F1 Engine Valves - A Closer Look - Ep 19

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  • Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
  • Ep 19 where we take a look at the Formula One Engine Valves.
    Found a pair of valves on the shelf which in turn resulted in an unexpected episode that turned out a bit longer than intended...
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 54

  • @maisteer
    @maisteer Рік тому +9

    Word at BMW was that they put a lot of their knowledge gained from the F1 program into the development of the S1000RR motorcycle. Which might explain a bit why it was way ahead of the competition when it was first released in 2009 - despite BMW never making a bike in that class before.

    • @donr62
      @donr62 Рік тому

      And copied the Suzuki GSX-R1000K5

    • @rafaellastracom6411
      @rafaellastracom6411 Рік тому +1

      Sure but keep in mind BMW was always in a class by themselves when it came to extracting every kernel of power out of a NA engine. They are able to achieve stratospheric BMEP's from a given volume throughout a wider band than anyone else, Porsche included.

    • @donr62
      @donr62 Рік тому

      @@rafaellastracom6411 How are they a class above any other 200+hp litre bike today?

    • @donr62
      @donr62 Рік тому

      @@maisteer I was referring to the whole bike. It was well reported at the time that they used the Suzuki as a reference for the design.

    • @rafaellastracom6411
      @rafaellastracom6411 Рік тому +3

      @@donr62 They don't give up torque in the low to mid range like everybody else. Suzuki comes close with their cam phaser but everybody else has little down low. Apart from the Shift-Cam system BMW always seems to be able to generate high BMEP's just about everywhere in the rev range. Their handle of combustion efficiency is a step ahead of everyone, including my beloved Honda.

  • @Dane33781
    @Dane33781 Рік тому +2

    I really appreciate you making videos like this. I have enough machine tools to make almost anything I want to and your videos are fuel for my imagination. Thank you.

  • @shoominati23
    @shoominati23 Рік тому +1

    I knew a guy who used to go 'fishing' with the sodium filled valves off of WW2 radial engines. He would take a hacksaw with him and cut a nick into the valve stem and then fling them into the lake, and collect the resultant dead fish that popped up to the surface. This was like 60 years ago so there was no EPA or anything like that to spoil the fun.

  • @sparky60ful
    @sparky60ful Рік тому +3

    Nice video again! Thanks! Colsibro is the valve guide material. A copper nickel silicon alloy. I make watch cases from titanium, Grade 2, so almost pure. One time I had it burning in the chiptray of the lathe! btw I use carbide cutting tools meant for aluminium to machine titanium. This works very well.

    • @th600mike3
      @th600mike3 5 місяців тому

      Thanks for sharing the info! I was curious if you knew if Colsibro or any other copper alloy was enough to prevent galling? I would guess modern f1 is just using DLC etc coated Ti valves?

    • @sparky60ful
      @sparky60ful 5 місяців тому

      @@th600mike3 I don't know that.

  • @JC-gw3yo
    @JC-gw3yo 3 місяці тому

    Dirty hands are a brand of honor..... Thank you working man

  • @camshaftcasting1451
    @camshaftcasting1451 5 місяців тому +1

    Hi Brian. For interest. 1997 Jaguar AJ-V8 has 35mm intake valves with 5mm valve stems. I think your R1200GS standard intake valve is 36:5 mm. Real "penny on a stick" territory. Maybe 7:1 is *about* the limit for production road engine valves.

  • @beachboardfan9544
    @beachboardfan9544 Рік тому +3

    8 Hr long vid! Yes please!

  • @kevinstanzl8189
    @kevinstanzl8189 11 місяців тому +1

    Hi Brian, big thanks for the channel very informative and like a modern UA-cam version of the Carroll Smith's books

  • @MrCrabbing
    @MrCrabbing Рік тому +1

    Fantastic thanks I guess Titanium would be tricky to weld too, it would have to be done with inert gas

    • @rolandtamaccio3285
      @rolandtamaccio3285 Рік тому +1

      Del West, friction welds their valves, NASA accepts their procedure .

  • @Stoo48
    @Stoo48 Рік тому

    Many years ago when working for an engine company East of Ireland we experimented with ceramic valves (not an F1 application). They didn't spend too long looking and never seen them in any application since

  • @pjay3028
    @pjay3028 11 місяців тому

    Great job of keeping the video down to 20 minutes 😂😂 But who wants a 20 minute video from you, I'd prefer 2 hours! Great videos, thanks so much.

  • @rafaellastracom6411
    @rafaellastracom6411 Рік тому +1

    Any chance you can do a short video on general issues of valve construction types? I understand there have been attempts at valves with both hollow stems and heads being welded together. Love to pick your brain on the matter.

  • @user-jt6nv8ds4m
    @user-jt6nv8ds4m Рік тому +1

    Very interesting

  • @LoudandProudBSE
    @LoudandProudBSE Рік тому

    I have a set of titanium Delwest valves sitting here out of an R07.. 2.200 x 6.080 with a 6mm stem. Interestingly the tulip is DLC coated but not the stems.
    Amazing they've got these big 2.20 head valves on 6mm stems as well.

  • @zactrimble4343
    @zactrimble4343 Рік тому

    minus the step on the inlet valve and the retainer groove surprised how normal the valves are. Pretty standard for most modern engines to have a 6mm stem or smaller that's waisted towards the tip and titanium replacements are getting very common in the aftermarket industry as well they aren't even expensive anymore

  • @MisFakapek
    @MisFakapek Рік тому

    thanks Brian! Now I know a bit more about my Ferrari F2004 intake valve. I was also quite baffled about the purpose of the valve ridge/groove - it definitely didnt feel like anything helping with sealing. Thanks a lot!

    • @finlaymcdiarmid5832
      @finlaymcdiarmid5832 Рік тому

      Is there not a corresponding ridge in the valve seat?

    • @EngineeredtoWin
      @EngineeredtoWin  Рік тому +1

      ​@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 No, the ridge is just inside the seat ID.

    • @finlaymcdiarmid5832
      @finlaymcdiarmid5832 Рік тому

      @@EngineeredtoWin i read a book by Alexander bell, this was a mid nineties edition and it talked of the ridge you described and how you could machine it in etc, with a corresponding ridge on the valve seat. Is this the same idea? Probably.
      Would you recommend his books?

    • @EngineeredtoWin
      @EngineeredtoWin  Рік тому +1

      @@finlaymcdiarmid5832 No ridge on seat in this case.

  • @SysOpQueen
    @SysOpQueen Рік тому

    Thanks mate! Great video!

  • @n4thawin
    @n4thawin 3 місяці тому

    That ridge is for fuel not air. Everything otherwise was correct

  • @321-Gone
    @321-Gone Рік тому +1

    Gooood videeoo agaaain. 20 minutes LOL
    9:37 - 14;25 - not sodium filled, got it

    • @jguth6
      @jguth6 Рік тому

      agree. so so much rambling.

  • @tiitsaul9036
    @tiitsaul9036 Рік тому +1

    Thanks. Very interesting.
    Does your BMW bike intake valves have these flow separation grooves?

    • @EngineeredtoWin
      @EngineeredtoWin  Рік тому

      No, however they are pretty much the same in terms of dimensions.

  • @mosessalazar5484
    @mosessalazar5484 10 місяців тому

    😱 wondering if I'll put groves in my intake?

  • @maxrothery9196
    @maxrothery9196 Рік тому

    A lot of modern engines (+90s) have 6mm valve stems, eg the 2JZ and Ford Duratec have 6mm valve stems

  • @1crazypj
    @1crazypj Рік тому

    The four valve 2.3 Ford engine from 20 years ago used 5mm valve stems (also used in Mazda B2300 pick up)
    This isn't relevant to video, but, have you had any problems with BMW ring gear?
    The pin locating starter motor was loose in a few I've worked on allowing starter motor to move slightly which destroys starter nose and ring gear. Maybe it was only on the 2014¬15 bikes?
    Doesn't Titanium have a melting point about double that of copper?
    I thought the valves were forged from a much thinner rod, more like a rivet head (Honda have been making steel valves like that for probably 40 years)
    I had friends in the 80's that used old Titanium bolts in knee sliders to get brilliant white sparks (usually from aircraft, there used to be an engine refurb place in Merther Tydfil)

  • @ThePreverbial
    @ThePreverbial 3 місяці тому

    I wonder if that grove on the inlet valve has an anti-reverse effect. I suspect it would have more of an anti-reverse flow, effect increasing low rpm torque.

    • @daledavies2334
      @daledavies2334 2 місяці тому

      AR groove is machined in the combustion chamber side of the intake valves.

  • @user-ob5uo3mh9y
    @user-ob5uo3mh9y Рік тому +1

    Brian, please increase volume on your vídeos even if you don't have new microphone, it's hard to hear you... it's not about about audio quality but about audio volume for me..
    And stop excusing yourself in every introduction, your vídeos area amazing, get straight to the point, i don't like to scrawl first 1/4 of video listening you explaining the cannel every time.
    This being said keep the good work up it's amazing content ❤
    Keep it up ❤

    • @EngineeredtoWin
      @EngineeredtoWin  Рік тому +1

      Explaining the channel will always be done on each video since not everyone watches them all, or may be new viewers. Regards, Brian,

  • @Johns51
    @Johns51 Рік тому

    So is the groove proud of the surface or machined Into the surface on the inlet valve

  • @mosessalazar5484
    @mosessalazar5484 10 місяців тому

    If this valve technology is better, why they did not apply it on every engine? Does it makes engine consume fuel better? Which is bad for business for fuel producer?

  • @jamesdungan6198
    @jamesdungan6198 Рік тому

    Shame u don't have anymore discs for sale

  • @shankswrc3509
    @shankswrc3509 Рік тому

    Really nice video! One question, what are the valve seat angles, the common 45 degrees, or is something special? See you at the next one, Thanks!

    • @1crazypj
      @1crazypj Рік тому +1

      It's been known since the 1950's that a 30 degree seat angle improves low lift flow but needs higher seat pressure to seal properly as it doesn't have the wedging action of a 45 seat

    • @V8Lenny
      @V8Lenny 11 місяців тому

      50-55 I quess.

  • @kyleschrader1390
    @kyleschrader1390 4 місяці тому

    Honestly this video doesn’t do the whiteness of the spark justice. Much whiter without a screen to look through. Really you are supposed to have some lighter weld lenses if your looking at titanium sparks for extended periods