Its great to see Exterminators work in 10th Ed. Darleks eat your heart? Out! Thanks Mordian for this army list. I would take an infantry blob to go with the Lord Solar and command HQ. I dont have any Kreig as GW is over 3x years behind in supplying models.
What do you think about Gaunts ghost for secondaries? You can pick them up and place them each turn instead of scions, who only come in once through deep strike. They have stealth as well as Lone operative, first strike and infiltrators. And they always get cover too. The sniper rifle is heavy but BS 2+ with pricision and a whopping damage 4 with -2 ap. The autocanon is nice too for a guardsmen rifle. They can issue two orders and are only 100 pts. I'm thinking about my first guards list in this edition and quite frankly, the ghosts look pretty good.
They're very good for exactly what you say. Almost every top placing list on BCP takes them. 6 out of the 7 guard lists from last weekends Worlds had them for example.
Good, but 100pts is a lot to ask for 1 squad to do do objectives. I would rather take 2 units so I can score max on things like behind enemy lines. Saves list points and scores same or more victory points
@@MordianGlory i think the value og gaunts is comapred to like 2 5 man scions is that they actually have good chances of survival to do something the next turns so over 5 rounds i think ghaunts outvalues 2x scions
And when they aren't scoring, Ghosts are actually pretty shooty. The sniper wrecked a Space Marine player last game for me when he killed a Lieutenant and a chaplain on between scoring.
Weekly-ish explanation that the Rogal Dorn's autocannon has a backwards Coaxial rule. Instead of using the autocannon to range in the big gun, the big gun ranges in the autocannon! Hence the 3+ BS since I guess that would have been overpowered the other way around.
It's a 3rd party turret from Kromlech. Technically it is the Vanquisher barrel, but I just prefer the look. The regular battle cannon looks a bit stumpy
Interesting list, I dig the mix of infantry and tanks. I'm going to try a variant of this, which has Lord Solar with a Platoon Command Squad in a 20-man Infantry Squad (3 mortars between both squads), plus 2 20-men Cadian Shock Trooper squads led by a Castellan each, and 3 double-flamer Chimeras carrying a 10-man Catachan Squad each (with 2 flamers) to rush towards the middle objectives. As for damage, I take a Castigator Rogal Dorn with triple Heavy Stubber, a Leman Russ Battle Tank and a Leman Russ Exterminator. For support I take 2 Engineseers and a unit of 3 Scout Sentinels with autocannons (I'm not so sure about this unit since I don't have any heavy artillery, but even if the ignore-penalty part of the ability isn't used for anything more than 3 mortars, the rest of the unit is brilliant). Last, I have a unit of Kasrkin with double meltas and double plasmas to leave in reserve and deliver a key strike into something valuable (I'm tempted to ditch the Scout Sentinels for another unit of Kasrkins).
I think I would drop one exterminator to throw in 2 scout sentinels and Creed. We end up with up to 3 units that have their save worsened by 1 or 1 unit with their save worsened by 3 because Ursula gets that free stratagem for field of fire and you can do it twice in 1 phase and because it’s a stratagem it doesn’t include the “enemy unit can only be affected by this once per phase” shtick. Also 2 daring recons for the re-roll 1s and removing the -1 to hit on indirect fire.
Do you have all of the different sculpts for each infantry type? I’m considering getting all of the same designs but painting them slightly differently so both my opponent and I can tell them apart
My last battle Straken wounded Magnus with his shotgun on the way in. Then slugged him across the face. Then died. They had already killed 20 blues, numerous brimstone
Mordian have you looked closely at the Dedicated Transport and scouts interaction rules? I think you really should if not and think of all those Catachan and Kasrkin. I’m absolutely certain you will see the power in it.
Do you think there is any world in which you can take a list without Lord Solar and feel good about it? Or is Solar just required in every guard list now?
Required. No other units in guard will make up for the loss of force multiplier because he can order 3 baneblades if you had them. Also redeploy to fake out enemy’s battle plan. AND free CP.
You can do it but only in a world where you only need 2 tank orders the problem with lorf solar is he is so darn expensive and he does bo real damage by him self nor is he tanky. Orders are basically a must for the gaurd and command tanks only giving one base make them difficult to give out if lord solar had a 12" give orders range you might be able to cut the command squad but as it is that is nessasery for the master vox and then of course to get him in the same unit as the command squad you have to the a unit to be a caddy for both of them just awkward 245 with 10 mam infantry platoon or 305 with a 20 240/300 if you use catachans but catachans are nothing but boddies when used a a lord solar catty better off with an infantry squad and get the mortor to plink with 2 mortars if you going 10 man 3 if going the full 20. Do not get ne wrong the redeploy is still useful though not as good as a after first turn is decided redeploy and the extra cp is great but if you can find a way not to take him and still have the order coverage it is worth looking at
I’m torn between the Russ’ or just doing scions and Pysker in Primes. I think you have much more effective tools to deal with taking me holding secondaries but you lose a lot of anti armor.
I agree with you many times, but not this time tho... Lokks like a list wich can do nothing good at any situation tho😢 That said, it's just disagreement! Great videos in general!! Keep up the good work ❤
Nothing in the same ballpark of points can fill the same role. That being said I'd simply shift the units you use. Possibly take another krieg blob and another unit of 5 scions for scoring? Really depends on the options you have
2 armoured sentinels (reroll wounds) 2 scout sentinels (reroll 1 to hit) good combo and cost the same as a dorn. so with take aim on ur armoured sentinels will hit on 3 (reroll 1) and re rolls to wound
How can 2 leaders be added to the catachans, I’m confused as the core rules state an attached unit can only have one leader (unless otherwise specified)
@@-BL1NKY alright well then why not earthshaker carriages and at least save a few points? (also manticores are still a threat to elite infantry and you can almost have 3 of them instead of 2 for around the same relative price)
Yeah, it definitely is tough, which is probably the only thing i would say it has going for it. I don't rate it it for that though I'm afraid, take two tech priests and a russ instead, give out 4+ ward saves to the russes and they're suddenly tougher than the dorn, with better sponson options, a HK missile and for 100 points less. @@MordianGlory
Nah I just painted them all when the rules said that you need to have models all the same colour scheme and there was over arching regiment rules, not datasheets for each regiment
Tbh you don't wanna do this against most competent opponents anyways, because you NEED that blob (to keep orders coming). So keeping it on your backfield objective as safe as possible and using it to screeen deep strikers is the smart choice in most cases.
using exactly the same model, painted exactly the same way to represent different models with very different rules is BS. You know your taking advantage, you should at the very least have them painted in a way different enough to be able to tell from 3ft that they are not the same. I have no idea how you keep getting away with this at events.
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Where is the pinned comment with the updated list?
Its great to see Exterminators work in 10th Ed. Darleks eat your heart? Out! Thanks Mordian for this army list. I would take an infantry blob to go with the Lord Solar and command HQ. I dont have any Kreig as GW is over 3x years behind in supplying models.
Print your krieg you save monry
Lambast him viewers, lambast him!
What do you think about Gaunts ghost for secondaries? You can pick them up and place them each turn instead of scions, who only come in once through deep strike. They have stealth as well as Lone operative, first strike and infiltrators. And they always get cover too. The sniper rifle is heavy but BS 2+ with pricision and a whopping damage 4 with -2 ap. The autocanon is nice too for a guardsmen rifle. They can issue two orders and are only 100 pts.
I'm thinking about my first guards list in this edition and quite frankly, the ghosts look pretty good.
They're very good for exactly what you say. Almost every top placing list on BCP takes them. 6 out of the 7 guard lists from last weekends Worlds had them for example.
Good, but 100pts is a lot to ask for 1 squad to do do objectives. I would rather take 2 units so I can score max on things like behind enemy lines.
Saves list points and scores same or more victory points
@@MordianGlory i think the value og gaunts is comapred to like 2 5 man scions is that they actually have good chances of survival to do something the next turns so over 5 rounds i think ghaunts outvalues 2x scions
And when they aren't scoring, Ghosts are actually pretty shooty. The sniper wrecked a Space Marine player last game for me when he killed a Lieutenant and a chaplain on between scoring.
@@mtuktuk9627 Yep, a lot of lists double up on their secondary scoring by adding a Callidus (or 5 Scions) along with the Ghosts.
Weekly-ish explanation that the Rogal Dorn's autocannon has a backwards Coaxial rule. Instead of using the autocannon to range in the big gun, the big gun ranges in the autocannon! Hence the 3+ BS since I guess that would have been overpowered the other way around.
i don't have basilisks myself so I think I might just have to run either heavy weapon squads or field ordnance because I got 2 sets of 2 of those
Can't go wrong with mortar
I love running my narrative basilisk and infantry list but you need a list like this if want fair scrap 😊
Was going to comment about the command squad. Nice catch… Love krieg with my command squads.
Isn't that the vanquisher gun not the battle tank gun on your leman Russ? Also that turret is so nice. Is that a new kit or custom made?
It's a 3rd party turret from Kromlech. Technically it is the Vanquisher barrel, but I just prefer the look. The regular battle cannon looks a bit stumpy
Interesting list, I dig the mix of infantry and tanks.
I'm going to try a variant of this, which has Lord Solar with a Platoon Command Squad in a 20-man Infantry Squad (3 mortars between both squads), plus 2 20-men Cadian Shock Trooper squads led by a Castellan each, and 3 double-flamer Chimeras carrying a 10-man Catachan Squad each (with 2 flamers) to rush towards the middle objectives. As for damage, I take a Castigator Rogal Dorn with triple Heavy Stubber, a Leman Russ Battle Tank and a Leman Russ Exterminator. For support I take 2 Engineseers and a unit of 3 Scout Sentinels with autocannons (I'm not so sure about this unit since I don't have any heavy artillery, but even if the ignore-penalty part of the ability isn't used for anything more than 3 mortars, the rest of the unit is brilliant). Last, I have a unit of Kasrkin with double meltas and double plasmas to leave in reserve and deliver a key strike into something valuable (I'm tempted to ditch the Scout Sentinels for another unit of Kasrkins).
Looking forward to the after action report
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Looks very flexible. The Emperor protects!
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I think I would drop one exterminator to throw in 2 scout sentinels and Creed. We end up with up to 3 units that have their save worsened by 1 or 1 unit with their save worsened by 3 because Ursula gets that free stratagem for field of fire and you can do it twice in 1 phase and because it’s a stratagem it doesn’t include the “enemy unit can only be affected by this once per phase” shtick. Also 2 daring recons for the re-roll 1s and removing the -1 to hit on indirect fire.
Do you have all of the different sculpts for each infantry type? I’m considering getting all of the same designs but painting them slightly differently so both my opponent and I can tell them apart
My last battle Straken wounded Magnus with his shotgun on the way in. Then slugged him across the face. Then died. They had already killed 20 blues, numerous brimstone
Mh...no Manticore, no Sentinel, no Creed. I am not convinced Mr Mordian. I am not convinced!
Bit will try it anyway myself 😊
Mordian have you looked closely at the Dedicated Transport and scouts interaction rules? I think you really should if not and think of all those Catachan and Kasrkin. I’m absolutely certain you will see the power in it.
How does this list fair against melee armies and also heavy vehicle or heavy monsters?
Do you think there is any world in which you can take a list without Lord Solar and feel good about it? Or is Solar just required in every guard list now?
Required. No other units in guard will make up for the loss of force multiplier because he can order 3 baneblades if you had them. Also redeploy to fake out enemy’s battle plan. AND free CP.
You can do it but only in a world where you only need 2 tank orders the problem with lorf solar is he is so darn expensive and he does bo real damage by him self nor is he tanky. Orders are basically a must for the gaurd and command tanks only giving one base make them difficult to give out if lord solar had a 12" give orders range you might be able to cut the command squad but as it is that is nessasery for the master vox and then of course to get him in the same unit as the command squad you have to the a unit to be a caddy for both of them just awkward 245 with 10 mam infantry platoon or 305 with a 20 240/300 if you use catachans but catachans are nothing but boddies when used a a lord solar catty better off with an infantry squad and get the mortor to plink with 2 mortars if you going 10 man 3 if going the full 20. Do not get ne wrong the redeploy is still useful though not as good as a after first turn is decided redeploy and the extra cp is great but if you can find a way not to take him and still have the order coverage it is worth looking at
I’m torn between the Russ’ or just doing scions and Pysker in Primes. I think you have much more effective tools to deal with taking me holding secondaries but you lose a lot of anti armor.
There is nothing saying that you can't have a bodyguard, and advisors in the command squad as well. 20+5+1+3
@7:40 you can STACK take cover & cover saves?! so many lives I've thrown away by not implementing that into my game plan
How does it pass knight check?
All those catachan without friendly Ogryn bodyguards tho :(
I agree with you many times, but not this time tho... Lokks like a list wich can do nothing good at any situation tho😢
That said, it's just disagreement! Great videos in general!! Keep up the good work ❤
any idea what i can take instead of the Dorn Tank? I have everything the Guard has but no Rogal Dorn tank, any suggestions?
Nothing in the same ballpark of points can fill the same role. That being said I'd simply shift the units you use. Possibly take another krieg blob and another unit of 5 scions for scoring? Really depends on the options you have
sentinels would be good to counter the indirect fire penalty on the basilisks
2x demolishers and 2x sentinels
Take the kitchen sink to throw at the enemy...or table 😂
2 armoured sentinels (reroll wounds) 2 scout sentinels (reroll 1 to hit) good combo and cost the same as a dorn. so with take aim on ur armoured sentinels will hit on 3 (reroll 1) and re rolls to wound
How can 2 leaders be added to the catachans, I’m confused as the core rules state an attached unit can only have one leader (unless otherwise specified)
"This unit can have up to two Leader units attached to it, provided no more than one of those units is a Command Squad unit."
To be more precise it is otherwise specified on the data sheet
Mate, platoon command squad cant join cadians
Ahh you caught it 👌🏼
No gaunts ghost?
remote drone instead of your psyker deathball? What?
why basilisk when you can do manticore platforms that are 40 points cheaper apiece?
Basilisks reduce enemy movement which can cause death guard terminators to move 2" a turn
@@-BL1NKY alright well then why not earthshaker carriages and at least save a few points?
(also manticores are still a threat to elite infantry and you can almost have 3 of them instead of 2 for around the same relative price)
Aren’t Manticores more expensive now after the point rebalancing? App has them at 155 and Basilisks at 135 now.
@@yagabajing535 look at the manticore platforms. (the immobile ones) but yes the tracked versions are much more now.
@@derkrampus9986 you are looking at the standard manticore man. not the platform...its from the legends section.
Do you not feel that the Dorns damage output is just too low for it's cost?
never, think the dorn is the best gaurd tank atm. oppressor cannon is s12 ap-2 d 3 !
yeah I know what it does, and it consistently underperforms compared to regular russes or my shadowsword@@georgelonghurst2672
Dorns are just so tough. My Russes pop so easy and dead tanks have no damage output
Yeah, it definitely is tough, which is probably the only thing i would say it has going for it. I don't rate it it for that though I'm afraid, take two tech priests and a russ instead, give out 4+ ward saves to the russes and they're suddenly tougher than the dorn, with better sponson options, a HK missile and for 100 points less.
@@MordianGlory
@chrisporter8120 wouldn't be 100 points less though, as ur spending 45 points for the tech priest
Does anyone know the exact dimensions of the cyclops demolition vehicle?
smol
Yes
Mordian .... you can't have two leaders per squad .. .plz. ..
Is having all the kreig, catachans and cadians all the same looking models also to give u an advantage? Lol
Nah I just painted them all when the rules said that you need to have models all the same colour scheme and there was over arching regiment rules, not datasheets for each regiment
That’s fair enough, I just love me some catachan models and get sad when don’t see them as the squads that’s all lol
yeah, he does it gain an advantage then hides behind some BS.
The difference is that you can't use them to sticky your home objective I guess.
Tbh you don't wanna do this against most competent opponents anyways, because you NEED that blob (to keep orders coming). So keeping it on your backfield objective as safe as possible and using it to screeen deep strikers is the smart choice in most cases.
using exactly the same model, painted exactly the same way to represent different models with very different rules is BS. You know your taking advantage, you should at the very least have them painted in a way different enough to be able to tell from 3ft that they are not the same. I have no idea how you keep getting away with this at events.