MJ vs LeBron This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago" •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 STRAIGHT scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did. All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career... And before you criticize me for copy and pasting just know that it doesn’t matter if it’s copied or not, truth is truth. Check Mate.
@@dlt2k7 - Hell yeah: Wins 2nd slam dunk contest, First NBA MVP, Defensive POY, 3.16spg(league leading), All-Star game MVP, plus avg. 36.3ppg playoffs (LeBron is talented, but WHAT?!?!?! Not even close).
LeBron overrated. He's in this deep in his career and hasn't developed a back to the basket game and he is terrified of "the moment." Couldn't even take advantage of Curry guarding him. Numbers lie.
babydickslick 😂😂 what in the entire fuck is a winning moment? Hahaha this is the first time I've ever heard of that shit. The nigga didn't have a winning moment when the moment mattered fuck boy. He's 15 years in dummy. I don't care about 33 years old. His go to move is the bull dozer and hope my layup goes in.
Kenneth Erickson I did watch him play I was about 9 when he was drafted all I’m trying to say sir is in my opinion Kareem is the greatest nba player to ever play
Lebron has one of the ugliest 1 on 1 games I have ever seen by an all time great player. No foot-work no go to moves and what you saw in game 4 was not only Lebron giving up but the GSW defense adjusting to the defensive scheme. Lebron was getting blocked by Durant, ripped by Iguodala and Draymond coming at the right time for the help. So when Lebron wasn't making his easy layups that he gets he didn't have the confidence to trust his own jumper which he has been apparently working on this season. Lebron did not want to tarnish his field goal % so in the end everybody would blame Love for shooting 40% & JR smith for shooting 30%. This game looked like Lebron was playing in 2007 mode against a great defensive team. A decade later Lebron hasn't changed his game other than the PEDs his taking... (allegedly).
Muhammad Jami The league been letting him get away wit it since he grew into his man body. But he had the nerve to cry about a blocking/offensive that went against him.
JERU You know he cries about every call so that didn't surprise me but I was amazed how the refs didn't help him like they did in round 1 against Indiana I thought the Cavs were gonna win a game and Lebron apologist would state that "he won a game against the greatest team ever". So i'm happy he got swept so we don't have to see the cavs trash ass for another game.
Muhammad Jami Even Judah was complaining,and he's known for telling players in these videos brother you have to do better cuz you have to beat LeBron and the refs
babydickslick -- Jordansexuals? Who mentioned jordan you LBJ tool. And FYI, Jordan earned all of his championships. Media didn't hype like today and people all saw his greatness. All we see with LBJ is his dominance of weak teams in the east and choking in the playoffs. And of course, the bitching and the excuses by him and his fans, lol. He claimed to break his hand, lol! Poor baby. But you mention Jordan? Keep making excuses - you kids are great at that, smh.
LeBron has not learned that he must relinquish power in order for the team to perform better. His egotistical need to control every aspect of the offense is ultimately what leads to the regression of his team mates as competent NBA players, and the frustrations of his team mates are made worse when LeBron refuses to commit defensively. Wilt learned too late in his career that less is more when you're so gifted.
Puck, long time no see remember talking to you on an undisputed live stream 2017 finals. You right Lebron was ducking KD these finals especially what happened last year game 3 except this year Lebron was lucky enough to not be included in the 35 foot bomb Kevin Durant delivered this year game 3. Lebron went from being top defender with his overrated chase down blocks to not even trying with his Wilt-like stat padding no winner head ass.
Puck, you hit it right on the nail, I have always said this, he is too much of an egomaniac to be unselfish, if he wasn't suck a narcissist, stat padding, selfloving player he would have probably had more rings!!!
Chris Huber Golden State makes Globetrotter shots from near half court consistently. There isn't a defense for that. Even a half court press/trap will fail because Durant and Green can get behind the press.
I’ve said for 8 years the worst job in the NBA is a LeBron James teammate...when you win the media says LeBron won by himself and when you lose those same players who had no bearing on the resulting win all of a sudden get 100% of the blame. LeBron has always ran a 4 low 1 high system with LeBron bulldozing to the rim for a layup or dunk and if he can’t make the layup or dunk he passes to someone at the 3 pointline and someone better make a 3 to get him an assist. I agree LeBron doesn’t want to play for a real legendary coach because he wouldn’t be allowed to control everything it’s why he ran away from Miami and Coach Spo/Riley
Adam- The Sports Guy that goes for any superstar. Look at how the media was on Peyton Manning's dick after Denver won the Superbowl, he threw for 112 yards.
spot on...Lebrons system just aint a winning game, specially against good team defense like GSW and Spurs..when he forces his way to the rim, he needs some good scorers like Wade Kyrie or snipers like korver, green or Allen..and he bulldoze his way in slow, clutch situations..hence his inability to close out like MIke, excluding the mental aspect..people like to call him a team player, making his teammates better..when in fact, his teammates always suffer and had to defer their game..he only plays in his own system, which is useless against top teams, in spite of having good coaches like spoelstra..and when he loses, teammates and coaches get the blame, but his uncoachability is never mentioned..it doesn't matter who Lebron has as his coach..and credit is taken away from MJ for having Phil as a coach, when he should be praised for his coachability, and buying into a system..Phil wasn't even much of a proven coach before MJ..the narrative that lebron is a team player and MJ a ballhog is utterly false and is almost the opposite..Lebron almost always has the ball 70% of the shot clock, either pullup, bully his way for a layup or dishout, while his teammates just watch, which takes away their feel or confidence..he is regarded as a willing passer becos he has the ball so much that even if he dishes out 50 % and shoot 50%, he would still be making a lot of passes..he has still not developed a proper go to move, or off the ball movement, which leads to his PGs and other teammates in an awkward situation..
@@charlesgreen3564 Jordan embraced Tex Winter's Triple Post Offense and Phil Jackson's philosophy and played under Doug Collins's Horns Sets Submit himself to the scrutiny of Chuck Daly, Bobby Knight and Dean Smith ...
Kobe played with Jordan Clarkston and Larry Nance. When they got to Cleavland they wore his numbers 8 and 24. I'm pretty sure he doesn't like LeBron calling and others calling them Trash.
mark ulquiorra Larry Nance stuffed himself on the rim and Clarkson shot an airball wide open from there free throw line are. They're bums. And this is coming from a Lakers fan. It's easy to look ok on shitty teams but under the lights they showed they're not that good. Decent backups at best but that ain't enough to win a championship sorry!
Jordan Clarkson first couple of games was lit. Lebron did not instill confidence in the players acquired in the Feb trade. Hood did not want to play with James. JR Smith and Kover is a better back court then Hill / Hood or Clarkson come on bro. They have not practice since February and that’s what you see when on the court. Isaiah Thomas dropped dime that the Cavs don’t do any form of practicing.
June 2009 Why did Wade ask Lebron if he knew that he was going to be traded? Wade wasn’t asking for a trade. Do you think they made the decision to trade Dwade without getting permission from Bron?
No, you said Wade wanted to go back to Miami. Dwade never asked to be traded, thats what I said. They came to him with a trade to Miami. My question to you is, do you think they would have Traded Wade without getting Lebron's blessing.
Bro only reason kobe didn't shoot in that game 7 vs the Suns it was because the media was complaining that the Kobe was shooting the ball too much. On a team with Kwame Brown Smush Parker Chris Mihms.
People seem to conveniently forget about that sorry ass team Kobe got to the playoffs.... KWAME BROWN, CHRIS MIHMS, SMUSH PARKER, SASHA VUBULLSHYT, I mean the list goes on. Luke Walton was trash
So you’re in Game 7 of the playoffs and you’re upset about the media critiquing your game so you decide to have an in-game temper tantrum? So much for the “Mamba” mentality.
John T. Washington damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he takes the shots he's selfish and a ball hog. If he passes the ball to these losers he's throwing a tantrum.. pick your poison
I’m gonna put it to rest, Michael Jordan never lost to the Dallas Mavericks in the finals and can you imagine Rodman guarding LeBron? He’s dry lucky he plays in this era.
Lebron didn't want any of that hot fire from KD. Lebron can dish it and talk trash when he's winning but when he's getting his ass beat he can't handle it.
FYI folks, this Finals wasn't the first time he gave up mentally. He's done it in almost every Finals when he's losing. He slumps his shoulders and gives up. And LBJ didn't play tougher teams. GSW may be great. But all the weakling teams in the East in the past 8 years that LBJ beat to get to GSW are not tougher teams. Jordan played almost twice as many 50 and 60 win teams in the playoffs as LBJ did.
He's probably top ten but the people putting him 1st or 2nd or even in the top 5 are out of their minds. There's no chance he's above bird kobe magic or Michael. And those are just the non big men. Kareem and Russell are definitely above him too and probably shaq and maybe hakeem and wilt.
This why I lowered LeBron. I have him top 10 now. Forget even the 3-6 record. This honestly like the 3rd time I've seen him quit. Very talented, great stats but plays like it's a one man sport. And when he's down big, he just gives up completely and it be obvious. And a lot that's said about him, isn't true. Ex: making players better, great leader & not a stat padder. And if someone brings up 3-1 debacle, please remember it took a suspended Draymond, Bogut being out games 5-7, and iggy and Steph playing hurt and Kyrie to come back.
Jahleel Sayers I knew Steph was hurt when he couldn't even shake Love. Iggy showed me he was hurt with certain movements he was doing in the game. Draymond being out gave Cavs all the momentum and Bogut, their rim protector, was out while it was happening. Kobe scored big points while hurt so that means he's not hurt? Just because someone screams something doesn't make it true 😂😂. Just watch the game. Anyone with one good eye at least could tell iggy & Steph weren't 100%.
The Draymond and Bogut excuses are so much garbage. A. It was Draymond own damn fault. and B. Draymond came back in Game 6 and the Lebron still dropped 40 on them. And it's hilarious you act like Bogut.was some important piece of the team. He was barely on the floor even when he was healthy. You want to see a REAL debacle? Look up game 6 of the 2002 WCF.
The truth is the world is so thirsty for another ultra super star like Michael Jordan that the fans and media today try to make Le’Bron that person. But it backfired because not only is MJ 100000x better then Le’Bron, but the #1 reason we as a world all loved MJ was because he had more heart and fire then any other person we ever seen. Lebron doesn’t have it and never did, hence why he will never be that person. But the world wants to have another mj that they kept trying to force it
funny how retarded kobe haters say he wasn't the best player on the Lakers, while Shaq himself says Kobe was. must be something in that least coast water that makes you all stupid and/or blind.
There was no comparison to Jordan at all, under any circumstance in any era. James is just an okay player; I wouldn't pay to watch him play, even in his prime, he's just another player to me. I never bought into the hype and I wanted him earlier in his career to just "take it" because it's right there... he didn't have it and doesn't.
babydickslick I know. Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Mourning, and Mutumbo were all trash and not hall of fame players. Rik Smits, Elden Campbell, and Divac were also garbage.
@babydickslick Shaq came into the league in '92 after 3 yrs of college ball dumb *ss boi and dominated from day 1...ur so stupid, I swear yunguns n they bs
True dat Guy, I totally agree. Kobe is in a higher class than LeBron cuz he's a killer. He is in top 15 for sure. People need to stop comparing LeBron to the real king, MJ. MJ is the greatest of all time and maybe forever.... Seriously.
Always pissed at Kobe for that Phoenix Series... but He’s better than Labron. 20 years on my Favorite Team. Willing to attack offensively for the whole game otherwise. Labron wants to make basketball plays. The Lakers didn’t need their superstar Kobe to make the right basketball play...they had Derek Fisher for that. Kobe played PG better than Labron. Labron’s just way more physically gifted than Kobe.
Kobe was on a different level than LeBron, remember kobe played in MJs era...and Kobe was a killer on the court, did Kobe ever just give up?! Nope, in fact LeBron has given up more than once...
@ChroniclesOfJudah 144 Kobe at 14th? I can't agree. He was a big part of the finals in 2000 on a swollen ankle scoring 28 in Game 4 and scoring 26 in Game 5 and hitting the series clinching shot over Reggie. And 01, 02, 09, 10 he was clearly a game changer in those finals. In 2010 he beat the big 4 with broken fingers and still had 23 points and 15 rebounds just as many as Pau. Yes he's the remix of Jordan and he's 5-2 in the finals no matter what happens. He's easily greater than Wilt, Bird, Jerry, and has more finals and rings than all 3 put together. Not to mention leadership, offense, defense, stats and championships. This is a top 3 player. Having him in your top 10 is a must. Regardless of how you feel bossman. But I agree with everything else you said.
June 2009 you think I give a damn about their list. These dudes who put these lists together are nothing but fan boys and statboys who don't know the game of basketball and can't gauge anyone's greatness outside of stats. This generation of sportswriters which ironically began in the same year Bron won 66 games and got his ass put out by the Orlando Magic lol when he was the favorite to win the title. So these fools ain't experts they fans. Real GM lmfao. Foh!
June 2009 man you compared Kobe to the Horry vs Jordan you have no respect for legends and the game of basketball. Question Big Homie how many titles did Shaq have before Kobe Bryant came to the Lakers 0 he got swept by Hakeem Olajuwon next how many playoff games did Pau Gasol win before he went to the Lakers 0 he was 0-12 in the playoffs. How many titles did Kobe win without Gasol 3 how many titles did he win without Shaq 2 how many titles combined did Gasol and Shaq win without Kobe 1 so cut the bullshit
If LBJ had heart, tougher mentality, greater leadership, greater team player, and better shooting ability he could've been top 5.... for example imagine LeBron if he had the mind state of a Kobe, KG, MJ of course... instead he's like a child throwing temper tantrums at his team and giving up in multiple finals appearances...
I saw the games, shaq and Kobe got eliminated from the playoffs their first 2 years together: So when they win Chips you give credits to just to Shaq?. Shaq had Penny, Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones, the 3 peat came once Kobe joined the Starting Line up.
The chips came once Phil took over. Kobe couldn't get another chip without Phil. Least Shaq got 1 without Phil. Not taking anything away from either player, but Phil plays a huge part in both Shaq and Kobe reachimg the zenith of their careers.
James Rimmer I think Judah put him in a koo spot. Shit where would u rank him. Cause there's a lot of players that's underrated like Wilt, Kareem or the big O. Personally I think Kareem is the best player of all time. But I barely hear people even bring him up SMH!
lol he's not even better than Duncan but got 10X the amount the hype than him. Kobe could play on or off ball but he's still very overrated. and overrated as a defender too.
TheCrunchySopa I know u ain't saying Duncan is better than kareem hahahaha. Am not even going to put kareem stats against Duncan. It's obvious y'all niggas don't have a good knowledge of basketball history or stats. So am going let others nigga argue with y'all
Kobe is one of the most overrated defenders of all-time. Even Kobe himself admitted he didn't deserve his last 5 all defensive team selections. Not to mention I still remember him getting starched for 60 by Gilbert Arenas AT THE STAPLES CENTER.
And James will make the Lakers self destruct. His ego is too big. And when he loses to the warriors .( or that kind of team. ) I dont see him leading them to the finals. Lakers are currently a 5th seed team. And when James loses again in the finals. He'll have one of his famous meltdowns. He'll bail to another team. Again I've said this before. " one player can not win a championship game. " unless that team that he is playing just quits playing. James doesn't have the killer instinct for destroying teams. jordan went for a team's heart. James will bail out on the Lakers when James realizes that he won't win the championship there.
As a die hard sixer fan I don’t want lebron in philly we built a great culture and if lebron comes all that goes out the window if he quit on Cleveland he’ll quit on us as well and this is what these teams need to realize this is what you’ll get for the next 4 to 5 seasons if you sign him
Same reason why I never wanted him on my Lakers team and now all my young core is gone except for Kuzma, but I'm riding with Anthony Davis as our future.
For me, the debate was over when the announcer said, " LeBron's ability to guard Jason Terry "......He was outplayed by a 33 yr old ROLE PLAYER, while supposedly hitting his prime.......
LBJ is a top 15 to 20 player of all time imo. It was hard to not associate quitting with LBJ. There should never be a debate again with LBJ and MJ. I never liked that narrative in the first place, and I am glad that people are slowly starting to say what most fans already knew. Soon KD has to be mentioned in this arguement about who is better overall out of the two.
Bro I love you channel you provide a philosophical break down to NBA and you speak the truth when it comes down to today's 'quote" superstars MJ, Magic, Kobe, Bird, Russell , Duncan , Olajuwon , Shaq, Iverson
I was fortunate enough to see Russell, Chamberlain, Baylor, West Jabbar and on up through Lebron in al of their primes. and I can honestly say that you absolutely nail Lebron on all points and his fanbase and the media(part of his fanbase also). I have listened to some of the greats of the 80's thru the 90's and the majority of them share most of your views I believe. I would like to add that you are more articulate and passionate about your views and opinions concerning Lebron, NBA teams and the media and the basics of how they operate than I have heard before. My hope is that you continue voice your opinions in the future. By the way, my choice for GOAT is Wilt Chamberlain(had to add that). The GOAT debate, in this case, doesn't even apply. Too many variables.
Also, when you are told that you are the 'King' starting in high school through present day..sooner or later you start to believe your own press. Narcissism at it's worst.
this video is almost 2 yrs old and even after the last dance espn and fs1 are pushing this goat narrative. Paul Pierce didn't put Lebron in his top 5 now they're attacking him
It should have never been in question that the greatest of all times garnered that level of respect. When all the records, accolades, achievements is a statement and testament of love commitment, and passion to the game of basketball. Michael Jordan is the standard bearer. He made the highest impact on the world, with his ability to elevate to another level where he and him alone is the greatest of all times.
Lebron played in a system in Miami so he can play in a system. The thing is does he want to play in a system? I believe that is why he left Miami to become a ball dominate stat stuffing machine. He needs a scorer/weapon like Kyrie to give his system any chance of working. He had good NBA players around him but they didn't or didn't want to play within what you call the Lebron system. A organization has to be strong enough and have a strong enough coach to make him buy into their system. The Cavs have no one that Lebron respects because they take a backseat to him. in Miami Pat Riley is running that organization and when he let Lebron know you just play don't worry about anything he got in his feelings and went back to Cleveland where they would let him do as he pleases. Hopefully these last two years has taught him all great players need a system.
I agree about your comment on Iggy. Some people have already forgotten he was finals MVP just a 2 years ago. And 2 years before that he was the primary option on his team. Ridiculous how much fire power the league can allow on one team.
So how is Lebron better than Kobe again ??? Apart from his off court issues or his injuries, on the court, he showed he was better. Eye ball test and stats show it. Offense and defensive skills, leadership, clutchness, determination, IQ, heart. Whether under Del Harris off the bench or Phil in both eras. Playoffs have shown it. Against tougher opposition on a consitent basis. Against the double teams. Time and time again he showed his ability to play within a system and play his role effectively. Play and win despite the injury or drama. He was not as efficient as Jordan and Kobe isnt the GOAT, but not better than Lebron?? Even at 33 years old, Kobe playing in his last playoff against Okc, the fight and heart he showed verse a superior team Lebron doesn't show. Or even as a 34 year old banged up Kobe, body betraying him, willing his dysfunctional injured team to the playoffs? Cmon now. Hate him for 1 Phoenix series but that doesnt define him. Players always pick Kobe.
Gick Djoud kobe was a least effecient version of jordan. Jordan read the defense better and was very profecient in making his move before the defensive help gets there so that he can take a better shot. Jordan also used the triangle system to his advantage so that he was in the right position to score or make a pass. kobe preferred to play iso ball and never really embraced the triangle offense which allowed the defense to be in better position to send help in containing him. Jordan also moved around when the ball is not on his hands to create better spacing for his teammates or to create a better shot for himself. Kobe tended to stand around the perimeter waiting to get the ball back.
Gick Djoud "you have to take itno account obstacles each one faced' Ok lets do that. Kobe-Traded to a 50+win playoff contender on draft day Jordan-Drafted by an absolute dumpster fire of a franchise. Kobe- Gifted with his first 2 playoff appearances riding the bench Jordan- Had to scratch fight and claw his way to his first playoff appearace in a conference that had Bird's Celtics Dr J's(then later Barkley's) Sixers, Isiah Thomas' Pistons Kobe- Got to play alongside a league MVP Jordan- NEVER got to play alongside a league MVP Kobe- Had a teammate average 38, 33, and 36 in consecutive finals. Jordan- Never had a teammate average even 20 in the Finals Kobe- Coached by a Phil Jackson who was already 6 rings in Jordan- Coached by Phil Jackson when he was a rookie head coach. Kobe- Had NO expectations on him until year 9 when Shaq left Jordan- Had the championship hopes and dreams of an entire city on his back since Day 1. Yeah it's really not even close. Kobe faced NO adversity in his career until at least year 7 when Colorado took place. Before that his career had been as blessed as it could be. Then even after Colorado Kobe had only 2 down years before the Lakers were contending again. This narrative that Kobe has faced SO much struggle in his career is 100% bullshit.
@@bobbyesteban6741 As much as I agree with Kobe being less efficient then Jordan, your reasoning later on got into explaining off ball movement doesnt fully take into account the differences in both their eras. It was illegal for defenses to play zone or double on players in Jordans era. Jordan was a beast because he played 1v1 and was great doing it. Kobe did too but Kobe would collapse the defense against zones by luring doubles all the time. Thats why he always flourished and won when he had capable and reliable centers and/or power forwards. Also, idk why you said Kobe stood around waiting for the ball. Kobe frequently respected the triangle, matter fact, Phil would consistently use the triangle to create screens for Kobe to eventually get the ball and score or confuse the defense. Kobe trusted his teammates, contrary to popular belief. Especially when he had a guard or forward like Odom, Fisher, Gasol who could be ball dominant, score or run the point while Kobe would run around screens. Example, what Lebron does by passing the ball to a moving shooter who could quickly catch and shoot while moving and using screens to get an open shot... Kobe would do, except he was the shooter in the scenerio, not the facilitator. But those were all sets the coach ran. I'm not trying to say Kobe was better than Jordan, just simply the point you made wasnt right and your point is commonly said by people who are biased and dislike Kobe.
There's really no reasonable case one can make to keep Kobe out of the top 10. Big O was great but no. 2 finals appearances alongside Kareem doesn't put him over Kobe, wtf Judah lol. Hakeem might be a better basketball player but it would be marginal if at all. However Kobe's resume and career clearly trumps Hakeem and makes up for any marginal difference in talent level. Jerry West...no mvps, 1-8 in the finals, no. You can rank Kobe as high as #6 all time and as low as #10 depending on what you value. But #14??. Lmao, no sir...allegedly.
Dan McCutcheon 1-michael jordan 2-kareem abdul jabbar 3-magic johnson 4-bill russell 5-larry bird 6-lebron 7-wilt chamberlain 8-shaq 9-tim duncan 10-hakeem olajuwon
Ahmad Abdo nobody in that 2000's era shot over 45%. Not Iverson, T-Mac, Carter, or any other elite level backcourt player. Isiah Thomas didn't shoot %50 either & COJ doesn't criticize him as much as Kobe.
Steve Ibrahim Tony Allen was 6 times all defense and he had 3/4 hof players on his squad. Pistons had some of the best defenders in their positions and played team ball Kobe never counted himself out or claimed to b out matched he would say they didn't execute not make excuses. And he played thru injury his whole career, played against some of the best defenders of all time even gave Jordan hella buckets as a rookie.
Thank you for finally seeing the light my brother! How could someone be great when they can only play in one system and they do not play defense? Great players can be implemented and any system and be successful like a Kevin Durant like a Davis from the Pelicans but thank you for finally understanding that this man is not worthy of a top-five and debatable top-10
Point to a game or series where Kobe was scared...i can give at least 2 series where lebron was scares of the moment...Kobe better defender better scorer more rings
babydickslick nah Kobe stop shooting to prove a point to Phil Jackson...lebron scared...he can throw all these fancy off the glass gamewinners when he's playing the pacers and raptors...but when he's in the finals with the game on the line he's looking to pass the ball to George hill n Kyle korver lol I know those guys say to themselves wtf is up with this guy
babydickslick yeah I'd rather have Kobe mentality on my team win or lose brick or swish...i don't want my best player scared in the clutch looking to pass the ball to Kyle korver and George hill...im taking kobe
babydickslick yup just like lebron piggybacked on dwade bosh and ray Allen...and I rather get swept like Kobe then freeze up and choke like lebron did lol...shutdown and outscored by Jason Terry ... 8 pts smh...mamba mentality had Kobe waiting for lebron in the finals...but lebron lost to the Dwight Howard and nobody magic team lol
babydickslick yeah I'm looking at Kobe 2011 roster and trying to find dwade and bosh on there lol I rather get swept than have dwade and Chris bosh on my team and lose to dirk and nobody lol worst choke in sports history ...period ...you little lebron kids are hilarious
All you have to do is watch Jordan's highlights compared to his highlights and it become obvious....Jordan was magic..Labron is a beast..but he doaent have the eye like Jordan...Kobe had it right..just be like Mike...He also played when teams actually played defense...Could you imagine LeBron against the Pat Riley Knicks in a seven game series?...then???......NOPE!!!!! Or Detroit with Rasheed and company????.....NOPE!!!.....or a lot of those teams they wouldn't measure up against and I dont remember Jordan ever giving up???
Ppl are gonna have to acquiesce & admit this. Especially now that Kobe is feeling disrespected & starting to speak out. Kobe had the real NBA Finals in the Western conference for too many yrs.
LeBron was speaking highly of Durant after Game 3 in order to push the narrative ESPN wanted to justify giving the FMVP to Durant over Curry. Never forget where the Nike allegiances are: LeBron, ESPN, Durant, and Iguodala
Skip Bayless and I believe many others would disagree that LeBron hasn't done anything recently as bad as Kobe's 2006 Game 7 tantrum. How would you describe LeBron's performance in the OT of Game 1 in the Finals? What's the difference? Did he not throw a tantrum on the sideline and then simply go through the motions on the court? Also, I think it's safe to say that LeBron James has surpassed Kobe as the most overrated superstar in NBA history. From his inception into the NBA, the media have tried (and failed) to convince the masses that he's the greatest player to lace up a pair of sneakers since Jordan. Refs aside in Game 1, there's no reason LeBron James shouldn't have pulled it together and found a way to complete the steal of Game 1. Period. As LeShannon Sharpe applies to every superstar except LeBron James "If he's THAT guy..." I actually agree with you that Kobe belongs just outside of the top 10 but I can't understand how you still have LeBron in the top 10 after your breakdown of LeBron's finals performances and all the flaws associated with him. Seems a bit hypocritical. Because he influenced the Free Agency paradigm in the NBA? You yourself have said that that is what will be LeBron's legacy. Along with his underachievements of course. Agree to disagree but eye test says Kobe is better. Despite the stats saying otherwise. Peace.
I think what we can all agree on is being ,for lack of a better term one dimensional(can only play in one selfish system)yet having amazing stats doesnt make for consideration in the goat conversation. Theres too many intangibles that don't translate to a stat sheet that set the greatEST players apart from just the great ones. Lebron just simply doesnt possess alot of those intangibles and we all know it. The tragedy of it all is that LeBron might just go down as one of those incredibly rare talents that accomplished some good things but his own ego hindered his ability to do so much more throughout his career. By not simply giving up some control and trusting proven systems, coaches, and teammates hes effectively cost himself alot more than few wins.
iamstevenallen_ it's not his fault his teammates were shit he dominated his matchup every year what else do you want him to do lol is Jerry west trash because he lost over and over again to bill?
iamstevenallen_ Funny how you justified your biased opinion on one of the most athletic player that averaged sky high points and rebounds with the idea of not producing as much as he should be in the playoff while you blindly picked LeBron James who is currently holding 9 final loses at the top 5 .
I think the term overrated is a bit of a overstatement when it comes to Kobe. Clearly, you don't understand the circumstances that occurred in that series. Kobe dropped 50 on game 6 and almost won the game by himself and was highly criticized for shooting the ball a lot by the media. Yes, he only attempted 2 shots in game 7 but the way I look at it is this, how come it took Phoenix 7 games to beat a depleted Lakers team that only had 1 superstar? Even if Kobe had beaten the Phoenix Suns, you still wouldn't give him his props and at best you probably would still have him outside the top 10. Allegedly!
I got Jordan #1 all time...... I got Lebron around #8 all time approximately. I have Kobe around #15 all time approximately I am one of the few people who feels Olajuwon was incredible.................. If I have the first pick in the NBA draft and I have to choose between Lebron or Olajuwon, I take Hakeem!
Vagabond_Charlie I can get to 12 I can easily make an argument for. 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. Russell 4. Magic 5. Bird 6. Lebron 7.Wilt 8.Hakeem 9.Duncan 10. Shaq 11. Oscar Robertson 12. Dr J.
No respectable unbiased knowledgeable NBA fan would waste anybody's time with your hypothetical question. No offense. You can put at the very least 10-15 all time greats other than Lebron vs Hakeem for the first pick in the draft...and it would be a much more difficult decision. Kareem or Hakeem? Now thats a debate. Wilt or Hakeem? That's a debate. Lebron vs Hakeem? Thats Special Olympics vs Real Olympics.
This Finals for LeBron's legacy is reminiscent of the Finals for Curry in 2016. LeBron had more to lose, but both those players were on the cusp of having their legacies (even more) greatly magnified if they would've won those respective Finals. The media slightly turned on Steph after 2016. I am curious to see the conversation around LeBron post-summer 2018.
I have been a coach for youth teams in higher leagues for many years. What we saw in the big screen with lebron is something i've often seen with super talented kids in the little picture. Young boys, undeveloped, not neccessarily the strongest, most mature character, get praised excessively and lose ground contact. They frequently stop working hard on their game, dont really improve their weaknesses but work on showboating things like dunks and fancy dribble moves. When they fail or lose, its neccessarily their teams fault because you know they are so talented it cant be THEIR fault, right? They make sure to get their stats, they get all cocky on wins, but will quit early and sit on the bench when they feel the game is going down hill. I could go on and on with analogies but the key message is, i am not surprised by the failure LeBron has become (relatively to the expectations, of course) but by the fact that the whole industry STILL hypes him publicly like he was the savior of basketball. Off camera we all know theres little respect for him as a player or person and once his career will be over you will hear and read a lot about that.
I think Bron should be somewhere between 9 or 10. Kareem, Russell, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Wilt, Shaq, and Kobe are all ahead of him. Although many argue that Bron is greater than Kobe so that’s why I say anywhere from #9 or #10 for LBJ.
Could you imagine LeBron playing for the Spurs coached by Becky Hammond? The liberal media's head would be on a swivel, they wouldn't know whose side to take (although we know that hierarchy, so it would be prudent for LeBron to not yell at Hammond the way he does his other coaches. The media would turn on him with the quickness.) I don't see Popovich deciding to stay 4 more years, so if LeBron signs a 4 year deal with the Spurs, then it is very possible that he is eventually coached by Becky Hammond.
dudewat212 but here's my thing lebron is going to bump heads with his future coach look at Miami leaving spolestra damn near causing Tyron lue a heart attack.He will cuss that coach out lol. But I agree with you cuz if he is seen cussing her out the liberal sports media will give him a look of reproach just as much they lauded him over his female coach comment but we will see. I read a headline not the article though about how Popovich will try to force a meeting with his team
dudewat212 absolutely especially since we are in the age of women being worship at an all time high..... I personally feel like if Hammond goes 500 her first year she's going to receive so much praise as a coach on thr rise smh.
Bledsoe was wanted because Bledsoe was never gonna be a threat to LeBron’s throne. Don’t think that LeBron didn’t get tired of hearing Kyrie hit the shot to win the 2016 Finals.
I agreed until you brought up the suns series in '06. That's one series where that happened and it didn't happen again. Can't stand when people bring that up and say that's what he's not the goat
With all the things you’ve said in this video Juddah, how could you still possibly think that Lebron is better than KD at this point of their career? It’s clear as day to me. Durant is far more skilled and plays better on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Durant is the best player in the league and he deserves that title until further notice.
Roger Raymond at how many attempts though? The thing that separates Jordan from Kobe, AI, VC, Tmac, PP is his fg%. Thats why he was able to get away with “Hero Balling”
How can ignorance of medoracy be so powerful? "GOAT" means one who have done what no one else have done in his/her skill set before, is that a fair meaning of the subject? Lets look at the things LeBron James Have done in his career. He packed out stadiums across the country while in high school, no one has ever done that, ok I give him that. He went to the NBA from high school, been done! He could not get his team up and moving in Cleveland, so he went to Miami with Dwayne Wade, already a champion there, so in hind sight he was train by Mr Wade, ok no one has done that! Moving on, he was like a college kid that went off to school, got some training and came back home with fire and zeal of a champion and won a championship. The next year the air was knock out of him, why because he had no foundation as a champion. He got swept in the championship game. Now I am not going to rehash Mr. Jordan's career in the NBA, because you know it. It takes strong mental power to become a champion, it takes super strong mental power to become , a champion, a champion, a champion...took a break, came back, a champion, a champion, a champion! Now numbers do not lie, there was 29 teams in the NBA when MR. Jordan was playing....29 x3 = 89 teams to beat to be champion . Came back and put up the same numbers 29x3 = 89 teams again to be champion. 89x2 =176 teams to be a champion, He went against the law of averages, defied gravity, and the odds. His man name is mention by Dr. Denis Waitley as he describes the talent of Mr Jordan in the psychology of winning as "the art of visualization" as he mention other great names along side him. Mohammad Ali and Bruce Lee had that art in their craft This statement is for Magic Johnson, who said.." I don't know what it was about him" there is your answer Magic. I want to give you a metaphor: Lets take the complete NBA cast of the Michael error out of the decades of the 80's and 90's we are going to place the talent Of LeBron James error into the 80's and 90's. Would they have beat Magic, Byrd, The Bad Boys and all the other teams that had a very high possibility of being champions, but was stop because of Mr Jordan. Now all of this is how i see it factually, But what i truly accept is the wisdom of Mr. jordan, who did not accept that honor and gave the reason why. Greatness to me is what comes out of man and it reflects in the results of his works, what makes it powerful is the humility, decency and respect that he covers it with. J Rose, you have great basket ball vision, keep it up!!!
Idk how ppl would even compare Lebron to MJ...Lebron been to the finals what 9 times n won 3 n he suppose to b the best on the planet...smh...The League is weak asf since he been here.....Durant better then Lebron ...KOBE IS WAY BETTER!.....LEBRON N THE TOP 20 not no 5 or 10
This is one of the best videos on the web today regarding how bad Lebron and his team perform on the court. It is sad and embarrassing to listen to all these people try to defend the crap we have witnessed the last couple of years.
MJ vs LeBron
This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more help
•Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals..
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
All of this accomplished in 13 seasons
Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago"
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 STRAIGHT scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did.
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career...
And before you criticize me for copy and pasting just know that it doesn’t matter if it’s copied or not, truth is truth.
Check Mate.
True shit baby....... His Airness, G.O.A.T
AMEN..AMEN....AAAAAMEN!!!!
Word!!
Yahchanan Ben Yahuda Jordan didn't win MVP in '89, that was '88 along with the myriad of awards and accomplishments and averaging 35 ppg.
@@dlt2k7 - Hell yeah: Wins 2nd slam dunk contest, First NBA MVP, Defensive POY, 3.16spg(league leading), All-Star game MVP, plus avg. 36.3ppg playoffs (LeBron is talented, but WHAT?!?!?! Not even close).
LeBron overrated. He's in this deep in his career and hasn't developed a back to the basket game and he is terrified of "the moment." Couldn't even take advantage of Curry guarding him. Numbers lie.
babydickslick 😂😂 what in the entire fuck is a winning moment? Hahaha this is the first time I've ever heard of that shit. The nigga didn't have a winning moment when the moment mattered fuck boy. He's 15 years in dummy. I don't care about 33 years old. His go to move is the bull dozer and hope my layup goes in.
La'Taurus Harrison it’s not a back to the basket league anymore.
La'Taurus Harrison yes they do pat them stats so they can talk about him
La'Taurus Harrison yes I totally agree with you!
babydickslick that’s your argument .really
You’re right about the MJ vs Lebron GOAT debate. LBJ fans are repeating that hot garbage everyday
Bronsexuals gonna have to accept the fact that MJ is the Greatest
Jko Taylor it’s Kareem
Kenneth Erickson John Havlicek went 8-0 in the finals he was a shooting guard as well
Kenneth Erickson I did watch him play I was about 9 when he was drafted all I’m trying to say sir is in my opinion Kareem is the greatest nba player to ever play
Kenneth Erickson my top 5 is Lebron Kobe magic Jordan and Kareem
Lebron has one of the ugliest 1 on 1 games I have ever seen by an all time great player. No foot-work no go to moves and what you saw in game 4 was not only Lebron giving up but the GSW defense adjusting to the defensive scheme. Lebron was getting blocked by Durant, ripped by Iguodala and Draymond coming at the right time for the help. So when Lebron wasn't making his easy layups that he gets he didn't have the confidence to trust his own jumper which he has been apparently working on this season. Lebron did not want to tarnish his field goal % so in the end everybody would blame Love for shooting 40% & JR smith for shooting 30%.
This game looked like Lebron was playing in 2007 mode against a great defensive team. A decade later Lebron hasn't changed his game other than the PEDs his taking... (allegedly).
Muhammad Jami No disrespect that man like that his go to move is lowering his shoulder
JERU Yeah and that was sooooo effective game 4, lol.
Muhammad Jami The league been letting him get away wit it since he grew into his man body. But he had the nerve to cry about a blocking/offensive that went against him.
JERU You know he cries about every call so that didn't surprise me but I was amazed how the refs didn't help him like they did in round 1 against Indiana I thought the Cavs were gonna win a game and Lebron apologist would state that "he won a game against the greatest team ever".
So i'm happy he got swept so we don't have to see the cavs trash ass for another game.
Muhammad Jami Even Judah was complaining,and he's known for telling players in these videos brother you have to do better cuz you have to beat LeBron and the refs
“He grows one hair follicle every time he breaks a Jordan record” 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao!! That shit was too funny!
Elias is friends with him going to a spot light City like LA
The NDstructible1 Elias can't come up wit any stats that he can break in LA with their tradition of players
What does WWE stand for who Wants to Walk with Elias
Brilliant 🤣🤣🤣
Shannon and Nick were as pathetic as expected the Monday morning after the Finals.
Kenro200x Ikr, simpin' for another DUDE!
Kenro200x you knew the FS1 groupies were going to cape for their hero
babydickslick -- Jordansexuals? Who mentioned jordan you LBJ tool.
And FYI, Jordan earned all of his championships. Media didn't hype like today and people all saw his greatness.
All we see with LBJ is his dominance of weak teams in the east and choking in the playoffs. And of course, the bitching and the excuses by him and his fans, lol. He claimed to break his hand, lol! Poor baby. But you mention Jordan? Keep making excuses - you kids are great at that, smh.
babydickslick just started watching NBA did you now?
babydickslick truth hurts doesnt it, boy?
LeBron has not learned that he must relinquish power in order for the team to perform better. His egotistical need to control every aspect of the offense is ultimately what leads to the regression of his team mates as competent NBA players, and the frustrations of his team mates are made worse when LeBron refuses to commit defensively. Wilt learned too late in his career that less is more when you're so gifted.
Puck, long time no see remember talking to you on an undisputed live stream 2017 finals.
You right Lebron was ducking KD these finals especially what happened last year game 3 except this year Lebron was lucky enough to not be included in the 35 foot bomb Kevin Durant delivered this year game 3. Lebron went from being top defender with his overrated chase down blocks to not even trying with his Wilt-like stat padding no winner head ass.
Puck very well put!
Puck, you hit it right on the nail, I have always said this, he is too much of an egomaniac to be unselfish, if he wasn't suck a narcissist, stat padding, selfloving player he would have probably had more rings!!!
MJ is the epitome of a basketball player
Servant of Israel Jordan would of lost to Golden State
baddheaddCASE no. You know very little about basketball to say that
baddheaddCASE defense trumps offense. Noone plays defense anymore
babydickslick you obviously are a kid.
Chris Huber Golden State makes Globetrotter shots from near half court consistently. There isn't a defense for that. Even a half court press/trap will fail because Durant and Green can get behind the press.
I’ve said for 8 years the worst job in the NBA is a LeBron James teammate...when you win the media says LeBron won by himself and when you lose those same players who had no bearing on the resulting win all of a sudden get 100% of the blame. LeBron has always ran a 4 low 1 high system with LeBron bulldozing to the rim for a layup or dunk and if he can’t make the layup or dunk he passes to someone at the 3 pointline and someone better make a 3 to get him an assist. I agree LeBron doesn’t want to play for a real legendary coach because he wouldn’t be allowed to control everything it’s why he ran away from Miami and Coach Spo/Riley
Adam- The Sports Guy that goes for any superstar. Look at how the media was on Peyton Manning's dick after Denver won the Superbowl, he threw for 112 yards.
You are so right, Michael Jordan made those shots!!
spot on...Lebrons system just aint a winning game, specially against good team defense like GSW and Spurs..when he forces his way to the rim, he needs some good scorers like Wade Kyrie or snipers like korver, green or Allen..and he bulldoze his way in slow, clutch situations..hence his inability to close out like MIke, excluding the mental aspect..people like to call him a team player, making his teammates better..when in fact, his teammates always suffer and had to defer their game..he only plays in his own system, which is useless against top teams, in spite of having good coaches like spoelstra..and when he loses, teammates and coaches get the blame, but his uncoachability is never mentioned..it doesn't matter who Lebron has as his coach..and credit is taken away from MJ for having Phil as a coach, when he should be praised for his coachability, and buying into a system..Phil wasn't even much of a proven coach before MJ..the narrative that lebron is a team player and MJ a ballhog is utterly false and is almost the opposite..Lebron almost always has the ball 70% of the shot clock, either pullup, bully his way for a layup or dishout, while his teammates just watch, which takes away their feel or confidence..he is regarded as a willing passer becos he has the ball so much that even if he dishes out 50 % and shoot 50%, he would still be making a lot of passes..he has still not developed a proper go to move, or off the ball movement, which leads to his PGs and other teammates in an awkward situation..
@@charlesgreen3564
Jordan embraced Tex Winter's Triple Post Offense and Phil Jackson's philosophy and played under Doug Collins's Horns Sets
Submit himself to the scrutiny of Chuck Daly, Bobby Knight and Dean Smith ...
💯💯
Kobe played with Jordan Clarkston and Larry Nance. When they got to Cleavland they wore his numbers 8 and 24. I'm pretty sure he doesn't like LeBron calling and others calling them Trash.
mark ulquiorra Larry Nance stuffed himself on the rim and Clarkson shot an airball wide open from there free throw line are. They're bums. And this is coming from a Lakers fan. It's easy to look ok on shitty teams but under the lights they showed they're not that good. Decent backups at best but that ain't enough to win a championship sorry!
Jordan Clarkson first couple of games was lit. Lebron did not instill confidence in the players acquired in the Feb trade. Hood did not want to play with James. JR Smith and Kover is a better back court then Hill / Hood or Clarkson come on bro. They have not practice since February and that’s what you see when on the court. Isaiah Thomas dropped dime that the Cavs don’t do any form of practicing.
June 2009 LeBron traded away his Best Friend. He doesn't stand up for anyone.
June 2009 Why did Wade ask Lebron if he knew that he was going to be traded? Wade wasn’t asking for a trade. Do you think they made the decision to trade Dwade without getting permission from Bron?
No, you said Wade wanted to go back to Miami. Dwade never asked to be traded, thats what I said. They came to him with a trade to Miami. My question to you is, do you think they would have Traded Wade without getting Lebron's blessing.
Bro only reason kobe didn't shoot in that game 7 vs the Suns it was because the media was complaining that the Kobe was shooting the ball too much. On a team with Kwame Brown Smush Parker Chris Mihms.
Bobo MaTic AGREED!!!!!!!! I was just about to type that LMAO
He still had 24 points.
People seem to conveniently forget about that sorry ass team Kobe got to the playoffs.... KWAME BROWN, CHRIS MIHMS, SMUSH PARKER, SASHA VUBULLSHYT, I mean the list goes on. Luke Walton was trash
So you’re in Game 7 of the playoffs and you’re upset about the media critiquing your game so you decide to have an in-game temper tantrum? So much for the “Mamba” mentality.
John T. Washington damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he takes the shots he's selfish and a ball hog. If he passes the ball to these losers he's throwing a tantrum.. pick your poison
I’m gonna put it to rest, Michael Jordan never lost to the Dallas Mavericks in the finals and can you imagine Rodman guarding LeBron? He’s dry lucky he plays in this era.
Lebron didn't want any of that hot fire from KD. Lebron can dish it and talk trash when he's winning but when he's getting his ass beat he can't handle it.
FYI folks, this Finals wasn't the first time he gave up mentally. He's done it in almost every Finals when he's losing. He slumps his shoulders and gives up.
And LBJ didn't play tougher teams. GSW may be great. But all the weakling teams in the East in the past 8 years that LBJ beat to get to GSW are not tougher teams. Jordan played almost twice as many 50 and 60 win teams in the playoffs as LBJ did.
Lebron is in the top 15 not 5 or 10 and Jordan is in a league by himself.
Guy Destin lol go to sleep guy and don't wake up until you come to your senses
@@B.Piercesports yes he is in the top 15 as a basketball player.
no he's top 4 all time easily
He's probably top ten but the people putting him 1st or 2nd or even in the top 5 are out of their minds. There's no chance he's above bird kobe magic or Michael. And those are just the non big men. Kareem and Russell are definitely above him too and probably shaq and maybe hakeem and wilt.
Thank you, sir.
This why I lowered LeBron. I have him top 10 now. Forget even the 3-6 record. This honestly like the 3rd time I've seen him quit. Very talented, great stats but plays like it's a one man sport. And when he's down big, he just gives up completely and it be obvious. And a lot that's said about him, isn't true. Ex: making players better, great leader & not a stat padder. And if someone brings up 3-1 debacle, please remember it took a suspended Draymond, Bogut being out games 5-7, and iggy and Steph playing hurt and Kyrie to come back.
Jahleel Sayers I knew Steph was hurt when he couldn't even shake Love. Iggy showed me he was hurt with certain movements he was doing in the game. Draymond being out gave Cavs all the momentum and Bogut, their rim protector, was out while it was happening. Kobe scored big points while hurt so that means he's not hurt? Just because someone screams something doesn't make it true 😂😂. Just watch the game. Anyone with one good eye at least could tell iggy & Steph weren't 100%.
Tevin McCray the refs were the biggest reason Cavs won
rob feld yea refs helped too
The Draymond and Bogut excuses are so much garbage. A. It was Draymond own damn fault. and B. Draymond came back in Game 6 and the Lebron still dropped 40 on them.
And it's hilarious you act like Bogut.was some important piece of the team. He was barely on the floor even when he was healthy.
You want to see a REAL debacle? Look up game 6 of the 2002 WCF.
Not to mention trying to throw shade on the 3-1 comeback just because it shits all over your narrative is pathetic.
The truth is the world is so thirsty for another ultra super star like Michael Jordan that the fans and media today try to make Le’Bron that person. But it backfired because not only is MJ 100000x better then Le’Bron, but the #1 reason we as a world all loved MJ was because he had more heart and fire then any other person we ever seen. Lebron doesn’t have it and never did, hence why he will never be that person. But the world wants to have another mj that they kept trying to force it
You a Kobe hater. Oscar? Really bra?? Kobe is in higher hi archy than LeBron much higher and at 5-2 in finals IDK how you could drop Mamba to 14
*hierarchy
Because Kobe wasn't the best player for 3 of those chips & he gave up in 06 vs Phoenix when they were up
Jeremiah C
LeBron quit on his team in 2010, 2014 & this year.
funny how retarded kobe haters say he wasn't the best player on the Lakers, while Shaq himself says Kobe was. must be something in that least coast water that makes you all stupid and/or blind.
babydickslick kobe 5 Jordan 6-0 LeBron superteam 3-6
There was no comparison to Jordan at all, under any circumstance in any era. James is just an okay player; I wouldn't pay to watch him play, even in his prime, he's just another player to me. I never bought into the hype and I wanted him earlier in his career to just "take it" because it's right there... he didn't have it and doesn't.
People still trying to say he's the goat even tho his winning has gone way downhill ever since lol
Hakeem was better at his position and played against much better comp at the position.
babydickslick I know. Shaq, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Mourning, and Mutumbo were all trash and not hall of fame players. Rik Smits, Elden Campbell, and Divac were also garbage.
@babydickslick Shaq came into the league in '92 after 3 yrs of college ball dumb *ss boi and dominated from day 1...ur so stupid, I swear yunguns n they bs
Love the High intellectual breakdown. Thank you for speaking the TRUTH. Salute my brother and keep up the good work... One Luv
True dat Guy, I totally agree. Kobe is in a higher class than LeBron cuz he's a killer. He is in top 15 for sure. People need to stop comparing LeBron to the real king, MJ. MJ is the greatest of all time and maybe forever.... Seriously.
MJ = Basketball perfection
"But is LeBron James as good as Michael Jordan? No he's not. Is he better than Michael Jordan? Of course not" 😂😂😂
Always pissed at Kobe for that Phoenix Series... but He’s better than Labron. 20 years on my Favorite Team. Willing to attack offensively for the whole game otherwise. Labron wants to make basketball plays. The Lakers didn’t need their superstar Kobe to make the right basketball play...they had Derek Fisher for that. Kobe played PG better than Labron. Labron’s just way more physically gifted than Kobe.
June 2009 he’s got rings than Shaq. I’m not comparing Kobe to Centers. That’s retarded.
babydickslick they’re Centers. And Kobe beat Shaq in Rings.
June 2009 ok. I put Kobe as the 2nd best 2 guard in NBA history behind Jordan.
bryan greene without shaq, how many rings would Kobe have? how many fmvps does Kobe have compared to shaq?...
LeBron is 11th.
I know LeBron can't guard KD
"So I sent JR Smith out there to guard him" hahahahahaha
Dude closest to MJ is Wilt not Lebum
Kobe is better offensively and defensively
babydickslick they dont lie but they're misleading.
2010 NBA Finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 😂
2013 NBA Finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Postseason game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5 > Kobe 1
Kobe vs LeBron
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3PT%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
WS: LeBron
PER: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Seasons avg +25 ppg
LeBron 14 > Kobe 12
Seasons +25 ppg on +50% fg
LeBron 8 > Kobe 0
Seasons shooting +40% 3pt
LeBron 1 > Kobe 0
Career high
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Jordan > LeBron > Kobe
kobe has no D he got pussy 😂
Kobe was on a different level than LeBron, remember kobe played in MJs era...and Kobe was a killer on the court, did Kobe ever just give up?! Nope, in fact LeBron has given up more than once...
Kobe was only better defensively
Notice how none of the Cavs players were paying attention to what LeBron was saying lol
@ChroniclesOfJudah 144 Kobe at 14th? I can't agree. He was a big part of the finals in 2000 on a swollen ankle scoring 28 in Game 4 and scoring 26 in Game 5 and hitting the series clinching shot over Reggie. And 01, 02, 09, 10 he was clearly a game changer in those finals. In 2010 he beat the big 4 with broken fingers and still had 23 points and 15 rebounds just as many as Pau. Yes he's the remix of Jordan and he's 5-2 in the finals no matter what happens. He's easily greater than Wilt, Bird, Jerry, and has more finals and rings than all 3 put together. Not to mention leadership, offense, defense, stats and championships. This is a top 3 player. Having him in your top 10 is a must. Regardless of how you feel bossman. But I agree with everything else you said.
June 2009 you think I give a damn about their list. These dudes who put these lists together are nothing but fan boys and statboys who don't know the game of basketball and can't gauge anyone's greatness outside of stats. This generation of sportswriters which ironically began in the same year Bron won 66 games and got his ass put out by the Orlando Magic lol when he was the favorite to win the title. So these fools ain't experts they fans. Real GM lmfao. Foh!
June 2009 meh I disagree.
June 2009 I disagree because I'm a man and I can form my own opinion instead of conforming.
June 2009 5 titles is weak? you act like Bryant was a role player on those teams. Not even worth debating you step to the side guy.
June 2009 man you compared Kobe to the Horry vs Jordan you have no respect for legends and the game of basketball. Question Big Homie how many titles did Shaq have before Kobe Bryant came to the Lakers 0 he got swept by Hakeem Olajuwon next how many playoff games did Pau Gasol win before he went to the Lakers 0 he was 0-12 in the playoffs. How many titles did Kobe win without Gasol 3 how many titles did he win without Shaq 2 how many titles combined did Gasol and Shaq win without Kobe 1 so cut the bullshit
I like your channel but I do disagree with you about Kobe
If LBJ had heart, tougher mentality, greater leadership, greater team player, and better shooting ability he could've been top 5.... for example imagine LeBron if he had the mind state of a Kobe, KG, MJ of course... instead he's like a child throwing temper tantrums at his team and giving up in multiple finals appearances...
I saw the games, shaq and Kobe got eliminated from the playoffs their first 2 years together: So when they win Chips you give credits to just to Shaq?. Shaq had Penny, Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones, the 3 peat came once Kobe joined the Starting Line up.
The chips came once Phil took over. Kobe couldn't get another chip without Phil. Least Shaq got 1 without Phil. Not taking anything away from either player, but Phil plays a huge part in both Shaq and Kobe reachimg the zenith of their careers.
Jack Reacher I agree. Another topic. Did you catch the Captain ESPN reference in Jack Reacher 2?
@@bryangreene5795 Yes Sir.
It’s sad that people still defend Lebron. It really is.
Im really considering moving LeBron out of the top 10
Lmao okay do it bud your opinion doesn’t count ur a no body fucking idiot
June 2009 i wonder how old Jordan was. U stupid fuck
Thats your opinion you have the right to do so. I couldn't agree with that though but thats the thing about opinions
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Great video but kobe was far from overrated. Could play on or off the ball. Good defender also
James Rimmer I think Judah put him in a koo spot. Shit where would u rank him.
Cause there's a lot of players that's underrated like Wilt, Kareem or the big O. Personally I think Kareem is the best player of all time. But I barely hear people even bring him up SMH!
lol he's not even better than Duncan but got 10X the amount the hype than him. Kobe could play on or off ball but he's still very overrated. and overrated as a defender too.
Kobe is 4-2 in the playoffs against Tim Duncan in his career.
TheCrunchySopa I know u ain't saying Duncan is better than kareem hahahaha. Am not even going to put kareem stats against Duncan. It's obvious y'all niggas don't have a good knowledge of basketball history or stats. So am going let others nigga argue with y'all
Kobe is one of the most overrated defenders of all-time. Even Kobe himself admitted he didn't deserve his last 5 all defensive team selections. Not to mention I still remember him getting starched for 60 by Gilbert Arenas AT THE STAPLES CENTER.
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And James will make the Lakers self destruct. His ego is too big. And when he loses to the warriors .( or that kind of team. ) I dont see him leading them to the finals. Lakers are currently a 5th seed team. And when James loses again in the finals. He'll have one of his famous meltdowns. He'll bail to another team. Again I've said this before. " one player can not win a championship game. " unless that team that he is playing just quits playing. James doesn't have the killer instinct for destroying teams. jordan went for a team's heart. James will bail out on the Lakers when James realizes that he won't win the championship there.
As a die hard sixer fan I don’t want lebron in philly we built a great culture and if lebron comes all that goes out the window if he quit on Cleveland he’ll quit on us as well and this is what these teams need to realize this is what you’ll get for the next 4 to 5 seasons if you sign him
Same reason why I never wanted him on my Lakers team and now all my young core is gone except for Kuzma, but I'm riding with Anthony Davis as our future.
This has aged very well post MJ documentary.
For me, the debate was over when the announcer said, " LeBron's ability to guard Jason Terry "......He was outplayed by a 33 yr old ROLE PLAYER, while supposedly hitting his prime.......
LBJ is a top 15 to 20 player of all time imo. It was hard to not associate quitting with LBJ. There should never be a debate again with LBJ and MJ. I never liked that narrative in the first place, and I am glad that people are slowly starting to say what most fans already knew. Soon KD has to be mentioned in this arguement about who is better overall out of the two.
Bro I love you channel you provide a philosophical break down to NBA and you speak the truth when it comes down to today's 'quote" superstars MJ, Magic, Kobe, Bird, Russell , Duncan , Olajuwon , Shaq, Iverson
I deals with LeBron but he can’t flicker a candle light to Jordan. People need to leave Jordan out of comparing him to anyone
babydickslick Jordansexual??? You Lame as hell boy gtfoh
babydickslick 6-0
babydickslick with 6 finals mvp’s
Facts
Luchi. MJ is not better than KB
I was fortunate enough to see Russell, Chamberlain, Baylor, West Jabbar and on up through Lebron in al of their primes. and I can honestly say that you absolutely nail Lebron on all points and his fanbase and the media(part of his fanbase also). I have listened to some of the greats of the 80's thru the 90's and the majority of them share most of your views I believe. I would like to add that you are more articulate and passionate about your views and opinions concerning Lebron, NBA teams and the media and the basics of how they operate than I have heard before. My hope is that you continue voice your opinions in the future. By the way, my choice for GOAT is Wilt Chamberlain(had to add that). The GOAT debate, in this case, doesn't even apply. Too many variables.
Also, when you are told that you are the 'King' starting in high school through present day..sooner or later you start to believe your own press. Narcissism at it's worst.
Lebron is athletically superior to almost every other ball player in history, but never transferred that into being the greatest in history.
You have the best basketball analysis on UA-cam. Or television for that matter
Allegedlyyyyyy
LeBron the Master of None
LeBUST ain't even top 10
Clown
this video is almost 2 yrs old and even after the last dance espn and fs1 are pushing this goat narrative. Paul Pierce didn't put Lebron in his top 5 now they're attacking him
It should have never been in question that the greatest of all times garnered that level of respect. When all the records, accolades, achievements is a statement and testament of love commitment, and passion to the game of basketball. Michael Jordan is the standard bearer. He made the highest impact on the world, with his ability to elevate to another level where he and him alone is the greatest of all times.
Lebron played in a system in Miami so he can play in a system. The thing is does he want to play in a system? I believe that is why he left Miami to become a ball dominate stat stuffing machine. He needs a scorer/weapon like Kyrie to give his system any chance of working. He had good NBA players around him but they didn't or didn't want to play within what you call the Lebron system. A organization has to be strong enough and have a strong enough coach to make him buy into their system. The Cavs have no one that Lebron respects because they take a backseat to him. in Miami Pat Riley is running that organization and when he let Lebron know you just play don't worry about anything he got in his feelings and went back to Cleveland where they would let him do as he pleases. Hopefully these last two years has taught him all great players need a system.
M.J. The GOAT... Greatest Of All Time.
LeBron The GOAT... Going On Another Team.
I agree about your comment on Iggy. Some people have already forgotten he was finals MVP just a 2 years ago. And 2 years before that he was the primary option on his team. Ridiculous how much fire power the league can allow on one team.
So how is Lebron better than Kobe again ???
Apart from his off court issues or his injuries, on the court, he showed he was better. Eye ball test and stats show it. Offense and defensive skills, leadership, clutchness, determination, IQ, heart. Whether under Del Harris off the bench or Phil in both eras. Playoffs have shown it. Against tougher opposition on a consitent basis. Against the double teams. Time and time again he showed his ability to play within a system and play his role effectively. Play and win despite the injury or drama. He was not as efficient as Jordan and Kobe isnt the GOAT, but not better than Lebron?? Even at 33 years old, Kobe playing in his last playoff against Okc, the fight and heart he showed verse a superior team Lebron doesn't show. Or even as a 34 year old banged up Kobe, body betraying him, willing his dysfunctional injured team to the playoffs? Cmon now. Hate him for 1 Phoenix series but that doesnt define him. Players always pick Kobe.
D Games89. MJ ain't better than KB. I mean you have to take into account obstacles each one faced during their play time.
Gick Djoud I'm a big Kobe fan. But give me some stats and facts and I'll hear out your arguement...
Gick Djoud kobe was a least effecient version of jordan. Jordan read the defense better and was very profecient in making his move before the defensive help gets there so that he can take a better shot. Jordan also used the triangle system to his advantage so that he was in the right position to score or make a pass. kobe preferred to play iso ball and never really embraced the triangle offense which allowed the defense to be in better position to send help in containing him. Jordan also moved around when the ball is not on his hands to create better spacing for his teammates or to create a better shot for himself. Kobe tended to stand around the perimeter waiting to get the ball back.
Gick Djoud "you have to take itno account obstacles each one faced'
Ok lets do that.
Kobe-Traded to a 50+win playoff contender on draft day
Jordan-Drafted by an absolute dumpster fire of a franchise.
Kobe- Gifted with his first 2 playoff appearances riding the bench
Jordan- Had to scratch fight and claw his way to his first playoff appearace in a conference that had Bird's Celtics Dr J's(then later Barkley's) Sixers, Isiah Thomas' Pistons
Kobe- Got to play alongside a league MVP
Jordan- NEVER got to play alongside a league MVP
Kobe- Had a teammate average 38, 33, and 36 in consecutive finals.
Jordan- Never had a teammate average even 20 in the Finals
Kobe- Coached by a Phil Jackson who was already 6 rings in
Jordan- Coached by Phil Jackson when he was a rookie head coach.
Kobe- Had NO expectations on him until year 9 when Shaq left
Jordan- Had the championship hopes and dreams of an entire city on his back since Day 1.
Yeah it's really not even close. Kobe faced NO adversity in his career until at least year 7 when Colorado took place. Before that his career had been as blessed as it could be. Then even after Colorado Kobe had only 2 down years before the Lakers were contending again.
This narrative that Kobe has faced SO much struggle in his career is 100% bullshit.
@@bobbyesteban6741 As much as I agree with Kobe being less efficient then Jordan, your reasoning later on got into explaining off ball movement doesnt fully take into account the differences in both their eras. It was illegal for defenses to play zone or double on players in Jordans era. Jordan was a beast because he played 1v1 and was great doing it. Kobe did too but Kobe would collapse the defense against zones by luring doubles all the time. Thats why he always flourished and won when he had capable and reliable centers and/or power forwards. Also, idk why you said Kobe stood around waiting for the ball. Kobe frequently respected the triangle, matter fact, Phil would consistently use the triangle to create screens for Kobe to eventually get the ball and score or confuse the defense. Kobe trusted his teammates, contrary to popular belief. Especially when he had a guard or forward like Odom, Fisher, Gasol who could be ball dominant, score or run the point while Kobe would run around screens. Example, what Lebron does by passing the ball to a moving shooter who could quickly catch and shoot while moving and using screens to get an open shot... Kobe would do, except he was the shooter in the scenerio, not the facilitator. But those were all sets the coach ran. I'm not trying to say Kobe was better than Jordan, just simply the point you made wasnt right and your point is commonly said by people who are biased and dislike Kobe.
Agree, LBJ can never break top 5 at this point... never seen a player thats given GOAT consideration be so soft mentally. Unreal.
Where is this guy at now...id love to see this debate on a podcast...shannon sharpe would be exposed
He posts his videos on Patreon now.
There's really no reasonable case one can make to keep Kobe out of the top 10. Big O was great but no. 2 finals appearances alongside Kareem doesn't put him over Kobe, wtf Judah lol. Hakeem might be a better basketball player but it would be marginal if at all. However Kobe's resume and career clearly trumps Hakeem and makes up for any marginal difference in talent level. Jerry West...no mvps, 1-8 in the finals, no. You can rank Kobe as high as #6 all time and as low as #10 depending on what you value. But #14??. Lmao, no sir...allegedly.
Dan McCutcheon. You don't shit, KB = MJ
Dan McCutcheon
1-michael jordan
2-kareem abdul jabbar
3-magic johnson
4-bill russell
5-larry bird
6-lebron
7-wilt chamberlain
8-shaq
9-tim duncan
10-hakeem olajuwon
June 2009 If you were to swap Bird to #3 and LeBrick down to #10 maybe Dr.J wouldn't complain? So dumb
So Kobe’s overrated because he blew a 3-1 lead and stopped shooting. So that’s the only thing he did in his career. Okay.
are those things in totality worse than all the blunders I’m Lebron’s career?
Ahmad Abdo nobody in that 2000's era shot over 45%. Not Iverson, T-Mac, Carter, or any other elite level backcourt player. Isiah Thomas didn't shoot %50 either & COJ doesn't criticize him as much as Kobe.
Steve Ibrahim Tony Allen was 6 times all defense and he had 3/4 hof players on his squad. Pistons had some of the best defenders in their positions and played team ball Kobe never counted himself out or claimed to b out matched he would say they didn't execute not make excuses. And he played thru injury his whole career, played against some of the best defenders of all time even gave Jordan hella buckets as a rookie.
Steve Ibrahim So he’s overrated Bc he single handily couldn’t beat teams lol half the stuff you critiqued his control was limited
JMR_GP if Kobe had the ability to pick and choose his teammates and team hop like Lebron he'd have 12 rings😂
Kobe went off on Twitter about the lebron and his “help” and with empirical data and his own historical experiences. Everything he said merits truth.
Thank you for finally seeing the light my brother! How could someone be great when they can only play in one system and they do not play defense? Great players can be implemented and any system and be successful like a Kevin Durant like a Davis from the Pelicans but thank you for finally understanding that this man is not worthy of a top-five and debatable top-10
I can't believe you don't have three times the followers!!! Nothing but Truth being said in your videos.
Point to a game or series where Kobe was scared...i can give at least 2 series where lebron was scares of the moment...Kobe better defender better scorer more rings
babydickslick nah Kobe stop shooting to prove a point to Phil Jackson...lebron scared...he can throw all these fancy off the glass gamewinners when he's playing the pacers and raptors...but when he's in the finals with the game on the line he's looking to pass the ball to George hill n Kyle korver lol I know those guys say to themselves wtf is up with this guy
babydickslick yeah I'd rather have Kobe mentality on my team win or lose brick or swish...i don't want my best player scared in the clutch looking to pass the ball to Kyle korver and George hill...im taking kobe
babydickslick Kobe mentality got me 5 rings and only 2 losses...lebron mentality got you 3-6 swept twice and the biggest choke in sports history
babydickslick yup just like lebron piggybacked on dwade bosh and ray Allen...and I rather get swept like Kobe then freeze up and choke like lebron did lol...shutdown and outscored by Jason Terry ... 8 pts smh...mamba mentality had Kobe waiting for lebron in the finals...but lebron lost to the Dwight Howard and nobody magic team lol
babydickslick yeah I'm looking at Kobe 2011 roster and trying to find dwade and bosh on there lol I rather get swept than have dwade and Chris bosh on my team and lose to dirk and nobody lol worst choke in sports history ...period ...you little lebron kids are hilarious
All you have to do is watch Jordan's highlights compared to his highlights and it become obvious....Jordan was magic..Labron is a beast..but he doaent have the eye like Jordan...Kobe had it right..just be like Mike...He also played when teams actually played defense...Could you imagine LeBron against the Pat Riley Knicks in a seven game series?...then???......NOPE!!!!! Or Detroit with Rasheed and company????.....NOPE!!!.....or a lot of those teams they wouldn't measure up against and I dont remember Jordan ever giving up???
Kobe > LeBron
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100%@ goodybagz. Just look at these feminine responses COJ
Ppl are gonna have to acquiesce & admit this. Especially now that Kobe is feeling disrespected & starting to speak out. Kobe had the real NBA Finals in the Western conference for too many yrs.
Kobe’s “Borderline homosexual fans” LOL
LeBron was speaking highly of Durant after Game 3 in order to push the narrative ESPN wanted to justify giving the FMVP to Durant over Curry. Never forget where the Nike allegiances are: LeBron, ESPN, Durant, and Iguodala
I love a lot of your points. It’s a shame more people should be this honest.
Skip Bayless and I believe many others would disagree that LeBron hasn't done anything recently as bad as Kobe's 2006 Game 7 tantrum. How would you describe LeBron's performance in the OT of Game 1 in the Finals? What's the difference? Did he not throw a tantrum on the sideline and then simply go through the motions on the court?
Also, I think it's safe to say that LeBron James has surpassed Kobe as the most overrated superstar in NBA history. From his inception into the NBA, the media have tried (and failed) to convince the masses that he's the greatest player to lace up a pair of sneakers since Jordan. Refs aside in Game 1, there's no reason LeBron James shouldn't have pulled it together and found a way to complete the steal of Game 1. Period. As LeShannon Sharpe applies to every superstar except LeBron James "If he's THAT guy..."
I actually agree with you that Kobe belongs just outside of the top 10 but I can't understand how you still have LeBron in the top 10 after your breakdown of LeBron's finals performances and all the flaws associated with him. Seems a bit hypocritical. Because he influenced the Free Agency paradigm in the NBA? You yourself have said that that is what will be LeBron's legacy. Along with his underachievements of course.
Agree to disagree but eye test says Kobe is better. Despite the stats saying otherwise.
Peace.
I think what we can all agree on is being ,for lack of a better term one dimensional(can only play in one selfish system)yet having amazing stats doesnt make for consideration in the goat conversation. Theres too many intangibles that don't translate to a stat sheet that set the greatEST players apart from just the great ones. Lebron just simply doesnt possess alot of those intangibles and we all know it. The tragedy of it all is that LeBron might just go down as one of those incredibly rare talents that accomplished some good things but his own ego hindered his ability to do so much more throughout his career. By not simply giving up some control and trusting proven systems, coaches, and teammates hes effectively cost himself alot more than few wins.
That's why he wouldn't come to Chicago because he knew he couldn't fill Jordan's shoes.
Nor wear the number
"He grows one follicle of hair everytime he knows about a Michael Jordan record and he breaks it." Hahaha so funny
How can anyone possible say that Kobe Bryant’s 14th on the list the man still has a mvp 5 rings and 2 finals mvps not a lot of players can say that
My Top 10
Michael Jordan
Bill Russell
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Larry Bird
Hakeem The Dream
iamstevenallen_ no wilt? Lmao wilt averaged 30 and 30 on russell so what bill has 11 rings look at his team 6 HOF
Devin Cruz apparently that wasn't enough. He put up great stats but wasn't producing in the playoffs so naw. I'm not giving him no props for stats.
iamstevenallen_ it's not his fault his teammates were shit he dominated his matchup every year what else do you want him to do lol is Jerry west trash because he lost over and over again to bill?
Kobe over Bird? No no no no no no no
iamstevenallen_ Funny how you justified your biased opinion on one of the most athletic player that averaged sky high points and rebounds with the idea of not producing as much as he should be in the playoff while you blindly picked LeBron James who is currently holding 9 final loses at the top 5 .
I think the term overrated is a bit of a overstatement when it comes to Kobe. Clearly, you don't understand the circumstances that occurred in that series. Kobe dropped 50 on game 6 and almost won the game by himself and was highly criticized for shooting the ball a lot by the media. Yes, he only attempted 2 shots in game 7 but the way I look at it is this, how come it took Phoenix 7 games to beat a depleted Lakers team that only had 1 superstar? Even if Kobe had beaten the Phoenix Suns, you still wouldn't give him his props and at best you probably would still have him outside the top 10. Allegedly!
Truth. Good job. How doesn't everyone see this?
I got Jordan #1 all time...... I got Lebron around #8 all time approximately. I have Kobe around #15 all time approximately
I am one of the few people who feels Olajuwon was incredible.................. If I have the first pick in the NBA draft and I have to choose between Lebron or Olajuwon, I take Hakeem!
Tearstojoyministries.org, the minute i read your comment that you got Jordan 1 i hit the like
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I can get to 12 I can easily make an argument for.
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Lebron
7.Wilt
8.Hakeem
9.Duncan
10. Shaq
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Dr J.
Moses Malone? Isaiah Thomas? Jerry West? Etc etc etc
No respectable unbiased knowledgeable NBA fan would waste anybody's time with your hypothetical question. No offense.
You can put at the very least 10-15 all time greats other than Lebron vs Hakeem for the first pick in the draft...and it would be a much more difficult decision. Kareem or Hakeem? Now thats a debate. Wilt or Hakeem? That's a debate. Lebron vs Hakeem? Thats Special Olympics vs Real Olympics.
I take Hakeem over Lebron 10 out of 10 times............................. It would be a easy decision for me because I saw Hakeem's career on TV
This Finals for LeBron's legacy is reminiscent of the Finals for Curry in 2016. LeBron had more to lose, but both those players were on the cusp of having their legacies (even more) greatly magnified if they would've won those respective Finals. The media slightly turned on Steph after 2016. I am curious to see the conversation around LeBron post-summer 2018.
I have been a coach for youth teams in higher leagues for many years. What we saw in the big screen with lebron is something i've often seen with super talented kids in the little picture. Young boys, undeveloped, not neccessarily the strongest, most mature character, get praised excessively and lose ground contact. They frequently stop working hard on their game, dont really improve their weaknesses but work on showboating things like dunks and fancy dribble moves. When they fail or lose, its neccessarily their teams fault because you know they are so talented it cant be THEIR fault, right? They make sure to get their stats, they get all cocky on wins, but will quit early and sit on the bench when they feel the game is going down hill. I could go on and on with analogies but the key message is, i am not surprised by the failure LeBron has become (relatively to the expectations, of course) but by the fact that the whole industry STILL hypes him publicly like he was the savior of basketball. Off camera we all know theres little respect for him as a player or person and once his career will be over you will hear and read a lot about that.
CURRY IS THE REAL KING OF AKRON
NANCE JR IS ANOTHER KING FROM AKRON
Are you joking right?
I think Bron should be somewhere between 9 or 10.
Kareem, Russell, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Wilt, Shaq, and Kobe are all ahead of him. Although many argue that Bron is greater than Kobe so that’s why I say anywhere from #9 or #10 for LBJ.
Could you imagine LeBron playing for the Spurs coached by Becky Hammond? The liberal media's head would be on a swivel, they wouldn't know whose side to take (although we know that hierarchy, so it would be prudent for LeBron to not yell at Hammond the way he does his other coaches. The media would turn on him with the quickness.) I don't see Popovich deciding to stay 4 more years, so if LeBron signs a 4 year deal with the Spurs, then it is very possible that he is eventually coached by Becky Hammond.
dudewat212 but here's my thing lebron is going to bump heads with his future coach look at Miami leaving spolestra damn near causing Tyron lue a heart attack.He will cuss that coach out lol. But I agree with you cuz if he is seen cussing her out the liberal sports media will give him a look of reproach just as much they lauded him over his female coach comment but we will see. I read a headline not the article though about how Popovich will try to force a meeting with his team
dudewat212 lebron is shrewd we all know that but as how Judah says he got that bitch energy and it will come out lol.
Ness ... Astute observation regarding the media's reproach. On their hierarchy, they put Hammond ahead of LeBron.
dudewat212 absolutely especially since we are in the age of women being worship at an all time high..... I personally feel like if Hammond goes 500 her first year she's going to receive so much praise as a coach on thr rise smh.
Bledsoe was wanted because Bledsoe was never gonna be a threat to LeBron’s throne. Don’t think that LeBron didn’t get tired of hearing Kyrie hit the shot to win the 2016 Finals.
I never disagree with you !!! Your very accurate and inciteful. Keep it up.
Agree Cron is very smart when it comes to bball analysis
2015 after finals steve kerr said about lebron "i never seen a all-time player have no go to move"
LeQuit is now LeBUST
I agreed until you brought up the suns series in '06. That's one series where that happened and it didn't happen again. Can't stand when people bring that up and say that's what he's not the goat
With all the things you’ve said in this video Juddah, how could you still possibly think that Lebron is better than KD at this point of their career? It’s clear as day to me. Durant is far more skilled and plays better on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Durant is the best player in the league and he deserves that title until further notice.
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Kobe is the ONLY player in league history to score at least
600 postseason points in three consecutive years
2008 - 633
2009 - 695
2010 - 671.
Roger Raymond at how many attempts though? The thing that separates Jordan from Kobe, AI, VC, Tmac, PP is his fg%. Thats why he was able to get away with “Hero Balling”
Top 10. Magic. Mj. Bill. Timmy. Kareem. Bird. Shaq. Hakeem. Wilt. Isiah and Kobe for 10. Bron not top 10. Bron not better than Shaq.
If Le Bron played during the Jordan years he wouldn't be where he is now. 🤣
How can ignorance of medoracy be so powerful? "GOAT" means one who have done what no one else have done in his/her skill set before, is that a fair meaning of the subject? Lets look at the things LeBron James Have done in his career.
He packed out stadiums across the country while in high school, no one has ever done that, ok I give him that. He went to the NBA from high school, been done! He could not get his team up and moving in Cleveland, so he went to Miami with Dwayne Wade, already a champion there, so in hind sight he was train by Mr Wade, ok no one has done that!
Moving on, he was like a college kid that went off to school, got some training and came back home with fire and zeal of a champion and won a championship. The next year the air was knock out of him, why because he had no foundation as a champion. He got swept in the championship game.
Now I am not going to rehash Mr. Jordan's career in the NBA, because you know it. It takes strong mental power to become a champion, it takes super strong mental power to become , a champion, a champion, a champion...took a break, came back, a champion, a champion, a champion!
Now numbers do not lie, there was 29 teams in the NBA when MR. Jordan was playing....29 x3 = 89 teams to beat to be champion . Came back and put up the same numbers 29x3 = 89 teams again to be champion. 89x2 =176 teams to be a champion, He went against the law of averages, defied gravity, and the odds. His man name is mention by Dr. Denis Waitley as he describes the talent of Mr Jordan in the psychology of winning as "the art of visualization" as he mention other great names along side him. Mohammad Ali and Bruce Lee had that art in their craft
This statement is for Magic Johnson, who said.." I don't know what it was about him" there is your answer Magic.
I want to give you a metaphor: Lets take the complete NBA cast of the Michael error out of the decades of the 80's and 90's we are going to place the talent Of LeBron James error into the 80's and 90's. Would they have beat Magic, Byrd, The Bad Boys and all the other teams that had a very high possibility of being champions, but was stop because of Mr Jordan.
Now all of this is how i see it factually, But what i truly accept is the wisdom of Mr. jordan, who did not accept that honor and gave the reason why.
Greatness to me is what comes out of man and it reflects in the results of his works, what makes it powerful is the humility, decency and respect that he covers it with.
J Rose, you have great basket ball vision, keep it up!!!
Please request to be on the Skip Shannon show and school these guys on what it means to be a GOAT. MJ all day
Idk how ppl would even compare Lebron to MJ...Lebron been to the finals what 9 times n won 3 n he suppose to b the best on the planet...smh...The League is weak asf since he been here.....Durant better then Lebron ...KOBE IS WAY BETTER!.....LEBRON N THE TOP 20 not no 5 or 10
This is one of the best videos on the web today regarding how bad Lebron and his team perform on the court. It is sad and embarrassing to listen to all these people try to defend the crap we have witnessed the last couple of years.
You need to create playlists so people can get to your older videos easier. Got niggas scrolling for 5 mins at a time.
Agreed, great commentary. Couldn't have said all this better myself, except for the Kobe comments, but everyone has their own opinion
Duncan is a top 5 player. Only Russell, Kareem, Jordan and Magic are better in my opinion. Impact and stats.
You can make a good case for him being thay high. Thanks for viewing the video.
We should all be ashamed of ourselves for even entertaining this nonsense. Michael Jordan hands down. It's not even close.