That wasn't even their biggest contribution. Sauron heard a rumor that his ring had come into the hands of someone named Baggins, and that this Baggins had interacted with the dwarves. Sauron sent emissaries to the Lonely Mountain, promising them all the remaining Dwarves Rings of Power in exchange for the location of Baggins. The dwarves told Sauron where he could stick it, then sent Gimli on a quest to find Bilbo and warn him. It was pure coincidence that Gimli encountered the Hobbits, and the Ring, in Rivendell.
@@ArbiterofTruth you could be right. I've only watched The Hobbit trilogy by Peter Jackson (looking for an old 3d printed ring of mine before starting my LOTR trilogy watch), so I'm still a new fan.
@@Scar-Predatorjust to add here, its the same Dain we see in the Hobbit. Sadly he died on top of Bards grandson or i think great grandson. They were both in a last stand at the lonely mountain. If I remember correctly sauron sent orcs along with Harradrim troops to attack the Dwarves and Dale.
@@shaunneary They were generally squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, bow-legged, with wide mouths and slant eyes, long arms, dark skin, and fangs. Cant be too far off from todays evil do- ers?? Seems real to me 😂🤣😂
Dwarves: *Getting besieged on all sides by innumerable servants of Sauron* Elrond: "Dwarves hiding in their mountains instead of coming down here to help us." Gimli: "I'm right here." Elrond: "They care nothing for the troubles of others." Gimli: "Look, let's just destroy the ring." *Axe explosion* Elrond: "Greedy dwarves, just looking for riches." Gimli: "Since I can't do it personally, I'll pledge my life to aiding the ring bearer so he can destroy the Ring." Elrond: "Now where's my daughter? I need to rag on her about her boyfriend."
The dwarves suffered probably more than any other race in middle earth. They were hunted by elves after their awakening, lost their holy birth place of gundabad to orcs, their capital of Khazad-dûm to an ancient balrog and their biggest treasure in erebor to a dragon.
Wasn't that treasure recovered in the Hobbit though? Or was that a different mountain? If it's not a different mountain then they got their gold back it's all good.
actually they left gundabad, let the orc filth take it in the first sacking of gundabad, some years after(many many years) they tried to reclaim it in the second sacking of gundabad, and guess what, they fucking left once again xD semi canon lore however says the 7th incarnation of durin took it back for good after the downfall of sauron, along with Moria, this has pieces of canon in it that's filled with most likely theories, and they got back the treasure in erebor after the battle of five armies
Legolas tells gimli right before they ride out with theoden to aid Gondor that “your kin may not have the need to ride out to war, they have war in their lands already”
Elrond literally looks to leave middle earth, whilst the dwarves didn't rat out the ring bearer, tried to warn him, and damn near faced extinction rather than submit
And he died because he refused to abandon the fallen Brand, the lord of Dale. He fought to the bitter end because of loyalty and his friendship with a man.
@@skywatcher6106 It's revealed in the Return Of The King book, he dies defending Dale and Bard's grandson's body against a horde of Orcs and Easterlings, but dies in the process.
The movies are great but they really miss just how much wild stuff was going on. Mirkwood had a major battle and the scouring of Dol Guldur, the Dwarves and Northmen were fighting the orcs and men of Rhun to the north, the southern fiefs of Gondor were dealing with the men of Umbar till aragorn showed up, also they entirely cut the Grey Company which was a group of Northern Dunedein who were the bodyguards of their Chieftan Aragorn. The books were wild. The saddest thing they cut was the battle for the shire to take it back from Sauruman (yes that happened). Edit: PS excellent movies, but it's hard to adapt near perfect fantasy literature into movies.
“Horsemen?! Hmmph. I wish I could muster a legion of dwarves, fully armed and filthy.” “Your friends may have no need to ride to war. I fear war already marches on their own lands.” - Legolas to Gimli, Return of the King extended edition
This make it sound that only the dwarves were keeping a lot of armies occupied. While Gondor was being attacked, Lothlorien and mirkwood was under siege as well. So basically Sauron's MASSIVE armies were split between gondor, lothlorien, mirkwood, and the lonely mountain.
Which makes it crazy when one realizes that what was at Pelennor was most likely a fraction of what Sauron's full host was. Even after all those defeats, Sauron still had a reserve army in Mordor that was ten thousand strong at the Least. Which would have probably been enough to finish off Minas Tirith if he would have thrown that army at them immediately after the defeat at Pelennor Fields.
Don't forget other battles as well Cause I believe they did attempt attacks at other parts of northern middle earth but these were held back Heck even the Eagles were dealing with things as well The only reasonable aid that could come for anyone was the Rohirim and that was only because of the aid of the Hobbits Without them Condor would have fallen, and then every other place after
@@emperorkane317Pellenor fields was just an army of Minas Morgul. Mirkwood was attacked from Dol Guldur, Erebor and Dale from Gundabad and Rhun, Fiefdoms from Umbar, Rohan from Isengard and Dunland, Rivendell from Moria. The actual armies of Mordor weren't even on the march yet.
Shows why the fellowship was so important. I imagine if Sauron didn't want to attack piecemeal like he did. He knew the Ring was on the move, and it forced him to move before he could fully consolidate. Imagine if he had mustered his entire forces and defeated each realm in detail. None could have stopped that. The ring being on the move, made him launch early.
@@drd675 The ring and Frodo's quest was really the only chance the free people got. They barely survived the first wave and knew the Last Alliance siege of Barad Dur couldn't be repeated.
The entirety of the War in the North is the reason the dwarves are not seen for most of the War of the Ring, since they're being besieged by easterlings and orcs of Gundabad for the whole adventure of Frodo and others.
Tolkien: during the second age, elves, men, and dwarves all allied together and fought at Mount doom to defeat Sauron. They also did this during the first Age. And during the third age they got invited to join Sauron and resisted, sent a warning to Rivendell to tell them Sauron is looking for the shire, and fought to the death defending their home from Sauron Writers of the movies: dwarves are greedy and hide in their mountains doing absolutely nothing to help the fellowship
If I'm not mistaken, dwarves were also the most resistant of races when it came to the corruption of Morgoth. They also straight up couldn't be corrupted by the rings personally crafted by Sauron which were given to them. Even elves didn't hold a candle to them. Their only real weakness was greed. Scratch that and they were the unbreakable paragons of duty, loyalty, honour and major force of good in the Middle-Earth. Without them, dragons (their natural enemies and which they were the most suited to fight) would have been far, far more numerous, dangerous and created far more havoc
It was Dain Ironfoot and the dwarves who fought the easterlings and orcs in the Lonely mountain for rejecting sauron's offer in exchange of the info about the one ring and fought side by side with Bard the bowman's grandson Brand king of the Dale.
I would actually like a film about the war in that area. Thranduil in the forest, Dale and Erebor in the mountain. It would be a dope moment to see Rhun in action, as we only saw them marching to Mordor in the movies. You can add little remarks of where we are in the main movies from time to time. It is also a good place to let the imagination go, as we know little, other than the general parts of what happens.
But hey if you have the game Mount and Blade Warband there's a lord of the rings mod you can download that let's you play as any of the factions, very well made mod, I've put tons of hours into it lol
@@crusaderfiend7619 I have mount and blade in my to do list, what I've sink an ungodly amount of hours into is Divide and Conquer, one of the lord of the rings mods for Medieval 2, a great war of the ring experience!
It’s not entirely Elrond’s fault for thinking this way. Elves and dwarfs have had some serious racial issues for a super long time. Like the races hated one another. Elrond is actually being pretty tolerant in comparison to many elves and dwarves. Think back to Gimli’s statements in the counsel of Elrond. It’s really Legolas and Gimli who heal the rift between their peoples. Also yea Galadriel and her kin fight a pretty massive battle in Mirkwood and in the northland. The Rangers are fighting orcs around the Shire continuously (while the hobbits had no idea why they were so safe) the Dwarves had a pretty massive army they were dealing with the lonely mountain and the Dwarves of the Iron hills. (Thorin Oakenshield’s cousin if you remember) Dain held their for a really long time. Balin is dead in Moria.
@@angelicthorn5062 the specific instigation was the Sindarian elves. But the hatred was still very prevalent between both sets of elves clearly. Elrond doesn’t even mention Dwarves as one of the free peoples of middle earth. But like I said he was definitely more Tolerant then most elves.
@@angelicthorn5062the noldor dont trust anyone. They are your typical high elves and other than elrond whos only half elven the rest are rude to dwarves and humans.
Not to mention Sauron offered them their old Rings of power and riches and Moria forever if they share what they know about hobbits and locate a simple ring they had, and the dwarves sent the messenger away and immediately sent Gloin to the elves.
It's funny how described in the book though, like the dwarves refuse Sauron when he sends a Ringwraith to parley, but not in a "Begone, wicked thing!" way, more in a "Yeeeeah, can we, uhh. Have some time to think about it? We'll, uhh. We'll get back to you on that." way. Like it's a "Don't call us, we'll call you" rejection. XD
Gandalf comments near the end of the trilogy that if not for the dwarves and men fighting Sauron's northern armies there would possibly not have been a Rivendell or Lorian to return to. I think it is one of the Appendices.
Maybe - Tolkien did mention that only Sauron with the ring could beat Lorien. 1 million of mordor armies could march on it and they would still be beaten. Its a 300 on steroids type of situation.
Also the dwarves of the Lonely Mountain(/Iron Hills) did care about men…? They work closely with the people of Dale, n implicitly came in part due to Brand’s concerns. They participated throughout the battle from the beginning; it being both armies (and the population of Dale) being driven back to the Lonely mountain.
true! And when the King of Dale died in Battle, King Dain stood by his corpse defending it until he himself was slain. After that was when the Dwarves and Men retreated into Erebor. Then Thorin Stonehelm (Dain's son) and the Prince of Dale (Bard II) rallied their forces and sallied out defeating Sauron's army!
you forget the dwarves and the men of dale and the beornings and the elves of mirkwood were fighting the orcs and easterlings in the northern part of middle earth while the elves of lorthlorian were fighting the orcs from dol guldur according to the books and not from the movie
People who haven't read the books often don't know that Mordor was attacking everywhere simultaneously. The dwarves and Men of Dale in the north were fighting just as much as any other group. The war was so much bigger than what could be shown on screen.
Dane Iron foot faught at the battle of the Lonely Mountain against Sauron's forces during the war of the rings. Correct me if I'm wrong but his famous last stand was enough to cause the dark armies to route.
Sauron also sent armies to attack the Elves of Mirkwood and Lothlorien. Erebor was beseiged by a host of Easterlings. King Dain Ironfoot and his dwarves fought alongside the men of Dale. Mind you, all this happens around the same time. Saurons goal was to occupy the enemy in the north while he made his move against the men of Gondor and the ring bearer.
That is what's meant when it is stated that Sauron began his attack too early, before he was ready, after Pippin glared at the Palantir. The plan was for the Northern armies to wipe out Dale/Erebor/Mirkwood/Lorien and then come south to combine with others and aid in the destruction of Gondor. And they would have succeeded, both the Kings of Erebor and Dale were slain and the Easterlings and other evil forces only broke in disarray after the Ring was destroyed.
@darthjesus7079 The main purpose of attacking the north was to prevent the dwarves, elves, and men from reinforcing Gondor. It also is why Sauron tasked Saruman with destroying Rohan. And when Saruman failed, Sauron sent another force to block Rohan from, again, reinforcing Gondor during the battle of Pelennor fields. But, thankfully, The Rohirrim was able to go around Saurons forces.
The reason that the Dwarves were fairly non offensive towards Sauron's influence is because of the One Ring, they remained mostly defensive because the Rings were immense temptations to their overall general greed and desire for earthly materials. The rings offered to them basically became a forewarning to them that their enemy was intelligent and very skilled, and that they had the means to influence them if they werent careful. The skepticism of the dwarves and their general distrust of outsiders is what saved them from the rings of power. Their distrust caused them to turn the gifts away rather than accept them, they anticipated an ulterior motive. It doesnt change the fact that the LoTR dwarves are greedy and selfish, but actually speaks volumes to it in the light Tolkien meant to portray on it. However, Gimli is meant to show the exceptions that do exist to the generalizations put forward. Gimli was immensely selfless and often ridiculed the ways of his own people because he saw the fault present, he tried to defend his peoples nature, but his nature was different from theirs.
Sauron’s attack plan is the same as the Separatists. They have the numbers so spread your enemy thin then deliver the final blow at Minas Tirith/ Coruscant
That wasn't the Separatists' plan... Darth Sidious never intended or planned for them to win. They were expendable tools to be cast away when he took over and dismantled the Republic.
In the books, the dwarves and the men of dale defends their home against the easterly while Aragorn and the gondorians March on the black gates and during the war of 3434 second age, the dwarves we’re supposed to be in that battle too against Sauron. Jackson underplayed the dwarves in lord of the rings was because they were not that important to the main story, until the Hobbits book.
I mean, Thranduil and Galadriel did the same. We don't see it, but late into LotR, Sauron also sends forces into their territories and/or nearby, and the elves push them back, tying up more of his resources. I think they actually come against them a few times, don't they? Someone who knows more than me, please correct me on this if I'm wrong. I think Partyking gets name dropped in the book, maybe? But not in the movies.
It wasn't that Sauron's forces were being tied up, but rather he prevented his enemies from massing together and help each other. Sauron didn't need the ring to win, his enemies needed to destroy it to defeat him
@@richardroopnarine870 absolutely correct... 💯 He was very well prepared to overwhelm ALL his enemies. Their *ONLY* hope was to cripple him by destroying that darn ring. You're approach to seeing it from Sauron's perspective is refreshing. He's thousands of years old ... to think 🤔 he was unprepared is ridiculous.
Yes, Thranduil basically kept his Kingdom closed but was still attacked resulting in woodland elves fighting orcs in their forest. Idk much about what happened at Lothlorien. But Sauron basically had all of the kingdoms near him at their throats to prevent them from teaming up. He attacked the Dwarves and Men forcing them to retreat until they reached Erebor, attacked the woodland elves, ordered Saruman to attack Rohan, retook osgiliath then later on started to siege Minas Tirith, had pirates to attack costal cities of Gondor ( to prevent them from aiding Minas Tirith). Overall if Frodo was unable to destroy the Ring then Sauron would have taken Middle Earth.
Most of the Easterlings, whom were Saurons most elite soldiers fought the dwarves and Elves with goblins and orcs. So yeah pretty much Sauron fought Gondor and Rohan with crappy orc soldiers aside from the Southron Harad, who brought the Oliphants.
Moranon Orcs were the best orcs he had at his disposal, plus regiments of armored trolls and the whole serpent horde ? Sounds just as much of an elite force as the easterling empire. Both complimented by crappy orcs soliders ^^
The host attacking Minis Tirith was made up of many different races who Sauron had at his Disposal, not just orcs Also a detachment of Easterlings did attempt to attack Rohan and the 6K left there to defend They uh They meet the forest and spears while good agaisnt calvary Do just agaisnt wood
@ralexy999 I mean Moranon orcs sure, but Easterlings, their armor, weaponry. Even their cavalry, cataphracts were just as deadly as Swan Knights and Rohirrim. Yes the Serpent Southrons but when comparing to the easterlings? They were probably Saurons best troops above the others not to mention Khamul the black easterling is one of the nazguls, second command and second to Witch King of Angmar.
Iirc in the books gimle (?) said dwarves don’t like to leave home, it’s not in their nature to stray so far. He was incredibly homesick the entire time but the fellowship slowly became his new home during their trek.
The Dwarves of the Blue Mountains could've been a big help. Maybe that's what Elrond was talking about. Plus, there were also populations of Dwarves further East than the Iron Hills, who are basically never really mentioned. It seems to me that, if Tolkien had lived another decade or so, he might've actually done something with these massive, neglected eastern lands, where he sent the Blue Wizards. Maybe it's the case, that, while Gandalf ended up having his own little Dwarf-adventure, maybe the Blue Wizards too, were thousands of miles to the East, instigating the actions of Dwarf populations that never got the chance to be mentioned. Maybe there were untold Armies of Easterlings, who never made it to the War with Gondor, thanks to the actions of these unwritten characters.
No, the dwarves got the 7 rings and basically burned all their bridges trying to amass enormous hordes until eventually 4 of them burned in dragon fire and Sauron took the other 3 all back in the Second Age.
Anyone know how long it took Frodo to destroy the ring? 11 months. 11 Mother fucking months! He traveled 1300 miles. Anyone know how long that takes? 18 days. 18 damn days. He dragged his giant feed every step of the way.
Who the hell walks 72 miles a day? Also, he was not doing a straight line. He also had to stop and lot of other things. He got to Mordor then had to go back. It is not that easy
@@catalintoma8337 There are many people who can walk 72 miles a day. The average walking pace for a person is about 20 minutes. That's 3 miles an hour or 72 miles a day. And I am aware that there were some "challenges", but 11 months is a bit much.
@@Gravedigger933sure, 3x24=72, but these aren’t robots. They have to eat and drink and rest occasionally. Even if they kept a steady pace for an entire 24 hours, they’re not going to be able to keep that up for weeks on end. If you’ve ever been hiking, a good pace is maybe ten miles a day, even 18-20 is a LOT of miles to cover in a day, and you won’t do it two days in a row.
I never read the books, but from what I assumed from the movies was that the majority of the dwarves were wiped out when they awoke the Balrogs and again when Smoug took their capital. There were so little of them after that they hardly left the Lonely Mountain out of fear, they would go extinct, and Gimli was sent out to help in the fellowship as they still believed that to be an important endeavor. Had no clue that they were fighting another portion of the army of Mordor, glad to know that though. Thanks for the info.
The dwarves didn't make it to the first War of the Ring because they were attacked first by Sauron. They lost all their settlements on the surface and underground East of the Misty Mountains exept Moria. There, under King Durin VI they managed to hold out and even prosper. Then, they came across the Balrogh and it was over in a day. The dwarves fled in two directions East and West. Those that fled east found the Lonely Mountain, those who fled West were taken in by king Elendil, who's kingdom of Arnor was there. They left the dwarves out, because of this. They were in no condition to gather an army.
And where was Thranduil in LOTR? Yeah, didnt see him either. Sauron had enough armies to conquer middle earth regardless of whether he had the ring or not. Ultimately if Erebor hadn't been besieged, then King Dain wouldnt have died and we would have had an epic dwarven charge to save Minas Tirith instead of Rohan.
And it's kind of truth, they were fighting on the Battle of Dale by the time, but that's because it was their trouble... The ones we see at the council were bringing intel about what was going on there and what should they do...
It is mentioned in the books (briefly) and in the appendix that the dwarves were fighting an army to the North. It's why Gandalf sent Thorin to regain Erebor in the first place because he was worried what would happen if Sauron got a hold of Smaug. They were also fighting with the Elves of Mirkwood which is why you don't see them either
I would like to know where your source is from this in the books. Now there is a line from Legolas during the battle for Helms deep, in the beginning before it began, where he said he feared war already was marching on the dwarves, but...I dont believe there was specifics on what exactly those forces were, how large, where, etc etc as you do in this video So it comes off as made up fanfiction
It's not fanfiction, i think it was mentioned in the appendix, if i remember correctly. Tolkien mentions how a large army of easterlings gathered in the north and attacked the men of Dale who retreated to Erebor. There, the dwarves and the men made a stand against Sauron's army at a bloody battle during which both the king of Dale and the dwarven king were slain. They won in the end after the news of Sauron's defeat reached the Easterling army and put them in disarray.
@@semlaliriad4270ah gotcha. Would enjoy seeing it more explore in the games and such, as that seems to be part of the war no one really delves into for some reason It's briefly brought up in Battle For Middle Earth II, but...its unclear on the timeline, more so comes off like it's talking about the first war of the ring rather than the third age war
Clearly this guy didn’t pay attention to the hobbit battle of the five armies. They no longer stayed at the lonely mountain they moved on. It was still the elves and other races that fought the forces of evil in the north.
what? during the war of the ring the dwarves did inhabit erebor. it was their main city along side colonies in the iron hills and some small pockets of dwarves in the ered luin although its debatable if the dwarves still lived in ered luin
The Hobbit occurred BEFORE the Lord of the rings. The battle of five armies in the Hobbit, was the last fight that saw the dwarves finally reclaim the lonely mountains, that they spent yrs rebuilding. Before saurons armies sieged it in the Lord of the rings.
@@jimmyjoyce3554I believe he is referring to the Dwarves moving on in the end of the battle, they would likely have headed for the Iron Hills to the east, where many of the dwarves would've lived and thrived. Also the other main king of the dwarves lived there. Book wise there was no source for the dwarves reinhabiting Erebor is what he's bringing up, and it's true. It was entirely uninhabited since Smaug, as shown in the movie with them being the only dwarves there. It is possible they came back during the 50 years or so, I believe it is between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, but just seemed a more up in the air question and assumption However, I have played most of the lord of the rings games, it's been awhile since I did War in the North, but I do like to count what they do story wise as canon, at least for the most part. The recent Shadow of War...probably less so
Don't blame Elrond, blame Peter Jackson, he's the one that changed the story and went with his own narrative rather than telling the tale as Tolkien intended.
The fact that they could really only afford to spare a handful of dwarves as representatives, and most of those were urgently needed back home asap should tell you they were busy. Only Gimli could/would stay to help.
Legolas did say that in the movies... when Gimli lamented that he wished he'd master a legion of dwarves to war, Legolas tells him, he fears war may already be upon them!
If you're wondering where all those Easterlings that Frodo hid from in front of the Black Gate went to, it's Erebor, Dain defended the lonely mountain against so many of Sauron's forces he died but not after smashing the entire northern army that Sauron has
I wish they would do another spinoff showing just the drawvin side of things. There is a lot of dwarvin lore and draw in houses that don’t get the recognition they deserve.
The Dwarves and the Men of Dane were basically holding down the entire Northern Front of the war. It's the reason Gandalf helped the Dwarves retake Erebor in The Hobbit. It gave them all somewhere to rally together and, in doing so, protected Rohan and Gondor from being hit from all sides. They war battling ENDLESS hordes of orcs the entire time that story is progressing.
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That wasn't even their biggest contribution. Sauron heard a rumor that his ring had come into the hands of someone named Baggins, and that this Baggins had interacted with the dwarves. Sauron sent emissaries to the Lonely Mountain, promising them all the remaining Dwarves Rings of Power in exchange for the location of Baggins. The dwarves told Sauron where he could stick it, then sent Gimli on a quest to find Bilbo and warn him. It was pure coincidence that Gimli encountered the Hobbits, and the Ring, in Rivendell.
Damn they are true heroes then
Where did you read about that?
@@Tesoro1996 “The Fellowship of the Ring”.
@@benfarrar741 Oh, I only listened to audiobooks, must've missed the part about dwarves. xD
Yes and their were two dwarves sent two messengers Glóin and his son, Gimli
"Other than the dwarves of Moria, we see few dwarves."
The dwarves in Moria: 💀
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Rest in Peace - Balin, son of Fundin: Lord of Moria…
To be fair, they're almost all in Erebor by that time.
@@DerpASherpa117for the house of durin yes but there are still other dwarf clans around
The Iron hill dwarves are another still quite strong clan
Elrond: they cared for nothing but themselves.
Dain: refused the dwarven rings and the Moria to protect a Hobbit he barely met.
same Dain who beheaded Azog
@@InspoDesigno this is the film continuity. Thorin killed Azog in the film continuity, compared to the original death of Azog in the novels.
@@Scar-Predator actually, I believe it’s the book continuity and the movie clips.
@@ArbiterofTruth you could be right. I've only watched The Hobbit trilogy by Peter Jackson (looking for an old 3d printed ring of mine before starting my LOTR trilogy watch), so I'm still a new fan.
@@Scar-Predatorjust to add here, its the same Dain we see in the Hobbit. Sadly he died on top of Bards grandson or i think great grandson. They were both in a last stand at the lonely mountain. If I remember correctly sauron sent orcs along with Harradrim troops to attack the Dwarves and Dale.
The dwarves were nearly annihilated in the war for the ring. They did their part. All free peoples did.
Yeah, it's kind of sad really.
No dont talk spin off , it simply wasnt in the script
Did you know theyre not actually real
@@shaunneary They were generally squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, bow-legged, with wide mouths and slant eyes, long arms, dark skin, and fangs. Cant be too far off from todays evil do-
ers?? Seems real to me 😂🤣😂
@@shaunneary???
Dwarves: *Getting besieged on all sides by innumerable servants of Sauron*
Elrond: "Dwarves hiding in their mountains instead of coming down here to help us."
Gimli: "I'm right here."
Elrond: "They care nothing for the troubles of others."
Gimli: "Look, let's just destroy the ring." *Axe explosion*
Elrond: "Greedy dwarves, just looking for riches."
Gimli: "Since I can't do it personally, I'll pledge my life to aiding the ring bearer so he can destroy the Ring."
Elrond: "Now where's my daughter? I need to rag on her about her boyfriend."
Hahahahah best comment lol
Elrond really isn’t like that in the book though. Rivendell was “the last homely house east of the sea”.
@@EricGasz69420 Oh, I know that- but it's funny in the explicit context of the movies.
@@morrigancollins2092 yeah it is, movie Elrond be like “the Dwarves?! Fuckem”
Haha i can just imagine that, elrond right talkin down to gimli,
The dwarves suffered probably more than any other race in middle earth. They were hunted by elves after their awakening, lost their holy birth place of gundabad to orcs, their capital of Khazad-dûm to an ancient balrog and their biggest treasure in erebor to a dragon.
Only a small group of outcasts were hunted by some elves
Wasn't that treasure recovered in the Hobbit though? Or was that a different mountain? If it's not a different mountain then they got their gold back it's all good.
I guess eventually they would have reclaimed Moria with Gandalf taking care of the balrog
And yet they keep going like the true Chads they are.
actually they left gundabad, let the orc filth take it in the first sacking of gundabad, some years after(many many years) they tried to reclaim it in the second sacking of gundabad, and guess what, they fucking left once again xD semi canon lore however says the 7th incarnation of durin took it back for good after the downfall of sauron, along with Moria, this has pieces of canon in it that's filled with most likely theories, and they got back the treasure in erebor after the battle of five armies
Legolas tells gimli right before they ride out with theoden to aid Gondor that “your kin may not have the need to ride out to war, they have war in their lands already”
Yea I recently saw all three films extended cuts in theaters and I had forgotten about that part until it played on screen
@@wangchung2157did you watched new remastered extended edition
@@MAD_SKULL_GAMING remastered? What does that mean, tell me friend.
@@MAD_SKULL_GAMINGplease tell me as well!
Elrond literally looks to leave middle earth, whilst the dwarves didn't rat out the ring bearer, tried to warn him, and damn near faced extinction rather than submit
He had seen enough I guess.. from 1st age to 3rd age, guy's been involved in wars, either fleeing or fighting.
He wanted retirement.
"Least honorable dwarf be like:"
I'd definitely leave that place too he's been around for a while
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Didn't Elves make any child lately? Why were they becoming extinct?
Dain of the Hobbit died in the assault by Sauron's forces before the gate of the Lonely Mountain while the Battle of the Pellenor fields was on.
And he died because he refused to abandon the fallen Brand, the lord of Dale. He fought to the bitter end because of loyalty and his friendship with a man.
Yes. :)@@GatoCarbonico
@@GatoCarbonicoDwarves are ride or die if they call you "friend"
Dain fell with bard the bowman's grandson which was dope
hahahahahaha nur das zwischen pellenor felder und erebor nur mal so ca 60jahre glaube liegen,bullshit wird hier gelabert aber sowas von
King Dain bellows loudly in the Halls of the lonely mountain hewing orcs from Gunbad and Easterlings of Rüin to his final breath.
*Gundabad and Rhûn
But yes, otherwise Dain BASED Ironfoot
Dont forget him fighting to his last protecting the body of the slain King Brand
That was the battle of Dale right?
Where did you read about that?
@@skywatcher6106 It's revealed in the Return Of The King book, he dies defending Dale and Bard's grandson's body against a horde of Orcs and Easterlings, but dies in the process.
The movies are great but they really miss just how much wild stuff was going on. Mirkwood had a major battle and the scouring of Dol Guldur, the Dwarves and Northmen were fighting the orcs and men of Rhun to the north, the southern fiefs of Gondor were dealing with the men of Umbar till aragorn showed up, also they entirely cut the Grey Company which was a group of Northern Dunedein who were the bodyguards of their Chieftan Aragorn. The books were wild. The saddest thing they cut was the battle for the shire to take it back from Sauruman (yes that happened).
Edit: PS excellent movies, but it's hard to adapt near perfect fantasy literature into movies.
If we were to adapt every single moment in the books it would take atleast 12 movies and I would love every second of that ahahah.
@@mattdaemontargaryen5256 We need a lotr Miniseries.
Those damn Sackville-Baggins traitors.
I first found out about the Battle of the Shire from the game Lotr: Conquest
Agreed but they could never include them in just 3 movies... A series would be great but instead we got woke shit like rop...
“Horsemen?! Hmmph. I wish I could muster a legion of dwarves, fully armed and filthy.”
“Your friends may have no need to ride to war. I fear war already marches on their own lands.”
- Legolas to Gimli, Return of the King extended edition
This make it sound that only the dwarves were keeping a lot of armies occupied.
While Gondor was being attacked, Lothlorien and mirkwood was under siege as well.
So basically Sauron's MASSIVE armies were split between gondor, lothlorien, mirkwood, and the lonely mountain.
Which makes it crazy when one realizes that what was at Pelennor was most likely a fraction of what Sauron's full host was. Even after all those defeats, Sauron still had a reserve army in Mordor that was ten thousand strong at the Least. Which would have probably been enough to finish off Minas Tirith if he would have thrown that army at them immediately after the defeat at Pelennor Fields.
Don't forget other battles as well
Cause I believe they did attempt attacks at other parts of northern middle earth but these were held back
Heck even the Eagles were dealing with things as well
The only reasonable aid that could come for anyone was the Rohirim and that was only because of the aid of the Hobbits
Without them
Condor would have fallen, and then every other place after
@@emperorkane317Pellenor fields was just an army of Minas Morgul. Mirkwood was attacked from Dol Guldur, Erebor and Dale from Gundabad and Rhun, Fiefdoms from Umbar, Rohan from Isengard and Dunland, Rivendell from Moria. The actual armies of Mordor weren't even on the march yet.
Shows why the fellowship was so important. I imagine if Sauron didn't want to attack piecemeal like he did. He knew the Ring was on the move, and it forced him to move before he could fully consolidate. Imagine if he had mustered his entire forces and defeated each realm in detail. None could have stopped that.
The ring being on the move, made him launch early.
@@drd675 The ring and Frodo's quest was really the only chance the free people got. They barely survived the first wave and knew the Last Alliance siege of Barad Dur couldn't be repeated.
The entirety of the War in the North is the reason the dwarves are not seen for most of the War of the Ring, since they're being besieged by easterlings and orcs of Gundabad for the whole adventure of Frodo and others.
Yeah but what about the Blue Mountain Dwarves? Never understood that part
Tolkien: during the second age, elves, men, and dwarves all allied together and fought at Mount doom to defeat Sauron. They also did this during the first Age. And during the third age they got invited to join Sauron and resisted, sent a warning to Rivendell to tell them Sauron is looking for the shire, and fought to the death defending their home from Sauron
Writers of the movies: dwarves are greedy and hide in their mountains doing absolutely nothing to help the fellowship
A convenient Hollywood way to edit the Dwarves and save space on the screen.....
@@michaelnash9970 i mean they were bot really in the books eighter
Ikr , Dain sought Elrond's council despite the animosity between them.
If I'm not mistaken, dwarves were also the most resistant of races when it came to the corruption of Morgoth. They also straight up couldn't be corrupted by the rings personally crafted by Sauron which were given to them. Even elves didn't hold a candle to them. Their only real weakness was greed. Scratch that and they were the unbreakable paragons of duty, loyalty, honour and major force of good in the Middle-Earth. Without them, dragons (their natural enemies and which they were the most suited to fight) would have been far, far more numerous, dangerous and created far more havoc
@@Aurilion44 very true. Dwarves deserve much more recognition than they get
It was Dain Ironfoot and the dwarves who fought the easterlings and orcs in the Lonely mountain for rejecting sauron's offer in exchange of the info about the one ring and fought side by side with Bard the bowman's grandson Brand king of the Dale.
And Dain died defending Brand's body
I would actually like a film about the war in that area. Thranduil in the forest, Dale and Erebor in the mountain. It would be a dope moment to see Rhun in action, as we only saw them marching to Mordor in the movies. You can add little remarks of where we are in the main movies from time to time. It is also a good place to let the imagination go, as we know little, other than the general parts of what happens.
Yeah that would honestly be great, it really sucks we don't get to see much of rhun.
But hey if you have the game Mount and Blade Warband there's a lord of the rings mod you can download that let's you play as any of the factions, very well made mod, I've put tons of hours into it lol
@@crusaderfiend7619 I have mount and blade in my to do list, what I've sink an ungodly amount of hours into is Divide and Conquer, one of the lord of the rings mods for Medieval 2, a great war of the ring experience!
A movie with lots of dwarves and easterlings? My two beloved races?
Were can I sign in?
Battle for Middle Earth 2 has it if you want! 😁
It’s not entirely Elrond’s fault for thinking this way. Elves and dwarfs have had some serious racial issues for a super long time. Like the races hated one another. Elrond is actually being pretty tolerant in comparison to many elves and dwarves. Think back to Gimli’s statements in the counsel of Elrond. It’s really Legolas and Gimli who heal the rift between their peoples. Also yea Galadriel and her kin fight a pretty massive battle in Mirkwood and in the northland. The Rangers are fighting orcs around the Shire continuously (while the hobbits had no idea why they were so safe) the Dwarves had a pretty massive army they were dealing with the lonely mountain and the Dwarves of the Iron hills. (Thorin Oakenshield’s cousin if you remember) Dain held their for a really long time. Balin is dead in Moria.
The hatred was mostly between the Dwarves and Sindar elves(Legolas). Not so much the Noldor elves(Elrond)
@@angelicthorn5062 the specific instigation was the Sindarian elves. But the hatred was still very prevalent between both sets of elves clearly. Elrond doesn’t even mention Dwarves as one of the free peoples of middle earth. But like I said he was definitely more Tolerant then most elves.
@@angelicthorn5062the noldor dont trust anyone. They are your typical high elves and other than elrond whos only half elven the rest are rude to dwarves and humans.
To Be fair Dwarves were present in the last alliance battles, all the way up to the battle where Sauron died.
Maybe they should do a movie on the dwarves last stand.
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@@johncastro7372 Build me an army worthy of Moria
@@gaynzz6841 that's alot of short people..
I been saying this for awhile now
Sauron was looking for a Baggins, the Dwarves were helping guard Bilbo
Not to mention Sauron offered them their old Rings of power and riches and Moria forever if they share what they know about hobbits and locate a simple ring they had, and the dwarves sent the messenger away and immediately sent Gloin to the elves.
It's funny how described in the book though, like the dwarves refuse Sauron when he sends a Ringwraith to parley, but not in a "Begone, wicked thing!" way, more in a "Yeeeeah, can we, uhh. Have some time to think about it? We'll, uhh. We'll get back to you on that." way.
Like it's a "Don't call us, we'll call you" rejection. XD
So you're saying the the dwarves... got sold short.
I mean… it’s hard not to look down on them, all things considered.
*Bilbo looked up to them though.
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haha 😂😂
SHORT????
NO ALLIANCE
Gimli is all Gondor needs. He one, man is an army of hundreds.
Gandalf comments near the end of the trilogy that if not for the dwarves and men fighting Sauron's northern armies there would possibly not have been a Rivendell or Lorian to return to. I think it is one of the Appendices.
Maybe - Tolkien did mention that only Sauron with the ring could beat Lorien. 1 million of mordor armies could march on it and they would still be beaten. Its a 300 on steroids type of situation.
Also the dwarves of the Lonely Mountain(/Iron Hills) did care about men…? They work closely with the people of Dale, n implicitly came in part due to Brand’s concerns. They participated throughout the battle from the beginning; it being both armies (and the population of Dale) being driven back to the Lonely mountain.
true! And when the King of Dale died in Battle, King Dain stood by his corpse defending it until he himself was slain. After that was when the Dwarves and Men retreated into Erebor. Then Thorin Stonehelm (Dain's son) and the Prince of Dale (Bard II) rallied their forces and sallied out defeating Sauron's army!
Dwarves getting their butts kicked at their own kingdoms
meanwhile
Elrond: where Dwarves, they do not aid us?
Just more proof that dwarves are absolute units and a people that you should definitely not mess with.
you forget the dwarves and the men of dale and the beornings and the elves of mirkwood were fighting the orcs and easterlings in the northern part of middle earth while the elves of lorthlorian were fighting the orcs from dol guldur according to the books and not from the movie
People who haven't read the books often don't know that Mordor was attacking everywhere simultaneously. The dwarves and Men of Dale in the north were fighting just as much as any other group. The war was so much bigger than what could be shown on screen.
The Dwarves of Erebor were real ones. Holding back an army of Sauron that very well couldve made a difference in the war had they beaten the Dwarves
Dwarves deserve a movie of their own
Dane Iron foot faught at the battle of the Lonely Mountain against Sauron's forces during the war of the rings. Correct me if I'm wrong but his famous last stand was enough to cause the dark armies to route.
Thank you for telling everyone that the Dwarves fought bravely in the War.
Sauron also sent armies to attack the Elves of Mirkwood and Lothlorien. Erebor was beseiged by a host of Easterlings. King Dain Ironfoot and his dwarves fought alongside the men of Dale. Mind you, all this happens around the same time. Saurons goal was to occupy the enemy in the north while he made his move against the men of Gondor and the ring bearer.
That is what's meant when it is stated that Sauron began his attack too early, before he was ready, after Pippin glared at the Palantir.
The plan was for the Northern armies to wipe out Dale/Erebor/Mirkwood/Lorien and then come south to combine with others and aid in the destruction of Gondor.
And they would have succeeded, both the Kings of Erebor and Dale were slain and the Easterlings and other evil forces only broke in disarray after the Ring was destroyed.
@darthjesus7079 The main purpose of attacking the north was to prevent the dwarves, elves, and men from reinforcing Gondor. It also is why Sauron tasked Saruman with destroying Rohan. And when Saruman failed, Sauron sent another force to block Rohan from, again, reinforcing Gondor during the battle of Pelennor fields. But, thankfully, The Rohirrim was able to go around Saurons forces.
Gloin kinda explains whats going on with the dwarves in the first book at the council
The reason that the Dwarves were fairly non offensive towards Sauron's influence is because of the One Ring, they remained mostly defensive because the Rings were immense temptations to their overall general greed and desire for earthly materials. The rings offered to them basically became a forewarning to them that their enemy was intelligent and very skilled, and that they had the means to influence them if they werent careful. The skepticism of the dwarves and their general distrust of outsiders is what saved them from the rings of power. Their distrust caused them to turn the gifts away rather than accept them, they anticipated an ulterior motive. It doesnt change the fact that the LoTR dwarves are greedy and selfish, but actually speaks volumes to it in the light Tolkien meant to portray on it. However, Gimli is meant to show the exceptions that do exist to the generalizations put forward. Gimli was immensely selfless and often ridiculed the ways of his own people because he saw the fault present, he tried to defend his peoples nature, but his nature was different from theirs.
*"ROCK AND STONE!"* Oh wait wrong story.
yeah in war in north there is a big fight in lonely mountains that Sauron against last dwarves
diggin' holes and drinkin' ale!
Sauron’s attack plan is the same as the Separatists. They have the numbers so spread your enemy thin then deliver the final blow at Minas Tirith/ Coruscant
And they also have Saruman (count dooku) as one of the leaders of the separatists who dies as the start of the third film of the trilogy
Unlike Sidious, though, he had dwarves to contend with and he got the "brilliant" idea to roll up on them.
“There’s only 1 Return, and it’s of the Jedi” -Randall, Clerks II
@@mikeljackson9192 I see you are a man of culture as well.
That wasn't the Separatists' plan... Darth Sidious never intended or planned for them to win. They were expendable tools to be cast away when he took over and dismantled the Republic.
In the books, the dwarves and the men of dale defends their home against the easterly while Aragorn and the gondorians March on the black gates and during the war of 3434 second age, the dwarves we’re supposed to be in that battle too against Sauron. Jackson underplayed the dwarves in lord of the rings was because they were not that important to the main story, until the Hobbits book.
there is also the fact that Dwarves participated in the War of the Last Alliance, they're not as careless as Elrond said.
Just the kind of nerdy thing i love
They never fought willingly. They fought because they had no choice-they were attacked.
Mr Anderson, you must destroy the ring. I can't bear this stench. Destroy it or I will destroy this prison or Whatever you want to call it!
Peter Jackson does not like dwarves -- he considers them just comic relief.
I mean, Thranduil and Galadriel did the same. We don't see it, but late into LotR, Sauron also sends forces into their territories and/or nearby, and the elves push them back, tying up more of his resources. I think they actually come against them a few times, don't they? Someone who knows more than me, please correct me on this if I'm wrong. I think Partyking gets name dropped in the book, maybe? But not in the movies.
You're absolutely 💯 correct.
Somehow, Elves are 'forced' into a 'defense' position but Dwarves 'chose' to 'hide'... 🤔
It wasn't that Sauron's forces were being tied up, but rather he prevented his enemies from massing together and help each other. Sauron didn't need the ring to win, his enemies needed to destroy it to defeat him
@@richardroopnarine870 absolutely correct... 💯
He was very well prepared to overwhelm ALL his enemies.
Their *ONLY* hope was to cripple him by destroying that darn ring. You're approach to seeing it from Sauron's perspective is refreshing. He's thousands of years old ... to think 🤔 he was unprepared is ridiculous.
Yes, Thranduil basically kept his Kingdom closed but was still attacked resulting in woodland elves fighting orcs in their forest. Idk much about what happened at Lothlorien. But Sauron basically had all of the kingdoms near him at their throats to prevent them from teaming up. He attacked the Dwarves and Men forcing them to retreat until they reached Erebor, attacked the woodland elves, ordered Saruman to attack Rohan, retook osgiliath then later on started to siege Minas Tirith, had pirates to attack costal cities of Gondor ( to prevent them from aiding Minas Tirith). Overall if Frodo was unable to destroy the Ring then Sauron would have taken Middle Earth.
The Dwarves in the War for the North saw more action. Where the Hobbit took place was where Humans, Elves and Dwarves united again.
Most of the Easterlings, whom were Saurons most elite soldiers fought the dwarves and Elves with goblins and orcs.
So yeah pretty much Sauron fought Gondor and Rohan with crappy orc soldiers aside from the Southron Harad, who brought the Oliphants.
Moranon Orcs were the best orcs he had at his disposal, plus regiments of armored trolls and the whole serpent horde ? Sounds just as much of an elite force as the easterling empire. Both complimented by crappy orcs soliders ^^
The host attacking Minis Tirith was made up of many different races who Sauron had at his Disposal, not just orcs
Also a detachment of Easterlings did attempt to attack Rohan and the 6K left there to defend
They uh
They meet the forest and spears while good agaisnt calvary
Do just agaisnt wood
@ralexy999 I mean Moranon orcs sure, but Easterlings, their armor, weaponry. Even their cavalry, cataphracts were just as deadly as Swan Knights and Rohirrim.
Yes the Serpent Southrons but when comparing to the easterlings? They were probably Saurons best troops above the others not to mention Khamul the black easterling is one of the nazguls, second command and second to Witch King of Angmar.
Come to think of it, Sauron made so many strategic blunders.
Goddamn watching this short makes me want to rewatch the triology for like the 8th time. This triology will always be a masterpiece for me.
Elrond was lucky he wasn't dealing with Warhammer Dwarves, or there would be a Grudgin!!!
Gotrek would have ended Sauron single handedly (maybe with a rememberer, timeline depending).
People who haven't read the LOTR books, only watched the moves, don't realize it was a World War not just various battles going on.
Where were the dwarves when the westfold fell?
It would of been nice if we got a movie on that battle
A dwarvish wild bunch would be a film I would watch
The War in the North game was fantastic. It was a great play, but also showed that the dwarves were attacked on all fronts in their mountains.
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Iirc in the books gimle (?) said dwarves don’t like to leave home, it’s not in their nature to stray so far. He was incredibly homesick the entire time but the fellowship slowly became his new home during their trek.
Dwarf is at war with lake man fighting on the north side.
The Dwarves of the Blue Mountains could've been a big help. Maybe that's what Elrond was talking about.
Plus, there were also populations of Dwarves further East than the Iron Hills, who are basically never really mentioned.
It seems to me that, if Tolkien had lived another decade or so, he might've actually done something with these massive, neglected eastern lands, where he sent the Blue Wizards.
Maybe it's the case, that, while Gandalf ended up having his own little Dwarf-adventure, maybe the Blue Wizards too, were thousands of miles to the East, instigating the actions of Dwarf populations that never got the chance to be mentioned. Maybe there were untold Armies of Easterlings, who never made it to the War with Gondor, thanks to the actions of these unwritten characters.
That's why I love Tolkein's world. He doesn't address everything which leaves it up to our imagination.
Nah, he did. The movies didn't. We know from Tolkien's writing that the dwarves were desperately defending against elite armies of Sauron.
Well he forgot about The Northern War of Dwarves
A movie about the fight of the dwarves during the campaign would be sick
I may be remembering wrong, or interpreting wrong, but didn’t everyone basically turn their back on the dwarves first?
No, the dwarves got the 7 rings and basically burned all their bridges trying to amass enormous hordes until eventually 4 of them burned in dragon fire and Sauron took the other 3 all back in the Second Age.
without dwarves we wouldn't have roaring fires, malt beer, pork meat straight off the bone
Anyone know how long it took Frodo to destroy the ring?
11 months. 11 Mother fucking months!
He traveled 1300 miles. Anyone know how long that takes? 18 days. 18 damn days.
He dragged his giant feed every step of the way.
Who the hell walks 72 miles a day? Also, he was not doing a straight line. He also had to stop and lot of other things. He got to Mordor then had to go back. It is not that easy
@@catalintoma8337 There are many people who can walk 72 miles a day. The average walking pace for a person is about 20 minutes. That's 3 miles an hour or 72 miles a day. And I am aware that there were some "challenges", but 11 months is a bit much.
@@Gravedigger933 in mountains????????
@@Gravedigger933sure, 3x24=72, but these aren’t robots. They have to eat and drink and rest occasionally. Even if they kept a steady pace for an entire 24 hours, they’re not going to be able to keep that up for weeks on end. If you’ve ever been hiking, a good pace is maybe ten miles a day, even 18-20 is a LOT of miles to cover in a day, and you won’t do it two days in a row.
@@garrisjones7476 Yeah, but 11 months is a really long time when the world it getting fucked.
I never read the books, but from what I assumed from the movies was that the majority of the dwarves were wiped out when they awoke the Balrogs and again when Smoug took their capital. There were so little of them after that they hardly left the Lonely Mountain out of fear, they would go extinct, and Gimli was sent out to help in the fellowship as they still believed that to be an important endeavor. Had no clue that they were fighting another portion of the army of Mordor, glad to know that though. Thanks for the info.
Where were the dwarves during WW1 and WW2?
The dwarves didn't make it to the first War of the Ring because they were attacked first by Sauron. They lost all their settlements on the surface and underground East of the Misty Mountains exept Moria. There, under King Durin VI they managed to hold out and even prosper. Then, they came across the Balrogh and it was over in a day. The dwarves fled in two directions East and West. Those that fled east found the Lonely Mountain, those who fled West were taken in by king Elendil, who's kingdom of Arnor was there. They left the dwarves out, because of this. They were in no condition to gather an army.
And where was Thranduil in LOTR? Yeah, didnt see him either. Sauron had enough armies to conquer middle earth regardless of whether he had the ring or not.
Ultimately if Erebor hadn't been besieged, then King Dain wouldnt have died and we would have had an epic dwarven charge to save Minas Tirith instead of Rohan.
Dwarfs- Thats going in the book elrond,you knife ear
Literally the quote in the book: “The dwarves? They hide in their mountains seeking richness, they care nothing for the troubles of others"
And it's kind of truth, they were fighting on the Battle of Dale by the time, but that's because it was their trouble... The ones we see at the council were bringing intel about what was going on there and what should they do...
Not like they had a choice in keeping them occupied, they were attacked and just trying to survive.
Probably digging holes
They hint at this in the movies.
"Your kinsmen may have no need to ride to war. I fear war already marches on their own lands."
Dwarves were the Russians of WWII
well dwarves didnt have a lunatic as their leader and didnt attack their ''allies'' unlike russia
Legolas said to Gimli that war is already in the land of dwarves.
It is mentioned in the books (briefly) and in the appendix that the dwarves were fighting an army to the North. It's why Gandalf sent Thorin to regain Erebor in the first place because he was worried what would happen if Sauron got a hold of Smaug. They were also fighting with the Elves of Mirkwood which is why you don't see them either
I would like to know where your source is from this in the books. Now there is a line from Legolas during the battle for Helms deep, in the beginning before it began, where he said he feared war already was marching on the dwarves, but...I dont believe there was specifics on what exactly those forces were, how large, where, etc etc as you do in this video
So it comes off as made up fanfiction
It's not fanfiction, i think it was mentioned in the appendix, if i remember correctly. Tolkien mentions how a large army of easterlings gathered in the north and attacked the men of Dale who retreated to Erebor.
There, the dwarves and the men made a stand against Sauron's army at a bloody battle during which both the king of Dale and the dwarven king were slain.
They won in the end after the news of Sauron's defeat reached the Easterling army and put them in disarray.
@@semlaliriad4270ah gotcha. Would enjoy seeing it more explore in the games and such, as that seems to be part of the war no one really delves into for some reason
It's briefly brought up in Battle For Middle Earth II, but...its unclear on the timeline, more so comes off like it's talking about the first war of the ring rather than the third age war
Dwarves were decimated in Moriah. Their entire race is close to extinction.
Honestly makes sense. In the Hobbit they outright said salron wanted the mountain for it's position, gold, and resources.
sauron cares about gold? i doubt it
Elrond: dwarves are useless they just hide and sit back lol
Also Elrond: *hides and sits back for 90% of the trilogy*
This seems like dwarf propaganda.
Based
Dwarves literally holding the northern theater of the war 💀
Ahhh back when story telling was more important that SJ bulletpoints
Bro that balrog literally eviscerated every dwarf in Moria single handedly, and he was skill gapped by Gandalf the fkn grey.
Clearly this guy didn’t pay attention to the hobbit battle of the five armies. They no longer stayed at the lonely mountain they moved on. It was still the elves and other races that fought the forces of evil in the north.
what? during the war of the ring the dwarves did inhabit erebor. it was their main city along side colonies in the iron hills and some small pockets of dwarves in the ered luin although its debatable if the dwarves still lived in ered luin
Are u stupid bro or did u only watch those garbage movies.
The Hobbit occurred BEFORE the Lord of the rings. The battle of five armies in the Hobbit, was the last fight that saw the dwarves finally reclaim the lonely mountains, that they spent yrs rebuilding. Before saurons armies sieged it in the Lord of the rings.
@@jimmyjoyce3554I believe he is referring to the Dwarves moving on in the end of the battle, they would likely have headed for the Iron Hills to the east, where many of the dwarves would've lived and thrived. Also the other main king of the dwarves lived there.
Book wise there was no source for the dwarves reinhabiting Erebor is what he's bringing up, and it's true. It was entirely uninhabited since Smaug, as shown in the movie with them being the only dwarves there.
It is possible they came back during the 50 years or so, I believe it is between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, but just seemed a more up in the air question and assumption
However, I have played most of the lord of the rings games, it's been awhile since I did War in the North, but I do like to count what they do story wise as canon, at least for the most part. The recent Shadow of War...probably less so
@@yodatheweeb its stated in the books the dwarves inhabited erebor during the war of the ring.
Don't blame Elrond, blame Peter Jackson, he's the one that changed the story and went with his own narrative rather than telling the tale as Tolkien intended.
The fact that they could really only afford to spare a handful of dwarves as representatives, and most of those were urgently needed back home asap should tell you they were busy. Only Gimli could/would stay to help.
That shows that Sauron saw the dwarves as enough of a threat that he sent an army to keep them occupied.
Sauron attacking the Dwarves while making a last stand at the Lonely Mountain. That would make an awesome movie
Legolas did say that in the movies... when Gimli lamented that he wished he'd master a legion of dwarves to war, Legolas tells him, he fears war may already be upon them!
Best start to a movie with a battle scene!
If you're wondering where all those Easterlings that Frodo hid from in front of the Black Gate went to, it's Erebor, Dain defended the lonely mountain against so many of Sauron's forces he died but not after smashing the entire northern army that Sauron has
the dwarves are so cool and I really wish that there was more of them in the films
I wish they would do another spinoff showing just the drawvin side of things. There is a lot of dwarvin lore and draw in houses that don’t get the recognition they deserve.
The Dwarves showed up for the battle of the 5 armies at The Lonely Mountain.
The Dwarves and the Men of Dane were basically holding down the entire Northern Front of the war. It's the reason Gandalf helped the Dwarves retake Erebor in The Hobbit. It gave them all somewhere to rally together and, in doing so, protected Rohan and Gondor from being hit from all sides. They war battling ENDLESS hordes of orcs the entire time that story is progressing.
Far out that bit with the elves lined up swinging their swords at the orcs looks so badass. They do not make movies like this anymore.