FFP keeps the big clubs big and stops unfashionable clubs with rich owners competing. That said, owners can't be allowed to be reckless with the future of clubs either. A different solution is definitely needed.
Asking industries to regulate themselves has a long history of failure which goes far beyond football. An independent regulator is needed and I do think this should be led by govt sadly. Rules and enforceable consequences for breaking them are critical to setting a level playing field and I just cannot see how English football is able to do that without being made to. No doubt a new regulator will have teething issues but a clean break has got to be better than hobbling along with the current status quo surely??
Yeah, I would say we've had the largest penalty for FFP. Wasn't a points deduction but effectively made us stay in the bottom third of the championship since being relegated from the prem. Still paying that loan off.
FFP is just formed wrong. No regulation, is a major issue. But the rules as it stands basically hurt the smaller clubs far more than the big clubs that are most likely to exploit it
Tue idea of it is good, it's stops clubs spending loads of money they don't have to try and reach the prem in the championship or prem clubs outside the the big 6 getting into Europe but like you say cause of the pulling and money power the bigger clubs already they have i would say an unfair advantage
@@mocko9912 the money in the Premier League means it actually harms the big clubs. It's related to TV money and transfer dealings, not ticket sales and merchandise. Clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth have fewer overheads and don't have the pressure from fans and media, but they get the TV money and can sell players for big fees. Big clubs in the top 6 are fine, but it's harder for ones that are struggling or in the Championship.
Last season Sheffield United had a transfer embargo whilst in the premiership and a points deduction waiting for them in the Championship for the same offence, how does that work?
it was for missing an installment deadline for Brewster, caused by other teams not paying Sheffield United on time for other players. this happened during the promotion season under Hecky. United asked for a points deduction instead of a transfer embargo knowing how many players were out of contract this summer.
There will most certainly be a major change to FFP. I can't offer any solution, because the big 6 will always have an advantage. With the NFL, they have a hard salary cap, but the good teams are still signing their important players to ridiculous contracts.
FFP is set up to maintain the inequality both within the premier league, and between the premier league and the football league. Those in charge have had far too long an opportunity to fix it, to be able to claim otherwise. If it were about keeping clubs from going bust, the spending cap would be the same for all clubs regardless of revenue, and equal to amount easily sustainable for the clubs with the smallest revenue for each division. Top players could still earn large amounts of money. It just wouldn't all come through the contracts with their clubs, but instead paid directly by the broadcasters, sponsors and league treasury, based on awards, stats, fan polls, tv audience polls, internet votes, club nominations, etc. Get this right and parachute payments needn't be a thing either, but they too could be reformed such that they are optional, and can be accepted partially or in full at the discretion of each relegated club, who will pay one point for every £10million received as a parachute payment.
I get the principle. The major concern for me as a fan of a lower league team is that the rules are reducing the amount of activity in the transfer window (bar dodgy academy transfers). Clubs lower down the pyramid are reliant on daft clubs like Everton blowing £20m on average championship players.
FFP has to change because it's unsustainable. Inflation moves year on year, and only ever upwards these days. That means costs are only rising too. That means the spending limits involved are quickly too little for any club to subsist on and we'll see more clubs in breech, no matter what they do to offset. The spending cap has to move with inflation and rising costs, or we'll reach a point where every league club is at some point in the disciplinary process at all times. Frankly, it's a ridiculous way of doing things.
Promotion and relegation really complicate things and make many of the US controls (salary caps, draft, closed league) less attractive. I dont know if anyone has a good solution for PL.
Why not just have a maximum spending cap in each league. Set at a level that doesn't make it impossible for clubs outside of the top 6-8 in the Prem to compete. The shareholders/owners etc. would still be happy, as they could have any excess money as dividends or returns on their investment.
no, the current structure it doesn't work. If you want to limit the amount of money being spent, you have to put in a salary cap. This has been done in North America with the NBA and NHL. It seems to work fairly well in regards to competitiveness. The teams really rely on their own reputation to bring in the big players if that's what they want to do.
In America, we have a salary cap in the NFL and NHL, American football with a cap of approximately 255 million dollars and 88 million for hockey. I would think that it would be less complicated if the Prem and EFL did the same. Especially with what owners are willing to spend these days, you could introduce a transfer cap and a separate salary cap. It may complicate matters, but FFP seems to have numerous loopholes.
Why not bring in a salary cap for your squad? That's where most of the overspent money is going. Unproductive employees are being paid ridiculous sums. Though, modern TV fanboys will say you're just jealous for suggesting such a thing.
There’s different rules in the EFL between the Championship and League 1 & 2. Look how much Birmingham have been able to spend because the owners can put in cash that can count towards income. Why can’t Championship clubs do that?
In my opinion, they should change FFP to prospective and not retrospective. Instead of looking back over 1 or 3 year periods and letting clubs have a set expenditure, the clubs should have to announce a maximum they will spend in the coming year that is approved by the League based on what can be guaranteed with actual assets or cash to prevent clubs spending money where there is none. This prevents clubs overspending and brings in sanity and returns the game to a free market model which gives newly promoted teams a chance if they have cash to spend. If a club can spend £1m, £10m or £500m it is dependent on the depth of the pockets of the owners and/or profits. Not fair across clubs, but it is what it is. The reality is though, most clubs are not going to benchmark their spending against Manchester City or Barcelona, but more the Crystal Palace and Brentford-type clubs, so the fear of some clubs being able to spend billions probably isn't an issue for teams other than the top-4. -BK
Independent regulators by govt appt - following Man C £500m fine. They will take the fine. . .financially painful for owners, without really penalising fans is the best compromise. The money could be put to many good uses out the hands of the offending club.
if it wasn't for being able to spend less because of being in the EFL for 2 out of 3 years Forest wouldn't have breached ffp being allowed to lose 68m when just about everyone else can lose 105m isn't right in my opinion
AS UEFA have PSR as a requirement of playing in their competitions then PSR in England has to exist unless English clubs no longer want to compete in Europe it's as simple as that.
Problem is Uefa needs the English teams. Who wants to watch Madrid win every tournament without competition the Italian clubs are usless and Germans boring
@@JakeGreen86 Problem is that many on the continent don't think the same way. Just because the English play football one way doesn't mean the rest of Europe wants to see the same thing particularly after we keep taking their best players.
Any club would have done what Leicester city did if they were in the same situation. So don't blame Leicester blame the Premier league for being stupid about the rules
I think the rules need changing, scrap the current rules, change it to spend as much as you want with a certain cap for the whole league, (£200m let’s say) and if you go over you get deducted points, fair for the whole league
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FFP keeps the big clubs big and stops unfashionable clubs with rich owners competing. That said, owners can't be allowed to be reckless with the future of clubs either. A different solution is definitely needed.
Asking industries to regulate themselves has a long history of failure which goes far beyond football. An independent regulator is needed and I do think this should be led by govt sadly. Rules and enforceable consequences for breaking them are critical to setting a level playing field and I just cannot see how English football is able to do that without being made to. No doubt a new regulator will have teething issues but a clean break has got to be better than hobbling along with the current status quo surely??
Thanks for the update
QPR still struggling with that 42 million fine.
Yeah, I would say we've had the largest penalty for FFP. Wasn't a points deduction but effectively made us stay in the bottom third of the championship since being relegated from the prem. Still paying that loan off.
Two tier ffp
FFP is just formed wrong. No regulation, is a major issue. But the rules as it stands basically hurt the smaller clubs far more than the big clubs that are most likely to exploit it
It's the same as when HMRC started going after football clubs, they just ended up putting small clubs out of business.
Tue idea of it is good, it's stops clubs spending loads of money they don't have to try and reach the prem in the championship or prem clubs outside the the big 6 getting into Europe but like you say cause of the pulling and money power the bigger clubs already they have i would say an unfair advantage
@@mocko9912 the money in the Premier League means it actually harms the big clubs. It's related to TV money and transfer dealings, not ticket sales and merchandise. Clubs like Brentford and Bournemouth have fewer overheads and don't have the pressure from fans and media, but they get the TV money and can sell players for big fees. Big clubs in the top 6 are fine, but it's harder for ones that are struggling or in the Championship.
I see BB as a football sage and aficionado, much like myself. Always an intelligent watch.
-BK
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It needs to be universal across all English football leagues
Last season Sheffield United had a transfer embargo whilst in the premiership and a points deduction waiting for them in the Championship for the same offence, how does that work?
it was for missing an installment deadline for Brewster, caused by other teams not paying Sheffield United on time for other players. this happened during the promotion season under Hecky. United asked for a points deduction instead of a transfer embargo knowing how many players were out of contract this summer.
There will most certainly be a major change to FFP. I can't offer any solution, because the big 6 will always have an advantage. With the NFL, they have a hard salary cap, but the good teams are still signing their important players to ridiculous contracts.
FFP is set up to maintain the inequality both within the premier league, and between the premier league and the football league. Those in charge have had far too long an opportunity to fix it, to be able to claim otherwise. If it were about keeping clubs from going bust, the spending cap would be the same for all clubs regardless of revenue, and equal to amount easily sustainable for the clubs with the smallest revenue for each division. Top players could still earn large amounts of money. It just wouldn't all come through the contracts with their clubs, but instead paid directly by the broadcasters, sponsors and league treasury, based on awards, stats, fan polls, tv audience polls, internet votes, club nominations, etc.
Get this right and parachute payments needn't be a thing either, but they too could be reformed such that they are optional, and can be accepted partially or in full at the discretion of each relegated club, who will pay one point for every £10million received as a parachute payment.
I get the principle. The major concern for me as a fan of a lower league team is that the rules are reducing the amount of activity in the transfer window (bar dodgy academy transfers). Clubs lower down the pyramid are reliant on daft clubs like Everton blowing £20m on average championship players.
FFP has to change because it's unsustainable. Inflation moves year on year, and only ever upwards these days. That means costs are only rising too. That means the spending limits involved are quickly too little for any club to subsist on and we'll see more clubs in breech, no matter what they do to offset. The spending cap has to move with inflation and rising costs, or we'll reach a point where every league club is at some point in the disciplinary process at all times. Frankly, it's a ridiculous way of doing things.
i thought QPR were the first when we were fined £40m
Promotion and relegation really complicate things and make many of the US controls (salary caps, draft, closed league) less attractive. I dont know if anyone has a good solution for PL.
Why not just have a maximum spending cap in each league. Set at a level that doesn't make it impossible for clubs outside of the top 6-8 in the Prem to compete. The shareholders/owners etc. would still be happy, as they could have any excess money as dividends or returns on their investment.
no, the current structure it doesn't work. If you want to limit the amount of money being spent, you have to put in a salary cap. This has been done in North America with the NBA and NHL. It seems to work fairly well in regards to competitiveness. The teams really rely on their own reputation to bring in the big players if that's what they want to do.
In America, we have a salary cap in the NFL and NHL, American football with a cap of approximately 255 million dollars and 88 million for hockey. I would think that it would be less complicated if the Prem and EFL did the same. Especially with what owners are willing to spend these days, you could introduce a transfer cap and a separate salary cap. It may complicate matters, but FFP seems to have numerous loopholes.
It would have to be a European wide rule, thus complicating things lol
Why not bring in a salary cap for your squad? That's where most of the overspent money is going. Unproductive employees are being paid ridiculous sums. Though, modern TV fanboys will say you're just jealous for suggesting such a thing.
There’s different rules in the EFL between the Championship and League 1 & 2. Look how much Birmingham have been able to spend because the owners can put in cash that can count towards income. Why can’t Championship clubs do that?
I don't think that's a very good model either.
In my opinion, they should change FFP to prospective and not retrospective. Instead of looking back over 1 or 3 year periods and letting clubs have a set expenditure, the clubs should have to announce a maximum they will spend in the coming year that is approved by the League based on what can be guaranteed with actual assets or cash to prevent clubs spending money where there is none. This prevents clubs overspending and brings in sanity and returns the game to a free market model which gives newly promoted teams a chance if they have cash to spend. If a club can spend £1m, £10m or £500m it is dependent on the depth of the pockets of the owners and/or profits. Not fair across clubs, but it is what it is. The reality is though, most clubs are not going to benchmark their spending against Manchester City or Barcelona, but more the Crystal Palace and Brentford-type clubs, so the fear of some clubs being able to spend billions probably isn't an issue for teams other than the top-4.
-BK
Yes it is then end but it will be rehashed into a 2.0 version
Its a two way street. If the big boys get away with murder then why should the smaller clubs accept punishments for miniscule breaches.
That applies not just in football!
What happened to the administration rule? Has the FFP come in instead??? TO protect clubs going bust.
Independent regulators by govt appt - following Man C £500m fine. They will take the fine. . .financially painful for owners, without really penalising fans is the best compromise. The money could be put to many good uses out the hands of the offending club.
if it wasn't for being able to spend less because of being in the EFL for 2 out of 3 years Forest wouldn't have breached ffp being allowed to lose 68m when just about everyone else can lose 105m isn't right in my opinion
Scrap FFP and scrap parachute payments.
FFP just helps prevent teams from competing
Can someone explain how a club can spend millions on a player in the lower league but not get penalized.
Nothing to say they can't if they can afford it.
AS UEFA have PSR as a requirement of playing in their competitions then PSR in England has to exist unless English clubs no longer want to compete in Europe it's as simple as that.
Problem is Uefa needs the English teams. Who wants to watch Madrid win every tournament without competition the Italian clubs are usless and Germans boring
@@JakeGreen86 Problem is that many on the continent don't think the same way. Just because the English play football one way doesn't mean the rest of Europe wants to see the same thing particularly after we keep taking their best players.
I love FFP. Stops fake big clubs spending more than they actually should when plenty of more sustainable clubs are able to overtake them.
Manchester United £260million over 3 years yet the premier league say they're within ffp 😂😂
Maybe man City wasn't really in the Prem all that time.
Any club would have done what Leicester city did if they were in the same situation. So don't blame Leicester blame the Premier league for being stupid about the rules
I think the rules need changing, scrap the current rules, change it to spend as much as you want with a certain cap for the whole league, (£200m let’s say) and if you go over you get deducted points, fair for the whole league
QPR AFTER THEY GOT RELEGATED FROM THE PREMIER LEAGUE!!??
Ben the Angus kinnear interview if your in the prem your fked the top 6/you cannot get top 6 due to the there crap prem we own the league basically
No way city will get a points deduction, they’ll just say Thankyou and go and join a European super league and take the other big five with them.
I think you're right; the PL doesn't have the bottle to deduct points from Man City.
Good! They wanted to do it anyway a few years ago so it’s not like they have any moral qualms about leaving the English game
QPR should get their money back for FFP
No they cheated. In fact, I'd deduct 100 points from them and give them another £100m fine just for that suggestion.
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