NINEBOT SEGWAY MAX VS XIAOMI M365 PRO VS TURBOWHEEL SWIFT | Electric Scooter Review
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this is the first proper scooter review i've seen on youtube. congrats.
I own a xiaomi pro and doing a commute from london to slough via vauxhall to paddington, train to slough then to a data centre then back is just about doable on one charge.
But I must stress that it's best you have a charging point wherever you leave or park it, on it's last few bars it will slow down to 8mph.
I've also learned the hard way of never challenging anything that looks to be higher than 10cm. Unlike bikes with bigger wheels you should not try to go on pavements with steps, I will always try to find the flat surface to slide in on or stop and bring the scooter on the pavement. I ate dirt when I tried to challenge it, you could also attempt a physical jump on the scooter but I'm sure you'll eventually break something.
Note, watch out for potholes on cycling lanes if you're on the road. I travel on the early hours and late hours where it's dark and these potholes can cause a huge accident on a busy road, potentially life threatning. These are pretty common. Also it's incredibly difficult to do hand signals with a scooter since your right is occupied with acceleration, it's why it's almost a necessity to get an accessory to do this for you.
There is no suspension on this thing, you will feel every gravel, twig and bug you crush...
Also got stopped for the first time yesterday at hyde park by an officer, let me off with a warning.
All in all, I'd say wait till it's legalised or get a bike (hell I'm eyeing a brompton more and more), if you travel a short distance in london then I could recommend it or any other city with good cycle lanes.
iTouchin have u been stopped again since this I’m thinking about getting this scooter are they fast or is a bike better and faster?
@@rtgetsbusy_8035 I usually fly past casual bikers
Maybe he was going across the park where cycling is prohibited. You can only use cycle lanes in the royal parks. They are very strict.
Tests a scooter whose speed is 25 kilometers per HOUR, rides it for just 35 kilometers, somehow manages to drag it for hours and hours out to the night. Makes sense.
I bought the Max and I love it precisely because of the minimal anxiety. Infinite range, large wheels, the tubeless tires are also self-healing (filled with sealant or some shit), there's no charging brick to carry around, the 25 km/h speed is great simply because I don't want to die (also when there's no option to, I don't always feel like I should be going faster), the headlight is not only the brightest but it's cone is also shaped so it doesn't blind people, the IP rating is even better for the core components (IPX7), charging time beats the Xiaomi Pro by 2 hours (and it charges more range while doing so), and because it's meant to be used by sharing companies it's basically indestructible.
Edit: And also (like the Xiaomi) it wasn't designed by children, which I can't say about the Turbowheel.
I might wait until Ninebot decides to properly mass-produce the Ninebot Max unless they bring out a brand new variant, which I will dub as the Ninebot Max+ due to some minor issues that needs to be addressed such as the lack of suspension or weight reduction (from 18.7kg to 17.5kg) or increase of mileage to 80km or heck 100km! Really wanted the handle bars & foot deck to be slightly darker like how the Xiaomi Pro is darker than the original Xiaomi M365.
@@gtone339 Mate, like Ben, I've tried to test the range. Trust me, I really did... Your body gives up sooner than the scooter. The increased range would only be helpful if you're planning on not charging it for a week or something.
@@WhenTheUhh Ya, the increased battery range is what makes the Max sell world wide, and yes its best to reserve the battery for the next day unless you really want to tackle a lengthy-as 30+km journey hehe!
@@WhenTheUhh hi so after owning this scooter is there any other that you think could be better like for comfort and speed etc
If only Ninebot makes a folding version of their commercial Max Plus - front suspension makes a difference
You have sold me on the Swift, comfort and safety (braking) is important for me. However, I will wait until scooters are legal before I purchase one.
Love the reviews as always. I was stuck between the Swift and the Max for a while last year. Ultimately ended up with the Max because of how sturdy it was. I've got a onewheel for fun and electric bikes for speed. The scoot was always just for putting around. Now there's custom firmware flashers out there and it's quick, at the price of some of that range. I'm happy with my choice.
How has the Max been working for you since you posted your comment? Any issues?
@vic Oregano good question, dude @j.cleverly we need an answer !
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Answer to vic
Wow UA-cam didn't notify me a single time except this last message. Max is still going strong. I'm usually on my Onewheel over anything else at this point, but my S.O. has over 1000 miles on her Max running alternative firmware without issue. We lend mine out to friends and it probably has 200+ miles on it now.
Great job Ben as always, keep up the good work, by far the best scooter reviewer!!!!
Cheers buddy!!
Ninebot Max🔥🔥🔥
Vroom! 🛴😁👍
Brum brum
Ripuli_ 247 mmm mmm**
everyone people on facbook and instagram have bad reviews about these scooters and say their
customer service is horrible. i hear alot of people are stuck with
broken scooters and wont get a reply from Segway. Sucks cuz i was
already convinced on buying one of these... im still hopeful!
First of all I have to say you are the only UA-camr I spend time ACTUALLY commenting and liking( and obviously subscribing), keep up the good work Ben! You are a great creator, I used to be a camera man myself so I know how much work you put into filming and editing.
Now to the video! This one was clearly an upgrade comparedכ to the old scooter showdowns, a lot more detailed and that range test! my god! 30+ KM a day on a scooter, what a sacrifice!
I feel like just like you've said, the ninebot was built to be a rental scooter rather than an owned one, and it looks like it's made at the same factory of the Xiaomi or something, they are too much a like.
Waiting for your next one!
Very kind Bar! Appreciate it :) Glad you enjoy getting involved 🎥 And Yes this one certainly took some making!!
keep in mind the xiaomi u can replace anything mod and upgrade anything for a good price aswell
Ninebot max for me I'm in for the ride and battery life these scooters are not toys you can get hurt I love my ride
Yea but it weights 18 kilos and costs more..?
@@someone-yj2im mate hes comparing power and portability and they (and me) want more power at portability cost and money is probably not that relevent.
Like check out the dualtron prices
They are toys and isn’t likely to get hurt at 15 mph
@@ballsdeep6954 broke my ribs going that fast. So it's possible to get hurt.
@@johnstover4584 it’s unlikely unless you are just dumb or you riding down a hill with no suspension I can get hurt running then to
In my opinion a good top speed is 30 -50 mph there isn’t any point getting a scooter that I can out run
I currently have a scooter that only goes 15 and it is so boring to ride and it doesn’t have good battery
As 110kg I run the standard m365 and it's fine. Not uphill, the slightest incline can see you do 5-8mph but it does go. Out of the ones I've tested I definitely like the small and lightness of the m365.
Hey man!! Long time. Happy new year's! Swift is on my radar for sure.
Hi
I am owner of m365pro and i did just bouth a max g30 I can say it is huge diffent in confort of them two.
For me it is the length of the plate u stand on, their g30 is longer and more nice for me, next issue i got with m365 is when wind come at side u will gilde to over other side of the way if u runing max speed. that issue do you not have with max. when u driving down for hills the m365 feel it like tip u over and does not have nice feeling so you are force using the break for down hills allot, that issue do you not have with g30 u can using more speed in down hills without using the break to mush. also going up for hills the m365 is week on that, but max can clime alot better that m365. And you got more nice drive filling with max, I been using m365 for one year and max for 1 week now.
How is the Max G30 battery working now ?
2nd question: The m365 and Maxg30 batteries quality compare ?
Thanks
I really appreciate the effort of making this video, cheers
Emad Aquarius Aw thanks man! 💪🏻💪🏻
@andy lucas Thanks Andy! 💪🏻
I love my ninebot max here in Auckland ! I can't compare it to the others but I'm absolutely loving it
Straight to the point, informative, and entertaining? Be still my beating heart!
🥰🥰🥰😇
Im owner of xiaomi 365 pro, must have scooter. Cheap and good quality, if you have good roads you don't need suspension. I'm from Greece with really bad roads and i don't have problems, also to go home i have to ride about 2 kilometres of hill without problems, the average speed on hills is about 10-15 km/h.
Can you share if you still have pneumatic wheel or have you already changed it to a solid one? And how does it affect in a not so good road. Thank you. :)
Fabio Oliveira
Solid wheels make the scooter quite a bit shakier.
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@@michailkatsas7193 sorry I don't speak spaghetti
After a couple of weeks of watching reviews for all kinds of scooter (I'm 5'10" 175 lbs and I plan to commute 11 miles each way from Queens to Manhattan) I choose the Segway MAX. The Horizon was a close 2nd. Deal breaker for me is that the MAX looks sturdier/built like a tank and low maintenance.
How has it been working out for you? Any issues?
Hey man, how are you doing with your Scooter?. I live in Queens too and I'm thinking about buying one.
1 month later, riding 11 miles each way almost every day between queens and Manhattan, I can say I made a good choice. No issues. 19mph is all you need in this city. I'm 175lbs and 11 miles drains 40% of my battery on Super. It takes me 35 mins To complete the 11 miles. I don't plan to ride it in rain, I'll take the Subway those days.
Hi, I bought a 12 mile old M365 pro 2 from a 15 stone guy who was disappointed with its hill climbing ability. I am 13 stone. I bought it for £335 and had a bargain. My main commute involves a tow path, dirt track, cycle path, B road path and a long steep hill back to my house. The round trip is only about 3 miles and I’m left with a healthy 65% battery at the end, so range doesn’t seem a problem. The hill at the end keeps me at a healthy 21 km per hour. But at the steepest parts of a hill it drops to 10-11 km per hour.
Now I’ve seen the videos on UA-cam of the Ninebot max G30 with its 10” tubeless wheels and more importantly the 350 watt motor at the rear it got me thinking 🤔 do I buy it and sell my pro 2 for say £300. I saw your video (very informative, and well done on the range test 👍🏻). Having ridden both, do you think I’d be disappointed with the extra spends for the minor extra gains, or do you think the 350 watt motor will relieve the 10-11 km per hour bogging down. Confused ! I’d value your thoughts on it ?
P.S am I likely to get a puncture on the Pro 2 now that they have better thicker tyres ?
My trusted M365 does the job for me... Counting on you Ben to organise an e-scoot and e-wheel meet next summer😆
Plan!
Definitely has to be done
i got my ninebot max 2 weeks ago and the range is amazing, it is heavy, but ok for me.
the top speed of 15mph is not to shabby, but i have unlocked it to 30km 18mph approx top speed using a es1 dash purchased from ebay and a pc.
i am even more happy with the ninebot max. which is now my main way to work now.
great review as always with your other videos.
would like to see your review on the inokim light 2 and quick 3 at some point :)
I'm looking at getting one for daily commute too. Whats it like using in typical rainy/drizzly weather like in London?
Totally agree with you about the importance of suspension. But the solid back tire on the Swift concerns me when needing to ride on wet roads.
Great review as always.
I brought a refurbished 365 pro from pure scooters, £360 next day delivery and its like new love it. Might get the zero emissions set yet ;)
Deal! and do it 😏
Excellent, hands-on, real world review. I especially appreciate your personal opinion on why you'd choose the pro over the max (the two I'm undecided between)
This is the best escooter review that I've seen, having watched air 50 of them already...
Nope. Kaabo is best.
I agree with your assessment. The MAX is sorely lacking in suspension and somewhat in power, so advantage: Turbowheel. But, I think the MAX will last longer. It seems to be very durable. It's designed to take abuse by the rental market. (Except that plastic bottom plate)
Yes Matt! Literally Sorely lacking! Especially after that range test 🍑
The thing with the G30 is that it's legal where I live (15mph top speed, less than 20kg), while the faster and more fun scooters aren't.
Where do you live
Full tires have the drawbag of having way less comfort and less grip. Even if the swift has rear suspension, the max is more comfortable in everyday use.
Easy way to do the range tests Put the scooter on its back stick the lever so it's keeps going let it lay on the floor wheels spinning that way you can leave it at the house and calculated range from that
Your editing skills impress me !
Great video. Ok so, if Xiaomi creates a new scooter exactly like the M365 Pro but with suspension, for let's say, 50€ more, they can really dominate the market.
Ninebot Max has 65 km range and better tires and more speed and power
@@_4o4o_ Only if they released the Ninebot Max plus model (with front suspension) then I will buy that instead.
@@gtone339 scooters with suspensions are more expensive and more heavy
I live in a building without an elevator and such scooters are uncomfortable
@@_4o4o_ Might as well get a E-TWOW GT or GT 2020 then.
@@gtone339 ua-cam.com/video/QbL3Flzd3kE/v-deo.html
I like the Ninebot Max just fine, but as the owner of a Turbowheel Lightning I was pleased to see it's little baby brother the Swift do so well in comparison, winner winner! 😎
Ninebot now has G30P Max Gen 2, and aftermarket suspension is available, also there is Hacked Firmware to unlock the Full 700watt motor,
There is a Universal Model that is half unlocked from the box
I agree with your favourite choice. I've upgraded my m365 to a Zero 8 (the turbowheel but with only one brake and red accents). It's fun, and have even once managed to go more than 38km in one charge. Would trade the hard rubber for a tubeless in a jiffy though.
What's the reliability like with the swift though I think the xiaomi Pro seems to be most reliable and value for money and apparently will do the claimed range in eco mode I'm not sure which one to buy I keep thinking of the xiaomi Pro as it seems lighter so can be taken on buses etc
6:32 The cover is metal, just saying. Great video anyway.
The best character has to be your… MOM! She's-a-so-a-proud! *pinches cheeks*
lol
With custom FW you can do easily 32km/h on PRO. 28km/h on 20% of battery :). I also bought Janobike 2000W dual motor scooter, 1200Wh battery, 65km/h max speed for 850$. THAT is the best scooter :).
Got my Xiaomi Pro to travel up to 35km/hr, and someimtes it dips around 32km/hr due to me carrying extra back packs hehe!
With the ninebot max you can buy higher voltage packs/kits aswell as rear and front suspension and lots more
That's right Ben, the Xiaomi Pro should of had the Ninebot Max's refined bell's & whistles, and its good that you provided feedback on those 10"inch pneumatic-tubeless tyres like how its more stable than the xiaomi pro's 8.5" inch tyres and its more puncture-resistant as well (totally agree on that one). Yes, the weight of the Ninebot Max is 4.5kg heavier than the Pro due the larger battery capacity & increase of dimension as well. I'm impressed that you tackled the range test in Sports mode, and I knew the range would last around 35km-40km.
For my Xiaomi Pro I hacked the speed up to 22mph/35km/hr since 25km/hr felt slow for me since I live in a open environment where footpaths are wider & roads are even wider as well. Well, since you made this vid I'm not so sure whether to get the Ninebot Max unless I test one for myself. Oh by the way, Ninebot or Xiaomi may add suspension for their future E-scooters so keep an eye on them & the Ninebot T60 (Tri-wheel) next year!!
Anyway, advance Merry Christmas to you Ben hehe! 🎄🎅👍🛴😁
Good video, but a little detail is wrong: the rear light cable on the Xiaomi Pro is protected by a little piece of metal ^^ found out when I took mine apart for cleaning and assembling the license plate holder
You're surpassing yourself on every one of these, dude! Loving your work! I'm still Team Zoom EX 🙂 HAVE AN EFFING LOVELY CHRISTMAS, BENJAMIN!
💪🏻Go Tiger
Wow the range on the ninebot!!
I have a ninebot max. I have seen the speedo hit 39km/h downhill. Cruising at 32km/h sometimes. Its the g30p BEAST!!!!
What I got from this was verification that the Big Ben is STILL under construction. Good to know when not to go to London
Polarpwnage what happed to it or is it just maintenance
I am not at all hunting for an E-scooter, but your vid has completely convinced me I might need one.
Mohd Razee Salleh your night kind of subscriber buddy!
Thanks Ben for the range test LOL!
I got my ninebot max through indiegogo... tried it now to avoid commuting to avoid using public transport and and suspension is ... well non existent as you show, range is very long, wish they could have made it lighter with less range. Speed is an issue when going next to traffic, just downloaded a new firmware (not from the maker) to get 30+ km/ph which should make it much enjoyable. Using as much as the back roads as possible but it is getting me around which is great. Any news on weather the e-scooters will be legal in the UK ( I worry every time I see the authority on the road but so far no one has said anything). Great video … 👍
Yes!!!! Finally!! I currently have the original 365 and looking to upgrade to one of these two. I was literally waiting for your review because deciding. I love your work. Thank you!
Cheers Paul! Glad to help :O)
The Swift looks like a carbon copy of the Falcon Zero 8! Nice to see Carly in there, even if it was for only a nano second :)
The Swift is a variant of Zero 8 with LG battery pack, that all important front brake, trolley & handle-kit. It also has a stiffer suspension for heavier >70kg Riders.
with my limited space and mobility problems this is the best mobility scooter for me! fits in my hallway and great speed and i made my own cover for the handle bars and its an old quilt cover wrapper so it is see through and the handle bars go through the cut out at the bottom of the bag,, my addition and a smaller one could be made with some skill,, keeps the rain off the LCD screen and i use my scooter for doctor appointments and going to town as the council have a bike store with staff so your scooter is safe and free service so check your town to see if you have a similar service as even D-Locked scooters have known to be stolen, so a bike store is the safest place, i can get to town within 8 minutes of my front door, it would be a 25 minute walk otherwise, with mobility problems my scooter is my legs,, i am glad to see more people out on scooters,,
Seems like the ninebot is a rebranded and slightly improved 365. I imagine a lot of companies are making xiaomi style scooters now
That settles it buying the daughter a nine bot max! Limited speed good range to get her where she needs to go n back!
Did you get one
What a huge mistake it is.... Get her an etwow GT or an inokim light 2...
hhy2k why?
Lee Papworth I did
Bought kugoo m4 brilliant scooter have a 365 pro xnsoi pro m4 is very quick
Ben, this video was super well made!
In the US, the Ninebot max is limited to 30 kph. Mine will pull 30 kph down to 1 bar of charge left. And when voltage starts to sag, it doesn't drop by 1 kph. It will be dropping like 5 kph and continue trending downwards.
Turbo Wheel is basically à Zero 8. That model got as much copies as the standard Xiaomi m365 does.
I'm in the US so my Max has a top speed of just over 18mph. Like your Max my top speed will drop to 17mph after one bar or so of battery loss. I'm okay with this as long as the scooter will maintain a speed of at least just over 15.5mph. I'm all about having jumbo range and always want more of it so it was definitely a major selling point for me with the Max. Yeah, suspension would be nice, but I've accepted the fact that the Xiaomi-like design of this scooter just doesn't lend itself to having it.
The pro for me, anything heavier and clunkier defeats the point of having a scooter. If you want fun, get a dualtron and have a smaller scooter for commuting. I have my 14kw ebike for fun and the pro for running errands.
Yaaas, stats! Thanks boi
i did 600 miles on a ninebot max. tried many others. bought the swift. ben fox didn't show the swift provides an optional suspension bolt on seat that FOLDS!, and a fast charger that is 3x faster than the regular charger.
it's a mini motocyle and it blows the ninebot max away. just in a different category. WAY better.
hard to come by with reviews as good as this. Thanks!
I can't find the M365 pro anywhere!?
This is similar > ua-cam.com/video/bl8Yqpy1urQ/v-deo.html
amazing editing skills, Congrats, nice video .
Cheers!
Great video. BUT I WANT THOSE STICKERS!!
Just bought m365... they are down to $300 usd now right now.. My first scooter. I'm going to put slime in the tires because i've heard they are prone to flats.
I got a M365 Pro 2 and no regrets!
All right break test was hillllarious! :D
Biggest concerns is the battery lifetime, let's say they all last 500 empty to full charges. That would mean that the Max would last more then twice then the other two.
When you say your biggest concern is battery lifetime, you mean you're concerned about the replacement cost right? A replacement battery for the m365 pro is $130. So for the same cost as the ninebot max, you could get an m365 pro and an extra 3 batteries.
The Ninebot Max can have 2 chargers plugged in to cut times in half. Also the Top speed is 18.6mph but I think its locked. There are ways around it. But I still prefer my Ninebot ES4 because of full suspension and 19-22mph top speed.
Great video i enjoy watching my Ninebot Max🎥👌
Cheers dude
@@BenFox01 cheers back 🍻
Is there parts available for repairs? Or is it a throw away scooter?
XIaomi for me because its a light weight 12.5kg 🔥 and pmeumatic tires are smooth for the bumpy road
Anybuddy?... Which one is gud in long drive battery nine bot max or Xiomi 2pro.....? Mostly am driving in hill area
Most people decided plastic on the bottom of the scooter because plastic doesn't rot away as fast as steel as long as it isn't exposed to sunlight. The steel, after about 6 years the bottom of that will rot out.
Awesome video so awesome I bought 2 Ninebots Max from Amazon and 2 zero emissions t-shirts from T-springs ...Can you tell me where I can get the zero emissions decals for my scooters? Thanks for your vids
Just tweeted u Henry!
@@BenFox01 got it
@@BenFox01 they are coming in in a week and I will send you my home made video when I get them😁
Looks like he scalped Robocop and is wearing it as a trophy
If you buy the xiaomi and the ninebot in the USA they will do 19mph
I have a m365 with suspension and 10 inch wheels the es4 and the max all with cfw my favorite is the max since I am a larger person.
Hey, Ben met you at comic con in October, really nice guy great vids keep it up.
Thx Buddy! see u next Con!
just got the max first ride in sport shows 30km was there a update on newer scooters?
I believe both brands are made from the same production line.
Thank you for a good review. How does the Monorim suspension work on G30 and Pro2? Would it make them much bettetr to drive on a bumpy road?
Love ur vids
Hey man your work here it's really nice! Thanks a lot! Don't pay attention too much to the trolls, keep with the good job.
365 pro costs 400 euros, what do you expect for that price?
I love the yellow on it
Thanks Ben. I really enjoyed this video and was thinking about getting the Ninebot Max but looks well heavy.
Thank you for this Video. I was able to decide which one I needed to buy l and got the Kickscooter Nineboot Max ordered, thus the suspension issue got me disappointed but hey! it got all the features that I needed. Especially I live in San Francisco, It's mostly Hilly and I guess that this beast will kill it. Thanks again
Bought the Xiaomi Pro recently for my 6km commute daily. So far, good, but I take the back roads and ride on the road where it’s smoother so not much problem. Would LOVE suspension though... Oh, and one one flat tyre already!
Tell me about it! Had 2 flats so far on my Xiaomi Pro (front tyre) and now ever since I purchased a more durable pneumatic tyres the tyres lasts longer than the stock ones.
gtone339 Waiting to see if it’s a regular problem. After fiddling too long, I took to a bike shop that fitted a new one for $20 (NZ). Worth it.
Just an observation on the turbowheel swift. When you have it folded up and want to use the trolly wheels. Why not screw one of the handles you want to grab onto and telescope out the handle bars and you could pull it around like luggage. I get mine in a few day and will have to test this myself.
Just started to get interested in buying a scooter and I must say brilliant videos dude and asks all the right questions ! Good style man x
Aw thanks buddy! Plenty more videos for you to peruse! 😄
if you change the serial number to a us one, it will go 30km/h
How do u change it?
@@gabegabessi2638 go and see videos wtf
Congratulations and thank you for making such a well put together video. superb work.
Pleasure Buck!
*So on the ninebot max you did 22.3 miles with 24% battery left? Or did you include the estimated 15.6km remaining in your final total of 22 miles?*
I would love to buy one of those scooters but in switzerland the max speed for scooters is restricted to 20km/h
You can restrict it in the app I guess. Or just don't go faster ;)
@@Mietas2 it's still illegal
No rear brake is a deal breaker for me. I do not trust the motor brake. Suspension is for old people.
Hey bud love watchin ur reviews I wanted to buy a scooter for online food deliveries can u suggest a good one for me to buy I stay in Swindon n roads are mostly flat n smooth
Very helpfull review thanks 🙏 now I know which I’m going to get
Ooh what did you go for? 👀
Segway Ninenot max because having longer battery life and more distance
@@marcinstawczyk5377 Nice!
Ben Fox segway ninenot max