Why Did Scotland Spend 67 Million Pounds To Change The Roads?

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  • @AndyHullMcPenguin
    @AndyHullMcPenguin Рік тому +724

    In the grand scheme of things, the 16 million trees in question seem like a bit of a loss, but since the majority of them were conifer plantations, many of which were, and are planted in questionable locations and cause degradation of the already fragile soils on many of Scotlands hillsides, I'm in two minds about this. If they are replaced with mixed deciduous woodland, of the sort that *should* be covering these hillsides, and still *would* be covering these hillsides, had generations of land owners not decided to chop them down in order to make "grouse moors" and "deer stalking estates" and indulged in other similar Victorian era style eco vandalism, then this might actually turn out to be a win in the long term.

    • @auldfouter8661
      @auldfouter8661 Рік тому +33

      Well who needs timber anyway ? Actually we need huge quantities and it's got very expensive.

    • @Peter-xx6tz
      @Peter-xx6tz Рік тому +57

      @@auldfouter8661where did you learn to double space? Ive seen people do it everywhere and cant wrap my head around why anyone would bother with the extra space lol

    • @noisemaker0129
      @noisemaker0129 Рік тому +13

      I love the internet

    • @jammin023
      @jammin023 Рік тому +14

      @@Peter-xx6tz Probably on a phone using predictive text which adds the space after each word, but they don't realise and are adding their own spaces as well.

    • @robinwells8879
      @robinwells8879 Рік тому

      Why are people so anti conifers. The widespread coniferous plantations are for industrial timber production and are responsible for the explosion of the red squirrel population in Scotland once again. They were planted after the war after hundreds of merchant navy men died in the attempt to bring timber across the Atlantic for us in the uk. They do not destroy soils and indeed can significantly improve them considerably and prevent their erosion

  • @LeeSmith-cf1vo
    @LeeSmith-cf1vo Рік тому +236

    Silly question: why not just go the wrong way around the roundabout?
    They probably have the road closed anyway (as is normal when moving unusual loads, late at night, like this) and it looks like there would be space, given the tightness of the roundabout itself. (but I admit that is just an eyeball guess)

    • @kenbrown2808
      @kenbrown2808 Рік тому +22

      it is the dynamics of getting something long and rigid around the corner. they'd most likely still have to remove obstructions no matter which way they crossed, even though those extreme overlength rigs do steer at both ends. interestingly, for US wind farms, they haul the same components at motorway speeds with just a pilot car front and back.

    • @LeeSmith-cf1vo
      @LeeSmith-cf1vo Рік тому +16

      @@kelticd5397 so they do go the wrong way and they still had to make alterations anyway? OK, fair enough then.

    • @FrankFurther
      @FrankFurther Рік тому +5

      Too tight a corner

    • @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t
      @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t Рік тому +7

      @@kenbrown2808 Yeah, but - at least after they landed in Scotland - these never got close to a motorway. Somewhere with less shit roads, maybe they do manage higher speeds.

    • @Einveldi
      @Einveldi Рік тому +5

      I'd add that roundabout entries tend to have a much bigger splay than exits to allow for more vehicles to stack at the stopline. Hence, the angles are not so severe.

  • @Purple_Banana_69
    @Purple_Banana_69 Рік тому +107

    Can we take a moment to mention the epidemic problem effecting Scotland of blue Saab's parked in every lay-by and on the side of every road. I didn't realise how serious the problem was until I saw your aerial footage 😔

    • @AutoShenanigans
      @AutoShenanigans  Рік тому +22

      Bloody nightmare! I had nowhere to park...

    • @Tommi-C
      @Tommi-C Рік тому +3

      Blue car. Classic.

    • @247Trains
      @247Trains 10 місяців тому +2

      @@AutoShenanigans❤

    • @robtyman4281
      @robtyman4281 6 місяців тому +1

      Down in England, I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a Saab on the roads. Probably pre-pandemic. The English simply don't drive them anymore. There was a time when Saabs were 'in vogue' in England.....though that was about 30 years ago! Now you can't move for Hyundai's, Kia's, Skoda's, and increasingly, Tesla's.

    • @robertmcelroy3015
      @robertmcelroy3015 6 місяців тому +1

      Its a real challenge - something we Scots struggle with daily.

  • @Decrepit_biker
    @Decrepit_biker Рік тому +17

    I love the roads in Scotland! Much better than the straight boring roads in England! Dual carriage way A roads? Snoresville.... twisty up and down A roads .... love it! ❤

  • @PhilReynoldsLondonGeek
    @PhilReynoldsLondonGeek Рік тому +7

    On the subject of road alterations in Scotland, in Livingston part of the Houstoun Interchange was dismantled by the summer of 2005, with rumours of similar plans for Cousland Interchange. These two were two of the three full cloverleaf interchanges in the UK - the other being at Headless Cross, near Redditch. Nothing has happened at Cousland and I'm not sure why they bothered messing about with Houstoun.

  • @derekheeps1244
    @derekheeps1244 Рік тому +6

    The railway may be deduced , but it has not been dismantled and indeed is still ( just ) home to the heritage railway at Dunaskin Ironworks , which sadly is due to close soon .
    However , the track is still present all the way from Ayr to Dalmellington , and a look at Google Earth shows that track still runs right down to the harbour . so the railway could have been a viable option .

  • @ChakatSandwalker
    @ChakatSandwalker Рік тому +11

    I learned about Scottish roundabouts being partially flattened to allow for turbine blades from Tom Scott's 'Lateral' podcast. Nice to see an example at last.

  • @gavinminion8515
    @gavinminion8515 Рік тому +159

    To be clear, many of the trees being felled were planted as crops shortly after the second world war - they were reaching the age where they would have been felled anyway. The wind turbines just happened to come along at the right time.

    • @davefb
      @davefb Рік тому +6

      I assume the felled trees still got transported down some insanely small road at INSANELY high speed.... Those things are terrifying :D

    • @malcolmyoung7866
      @malcolmyoung7866 Рік тому +6

      Yep Forestry Commision land started after WWI due to the loss of woodland to make pit props and trenches. A valuable cash crop.

    • @davefb
      @davefb Рік тому +1

      @@malcolmyoung7866 Its kinda interesting how much more 'forestry' the uk as a whole has compared to the low point of around ww1. I mean, a lot of it is 'cash crop' stuff or another massive monoculture, but without that, I guess it would have been open grouse land?
      They are supposedly rectifying this when they replant, but its a long term thing, you can't just stick some trees in.

    • @WeeShoeyDugless
      @WeeShoeyDugless Рік тому +12

      Not really clear at all since there will be few, if any, plantations left from the post war years.
      Sitka Spruce, and (to a lesser extent) Larch, are felled in a rotational cycle of approximately 40 years.
      Many of the trees removed for the wind farms around the country were not even 20 years into their cycle.
      That aside, the devastating effect on the landscape of our countryside here in Scotland is beyond reproach and the main beneficiaries of these developments are the Lords & Ladies on the huge estates..... (and possibly those who receive a brown envelope or four😉😉)

    • @rdouthwaite
      @rdouthwaite Рік тому +4

      @@WeeShoeyDugless you should see what they've done to the Shetland Islands....

  • @nightwolfMKT
    @nightwolfMKT Рік тому +65

    There's a crossroad in my town in Scotland that was changed into a mini-roundabout because it was a bit too big, everyone hated it, then a few years later they mostly changed it back (but kept the road narrowed somewhat). It was a whole weird sequence of events.

    • @sigmasigmaspidersskibidiwall
      @sigmasigmaspidersskibidiwall Рік тому +1

      what town is it?

    • @groovytirma2409
      @groovytirma2409 Рік тому +1

      I think my water just broke...I'm a man

    • @robertdewar1752
      @robertdewar1752 Рік тому +6

      I think that a lot of this is to do with the fact that, weirdly, the road planners have no interest in vehicles or roads. Sure they are probably highly qualified, but they have no interest in making roads actually usable.

    • @CrusaderSports250
      @CrusaderSports250 Рік тому +4

      @@robertdewar1752 these days if the traffic flows freely then you have to lower the speed limit, add speed humps, narrow the road and do everything in your power to clog it up, then justify it by calling it environmental safety measures!.

    • @robertdewar1752
      @robertdewar1752 Рік тому +5

      @@CrusaderSports250 Agreed. I've never understood the logic behind making traffic slower by making the road more hazardous. All that happens is that people go out and buy bigger, heavier vehicles (SUVs) to cope with the speed bumps etc. So we're all back at square one but with more road damage, potholes etc.

  • @dandann8237
    @dandann8237 Рік тому +11

    Spot on with the Hermes/Evri reference, entertaining as always

  • @_Madfly
    @_Madfly Рік тому +47

    Vattenfall is the Swedish state-owned energy company. Its name, which means waterfall, comes from the fact that it started out by operating hydroelectric power stations.

    • @SiHadlington
      @SiHadlington Рік тому +3

      And Vattenfall did deals with Scottish Power… Scottish Power are the least green energy company I know….purchasing some of the old coal fired power stations in the uk before they hit issues….fiddlers ferry and ferrybridge

    • @andersholt4653
      @andersholt4653 Рік тому +1

      Vattenfall was/is also involved in German energy with questionable pedigree.

    • @ovekarlsson777
      @ovekarlsson777 Рік тому +2

      Strange world we live in! Swedish Vattenfall build wind farms in Scotland and the biggest wind farm being built in Sweden is largely owned by the Chinese.

    • @TestGearJunkie.
      @TestGearJunkie. Рік тому +1

      @@ovekarlsson777 Along with everything else 😔

    • @gordonmackenzie4512
      @gordonmackenzie4512 Рік тому +3

      @@SiHadlingtonScottish Power is owned by the Spanish company Iberdrola. Are you thinking of SSE maybe ?

  • @Nigel4
    @Nigel4 Рік тому +5

    I used to work in Ayr and saw a lot of the convoys moving through the town at night. The clips in this video don’t really show the sheer size of the turbines, they were massive!

  • @glenjones6980
    @glenjones6980 Рік тому +14

    And once again Jon manages to feature a few of my old haunts, just off the A77 roundabout are 3 car dealerships I used to deliver cars too regularly. A dead end road that where just a single car in the wrong spot could make it impossible to turn a 60 foot transporter around, reversing blindside the wrong way onto a bit of dual carriageway exiting the roundabout was a regular shenanigan, not one that was fun either given the racing speed/racing line many like to use leaving the A77. Ah the memories.

  • @graememckay9972
    @graememckay9972 Рік тому +26

    My mates mum was on the road crews working the tamper machine. I'm surprised you never mentioned her. That's 3 videos she's been part of and you've never given my mates mum a shout out. She's had a long a varied career so I wouldn't be surprised if she stars in future videos.

    • @AndyHullMcPenguin
      @AndyHullMcPenguin Рік тому +5

      I'm pretty sure your mates mum helps keep the Cock bridge to Tomintoul road open in the winter too. She is a veritable whirling dervish with a shovel in the snow.

    • @conorf8091
      @conorf8091 Рік тому

      Honestly can’t tell if troll

    • @itstheterranaut
      @itstheterranaut Рік тому +4

      We've all heard about your mate's mum tampering, Graeme.

    • @graememckay9972
      @graememckay9972 Рік тому +2

      @@Calvi36 No she was at Lancaster services last week. Polkemmet the week before.

    • @graememckay9972
      @graememckay9972 Рік тому +2

      @@AndyHullMcPenguin She only does that for pocket money when her husband doesn't give her her full "house keeping" money.

  • @IAMPLEDGE
    @IAMPLEDGE Рік тому +66

    It must have been a real pain whilst trying to film that some tosser kept turning up and parking his blue car in your shots.

    • @SportFury1966
      @SportFury1966 Рік тому +5

      AND waving like a maniac.

    • @michaelmorgan9289
      @michaelmorgan9289 5 місяців тому

      I was that tosser as I had my Drone to take photos before & after & survey the route.

  • @IAMPLEDGE
    @IAMPLEDGE Рік тому +8

    Isn't that additional surface grasscrete, ie the stuff used to create parking space that allows grass to grow through it?

  • @DampQuiche
    @DampQuiche Рік тому +6

    The best thing in that video.... "You could see that this wasn't a job for Evri." My question is, given their propensity for losing (ahem... Stealing) parcels... Where the hell would they hide the turbine blades. If anyone could lose them Evri could.

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada Рік тому +3

      "Oh these? These are our really long horse trailers for our really long horses."

    • @ccooper8785
      @ccooper8785 5 місяців тому +2

      Evri said in their defence that they left the turbine blade behind the blue wheely bin as requested.
      Can you go and check as my missing parcel may be there as well...🤔

  • @MrGreatplum
    @MrGreatplum Рік тому +7

    I was in Luxembourg last week and was ushered off the road by police to allow for a wind turbine blade to come down the very narrow valley. The whole thing was controlled by a guy walking alongside with a radio control!

    • @KindredBrujah
      @KindredBrujah 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, they're called SPMTs and are sometimes needed those for particularly difficult sections as they do away with the cab at the front (and sometimes back) and can therefore navigate much tighter bends.

    • @MrGreatplum
      @MrGreatplum 5 місяців тому

      @@KindredBrujah - thanks - it was a clever bit of kit!

  • @sambarker7930
    @sambarker7930 Рік тому +5

    There’s one corner near me, which is on the side of a hill, and at the point two lochs/glens meet called Strone Point. This used to be a bit of an accident hotspot (several deadly accidents, over many decades), but no real improvement work was carried out.
    When the wind farms started to appear though this bend needed some attention, and it got some much needed attention (reducing the sharpness of the corner). It’s still a bit of a slow corner, but given the wider carriageway and extra camber, if you go in too quick you should be able to come out of it. I can’t recall an accident there since it was reworked for the wind farm traffic

  • @farmerslim8837
    @farmerslim8837 Рік тому +17

    It's nice to see the company I work for feature in one of your videos, Collett Transport. The wind farm drivers certainly earn their wages and have to spend many months away from home while the weather is good. Keep up the great work with the videos dude.

    • @richardwebb5317
      @richardwebb5317 6 місяців тому

      The trucks that lift the blades to get around some corners are very impressive. The movements around Selkirk in the past year were the ultimate KLF JAMM tribute.

  • @s777esl6
    @s777esl6 Рік тому +4

    There were a few roundabouts from canderside toll to strathaven that were halved to allow the truck to get around with wind turbines

    • @itstheterranaut
      @itstheterranaut Рік тому +2

      The Stonehouse one at the petrol station in particular. How I'd love to drive right across that some night.

  • @xTheZapper
    @xTheZapper 5 місяців тому

    For the roundabout at 2:40 I'm wondering why they even went round it. They must have been able to talk to the Police/Council and get it shut for half an hour late at night, then miss most of it out by just turning right and go the wrong way round it for 30m on the other side of the road.

  • @brucegoatly
    @brucegoatly Рік тому +5

    A couple of months ago Tom Scott did a Lateral Highlight on why some roundabouts in Scotland got chopped in half. (Spoiler: same reason.)

    • @AutoShenanigans
      @AutoShenanigans  Рік тому +3

      Originally, That's what the video was going to be about.. however, I'm not sure Mr. Scott was entirely correct ;-)

    • @brucegoatly
      @brucegoatly Рік тому

      Wouldn't be the first time...@@AutoShenanigans

  • @GPOTOM
    @GPOTOM Рік тому +2

    “Sub optimal” is a very polite way of describing the roads in Ayrshire. It’s been well known by the authorities that the Ayr A77 bypass has needed to be a dual carriageway since the 1990s but it still hasn’t happened. Meanwhile, new build housing estates keep springing up all around the area, adding more traffic to an already overloaded road system. It jams up every day and disrupts the flow of traffic to and from the Irish ferries at Cairnryan.

  • @dazzwsmith
    @dazzwsmith Рік тому +6

    I did a similar abnormal loads route plan for a site in North Northumberland off the A1. Let's just say the AutoTrack required some specialist vehicle models to get it to work. Also, never forget abandoned scheduled monuments (1800s mile posts) lost to time in foliage.

    • @John...44...
      @John...44... Рік тому +1

      Very few people here are going to know what autoTrack is lol

  • @sputumtube
    @sputumtube Рік тому +1

    3.26 - "so now it's a racing bridge". Spat my beer out laughing...!!

  • @mykswappedescortmk2
    @mykswappedescortmk2 Рік тому +7

    The hard surface I believe is called Grasscrete. Great vid as usual 👌🏻

    • @SProtheroe
      @SProtheroe Рік тому

      Grass cell blocks is another term, used to make a hardened verge.

  • @PhilipMurphy8Extra
    @PhilipMurphy8Extra Рік тому +14

    It's kind of strange to see Auto Shenanigans not on a weekend, Through I can get used to it soon enough.

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 Рік тому +3

      Wait, does that mean I should have been working today?

    • @oliverghunter
      @oliverghunter Рік тому

      I'm very happy to see a new AS episode on any day of the week! 😀

  • @meditationwithjake
    @meditationwithjake Рік тому +6

    "it's now a racing bridge" gave me all the lols.

  • @nigelpickett2471
    @nigelpickett2471 Рік тому +2

    I remember delivering containers to the Ben A Tuich? windfarm on the Kintyre peninsular. Several of us had to drive 8 miles off road through the forest on dirt tracks with a 45" trailer, it was not for the feint hearted I all tell you. I'm still wondering how they got the big stuff up there.

  • @matthewpike7811
    @matthewpike7811 Рік тому +4

    This is a fantastic short video Jon, find this really interesting around enabling works for other infrastructure projects. Another project that you could look into is the support road network for HS2. They are building a road the length of HS2 Phase 1 so not just a new rail link but also a new road to support this. May not be completed for some time though!

  • @feef4813
    @feef4813 Рік тому

    Thanks

  • @toxictony4230
    @toxictony4230 Рік тому +13

    I had the misfortune getting stuck behind one of those blades destined to be part of the Walney wind farm and can confirm they are bloody massive. I think the technical term you are looking for at 4:10 is Rumble Strip.

    • @Dr.Ian-Plect
      @Dr.Ian-Plect Рік тому +7

      not rumble strip, grass blocking

    • @GlensTransport
      @GlensTransport Рік тому

      It's grasscrete, or a similar product with a different name.

    • @toxictony4230
      @toxictony4230 Рік тому

      You do realize I was been a bit 'tongue-in-cheek' with that last statement.

  • @NeilCuthbert
    @NeilCuthbert Рік тому +3

    They did a similar thing with the A822 when the Griffin Wind Farm was built near Aberfeldy.

  • @southcalder
    @southcalder Рік тому +1

    My road to work takes in the A704 and A71, which recently had to have some minor modification works to allow a small wind farm extension to be constructed. But rather than widen the worst corner on the road, they simply built an almost straight line cutoff across a field. They removed several traffic islands, cut weird notches in roundabouts (including one which decimated a habitat for what seemed like hundreds of bunnies) and removed so much signage I thought the Nazis were coming back.
    However, I often encountered the oncoming turbine parts at just after 5am. I’d be driving along and see that someone had flattened the little traffic island bollards with a sandbag. That was my clue that somewhere ahead was a massive load taking up 80% of the road width and coming towards me. I took some interesting detours those mornings.

  • @thhc1744
    @thhc1744 Рік тому +7

    When you see them up close, the blades for those turbines are so much bigger than you'd think. They are also surprisingly intricate

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada Рік тому

      I do lots of road trips in the U.S. and I love seeing them on the roads or walking up to them while they're parked at rest stops.

    • @Odysseuss.
      @Odysseuss. 5 місяців тому

      And completly non recyclable.

  • @metropod
    @metropod Рік тому +1

    This was a question on Tom Scott’s “Lateral” podcast a while back…

  • @Endurorodzndubz
    @Endurorodzndubz 6 місяців тому +4

    Somerset council, have just spent £10mil building a by-pass in the wrong place, so are now having to spending £76 mil on a new motorway junction.

    • @Parker_Douglas
      @Parker_Douglas 6 місяців тому

      They piss peoples tax away when we work our arse off it .

    • @KindredBrujah
      @KindredBrujah 5 місяців тому

      By comparison, this seems like decent value then, really.

  • @weesketchyhaggis5392
    @weesketchyhaggis5392 Рік тому +3

    And in Dundee we just built roadways through the middle of roundabouts to get wind turbine parts transported from our docks.

    • @John64125
      @John64125 6 місяців тому

      That’s actually quite practical. Saves dicking around with entrances and exits like they did here. This chaos will continue for many years unfortunately.

  • @alanginger7636
    @alanginger7636 Рік тому +1

    bloody brilliant, love that everi bit

  • @TheTomco11
    @TheTomco11 Рік тому +47

    I don't know about this specific project but a lot of these windfarms are being built on monoculture forestry land so the ecological impact is relatively small, and the trees were going to be cut down at some point regardless. Also wind turbines reduce carbon output from fossil fuel power generation significantly more than the trees absorbed so it's still a net benefit in carbon emissions

    • @DaveFiggley
      @DaveFiggley Рік тому +23

      Show us your working for the CO2 figures created during manufacture, transport, road works, construction and then maintenance of these windmills x50 and get back to us.

    • @cullercoatswebsite
      @cullercoatswebsite Рік тому +1

      16 million trees lost....but the "green energy" dreamers don't care about the environment do they ?

    • @musuko42
      @musuko42 Рік тому +18

      @@DaveFiggley Does fossil fuel power generation not require those things?

    • @AndyHullMcPenguin
      @AndyHullMcPenguin Рік тому +14

      @@DaveFiggley "Tree offset calculation is based on a tree planted in the humid tropics absorbing on average 50 pounds (22 kg) of carbon dioxide annually over 40 years . Each tree will absorb 1 ton of CO2 over its lifetime; but as trees grow, they compete for resources and some may die or be destroyed - not all will achieve their full carbon sequestration potential. This calculation assumes that 5 trees should be planted to ensure that at least one lives to 40 years or that their combined sequestration equals 1 ton." - This is one of many ways to calculate CO2 in trees, but it is close enough for the purposes of this debate.
      Generally speaking a tree growing to maturity equals about a metric ton of CO2 give or take. In the case of the millions of Scottish trees chopped down, this CO2 is going to be turned into "pencils, toilet rolls, Ikea furniture and magazine blow in adverts".
      This was always going to be its fate, but perhaps the trees reached the Timber Particle Board factory a little quicker than they might have done otherwise.
      So in summary, the conifer plantations of Scotland are a short term carbon sink anyway, since they are destined to be "consumed" and a fair amount of their CO2 is going to go back in the atmosphere. Hence my comment above about planting mixed deciduous trees rather than pencils and toilet rolls. Deciduous trees grow over much longer periods and tend to keep their carbon locked up. As to the amount of CO2 used to build the turbines, it is not even within an three orders of magnitude of the amount released by gas fired or coal fired plant of similar capacity over their life time. Arguably nuclear energy is as green as wind power, but it has proven rather difficult to sell this idea to the public.

    • @Sam-es2gf
      @Sam-es2gf Рік тому

      ​@@DaveFiggleyburning fossil fuels produces far worse pollutants than co2. The main reason co2 gets mentioned is because it's the one most people recognise so industry shills pretend it's the only one that matters.

  • @johnpaterson6112
    @johnpaterson6112 5 місяців тому

    Most of the trees in Scotland are grown commercially (silviculture). When they are cut down, they are a crop to be used. They are destroyed only in the same way that wheat is when harvested.

  • @micrashed
    @micrashed Рік тому +4

    Possibly the best visual representation of Evri ever.

  • @Rossi593
    @Rossi593 Рік тому +2

    I worked for Babcock’s in Renfrew in the 80s. Back then they had to modify roads to get huge sections of boiler components on to the motorways to build Drax Power Station. 40 years later and we’re doing the same thing although the trees we’re destroying are for green energy in the guise of wind turbines. Not just that, thought. Drax is now being subsidised to destroy North American trees to supply power to the grid. But not to worry, they plant new ones which one day (not in most peoples’ lifetime) will balance out the CO2 emitted. The fact that burning coal would produce less CO2 and the trees could still remove it are mere details in this odd eco world we live in.

  • @Gribbo9999
    @Gribbo9999 Рік тому +8

    The trees were mature plantation trees that would be cropped for timber in any case, with the preserved wood products, say for use in construction, holding carbon out of the atmosphere for many decades after felling. So really quite a good conversion of land in terms of reducing green house gasses long term.

  • @ryanmitcham5522
    @ryanmitcham5522 Рік тому +1

    Loved the hermes joke, it's the first time a video on youtube has made me actually laugh out loud for a long time. Cheers.

  • @charliebadger
    @charliebadger Рік тому +8

    "A racing Bridge". Love it :)

  • @brokengirl248
    @brokengirl248 Рік тому +1

    Brilliant video again. Thanks John
    Wishing you well hope your OK xx

  • @sylviodante619
    @sylviodante619 Рік тому +6

    16,000,000 trees
    That’s some wood

    • @damiendye6623
      @damiendye6623 Рік тому +7

      he hasn't said that they have removed non native specie and replaced them with native ones which is better for the enviroment overall.

    • @frmcf
      @frmcf Рік тому +11

      Worth noting that it is all man-made managed forest. These trees are a cash crop, not pristine forest, so not such a big deal to clear them

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 Рік тому

      A lot of pallets.

    • @richardwebb5317
      @richardwebb5317 6 місяців тому

      @@paulsengupta971 And houses!

  • @mm7wabanamateurradiowomble30

    @Auto_Shenanigans Hello again John!. Looks like You were a few miles from oor wee village in the hills. That tight bend with junction to Craigs Road was really hard to get out of sometimes before modifications were made. It used to be very hard to see to the left and there were many accidents with vehicles from the South shunting vehicles that were joining the main road from Craigs Road. The modifications made this a much safer junction making out monthly trip into town is a wee bit safer than it was.. And those trucks were flippin' monstrous at close quarters! - Stay safe out there!.

  • @adamcowood7553
    @adamcowood7553 Рік тому +3

    Is there a special wind turbine blade licence you need to drive that half Titanic length around town? I also read that if one blade is damaged in transit, they have to scrap all 3 blades for that turbine. Due to being balanced to only work with the other 2. Not sure how true that is but sounds plausible.

    • @cyberleaderandy1
      @cyberleaderandy1 Рік тому

      Probably true as blade in a plane engine turbine are definately balanced during assembly to stop vibration.

    • @Cheezsoup
      @Cheezsoup Рік тому +2

      Sounds a bit like, adding a (postage) stamp to a helicopter blade will destabilise it .
      Sounds plausible, but more than two seconds thought will illustrate what a heap that idea is.

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 Рік тому

      I wouldn't say scrap - I would suspect they'd be matched with other blades to be balanced. I suspect you can also balance blades by adding or removing material.

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada Рік тому

      If they can balance the blades once, they can re-balance them later. (If you have to say or think 'not sure how true that is', maybe the info doesn't need to be shared, or should be re-phrased as a question instead of a statement.)

    • @eurodaily
      @eurodaily Рік тому +1

      You can drive it on a normal LGV 1 licence ive a video on my channel of a ex stobbart driver doing a 32m 100 ton bridge beam

  • @oliverwilliams3572
    @oliverwilliams3572 Рік тому +1

    The Evri sequence made me laugh far harder than it should have 😅

  • @billy4072
    @billy4072 Рік тому +3

    I'm impressed , your Gaelic has come on. You got Ayr ..bang on . ✅😂

    • @auldfouter8661
      @auldfouter8661 Рік тому +1

      I was disappointed with his rendition of Dalmellington though. What's wrong with Da'mel't'n ?

  • @JamesAnderson-fv3yo
    @JamesAnderson-fv3yo Рік тому +1

    Same thing got done in Dundee a few years ago for wind turbine components ended up putting a lane right through the middle of a roundabout (circle for the locals😂).

  • @stusmith1074
    @stusmith1074 Рік тому +3

    Why not just have a gated road straight across the roundabout like they do around Stoke on Trent area for transportation of massive turbines built by GEC Alsthom.

  • @ldnwholesale8552
    @ldnwholesale8552 Рік тому +1

    Aaaahh the great windpower con. Lovely green concrete towers and lovely non recyclable composite blades, with a service life of maybe 15 years. And only generates when the wind is blowing,,, and the price of electricty on the market is enough, mean very expensive. So baseload power stations are required that can generate 24/7 365.

  • @notapnala
    @notapnala 5 місяців тому +4

    Why didn’t they just close the roundabout for 10 minutes while the lorry’s went the wrong way round for the one exit required, instead of facilitating the madness of going all the way round to take the third exit?!

    • @malphadour
      @malphadour 5 місяців тому +1

      I was thinking exactly the same thing - the road was going to be closed anyway - so why go around the roundabout??

    • @GeorgeJarvis-o6i
      @GeorgeJarvis-o6i 5 місяців тому +1

      Because the inmates are running the asylum 👍

    • @PeterBurnett-z7h
      @PeterBurnett-z7h 5 місяців тому

      Going the wrong way round on a right turn makes it a tighter corner which makes the problem worse if you have a longer vehicle.

    • @tumshie1960
      @tumshie1960 5 місяців тому +1

      That roundabout is 4 lanes wide so gives plenty of space to go round the correct way, to go round the wrong way is a tighter turn due to the angle the A77 from the south is to the roundabout.

  • @scotbotvideos
    @scotbotvideos Рік тому +1

    Love that EVRI dig.

  • @weebolddavy
    @weebolddavy Рік тому +4

    Spare a thought for us in Wales where we would die for roads as good as Scotland's.
    Our 'government' are about to spend £32 Million changing EVERY 30mph road into a 20mph limit in September. They're spending that money despite local authorities having to make huge spending cuts because of a £340 Million deficit. If you're visiting Wales you better allow more time for your journeys!

    • @itstheterranaut
      @itstheterranaut Рік тому +1

      Something's gotta pay for all those dual-language road signs.
      (I'm in Scotland, and jesting of course)

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 Рік тому

      Yep, as a Welshman, it's stupid and unnecessary, and is just part of the Labour power trip.

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada Рік тому

      Reducing the speed limit through built-up / residential areas to 20mph sounds like a great idea to me.

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 Рік тому +2

      @@IstasPumaNevadaBut not on main roads.

    • @jonevansauthor
      @jonevansauthor Рік тому

      That's crazy and irrational. Cars are heading toward self driving, and even if that takes ten years, we simply won't need low speed limits anymore. Thankfully they aren't about to spend £1.5 billion on trams of all things.

  • @corroded
    @corroded Рік тому +1

    "So it's now a racing bridge" ... you're lucky I finished my tea!!

  • @neiljones5772
    @neiljones5772 Рік тому +3

    Trying to fit these components along roads is the kind of thing I do most every day so I really enjoyed the video and I couldn't be bothered to trawl all the comments but £67M is for the whole windfarm project - the public road improvements would be a significantly lower figure.

  • @andy2200a
    @andy2200a Рік тому

    Dont know how ive come across this channel, but i can't stop watching them. Ive travelled these roads a lot the last 2 years and was unaware of this til now.

  • @tedcopple101
    @tedcopple101 Рік тому +6

    Just had a week in Edinburgh and in all the many towns and cities I've been to I've never known a place where the traffic lights and crossings were so close together. On one section on our way to Leith there was precisely 2 car lengths between two sets of traffic lights. Surprisingly there was a large build up of traffic behind it, completely unnecessarily so.

    • @nicholasmaycock267
      @nicholasmaycock267 Рік тому

      Barely a junction in Edinburgh without traffic lights and separate pedestrian crossings between those Junctions. Traffic light salesmans dream.

    • @annabelholland
      @annabelholland Рік тому

      Has it got something to do with the trams? They have been running there since june 2023 (or march 2023 for testing purposes) and trams normally get priority subject to traffic.

  • @danielmarshall4587
    @danielmarshall4587 Рік тому

    How splendid to have this mid week video many thanks AND the heavy haulage specialist in your vid has a depot here in Happyfax.

  • @juncusbufonius
    @juncusbufonius Рік тому +9

    I agree with @AndyHullMcPenguin those 16 million trees have very little value both environmentally and economically. There was a big push post WWII to plant conifer plantations. The problem is in the highlands they replaced Caledonian forests which have a high environmental value with timber that is likely only good for pulping (paper & mdf). We planted trees that will not compete on the market with Scandinavia or NW USA trees. Remember these were planted with grants so the incentive was higher than their value. In effect the wind turbines are a win win scenario since the conifer plantations are dead places on the ground unlike native Scottish forests or broadleaved hard woods lower down and of course the reduction in CO2 benefits everyone not just the Scots. There is a lot of restoration work to be done in the UK as a whole. I've been an ecologist for 30yrs and only now is restoration happening where before it was a Canute like holding back of destruction as much as possible. The Wildlife Trusts are aiming for 30x30. That is 30% of the land in a good state for wildlife by 2030. Support your local wildlife groups to help. In my county we have somewhere in the region of 15-20% to go to get that result but it is achievable and whatever we do is better that losing it.

    • @richardwebb5317
      @richardwebb5317 6 місяців тому

      There is value - we have a problem now with the forestry cycles having a dip with fewer plantations at harvest time - and house building is at a high level. Sitka is a valuable timber, houses are built using it. Very few old growth Caledonian forest was replaced. Most of it had already gone centuries ago. Having said that, a fair bit of Dumfriesshire heads to Chirk to make chipboard and windthrow ruins many coupes.

  • @PpVolto
    @PpVolto Рік тому +1

    To note a Wooden brige is a "Hard Surface" what i think you say there installed a "Load Bearing surfaces" thats why the rework in the middle of the road before the roundabout. First most areas of that type can be used as loadbearing surface for up to 12 times a year (depending on location and structure presend) with additional usage of massive Steel plates to spread the load on the soil and stone stucture more than that and the structure needs to be replaced. Replacing it first with the modifications allows them to use that for the next 25+ years and every change now keeps the cost for changes to a minimum for that same timeframe.

  • @PenryMMJ
    @PenryMMJ Рік тому +56

    I'm not convinced that work would have cost £67 million if it was paid for by the companies building the windfarms. But when it's being paid for by the green energy levy that's added onto everyone's electricity bill, then I'm a bit surprised that they didn't charge even more.

    • @England58
      @England58 Рік тому

      The Green levy is yet another example of making ordinary people pay through the nose to support this Globalist ideology along with Ulez's, heat pumps, car scrappage, gas boiler scrappage, oil boiler scrappage etc etc.😡

    • @WeeShoeyDugless
      @WeeShoeyDugless Рік тому +6

      You don't get a whole lot for 67 million nowadays when it comes to road/rail construction.
      It wouldn't surprise me if that wasnt a rather conservative figure.

    • @551moley
      @551moley Рік тому +14

      The job cost £1 million, the heath and safety B/S cost £66 million, including a few brown envelopes to grease a few palms.

    • @katrinabryce
      @katrinabryce Рік тому +5

      Replacing a mini roundabout with a set of traffic lights near me cost them £950,000 15 years ago.

    • @MummaBear
      @MummaBear Рік тому

      Turbines use energy from the grid to get them going🤦‍♀️
      Government are chucking money at "green" companies because the MP's invest in these latest scams.

  • @billybean8859
    @billybean8859 Рік тому +1

    Another information packed video from the constantly brilliant Johnny two hats

  • @thesuperknot_
    @thesuperknot_ Рік тому +4

    I first heard about this on Lateral with Tom Scott and was hoping someone would come along with details. Thank you!

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 Рік тому +1

      I was going to mention that. When I saw that episode I immediately thought of wind turbine components having to be transported.

    • @GlensTransport
      @GlensTransport Рік тому +1

      Tom Scott doing his usual "one example of a thing means this is everywhere" hyperbole.
      Like his questionable claims about vinegar and chip shops.

  • @BeanoMark
    @BeanoMark Рік тому +2

    Aerial drone super footage of widened roads with a parked Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab!

  • @user-ug8wx5er1w
    @user-ug8wx5er1w Рік тому +3

    My council spent £600k on one bus stop 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @rogersimmons8788
      @rogersimmons8788 Рік тому +3

      Blimey, my brother and I could have done it for half that!

    • @Scientist538
      @Scientist538 Рік тому +3

      government is the best at spending other peoples money

    • @richardwebb5317
      @richardwebb5317 6 місяців тому

      @@Scientist538 Never needed a school, hospital or road then? Well done!

    • @Scientist538
      @Scientist538 6 місяців тому

      @@richardwebb5317 government sucks at funding these, they just give out the contract to 'private companies' their pals run and leak the auction data to them so they always win then they overspend and deliver late. Much better to let the public self organise.

  • @georgeross9834
    @georgeross9834 6 місяців тому +1

    Shame the uk doesn’t build anything apart from foodbank shops seems all the manufacturing work was overseas

  • @badabing8884
    @badabing8884 Рік тому +4

    Put them up near Trump’s golf course. It’ll drive him mad.

    • @barrieshepherd7694
      @barrieshepherd7694 Рік тому +2

      Great idea - can we start a Crowdfunding for that - and add a Solar Farm as well.

    • @richardwebb5317
      @richardwebb5317 6 місяців тому

      He's already there.

  • @saintuk70
    @saintuk70 Рік тому +1

    Lol - love the "not to scale" ;)

  • @nigelnightmare4160
    @nigelnightmare4160 6 місяців тому +25

    Short answer:
    They didn't spend that amount on altering the road, most of it went to backhanders, bribes and motorhomes.

    • @RPaton
      @RPaton 6 місяців тому +1

      Operation Branchform?

  • @drewwithey7326
    @drewwithey7326 Рік тому +1

    I instantly "liked" this video for your Evri short! Classic!

  • @mikepalmer8
    @mikepalmer8 Рік тому +7

    Complaining about cutting down conifers that were planted as a crop is like complaining that they cut down wheat to make bread

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada Рік тому +2

      Indeed. Plus this windfarm takes up less area than the combined floor plans of the houses they power (per house, it's about 75% of the floor area of the average U.K. home), and produces 1/50th the CO2 per power generated of natural gas power plants (Scotland's largest power source in 2002).

    • @WeeShoeyDugless
      @WeeShoeyDugless Рік тому

      You don't cut wheat before its ripe and it shouldn't happen to conifer plantations either, many many of which these were.
      No excuses, it was wrong and it will prove itself to be wrong when the windmills go out of fashion in a decade or so.

  • @chrisshelley3027
    @chrisshelley3027 Рік тому +1

    You are right about EVRI, I've had quite a bit of stuff delivered by them and they just leave it on the doorstep in full view of anyone passing, a wind turbine would stand out quite a lot I'm guessing and the Twatts around here would have it weighed in minutes later if they noticed it.

    • @Ben_B_Artist
      @Ben_B_Artist Рік тому

      wait, you actually received your packages from Evri?

    • @chrisshelley3027
      @chrisshelley3027 Рік тому

      @@Ben_B_Artist some items, many I haven't but I don't know if they've been delivered then nicked.

  • @rikardottosson1272
    @rikardottosson1272 Рік тому +48

    Vattenfall is a Swedish state-owned energy company. The name means "waterfall", so yea, they mostly did hydropower, but clearly they've branched out to destroying ecosystems in Scotland.

    • @heroinwithease
      @heroinwithease Рік тому +2

      The Swedish are trying to drag us down with them

    • @FortuneZer0
      @FortuneZer0 Рік тому +6

      Strange. I was under the impression the scottish were perfectly capable of doing that on their own.

    • @anperson8329
      @anperson8329 Рік тому +3

      I'm guessing they had an itch they felt they needed to scratch after having to sell those coal plants in Germany.

    • @4879daniel
      @4879daniel Рік тому +2

      And Norwegian companies have taken over the coast for fish farming.

    • @flyingpanhandle
      @flyingpanhandle Рік тому +2

      Yeah screw em. Lets burn coal instead.
      At least trees can be replaced.

  • @lp9280
    @lp9280 Рік тому +16

    So let me get this straight - tax payers paid for road widening, so that private company can transport wind turbines and sell the energy for profit?! Are they paying back £67 million? Or am I missing anything?

    • @flyingpanhandle
      @flyingpanhandle Рік тому +5

      Yes, through taxes. Windfarms already pay more tax than oil and gas exploration, yet get a fraction of their subsidies.

    • @RichardWatt
      @RichardWatt Рік тому

      It's the Scottish government- they're officially off the rails.

    • @Malc180s
      @Malc180s Рік тому +1

      If that's the case it's about the best deal the SNP have ever struck.

    • @lp9280
      @lp9280 Рік тому +2

      @@flyingpanhandle taxes from oil, even if not exploration itself, raises 28 billion a year.
      So at least from tax perspective oil pays a lot.

    • @KindredBrujah
      @KindredBrujah 5 місяців тому +2

      No, the company building and operating the wind farm will have paid for the public road improvements required to get their turbines to site.

  • @dalriada842
    @dalriada842 5 місяців тому +1

    Evri delivery drivers must be the same everywhere, then. I laughed at the fragile parcel being kicked. It's so true to life. That and parcels being abandoned on front doorsteps in full view of any passing thief.

  • @struanpeat5116
    @struanpeat5116 Рік тому +9

    if you ever want to cover a non-motorway with a wild story from start to end (litterally) check out the A9

  • @skidartist5720
    @skidartist5720 Рік тому

    From above on the roundabout at 0.40 you can see the hedges that used to line the lane that existed before the Ayr bypass was built

  • @blah7956
    @blah7956 Рік тому +5

    Just bite the bullet and build nuclear.

    • @RichardWatt
      @RichardWatt Рік тому +2

      The SNP don't like nuclear - they'd have to be voted out in favour of a party that would build nuclear power stations.

    • @barrieshepherd7694
      @barrieshepherd7694 Рік тому

      @@RichardWatt So double benefit then 😂

  • @Kevin-mx1vi
    @Kevin-mx1vi Рік тому +2

    Collett's is a company local to me. I knew they specialise in unusual loads, but not *that* unusual !

  • @typhoon2827
    @typhoon2827 Рік тому +13

    There's no fucking way that lot cost £67m but I'm not surprised. Money goes missing in Scotland, willy-nilly since devolution...

    • @Parker_Douglas
      @Parker_Douglas 6 місяців тому

      Probably funding Hamas remember all them secret meetings Humza had with foreign ministers without the foreign secretary there.

  • @ericjames9475
    @ericjames9475 5 місяців тому

    Good information,good speedy presentation.

  • @Divisibly9610
    @Divisibly9610 Рік тому +8

    Not sure if you realised this or not, but trees do grow back. They will also will replant native species which is generally better for an ecosystem.
    I get that it was an easy jab though, so I'll let you off. Loving your videos as usual!

    • @smelge
      @smelge Рік тому +6

      They also tend to build the windfarms in forests that are managed for wood production anyway, so they would have been felled then replanted anyway.

    • @CycolacFan
      @CycolacFan Рік тому +3

      The wind turbines last, what 25-30 years? Then they can cut down all the trees again to dig the hole to bury the bits that can’t be recycled 🙂

    • @Cheezsoup
      @Cheezsoup Рік тому +2

      And newly planted (I.E.young) trees capture more carbon than mature trees .
      And those miles and miles of Conifers are Forestry commision anyway (crop trees) and should be replaced with geneticaly diverse native trees .
      A bit of a hobby horse of mine, people go on about "ah Scotland miles and miles of trees", but they are all one species normal trees don't grow like that the trees should be of diverse species and of all different ages.

    • @Divisibly9610
      @Divisibly9610 Рік тому

      @@CycolacFan I understand, but what's the problem with burying waste? If it's inert bury it. The earth is huge, we can and should be burying this stuff until it makes sense to recycle.
      To put this into perspective, the EU will discard about 650k tons of blades between 2044 and 2049, or 130k tons per year. That's less than 300 grams per EU citizen.

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada Рік тому

      @@CycolacFan Taking into account manufacture, installation, maintenance, and end-of-life disposal/recycling, wind turbines still only produce about 1/50th the CO2 (or equivalent) per power generated that a natural gas power plant does.
      Unless you're going to convince people to stop using electricity, wind turbines are a great option.

  • @Ayrshore
    @Ayrshore Рік тому

    I knew that roundabout as soon as I saw the thumbnail! And yes, I'd seen the modifications. There had already been previous modifications to the King Street roundabout next to the now abandoned police station in Ayr 20+ years ago for a previous windfarm. Again, swapping central reservation for tarmac and hatchings.

  • @Galerak1
    @Galerak1 Рік тому +10

    Excellent job tracking down that £67 million Jon, I didn't realise the SNP were that keen on keeping records about where the money was spent 😁😂

  • @andrewthorne6653
    @andrewthorne6653 Рік тому +1

    Love the sarcasm keep up the good work

    • @AutoShenanigans
      @AutoShenanigans  Рік тому

      Cheers mate, thanks for watching!

    • @andrewthorne6653
      @andrewthorne6653 Рік тому

      @@AutoShenanigans thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment it means a lot. Take care hope you have a nice day

  • @BunnyKins1970
    @BunnyKins1970 Рік тому +14

    Play fair now....those trees, like the Whitelees forest, were planted as a crop and were always intended to be felled. The fact they are replaced with windfarms is a happy outcome. They could just as easily have been a massive housing scheme which would require power rather than producing it. 😁
    💚🐇🐴💚

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada Рік тому +2

      Indeed. Also, that's about 0.01 acres of land to power a home, or less than the floor area of an average U.K. home, for a power source that produces about 1/50th the CO2 of something like a natural gas plant. Renewable energy _is_ fantastic.

    • @rdouthwaite
      @rdouthwaite Рік тому

      @@IstasPumaNevada you do still need to factor in area of the road built to access each turbine.

    • @WillCamx
      @WillCamx Рік тому +1

      ​@@IstasPumaNevadaHow much CO2 was produced making the wind turbines and transporting them?

    • @markfox1545
      @markfox1545 Рік тому

      Brainwashed idiot - no wind turbine EVER produces enough power in its lifetime to even account for the energy used to build, transport, erect, maintain and dispose of it. Every one is a net drain of energy.

    • @richardwebb5317
      @richardwebb5317 6 місяців тому

      Housing scheme - guess where a lot of those trees end up.

  • @jobbiejew
    @jobbiejew Рік тому +2

    Yay! Finally my area!
    A719 - better known as Whitletts Road.

  • @markarnold8160
    @markarnold8160 Рік тому +2

    To think how much is spent on feasability studies for this sort of thing, and there's a man in Northamptonshire wearing a Peaky Blinder cap who could tell them it's a carbon positive situation for much less. Bravo Jon!

  • @niallh8129
    @niallh8129 Рік тому

    When they built a wind farm on the hills above Rossendale in Lancashire all the kit was brought in via Hull and transported over the M62, when it came to going up the M66 the trucks carrying the loads would have to do a full loop of the M60 to avoid Siminster island....

  • @clivefrear1784
    @clivefrear1784 11 місяців тому +3

    Jesus wept! Common sense has left the building!

    • @xaiano794
      @xaiano794 6 місяців тому +1

      has it? the wind farm generates that much money in just 5 months - seems like a very sensible investment

    • @clivefrear1784
      @clivefrear1784 6 місяців тому

      @@xaiano794 then why did the SNP sell the leases to the biggest onshore and offshore wind farms to foreign-owned energy suppliers? And who’s paying all this money they’ve generated? Us or government subsidies?

    • @xaiano794
      @xaiano794 6 місяців тому

      @clivefrear1784 because they offered the most money. Duh.
      They operate in the same way as regular power plants, selling electricity to the grid through a time auction system that is run by the national grid to manage supply and demand.
      Edit : subsidies? What are you talking about? You used the word subsidy, that is where the government pays you to do something. You earlier said that the company pays for the lease which is the precise opposite of a subsidy.
      I get the feeling you're not viewing this project logically and have some preheld beliefs, otherwise you wouldn't be contradicting yourself in your own post

    • @clivefrear1784
      @clivefrear1784 6 місяців тому

      @@xaiano794 OK, we’ll leave it there. I feel there are aspects of this scenario that are causing a disagreement over differing perspectives.

    • @xaiano794
      @xaiano794 6 місяців тому

      @clivefrear1784 my point exactly, money isn't subjective and you clearly aren't interested in the facts.

  • @Hornedbear
    @Hornedbear Рік тому

    Another very informative video, Thank you John.

  • @ianstewartorr8455
    @ianstewartorr8455 Рік тому +4

    Holyrood and the SNP have been full of wind for years and years

  • @tobyjackman3212
    @tobyjackman3212 Рік тому +1

    This is the best video I've ever seen about anything

  • @TCO345
    @TCO345 11 місяців тому +7

    why go round clock wise ?. Just stop the traffic and turn right at the roundabout ffs.

    • @John64125
      @John64125 6 місяців тому +1

      Don’t think it would work. It would need more space on the right. The way they approached it the roundabout is in the middle of a really wide right turn. The blades are lifted above most obstacles, height isn’t usually the issue, it’s the length of the things that causes the problem.