Just bought the game, and my first match(2 players' coop) was not only amazing but refreshing. After 755h on steam, and probability 100~200h on mobile, it's amazing that I can not only still play it fresh(I'm back to ascension 1 after 3 years!!), but also SHARE the experience with my friends. It's my favorite game ever, so take it with a grain of salt, but for me, it was worthy every single penny.
yeah this "review" is very misleading. how can you take anyone seriously who gives something a 0/10. that would indicate it is totally unplayable. this "review" adds nothing.
They guy forgot to mention the best part about coop, you get to experience the game with someone else... Thats the whole point. It doesn't have to add anything to the game, just that.
Just because you add a co-op mechanic to a solo game doesn't automatically make it a good co-op game. Also, what I was saying was the co-op is so bad that the game still feels like a solo game (characters barely interact). They could've introduced more new co-op specific mechanics but chose to play it VERY safe.
@realjon4220 yes they could've added more new co-op mechanics and redesigned a lot with co-op in mind, but I wouldn't say it feels like a solo game. While playing with friends, I've noticed all kinds of synergies normally only possible, albeit extremely unlikely in prismatic shard runs in the digital game. There's a lot for each player to manage, and to some extent everyone has to take their own actions independently, but when the stakes get high, everybody puts their heads together, and it's so satisfying when we pull through a hard encounter with everybody still alive.
For anyone that stumbles upon this review without having seen others, this board game is extremely highly rated by lovers of the game. This guy didn't get it, but you probably will. Doesn't mean he's wrong, everyone's opinion is valid. But don't let this video dissuade you from trying it.
Everyone should definitely try games they are interested in regardless of what the reviewers say (especially a nobody reviewer like me lol). That being said, I'd be cautious about all these 'positive' reviews. If a reviewer tends to like all games they are probably getting paid to say that a game is good.
@@realjon4220 ehh dude it's pretty cringe to hear that people disagree with you and default to "I think they're probably lying." There aren't that many great cooperative board games. Slay the Spire is a great video game. If it's also great as a board game, that already puts it above all but maybe the top 10 best cooperative board games. It's not the same as the video, and a good place to look to see why is at the Watcher, who plays completely differently to her video game counterpart, in spite of many cards having the same effects. I don't to make this an essay, but in most cases, cards that needed to be simplified for the board game became more interesting in their own way. The things you can do with Board Game Ver. Apotheosis are really cool! In a game like Slay the Spire, changing the math around can lead to a massively different experience, and a lot of people have played enough Slay the Spire that if they knew they could play a new game that would be "Slay the Spire, but it feels new" it would be well worth this price compared to gambling on games that they're likely not to love as much. For what it's worth I think that the board game has even better/more exciting balance than the video game, which is insane because the video game's balance is already stunningly good. That is, FWIW. I play more video games than board games, but I much prefer board games over video games. Most people who I've seen disappointed in the board game "don't see the point of it". But I think if you don't see the point of it, that's because you wouldn't much rather be playing a board game than a video game, if you had the choice.
@@kitsunin4690 I don't know how that equates to me saying "they're lying" lol. What I said was "yes, hear the good reviews, but you might wanna check the history of the reviewer to see if they are shilling". I'll be interested in seeing how you think the Watcher plays differently to the video game counterpart. All I see is the character became a lot easier to use than the video game due to how wrath works. As for the other 3 characters, I see almost zero difference, just a dumbed down version. Brother, I also wanted 'Slay the Spire, but it feels new', but I actually want NEW things, not slightly tweaked old things. I wanted stuff that you cannot see in the video game which becomes a very solid reason why someone would like the board game and even prefer it more . This seems like a slam dunk with the co-op they teased, but instead we get a dull, zero effort, almost multiplayer solitaire co op mechanic. If you are content with game designers making zero effort and playing it safe, fine. But I am speaking for the side that wants them to put a bit more effort than just doing a 1:1 translation. At some point I wanted them to make a new character but gee we can't even get a proper co-op mechanic! I'm really baffled by people saying that "oh I dont like it because I like video games more". No, I don't like because of the lack of content and the bottom of barrel co op mechanic that they presented with a premium price. All of which I have presented in the video with examples. As far as video game vs board game, I'm about 60:40, but if I say that people revert to "lol this guy just prefers video games" as massive copium.
I would add that first several combats in both versions often contain zero decisions, and even later combats often have clear optimal plays. In digital version, the empty turns go by fast enough to go largely unnoticed, but the slow bookkeeping of the tabletop version really rubs in the fact that the game doesn't have that many meaningful decisions.
Agree. I was also gonna mention how the bosses/elites with no minions are so boring in the board game. You have even less ways to 'co-operate'. You just throw all your things at the enemy which is a huge damage sponge and hope it dies before one of your teammates does.
Very well crafted video with good points! I was considering buying it but the price point is really high with the co-op as the main selling point. If it's not as good as you suggest I'll probably wait for a better deal or keep with juat the video game. Thanks for the review!
Yeah the co-op to me is SO not worth it. Co-op's so shallow and limited that it still feels like a solo game lol (+duration and +dumbed down gameplay, REALLY not worth it). Hmmmm if I can get it with a discount I'll probably just get the bag with the metal coins, it looks really cute lol.
@@realjon4220 we're talking about board games here. As for video games, Rogue obviously started the roguelike genre, as for roguelite, the term started roughly in 2014. I checked the game out ua-cam.com/video/l5sBx-Ol2aI/v-deo.html it sure looks like one of the earliest roguelite vg.
I was thinking of asking for this for Christmas cause I’m a big fan of the video game and was interested in the co-op element but finding out that that side of things is shallow, I’ll stick to the video game 😁 thanks for the review
Yeah... you can only do very limited amount of things co-op wise in this game. If you expect cool synergies between characters like I did you will be very disappointed.
Just bought the game, and my first match(2 players' coop) was not only amazing but refreshing. After 755h on steam, and probability 100~200h on mobile, it's amazing that I can not only still play it fresh(I'm back to ascension 1 after 3 years!!), but also SHARE the experience with my friends. It's my favorite game ever, so take it with a grain of salt, but for me, it was worthy every single penny.
yeah this "review" is very misleading. how can you take anyone seriously who gives something a 0/10. that would indicate it is totally unplayable. this "review" adds nothing.
They guy forgot to mention the best part about coop, you get to experience the game with someone else... Thats the whole point. It doesn't have to add anything to the game, just that.
That being said I really wish they added coop to the PC game because I don't want to manually do all the computer work
Just because you add a co-op mechanic to a solo game doesn't automatically make it a good co-op game. Also, what I was saying was the co-op is so bad that the game still feels like a solo game (characters barely interact). They could've introduced more new co-op specific mechanics but chose to play it VERY safe.
@@realjon4220 but each player builds their own deck and makes those sorts of decisions which is the main gameplay in slay the spire
@realjon4220 yes they could've added more new co-op mechanics and redesigned a lot with co-op in mind, but I wouldn't say it feels like a solo game. While playing with friends, I've noticed all kinds of synergies normally only possible, albeit extremely unlikely in prismatic shard runs in the digital game. There's a lot for each player to manage, and to some extent everyone has to take their own actions independently, but when the stakes get high, everybody puts their heads together, and it's so satisfying when we pull through a hard encounter with everybody still alive.
For anyone that stumbles upon this review without having seen others, this board game is extremely highly rated by lovers of the game. This guy didn't get it, but you probably will.
Doesn't mean he's wrong, everyone's opinion is valid. But don't let this video dissuade you from trying it.
Everyone should definitely try games they are interested in regardless of what the reviewers say (especially a nobody reviewer like me lol).
That being said, I'd be cautious about all these 'positive' reviews. If a reviewer tends to like all games they are probably getting paid to say that a game is good.
@@realjon4220 ehh dude it's pretty cringe to hear that people disagree with you and default to "I think they're probably lying."
There aren't that many great cooperative board games. Slay the Spire is a great video game. If it's also great as a board game, that already puts it above all but maybe the top 10 best cooperative board games. It's not the same as the video, and a good place to look to see why is at the Watcher, who plays completely differently to her video game counterpart, in spite of many cards having the same effects. I don't to make this an essay, but in most cases, cards that needed to be simplified for the board game became more interesting in their own way. The things you can do with Board Game Ver. Apotheosis are really cool! In a game like Slay the Spire, changing the math around can lead to a massively different experience, and a lot of people have played enough Slay the Spire that if they knew they could play a new game that would be "Slay the Spire, but it feels new" it would be well worth this price compared to gambling on games that they're likely not to love as much. For what it's worth I think that the board game has even better/more exciting balance than the video game, which is insane because the video game's balance is already stunningly good.
That is, FWIW. I play more video games than board games, but I much prefer board games over video games. Most people who I've seen disappointed in the board game "don't see the point of it". But I think if you don't see the point of it, that's because you wouldn't much rather be playing a board game than a video game, if you had the choice.
@@kitsunin4690 I don't know how that equates to me saying "they're lying" lol. What I said was "yes, hear the good reviews, but you might wanna check the history of the reviewer to see if they are shilling".
I'll be interested in seeing how you think the Watcher plays differently to the video game counterpart. All I see is the character became a lot easier to use than the video game due to how wrath works. As for the other 3 characters, I see almost zero difference, just a dumbed down version.
Brother, I also wanted 'Slay the Spire, but it feels new', but I actually want NEW things, not slightly tweaked old things. I wanted stuff that you cannot see in the video game which becomes a very solid reason why someone would like the board game and even prefer it more . This seems like a slam dunk with the co-op they teased, but instead we get a dull, zero effort, almost multiplayer solitaire co op mechanic. If you are content with game designers making zero effort and playing it safe, fine. But I am speaking for the side that wants them to put a bit more effort than just doing a 1:1 translation. At some point I wanted them to make a new character but gee we can't even get a proper co-op mechanic!
I'm really baffled by people saying that "oh I dont like it because I like video games more". No, I don't like because of the lack of content and the bottom of barrel co op mechanic that they presented with a premium price. All of which I have presented in the video with examples. As far as video game vs board game, I'm about 60:40, but if I say that people revert to "lol this guy just prefers video games" as massive copium.
I would add that first several combats in both versions often contain zero decisions, and even later combats often have clear optimal plays. In digital version, the empty turns go by fast enough to go largely unnoticed, but the slow bookkeeping of the tabletop version really rubs in the fact that the game doesn't have that many meaningful decisions.
Agree. I was also gonna mention how the bosses/elites with no minions are so boring in the board game. You have even less ways to 'co-operate'. You just throw all your things at the enemy which is a huge damage sponge and hope it dies before one of your teammates does.
What a review.
Honest and succinct
Very well crafted video with good points! I was considering buying it but the price point is really high with the co-op as the main selling point. If it's not as good as you suggest I'll probably wait for a better deal or keep with juat the video game.
Thanks for the review!
Yeah the co-op to me is SO not worth it. Co-op's so shallow and limited that it still feels like a solo game lol (+duration and +dumbed down gameplay, REALLY not worth it).
Hmmmm if I can get it with a discount I'll probably just get the bag with the metal coins, it looks really cute lol.
I love the boardgame! Its awesome in two players!
One Deck Dungeon was way earlier than STS and one of the first roguelite games.
It also has a video game adaptation which applies the rules perfectly.
But without the board game you won’t like it.
AFAIK the first roguelike deckbuilder game (this is a video game) is called Dream Quest which was out in 2014. One deck dungeon came out in 2016.
@@realjon4220 we're talking about board games here. As for video games, Rogue obviously started the roguelike genre, as for roguelite, the term started roughly in 2014.
I checked the game out
ua-cam.com/video/l5sBx-Ol2aI/v-deo.html
it sure looks like one of the earliest roguelite vg.
I was thinking of asking for this for Christmas cause I’m a big fan of the video game and was interested in the co-op element but finding out that that side of things is shallow, I’ll stick to the video game 😁 thanks for the review
Yeah... you can only do very limited amount of things co-op wise in this game. If you expect cool synergies between characters like I did you will be very disappointed.
Keep up the good work
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