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anarchy , NO rules. and communist, the most strict totalitarian rules you can think of.
walking contradiction
ANARCHY:
Anarchy is a state in which there are no rulers; a rejection of hierarchy. The earliest recorded use of the word, from the early sixteenth century, simply meant “absence of government”, albeit with the implication of civil disorder. A similar but ameliorated meaning began to be employed in the nineteenth century, Christian era, in reference to a Utopian (that is, an idealistic) society that had NO GOVERNMENT.
The English term was borrowed from the Medieval Latin word, “anarchia”, borrowed from the Greek word, “anarkhía” (“lack of a leader, lawlessness”), from “ánarchos” (“without a head or chief, leaderless”), from “an-” + “-archos”, derivative of “archós” (“leader, chief”) + “-ia”.
It should be obvious that ANARCHY can never ever succeed, because even the smallest possible social unit (the nuclear family) requires a dominator. Any family will fall-apart without a strict male household head. Factually-speaking, without the husband/father, there is no family, by definition. The English noun “husband” comes from the Old Norse word “hûsbôndi”, meaning “master of the house”. A family is deficient without its head, just as a body without its head is incomplete. The same paradigm applies to the extended family, which depends on a strong patriarchal figure (customarily, the eldest or most senior male). Likewise, with clans, tribes, villages, towns, cities, and nations or countries.
Unfortunately, there are many otherwise-intelligent persons who honestly believe that an ENTIRE country can smoothly function without a leader in place. Any sane person can easily understand that even a nuclear family is unable to function properly without a head of the house, what to speak of a populous nation. The reason for anarchists’ distrust of any kind of government is due to the corrupt nature of democratic governments, and the adulteration of the monarchy in recent centuries. However, if anarchists were to understand that most all so-called “kings/queens” in recent centuries were not even close to being true monarchs, they may change their stance on that inane “system”.
Those abject fools who advocate for some kind of ANARCHISTIC society should be required to adhere to their own asinine ideology within their private domains. So, for example, a man who desires the absence of any form of national leadership, really ought to consent to that very same template upon his own family. He should not presume to be the head of his household, but rather, permit his wife and children to become his equals. Likewise, a housewife ought not rule over her children, an employer must not direct the actions of his employees, and so on, and so forth. Thereafter, it will become blatantly obvious that any form of anarchy cannot endure, assuming, of course, that in the case of a father, his household is not already fractured, which seems to be the case in most families, due to lax leadership as a consequence of poor government, crooked education, and feminism (which has as its not-so-tacit goal of destroying all forms of patriarchal structures, starting from the nuclear family). How unfortunate it is that anarchists usually can see the need for a hierarchical structure within their own domains, such as those mentioned above, yet quite impervious to the necessity of a strong regime on the national level. The hypocrisy is astounding! And for those idiots who would contend, “It is okay for me to be the head of my family but there should not be a government ruling over me”, that is not a logical argument, but merely an unjustified, emotive assertion, motivated by the fact that we humans have not been governed by a legitimate regime for at least a couple of centuries. Of course, this is not to imply that every monarch in ancient history was a holy and righteous king (or even an actual king, by definition), but the fact that we humans have survived this long, suggests that they were not the kind of demonic, evil, murderous, thieving scumbags who have ruled-over every single country and nation on the planet during the past few hundred years or so.
Right if you just slam the words together and take them at face value sure. But if you go to the internet, try it sometime, and look it up, you’ll find what it actually means. Language thrives, changes, and evolves.
@@visageofperil7112 Oh yea? What is it now smarty, educate us who stick to basic definitions of basic words. Let us know about your new, made up meaning of them, please.
Anarchism: "a political theory advocating the abolition of hierarchical government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion."
Communism: "a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
Anarcho-communism: "calls for the abolition of private property but retention of personal property and collectively-owned items, goods, and services. It supports social ownership of property and the distribution of resources "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs""
From my understanding, anarchism is an approach to political reform by dismantling institutions determined by citizens to not serve them. This could be accomplished in a number of ways, the most obvious being democratically. Communism, being an economic system, can be applied in conjunction with it to help establish free association, which is paramount for anarcho-communists.
Anarchism and communism have been rebranded and repurposed so that they now barely represent their original texts and movements to society at large. Some of the biggest supporters of labor rights and unionization were anarchists in the early 1900s, despite organizing groups into independent power structures seeming somewhat antithetical to what anarchism has now come to represent.
In any case, someone can believe in an ideology based on its merits without necessarily believing it should/could be implemented in real-world cases. Thought experiments on what a utopia could look like have led to much ideation on more gradual improvements to governance.
@@bluu389one of the first rules of komies, adapt language.
Oh yeah the USSR worked really well 😂😂😂
Then it fell apart at the seams. What did they use to stitch it together? Duct tape?
The Russians who were murdered would say otherwise...but they can't testify because the communist FILTH killed them.
By the way...if Catalonia is so great, why doesn't the student go enjoy living there?
@@Cyantiger7 With duct tape they could've held it together for five more minutes but duct tape only gets produced with capitalism 😆
Don't forget the closes example we have 90 miles from Florida. A rotten system thst has cripple and destroyed a whole nation for the past 60 years.
It did manage to stop Germany
I'm Spanish. I can assure you, based on what he's said, that he has no idea about the Catalonian history... I respect any political idea, but at least read a history book before debating about something!
I saw some Documentary/Report on all that Union thing, & the guys look miserable.
Basically, "the same crap, a different political affiliation".
@@bestdjaf7499 I don't think I'm getting what you're saying; could you be more specific, please?
But Catalonia was anarcho-syndicalist during the Spanish civil war so the student isn't wrong. it's just hard to determine whether that's a case of successful communism as it was prematurely ended by the Spanish fascists.
@@llucgavalda781
I actually thought they were talking about Mondragon Corporation.
Well, highly praised by the Socialists in the West, the workers are not as happy as you would expect.
Actually 15% left in 2022.
Btw, they are against globalization & promoting BRIC.
As a "Liberal" you should be conserned.
They seem more inline with the Republicans.
❤ Catalonia is so amazing. Greetings from Germany
WTF. I am from spain... he wrong.
I am more surprised he was able to say the name right. I mean the Netherlands are suppose to an gay right utopia according to those students.
I am afraid to tell them the truth to be honest as I doubt they would believe me, and I'm from the Netherlands
@@arnoldtettero8470it's because they've been fed a lot of bullshit about what things are by a lot of people that were fed the same bullshit by people that were fed the same bullshit. It's why they don't understand that Nordic countries are high welfare high tax capitalist but believe that's socialism. It's the result of idealized beliefs getting pushed at them so much that they just accept it.
Why let idiots embarrass themselves, its fun to let them prove there wrong.
Catalonia is a region in NE Spain.
@@user-oi7qv6it3kof course the person from Spain knows that
It worked so well that you won't leave America.
Damn this fine education system in the United States sure is rolling out some intelligence😂😂😂😂😂😂.
College and Grad schools have turned into the playground for over paid narrow minded Professors, let's get our university's back to ABCs and 123s ...please
🙄😳
Catalan person here… this dude has no idea what he is talking about… Catalonia is and has always been a place of entrepreneurial spirit , opposite to communism
@kazuhiramiller1983the one where they had 5 different parties fighting each other?
Ikr????❤
That's asinine thinking that everyone should own their own means of production to manufacture and produce everything that they need individually... Not one person on the planet has the capability to bring together all the materials necessary to manufacture a #2 pencil
False.
i actuually have all the materials needed. but for a different reason.
Well, you’re right I can’t bring together the materials for number two pencil, but I can build other things as an engineer and I’d probably be very rich in this new world order which is terribly dumb, but I’m down for it. At least I know my family will survive well.😂
Right on.
@@stronglove4cocacola elucidate? I doubt you can wipe your own backside without the labour of others and the legacy of many. To give one example - you need to set up your own You Tube, not just do the App connection, all of it -including the hardware and software you are using, and remember to thank a Jew, - I'm waiting... moʁon.
I Can't Believe What Has happened To Our Youth !
Democrat NEA and Teachers Union.
Give credit where credit is due.
Charlie wins, communist loses!
In communism everyone loses
🇺🇸 👍🏾
Wasn't much of a battle.
another 19 year old with all the answers……😂
If I’ve ever seen a Chinese spy
Bet the parents are Sleeper Cells too 🙄😂
Anarchy and communist. Bwahaha!
Relabeling the thing that didn't work doesn't make it work "this time."
When your argument relies on a country that fell apart in 6 months, your argument is invalid
I find it hilarious they add word to communist and think the title sounds cool. smh.
Kinda like chubby fit, or giant dwarf. Makes no sense.
An oxymoron
I'm an Anarco Communist.
It's like a fine wine type of communism. Aren't I chic?? Capitalism is just so passe.
lol
Ironically, modern communists ARE the bourgeoisie.
Perfectly summed up lol
😂 nailed it
"It worked well but, for the most part, it now kinda fell apart.".....
Does this guy even hear himself talk?? 😄
Anacho communism is an oxymoron.
Shows the delusion -- they actually believe people will voluntarily work for the benefit of others, without the overwhelming majority soon cutting all possible corners.
No, it isn't. Communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless society. It's fine to hate the idea but at least get that part right. 'Communist state' is an oxymoron. Systems that many in the west think of as communist never claimed to be.
Completely, and the idiot doesn't even know!
Not really, It would be a form of communism where participation is optional. It's more the fact that communism has never worked that makes it questionable.
On a realistic and practical level, yes it is.
To show how deluded they are it would require everyone to participate voluntarily, which anyone who thinks about it knows is never going to happen.
It does not work. NEVER HAS NEVER WILL.
"It worked, but then it collapsed."
That means it didn't work, genius.
I'm from Catalonia. During the civil war, there were indeed anarchosocialist communes. They massacred clergy, church goers, right wingers, and even nonanarchist communists! If that's "working well", alright then.
Save America ya'll quit voting Democrat.
100% agree
This time it’s gonna work guys
What do you mean by communism.
People owning their own businesses.
You mean Capitalism.
Lol
But, but, but wait ... "the owners own their own means of production." ISN'T THAT CAPITALISM?
He's "intelligent" but failed or chose to study China, North Korea and the Soviet Union.
Communism (socialism) and anarchy are opposite ends of the spectrum.
And what the liberals LOOOOOOOOVE to ignore is the fact that FASCISM sits way on the extreme left hand side of the political spectrum, right next to it's brother communism. They cannot stand that, and the younger dumber ones don't even actually KNOW that because they've had nothing but lies fed to them by their marxist indoctrinators all their lives.
I’ve been a self employed man for over 40 years and I live in a Capitalist society. Being self employed means that I own the means of my own production, essentially this is what Capitalism is. Communism is when the government owns the means of production and the people have to work at what they are assigned and in my opinion that is Corporatism. Long live Capitalism.
The largest stockholders in corporations are pension fund.
"The owners should own their own means of production..." like, starting your own business?
How can he say, that's my example, with a straight face ?! LOL
Anarcho-Communism? ..you cannot make this shit up..
Thank you, Pastor Charlie Kirk for the truth. When you know the truth, it will set you free the keyword in this is know. when you know something, it becomes part of you. It’s not a superficial thing. It’s a thing that is an actual part of you.
Get these people out!
So true! Communism has worked nowhere
Is that a new pronounce for communist or there is also she they communist ?
In fact, the current excuse is that, as long as the whole world is not communist, communism doesn't exist. That makes it so the demented rooting for it can go on doing so for the rest of their miserable lives.
Comrade.
* As, Comrade Amio Roseto.
I thought you should know that.
Charlie you are BRILLIANT!!
Catalonia was indeed anarcho-syndicalist from 1936-39 but that quickly ended when the fascists won the Spanish civil war. So actually it is hard to determine whether it is a case of successful communism as it was prematurely ended by the Spanish fascists aided by Hitler.
That single person clapping is comedy Gold!
...they think they are wise but really are fools.
It fell apart but worked for a couple of months. True success.
"It worked well, but kinda fell apart".
If that's your example of worked well, you are in BIG trouble.
Armchair commie. I grew up with one. Never been anywhere. A library genius.
It worked, it fell apart and now it’s coming back.
No my dear, it didn’t work.
Does this kid have parents? Really? I’m so embarrassed for him. If I was his parent… OMG.
He's really not a communist just an unemployyed student with no hard skill and determined career path to earn the American dream. Once he gets his $hit together he'll realize that America is still the land of opportunity.
Is that why there are more empty houses then homeless people. And yet we have a serious homeless problem?
@gothpunkboy89 Evidently, you haven't been overseas to see how people in 2nd and 3rd world countries live. Many of these people would love an opportunity to work in the US.
Got to ask why they are homeless..are large majority are mentally ill, addicted to drugs, unskilled and zero structure in life. Most of these soon to be homeless person stayed with friends and family members until they wear out they're welcome.
At the end of the day, it's not Republican, Democrats, big business, family, govt, police etc that keeps you from success. It's that person in the mirror
Also, many of these vacant homes are located in blighted communities where the local government policies stifles gentrification.
@@gothpunkboy89 If you honestly answer me one question, I'll send you 100 bucks. Why do people like you never live, move to, not even set foot once (!) in their whole lifetime in any communist country, never at all even attempt to, just empty parroted words, why?
Be careful what you wish for. I’m an owner, and with employees like this, paying for AI and robots becomes very very easy.
His best case "worked" for about 6 months. That's no way to run a country, son.
Channeling the words of his professors.
These students like to imagine an impossible civilization that can never and has never worked. Why do they bother?
"Catalonia" is not a country.
Communism worked fine for seventy years. People just decided they didn't want it anymore.
Buyer's remorse much?
I don't understand why people in this new younger generation thinks that going back to 1819 or to 1962 and bitching and complaining about something and then trying to resolve that by making everybody in America miserable, instead of just taking their little degrees that they get from their little DA colleges, and going on out and getting a job and trying to enjoy their lives. They got to make trouble and a miserable existence for everybody. What's wrong with these people.
It doesn't matter if it works or not.
What matters if it's a good thing logically.
And communism = less freedom.
So as flawed and bad that Capitalism may be, I'd rather have freedom but no justice, than have justice without freedom.
It’s sad colleges are teaching us to accept that kind of government.
I’ll change the subject: what countries implemented abortion without degrading liberty or falling into fascism?
All the young adults of every generation have always wanted to make themselves stand out And think they have fresh ideas about how the world should operate.. you have to know the question before you can have the answer
owning their own means of production is capitalism not communism. Under communism the collective people (aka society, aka government owns the means of production)
I love how so many people are communists but don’t even understand what they are talking about.
The reason it has never worked is because the wrong people were in charge
If I'm in charge it'll be just fine
Every single time.
Calm down Peter, when you get hungry you go full Stalin.
@@alucard8433that’s his point dude
@@alucard8433anarchists were opposed to Stalin lol
@@JackJanuary What do anarchists have to do with what i said?
I gamble all the time and won $5 once
Therefore gambling is good
#Facts
#StoppingSocialism
#AwakeNotWoke
#EndTheIdiocracy
Imagine advocating for an political system that A) has always failed, B) Always has fallen into extreme corruption by the higher ups.
Anarchism rejects having higher ups; they even opposed the USSR
Why don’t these people get that the means of production literally means your phone, house, car, land, clothes, food, everything and anything. And by “the people” they mean the government, but yet they complain about our government but still want to give them more power. Except for any right that limits the amount of people on earth
No, he is an anarcho-communist, that means he wants to eliminate the state and replace it with a system where the workers manage the place where they work, disappearing the bosses.
Would have loved to see his answer on that
It doesnt matter the system. The leaders make a lot of money and everyone else suffers
The 'anarchist" falls apart like a cheap taco why confronted by his own nonsense. 😮
Anarchy is chaos. Communism is absolute control. Anarcho-Communism is an Oxymoron. Dumb.
Not really, anarcho-communism is different to statist communism
@@JackJanuary It IS an oxymoron. They are different in the way that I described. Don't bother with some flimsy explanation. Anarcho-anything is lawless chaos.
Pol pot was right according to this guy. He wants year 1, a restart.
Flannel used to mean working man. Now its just a fashion disaster.
Did he say he was a Moronic Communist?
Communism: the communal/community ownership of the means of production.
Socialism: the societal/social ownership of the means of production.
The anarchist and soviet communist fought each other during the closing stages of the Spanish Civil War while members of the Republician forces.
In literally every example of countries, societies, or even semi large groups of people attempting to be communis, it has ALWAYS ended very badly
They cut out the part where he admitted it only worked for 6 months.
Cataluña never was anarchy. They fought against 1 king and won the other one.
The Catalonian project cannot sensibly be offered as an example of successful communism. 1. It was far too brief to determine anything. 2. The reason it didn't implode in even that short space of time, was because they were under constant bombardment by Franco and his allies. They were forced to work together. 3. Because they were under constant siege, they could do little, other than fight. They also controlled little outwith their military effort - so, they weren't able to do much that was distinctly anarcho communist.
It worked well ....until it didnt.
“Can you articulate what you mean by (insert anything anti-capitalism here)?”
“Sorry, no I can’t but I’m sure it’s worked somewhere for some period of time.”
How can you enforce communism and anarchy at the same time?
All of these entitled youngsters who think that they know everything without haven't even lived long enough let alone having any real experience altogether 🤷🙍🤮
UA-cam won't let me call this guy an idiot in my comments. What's up with that?
They wouldn't let me link definitions to anarchism, communism, or anarcho-communism either. Was just trying to explain it's nothing new to all the people being like "this new woke version of communism...", regardless of its merits or lack thereof, and I guess thats against their Terms of Use lol.
We should all chip in and get him a 1 way ticket to Cuba North Korea or China.
He wants and wants and wants but doesn’t want to work for his wants . He wants everyone else to pay his way . Sorry not me . I grew up poor and will never allow the government to take anymore of what I earn from working with my back & hands & sweat just to give it to someone who refuses to do the minimum to make money for themselves ! Nope .
Communism has been working in US through social security and tax system in conjunction with capitalism. I don't know any countries these days with full capitalism eco system. There was a time with 100% capitalism in US till early 1900 and see how well capitalism worked with rich vs. poor distribution. Any economy system in extreme does not work and needs well balanced amongst capitalism, socialism, and communism.
Agree. These ideological fevers ignore the reality that capitalism and communism are both extremes, and extremism doesn't end well. Elements from both sides are needed.
Catalonia? .05% of people know where that is
He's a Penthouse Proletariat.
Even though he lost this kid was respectful and came prepared unlike 99.999% of the kids on these vids to top points for that
This is why kids shouldn't vote and should work at McDonald's and shut it
You can't be an anarcho communist. It's a social ideology not a personality
Ive never herd of that country
@twoeyedjack6836 then why would the young man use that province?
@@xXstevieOo The young man calls himself an Anarcho Communist he doesnt seem to know anything to be fair.
I like the times when capitalism worked. Not the times when capitalism didn't work out great for all, the other capitalism.
I was living communist’s country for over 30 years, I was born in China. It’s a terrible country and no human rights, and no chance for normal people to get fair justice. I moved to U.S 10years ago, I love this country and I am happy to work hard and pay taxes because this is the best country in the world.
I find it troubling that these kids think they're smart for knowing what they know but arent smart enough to see the basics of documented history
hmmm, he didn´t say anything wrong. Before and during the civil war the anarchist communes in certain parts of Spain were working pretty well until Franco conquered the area and he eliminated all the information of their progress.
He certainly looks the part
He just proved Charlie's point. Talking about a country that did so well under anarcho communism that then fell apart. That's the point we're trying to make. Most governments and rulers appear to work well for a while, but when shit hits the fan, they completely disintegrate. Talk about a honeymoon phase. The strength and value of any governmental or economic system lies not in how it performs under the best circumstances, but how it performs under the worst circumstances. Yes, capitalism has its flaws, and democracy is far from perfect, but when the world enters a depression or citizens start complaining, capitalism doesn't fall apart and Democratic republics don't start enslaving and killing their people.
I think that most people could get on board with a socialist/communist society if there was an absolute guarantee that the people in charge would never get greedy and that everyone would happily do their part and be willing to sacrifice for the greater good. After all, that's how scriptures describe life after the second coming of Jesus, so yes, socialism and communism are what I would describe as the perfect governmental system, but only under an equally perfect leader. A communist government can only ever be as good and equal as the people in power, so until we have a leader who is completely flawless, communism and socialism cannot work long term.
I used to think the same, but it’s inherently immoral to inhibit one’s ability to advance in a chosen profession, and reap the rewards proportional to one’s efforts. Everyone deserves baseline necessities, but beyond that you should be able to work for what you want and it shouldn’t be handed to those that don’t.
@@twistedbydesign5216 That's why I made the distinction between actual communism and ideal communism. Under ideal communism, every person would work the job that best suits them, and everyone would have everything that they need plus some excess currency to indulge their wants. That, obviously, is not possible given that humans are flawed by nature and have a natural tendency to desire more and compete with others.
As far as it being inherently immoral to inhibit one's ability to advance and a chosen profession, it's not, at least according to the ethical theories I can think of. It might not be as pleasant for people to be limited in their profession, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it, especially when it's in the name of the greater good.
Coming to charlie and calling yourself an anarcho communist is optically ruinous.
Call yourself a syndicalist or a socialist because those things are both valid criticisms and ammendments to capitalism whilst being in the realm of feesibility.
Democratising the workplace should be a priority.
This dude is smart. Seriously impressed sometimes.
That kiddo knows nothing
Anarcho-Communism is another way of saying there is going to multiple sets of rules for certain classes of people. Rules for thee but not for me.