"You can't socialize dogs like cats and then call society 'problematic' when dogs struggle to act as cat-like as a cat. Or call them trash when they become confused and depressed." 💯
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Come on. Neel is acting as a sociological intellectual and social commentator. Representing the inlightened centrist. He's been playing that roll for years now with the sex cells podcast. More social commentators like him will come.
@@DanielHatchman I'm leaning hard right on social and financial issues, but what's wrong with being a centrist? I actually enjoy a discussion with balanced arguments for both/all sides, so you can make up your own mind. It's frustrating that you have to subscribe to a whole believe set and if you have a different opinion on a few things you will be an outcast...
I think a lot of it can be explored/understood through Jung's writing. About the inner self, which is often dark, but you shouldn't just supress it, you should face it and come to terms with it.
@@mitchywraps6373 There really isn't a beginner level to Jung, you really just need to get in there and experience it for yourself. I'm no smarty, but I read Jung, Nietzsche and Dostoevsky and enjoy them in a masochistic kind of way. Try Beyond Good and Evil by Dostoevsky as a starter (be warned it my break your brain a little) and a lot of the concepts in other works will make sense.
Really interesting video. I recently read the comments on a clip of Andrew Tate and was really concerned by the intensity of their support for him given the current circumstances. This is such an important issue and I think this video provides a really balanced overlook and strong argument
Last year I heard from a UA-camr something I never thought about it - empathy is not a positive characteristic, it's a neutral one. It makes a lot of sense. It's just the ability to understand another person's feelings. There's nothing that prevents something from using their empathy for evil. You can use it to manipulate people. Compassion is probably the word more people should be using in place of empathy.
Just making this as an additional point. As a science communicator, this is something that is very frustrating when looking at how people "communicate" their ideas/ideologies. No one is going to listen to you if you villainise the person you are trying to convince; whether is be a gender discussion, climate change, vaccinations- all the way up to checking out a music artist. This is why I think people are going to keep on following people like Andrew Tate because they have been villainised rather than allowed to have a discussion. And to women this seems very unfair when you consider their voices have been taken away for centuries. And it is. But everyone has to be smart about it. It will take longer, but you will less likely to end up with this extremist backfire.
The lie that women's 'voices' have been 'taken away for centuries' is getting old. Who's voice was heard for centuries? The average man's? As he endured life as a beast of burden, worked and earned and provided and protected? My parents were born in the 1920's. My father fought in WWII. My mother was a nurse. She was in nursing school while he was on a ship in the Pacific fighting a war. Women worked in factories during the war. After that they willingly left those labor intensive jobs to raise children and run the home. In my childhood my home was run by mom, not dad. As were the homes of my friends. The men pretty much shut up and got out of the way. No birth control, but the wife mostly decided the sex schedule and the husband dealt with it...if for no other reason than she could tell him when she was safe from adding another mouth to his financial responsibilities. It was, in the past, for most women and men a much more cooperative endeavor. It had to be in many ways. Nothing is perfect. But my childhood was never fraught with anxiety over losing my current life to divorce of mom and dad. Very few friends had divorced parents. We felt bad for the ones that did and they tried not to talk about it.
I don't enjoy their company, so I don't do that. I don't have any trust in them, so I don't do that as well. 'society' commend and condemn me at the same time.
Really impressive one neel and I'd consider myself a female feminist (not radical). Thanks for coming at this rationally and still acknowledging the female perspective. Also thanks for putting the book recs in too
@@warbler1984 He's talking about Wachowski Brothers who made all 4 Matrix movies. They are progressive and both think they're women now, that's why they hate the Red Pill movement, because it generally leans politically to the right.
What’s even worse is, assuming it’s directly based off the movies, red pill completely falls apart logically once you compare the Matrix to the real world of the Matrix.
Decent commentary on both sides. However, it still leaves the question of, where do we go from here? I'll be the first to admit, before social media and the rise of this latest wave of feminism, there was a lot of bad male behaviour in the western world. Change was necessary, and for a few years, it seemed male and female relations weren't too bad. But the pendulum has swung too far. Social media has enabled the worst parts of female nature to come out, and pornography and video games have decimated male drive and self-esteem. For years nobody would stand up and talk about the problem. Until Andrew Tate came around and grabbed everyone's attention with an online persona of "toxic" masculinity. Living at the extreme is never healthy on both sides of the spectrum. There needs to be rational discourse, where the benefits of both sides are appreciated. Unfortunately, when one side moves further away, the other feels compelled to respond in kind. It's incredibly juvenile, but it's human nature. There won't be a future until we can look ourselves in the eye, see the darkness, and be willing to move forward.
I disagree that there won't be a future. There will be a future. It will be imposed by someone. My money, long term, is on males. The Tate perspective is gaining a very strong foothold in among male teens. Males are not anxious and shy by nature by and large. The group now heading into their thirties was programmed for that and it was new and it worked for a while. Younger males have a higher immunity to it. 'Feminism' or whatever you want to call it relies on restraining male confidence (real or imagined) and male physicality. Teen males are inhaling those traits from men like Tate. There are also more stay at home fathers, they raise boys differently than women. In fact, 'feminism' and the push away from child rearing by women may be the seed of destruction of 'feminist' goals. Men have traditionally been controlled through boyhood training by mothers, female teachers...essentially a female run world in their formative years. Women have given that up willingly and there are unexpected consequences. It's recent tradition that children of broken homes blame the father and have little sympathy for men. The latest batch of male teens, many raised solely by mom (working, dating, a bit of actual mothering) have little sympathy for her when they look at their situation. It has gone from my 'sperm donor' abandoned us to now - mom kicked dad out and got run through by a lot of new boyfriends. This carries over to a view of women that mirrors the 'feminist' view of men.
in the beginning, both feminists and tate are both wrong and right. because the reality is most modern men today are neither of feminist ideal or tate ideal. I think men now needs to regain our healthy masculine trait to become true men, and yet also be better than men in ancient time, it's to become kinder, wiser, subtle and sympathetic, and mostly managing our own emotions.
What the weak see as a lack of empathy, the strong see as justice. There is a time and place for empathy but that time is not all the time and the place cannot be everywhere. The weak of society, male and female alike universally believe that being compassionate is justified no matter the circumstances and since the majority of people are weak willed they at best are either indifferent to compassion or justice or are unable to control their impulse to indiscriminately empathize. Empathy and justice are neither masculine or feminine, they are human characteristics. A society built around justice benefits the strongest, while a society built around compassion benefits the weakest of humanity. Water always finds its lowest level. In a social zeitgeist where self-abnegation to the collective is the rule, who benefits from that sacrifice? How can a society that values mercy and compassion over one that values justice persist?
Great video. Agree with some of what was said. I would have to call out, you confirmed many times that there are toxic men, bad men, toxic masculinity, and misogynistic men. If you are thinking on equal terms, this would be balanced out with terms like toxic women, toxic feminism, bad women, and misandric women. If you don't want to use all those negative female terms, might want to pull back on the male negative terms...if you want a perfectly balanced system...you have to change your language to be balanced too. As for red pill groups, you would be more concise to say P.U.A.s (Pick Up Artists) they want to use the toxic feminist system (Tate teaches them how to win in this current system). As the other red pill groups M.R.M.s (Men's Rights Movement) want to change the system to a different but equal balance (sounds like your video) and M.G.T.O.W. (Men Going There Own Way) the reached a breaking point, just want to leave the system (opting to stop dating), and to be left alone to self improve (many voluntary celibates).
Only partway through, but I find a good way to compare men and women’s biological difference with regards to suppressing instincts and/or needs is dog breeds. A kelpie or heeler or working dog such as sheepdog/cattledog has different psychosocial needs to a labrador or other non-working dog breed, because they have been bred by humans to have those needs in order to work like we want them to. A labrador makes a poor working dog, and while working dogs can be good indoor pets, they need a lot of maintenance and exercise to function as such. Does this mean then that either breed or classification is unworthy of attention, love and care? Fuck no.
I do agree on one thing tho. Okay,, not what you said, but, it's implied. We need to cut of access of our people, to american culture. That would solve all the problems
i don't agree with everything Top G says but i think his main message being: to step up as man, be strong, provide and be a leader is definitely what a lot of young men need to hear especially as you pointed out, in a post 'me too; all men are trash' era. A lot of young males lack the guidance and leadership that we desperately need. That's why a lot of men worldwide can resonate with Tate's message
See, that's the problem. A lot of young men need that fairly obvious lesson, so a grifter like tate fills the market to push his brand marketing and ideologies under the guise of obvious advice
Problem with Andrew is he says lots of stupid things and every some time he says something with actual sense, and well, of course if I start shooting without aiming a minigun I will end up reaching the target 2 or 3 times. Most of Andrew messages and ideals are honestly harmful or toxic, so we shouldn't take him as a figure to follow, instead we should take the few ideas that actually make sense and work from there
@@mathieul4303 He is a grifter. There's footage of him bragging about how he instructed his camgirls to pretend to be interested in meeting up with these guys so they can trick them into sending them money for visas and flights. That's beyond grifting that's straight up scamming.
Read through the comments to see if I misheard this video and it looks like it's 50/50. You start with the premise that there is such a thing as 'toxic masculinity' and that men would be better off having more feminine traits, crying was an example, why is a heightened emotional state better than stoicism. I have cried in the past when I have had to have my dogs put down but other than that I've seen no other occasion crying would have made the situation ant better. Thanks for the content all the same.
One thing I heavily disagree on, we do not need increased foreign migrant flows We need already existing populations to step up their birthrate, and a general DECREASE in migration
Neel didn't say anything about increasing immigration, he said immigration happens and its mostly coming from problematic cultures when mixed with western values. Also I absolutely disagree with raising birth rates. If anything we should make other parts of the world decrease their birth rates. Humans, being economic factors, are also subject to the rules of supply and demand. Meaning that if we overpopulate, the value of every single human is reduced.
Yes. It's called being your own person and using your god given intelligence+empathy to progress. These red pillers are complete idiots who think we are naturally a bunch of animalistic tribals. I'm an MRA by the way.
You kind of lost me when you referred to Carole Hooven and Louann Brizendine. Considering Hooven has been active in the gender critical movement I would be wary of her intentions and research. I have read a lot of material from GCs that often twist the facts and are written by people who do not go in with objectivity. And chances are a bit of sleuthing will show Hooven is no exception. Brizendine's research I know has been questioned by many in science and academia. She has been criticized for singling out certain behaviours and exaggerating them to fit her narrative. Even she herself has stated that she might have gotten her facts wrong, saying "The male and female brain are most likely alike. We are the same species after all." You say research has shown men behave the way they do because of biology, but have you ever doubled check to see what they say checks out? Have you actually read any rebuttals to people like Hooven and Brizendine? It's easy to say "The research proves my points", but how can you be sure?
This is really interesting from a non-gender conforming/trans perspective when Neel says male and female brain, there is a very new study with neurosciences looking into cis and trans brains due to the popularity of MRI. These studies have shown that male and female brain patterns are (unsurprisingly) a spectrum. And that transmale brain patterns mirror cismen brains, and vice versa. So while what Neel says is very true, completely separating male and females as so completely different mental processing isn't very accurate. It's more of a spectrum, which makes this discussion more complex, but also more interesting when thinking about how to optimise our society to have all types of brains most useful/comfortable.
"Faminist" society taught me: - to not strive to stop being fat, "it's the inside that counts" - to not strive to be handsome, "women are not shallow" - to not strive to be rich and successful, "capitalism bad" - to not strive to be masculine, "that's toxic" The red/black pill saved me from these lies.
1. If you want to lose weight and get in shape that’s great! Body positivity means not making fun of other people for how they look. Trust me they know and pointing it out won’t help them get in shape. 2. Handsome is incredibly subjective. You should strive to look good to your own standards to boost your own confidence. But don’t expect all women to have the same preferences for physical appearance. People have wildly different opinions on pretty much everything. But that means there is probably some women out there that find you good looking already. 3. You can strive to be successful within the economic system you are forced to participate in while at the same time acknowledging that the system is deeply flawed. 4. The phrase “toxic masculinity “ does not mean that masculinity is toxic, it means that some people have an unhealthy idea of masculinity that causes them to do things that are harmful to themselves and others. Toxic masculinity says things like men can’t show emotion or men don’t eat vegetables. Positive masculinity says things like a man treats his wife right and a man looks out for his bros.
@@film9491 1. It was very good for me when I was made fun of. It motivated me to research what is the actual cause of obesity, not the lies spread by "doctors". 2. It is not subjective at all - since love is an instinct. Studies have been done, including on blind people. Most women will find Brad Pit and Henry Cavill attractive, no matter how much you lie and spout empty platitudes. 3. That is insanity, capitalism is great. Not perfect, but nothing is. I lived for ten years in a beautiful communist country and it's much worse both in theory and in practice. 4. Men should not show emotions (look up the feminist whose boyfriend wore a wedding dress) and most vegetables are not good for you (starch and vegetable oil are dangerous). You are deeply wrong at every level.
I don't care for Andrew Tate, I just reject this sex-obsessed, yet emasculating society and focus on my body, my hobbies, my work and my friends. Sex without emotional connection is no better than jerking off, so jerking off is all that I do until a woman likes me enough to want me. I think this is the sanest lifestyle a young man can have nowadays.
The Red Pill is not an ideology, nor a philosophy. It is a praxeology, best described by Rollo Tomassi, the author of the Rational Male series you mentioned. I would urge everyone to read his work. To many false actors pervert the term 'Red Pill'. I won't accuse you Neel of doing the same. But there are many who do and I agree more will emerge, but most of these will be disingenuous. Rollo's work is the most sincere and arguably, the most credible.
See this is how I know that this video had a point, because I'm sitting here like "this video was leaning way to hard into just saying "THE LEFT NEEDS TO STRAIGHTEN UP OR WE'LL BEAT YOU INTO SUBMISSION!!" and here you are like "KOLHATKATR MUST BE LIQUIDATED! THE RED PILL IS THE ONLY TRUE WAY! DESTROY ALL WHO OPPOSE US!!!!" A good mix.
The issue is it goes too far the other way. It laces good advice with bad advice. Tate has made it normal to say 'go to the gym' and 'pursue your dreams' along with 'your girlfriend is your property.'
I agree that men have currently gotten socially short end of the stick, but men, do you people complain about this. Be a man if that's what you want to be. Be a sigma, and as everyone is attacking you, just go on. The reason so many men feel the need to comply to social pressure is our diet. Highly processed foods, packed in plastic and cooked in teflon. Many of those chemicals are rather similar to female hormones. This makes men soft, but, in women, it prevents production of real hormones, cause the body is deluded into thinking it has enough. So, yeah, if you want to be more masculine, you need to learn to cook, and stop complaining. Women have been in your position for generations, for tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of years. It's no wonder so many women act masculine. Can you name one, ONE female rolemodel you've had growing up? You can't, but not cause "boys don't have female role models" - it's cause there are none. So any woman who wasn't into dolls and make up and instead liked tools, or tech, or sports, could only have had male role models, which then dictates they act like men. Men on the other hand have a full written history of awesome role models, and they choose to follow andrew tate? like being narcissist is now considered masculine? why not emulate Galilei, or Newton, or da Vinci, or if you want something more modern, Picasso, Tesla, or Sagan. See, it's really easy from the top of my head to come up with awesome male role models, but female? Like, in my country, during ww1, there was this one lady, she pretended to be her brother and went to war, and they only figured out once she was wounded that she was a she. They then tried to send her back home, but she stood in front of some general's door, and wouldn't budge no matter what, so they allowed her to go back to the front. She like, in two instances armed with rifle only, jumped 20 enemy combatants in bunkers, and both times came back with 20 prisoners. She was a dragon lady (in our culture, children of dragons and women, are national heroes, we call those dragons "zmay"), anywho, she was a warrior, and if that's your thing, then she can be your role model, but that's really uncommon. Most girls emulate men in working with tools or being sporty, and you'd have hard time finding such role models. So, there's really no excuse to be pumped up mirror boy like tate, you can be a sigma, like afore mentioned guys, or, omg, Niels Bohr! he's my fav. He had that really simplified theory of structure of atoms, where atoms are like tiny planets with satelites, anywho, he was also hilarious, and an athlete and he's fully rounded role model for any boy out there. or girl Don't tell me marie curie is a female role model, all we do know about her is that she overexposed her self to radiation and died of cancer. You can't tell me a single anecdote from her life or anything making her seem human. She's best known for number of nobel's she won, and for the mistake that cost her her life. No one wants to end like her.
There is a paucity of female role models in terms of knowledge work because women on average have a tighter iq spread, so you get less number of outliers. Men have a higher spread, so you get more r*tards and more geniuses, i.e. more outliers. On the physical side men are just objectively better, more suited to physical activities. It's to do with the structure of the pelvic bone and childbirth, muscle mass, bone strength and a ton of other factors associated with androgen exposure.
My problem with Andrew Tate is that he's the most corny dude on planet Earth. Watching and listening to him makes me cringe so badly that any valid points he might make are drowned out by his painful dorky routine.
When you keep calling people dicks you push them towards anyone who isn't doing that. That's where Trump came from and the concerning thing is nobody acknowledged that and nobody is doing anything better.
As a genderfluid person, I find this branch of psychology very interesting. While I can’t confirm the legitimacy of studies that have says transgender people’s brains are closer to their gender than their sex as I haven’t done enough research on that subject, in my own experience, I can feel my brain change as my gender does. I rarely feel masculine but when I do I think about things differently and like to spend my time differently, I find it less enjoyable and easy to work in groups with people, and while I’m just as emotional either way it’s easier to ignore those emotions if I’m not feminine. I know if I feel this way and notice the way I think change then other people probably do to, and getting transgender people, especially non-binary and genderfluid people in on these kind of studies could probably be really eye-opening. Great video. The most important thing in all of this I think is balance. Once we can finally get it into the general public’s mind what femininity and masculinity actually, are especially toxic and nontoxic, we can finally advance from this issue socially.
Just to add on you're first point. It is a really new study done due to MRI popularity which shows that male and female brains are a spectrum, and that transgender brains function closer to that of their gender than assigned sex at birth. Unfortunately this is not well known yet because 1. We only started scientifically proving this recently due to previously not having the technology to look into brains 2. Funding and popularity due to people not wanting to consider trans or intersex people :(
I think we need more men like andrew tate. there are so many men that are depressed and sucidal because of how society is and society will do nothing to help them but blame them for being men.
He was arrested on charges of rape and human trafficking, and you think the world needs more men like him? Sure, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but even the way he talks about women is fucking disgusting.
"You can't socialize dogs like cats and then call society 'problematic' when dogs struggle to act as cat-like as a cat. Or call them trash when they become confused and depressed." 💯
We have a new UA-cam channel for S3X Cells - www.youtube.com/@sexcellspodcast
You should have one for neel and jordan 🙏
I just realized I've been subscribed to this channel with all notifications turned on for what I think would be years. Yet, I haven't gotten any notifications. I completely forgot about this channel.
time to bingewatch some old content haha
This is some of the most prescient analysis I've seen from you. Very cool.
legend, keep spreading awareness brother, doing gods work
It's a sad world when comedians are the only ones willing and able to tell us the truth...
Come on. Neel is acting as a sociological intellectual and social commentator. Representing the inlightened centrist. He's been playing that roll for years now with the sex cells podcast. More social commentators like him will come.
Not to slag him too much but he's a better commenter than comedian.
@@DanielHatchman I'm leaning hard right on social and financial issues, but what's wrong with being a centrist? I actually enjoy a discussion with balanced arguments for both/all sides, so you can make up your own mind. It's frustrating that you have to subscribe to a whole believe set and if you have a different opinion on a few things you will be an outcast...
Comedians have always been the truth tellers. That's why they've been attacking them for forever.
we're in a post-modern world, brother.
I think a lot of it can be explored/understood through Jung's writing. About the inner self, which is often dark, but you shouldn't just supress it, you should face it and come to terms with it.
Got any book recommendations for beginner level of Jung ?
@@mitchywraps6373 There really isn't a beginner level to Jung, you really just need to get in there and experience it for yourself. I'm no smarty, but I read Jung, Nietzsche and Dostoevsky and enjoy them in a masochistic kind of way.
Try Beyond Good and Evil by Dostoevsky as a starter (be warned it my break your brain a little) and a lot of the concepts in other works will make sense.
@@mitchywraps6373 man and his symbols is one of the best places to start, honestly
Masterful work sir. Well written
Well said and well researched. Great work Neel!
Very solid, levelheaded take.
Absolute banger Neel 💥
Hats off 🎩
Keep ‘em coming!
Thank you for the sources, the reviews for Tomassi's books are a bit scary... great video format!
I recommend the first one
Great analysis.
Really interesting video. I recently read the comments on a clip of Andrew Tate and was really concerned by the intensity of their support for him given the current circumstances. This is such an important issue and I think this video provides a really balanced overlook and strong argument
This is great!!!!!
The more years that go by, the more I come to terms with the fact womens 'empathy' looks a lot like sympathy. A wolf in sheep's clothing.
They only have maternal empathy. Everything else is to appear virtuous to stay safely within social network
Last year I heard from a UA-camr something I never thought about it - empathy is not a positive characteristic, it's a neutral one. It makes a lot of sense. It's just the ability to understand another person's feelings. There's nothing that prevents something from using their empathy for evil. You can use it to manipulate people. Compassion is probably the word more people should be using in place of empathy.
@@noglobo And you'd know that for sure how exactly?
@@tabeebyeamin9986 XD being able to understand someone else isn't a positive characteristic? Sure bud
what do you mean?
Brilliant !!!
Very well writen essay, have shared it but i dont think many will watch because its such a politicaly charged topic. Nice work Neel
Just making this as an additional point.
As a science communicator, this is something that is very frustrating when looking at how people "communicate" their ideas/ideologies. No one is going to listen to you if you villainise the person you are trying to convince; whether is be a gender discussion, climate change, vaccinations- all the way up to checking out a music artist.
This is why I think people are going to keep on following people like Andrew Tate because they have been villainised rather than allowed to have a discussion. And to women this seems very unfair when you consider their voices have been taken away for centuries. And it is. But everyone has to be smart about it. It will take longer, but you will less likely to end up with this extremist backfire.
The lie that women's 'voices' have been 'taken away for centuries' is getting old.
Who's voice was heard for centuries? The average man's? As he endured life as a beast of burden, worked and earned and provided and protected?
My parents were born in the 1920's. My father fought in WWII. My mother was a nurse. She was in nursing school while he was on a ship in the Pacific fighting a war. Women worked in factories during the war. After that they willingly left those labor intensive jobs to raise children and run the home.
In my childhood my home was run by mom, not dad. As were the homes of my friends. The men pretty much shut up and got out of the way. No birth control, but the wife mostly decided the sex schedule and the husband dealt with it...if for no other reason than she could tell him when she was safe from adding another mouth to his financial responsibilities.
It was, in the past, for most women and men a much more cooperative endeavor. It had to be in many ways. Nothing is perfect. But my childhood was never fraught with anxiety over losing my current life to divorce of mom and dad. Very few friends had divorced parents. We felt bad for the ones that did and they tried not to talk about it.
This was well thought out. Please continue to study and do research on our (humanity's) future direction; its intriguing 🤔
The answer to everything is to find the right balance. Society is extremely unbalanced right now.
Yes there is lots of division especially on the cultural front in Australia
I don't enjoy their company, so I don't do that.
I don't have any trust in them, so I don't do that as well.
'society' commend and condemn me at the same time.
Rollo Tomasi is a character from LA Confidential.
Really impressive one neel and I'd consider myself a female feminist (not radical). Thanks for coming at this rationally and still acknowledging the female perspective. Also thanks for putting the book recs in too
Yeah. Because all that matters is how a feminist feels. It's not like facts matter more than feelings.
The creators of the Matrix really hate the way red pill is now being used
The Matrix...really do ya listen to yourself? You're just swallowing another ideology, another Matrix....you're no different
@@warbler1984 He's talking about Wachowski Brothers who made all 4 Matrix movies. They are progressive and both think they're women now, that's why they hate the Red Pill movement, because it generally leans politically to the right.
What’s even worse is, assuming it’s directly based off the movies, red pill completely falls apart logically once you compare the Matrix to the real world of the Matrix.
on point
Decent commentary on both sides. However, it still leaves the question of, where do we go from here?
I'll be the first to admit, before social media and the rise of this latest wave of feminism, there was a lot of bad male behaviour in the western world.
Change was necessary, and for a few years, it seemed male and female relations weren't too bad.
But the pendulum has swung too far. Social media has enabled the worst parts of female nature to come out, and pornography and video games have decimated male drive and self-esteem.
For years nobody would stand up and talk about the problem. Until Andrew Tate came around and grabbed everyone's attention with an online persona of "toxic" masculinity.
Living at the extreme is never healthy on both sides of the spectrum. There needs to be rational discourse, where the benefits of both sides are appreciated.
Unfortunately, when one side moves further away, the other feels compelled to respond in kind. It's incredibly juvenile, but it's human nature.
There won't be a future until we can look ourselves in the eye, see the darkness, and be willing to move forward.
I disagree that there won't be a future. There will be a future. It will be imposed by someone. My money, long term, is on males.
The Tate perspective is gaining a very strong foothold in among male teens. Males are not anxious and shy by nature by and large. The group now heading into their thirties was programmed for that and it was new and it worked for a while. Younger males have a higher immunity to it.
'Feminism' or whatever you want to call it relies on restraining male confidence (real or imagined) and male physicality. Teen males are inhaling those traits from men like Tate. There are also more stay at home fathers, they raise boys differently than women. In fact, 'feminism' and the push away from child rearing by women may be the seed of destruction of 'feminist' goals. Men have traditionally been controlled through boyhood training by mothers, female teachers...essentially a female run world in their formative years. Women have given that up willingly and there are unexpected consequences.
It's recent tradition that children of broken homes blame the father and have little sympathy for men. The latest batch of male teens, many raised solely by mom (working, dating, a bit of actual mothering) have little sympathy for her when they look at their situation. It has gone from my 'sperm donor' abandoned us to now - mom kicked dad out and got run through by a lot of new boyfriends.
This carries over to a view of women that mirrors the 'feminist' view of men.
What happened to the 3 other videos in the playlist?
in the beginning, both feminists and tate are both wrong and right. because the reality is most modern men today are neither of feminist ideal or tate ideal.
I think men now needs to regain our healthy masculine trait to become true men, and yet also be better than men in ancient time, it's to become kinder, wiser, subtle and sympathetic, and mostly managing our own emotions.
Does anyone know the name of song playing from the start?
What the weak see as a lack of empathy, the strong see as justice. There is a time and place for empathy but that time is not all the time and the place cannot be everywhere. The weak of society, male and female alike universally believe that being compassionate is justified no matter the circumstances and since the majority of people are weak willed they at best are either indifferent to compassion or justice or are unable to control their impulse to indiscriminately empathize. Empathy and justice are neither masculine or feminine, they are human characteristics. A society built around justice benefits the strongest, while a society built around compassion benefits the weakest of humanity.
Water always finds its lowest level. In a social zeitgeist where self-abnegation to the collective is the rule, who benefits from that sacrifice? How can a society that values mercy and compassion over one that values justice persist?
Blank Slate is called Taubla Rasa.
Great video. Agree with some of what was said. I would have to call out, you confirmed many times that there are toxic men, bad men, toxic masculinity, and misogynistic men. If you are thinking on equal terms, this would be balanced out with terms like toxic women, toxic feminism, bad women, and misandric women. If you don't want to use all those negative female terms, might want to pull back on the male negative terms...if you want a perfectly balanced system...you have to change your language to be balanced too.
As for red pill groups, you would be more concise to say P.U.A.s (Pick Up Artists) they want to use the toxic feminist system (Tate teaches them how to win in this current system). As the other red pill groups M.R.M.s (Men's Rights Movement) want to change the system to a different but equal balance (sounds like your video) and M.G.T.O.W. (Men Going There Own Way) the reached a breaking point, just want to leave the system (opting to stop dating), and to be left alone to self improve (many voluntary celibates).
Only partway through, but I find a good way to compare men and women’s biological difference with regards to suppressing instincts and/or needs is dog breeds. A kelpie or heeler or working dog such as sheepdog/cattledog has different psychosocial needs to a labrador or other non-working dog breed, because they have been bred by humans to have those needs in order to work like we want them to. A labrador makes a poor working dog, and while working dogs can be good indoor pets, they need a lot of maintenance and exercise to function as such.
Does this mean then that either breed or classification is unworthy of attention, love and care? Fuck no.
"Oh just give them what they want! Keep them quiet."
Until the masculinity crisis is taken seriously, Andrew Tate and people like him will always have an audience.
I do agree on one thing tho. Okay,, not what you said, but, it's implied. We need to cut of access of our people, to american culture. That would solve all the problems
It's getting worse because the existence of State
i don't agree with everything Top G says but i think his main message being: to step up as man, be strong, provide and be a leader is definitely what a lot of young men need to hear especially as you pointed out, in a post 'me too; all men are trash' era. A lot of young males lack the guidance and leadership that we desperately need. That's why a lot of men worldwide can resonate with Tate's message
See, that's the problem. A lot of young men need that fairly obvious lesson, so a grifter like tate fills the market to push his brand marketing and ideologies under the guise of obvious advice
@@celestialowl8865 Stop putting labels to the man. He's not a gritfer
@@mathieul4303 LOL
Problem with Andrew is he says lots of stupid things and every some time he says something with actual sense, and well, of course if I start shooting without aiming a minigun I will end up reaching the target 2 or 3 times.
Most of Andrew messages and ideals are honestly harmful or toxic, so we shouldn't take him as a figure to follow, instead we should take the few ideas that actually make sense and work from there
@@mathieul4303 He is a grifter. There's footage of him bragging about how he instructed his camgirls to pretend to be interested in meeting up with these guys so they can trick them into sending them money for visas and flights. That's beyond grifting that's straight up scamming.
Wow a comedian has the best take on all of this.
Well put Neel.
Read through the comments to see if I misheard this video and it looks like it's 50/50. You start with the premise that there is such a thing as 'toxic masculinity' and that men would be better off having more feminine traits, crying was an example, why is a heightened emotional state better than stoicism. I have cried in the past when I have had to have my dogs put down but other than that I've seen no other occasion crying would have made the situation ant better. Thanks for the content all the same.
11:10 interestingly Marx himself admitted this
One thing I heavily disagree on, we do not need increased foreign migrant flows
We need already existing populations to step up their birthrate, and a general DECREASE in migration
Your dream is unrealistic.
@Ubu Box my dream is to have a wife and kids
First part comes true in two months' time, second part shortly after, I'd say it's going pretty well
@@marcusaustralius2416 Good for you, but I know that you know that was not what I was referring to.
Neel didn't say anything about increasing immigration, he said immigration happens and its mostly coming from problematic cultures when mixed with western values. Also I absolutely disagree with raising birth rates. If anything we should make other parts of the world decrease their birth rates. Humans, being economic factors, are also subject to the rules of supply and demand. Meaning that if we overpopulate, the value of every single human is reduced.
Are you implying something there mate?
Is there somewhere between the blue and red pilled and blue pilled male?
The purple pill is where it's at. This was actually the only pill available before the new millennium.
Yes. It's called being your own person and using your god given intelligence+empathy to progress. These red pillers are complete idiots who think we are naturally a bunch of animalistic tribals. I'm an MRA by the way.
Purple pill
Jordan Peterson
And this video is age-restricted.
You kind of lost me when you referred to Carole Hooven and Louann Brizendine. Considering Hooven has been active in the gender critical movement I would be wary of her intentions and research. I have read a lot of material from GCs that often twist the facts and are written by people who do not go in with objectivity. And chances are a bit of sleuthing will show Hooven is no exception. Brizendine's research I know has been questioned by many in science and academia. She has been criticized for singling out certain behaviours and exaggerating them to fit her narrative. Even she herself has stated that she might have gotten her facts wrong, saying "The male and female brain are most likely alike. We are the same species after all." You say research has shown men behave the way they do because of biology, but have you ever doubled check to see what they say checks out? Have you actually read any rebuttals to people like Hooven and Brizendine? It's easy to say "The research proves my points", but how can you be sure?
This is really interesting from a non-gender conforming/trans perspective
when Neel says male and female brain, there is a very new study with neurosciences looking into cis and trans brains due to the popularity of MRI.
These studies have shown that male and female brain patterns are (unsurprisingly) a spectrum. And that transmale brain patterns mirror cismen brains, and vice versa.
So while what Neel says is very true, completely separating male and females as so completely different mental processing isn't very accurate. It's more of a spectrum, which makes this discussion more complex, but also more interesting when thinking about how to optimise our society to have all types of brains most useful/comfortable.
Probably something to do with exposure to androgens in the womb... wonder if they can correlate this with 2d-4d ratios somehow
Call it 'masculine'/'feminine' if you will
"Faminist" society taught me:
- to not strive to stop being fat, "it's the inside that counts"
- to not strive to be handsome, "women are not shallow"
- to not strive to be rich and successful, "capitalism bad"
- to not strive to be masculine, "that's toxic"
The red/black pill saved me from these lies.
1. If you want to lose weight and get in shape that’s great! Body positivity means not making fun of other people for how they look. Trust me they know and pointing it out won’t help them get in shape.
2. Handsome is incredibly subjective. You should strive to look good to your own standards to boost your own confidence. But don’t expect all women to have the same preferences for physical appearance. People have wildly different opinions on pretty much everything. But that means there is probably some women out there that find you good looking already.
3. You can strive to be successful within the economic system you are forced to participate in while at the same time acknowledging that the system is deeply flawed.
4. The phrase “toxic masculinity “ does not mean that masculinity is toxic, it means that some people have an unhealthy idea of masculinity that causes them to do things that are harmful to themselves and others. Toxic masculinity says things like men can’t show emotion or men don’t eat vegetables. Positive masculinity says things like a man treats his wife right and a man looks out for his bros.
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1. It was very good for me when I was made fun of. It motivated me to research what is the actual cause of obesity, not the lies spread by "doctors".
2. It is not subjective at all - since love is an instinct. Studies have been done, including on blind people. Most women will find Brad Pit and Henry Cavill attractive, no matter how much you lie and spout empty platitudes.
3. That is insanity, capitalism is great. Not perfect, but nothing is. I lived for ten years in a beautiful communist country and it's much worse both in theory and in practice.
4. Men should not show emotions (look up the feminist whose boyfriend wore a wedding dress) and most vegetables are not good for you (starch and vegetable oil are dangerous).
You are deeply wrong at every level.
Andrew Tate emerged from the embers of Kevin Samuels imo, wonder who'll be next.
I don't care for Andrew Tate, I just reject this sex-obsessed, yet emasculating society and focus on my body, my hobbies, my work and my friends. Sex without emotional connection is no better than jerking off, so jerking off is all that I do until a woman likes me enough to want me. I think this is the sanest lifestyle a young man can have nowadays.
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Inshallah.
Sigma
The Red Pill is not an ideology, nor a philosophy. It is a praxeology, best described by Rollo Tomassi, the author of the Rational Male series you mentioned. I would urge everyone to read his work. To many false actors pervert the term 'Red Pill'. I won't accuse you Neel of doing the same. But there are many who do and I agree more will emerge, but most of these will be disingenuous. Rollo's work is the most sincere and arguably, the most credible.
They rejected Jordan Peterson only to get Andrew Tate
you mean the guy who cries and calls for war?
You had me until the very end there... until you fell into the trap of positive/toxic masculinity
I think he's trying to reframe it. I'm guessing you wouldn't have an issue if he framed it as a "shadow archetype" versus a "noble male archetype"
Redpill isn't defeatist in any way. It says truths and ways to improve ourselves.
It's the wrong way of improving ourselves.
@@kasperwithanak3853 As determined by who?
See this is how I know that this video had a point, because I'm sitting here like "this video was leaning way to hard into just saying "THE LEFT NEEDS TO STRAIGHTEN UP OR WE'LL BEAT YOU INTO SUBMISSION!!" and here you are like "KOLHATKATR MUST BE LIQUIDATED! THE RED PILL IS THE ONLY TRUE WAY! DESTROY ALL WHO OPPOSE US!!!!"
A good mix.
@@CuteFuzzyWeasel I hope that isn't supposed to be bait. It's fucking dreadful.
The issue is it goes too far the other way. It laces good advice with bad advice. Tate has made it normal to say 'go to the gym' and 'pursue your dreams' along with 'your girlfriend is your property.'
I agree that men have currently gotten socially short end of the stick, but men, do you people complain about this. Be a man if that's what you want to be. Be a sigma, and as everyone is attacking you, just go on. The reason so many men feel the need to comply to social pressure is our diet. Highly processed foods, packed in plastic and cooked in teflon. Many of those chemicals are rather similar to female hormones. This makes men soft, but, in women, it prevents production of real hormones, cause the body is deluded into thinking it has enough. So, yeah, if you want to be more masculine, you need to learn to cook, and stop complaining. Women have been in your position for generations, for tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of years. It's no wonder so many women act masculine. Can you name one, ONE female rolemodel you've had growing up? You can't, but not cause "boys don't have female role models" - it's cause there are none. So any woman who wasn't into dolls and make up and instead liked tools, or tech, or sports, could only have had male role models, which then dictates they act like men. Men on the other hand have a full written history of awesome role models, and they choose to follow andrew tate? like being narcissist is now considered masculine? why not emulate Galilei, or Newton, or da Vinci, or if you want something more modern, Picasso, Tesla, or Sagan. See, it's really easy from the top of my head to come up with awesome male role models, but female? Like, in my country, during ww1, there was this one lady, she pretended to be her brother and went to war, and they only figured out once she was wounded that she was a she. They then tried to send her back home, but she stood in front of some general's door, and wouldn't budge no matter what, so they allowed her to go back to the front. She like, in two instances armed with rifle only, jumped 20 enemy combatants in bunkers, and both times came back with 20 prisoners. She was a dragon lady (in our culture, children of dragons and women, are national heroes, we call those dragons "zmay"), anywho, she was a warrior, and if that's your thing, then she can be your role model, but that's really uncommon. Most girls emulate men in working with tools or being sporty, and you'd have hard time finding such role models. So, there's really no excuse to be pumped up mirror boy like tate, you can be a sigma, like afore mentioned guys, or, omg, Niels Bohr! he's my fav. He had that really simplified theory of structure of atoms, where atoms are like tiny planets with satelites, anywho, he was also hilarious, and an athlete and he's fully rounded role model for any boy out there. or girl
Don't tell me marie curie is a female role model, all we do know about her is that she overexposed her self to radiation and died of cancer. You can't tell me a single anecdote from her life or anything making her seem human. She's best known for number of nobel's she won, and for the mistake that cost her her life. No one wants to end like her.
There is a paucity of female role models in terms of knowledge work because women on average have a tighter iq spread, so you get less number of outliers. Men have a higher spread, so you get more r*tards and more geniuses, i.e. more outliers.
On the physical side men are just objectively better, more suited to physical activities. It's to do with the structure of the pelvic bone and childbirth, muscle mass, bone strength and a ton of other factors associated with androgen exposure.
My problem with Andrew Tate is that he's the most corny dude on planet Earth.
Watching and listening to him makes me cringe so badly that any valid points he might make are drowned out by his painful dorky routine.
hahaha yeah, thats what we got when valid logical point argument are blanketed by bad and rude communicating XD
When you keep calling people dicks you push them towards anyone who isn't doing that. That's where Trump came from and the concerning thing is nobody acknowledged that and nobody is doing anything better.
As a genderfluid person, I find this branch of psychology very interesting. While I can’t confirm the legitimacy of studies that have says transgender people’s brains are closer to their gender than their sex as I haven’t done enough research on that subject, in my own experience, I can feel my brain change as my gender does. I rarely feel masculine but when I do I think about things differently and like to spend my time differently, I find it less enjoyable and easy to work in groups with people, and while I’m just as emotional either way it’s easier to ignore those emotions if I’m not feminine. I know if I feel this way and notice the way I think change then other people probably do to, and getting transgender people, especially non-binary and genderfluid people in on these kind of studies could probably be really eye-opening. Great video. The most important thing in all of this I think is balance. Once we can finally get it into the general public’s mind what femininity and masculinity actually, are especially toxic and nontoxic, we can finally advance from this issue socially.
Just to add on you're first point. It is a really new study done due to MRI popularity which shows that male and female brains are a spectrum, and that transgender brains function closer to that of their gender than assigned sex at birth.
Unfortunately this is not well known yet because
1. We only started scientifically proving this recently due to previously not having the technology to look into brains
2. Funding and popularity due to people not wanting to consider trans or intersex people :(
why do you care what general public thinks? Why do you insist on forcing them to bow down to you? Sounds pretty narcissistic.
If I may ask, what chromosomses do you have and what gender(s) do you find sexually attractive?
İt's absolutely not true claiming andrew tate as a real man.
Andrew tate just a show man.
Indeed. A real man shoulders responsibility and seeks to provide for a family. Males who eschew these ideals to idealize playboyism are just clowns.
I disagree
Sir, this is a wendys
To the maker of this Channel/video
Stick to cooking by your Tandoor , need your curry not your opinions.
Not neccerary, be better.
Are you re tarded
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And a Garlic Naan please
@@pete3122 Oh gosh, you sure showed me...
re tard
@@tvrulz46
I’ll have a Andrew Tate Simp special .
I think we need more men like andrew tate. there are so many men that are depressed and sucidal because of how society is and society will do nothing to help them but blame them for being men.
Andrew Tate is in jail, surely you can think of a better man for others to follow.
He was arrested on charges of rape and human trafficking, and you think the world needs more men like him? Sure, he hasn't been proven guilty yet, but even the way he talks about women is fucking disgusting.
How does Andrew tate help anyone?
He's a rat and a regressive tribal degenerate at best
@@kasperwithanak3853 How he does not help anyone?
Free Andrew Tate
this guy missed the point
@@themoon7435 Oh come on 😅
Soon brother soon, he is out of jail and he will be free from matrix too