it is interesting that the Pictures of the great British Minds at the time of WW2. 'All 'were traditional British Men, 'Tommies'. Now in only Eighty years, replaced with foreign corporatized 'Milgram selected',now mostly Third World Personnel. See the West in reality lost !
Tragic but not unsurprising. We Brits have a long history of double dealing and deceit. Taking advantage followed by betrayal. In addition we love to make our lives harder than they need to be,hence Brexit 😢
Read somewhere that there was a German installation that would send out an all clear message every day. Since they knew what the message would be it was possible to determine the wheel and plug settings. General order was to avoid attacking the facility so the correct settings could be deduced You forgot...away all boarding parties and U505.
The Polish mathematicians had got their hands on an Enigma Machine before the war and later their work was delivered to the Brits and then the Brits got the machine and codes from the U-559. So, Turing got a lot of help; he didn't do the work all alone. Excerpt from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Enigma_double A Polish Enigma "double" was a machine produced by the Polish Cipher Bureau that replicated the German Enigma rotor cipher machine. The Enigma double was one result of Marian Rejewski's remarkable achievement of determining the wiring of the Enigma's rotors and reflectors.[1] First double Prewar Polish Enigma double The Polish Cipher Bureau recognized that the Germans were using a new cipher. The Germans had mistakenly shipped a cipher machine to Poland; their attempts to recover a shipment raised the suspicions of Polish customs, and the Polish Cipher Bureau learned that the Germans were using an Enigma machine.[2][3][4][5] The Bureau purchased a commercial Enigma machine, and it attempted but failed to break the cipher. In December 1932, the Polish Cipher Bureau tasked Marian Rejewski with breaking the Enigma cipher machine. A French spy had obtained some material about the Enigma, and the French had provided the material to the Polish Cipher Bureau. By that time, the commercial Enigma had been extended to use a plugboard. Rejewski made rapid progress and was able to determine the wiring of the military Enigma. The Bureau modified its commercial Enigma rotors, reflector, and internal wiring to match the military Enigma. The commercial Enigma did not have a plugboard, but the plugboard could be simulated by relabeling the keys and the lamps.[6] The result was the first Enigma double.
Actually was planning on doing a video soon about the Polish capture, surprising how many people don’t know that it was them who initially captured the Enigma! Appreciate you watching :)
They bought them. They were commercially available until about 1935. The Germans banned the sale and added the patch boards. French intelligence obtained the operational procedure manuals which were necessary to understand how the rotors and patch cords were to be set up. The French shared the manuals with the Poles and the Brits.
Brits threw the Poles under the bus after the war - Churchill picked winners and losers - some left to terrible fates (having said that no one else was willing to fight the Nazis alone for 2 years) ... Poland paid a horrible price for being the country between Germany and Russia/USSR ...
@@billdecatur1178 Churchill did nothing of the sort. The return of many Poles to the tender mercies of Stalin was a decision made by the Labour Government after the 1945 General Election.
@@SennaAugustus I gotta tell ya... his "U- 5 hundred 59" is very annoying. Although the information is so good, it actually sounds like the robotic voice knows nothing about WW2 German subs. In another vid, he called a 50 cal machine gun, a " point five oh caliber" gun.
So U-559 was damaged, Enigma & books captured, Oct, 1942. Hmmmmmm Yet the HMS BULLDOG, captured (if that is the right words you want) the ENIGMA Machine and related code books from U-110 on May 9, 1941.. Therefore giving the code breakers at Bletchley Park a huge advantage..
To clarify, there are many different versions of Enigma. There have even been different machines captured, but Bulldog/U-110 was the first to have been in operational condition with current settings and codebooks and so on, and Petard/U-559 captured the new 4-rotor Enigma codebooks (Short Weather Cipher (Wetterkurzschlussel) and Short Signal Book (Kurzsignalsheft), not the machine).
Just a nitpick on an excellent video, it’s HMAS Parramatta not HMS. All Australian navy ships are HMAS or Her Majesties Australian Ship. Cheers mate, Stuart 🇦🇺
Ahh my bad, feel bad about that now as I’m sure that happens far too often to Australia’s war contributions (very underrated IMO). Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)
ODE TO TOMMY BROWN. Born in the old town of North Shields, up on the great Tyne’s shore. A boy named Thomas Brown grew up, a whole lifetime before. Now Tommy was a bright young lad, he would try his hand a owt. That he would be someone someday, there really was no doubt. Far off horizons fueled his thoughts, for he knew he couldn’t stay. A life at sea was what he sought, so he signed then sail away. He lacked in years so he bent the truth, to make his wish come true. To see the world to fight the cause, and sail those oceans blue. He had found his niche in Navy life, it just suit him to a tee. A role he’d play upon the waves, out on the rolling seas. One day tho fate would play her hand, and she would again once more. But cometh the hour cometh the man, Tommy came right to the fore. A stricken U-boat, time was short, three men all brave and true. Stepped to the plate to meet with fate, as each second danger grew. They’d board the sinking submarine, and place all doubts aside. The three would overstay their leave, “It’s time to go” Tom cried! A sudden shudder focussed minds, and gripped the men with fear. All three would sink beneath the waves, only Tom would reappear. As he breached the clear blue waters, he gasped deep for precious air. Concerned was he now for his friends, but fate had claimed the pair. But the salvaged papers Tom retrieved on that momentous day. Would change the future of the world, in the most profound of ways. But in the meantime through his fame, Tom’s age was ascertained. Too young he just could not remain, despite the medals gained. He was eighteen years upon this earth, when on HMS Belfast. He would sail into his home town port, for some family time at last. When Tommy slept alone down stairs, flames licked through his abode. So he did what heroes always do, and flicked to rescue mode. Tommy saved his little sister Maureen, from those wicked flames. But in this sheer act of selflessness, the lad himself was overcame. He would never come to know just what, a difference he had made. The papers Tom took from that sub, were of the highest grade. They helped to break Enigma’s code, and countless lives were saved. To that end we owe our gratitude, for those sacrifices made. Now in the Town where Tom was lain, in the memory of his class. There's a permanent reminder in, the form of stained cut glass. And now every time that gold sun shines, Tom’s name is bathed in light They said he’d be someone someday, and by God they were right. James Bridgewood.
@@johnt8636 Appreciate your hate watching John! 4 comment history on my channel and all 4 negative comments! Love that you’re such a big fan :) Have a great week and find some positivity in your life for your family’s sake!
The enigma was already in british "custody by british and poilish agents during the german campaign in poland 1939. It were the codebooks that were precious prey on the submarine. BTW there were four types of enigma. The type four codeing with four de-chiffering devices could't be cracked. I am not shure about type three. Type one and too were cracked but it took time to decode the messages. With the code books for types I+II it was possible to almost instantly read the german orders on a tactical level.
@@32shumble They didn’t suspect some captains were suspicious, Karl Donitz found out in the 1970’s he was totally shocked. Classified information even after the war.
Officers got the George Cross other ranks got the George Medal for the exact amount of bravery. When British prime minister John Major discovered this after the First Gulf War. He had it changed so everyone was equal in valour no matter what their rank was.
The movie has the Americans as those capturing the German Submarine (U-571, if I recall) and is entertaining .... the Brits are the ones to be credited though .... so nice to see them getting it straight herein. GBjj
Then Hollywood made a film about this event but strangley the heros became American as did the destroyer, another attempt to make America "Great Again" ( not that that was needed as America is, as it always has been, a great country )
And driving BMWs, dating curvy blue eyed blondes, drinking some of the best beer and pastries on the planet, getting 5 weeks paid vacation in the first year of employment, universal health care, . . . . . Thanks.@@GermanShepherd1983
@@GermanShepherd1983 Crap when Germany did not invade with operation Sea Lion Britain was safe The C/Wealth was always safe .And in 1940 the USA had very little impact on the War IN FACT YOU HARDLY HAD ANY IMPACT UNTIL LATE 1944
Turing DID NOT decipher Enigma! Enigma was cracked by 3 Polish codebreakers before the war and the results of their work were gifted to the Bletchley park code breakers in 1939 as a measure taken by the Polish government to prevent/delay German victory. The so called Turings bomb wasn't his invemtion either. It was designed by the same guys before the war but the project was classified, only Turing claimed this invention after the war. Do your research before posting cos your commentary can be misleading.
Perhaps you are unaware that the pre-war Enigma machine and the one of the Bletchley Park period were different beasts, as they evolved. Making the claim you do is akin to creditting the Wright Brothers with the design of the Mustang.
Poles made the first bomba, then the germans added another rotor with another 10 gazillion trillion combination that got added, so the brits had to make a second bomba and a third leading to the first ever computer...
Perhaps schools should stop teaching that Enigma is just 1 thing, it is not simply "the Enigma", there are many different versions, they are constantly updated both in the machines and in procedures.
I made in till the 45 second mark. The POLES broke Enigma in 1932. Turing met with the Polish codebreakers in secret. At the start of WWII, the Germans tried to make their codes harder to break. The knowledge Alan Turing gleaned from the Poles enabled him to build Christopher. The U-boat number is wrong. Do better.
Indeed the poles think that the germans used the same machine as the ones in 1936, and. Think the germans never beefed it up through knowing in 36 it was easily breakable...
@@wor53lg50 Before poles handed over their documentation to British and French in 1939, neither of them had even slightest idea how Enigma even worked and how to start working on solving the problem. Poles were able to figure this out couple of year already and were slowly reaching maximum of their capability to keep pace with Germans improving the complexity of the machine. You easily dismiss Poles input, without even knowing the story. Highly recommend you watch this one: ua-cam.com/video/qn_BBQEjCxI/v-deo.html
Indeed. My wife's dad was a young subaltern aboard HMS Bulldog at the time and (obviously) took part in the event. Seems he was pretty pleased with himself because the wife's eldest sister was conceived during the leave he got after reaching port. 😁
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it is interesting that the Pictures of the great British Minds at the time of WW2. 'All 'were traditional British Men, 'Tommies'. Now in only Eighty years, replaced with foreign corporatized 'Milgram selected',now mostly Third World Personnel. See the West in reality lost !
😅😅😊
And Allen Turing was treated horribly after the war. What the British did to this wonderful man was a total disgrace. A total disgrace.
Tragic but not unsurprising. We Brits have a long history of double dealing and deceit. Taking advantage followed by betrayal. In addition we love to make our lives harder than they need to be,hence Brexit 😢
@@markdavis2475 Speaking for yourself Mark?
@@32shumble Probably 😂
Very sad ending for a man who should’ve been treated as a hero!
The poor man committed suicide because he couldn’t be who he was. So sad.
Read somewhere that there was a German installation that would send out an all clear message every day. Since they knew what the message would be it was possible to determine the wheel and plug settings.
General order was to avoid attacking the facility so the correct settings could be deduced
You forgot...away all boarding parties and U505.
Great info Phil! Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)
U505 was captured in June, 1944. U559 in October, 1942. U505 was no more than a postcript to the Enigma saga.
U505 was illrevent it wasn't required
A regular captain Queeg. Talking U559, Deutschland Unterseeboot U-59 was a Type IIC
Interesting information. Thank you
Thanks for watching :)
The Polish mathematicians had got their hands on an Enigma Machine before the war and later their work was delivered to the Brits and then the Brits got the machine and codes from the U-559. So, Turing got a lot of help; he didn't do the work all alone.
Excerpt from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Enigma_double
A Polish Enigma "double" was a machine produced by the Polish Cipher Bureau that replicated the German Enigma rotor cipher machine. The Enigma double was one result of Marian Rejewski's remarkable achievement of determining the wiring of the Enigma's rotors and reflectors.[1]
First double
Prewar Polish Enigma double
The Polish Cipher Bureau recognized that the Germans were using a new cipher. The Germans had mistakenly shipped a cipher machine to Poland; their attempts to recover a shipment raised the suspicions of Polish customs, and the Polish Cipher Bureau learned that the Germans were using an Enigma machine.[2][3][4][5] The Bureau purchased a commercial Enigma machine, and it attempted but failed to break the cipher.
In December 1932, the Polish Cipher Bureau tasked Marian Rejewski with breaking the Enigma cipher machine. A French spy had obtained some material about the Enigma, and the French had provided the material to the Polish Cipher Bureau. By that time, the commercial Enigma had been extended to use a plugboard. Rejewski made rapid progress and was able to determine the wiring of the military Enigma. The Bureau modified its commercial Enigma rotors, reflector, and internal wiring to match the military Enigma. The commercial Enigma did not have a plugboard, but the plugboard could be simulated by relabeling the keys and the lamps.[6] The result was the first Enigma double.
Actually was planning on doing a video soon about the Polish capture, surprising how many people don’t know that it was them who initially captured the Enigma! Appreciate you watching :)
They bought them. They were commercially available until about 1935. The Germans banned the sale and added the patch boards. French intelligence obtained the operational procedure manuals which were necessary to understand how the rotors and patch cords were to be set up. The French shared the manuals with the Poles and the Brits.
True in essential details, but the pre-war Enigma was a far different beast to the Enigma machine of Bletchley Park days.
Brits threw the Poles under the bus after the war - Churchill picked winners and losers - some left to terrible fates (having said that no one else was willing to fight the Nazis alone for 2 years) ... Poland paid a horrible price for being the country between Germany and Russia/USSR ...
@@billdecatur1178 Churchill did nothing of the sort. The return of many Poles to the tender mercies of Stalin was a decision made by the Labour Government after the 1945 General Election.
The British also cracked the Japanese Naval codes that saved thousands of lives and shorterned the war in the East.
Indeed they did! Very smart folks over there. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
So not like in the movie? What a surprise!
😂
The weather code and short signal code books were both featured in the movie Enigma
This channel is so much better now without the robotic voices
keep this narrator
Glad you like it! Appreciate you watching :)
Still said "five hundred fifty-nine" like a robot would, instead of "five-five-nine".
@@SennaAugustus But hes human?
the best voice is alexa
@@SennaAugustus I gotta tell ya... his "U- 5 hundred 59" is very annoying. Although the information is so good, it actually sounds like the robotic voice knows nothing about WW2 German subs. In another vid, he called a 50 cal machine gun, a " point five oh caliber" gun.
So U-559 was damaged, Enigma & books captured, Oct, 1942. Hmmmmmm Yet the HMS BULLDOG, captured (if that is the right words you want) the ENIGMA Machine and related code books from U-110 on May 9, 1941.. Therefore giving the code breakers at Bletchley Park a huge advantage..
Yes, the U-559 enigma had the extra rotor
@@32shumble Ahhh Thank you for that extra..
To clarify, there are many different versions of Enigma. There have even been different machines captured, but Bulldog/U-110 was the first to have been in operational condition with current settings and codebooks and so on, and Petard/U-559 captured the new 4-rotor Enigma codebooks (Short Weather Cipher (Wetterkurzschlussel) and Short Signal Book (Kurzsignalsheft), not the machine).
Just a nitpick on an excellent video, it’s HMAS Parramatta not HMS. All Australian navy ships are HMAS or Her Majesties Australian Ship. Cheers mate, Stuart 🇦🇺
Ahh my bad, feel bad about that now as I’m sure that happens far too often to Australia’s war contributions (very underrated IMO). Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)
@@HiddenHistoryYT No worries mate, and thanks for the recognition. 👍👍
You mean "Her Majesty's Australian Ship" there is only one Queen or now King. "She'll be right" lol.
@@johnallen7807 Hey John, now who’s nitpicking😂😂. But you’re correct, it should have been “Majesty’s”. Thanks 👍👍
@@scroungasworkshop4663 lol, sorry, it was late and I was bored!
ODE TO TOMMY BROWN.
Born in the old town of North Shields,
up on the great Tyne’s shore.
A boy named Thomas Brown grew up,
a whole lifetime before.
Now Tommy was a bright young lad,
he would try his hand a owt.
That he would be someone someday,
there really was no doubt.
Far off horizons fueled his thoughts,
for he knew he couldn’t stay.
A life at sea was what he sought,
so he signed then sail away.
He lacked in years so he bent the truth,
to make his wish come true.
To see the world to fight the cause,
and sail those oceans blue.
He had found his niche in Navy life,
it just suit him to a tee.
A role he’d play upon the waves,
out on the rolling seas.
One day tho fate would play her hand,
and she would again once more.
But cometh the hour cometh the man,
Tommy came right to the fore.
A stricken U-boat, time was short,
three men all brave and true.
Stepped to the plate to meet with fate,
as each second danger grew.
They’d board the sinking submarine,
and place all doubts aside.
The three would overstay their leave,
“It’s time to go” Tom cried!
A sudden shudder focussed minds,
and gripped the men with fear.
All three would sink beneath the waves,
only Tom would reappear.
As he breached the clear blue waters,
he gasped deep for precious air.
Concerned was he now for his friends,
but fate had claimed the pair.
But the salvaged papers Tom retrieved
on that momentous day.
Would change the future of the world,
in the most profound of ways.
But in the meantime through his fame,
Tom’s age was ascertained.
Too young he just could not remain,
despite the medals gained.
He was eighteen years upon this earth,
when on HMS Belfast.
He would sail into his home town port,
for some family time at last.
When Tommy slept alone down stairs,
flames licked through his abode.
So he did what heroes always do,
and flicked to rescue mode.
Tommy saved his little sister Maureen,
from those wicked flames.
But in this sheer act of selflessness,
the lad himself was overcame.
He would never come to know just what,
a difference he had made.
The papers Tom took from that sub,
were of the highest grade.
They helped to break Enigma’s code,
and countless lives were saved.
To that end we owe our gratitude,
for those sacrifices made.
Now in the Town where Tom was lain,
in the memory of his class.
There's a permanent reminder in,
the form of stained cut glass.
And now every time that gold sun shines,
Tom’s name is bathed in light
They said he’d be someone someday,
and by God they were right.
James Bridgewood.
Thanks Well done
lol... No it wasn't.
@@johnt8636 Appreciate your hate watching John! 4 comment history on my channel and all 4 negative comments! Love that you’re such a big fan :) Have a great week and find some positivity in your life for your family’s sake!
Appreciate it David! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
@@HiddenHistoryYT
Oh, I didn't watch past you getting the U-boat wrong. If you're going to tell a story, tell it right.
@@johnt8636 I can see your comment history on my entire channel genius lol
Thanks for the efforts in using metric also the parramatta was considered a corvette- newer (French) term for a sloop of war
Newer? Corvettes have been around since the 1700's.
Thanks for watching :)
The enigma was already in british "custody by british and poilish agents during the german campaign in poland 1939. It were the codebooks that were precious prey on the submarine. BTW there were four types of enigma. The type four codeing with four de-chiffering devices could't be cracked. I am not shure about type three. Type one and too were cracked but it took time to decode the messages. With the code books for types I+II it was possible to almost instantly read the german orders on a tactical level.
The Germans never suspected that their codes were compromised. Not once. Any changes they made were simply routine upgrades.
They did suspect that's why they added an extra rotor
@@32shumble They didn’t suspect some captains were suspicious, Karl Donitz found out in the 1970’s he was totally shocked. Classified information even after the war.
@@mmm091000 suspected/suspicious potatoes/potatoes!
IMO They didn't know, but they didn't change the bigrams and add more rotors for nothing
@@32shumble upgrades from the very top level, Lou is right ‘very right’ ask any top level Ww2 naval historian.
Officers got the George Cross other ranks got the George Medal for the exact amount of bravery. When British prime minister John Major discovered this after the First Gulf War.
He had it changed so everyone was equal in valour no matter what their rank was.
Brave men!
Googled, 1 Brake Horsepower (bhp) = 1.01386794232804 Horsepower (metric).
Remarkable.
Thanks for watching Simon, have a great week!
The movie has the Americans as those capturing the German Submarine (U-571, if I recall) and is entertaining .... the Brits are the ones to be credited though .... so nice to see them getting it straight herein. GBjj
Using captured code books and enigma machines is NOT code breaking!
Typical British Propaganda.
Enigma machine
Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)
Then Hollywood made a film about this event but strangley the heros became American as did the destroyer, another attempt to make America "Great Again" ( not that that was needed as America is, as it always has been, a great country )
Yep, so so dumb! Appreciate you watching and have a great weekend :)
No the USA was is and always will be perfidious allies
But in the movie, the Americans seized the enigma.
Hollywood tends to do that 😂
Yes, the Hollywood bullshit factory.
Well if it wasn't for the Americans the British would be speaking German today.
And driving BMWs, dating curvy blue eyed blondes, drinking some of the best beer and pastries on the planet, getting 5 weeks paid vacation in the first year of employment, universal health care, . . . . . Thanks.@@GermanShepherd1983
@@GermanShepherd1983 Crap when Germany did not invade with operation Sea Lion Britain was safe The C/Wealth was always safe .And in 1940 the USA had very little impact on the War IN FACT YOU HARDLY HAD ANY IMPACT UNTIL LATE 1944
Haven't seen this before... Why at 8 minutes does it seem like the entire crew is wearing some type of mask?
Not sure tbh. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
wow
Good story. Important information. A pretty dry narration.
Wtf is a metric horse?
...Googling...
10 less watts than freedom horses. 🐴
Knowing is half the battle. G. I. Joe!
I thought us Americans did this in the movie U-571.
Nah it was a lie haha. Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)
Smoking kills
Germany was kinda Petarded .
lol. Appreciate you watching & have a great week :)
....and the movie U-571with Mathew McConaughey was total BS from start to finish.
Indeed it was! Thanks for watching and have a great weekend :)
Don't recall them saying it was a documentary, so why are you so butt hurt?
That movie had Jon Bon Jovi, how could it be any good?
Turing DID NOT decipher Enigma! Enigma was cracked by 3 Polish codebreakers before the war and the results of their work were gifted to the Bletchley park code breakers in 1939 as a measure taken by the Polish government to prevent/delay German victory. The so called Turings bomb wasn't his invemtion either. It was designed by the same guys before the war but the project was classified, only Turing claimed this invention after the war.
Do your research before posting cos your commentary can be misleading.
Perhaps you are unaware that the pre-war Enigma machine and the one of the Bletchley Park period were different beasts, as they evolved.
Making the claim you do is akin to creditting the Wright Brothers with the design of the Mustang.
The Poles gave the British details on how the machines worked. They did not give the British codes.
Poles made the first bomba, then the germans added another rotor with another 10 gazillion trillion combination that got added, so the brits had to make a second bomba and a third leading to the first ever computer...
Perhaps schools should stop teaching that Enigma is just 1 thing, it is not simply "the Enigma", there are many different versions, they are constantly updated both in the machines and in procedures.
I made in till the 45 second mark.
The POLES broke Enigma in 1932.
Turing met with the Polish codebreakers in secret.
At the start of WWII, the Germans tried to make their codes harder to break.
The knowledge Alan Turing gleaned from the Poles enabled him to build Christopher.
The U-boat number is wrong.
Do better.
The British had nothing to do with breaking the Japanese military codes, it was all American know how. You need to reread your WW2 history about this.
Donate to the "Wounded Warrior Project"
so much BS about history of Enigma..
Indeed the poles think that the germans used the same machine as the ones in 1936, and. Think the germans never beefed it up through knowing in 36 it was easily breakable...
@@wor53lg50 Before poles handed over their documentation to British and French in 1939, neither of them had even slightest idea how Enigma even worked and how to start working on solving the problem. Poles were able to figure this out couple of year already and were slowly reaching maximum of their capability to keep pace with Germans improving the complexity of the machine. You easily dismiss Poles input, without even knowing the story. Highly recommend you watch this one: ua-cam.com/video/qn_BBQEjCxI/v-deo.html
The British captured the enigma machine from the U-110 May 9, 1941
Indeed. My wife's dad was a young subaltern aboard HMS Bulldog at the time and (obviously) took part in the event.
Seems he was pretty pleased with himself because the wife's eldest sister was conceived during the leave he got after reaching port. 😁
Correct, this one that was captured from U-559 had the extra rotor on it that the Germans had added post U-110. Appreciate you watching :)
That’s incredible, thank you to him for his service! I plan on doing a video on the HMS Bulldog here soon!
How is this not a Danny McBride movie?
So many facts. Lol.
Appreciate you watching & have a great week :)
NOT true....this story is entirely false.
Really? Why?
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Becasue he watched a movie. lol
In hollywood the fragals trust..