Hmmmmmm...I have often wondered why when the Rollin Stones played their debut at the Marquee club on July 12th 1962 they didn't use the other guitarist from Brian's band ... Oh darn They couldn't use the other guitarist because Brian didn't have a band, did he? They used the guitarist from the Blue Boys.Keith Richards the band that Brian Joined. Why didn't they use the Lead singer from Brian Jones' band at the Marquee performance? Oh Gee Whiz they couldn't use the singer from Brian's band because Brian didn't have a band so they had to use the Blue Boys singer Mick Jagger. Did you ever wonder why at the Marquee debut the Rollin Stones didn't let the bass player from Brian's band play bass at that gig. Oh Shoot Brian didn't have a band so they had to use Dick Taylor the bass player from the Blue Boys because Brian didn't have a band with a bass player in it... Why in the world didn't the Rollin Stones use the Drummer from Brian's band? Darn the luck...Brian didn't have a band so there was no drummer from Brian's band so the used Tony Chapman the drummer for the Blue Boys. Darn the luck!Brian Jones must have been pretty darn smart to JOIN the BLUE BOYS band because they had a successfully established band with all the artists and players to perform all the instruments they needed,huh when they got the break they were hoping for.
That night Keith's band, the BlueBoys debuted at the Marquee Club with two new guys added (Brian and Ian) Mick from the BlueBoys, sang the lead and Keith from the Blue Boys played the main guitar with all the Chuck Berry style leads...Dick Taylor who played the bass for the Blue Boys played the bass and The drummer for the Blue Boys played drums for that renamed version of the Blue Boys the Rollin Stones with Two new members...Jones and Stewart. Some like to say that they all joined Brian's band but I have discovered that Brian did not have a band to join!. IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND! BRIAN JOINED THE BLUE BOYS AND THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME TO THE ROLLIN STONES. I guess all those Bill Wyman lies and myths about Brian founding the Stones was just a lot of hogwash HUH? All Brian did was to join the Blue Boys and they changed their name.
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@@interestingthingswithjc Thank you... I do what I can to dispel the lies and make people aware of the facts concerning The early Rolling Stones and the minor roll that Brian Jones played in their formation.
@@williardbillmore5713 It's so fascinating that it could all be a lie like you're so passionately expressing. Again, this is where socialisation in discussion around the podcast topic is really cool. The citations led me to understand that Brian Jones was crucial in forming The Rolling Stones, rather than simply joining an existing band. The sources seemed to give the impression that he played a key role in putting the group together, guiding them in choosing their name, and shaping their early identity, particularly their focus on blues music during the band's early years. ------------------ Ref: Richards, K. (2010). Life. Little, Brown and Company. This autobiography by Keith Richards gives a first-hand look at the band's early days, including how they formed and the influence of Brian Jones. Trynka, P. (2014). Brian Jones: The Making of the Rolling Stones. Penguin Books. This biography of Brian Jones provides an in-depth view of his life, his contributions to the band, and his role in its formation and early identity. ------ The information you're sharing about the "lie" as you call it, is this your opinion, or do you have some sources you could share/cite for us?...
Founding a band and naming a band are two different things. The Rollin Stones name was first suggested to Mick by Alexis Korner months before the change one night when Mick and Keith were sitting in with Blues incorporated at the Ealing Club after Mick sang the Muddy Waters song, Rollin Stone Blues... The entire band had discussed the name but Ian absolutely hated it and what it implied, so nothing was agreed to. When asked on the phone by a Jazz News reporter what the name of the band was, so they could promote their debut ...Brian blurted out the only name they had discussed making the new name official but Brian DID NOT come up with the name on his own as Keith has said in interviews. It makes a great story to say that Brian looked on the floor and saw the Muddy Waters album and read the name off, but the truth is that their apartment did not have a phone. They could not afford a residential phone and Jones was actually speaking from a pay phone booth on the street. There were no album covers on the floor of the phone booth. Keith likes to embellish to keep his interviews interesting and ironic. The Blue Boys were founded by Mick and Keith in 1961, well before Brian joined their band
That promo photo is not from that night. It was a much later appearance at the Marquee.The text and the photo are cut and pasted together. They represent two entirely different events. Bill did not join until December 1962 and Charlie did not become a member until January 1963. It would be many months AFTER their debut as the Rollin Stones before Bill and Charlie became members of the band.
@@Methilde Easily disprovable lie, Methilde. Either you are flat out lying or you have been grossly misled by someone. Charlie did not join until January 1963 and Bill did not even audition until December 1962. neither Charlie nor Bill were Rolling Stones members in July 1962. Answer me, what is your erroneous source or tell me why you are so blatantly lying.
You're a very rude character, you clearly read all my documents and used it since a while. I was talking about the words on the billboard as a proof much more serious than a photo all around on youtube documentaries . Since a long while i noticed that Charlie and Bill wastn't menbers in the early beginins (read my comment just above!) , stop to be so arrogant, it's just about music, your not the ultimate Stones preacher, so long.
@@Methilde i tend to be a rude character when people lie to my face like you did. You state; "It's a photo from the july 12 1962 first Marquee gig." It is impossible that photo could be from the july 12 1962 first Marquee gig." You were lying.
1962 were The Rollin' Stones Brian Jones (Guitar & Harmonica) Mick Jagger (Vocals) Keith Richards (Guitar) Dick Taylor (Bass) Ian Stewart (Piano) Mick Avory (Drums) only performance , later the drummer been Tony Chapman until January 1963 replaced by Charlie Watts 🎙️🎸🎹🥁👍
There remains some controversy as to who the drummer was on their first gig at the Marquee. Avroy claims it was not him . Mick says he doesn't remember, but many others are sure it was Tony Chapman. Chapman was playing and rehearsing with the Blue Boys in the summer of 62. The smart money is on Chapman.
@@mojoden Mick Avory YES later been the drumer of The Kinks. Dick Taylor left The Rolling Stones in November 1962 and nevermore play Bass or Guitar in any group. Finally Bill Wyman became on December 10th 1962
@@capitangorila4899 Do not write poppycock. Dick Taylor left the Stones because he wanted to play leadguitar and therefore founded The Pretty Things together with Phil May in 1963. At the age of almost 82, he still plays guitar and do concerts. Amazing talented guitar player!
Jazz News previewed the first Rolling Stones gig as such: “Mick Jagger, R&B vocalist, is taking an R&B group into the Marquee tomorrow night, while Blues Incorporated do their Jazz Club gig. Called The Rollin’ Stones. The line-up is: Mick Jagger (vocals), Keith Richards & Elmo Lewis (guitars), Dick Taylor (bass), Ian Stewart (piano), & Mick Avory (drums). A second group under Long John Baldry, will also be there.” Mick Avory, who later joined the Kinks, didn’t attend the gig on July 12, 1962, and no one can seem to recall if there even was a drummer - it would be six months before Charlie Watts was finally persuaded to join. Tony Chapman was rehearsing with the band around this time so he was most likely the drummer for the Rollin Stones that evening.
Listen to the video narration up to the thirty five second mark. Can anyone tell me what Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Dick Taylor and Tony Chapman have in common? They were not only original members of the Rollin Stones, But at the time those four guys had made up the entire blues band Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys, Mick and Keith's band formed and founded the year before in 1961. The other two guys Ian and Brian had just joined them about a month or so before their debut at the Marquee Club. Now does anyone knowing these *facts* still cling to the notion that Brian Jones somehow "formed and founded" the Rolling Stones?
How can anyone in their right mind say that Brian Jones "founded the Rolling Stones when their debut performance at the Marquee Club On July 12th 1962 consisted of the band called the Blue Boys, Keith's band that had been founded the year before. They had changed their name and they added two new players Brian and Ian Stewart but the rest of the band was Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Dick Taylor on Bass and the drummer Tony Chapman. The performers on stage that night were the entire Blue Boys band, Keith's band. The only group Brian Jones ever founded was the 27 club. It is all a myth and a lie to say that Brian Jones founded the Rolling Stones. Brian JOINED the Blue Boys,Keith's band and THAT band then changed their name to the Rollin Stones.
That promo photo is not from that night. It was a much later appearance at the Marquee.The text and the photo are cut and pasted together. They represent two entirely different events. Bill did not join until December 1962 and Charlie did not become a member until January 1963. It would be many months AFTER their debut as the Rollin Stones before Bill and Charlie became members of the band.
Interviewer: ---What were you doing before you joined? ( the band) Brian---Well just sort of bumming around, waiting for something to happen , really mmmmm I had quite a few jobs and I was trying to get a band going, but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith and then ...well THAT was a successful band. I suggest you look up the word "that" it is not a first person possessive noun. He didn't say "our band" or "my band" ... he clearly said "that" when he described Keith and Mick's band as "successful".
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Mick, Keith and Dick Taylor founded a blues band, in 1961 , that would become the Rolling Stones.. Bill wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Keith Mick and Dick Taylor made all those recordings that sounded impressively like the later Rolling Stones with Micks unmistakable song style and Keith's eclectic rhythm and blues accompaniment. Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Jones was unsuccessful at starting his own band and asked Keith if he and Ian could join the Blue Boys. Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Keith said yes and let them join his band... Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Alexis Korner suggested to Mick that Rollin Stone would make a good name for his band one evening at the Ealing Club when Mick and Keith sat in with Blues Inc., Alexis band. Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when they got their first real club gig and they all discussed changing their name to the Rollin Stones.. Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND,. when they debuted at the Marquee Club as the Rollin Stones. Bill wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Dick Taylor played bass for the Rolling Stones at the Marquee Club that night. Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, When Brian promised that he could get them gigs because he supposedly knew all the club owners but failed to do so handing that job over to Ian Stewart and others. Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, until late in 1962 , almost 1963 after all these things occurred. Why should anyone believe anything Bill Wyman says he remembers when at the time he was on the other side of London playing bass for another band the Cliftons and he didn't even know anyone in the Blue Boys OR the Rolling Stones? All the events I have cited here are easily tracked down on line, many of them coming from Brian Jones's own words. I was not there, true. But I believe the guy who was there,, Brian Jones...Why don't you?
@@SeptemberChild1835 Yes I am quite sure that Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE ROLLING STONES UNTIL ALMOST 1963. Do not believe anything Bill Wyman says about the band's history before 1963. HE JUST WASN'T THERE!.
Bill is lying when he says things like,"Brian founded the Stones, he picked the members, he named the band and chose the music they played" Jones did none of those things and Bill is in no position to talk about any of it anyway because he was not in the band and he did not know them when they first started and Brian joined the Blue Boys. Bill's main reason he tells these ridiculous lies is to get revenge on Keith and Mick because they did not attend Brian's burial like he and Charlie did. The source for most of these stupid lies is Jones himself. Bill and Brian were roommates on the road and they were very close. Brian filled Bill's head with these braggadocious lies about how the band was his before Bill joined. I don't think Bill really believed any of it but he loves to tell the tales Brian told him out of spite.
The only thing I hate about Bill is when he makes up lies about the early Stones when he wasn't even a member at the time. Wyman is the sole source of the myth that Brian formed, the band, " auditioned and hired" all the members, decided what they would play and that Brian led the band named the band and got them gigs. None of it is true. All four members of the Blue Boys ...Mick,Keith, Dick Taylor and Tony Chapman played under their new name The Rollin Stones with two new guys who had recently joined the Blue Boys when the Rollin Stones debuted July 12th 1962 at the Marquee Club in Soho. The only group of musicians Jones founded was the 27 club.
I saw Stones & Who at St Marks Theatre NYC , 1962-63 . Billed as the early British Invasion , Can you verify ? Went with band mates , We had little money , pieced together band equipment , Watching WHO destroy their equipment , Could not understand WHY ?
practically impossible to find raw footage of their "garage days" for some unknown reason. same thing w/ THE KINKS. yet ANOTHER prime example:SCREAMIN' LORD SUTCH. dude's onstage theatrics were unparalleled back in sept '60! 🤣 nonetheless,even extensive research yields almost nothing viewable...
There remains some controversy as to who the drummer was on their first gig at the Marquee. Avory claims it was not him . Mick says he doesn't remember, but many others are sure it was Tony Chapman. Although Avory did play some gigs as a Rolling Stone later on that year, Chapman was playing and rehearsing with the Blue Boys in the summer of 62. The consensus is that it was Chapman.
@@SeptemberChild1835 Bill was NOT a member of the Rolling Stones the summer they debuted . Bill was playing bass with a band at the other end of London called the cliftons. Bill has no idea how the band was formed. He wasn't there . Yet he likes to talk as though he has some authority on the subject He makes up lies about Brian founding and naming and leading the band. none of it is true. Brian joined Keith's band the Blue Boys and Keith was the musical leader and driving force behind all the writing. At their debut at the Marquee Club July 12 1962 te Rolling Stones bass guitar player was Dick Taylor... a school chum of both Mick and Keith. Wyman did not become a member until December of 1962 when Taylor left to start his own successful band, the Pretty Things.
@@SeptemberChild1835 NO, BILL WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND. though he likes to allow book writers and journalists to believe that he was a member from the beginning when they interview him..
@@williardbillmore5713 I was just kidding! I was alluding to how strident you were with your point that Bill wasn’t an original member. Twas just a joke! 😊
Brian was playing the Blues when Mick and Keith were wannabees sitting on a train platform talking about Chuck Berry records. It's to bad Brian was his own worst enemy. Mick and Keith carried the band forward, to their credit. Brian and Keith were very close at the beginning and I am certain Keith learned a lot from Brian. Just wish he would acknowledge it
The "wannabe" was Brian Jones. Keith and Mick had a complete blues band months before Brian joined the Blue Boys. Jones had no musical sense for rock and roll. Keith had to teach him just about everything Brian played on stage and in the studio. At the time they formed Keith had been playing all genres of guitar music for about nine years. Brian got is very first guitar for his 17th birthday , only a couple of years before he joined Keith and Mick's band and he had only been playing a handful of American blues songs to the exclusion of everything else. There was a lot of learning going on in that first year ...But Keith was very much the teacher and Brian was the pupil.
It was Keith and Mick who brought the entire Blue Boys band together and then when Brian and Ian asked to join they brought them in as well.. the Rollin Stones were Keith's band and he founded them.
@@RobertSchenewerk How the hell does someone found a band that they had just joined that had already been founded by two of the existing members the year before? Go look up who were the members of the Rollin Stones who performed at the Marquee Club July 12th 1962. Then go and look up who were the members of the Blue Boys in 1962... Mick Keith, Dick Taylor and Tony Chapman are on BOTH lists.The Blue Boys BECAME the Rollin Stones with two new guys added. Jones did not found shit.
@@RobertSchenewerk Founding a band and naming a band are two different things. The Rollin Stones name was first suggested to Mick by Alexis Korner months before the change one night when Mick and Keith were sitting in with Blues incorporated at the Ealing Club after Mick sang the Muddy Waters song, Rollin Stone Blues... The entire band had discussed the name but Ian absolutely hated it and what it implied, so nothing was agreed to. When asked on the phone by a Jazz News reporter what the name of the band was, so they could promote their debut ...Brian blurted out the only name they had discussed making the new name official but Brian DID NOT come up with the name on his own as Keith has said in interviews. It makes a great story to say that Brian looked on the floor and saw the Muddy Waters album and read the name off, but the truth is that their apartment did not have a phone. They could not afford a residential phone and Jones was actually speaking from a pay phone booth on the street. There were no album covers on the floor of the phone booth. Keith likes to embellish to keep his interviews interesting and ironic. The Blue Boys were founded by Mick and Keith in 1961, well before Brian joined their band
Jouw bewering klopt niet . Brian Jones had een band met oa Ian Steward en Brian vroeg aan Mick of die erbij wilde komen en Mick nam Keith mee . Om een of andere reden deed Dick Taylor ook mee als bas gitarist en daarna nam Bill Wymann het bas werk over Charlie Watts was een oude bekende van alle leden en werd later de drummer .
@@henkhor-pi5bm Nee, Henkhor. Je hebt de tijdlijn en wat er echt allemaal verkeerd is gebeurd. Twee jongens vormen geen band De band van Keith en Mick bleef intact met hun bassist Dick Taylor en hun drummer Tony Chapman. Brian en Ian zaten zonder band en vroegen om lid te worden van de Blue Boys. Keith en Mick waren het daarmee eens en dat is de band die debuteerde in de Marquee Club... Dick verliet de band in november om zijn eigen band op te richten, The Pretty Things, en Bill beantwoordde in december een advertentie voor een bassist. Charlie trad toe in januari 63 toen de band Blues Inc. van Alexis Korner uit elkaar ging en hij ook een goede band nodig had.
Hmmmmmm...I have often wondered why when the Rollin Stones played their debut at the Marquee club on July 12th 1962 they didn't use the other guitarist from Brian's band ... Oh darn They couldn't use the other guitarist because Brian didn't have a band, did he? They used the guitarist from the Blue Boys.Keith Richards the band that Brian Joined.
Why didn't they use the Lead singer from Brian Jones' band at the Marquee performance? Oh Gee Whiz they couldn't use the singer from Brian's band because Brian didn't have a band so they had to use the Blue Boys singer Mick Jagger. Did you ever wonder why at the Marquee debut the Rollin Stones didn't let the bass player from Brian's band play bass at that gig. Oh Shoot Brian didn't have a band so they had to use Dick Taylor the bass player from the Blue Boys because Brian didn't have a band with a bass player in it...
Why in the world didn't the Rollin Stones use the Drummer from Brian's band? Darn the luck...Brian didn't have a band so there was no drummer from Brian's band so the used Tony Chapman the drummer for the Blue Boys.
Darn the luck!Brian Jones must have been pretty darn smart to JOIN the BLUE BOYS band because they had a successfully established band with all the artists and players to perform all the instruments they needed,huh when they got the break they were hoping for.
That night Keith's band, the BlueBoys debuted at the Marquee Club with two new guys added (Brian and Ian) Mick from the BlueBoys, sang the lead and Keith from the Blue Boys played the main guitar with all the Chuck Berry style leads...Dick Taylor who played the bass for the Blue Boys played the bass and The drummer for the Blue Boys played drums for that renamed version of the Blue Boys the Rollin Stones with Two new members...Jones and Stewart. Some like to say that they all joined Brian's band but I have discovered that Brian did not have a band to join!.
IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND! BRIAN JOINED THE BLUE BOYS AND THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME TO THE ROLLIN STONES. I guess all those Bill Wyman lies and myths about Brian founding the Stones was just a lot of hogwash HUH?
All Brian did was to join the Blue Boys and they changed their name.
For anyone reading the comment from@@williardbillmore5713 this is exactly what Interesting Things is all about! We help bring forward a brief story, but then it's our socialization of the topic that brings forward more to the story. More that may have either been forgotten, known by few, or even a different perspective.
These are the details that sometimes people even delete from places like Wikipedia and elsewhere, or alternative thoughts supressed by platforms.
Appreciate your comment, your passion, and perspective. Truly. 👍
@@interestingthingswithjc Thank you... I do what I can to dispel the lies and make people aware of the facts concerning The early Rolling Stones and the minor roll that Brian Jones played in their formation.
@@williardbillmore5713 It's so fascinating that it could all be a lie like you're so passionately expressing. Again, this is where socialisation in discussion around the podcast topic is really cool.
The citations led me to understand that Brian Jones was crucial in forming The Rolling Stones, rather than simply joining an existing band.
The sources seemed to give the impression that he played a key role in putting the group together, guiding them in choosing their name, and shaping their early identity, particularly their focus on blues music during the band's early years.
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Ref:
Richards, K. (2010). Life. Little, Brown and Company. This autobiography by Keith Richards gives a first-hand look at the band's early days, including how they formed and the influence of Brian Jones.
Trynka, P. (2014). Brian Jones: The Making of the Rolling Stones. Penguin Books. This biography of Brian Jones provides an in-depth view of his life, his contributions to the band, and his role in its formation and early identity.
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The information you're sharing about the "lie" as you call it, is this your opinion, or do you have some sources you could share/cite for us?...
Notice how the hits stopped after Brian died Mick Taylor was the next best thing, funny huh? ☮️🎸
It was Brian Jones band sorry ☮️
Founding a band and naming a band are two different things. The Rollin Stones name was first suggested to Mick by Alexis Korner months before the change one night when Mick and Keith were sitting in with Blues incorporated at the Ealing Club after Mick sang the Muddy Waters song, Rollin Stone Blues...
The entire band had discussed the name but Ian absolutely hated it and what it implied, so nothing was agreed to. When asked on the phone by a Jazz News reporter what the name of the band was, so they could promote their debut ...Brian blurted out the only name they had discussed making the new name official but Brian DID NOT come up with the name on his own as Keith has said in interviews.
It makes a great story to say that Brian looked on the floor and saw the Muddy Waters album and read the name off, but the truth is that their apartment did not have a phone. They could not afford a residential phone and Jones was actually speaking from a pay phone booth on the street.
There were no album covers on the floor of the phone booth.
Keith likes to embellish to keep his interviews interesting and ironic.
The Blue Boys were founded by Mick and Keith in 1961, well before Brian joined their band
That promo photo is not from that night. It was a much later appearance at the Marquee.The text and the photo are cut and pasted together. They represent two entirely different events.
Bill did not join until December 1962 and Charlie did not become a member until January 1963. It would be many months AFTER their debut as the Rollin Stones before Bill and Charlie became members of the band.
It's a photo from the july 12 1962 first Marquee gig.
@@Methilde Easily disprovable lie, Methilde.
Either you are flat out lying or you have been grossly misled by someone.
Charlie did not join until January 1963 and Bill did not even audition until December 1962. neither Charlie nor Bill were Rolling Stones members in July 1962.
Answer me, what is your erroneous source or tell me why you are so blatantly lying.
You're a very rude character, you clearly read all my documents and used it since a while.
I was talking about the words on the billboard as a proof much more serious than a photo all around on youtube documentaries .
Since a long while i noticed that Charlie and Bill wastn't menbers in the early beginins (read my comment just above!) , stop to be so arrogant, it's just about music, your not the ultimate Stones preacher, so long.
@@Methilde The photo is not representing their first gig, because Dick Taylor is missing. Do your home work, before commenting.
@@Methilde i tend to be a rude character when people lie to my face like you did.
You state;
"It's a photo from the july 12 1962 first Marquee gig."
It is impossible that photo could be from the july 12 1962 first Marquee gig."
You were lying.
1962 were The Rollin' Stones
Brian Jones (Guitar & Harmonica)
Mick Jagger (Vocals)
Keith Richards (Guitar)
Dick Taylor (Bass)
Ian Stewart (Piano)
Mick Avory (Drums) only performance , later the drummer been Tony Chapman until January 1963 replaced by Charlie Watts 🎙️🎸🎹🥁👍
Mick Avory. Later drummer with the Kinks. Dick Taylor. Later guitarist with the Pretty Things.
There remains some controversy as to who the drummer was on their first gig at the Marquee. Avroy claims it was not him . Mick says he doesn't remember, but many others are sure it was Tony Chapman.
Chapman was playing and rehearsing with the Blue Boys in the summer of 62. The smart money is on Chapman.
@@mojoden Mick Avory YES later been the drumer of The Kinks.
Dick Taylor left The Rolling Stones in November 1962 and nevermore play Bass or Guitar in any group.
Finally Bill Wyman became on December 10th 1962
@@capitangorila4899 Do not write poppycock. Dick Taylor left the Stones because he wanted to play leadguitar and therefore founded The Pretty Things together with Phil May in 1963. At the age of almost 82, he still plays guitar and do concerts. Amazing talented guitar player!
Jazz News previewed the first Rolling Stones gig as such: “Mick Jagger, R&B vocalist, is taking an R&B group into the Marquee tomorrow night, while Blues Incorporated do their Jazz Club gig. Called The Rollin’ Stones. The line-up is: Mick Jagger (vocals), Keith Richards & Elmo Lewis (guitars), Dick Taylor (bass), Ian Stewart (piano), & Mick Avory (drums). A second group under Long John Baldry, will also be there.”
Mick Avory, who later joined the Kinks, didn’t attend the gig on July 12, 1962, and no one can seem to recall if there even was a drummer - it would be six months before Charlie Watts was finally persuaded to join. Tony Chapman was rehearsing with the band around this time so he was most likely the drummer for the Rollin Stones that evening.
Listen to the video narration up to the thirty five second mark. Can anyone tell me what Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Dick Taylor and Tony Chapman have in common? They were not only original members of the Rollin Stones, But at the time those four guys had made up the entire blues band Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys, Mick and Keith's band formed and founded the year before in 1961.
The other two guys Ian and Brian had just joined them about a month or so before their debut at the Marquee Club.
Now does anyone knowing these *facts* still cling to the notion that Brian Jones somehow "formed and founded" the Rolling Stones?
How can anyone in their right mind say that Brian Jones "founded the Rolling Stones when their debut performance at the Marquee Club On July 12th 1962 consisted of the band called the Blue Boys, Keith's band that had been founded the year before. They had changed their name and they added two new players Brian and Ian Stewart but the rest of the band was Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Dick Taylor on Bass and the drummer Tony Chapman.
The performers on stage that night were the entire Blue Boys band, Keith's band.
The only group Brian Jones ever founded was the 27 club.
It is all a myth and a lie to say that Brian Jones founded the Rolling Stones.
Brian JOINED the Blue Boys,Keith's band and THAT band then changed their name to the Rollin Stones.
Was this performance ever recorded?
Love those ties! And Keith's ears.
If Charlie and Bill weren't in the band or at this gig, how are they pictured in the promo photo?
That promo photo is not from that night. It was a much later appearance at the Marquee.The text and the photo are cut and pasted together. They represent two entirely different events.
Bill did not join until December 1962 and Charlie did not become a member until January 1963. It would be many months AFTER their debut as the Rollin Stones before Bill and Charlie became members of the band.
Photoshop.
Interviewer: ---What were you doing before you joined? ( the band)
Brian---Well just sort of bumming around, waiting for something to happen , really
mmmmm I had quite a few jobs and I was trying to get a band going, but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith and then ...well THAT was a successful band.
I suggest you look up the word "that" it is not a first person possessive noun. He didn't say "our band" or "my band" ... he clearly said "that" when he described Keith and Mick's band as "successful".
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Mick, Keith and Dick Taylor founded a blues band, in 1961 , that would become the Rolling Stones..
Bill wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Keith Mick and Dick Taylor made all those recordings that sounded impressively like the later Rolling Stones with Micks unmistakable song style and Keith's eclectic rhythm and blues accompaniment.
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Jones was unsuccessful at starting his own band and asked Keith if he and Ian could join the Blue Boys.
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Keith said yes and let them join his band...
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Alexis Korner suggested to Mick that Rollin Stone would make a good name for his band one evening at the Ealing Club when Mick and Keith sat in with Blues Inc., Alexis band.
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when they got their first real club gig and they all discussed changing their name to the Rollin Stones..
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND,. when they debuted at the Marquee Club as the Rollin Stones.
Bill wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, when Dick Taylor played bass for the Rolling Stones at the Marquee Club that night.
Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, When Brian promised that he could get them gigs because he supposedly knew all the club owners but failed to do so handing that job over to Ian Stewart and others. Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND, until late in 1962 , almost 1963 after all these things occurred. Why should anyone believe anything Bill Wyman says he remembers when at the time he was on the other side of London playing bass for another band the Cliftons and he didn't even know anyone in the Blue Boys OR the Rolling Stones?
All the events I have cited here are easily tracked down on line, many of them coming from Brian Jones's own words. I was not there, true. But I believe the guy who was there,, Brian Jones...Why don't you?
Are you quite sure that Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND!?!?!?!?! 🤔
@@SeptemberChild1835 Yes I am quite sure that Bill Wyman WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE ROLLING STONES UNTIL ALMOST 1963. Do not believe anything Bill Wyman says about the band's history before 1963.
HE JUST WASN'T THERE!.
Bill is lying when he says things like,"Brian founded the Stones, he picked the members, he named the band and chose the music they played" Jones did none of those things and Bill is in no position to talk about any of it anyway because he was not in the band and he did not know them when they first started and Brian joined the Blue Boys.
Bill's main reason he tells these ridiculous lies is to get revenge on Keith and Mick because they did not attend Brian's burial like he and Charlie did.
The source for most of these stupid lies is Jones himself. Bill and Brian were roommates on the road and they were very close. Brian filled Bill's head with these braggadocious lies about how the band was his before Bill joined. I don't think Bill really believed any of it but he loves to tell the tales Brian told him out of spite.
Hate Bill, much? 🤔
The only thing I hate about Bill is when he makes up lies about the early Stones when he wasn't even a member at the time. Wyman is the sole source of the myth that Brian formed, the band, " auditioned and hired" all the members, decided what they would play and that Brian led the band named the band and got them gigs.
None of it is true.
All four members of the Blue Boys ...Mick,Keith, Dick Taylor and Tony Chapman played under their new name The Rollin Stones with two new guys who had recently joined the Blue Boys when the Rollin Stones debuted July 12th 1962 at the Marquee Club in Soho.
The only group of musicians Jones founded was the 27 club.
@@williardbillmore5713 I auditioned for the 27 Club, but they turned me down. True story.
@@SeptemberChild1835 It seems you were a little too wise to join their ranks.
@@williardbillmore5713 Oh, I thought maybe it was lack of talent! 😃
Holy cow... Check out Keith's EARS... So Young
I saw Stones & Who at St Marks Theatre NYC , 1962-63 . Billed as the early British Invasion , Can you verify ? Went with band mates , We had little money , pieced together band equipment , Watching WHO destroy their equipment , Could not understand WHY ?
ther first gig was in richmond fact i was there
I don’t recall seeing you there. And I arrived early. 🤔
practically impossible to find raw footage of their "garage days" for some unknown reason. same thing w/ THE KINKS. yet ANOTHER prime example:SCREAMIN' LORD SUTCH. dude's onstage theatrics were unparalleled back in sept '60! 🤣 nonetheless,even extensive research yields almost nothing viewable...
You can find some home made recordind of the "Little boy blue and the blue boys" Dartford band, proto-Stones.
QEW ROAD CRAWDADDY CLUB FACT
I was born 1963.
Proof? 🤔
There remains some controversy as to who the drummer was on their first gig at the Marquee. Avory claims it was not him . Mick says he doesn't remember, but many others are sure it was Tony Chapman.
Although Avory did play some gigs as a Rolling Stone later on that year, Chapman was playing and rehearsing with the Blue Boys in the summer of 62. The consensus is that it was Chapman.
What about Bill Wyman? Was he a MEMBER OF THE BAND?!?!?! 🤔
@@SeptemberChild1835 Bill was NOT a member of the Rolling Stones the summer they debuted . Bill was playing bass with a band at the other end of London called the cliftons. Bill has no idea how the band was formed. He wasn't there . Yet he likes to talk as though he has some authority on the subject He makes up lies about
Brian founding and naming and leading the band. none of it is true. Brian joined Keith's band the Blue Boys and Keith was the musical leader and driving force behind all the writing.
At their debut at the Marquee Club July 12 1962 te Rolling Stones bass guitar player was Dick Taylor... a school chum of both Mick and Keith.
Wyman did not become a member until December of 1962 when Taylor left to start his own successful band, the Pretty Things.
@@SeptemberChild1835 NO, BILL WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BAND. though he likes to allow book writers and journalists to believe that he was a member from the beginning when they interview him..
@@williardbillmore5713 I was just kidding! I was alluding to how strident you were with your point that Bill wasn’t an original member. Twas just a joke! 😊
@@SeptemberChild1835 I am well aware that you were making light of my stridency... But sometimes relevant points need to be shouted to be heard.
It was right around this time that Brian Jones needed to be told that he must STOP HIS DRUGS.
When they were cleancut boys before Andrew loog Oldham changed them into the antithesis of the beatles
Antithesis of the Beatles! Yeah, the Stones were actually talented instrumentalists!! Beatles sucked! 😂😂
Brian was playing the Blues when Mick and Keith were wannabees sitting on a train platform talking about Chuck Berry records. It's to bad Brian was his own worst enemy. Mick and Keith carried the band forward, to their credit. Brian and Keith were very close at the beginning and I am certain Keith learned a lot from Brian.
Just wish he would acknowledge it
The "wannabe" was Brian Jones. Keith and Mick had a complete blues band months before Brian joined the Blue Boys. Jones had no musical sense for rock and roll. Keith had to teach him just about everything Brian played on stage and in the studio. At the time they formed Keith had been playing all genres of guitar music for about nine years. Brian got is very first guitar for his 17th birthday , only a couple of years before he joined Keith and Mick's band and he had only been playing a handful of American blues songs to the exclusion of everything else.
There was a lot of learning going on in that first year ...But Keith was very much the teacher and Brian was the pupil.
It was Keith and Mick who brought the entire Blue Boys band together and then when Brian and Ian asked to join they brought them in as well.. the Rollin Stones were Keith's band and he founded them.
That's a lie, it was Brian Jones who founded the stones NOT Kieth and Mick, he founded the bands name from a muddy waters song to.☮️any questions?
@@RobertSchenewerk How the hell does someone found a band that they had just joined that had already been founded by two of the existing members the year before?
Go look up who were the members of the Rollin Stones who performed at the Marquee Club July 12th 1962. Then go and look up who were the members of the Blue Boys in 1962...
Mick Keith, Dick Taylor and Tony Chapman are on BOTH lists.The Blue Boys BECAME the Rollin Stones with two new guys added.
Jones did not found shit.
@@RobertSchenewerk Founding a band and naming a band are two different things. The Rollin Stones name was first suggested to Mick by Alexis Korner months before the change one night when Mick and Keith were sitting in with Blues incorporated at the Ealing Club after Mick sang the Muddy Waters song, Rollin Stone Blues...
The entire band had discussed the name but Ian absolutely hated it and what it implied, so nothing was agreed to. When asked on the phone by a Jazz News reporter what the name of the band was, so they could promote their debut ...Brian blurted out the only name they had discussed making the new name official but Brian DID NOT come up with the name on his own as Keith has said in interviews.
It makes a great story to say that Brian looked on the floor and saw the Muddy Waters album and read the name off, but the truth is that their apartment did not have a phone. They could not afford a residential phone and Jones was actually speaking from a pay phone booth on the street.
There were no album covers on the floor of the phone booth.
Keith likes to embellish to keep his interviews interesting and ironic.
The Blue Boys were founded by Mick and Keith in 1961, well before Brian joined their band
Jouw bewering klopt niet . Brian Jones had een band met oa Ian Steward en Brian vroeg aan Mick of die erbij wilde komen en Mick nam Keith mee . Om een of andere reden deed Dick Taylor ook mee als bas gitarist en daarna nam Bill Wymann het bas werk over Charlie Watts was een oude bekende van alle leden en werd later de drummer .
@@henkhor-pi5bm Nee, Henkhor. Je hebt de tijdlijn en wat er echt allemaal verkeerd is gebeurd.
Twee jongens vormen geen band
De band van Keith en Mick bleef intact met hun bassist Dick Taylor en hun drummer Tony Chapman. Brian en Ian zaten zonder band en vroegen om lid te worden van de Blue Boys. Keith en Mick waren het daarmee eens en dat is de band die debuteerde in de Marquee Club... Dick verliet de band in november om zijn eigen band op te richten, The Pretty Things, en Bill beantwoordde in december een advertentie voor een bassist.
Charlie trad toe in januari 63 toen de band Blues Inc. van Alexis Korner uit elkaar ging en hij ook een goede band nodig had.