10K over MSRP for a new Harley?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this video, we'll talk about dealers charging over MSRP for a new Harley-Davidson and what you can do about it.
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I was looking for a 2022 Road Glide ST. A New York City dealer offered one at $8K over MSRP. I mentioned that the MSRP was cheaper but the salesman said they are selling at DSRP (dealer suggested retail price). I said that was nuts but he said people were lining up for the bike. I hunted around and found another dealer in a nearby suburb who gladly sold me the bike at MSRP. Point is to shop around and give your business to dealerships who treat you fairly.
Was that the out the door price at msrp? Or was there still additional fees / taxes?
@@johnhowarth8367 Crystal River Harley has a Low rider ST in stock. They've added a saddleman seat and the amp speaker set. They want 34K plus dealer fees and tax and tag. That's about 12K over list! Most of those Low Rider ST's have been pre-sold. But 12K over list is why it's sitting in the showroom.
good advice
Hey, out of curiosity which suburb did you end up getting the bike at msrp from? Inquiring New Yorker would love to know haha…
I've ridden Harleys for 50 years. What you're talking about is why I just bought a new Goldwing Tour. Still kept my FLHRCI, but will not buy a new Harley
Biggest rip off is in finance office. They told me the credit union is 4% and we will set it up for you.
I called credit union they told me 2%.
Dealer keeps the extra 2% which on multi year loan really adds up.
I bought used and said heck with Dealer.
The only way to deal with it is not buy from them.
Once their inventory stacks up for a few months they will see the light.
This is true but demand is so high and supply so limited, people will buy at those prices. Dealers in my area have trouble keeping a lot in stock. If you don't buy it, the next person will.
Too bad most people just look at payment instead of price. Probably bought my last Harley in 2018. Will keep it running until it gets too heavy for me.
Not really. They're not GETTING inventory to stack up. That's what's driving the prices up... lack of supply. HD is shorting the market, whether it's due to parts shortages, or intentionally, as some would have us believe. If you want to show your disapproval, your only REAL option is to buy another brand! However, you're going to discover that ALL the bike dealers' showrooms are half empty, due to supply chain issues with regard to parts... especially computer chips. One inside source tells me that a particular company has TWO WAREHOUSES filled with a particular model of bike I am interested in, each bike waiting for ONE computer chip to be shippable...
192K for a Vette?? Proves that some people have more money than brains.90
After doing some mechanical work on my Harley, I have found examples of how they made changes that save them manufacturing money but cheapened the product, that's just greed. I wouldn't mind the opposite, I'd gladly pay more if they spent more to raise the quality. BMW is looking good.
The first thing I did to my Ultra Electra Glide Unlimited CVO flhtcuse7
My next new bike will be an R18 Bagger.
My Dyna stranded me in the desert last week. I bought an R1250RT that same day. My ride to work the next day was 100 X's better.
Was at a local dealership a few weeks ago to order/buy a bike. They didn't have one so they wanted to look into trading for one or ordering it which I was down for.
MSRP $19.5 or so, come back with an OTD of $26.5. Back running that math, they wanted between $3500 and $4000 mark up.
Made them an offer of MSRP, no prep (they tried that), minimal doc, mandatory taxes, etc.... told them a dealership an hour away already made me that offer. They told me to take it maybe thinking I was bluffing. I wasn't.
Called the other dealership on the way home and put a deposit. Bike will be here in a few weeks.
So when buying a bike or car (or anything really). People are always afraid to tell the salesman that they like that one. The trick is to ALWAYS tell him you like it. In fact reiterate the fact. I love this one. Take up as much of his time as you can. Seriously. Then tell him again how much you like that one. Then you break it to him, that you just don't want to pay that much. They crap their pants. They've spent all this time with you. They can't just let you walk out. They are super stressed at that point. They'll call a manager over, and he'll call his manager over. As long as you have the means to pay for it (credit or whatever) They'll bend over backwards to sell you that bike. And if they don't, you let them know that you're going to go to another Harley dealership, and you'll be back. They love to hear "I'll be back" haha. It works everytime
Wow, I think I'm opening my own dealership. I have a 2008 CrossBones with a 110 Screamin Eagle, a 2010 Road King Classic and a 2021 Road King Police Edition. I'll make someone a great deal, all three for $150,000 P.S. Free shipping LOL
I called a dealer about a car they had online on the lot. They would not give a price but kept wanting me to come there and look at it. I asked several times what the price was and they still refused to say. Guess they lost that sale; in fact I know they did. I found what I wanted elsewhere at a dealer who had the price advertised on their sight.
Cool, calm, and mild mannered.
That's the way I love these informative reports from Jerry!
Ever consider a "Live Q & A" once in a while?
I paid $21.7k for a 2022 low rider s, a little under a month ago, it’s my dream bike I don’t regret the purchase
Used bikes are getting tough to find as well, at least where I live. I was in a HD dealer (Electra Glide Ultra) and a Yamaha Dealer (Royal Star Venture) looking at used dressers for sale and both only had one in stock.. The HD salesman told me they can't keep them and its getting a bit harder to find good ones to sell on the the floor. I live in Northern VA and happened to be in the area of Winchester VA so I was looking at what they both had. I might go back to the Yamaha dealer and free up some floor space by taking the Venture off their hands. It was in immaculate condition and 20k miles on it. I will be wise though and look at some more stuff before pulling the trigger on any used bike rather than the first two I've looked at.
Here in Utah used bikes are still plentiful and going for surprisingly little. It might be a good business to buy them cheap here and sell them where you are.
Black Hills HD in SD has a ton of used bike but the prices are high.
What year Ventura are you considering? The new redesigned ones I would consider '18 and newer. 1 thing stopping me from buying one is not many dealers in my area but they usually never have problems. I have a '05 Yamaha road star and keeps on going with no issues. I would love to have an Indian motorcycle though.
100% Jerry. We have choices. Don’t buy it if it isn’t the deal you think is right. Know your numbers. Don’t be a doofus. 😂
The number of dealerships in your area also plays a huge role in prices also. I'm lucky enough to live in a very large city in TX and there are plenty of HD dealers to choose from. The competition to get your business is fierce here, and the dealerships that isn't trying to empty my pockets always get my business. Service on the other hand, is where I feel like I'm being taken advantage of. They all get you pretty good, and putting my bike on a trailer to get a cheaper rate just isn't worth it.
This was common for the last two years… but now, highly unlikely banks will make the loan anymore for anything over auction value.
There is an explosion of repos going on right now. During the pandemic people were inflating their income, now they can’t make payments.
Wait a years or two before buying anything, and even then… you had better have perfect credit with long provable work history.
We as dedicated and loyal customers stuck with the Harley brand when they were going through tough times. This is what Harley does to "loyal and dedicated customers" the first time they get the opportunity. So much for loyalty. I have been riding Harleys for over 40 years. Piss on em.
As I clearly explained in the video, H.D. the motor company, isn't charging the customer over MSRP. H.D. sets the MSRP and the dealer marks the bike up over MSRP. The motor company doesn't get any of that ''over MSRP'' money. So, if you want to be mad at someone who's charging over MSRP, you should be mad at the dealer.
@@motorman857 you can say it a thousand times Mr. Palladino, but the Harley haters won't get it through their heads. Certain dealers are setting the price over MSRP. NOT the factory.
@@PanM8 Exactly.
But their dealers get Harley a bad name. Thats the way it is.
@@splodge5714 it's called free market. The independently owned dealer, be it Harley, Honda Kawasaki, (insert brand here), determine the price for their product, based on what their respective market will bear. If the market won't pay the price, the price will drop.
Great video, and thank you for exposing HD, I went to a HD dealership and they had a $7k markup on their street glide special, with lots of 2022 inventory, so please DO NOT shop at OLD GLORY in Laurel Md, I will continue to look for a HD dealership that is still selling their bikes at MSRP and give them my business .. 👍🏼🥃🇺🇸
Yep. Its a buyer beware world. Get tuned in before you throw down cash.
Was at ford dealer last week all vehicles had 10k - 25 k market increases
The dealership I use takes cars,boats,trucks etc. in trade. Got a 22 Street Glide at msrp and $16k credit for a Toyota I paid $17k for 2 years ago. Handshakes w/in 30 minutes. Some dealers get it.
thanks jerry , from the uk ,,, not quite as bad here but forget discounts on most items ,,, very informative video ..
Yup just saw a 22 gold wing tour with premium sound for $58,000.00? What was that at 8:18 peacocks? 🇺🇸 GOD bless America 🇺🇸
I went to a dealer looking for a bike for my daughter, they didn't have what we wanted BUT they had a bike I have been looking for. Daddy got a new bike!
That’s crazy! And some dealers are lying about Msrp prices. I’ve heard them lie about Msrp!
My local dealership is still selling bikes at fair prices. Bought my first Harley from them in 1987. Bought my 18th Harley from them 2 months ago. They have always done right by me. There are still a few good dealerships out there.
I remember when dealers were lucky if they had new bikes at all. It got so bad many dealers wouldn’t even put your name on a waiting list because the list was so long.
I just bought a new bike 2 weeks ago and I had to just make a few calls around the area. The dealer I bought off of was right up front that they sell for MSRP. I saved $5000. Just make some calls folks.
One year ago my wife and I road out on a new Tri Glide Ultra. At the sale, cash sale, I mentioned the MSRP and my dealer was pissed. He said he wish HD would stop putting those prices on the bikes. I even tried to make a trade with my 2010 Heritage which was one great bike. The dealer said he would not move off his price and gave me less than fair price for my Heritage. Either make the purchase of don't. I called two other dealers and both of them were in the same ball park. Yes, you get F... ked by the dealer. The ball is in their court if you want a new or used bike. Sucks but that is the way it is.
I just paid MSRP for my 22 CVO Street Glide.
So Jerry, going further with your statement about supply not meeting demand. How would that affect the USED bike market, meaning are people getting more on trading used HDs in? My bike from MAS was 21K so I wonder if I would get what I paid for it if I wanted to trade it in?
I've been saying the same thing about what you said about items being transported by truck. Imo, watch the price of diesel and you can judge if consumer prices will go up.
Like anything you have to shop around just bought a 22 RGS with only 1100 miles for trade in value. Bike is like brand new Gunship Gray with black trim big demand for the bike right now I got lucky
HD knows a recession is here and they dont want bikes sitting on the showroom floor driving down prices. HD is keeping the supply low to maintain MSRP + pricing.
I think if you know exactly what you want and are willing to travel you can still find a ok price. Rent a motorcycle trailer from uhaul and drive 1000 miles if that is what it takes. Got to be flexible in times like these.
IowaAl, renting the trailer and driving 1000 miles to pick up a better priced bike? It would have to be one hell of a deal. U Hauls are up and have you looked at the price of fuel lately? You'll burn a lot of fuel on a 2000 mi round trip.
@@PanM8
My truck gets 20 miles a gallon. Figure 5 dollars a gallon and a 2000 mile trip. That’s 500 bucks. Uhaul trailer is only a couple hundred. Maybe less. Compared to paying 10 grand over sticker. Yeah I will drive.
@@iowaal7671 what dealer near you is charging $10,000 over MSRP? I wouldn't even go to their parts counter knowing that.
@@PanM8 The video is titled 10k over MSRP. That’s the subject of the video we are talking about. I have bought several bikes over the years and had them shipped to me which was much cheaper than buying local. Just depends on your local market. I live in Dallas which has a hot market. The bikes here are over priced and used bikes often have a lot of miles compared to a bike from up north. Got a hustle in this economy or your gonna over pay.
Unless there literally was no dealership country wide selling msrp I would never EVER pay mark up. EVER. It's free to phone around and shipping or even making a trip of it by flying out and riding back is vastly cheaper than up to 10k markup, and then you get a sweet trip too instead of giving your money away to the dealership for the privilege of them selling it to you.
2004 road king police. 22k miles. I'm asking $7k. Is that crazy?
There are some HD dealers not doing this. Warhorse in Ocala or Gator in Leesburg. Some of the others don’t seem to be in this for the long haul.
I've had really good luck with WarHorse.
Gator wanted to charge me 5k more, and I had previously bought 8 bikes from them.
@@motorman857 They recently changed sales managers. The new one puts high prices on everything. The general sales manager at Warhorse is from Gator. Super good guy - Doug.
@@MCAdventurerHD131 What's the new sales managers name at War Horse?
@@motorman857 I don’t want to post his full name here. His first name is Doug.
Ever notice salesman never last at any dealership more than about six months? Why is that lol
Plenty of other Manufacturers Around .
And they are all doing the same thing.
Why anyone would be purchasing big ticket items, like motorcycles, cars or homes in the current climate, unless it was absolutely necessary.... is beyond me.
here in kansas city the harley dealers are have always sold over list. they try to get 5k over all the time. I won't buy from them.
Paid 5K over msrp for my street glide special 2022. I felt ripped off after few days 😂. I live in Albuquerque so I don’t have a lot of option. But I will never pay over msrp anymore.
I have doubts about your pledge. You're on their list now.🤣. Like the Mafia, you can get in, but you can never get out.
I love Harleys and own one but I would never pay msrp never mind paying over it, Harleys are way overpriced ti begin with.
I went it into a Harley dealer once pricing bikes and the salesman said they were having a blowout sale so I asked what it was and he said if you don't like our prices you can blow on out of here! That was the last time I stepped foot in a Harley dealer.
Thanks Motorman
My pleasure!
The new CEO of H-D implemented the policies of H-D from the 90’s.
H.D. didn't have the capacity to make enough motorcycles for the demand in the 90's. By 2005 they had the capacity to meet demand and the prices went down. Due to the supply chain problems, once again H.D. can't deliver enough bikes to meet demand and the price has gone up. Supply and demand is the rule. Always has been, always will be. Unless the communists take over. Then the demand will be there, but the supply will be zero. Ask anyone from the Soviet Union or Cuba.
MSRP is generous enough. Just say no till they stop up charging.
I worked for a Harley-Davidson dealership in New York and they actually did put a gun to customers heads! They said your brains or your signature will be on the contract. LOL It was called Godfathers Harley-Davidson. Hahahaha
Great video Jerry….. except, inset video is too distracting because it’s no synched to original….
Want your money back? 😁.
I just bought a 2022 BMW R9T. No mark up no surcharge. Just sayin’ 🤔
10k more than MSRP is a shame and a denial to purchase for another person. The Harley QTR result showed the revenue was majorly from pricing and not demand.
It's called PRICE GOUGING, pure and simple. The stealership in my area calls it D.S.R.P.
Yes, and they know some people are dumb enough to pay it.
Where does one NOT have to “pay tax title and license?!?”
I guess I just got lucky to walk in to a decent dealer, see the “perfect” bike, and buy it. I think I paid MSRP plus required taxes and fees (I still think having to pay $600 shipping and unboxing fee is kind of scummy, but it seems de rigueur). I still got out for a fraction of the prices in this video!!
Shipping has always been charged for all vehicles. Cars trucks motorcycles. To be sure what you paid, just check H.D.'s web site.
Great stuff except the price of everything of course
Too much free money out there the last two years. I'm waiting for 2023 to trade my 08 Streetglide for a newer model while we're in a recession and I'm in a better negotiating position.
I wouldnt pay 10k UNDER MSRP... for a Harley. 🤣
Well, no one is asking you to, are they.
I looked at a 2019 RoadKing Special and the dealer wanted $2000 more than the 2022 MSRP
Good info Jerry thanks.
They are also overcharging for fees.
Other than Tax tag and Title, there should be no other ''fees''. If a dealer says he sells at MSRP, then adds 1K or more, and that fee is taxable, he's not an MSRP dealer.
????????????????? NOPE, WAITING FOR THE RECESSION.
Ya sounds good to me save my cash and then buy at whole sale prices and laugh all the way out the door!!!
Some dealerships just don’t get it. They could have loyal customers, but would rather wait for shmucks to scam who will be so underwater on there loans they never buy again. Hope they bought the gap insurance haha
You are right. Over the past 5 years I bought 6 bikes from Gator Harley. Back in last August I ordered a 21 FLHTP. I called them after 6 weeks and said where's my bike. They said woops. we forgot to order it. But we'll get right on it. 6 weeks later, where's my bike? Oh, we waited too long so we'll have to order a 2022. 8 weeks later, your bike came in and we're only going to charge you 5 K over list. I told them to keep it. And bought locally. They've lost me as a customer for good.
I would buy the Indian Challenger Elite. It's 125 horse for $35k. No gimmicks.
Harley lists base price as 29,999 plus freight, setup and then Tax
Good-day Jerry; Enjoy your videos and classic on CD, This question really does not relate to your course. But since you own 2 Electric-Glide Revival, I've notice in the last couple months that 3 of the Revival back to the dealer for sale. Which makes me think WHY and what could be wrong with them, for that many up for re-sale in less than a year being out. Not to mention this could be a collector's bike down the road. What do you think, your more of expert on Harley-Davidson. Thank you for time, Have a bless day. Cutty
Because of the shortage of Harleys, some dealers are offering more than customers paid for their bikes. Simple as that.
“Greedy’s Harley-Davidson”
Says it all.
MSRP, surcharge, supply, demand, blah, blah, blah! You're forgetting a key component that many Gen X-ers value which dealers have seemed to let slide...dependability and customer service. I've only been riding for three years. My first and only motorcycle was a HD. It just stranded me in the desert for the third time. I had it towed to the local HD dealership for service and told the service guy I'd been standing around in the desert in 103°F for almost two hours waiting for the tow truck. When I asked for a bottle of water I was pointed at the vending machine in the customer lounge that wanted $1 for a 25¢ bottle of Costco water. When I stuck my dollar in the machine it told me "sorry, make another selection." I decided right then and there to buy a new bike and I didn't even consider a Harley. I didn't even wander around the show room floor and sit on a couple of bikes while waiting on my wife to pick me up. Their high prices, poor customer service, and the fact that I can't depend on my bike to get me to work let alone through a weekend trip to the beach has driven their key demographic to a competing brand.
I had issues with a brand new I bought but the HD dealership was awesome in working with HD Corp to fix it. I know many who racked up thousands of miles on theirs without issue. Had the same luck with vehicles over the years even Toyota and they are a stickler for quality. It's hit or miss these days.
dealers are doing it because people keep buying them. when the recesssion hits dealers are gonna be begging people to buy bikes.
You may be right. That's what happened with the great recession of 2008 and it took 8 years for that recession to end. It was the slowest recovery in U.S. history.
Not even for free. Keep the HD. So many bikes out there putting HD to the pocket and cheaper.
Yes. Honda had a brand new ''motorcycle'' for 1800 bucks. If you want cheap, you can find it.
These are practices that come from the top down… Harley Davidson new owner says “ We are going to be a luxury product”
In other words we will control and limit supply to be able to fuck you as bad as we want on our prices…
These are more of the reasons Harley Davidson is dying… My friends and I all bought bikes this summer and I’m the only one who got a Harley. My 8 other friends bought Indians. I’m the odd man out.
And yet, Harley still sells 500 bikes to every Indian sold. Worse, Indian dealers are sticking it to their customers as well and Indians resale value is much less than Harleys.
@@motorman857 I’m not so sure I’d go that far as the Resell is less than Harley you’re talking to someone who just hunted for 3 months to find the right bike remember
I am going to be going for my MC license, however I will be looking at buying a Honda Africa Twin model with the Automatic transmission. My question is i do plan to just practice on it a lot in a parking lot prior to the class etc. But will I be able to use the Automatic in the classes do you think? I just don't know if i could get the hang of a manual one with the clutch etc. Please any thoughts are welcome. Just found your channel and love your content!
If you are getting an automatic trans because you think it will be easier for low speed handling, you are mistaken. With the auto trans you have to modulate the rear brake against the throttle. That's much more difficult than using the clutch/throttle and rear brake. It can be done, but it will take many, more hours of training than learning to use the friction zone.
@@motorman857 no its not for the low speed handling, its getting the hang of the clutch and due primarily as I have a size 18 shoe so that is the big worry. Only reason i want the automatic is due to it making it a bit easier on the foot issue. Just am not sure if they would let you use an automatic in the classes or not
@@infernomaster2702 What class are you speaking of?
Even more sad are those on the sales floor wanting to know "How much per month can I get this motorcycle for?" Some of them don't own a home, and split the cost of a storage unit with others to keep their bikes there. Sadly, often those bikes get repo'ed. Times like these really hurt the "Down and out", seeking a taste of "Freedom". Just sayin'...
Still the best 100 yr old design (with modest improvements) that one can buy for twice the cost of an immeasurably more reliable and better handling machine.
I'm betting these guys know a lot more about motorcycles than some youtube commenter. ua-cam.com/video/gt1hQPZZHjM/v-deo.html
Highway robbery. It’s not supply vs demand. You can go to a dealer and order a new car or motorcycle in these instances and get one for msrp. Yet to get one that’s on the floor ready to roll they want extra. That is bs. The housing example is poor also. If you list the house for what it’s worth, which most due when you get people offering over is when the current owner gets everyone into a bidding war. No one is going out and going I’ll give you 700k when it’s listed for 500k. It’s 8 people offer asking price then the owner is going tell them to give me their best offer. I just hope people remember what these dealers are doing when the market tanks.
Ok here's another analogy since you didn't like the 500K home sale. 3 years ago you paid 30K for your F150. A dealer offers you 35K for it this year. you're going to turn down the offer?
Wow. That is used CVO territory
Recently at Black Widow Harley in Port Charlotte Florida, I tried to buy a Pan America. They were quoting 5 Grand extra and on the Revival Elevtra Glide 10 grande extra. FVCK 'EM! Bought a Vstrom 1050XT under list, bought a used Triumph at a good price and just bought a Moto Guzzi at list price, so the moral of the story is screw Harley and buy something different. Besides Berts has chinnese investors.
My next will be a Knuckle, Pan or Shovel. M8s have no interest from.me.
SoMDHarleyRider, I guess you have lots and lots and lots of money. Knucks are going for more than Harley's most expensive M8 CVO. An average working person doesn't have Knucklehead money today. Hell, I couldn't afford to buy my 65 Electra Glide today. I got lucky and found it twenty-five years ago. Good luck!
@@PanM8 your guess is not entirely accurate. I make a decent living, I'm single. I live within my means. I can sell other toys to supplement. I prioritize and save. Nothing against M8s for others. They are just not for me. Even at the old prices...
@@SoMDHarleyRider so you're telling me you can swing $70,000 to over $100,000 for a bike that you can't ride or buy parts for? These crazy, rich, hide them away bike collectors, drove up the price of Knuckleheads and oem parts, about 15 years ago. And then they don't ride them. I don't know where you live, but try going to an AMCA swap meet these days. I've been around antique bikes since I was about 17. The swap meets back then were fun. And most of these guys weren't trying to make a living off of the parts. These guys today think their Knucklehead, Panhead and Shovelhead parts are made of gold now. Look at the price of Flatheads today. Used to be you couldn't give away a 45 incher. (I'm exagerating, you get my point.) You could buy a nice WL, WLA, WLD and so on for around $2500. I won't part with my Panhead or Shovelheads. It's way too expensive to replace them today. My goal was to have one of every OHV Harley engine. I have one of each from Pan to M8. It took almost 30 years to do it. I'll never have that kind of money for a Knucklehead, so Ill be happy with what I do have. They're all fun to ride.....shhhh, even my M8. I don't want to say that too loud.
I am not arguing with you, just having a conversation. Hope you find an affordable Knuck. I haven't yet.
That's exactly why Harley-Davidson's in trouble right now
If they had bikes sitting in the showroom for weeks months or years, they'd be in trouble. If they're selling every bike they can in days, that's the opposite of being in trouble.
That's a lot of money for an all American made motorcycle that has mostly import parts on it.
Being the expert I'm sure you are, what is the ratio of imported parts vs American parts on Harley Davidson motorcycles? And the ratio of American parts vs imported parts on Chevy, Ford, Dodge, etc?
Sorry to say, there's nothing worth paying that much for no matter what type of motorcycle or car or truck! You have a government that wants to kill gas and oil. The government has got everything totally messed up, ( being kind) , so what are you going to run it on when they kill off petrol? The prices need to come back to the working men and women to be able to afford things with out bankrupting ones lively hood!
Damn that Putin! Who knew that Putin runs the U.S. economy? The sad thing is many people believe that B.S.
Wait for recession not far off, buyers market 😀
What a scam
your comparisons doest make sense at all. comparing a new bike with a msrp price from manufacture to a used house? building a new house has flat prices anyone can purchase it for same price. if it doesnt cost the manufacture more to make it then why dealers trying to make more :P buy i do agree with dont buy, ive never paid over msrp and dont plan to, its just weird that out of every motorcycle dealership harley is the only one who does this. you can go into any bike store and normally pay under msrp but harley tries to markup 6-10k.
The MOCO should not ALLOW the dealers to add to MSRP ! Ford stopped it, so can Harley!
Too easy!
Ford stopped it? In my area a new Shelby Mustang is 20K over MSRP. All their SUV's are 4K over, and the Bronco and Mavericks are 5 to 10K over.
Jerry, I seen where Ford had pulled dealerships franchise for this ? So I’m not sure ?
Jerry, I just looked it up , it’s says ford and gm told dealerships if they charge over MSRP they will HOLD future inventory and not send them the inventory, but who knows ? But as you say, the dealers in your area are doing it , so they must not be practicing what they are preaching. My Harley dealer never adds to MSRP, actually until the last few years, didn’t even charge MSRP, but times are dictating new practices . McMahons HD , have a great week sir !
This is the way they treat loyal customers.
Hi! JERRY; Is Harley creating the shortage like they did with the 1995 Fatboy. Cin-Cin
If they are creating the shortage, they managed to create a shortage with Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ford, GM, Chrysler, baby food, steel, and on and on and on.
There is absolutely zero reason to ever buy a bike for over MSRP. The vast majority of dealerships are selling at MSRP, so if you’re at one that is grossly overselling a bike, go somewhere else.
What dealers are selling at MSRP? I'm sure every one who watched this video would like to see such a list. I'll verify the list then post it in my next video.
What's the supply/demand currently please???
They may not hold a gun to your head but your emotions do and they side with your emotions and gang up on you 🤣
Buy something else is what you can do about it.
From what I've seen, all motorcycle AND car dealers are jacking up the prices.
ill probably never own a harley you pay 30 to 60k for one here in australia and our conditions beat the shit out of them and they break down alot
you dont even get that many features and stuff for your money
id just go for a indian or a triumph or even a sports tourer from yamaha or something along those lines
yamaha dont do cruisers anymore sadly except the virago 250 here
I'm sure you're an expert on the matter. No seriously...
@@motorman857 our roads are rough as hell like when we get silverados and the new corvettes and camaros they but upgraded suspention in them so its not such a rough ride
And summer heat cooks some harleys
And harleys bottom out all the time here with our roads
Why I don't have a HD, over priced
DISLIKE., yup that's what I said. Not you Jerry. Rather dislike for the market 'OverPricing'. So it wasn't an HD, but an Indian Vintage 2022 that I was interested in. We haggled, I even asked for my Senior Discount', to which I had to endure their chuckle at my bold suggestion, but I refused their so called best deal. What was that may I ask? A surcharge of an additional 900 buckaroos. I said 'NO' to that and opted for an 8 year olde bike from a nice couple who switched hobby to horses. As everyone knows, there are far fewer Indians available than there are HD's. HEY!, they only charged me a little over Blue Book Market Price. Because it was so well cared for, I took it. I don't do 1000 mile ventures to bike rallies, just 50 to a 100 mile loops. Enjoying the 'used bike' and I have a few buckaroos left over for some add-ons. Rear crash bars, front & rear bumpers, cup holder, GPS, TPM gauge, and sufficient funds to stop along the road for a fish dinner from time to time. OH my oh my! ....have you seen the price of lobsta theze days?! Living in New England, sea food is a big thing. So Jerry, keep Writing & keep Riding. Thanx, Frank with my 'newsed' Indian bike.
Give it some and once all this fed induced funny money is gone and you’ll probably be able to buy a Harley 10k under msrp.
Well the dealer's name says it all! Greedy's Harley
I made up that name. But Orlando Harley did quote me 10K over msrp for a Street Glide ST.
@@motorman857 OK. You got me! LOL 👍 Sad that that Orlando Harley is gouging folks. Sadder still that someone will buy it for that price. Cheers
Welcome back to the 1990's!!! Good luck everyone. Except now, Indian offers an alternative.
Except Indian dealers are doing the same thing as Harley as are all motorcycle dealers and car dealers.
hahahahaha..no thanks HD.
If the punters stood firm and refused to be ripped off then 6 to 12 months on the dealers would recant on this outrageous practice or be forced out of business. It's the Jack mentality (I'm only thinking of myself and screw the rest of you) that allows this to happen.
They are out of their ever loving mind and you can't fix stupid. I bought a 21 Ultra Limited from a seller in SC with 165 miles on in with $5K in upgrades for $26K in December, he bought a new 2022 RG CVO to match his Vette since he loved the color. I've been riding for 40 years and with their new business model, I am done. I will never again buy a new Harley from a dealership. Crystal River Harley was so far off in price it was comical, they are true stealers IMHO. Until buyers stop paying these outrageous upcharges, the dealers are going to keep charging the uneducated consumer. or "Ben Dover".... absurd. Crystal River Harley wanted $700 for my 1K "service".. REALLY.. I think NOT, I had to laugh.
Crystal River has a Low Rider ST ON THE FLOOR FOR 12k OVER MSRP.
@@motorman857 Big shocker someone will buy it. Insane
You don’t need to be rich 🤑 to ride a motorcycle and you don’t need to ride a Harley to have fun , I don’t believe there is a big demand for Harleys , it’s just that Harley Davidson doesn’t make many motorcycles, they haven’t in years , that’s the problem
For that kind of money you could buy a NEW Mazda Miata…and have everything…heat/ac, convertible(canvas or retractable hard top), more luggage space AND better gas mileage! Sorry Harley but you need to have a serious talk with your dealers.
Mazda dealers are getting thousands over list for Miata's. There's no getting away from the high prices as long as the present regime is in charge.
just bring your own lube its cheaper 10 over price lol