night. Thus it is said, “Is Saul also among the prophets?”
1 Samuel 19:22-24 ESV
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Ruslan: “So yeah I lost control of my body, and started babbling”
Mike: “that’s not the fruit of the spirit but you do you bro.”
😭😭😭 not quiet how it went back ok
@Rachel Davidson yeah in context it's referring to the flesh
I had the same experience 2009~2010. It was God.
@@PepeLeFunk not arguing with you on any points. I just ask that the ultimate authority of all your experiences you claim to be biblical to be found in the Bible. Falling back, being slain, and babbling isn’t found anywhere in scripture at least by believers.
@@WetPhart I never forget when our teacher in the Bible school i was, when I was fascinated with the whole charismatic stuff and how Pentecostal people were saying about this falling backwards, he said to us: if you read the Bible form the beginning to an end you will never find anyone falling backwards under the power of God it is always to your knees...
Theology and biblioligy and things we trust by Faith hard but I'd love the balance.
As a charismatic myself, this was an extremely encouraging clip
I attended Bethel School from 07-09' and loved so much but definately did not agree with everything spoken. Never heard anything from Bill Johnson's mouth I could disagree or refute just personally but a few other leaders I did disagree and sometimes or often would question much of what I saw as far as manifestations. But I have definately manifested many times.. I don't throw any of that out. Praise God. He still Lives and moves on His people today! And is the same yesterday today and forever.
Love this! When we don’t throw Christians away because we disagree with a portion of their theology or one of their actions, it’s a sign of maturity. I’m sure Bill Johnson has to have a lot of patience for Christians who tear him down constantly. Fruit is the sign. Good or bad? Time will tell.
Lol.... The faked part was the funniest 🤣🤣🤣
One of the funniest stories this brings to mind has to be about my sisters and I when we were pretty young. We left the church because it was getting super late & our 9/10 year old attention span wasn't the best, and were waiting in the car for our parents. Fast forward a little bit when suddenly we started hearing super weird loud sounds coming from the church building, like wailing & other unintelligible noises. Anyways, raised in a house hold that learnt about demons & all that, the three of us were scared beyond words and like any God fearing little girls we started crying & praying in the car. I don't even think we asked our parents for clarification when they got back but sometime later we found out that people were just being slayed in the spirit & blowing on rams horns - you know, super normal charismatic church stuff.
Someone told me that speaking in tongues is a way of speaking to God or angels. And I keep on looking for any scriptures for it. Maybe you can give me some? To study it through God's word. Thank you. God bless your ministry. 😊
Speaking in tongues isn't mumbling something.. It's real. When the spirit of the Lord comes, you automatically speak in tongues., the spirit helps us in our weakness, and sets you free.
Honest question... If you believe in all sorts of spirits, how do you know which spirit or type of spirit has entered you? If you're inviting spirits into you and your life isn't better 100% of three time, what spirit is in you?
@@dustinellerbe4125 The spirit of the lord sets you free from all entanglements, helps you seek the lord fervently and helps you build your prayer life, faith in the Lord, and grow in line with the fruits of the spirit mentioned in Galatians ch 5.,
I would encourage you to listen to Zac Poonen, CFC India.
@@flameofchrist how do you know which spirit it is?? You don’t know is my point.
@@dustinellerbe4125 If you believe in all sorts of spirits and if you're inviting spirits, you're not even a Christian.
If you're desiring to grow in Christ. Read the scriptures, meditate and ask your honest questions to God. Be honest with God.
@@dustinellerbe4125 If the spirit is bringing you closer to God then you know it's from him. There's fruit that comes from God's spirit. Galatians 5:22-26.
“JV Christian” I’m rolling on the floor 😂😂
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this was great!!