In a video from 8 years ago, titled "How do you celebrate the end of the year in a kindergarten in Gaza," the Palestinian children who grew up to be adults by 2023 appear. Why does the world ignore this, why does the UN ignore it? These are the real Palestinians, so it's really worth facing reality.
The one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of children is not to bring them into this world of diseases, crimes, wars, accidents, natural disasters, old age, death, and all the unknown evils the future holds. ☮ At the same time, it's not a bad for them to not come into existence as those who don't exist can't suffer their own non-existence. Any of the "goods" this world has to offer, the non-existent don't need them to begin with. ✨
only a spiritually UNAWAKENED person would say such thing, because god chose that we exist, if non-existence was a better option, we wouldn't be here in the first place? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? you are GOD in the flesh, an existence out of nothing comes with a PRICE, the price is the duality of all things
24:04 not unexpected of him proposing ethnic cleansing of one side. 24:41 Every accusation is a confession. The fearmongering assumption that there could be "an aggressive state that 'want' to invade other states and persecute its own internal minorities" so we have a license to invade other states and persecute them. Even if we end up killing tens of thousands disproportionately for crimes they didnt even commit but assumed. In war tactics this is called "Offensive" rather than defensive approach. Even though the assumption is utterly false. No force in middle east is capable of doing so given israel's great defence and unconditional US military support. And Israel is capable of wiping out entire cities as so they have demonstrated. Let's try to be honest with ourselves rather than playing victim
Inserting philosopher in front David Benatar makes for a questionable presentation of the interview. He is not arguing as a philosopher! His argument @18:34 that there have been Israeli offers for a second state is provided as a basis for him blaming violence on the Palestinian side. This is a surprising argument when there is no consideration whether the "offers" complied with what Palestinians are owed under international law. Because if there is no consideration whether the offers meet that legal standard then the philosopher's argument sounds rather hollow. A good question would be whether the so called offers were based on standards of what Palestinians are owed under international law. The answer is no.
Garbage. Palestinians are owed a negotiated settlement under international law. Heretofore they've rejected every offer - without countering. Perpetual incitement to terrorism and glorification of martyrdom exposes the gluttonous PA's satisfaction with languishing in the corrupt 18th year of it's 4-year term. Never will they be allowed to militarise.
Well, for starters, to say that he is "blaming" violence on the Palestinian side is a stretch, given this wasn't a fully-fledged deep dive into the whole issue. I think he was saying that violence should be avoided when reasonable alternatives exist. Unfortunately I think he omitted the word "reasonable". What "Palestinians are owed under international law" would be answerable in a court of law, and the answer would be an output of laws, lawyers, judges, etc. If the verdict was unsatisfactory to one of the litigants, does that form a justification for violence, right off the bat? If legal structures inadequately reflect realities, as is often the case, so that perfect justice is elusive, does that mean violence is always a respectable and reasonable alternative? Whether he said it (well) or not, I think it's wise to encourage exhaustive attempts at agreement and compromise, before resorting to violence. Again, how that applies to the Isarel-Palestine problem is a complicated and messy affair, given the violence both sides have inflicted, and have had inflicted upon them. Other factors at play than just weighing the balance of violence, too, of course.
@@TheWanderingPensioner @TheWanderingPensioner I recall him saying he put most of the blame on the Palestinians. Next point, you and I may both agree that he is intellectually weak omitting the most obvious of qualifiers "reasonable" for these "offers". What Palestinians are owed under international law" has been clarified I July 2024 the ICJ gave its opinion that the occupation is illegal and that Israel ought to get out as soon as possible. You have to remember that Israel threatened the State of Palestine with violence if it went to the ICJ. So let's be clear when the State of Palestine attempts to seek legal clarification they are subject to threats of violence on top of everyday routine violence inflicted by what was clearly an illegal occupation and transfer of population, all war crimes, never mind illegal annexation So yeah if one side has a greater right to violence it would be the Palestinians. Instead this philosopher says he would dole out more of the blame to Palestinians after the expulsions of 80 percent of the population in 1948. The fact that they cannot return qualifies what Israel did as ethnic cleansing. If the Arab Palestinians had done that to the Jewish population, then that would have qualify as the same. But that is not what happened. Only an offer based on international law qualifies as a just offer. I do believe the Palestinians have tried non- violence before the creation of the State of Israel, gave reasonable alternatives such as the creation of a single democratic and secular state. It was not right to give the majority of the land to a minority of the population. Since then they and the Arabs have offered Land for Peace over 20 years ago. Israel flatly rejected it. So now for over a decade Israel has said no negotiations, no court cases, no BDS no nothing, and we will continue to illegally settle the areas that could become the second state (after all it is all the Land Of Israel), and YOU THINK THERE ARE REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES? Infuriating to say the least.
the arabs started slaughtering jews en masse as far back as the 1880s. Long before talks of any states at all And every time the arabs have been the ones to start the violence. That is just a fact. Pretending otherwise is just gaslighting
Great conversation Zoe. I have to admit I was never much of a fan of David - mainly because of his arguments around anti natalism - but I found his perspectives here really worthwhile and (shock horror) I am going to look up his new book.
"when we say Israel, we mean a group of race-loyal people calling themselves "God's chosen people", who created an ethno-state where the constitutional identity is based on racial grounds, to serve one ethnic group. And who created a law that assures that the right to exercise national self-determination is unique to only them." That was a clear
Hey folks , in India Brahmins , upper caste people , state that are upper caste , there are four classes , the race theory of India has been criticized , to deprive other people from their rights, I mean Brahmin gets born through natural vaginal delivery , not oral birth , everyone gets conceived by sexual penetration , wombs work same way, limbs are same, all human beings have hearts on the left side of body, this concept of special race , is monkey business , anyone special , should poop maple syrup , sorry this is getting graphic , then everyone born .. has a death too , yes material control does not place you higher in the court of the creator , if one has done , bad deeds , hatred , bigotry , pogrom , greed , sexeual desires , then karma is the true symbol , it does not matter , if you lived in poverty or wealth , the deeds are true symbol in the spiritual realm , we pollute , we are on the same planet , going around the Sun , some folks , through attained cleverness , have greater material control but no one can state what happened to them , in the after life , my take on it, Medical science states ,70% human body is H2O , water , rest is soil , universe , air , my heart could be transplanted to someone else , I do not buy special race theory , be merciful, embrace mankind, animal , plant kingdom , as part of the creation , we breathe from the same air, we drink same water , yes if someone has defeated gravitational pull , to enter a realm of soul , and can perceive the past, future , and be with the light , eternal creator , while alive, can see without eyes, that is a special case , enjoy your day .
It's not that complicated. It's pure envy. Jews do well. Jews have a higher intelligence bell curve than any other group, something that this oke is not prepared to say and Jews rise to the top and people get jealous and they hate Jews. Add Jewish cohesion and often slightly distanced from the society they are living in I mean they participate in the society but also do these rituals in a strange language which scares the non-Jews, and Jews until recently have stuck with other Jews socially. So do other groups but other groups are not that powerful in society. Why are Jews so powerful in society if they are allowed to be? Because of their high intelligence and strong family values emphasising reading books.
I’ve been told that everyone is equally intelligent, and all groups and cultures are equally good and interchangeable. In fact, it is illegal to say otherwise in many places.
@@glaubs65 There are also cases where Jews were poor. For example in the Russian Pale if Settlement in the 19th century yet they still faced antisemitism.
@@glaubs65 haha you believe in the possibility of the inherrent intellectual and cultural superiority of certian races and culture? Curious, please be forthcoming.
Good talk, I tend to agree with most of what he said, even though I almost completely disagree with his anti-natalist ideology, mostly because he's just completely wrong I his stance tgat our current human.population is over taxing the planetary ecosystem. I would be very interested on his views on the (relatively) new economic theory of Super Abundance which theorizes that the huge rise in the abundance of virtually everything is a casual consequence of the RISE in human population rather than the reverse that he argues.
How can he be wrong that humans are overtaxing the environment? What metrics are you using? Ofc the current abundance is cause by population increase, more slaves to work for people who have money, which is also another reason why it is immoral to procreate.
@@OrmondOtvos Not sure I agree that social intellegence dosen't scale. If social intellegence is developed mostly through interactions with other people then it's a logical step to think that the greater the number and variety of people one interacts with, the more developed one's social intellegence will become. Also, invention, the first step in innovation, is mostly driven by individuals or small groups of individuals who are noted for generally low social intellegence many even be neurodivergent and tends to happen in isolation. Innovation begins to draw in more people, entrepreneurs in particular who are often so driven that they are also low in social intellegence and high in disagreeableness. Super Abundance depends primarily upon innovation to bring new products and methods into being and depends upon there being those inventors and innovators. Since inventors and innovators occur in low proportions in the population, it's logical that more people, the more inventors and innovators, the greater the likehood that the abundance of goods and services will continue to grow at a rate faster than the population.
You are clueless, pretty sad...let me interview you just prior to death after 20 years of terminal disease, and see if you change your mind....you have no argument, you have never experienced death..so....?
The only Jews in Gaza are hostages and soldiers there to rescue them. Gazans enjoyed a Jew-free existence for 17+ years. Why did the Gazans still insist on terror even though they achieved a Jew-free existence?
Benatar did mention the vision of Israel’s Jewish right wing having a vision of the Holy Land that would make Palestine impossible. That would appear to be a meaningful reference to the settlements if not by name.
@@floriansteinberger3717 Whatever tribe you belong to or identify with, Jew, Christian, LGBT whatever...you are a human first and that tribal identity second. If your jewish identity comes first and your identity as a human being second than there is nothing to discuss. Everything you are going to say on the subject of "morality" or "the good" or "justice" will only ever pertain to your tribal identity and therefore cannot be taken seriously by anyone else. It takes about 30 seconds to figure out where someone is coming from and whether or not they have anything of value to say. These two don't.
this document is competely irrelevant to what i have said. comparing hamas with the NSDAP and the gazans to the population of the third reich is like comparing strawberries with pineples. the nazis waged war against multiple countries and murdered millions within a few years and used state of the art technology, which is why we use phrases such as industrialized mass murder when we speak about the holocoust which lasted for years. how is any of that comparable to the hammases actions on 10/07 or their military capabilities? the only thing comparable to a nazi concentration camp today in the region israel/palestine/lebanon are the military prisons the IDF uses to lock away and torture palestinians who organise against the illegal occupation, indiscriminately wether they do so peacefully or violently btw.
If you think of Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis and the Iranian theocrats as the worst distillation of Muslim bigotry, they are also the most militant proponents of a radical Islamic Caliphate. A Muslim Reich, if you will. Just as the Nazis had a malignant dream of a greater political and ideological realm where they would rule and subjugate others, so do the Jihadists desire their malignant Caliphate. And just as the majority of Germans were not Nazis, the majority of Muslims are not Jihadists. And yet, as the Nazis rose to power on the backs of Germans, so do Jihadists enjoy the "support" of the greater Muslim world. Neither the Nazis, nor radical Islamists, can take power without some support from the greater populations from which they come.
It is extremely unfortunate that antisemitism is again on the rise. Maybe one reason is because of what has happened recently in the Middle East. Some people (NOT ALL) out of passion and justifiable outrage have descended into humiliating, personal attacks on what they see as their nearby Zionist foes. In this issue, politics and a form of religio-ethnicity have become inseparable to some. I have a dear neighbor just next door who is Jewish and a Zionist. He has tried to engage me over the Middle East but in no way do I wish to disrupt our friendship over something so vexatious.
@@brianonuanain7535 you're being disingenuous. Listening to a discombobulated voice, on UA-cam, in 2024, is off-putting and, yes, it does undermine this person's credibility. You can play your little "whataboutism" game but you're not acknowledging that social media is a forum that replaces actual human contact, nonetheless there is an expectation of transparency. Is this an actual person, with the credentials that they (and Quillette) claim they have? Or, are they simply a mouthpiece for some committee or organization? How do we know they are not just a bot? I teach online, the school where I teach has a strict "camera on" policy to ensure that the students are actually accountable not only during tests but also whenever a student-teacher interaction is occurring.
David Benatar, one of my favorites! Love his work on Anti-Natalism
He's miserable, i believe he hates his own existence.
In a video from 8 years ago, titled "How do you celebrate the end of the year in a kindergarten in Gaza," the Palestinian children who grew up to be adults by 2023 appear.
Why does the world ignore this, why does the UN ignore it? These are the real Palestinians, so it's really worth facing reality.
Palestine has the right to defend themselves.
@@Burrburrcloud Are you in favor of children holding weapons at age 5 and learning to harm others?
@@Useryr-m8q Palestinian babies have the right to defend themselves from Genocidal Fascists!
@@Burrburrcloud From what?
@@BurrburrcloudBy raping teenagers and kidnapping infants?
The one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of children is not to bring them into this world of diseases, crimes, wars, accidents, natural disasters, old age, death, and all the unknown evils the future holds. ☮
At the same time, it's not a bad for them to not come into existence as those who don't exist can't suffer their own non-existence. Any of the "goods" this world has to offer, the non-existent don't need them to begin with. ✨
Is that a quote from Prof Benatar?
Pontificating blatherings from someone who is not going to have children because their TV or professor told them to
only a spiritually UNAWAKENED person would say such thing, because god chose that we exist, if non-existence was a better option, we wouldn't be here in the first place? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? you are GOD in the flesh, an existence out of nothing comes with a PRICE, the price is the duality of all things
Previous non-existence did not prevent any of us from coming into existence at some point so no.
Thank you
Great point abiut the lack of a universal ethic. Some ethics are better than others.
24:04 not unexpected of him proposing ethnic cleansing of one side.
24:41 Every accusation is a confession.
The fearmongering assumption that there could be "an aggressive state that 'want' to invade other states and persecute its own internal minorities"
so we have a license to invade other states and persecute them. Even if we end up killing tens of thousands disproportionately for crimes they didnt even commit but assumed.
In war tactics this is called "Offensive" rather than defensive approach.
Even though the assumption is utterly false. No force in middle east is capable of doing so given israel's great defence and unconditional US military support. And Israel is capable of wiping out entire cities as so they have demonstrated.
Let's try to be honest with ourselves rather than playing victim
Good talk, thank you
Inserting philosopher in front David Benatar makes for a questionable presentation of the interview. He is not arguing as a philosopher! His argument @18:34 that there have been Israeli offers for a second state is provided as a basis for him blaming violence on the Palestinian side. This is a surprising argument when there is no consideration whether the "offers" complied with what Palestinians are owed under international law. Because if there is no consideration whether the offers meet that legal standard then the philosopher's argument sounds rather hollow. A good question would be whether the so called offers were based on standards of what Palestinians are owed under international law. The answer is no.
Garbage. Palestinians are owed a negotiated settlement under international law. Heretofore they've rejected every offer - without countering. Perpetual incitement to terrorism and glorification of martyrdom exposes the gluttonous PA's satisfaction with languishing in the corrupt 18th year of it's 4-year term.
Never will they be allowed to militarise.
Well, for starters, to say that he is "blaming" violence on the Palestinian side is a stretch, given this wasn't a fully-fledged deep dive into the whole issue. I think he was saying that violence should be avoided when reasonable alternatives exist. Unfortunately I think he omitted the word "reasonable". What "Palestinians are owed under international law" would be answerable in a court of law, and the answer would be an output of laws, lawyers, judges, etc. If the verdict was unsatisfactory to one of the litigants, does that form a justification for violence, right off the bat? If legal structures inadequately reflect realities, as is often the case, so that perfect justice is elusive, does that mean violence is always a respectable and reasonable alternative? Whether he said it (well) or not, I think it's wise to encourage exhaustive attempts at agreement and compromise, before resorting to violence. Again, how that applies to the Isarel-Palestine problem is a complicated and messy affair, given the violence both sides have inflicted, and have had inflicted upon them. Other factors at play than just weighing the balance of violence, too, of course.
@@TheWanderingPensioner
@TheWanderingPensioner I recall him saying he put most of the blame on the Palestinians. Next point, you and I may both agree that he is intellectually weak omitting the most obvious of qualifiers "reasonable" for these "offers". What Palestinians are owed under international law" has been clarified I July 2024 the ICJ gave its opinion that the occupation is illegal and that Israel ought to get out as soon as possible. You have to remember that Israel threatened the State of Palestine with violence if it went to the ICJ. So let's be clear when the State of Palestine attempts to seek legal clarification they are subject to threats of violence on top of everyday routine violence inflicted by what was clearly an illegal occupation and transfer of population, all war crimes, never mind illegal annexation So yeah if one side has a greater right to violence it would be the Palestinians. Instead this philosopher says he would dole out more of the blame to Palestinians after the expulsions of 80 percent of the population in 1948. The fact that they cannot return qualifies what Israel did as ethnic cleansing. If the Arab Palestinians had done that to the Jewish population, then that would have qualify as the same. But that is not what happened. Only an offer based on international law qualifies as a just offer. I do believe the Palestinians have tried non- violence before the creation of the State of Israel, gave reasonable alternatives such as the creation of a single democratic and secular state. It was not right to give the majority of the land to a minority of the population. Since then they and the Arabs have offered Land for Peace over 20 years ago. Israel flatly rejected it. So now for over a decade Israel has said no negotiations, no court cases, no BDS no nothing, and we will continue to illegally settle the areas that could become the second state (after all it is all the Land Of Israel), and YOU THINK THERE ARE REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES? Infuriating to say the least.
the arabs started slaughtering jews en masse as far back as the 1880s. Long before talks of any states at all
And every time the arabs have been the ones to start the violence. That is just a fact. Pretending otherwise is just gaslighting
@@CaptainTodger69dude no one cares, your rejected everywhere and that isnt going to change. Deal with it
Great conversation Zoe. I have to admit I was never much of a fan of David - mainly because of his arguments around anti natalism - but I found his perspectives here really worthwhile and (shock horror) I am going to look up his new book.
Genius and prolific philosophers of our time
Such a book is proof that logic by itself is useful for useless and harmful conclusions
Brief, sensible assessment like this is awfully rare. Thanks!
David Benatar is surely one of the smartest people alive. He should get much wider recognition.
@@funckmasta dumbest and ill informed people alive going by my listen to this.
wow this is very amazing antonatalisme!
"when we
say Israel, we mean a group of
race-loyal people
calling themselves "God's chosen
people", who created an ethno-state
where the
constitutional identity is based on
racial grounds, to serve one ethnic
group. And who created a law that
assures
that the right to exercise national
self-determination is unique to only
them."
That was a clear
Hey folks , in India
Brahmins , upper caste people , state that are upper caste , there are four classes , the race theory of India has been criticized , to deprive other people from their rights, I mean Brahmin gets born through natural vaginal delivery , not oral birth , everyone gets conceived by sexual penetration , wombs work same way, limbs are same, all human beings have hearts on the left side of body, this concept of special race , is monkey business , anyone special , should poop maple syrup , sorry this is getting graphic , then everyone born .. has a death too , yes material control does not place you higher in the court of the creator , if one has done , bad deeds , hatred , bigotry , pogrom , greed , sexeual desires , then karma is the true symbol , it does not matter , if you lived in poverty or wealth , the deeds are true symbol in the spiritual realm , we pollute , we are on the same planet , going around the Sun , some folks , through attained cleverness , have greater material control but no one can state what happened to them , in the after life , my take on it,
Medical science states ,70% human body is H2O , water , rest is soil , universe , air , my heart could be transplanted to someone else , I do not buy special race theory , be merciful, embrace mankind, animal , plant kingdom , as part of the creation , we breathe from the same air, we drink same water , yes if someone has defeated gravitational pull , to enter a realm of soul , and can perceive the past, future , and be with the light , eternal creator , while alive, can see without eyes, that is a special case , enjoy your day .
To summarise this ante or is it anti natalism nonsense. Life is suffering - Buddha. Therefore to avoid suffering is to avoid life.
Sounds way more chipper now that he's not at University of Cape Town anymore!
Where is he now?
It's not that complicated. It's pure envy. Jews do well. Jews have a higher intelligence bell curve than any other group, something that this oke is not prepared to say and Jews rise to the top and people get jealous and they hate Jews. Add Jewish cohesion and often slightly distanced from the society they are living in I mean they participate in the society but also do these rituals in a strange language which scares the non-Jews, and Jews until recently have stuck with other Jews socially. So do other groups but other groups are not that powerful in society. Why are Jews so powerful in society if they are allowed to be? Because of their high intelligence and strong family values emphasising reading books.
I’ve been told that everyone is equally intelligent, and all groups and cultures are equally good and interchangeable. In fact, it is illegal to say otherwise in many places.
@masonhancock5350 yeah right ;)
@@glaubs65
There are also cases where Jews were poor. For example in the Russian Pale if Settlement in the 19th century yet they still faced antisemitism.
@victormeidan1062 Yes there's also the Jews killed Jesus and do weird magic in basements in a strange language and eat funny food prejudice
@@glaubs65 haha you believe in the possibility of the inherrent intellectual and cultural superiority of certian races and culture? Curious, please be forthcoming.
David shows me nothing in terms of understanding liberal democracy.
Do you understand yourself? Are you even human or synthetic..?how would you Know?
Good talk, I tend to agree with most of what he said, even though I almost completely disagree with his anti-natalist ideology, mostly because he's just completely wrong I his stance tgat our current human.population is over taxing the planetary ecosystem. I would be very interested on his views on the (relatively) new economic theory of Super Abundance which theorizes that the huge rise in the abundance of virtually everything is a casual consequence of the RISE in human population rather than the reverse that he argues.
How can he be wrong that humans are overtaxing the environment? What metrics are you using?
Ofc the current abundance is cause by population increase, more slaves to work for people who have money, which is also another reason why it is immoral to procreate.
Superabundance theory depends on human social intelligence, which doesn't scale.
@@OrmondOtvos Not sure I agree that social intellegence dosen't scale. If social intellegence is developed mostly through interactions with other people then it's a logical step to think that the greater the number and variety of people one interacts with, the more developed one's social intellegence will become. Also, invention, the first step in innovation, is mostly driven by individuals or small groups of individuals who are noted for generally low social intellegence many even be neurodivergent and tends to happen in isolation. Innovation begins to draw in more people, entrepreneurs in particular who are often so driven that they are also low in social intellegence and high in disagreeableness. Super Abundance depends primarily upon innovation to bring new products and methods into being and depends upon there being those inventors and innovators. Since inventors and innovators occur in low proportions in the population, it's logical that more people, the more inventors and innovators, the greater the likehood that the abundance of goods and services will continue to grow at a rate faster than the population.
You are clueless, pretty sad...let me interview you just prior to death after 20 years of terminal disease, and see if you change your mind....you have no argument, you have never experienced death..so....?
So you have a whole conversation 40 minute conversation about Israel and Palestine and you dont mention the settlements in the westbank once?
There were no settlements in the West Bank before the war of June 1967. There was terrorism back then too !
Whoops.
The only Jews in Gaza are hostages and soldiers there to rescue them. Gazans enjoyed a Jew-free existence for 17+ years. Why did the Gazans still insist on terror even though they achieved a Jew-free existence?
@@victormeidan1062 exactly - the settlements argument is a red herring.
Benatar did mention the vision of Israel’s Jewish right wing having a vision of the Holy Land that would make Palestine impossible. That would appear to be a meaningful reference to the settlements if not by name.
😂😂😂 jewish land cry about it terrorist
I can’t believe people take this seriously.
What specifically?
@@otamaanna4729 Well, for starters, "Professor of Philosophy...also directed the university’s Bioethics Centre" is a giant red flag.
@@shyman3000 And why would that be?
@@floriansteinberger3717 Whatever tribe you belong to or identify with, Jew, Christian, LGBT whatever...you are a human first and that tribal identity second. If your jewish identity comes first and your identity as a human being second than there is nothing to discuss. Everything you are going to say on the subject of "morality" or "the good" or "justice" will only ever pertain to your tribal identity and therefore cannot be taken seriously by anyone else. It takes about 30 seconds to figure out where someone is coming from and whether or not they have anything of value to say. These two don't.
I am glad that he called out the victim Olympics with the juice.
Bigots stew in their own juice: try the other orifice..
"The polar opposite of me the Narc" haha
His answer about Islam/religion was very much one of a man trying to sell a book. But that's easily forgivable given the rest of the interview.
comparing hamas and the gazans to the NSDAP and the 3. Reich is completelly absurd though....🤷♀
Did you read the Hamas manifest document?
The Third Reich has been for long time their model. Ask Gazans, they will tell you.
In some kind it works in the other direction as well. Hitler said that “with Islam, the Germanic face would already have conquered the world”.
this document is competely irrelevant to what i have said. comparing hamas with the NSDAP and the gazans to the population of the third reich is like comparing strawberries with pineples. the nazis waged war against multiple countries and murdered millions within a few years and used state of the art technology, which is why we use phrases such as industrialized mass murder when we speak about the holocoust which lasted for years. how is any of that comparable to the hammases actions on 10/07 or their military capabilities? the only thing comparable to a nazi concentration camp today in the region israel/palestine/lebanon are the military prisons the IDF uses to lock away and torture palestinians who organise against the illegal occupation, indiscriminately wether they do so peacefully or violently btw.
If you think of Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis and the Iranian theocrats as the worst distillation of Muslim bigotry, they are also the most militant proponents of a radical Islamic Caliphate. A Muslim Reich, if you will.
Just as the Nazis had a malignant dream of a greater political and ideological realm where they would rule and subjugate others, so do the Jihadists desire their malignant Caliphate.
And just as the majority of Germans were not Nazis, the majority of Muslims are not Jihadists. And yet, as the Nazis rose to power on the backs of Germans, so do Jihadists enjoy the "support" of the greater Muslim world.
Neither the Nazis, nor radical Islamists, can take power without some support from the greater populations from which they come.
It is extremely unfortunate that antisemitism is again on the rise. Maybe one reason is because of what has happened recently in the Middle East. Some people (NOT ALL) out of passion and justifiable outrage have descended into humiliating, personal attacks on what they see as their nearby Zionist foes. In this issue, politics and a form of religio-ethnicity have become inseparable to some.
I have a dear neighbor just next door who is Jewish and a Zionist. He has tried to engage me over the Middle East but in no way do I wish to disrupt our friendship over something so vexatious.
In 2024, how can you trust someone who doesn't show their face?
Just curious, but how would seeing his face alter the quality of his reasoning?
@@brianonuanain7535 you're being disingenuous. Listening to a discombobulated voice, on UA-cam, in 2024, is off-putting and, yes, it does undermine this person's credibility. You can play your little "whataboutism" game but you're not acknowledging that social media is a forum that replaces actual human contact, nonetheless there is an expectation of transparency. Is this an actual person, with the credentials that they (and Quillette) claim they have? Or, are they simply a mouthpiece for some committee or organization? How do we know they are not just a bot?
I teach online, the school where I teach has a strict "camera on" policy to ensure that the students are actually accountable not only during tests but also whenever a student-teacher interaction is occurring.
That’s your problem and Not necessarily anyone else’s
What difference does it make? Listen to what he says.
If his reasoning is solid, Why not?
"The Complexity of Anti-Semitism" is answered by Harari and Maher in the first 1and a half minutes of this. ua-cam.com/video/wDrB11rqcVc/v-deo.html