Great information. Note: You can go from bottle to finished with the OB shine juice, without waiting for the drying. The spinning and slight pressure will dry the juice almost instantly. I use it , often , for sealing and polish , with great results.
I started turning this passed February so I am pretty new. I have learned so much from your videos. The last few days I have been thinking about Shellac and OB Shine Juice. I was really happy when I saw you were discussing the topic just when I needed a little help. You answered many of my questions. Thanks Sam!
Ah! Some of the web untangled. Thanks Sam. I now have the chart for Shellac Pound Cuts stuck on the wall in my shop - converted to metric of course. Cant believe you guys are still scratching away at the cave walls with this feet and inches stuff.
Up to now my finish of choice has been wipe on poly. After watching this video I believe I will have to give shellac a try. Thank you for the tips on shellac and it's application. Have a great day and stay safe.
I've been using O. B. Shine to seal and raise the grain and then finish with poly' (about 3 or 4 coats. turns out pretty good. Sometimes it will get a little rough in spots. I'll try using shellac like you have shown. Thanks
Reading the title, I wondered why you would want to put shellac on a wood lathe, but then I guessed you were actually applying it to the wood piece you have turned on the wood lathe. The title is an interesting way to attract viewers, or you are testing us out? Have watched many of your excellent demonstrations and descriptions as you progress the work, and picked up many very useful tip. Stay safe and go easy with that shellac!!
Great info Sam. I really like shellac. I mix my own using flakes and DNA. I use it as a sealer, a finish, and i have used it to toughen soft, or punky wood fibers. Ive seen folks use CA for that purpose, but i do not care for the smell of CA at all. I know, there are wood hardener products available, but shellac seems to be less expensive, and ive had good results with it.
I’ll use the spray when I need to seal a dye or I am going to fill the grain with a different color filler. The nice thing about shellac is almost anything can be applied over the top of it and it is fairly low odor.
Re friction polish - there is a parallel universe in which friction polishes are made with lacquer - same basic formula of one-third lacquer, one-third oil, and one-third lacquer thinner. I make mine using Tung oil, but boiled linseed oil or walnut oil are fine. Most commercial friction polishes are based on shellac, but there are at least two that are lacquer - the William Woodright friction polish (also sold by Penn State as their house brand), and Behlens.
Sam, good to see you protect your AB from finish droppings. 😁 Good to hear you’ll have more good hints in your next notes, but I guess you’ll be waiting until the notes come out to let me know I won the little wing bowl. I haven’t seen any notices in the other videos, or did I just miss the comment in the last notes (I’ll go recheck 😉). Cheers, Tom
Thank you very much that was very informative only thing I don’t know. How long is a little bit of drying time between coats of shellac 😁 but I love your show , I just found your channel and I’ll be watching it more thanks
Sam, this is an excellent teaching on shellac. I use shellac both as a sealer and a finish. OB Shine Juice is a popular finish. Through my experience, I find that the shine fades as the finish ages. Your thoughts on this please Sam.
ggreat advice Sam thanksI like shellac better then most finishes but I get swirls in the bottom of the bowl when I wifpe pe on what am I doing wrong thanks Mike
Great movie! As always, I have learned a lot. I have a question, I am from Poland and we use the name "mineral oil" mainly in the automotive and industrial sectors for name motor oil. Is the mineral oil you are talking about a pure paraffin oil?
Well, this is a really big topic. I went back and watched some of the video, but did not see where I was filling the grain with sawdust. Not too important..... If you are looking at French polishing one of the important steps is to fill the green with sawdust and shellac to get an extremely fine, level surface. I do like a very smooth finish on my turned projects. But we are talking about a bowl compared to fine furniture made in 1790. I primarily use shellac is a sealer and a base coat for something else, usually in oil. Hope this helps Sam
At about the 23:30 mark you applied a mixture of shellac and sawdust and rubbed it in . You called it sealing the wood , I have done this for years , sometimes with shellac/sawdust , often with sawdust/water paste , sometimes with oil/sawdust . My purpose has always been to fill the pores in the grain . Old-timers I got tips from called it " filling the grain " , and told me to do it before the finish sanding . I am wondering if I have been doing it wrong , why you wait till almost the end of finishing ?
Shellac is a finish I have only recently started using. I like the speed of the finish but most often I complete my final coat(s) with a tung oil finish or lacquer as the finish seems more durable. I have also purchased some commercial sanding sealer (lacquer based), is this a good way to seal wood?
Generally shellac and lacquer are not as durable as varnish.....One point I would make: varnish to me has always meant it was an oil based finish. But the term varnish has been applied to almost any type of finish (which I don't really understand) But shellac is least durable and I use it mostly as a sealer or as a friction polish on small display pieces. Lacquer is a little more durable and I like to use it on very light colored wood. And varnish ( if it is fact an oil) i will use more on functional pieces or items that I want to be a little darker in color-which using an oil will be the result. Sam
I have been confused about varnish for years , my father grew up in the sugar bush country , and when a small child I remember him tapping trees to get sap to make his own varnish ( not maples , but cannot recall what ) . He mixed sap , oil and turpentine , but I was only very young and do not know how he did it . Later he used store bought varnish but it was similar . Now if I go to buy varnish it could be any one of a dozen poly or something . Nothing like what I remember , and never quite sure of what I'm getting so I just ended up avoiding " varnish " at all
I may deal with this question in my August Notes video. Good question. I use shellac to seal wood but I also use it as a finish. If the cut is too thick (2 lb) it tends to dry too fast and gums up while you apply it. Yes good Q' Sam More on this later...
Thanks for the recommendation. I’m not exactly doing French polishing though. I do understand the concept of a rubber. If I need to apply it with that thanks. Sam
Excellent video as always Sam.. with the increasing popularity of veganism one has to bear in mind that shellac is animal based and so needs to be avoided for vegan use.
You mean because it is produced with the help of a tiny little insect, it is animal based? I think you are "technically" correct but?????? I just don't know enough about veganism. But I respect anyone who stands up for his/her beliefs. Here is a link to some shellac info. www.pactind.org/shellac-resin/ thanks Sam
@@WYOMINGWOODTURNER I suppose it would depend on how strict the individual is with regard to their vegan beliefs but if one is selling a product then it really is on the vendor's shoulders to give full information on what they are selling :) ... (I am not a vegan)
@@steveellis8746 I do appreciate this info. It is something I never considered. Although the issue has never come up from a customer. but I will keep it in mind for the future. Thanks, Sam
Thank you. Very informative. I love using Shellac and oils as a finish.
Great information.
Note: You can go from bottle to finished with the OB shine juice, without waiting for the drying. The spinning and slight pressure will dry the juice almost instantly. I use it , often , for sealing and polish , with great results.
Brilliant !! A one stop knowledge burst ! Subbed
I started turning this passed February so I am pretty new. I have learned so much from your videos. The last few days I have been thinking about Shellac and OB Shine Juice. I was really happy when I saw you were discussing the topic just when I needed a little help. You answered many of my questions. Thanks Sam!
Great video Sam, thanks , very informative as usual.....cheers
Ah! Some of the web untangled. Thanks Sam. I now have the chart for Shellac Pound Cuts stuck on the wall in my shop - converted to metric of course. Cant believe you guys are still scratching away at the cave walls with this feet and inches stuff.
Thank You for all the good tips and information , I am going to try some
Learned a lot from this Sam,thanks for sharing!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Lots of great info today...I love shellac on my bowls!
Very informative, thank you for your continued efforts in educating and sharing knowledge.
I like the trick w sawdust in the shellac. I will have to try that one.
Especially good on end grain!
Up to now my finish of choice has been wipe on poly. After watching this video I believe I will have to give shellac a try. Thank you for the tips on shellac and it's application. Have a great day and stay safe.
I use shellac and polish the surface between coats with a piece of brown grocery bag paper.
This is a great idea. I do this once in a while. But I seem to forget this technique. I'll try to remember it in the future. Thanks, Sam.
I've been using O. B. Shine to seal and raise the grain and then finish with poly' (about 3 or 4 coats. turns out pretty good. Sometimes it will get a little rough in spots. I'll try using shellac like you have shown. Thanks
Reading the title, I wondered why you would want to put shellac on a wood lathe, but then I guessed you were actually applying it to the wood piece you have turned on the wood lathe. The title is an interesting way to attract viewers, or you are testing us out? Have watched many of your excellent demonstrations and descriptions as you progress the work, and picked up many very useful tip. Stay safe and go easy with that shellac!!
Shellac on the wood lathe I suppose that's call a misplaced preposition....
Great info Sam! Gonna give the sawdust trick a try.
Take care, Dave
Great info Sam. I really like shellac. I mix my own using flakes and DNA. I use it as a sealer, a finish, and i have used it to toughen soft, or punky wood fibers. Ive seen folks use CA for that purpose, but i do not care for the smell of CA at all. I know, there are wood hardener products available, but shellac seems to be less expensive, and ive had good results with it.
Who's DNA do you use? LOL
I’ll use the spray when I need to seal a dye or I am going to fill the grain with a different color filler. The nice thing about shellac is almost anything can be applied over the top of it and it is fairly low odor.
Great information Sam.
when I make shine juice I use tung oil instead of boiled linseed oil. I get a much better shine with less build up.
Great idea. Nothing wrong with changing the formula. I like it. Sam
Re friction polish - there is a parallel universe in which friction polishes are made with lacquer - same basic formula of one-third lacquer, one-third oil, and one-third lacquer thinner. I make mine using Tung oil, but boiled linseed oil or walnut oil are fine.
Most commercial friction polishes are based on shellac, but there are at least two that are lacquer - the William Woodright friction polish (also sold by Penn State as their house brand), and Behlens.
Got to love Sam :)
I'm bluishing....
When you mix your shine juice do you use a 2 lb cut of shellac?
Sam, good to see you protect your AB from finish droppings. 😁 Good to hear you’ll have more good hints in your next notes, but I guess you’ll be waiting until the notes come out to let me know I won the little wing bowl. I haven’t seen any notices in the other videos, or did I just miss the comment in the last notes (I’ll go recheck 😉). Cheers, Tom
Sorry you didn’t win. Sam
@@WYOMINGWOODTURNER not what I was hoping to hear, again! 😟
Thank you very much that was very informative only thing I don’t know. How long is a little bit of drying time between coats of shellac 😁 but I love your show , I just found your channel and I’ll be watching it more thanks
60 seconds will do it....
Sam, this is an excellent teaching on shellac. I use shellac both as a sealer and a finish.
OB Shine Juice is a popular finish. Through my experience, I find that the shine fades as the finish ages. Your thoughts on this please Sam.
Not sure....I just started to use the shine juice but good to look for this fading issue. Sam
ggreat advice Sam thanksI like shellac better then most finishes but I get swirls in the bottom of the bowl when I wifpe pe on what am I doing wrong thanks Mike
Mike I would saw your shellac is too thick and dries before you can wipe off excess. Thin it down a bit with more denatured alcohol sam
Great movie! As always, I have learned a lot. I have a question, I am from Poland and we use the name "mineral oil" mainly in the automotive and industrial sectors for name motor oil. Is the mineral oil you are talking about a pure paraffin oil?
Is there a reason that you do not grain fill with the sawdust/shellac mix as a first step , instead of finish first ?
Well, this is a really big topic. I went back and watched some of the video, but did not see where I was filling the grain with sawdust. Not too important..... If you are looking at French polishing one of the important steps is to fill the green with sawdust and shellac to get an extremely fine, level surface. I do like a very smooth finish on my turned projects. But we are talking about a bowl compared to fine furniture made in 1790. I primarily use shellac is a sealer and a base coat for something else, usually in oil. Hope this helps Sam
At about the 23:30 mark you applied a mixture of shellac and sawdust and rubbed it in . You called it sealing the wood , I have done this for years , sometimes with shellac/sawdust , often with sawdust/water paste , sometimes with oil/sawdust . My purpose has always been to fill the pores in the grain . Old-timers I got tips from called it " filling the grain " , and told me to do it before the finish sanding . I am wondering if I have been doing it wrong , why you wait till almost the end of finishing ?
Shellac is a finish I have only recently started using. I like the speed of the finish but most often I complete my final coat(s) with a tung oil finish or lacquer as the finish seems more durable. I have also purchased some commercial sanding sealer (lacquer based), is this a good way to seal wood?
HI sam I use a lot off shellac and then I use wax finish is that good or ok.
One question I have after reviewing some of your videos on finishes: How does varnish compare with shellac and lacquer?
Generally shellac and lacquer are not as durable as varnish.....One point I would make: varnish to me has always meant it was an oil based finish. But the term varnish has been applied to almost any type of finish (which I don't really understand) But shellac is least durable and I use it mostly as a sealer or as a friction polish on small display pieces. Lacquer is a little more durable and I like to use it on very light colored wood. And varnish ( if it is fact an oil) i will use more on functional pieces or items that I want to be a little darker in color-which using an oil will be the result. Sam
@@WYOMINGWOODTURNER Thanks, so a varnish is more akin to tung oil or any other hardening oil.
I have been confused about varnish for years , my father grew up in the sugar bush country , and when a small child I remember him tapping trees to get sap to make his own varnish ( not maples , but cannot recall what ) . He mixed sap , oil and turpentine , but I was only very young and do not know how he did it . Later he used store bought varnish but it was similar . Now if I go to buy varnish it could be any one of a dozen poly or something . Nothing like what I remember , and never quite sure of what I'm getting so I just ended up avoiding " varnish " at all
Sam, Why did you use 1 lb cut for sealing, vers 2 lb.?
I may deal with this question in my August Notes video. Good question. I use shellac to seal wood but I also use it as a finish. If the cut is too thick (2 lb) it tends to dry too fast and gums up while you apply it. Yes good Q' Sam More on this later...
sound advice
For some reason only coming through on left side. I listen on headphones and your right channel isn't working. Both sides work during the commercial
Yes I know. Trouble with my microphone. I’m getting it fixed sam
Sam. You must learn to make a “Rubber” to apply your shellac. Somewhere in You Tube you should get the info.
Thanks for the recommendation. I’m not exactly doing French polishing though. I do understand the concept of a rubber. If I need to apply it with that thanks. Sam
Good on you Sam. You have a great site and I learn a lot from your demonstration. Thanks.
Excellent video as always Sam.. with the increasing popularity of veganism one has to bear in mind that shellac is animal based and so needs to be avoided for vegan use.
You mean because it is produced with the help of a tiny little insect, it is animal based? I think you are "technically" correct but?????? I just don't know enough about veganism. But I respect anyone who stands up for his/her beliefs. Here is a link to some shellac info. www.pactind.org/shellac-resin/ thanks Sam
@@WYOMINGWOODTURNER I suppose it would depend on how strict the individual is with regard to their vegan beliefs but if one is selling a product then it really is on the vendor's shoulders to give full information on what they are selling :) ... (I am not a vegan)
@@steveellis8746 I do appreciate this info. It is something I never considered. Although the issue has never come up from a customer. but I will keep it in mind for the future. Thanks, Sam