Really nice to see MVG comment on 8-Bit Guy's channel. This is just great. I also see Anders Enger Jensen in the comment area. All that is missing is LGR :P
I've actually pictured how the conversation would go and I think the ladies at the salon probably got a big kick out of learning that their bleaching product also restores those ugly beige computer cases back to a nice off-white color. Then again, that's only if the ladies at the salon are old enough to know what these computer cases even looked like. If they are too young then they probably just go "ohhhhh ok" and think he's probably some weirdo. He probably told them what he uses it for when he went to buy it and they were like, "Oh honey you need to STOP doing this you're making your hair all fall out!" and then he tells them and they all have a laugh. Then there's an older lady in the chair getting her hair done and she overhears this and she knows what those ugly beige boxes look like and she gets it and maybe she's got a husband whose got an old Commodore 64 in the basement and she asks if maybe he can can restore that as a surprise for her husband and then you know I need to stop thinking about this and start my day already what am I doing with my life
Ya know, a while back I was thinking "Why do people watch youtube videos of people cleaning their houses?" and then I realized what I was watching someone clean a computer...
Actually I watch this, because I want to do the same some day. I have few old keyboards, monitors and computer cases I want to retrobright. But I don't know where to find chemicals to do this, I don't seem to find these in shops. Maybe order via online shops, but I don't really know how expensive this gonna be....
It's difficult to find this H2O2 chemical in Middle Asia, where I'm located for the time being. Maybe I have to try to search it in Russia, which is nearby.
Rice Krizpy don't be so dramatic, it's an inconvenience for international viewers (read: everyone but americans) that he took away by a simple edit in the video. We thank him for taking the time to convert this for us!
You should go to a laboratory supply store, they should have 30% H2O2 and more in bigger jugs, it will be a lot cheaper then hair products, and as it is more concentrated, you need less of it, so a win win :) anyway I love your channel! Very much inspiring.
If you're ok with the mental gymnastics, just remember five ninths of (F minus 32), or of course an easier approximation is half of F-32 and add a tenth (thus, for the latter, to convert say 100F, gives 68 with the 32 off, half that is 34, add a tenth gives 37.4, vs. the correct answer which is 37.78; pretty close!). In the UK it's funny, the media and many people will tend to refer to F temps when it's hot ("Blimey, must be in the 90s today..."), but we switch to C when it's cold. :D
Typical room temperature is 70 degrees. 60 degrees is sort of chilly. 80 degrees is hot. 90 degrees is very hot. 100 degrees is hotter than my state (Maine) ever gets except on rare occasions. States in the South, and especially in the Southwest, routinely reach and exceed 100 degrees. 0 doesn't mean anything in Fahrenheit. 32 degrees is the freezing point of water. 100 doesn't mean anything either. 212 degrees is the boiling point of water.
@@MaximRecoil : the very defenition of 100°F is the body temperature of Mr Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686-1736). He was a little bit off, but this was back in the 18th century. I'm just pointing out that you wrote "100F doesn't mean anything".
Any 3M double sided tape should work really well. I use the stuff on lots of projects. I use the thick stuff, but for that I would get the clear thin stuff.
Informative and very well executed video, thanks for that! 2-component epoxy is worth trying, too. It forms a very tough bond, but requires 24h drying off and some screw clamps to add some pressure and therefore to finalize it properly in the end. With epoxy based adhesives, you can basically attach and fix anything outdoors as well as indoors. 7:10 To save some time, effort and energy why not just take out every key and wash them in a washing machine with other laundry in mild temperature? Collect all of the keyboard keys in a lingerie wash bag, for example, and voíla :) I use to wash everything in machine wash...
KoivuTheHab a lot of 3M tapes are considered permanent solutions, and are cleaner than any glue. There is a reason original manufacturers use double sided tape and not glue.
Well, here in germany it's not better... above 30° Celsius for about 3-4 weeks now. Tomorrows expected temp is 36°C in my area in west germany O.o btw thanks for the video, I really enjoy seeing those restorations :)
Thank you VERY much for converting Fahrenheit to Celsius. It may seem like a stupid thing to mention but it's really important since us europeans don't really use Fahrenheit... Never. Thanks.
Never ceases to amaze me how much dirt these old computers gather over the years and how much of a difference really cleaning them actually does. Good job, again!
I saw that W being wrongfully placed immediately, and I thought to myself: "what kind of keyboard layout is that?" Haven't seen anything like it before. Could it be some Commodore weird layout? Hmm...
Regarding the keyboard feet: Stick with double-sided tape! You went with double-sided tape to reattach the TRS-80 Color Computer badge because that's what was originally used; makes sense here, too.
I restored a keyboard for an old Dell keyboard. I disassembled it and just popped the whole assembly in the dishwasher (minus the PCB obviously) with only the tiniest amount of soap made for fine china and a dash of baking soda. I used the silver were basket for the keys because it closed up and kept them from being flung out. The parts came out spotless with no damage at all. I've since used this method on other plastic only parts and had great success in cleaning parts with it.
riyuma1990ri riyuma1990ri That's nice. We all come to this channel to enjoy seeing the information it provides and you decide to be uncivil. Well done.
I clean my keyboard out once every 3 months and despite how careful I am it still impresses and disturbs me how much crap gets down to the protective tray.
He needs like 4 to 6 paving stones that fit in the container. Stack them into the container until you're just below the lip at the top with the parts in there. You're going to displace a lot of water, so it should work out the same, but now you're at the top of the container and the shadow cast by the sides is not as big of a deal.
Looking great! I should have put you to work on my C128D when you visited Norway earlier... it really needs some retrobriting too. ^_^ (Nah, just kidding)
I really like that you are so meticulously telling and showing every moment of cleaning "here the box turned so; here the detail was put ..." =). Thanks so much for the video!
I've heard a variation of this saying everywhere I've ever been, and in every case, it's been accompanied with something like "we have a saying around here..." At this point, I'm thinking it's more like a global constant!
Re the silicone: It looks like you placed the silicone in the centre of the feet. Would've been better on the edges of the feet, since there's the screw in the centre.
Thank you David for taking the time to record and edit the restorations for us! I do quite enjoy them! My only mistake was watching while eating lunch and having to gag a little when seeing all the grime inside the keyboard! Haha
Doubt that would work. He's using sun light because there's a significant UV component to it. And it's surprising how many substances (including many transparent plastics) block UV.
You are a true artisan in the craft of vintage computer restorations. As always, I enjoy watching you work with the detailed step-by-step breakdowns and attention to miniscule details. Splendid work.
I'm the Channel Data Systems guy that posted on your PET video, Part 1. I had a complete Commodore 128 system, including all the hardware and all the software that had been written for it. I ended up giving it to a guy who was starting a microcomputer museum. I believe he lived in Lompoc, CA at the time. It was brand new, in the original boxes.
The US C128D (or C128DCR) has a metal case but a plastic front, explaining why the front is slightly yellow and the case itself is pretty much original color
I really like your dedication to restoring old computers, especially Commodores. I was born after their heyday and enjoy learning about them. We have a similar saying about the weather in Michigan, except it's "wait 5 minutes."
I love how you still use that AirPort router, even though it's 15 years old. Just goes to show how a lot of old technologies can still be used today and work just fine.
thank you for including metric for temperatures. it's a small thing but goes a long way - since you live in the US and by default use imperial, i salute you for this, sir. : )
For the keyboard keys, you might want to consider getting a small ultrasonic cleaner. I used it to remove mould release grease from my resin model kits, using some proper degreaser, I usually observe improvement in just a few minutes and will just need a light rinse and scrub afterwards.
ha! Funny! But you made an assumption - that he also placed the F key where the W goes. Instead, he could have messed up even more keys instead of just switching those two :)
Oh thank the high heavens, he's back folks... HE'S BACK! David, you really deserved a vacation and I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping you and the family truly enjoyed it, but I'm sure I'm also not alone in saying that we just have to chain you to your desk so you never do it again! Welcome back! :)
My first ever computer was a normal packard bell PC. And I'm in the UK. I never owned a spectrum, or an amiga or an amstrad and definitely not a Commodore... So why do I enjoy watching these restoration videos so much? This is great.
@kamalindsey yeah, but I'm not gonna exit the app of UA-cam to go to the calculator to do that. I prefer to continue watching the video. And if the creator of the video shows the temperature in the more standardized Celsius I'm gonna be more happy due to the fact that I'll know the temperature. I'm not trying to imply anything.
I have some insight on the silicone. I do a lot of prop making, and work with a few different silicones regularly. Silicone will not chemically stick to anything but itself. The only way it can bond to anything else is mechanically. When you use that silicone to calk around a tub for example (one of its intended uses), it is gripping into the cracks around the tub. Because neither the rubber feet, nor the plastic are particularly porous, there is nothing to grip. All that being said, it was deeply satisfying to see that machine come to life :) I have a 128 on my shelf right now that i've been dying to get set up and working.
I remember "repairing" my brother's C128D in the 80ies … It fell off my bike (had a little accident) and the disk drive was loose, dumping around internally. When I arrived at my friend's home, we opened it up and noticed that the board also broke off its mounts. As we didn't have proper parts to fix this mess, we used a lighter ans some way-too-big screws to melt the board back again - and two empty toilet rolls to press the floppy drive back in its place. My brother never noticed, anything had happened to his computer. And it ran without any problems for many years. Those things were built like a tank.
In my experience, the quickest (and most thorough) was of cleaning plastics prior to retrobrighting is to dismantle - and then put them in the dishwasher. The cutlery basket is perfect for small components like keys - but be sure to tie it shut or you'll be playing hunt the missing part in the dishwasher for ages afterward! I've done everything from old computers through to my Laserwriter 8500 in this manner. The printer being by far the largest parts that I've processed in this way. Also, that's a daily driver device - so if there was any problem with my process, I'd have spotted it in the printer right away!
How wonderful your day becomes when you come home from a long day at school and find a notification for a new 8 bit guy video. Great to have you back and hope you enjoyed your vacation.
Abbreviated Reviews the reaction has more to do with heat than uv light. Personally, using the stove and a double boiler pot would be more efficient, but hey...
I've been watching these nonstop, and while the whole video always is awesome, the best part is almost always the intro. I get reminded of watching those really weird, goofy educational movies as a 90s school kid.
@@MoundN Look, for a channel that has 900 000 subscribers, do you really think he has the time to read all the comments he receives !? And if you send him an email that's relevant to the topic, he will answer you.
@@MoundN Yeah, I've read your comment, so the only way you can contact him is via email. He uploaded more than 200 videos, do you think he have time to answer the thousands of comments.
Save some peroxide by simply tilting the plastic container with a brick underneath one end. This will both reduced the amount of water needed = less peroxide and also works perfect for wedged shapes. Keep up the good work!
Just a quick comment to say "Thank you!" for making these videos. The standard C128 was my 1st computer ever and the nostalgia is crazy when I watch your videos, I'd love to own one again... I regret ever selling my original C128 with drive, monitor, printer, 1200 baud modem, and a ton of software, though it did provide the funds needed to buy my 1st x86 based machine.
Minor correction: that is a C-128DCR. The "CR" means "cost-reduced," which it was compared to the C-128D that was primarily sold outside of North America. One of the cost reductions involved deleting the 60mm cooling fan that was mounted on the power supply sub-chassis. It's a simple matter to install a fan, whichwill help in prolonging the life of those all-but-impossible-to-replace custom CSG chips, such as the 8502 MPU, 8568 VDC, etc.
seeing you struggle with that black box and the sunlight makes me cringe every time, just get another one and bust out the hacksaw to this one to make it lower!
Jens Johansson no. The h2o2 releases the oxigen and becomes regular water. It's not practical to capture the gas and re insert in the water. You just buy more. What he could do is make a more sealed container to preserve more of the gas and use less
Agreed, this isn't a restoration. No checking of the power supply, caps, or even adding heat sinks where needed. Call the video what it is, "Cleaning the Commodore 128D"
I totally agree, this type of psu is know to fail dramatically. Rifa filter cap will blow and the United Chemi-con SM caps should be replaced with new SMG's to be sure it will not fail. I've seen so much short out and take the motherboard with them... This video is just about external cleaning, not a proper restauration/overhaul.
I watched this video once about a week ago and looking at this comment I know you are referring to the part about the weather changing without even clicking the timestamp. Hello from Maine. :)
1. keyboard: you left out the electronic board inside; a shoddy job on cleaning the inside too; there's still visible traces of gunk as you assemble it; 2. always use a tool made of softer material than the one you are working with, lest you want to leave a significant mark, is what I have heard from a woodworking guy. 3. still, you drive a channel I enjoy. I think the content's cool (aside of aforementioned suggestions), and it's well presented.
You can use the laundry powder to clean the keys. It is pretty simple: you need to pour keys into a plastic bag, then add a handful of powder and fill the bag with water. Then you need to shake the bag well for a couple of minutes and the keys will be clean.
Holy hell 44 degrees celsius on the tarmac. Back here in Holland we're dieing from 30 degree days, and you just keep trucking on. Massive respect. I definitely recognise the vanishing of several hours when cleaning the keys. Had that happen on my c64. Cleaning away, and when I'm done, look out the window; Pitch black. Look over at the clock; Midnight. Haven't had dinner yet. What happened? :D Luckily I had a microwave meal in the fridge.
I showed my Electronics and Computer Science teacher your Osborne One video, and he loved it
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Discovered your channel a week ago and I'm watching basically all restoration videos haha. It's so great to see things get nice again. I don't know if you like it, but I would also love to check old game consoles restoration. Tried to look for those on UA-cam and couldn't find a nice one like yours.
There's just something relaxing about watching a man spray down his computer with a hose in his driveway.
Dirty boy..
Dont forget the sox, sometimes up to his knees.. 😁
It puts the lotion on the keys or else it gets the hose again.
dude I thought I was crazy, it's like asmrish rite
Forcingmetouseafakename Remindsmeofmcrsoft "hello it support? Have you tried hosing it down?"
Don't think we missed that W key placement at 11:38!
Ha i knew it
Same
Whoops
Normally I miss stuff like this but I caught this first time. I wonder what that says about me...
i saw it too.. at first i was like "wait. is the keyboard on a c128 different?" and flash forward to see it change
i wasnt initially sure you really needed to retrobright the case, but i think it turned out very well. good stuff
Greetings MVG, how's things down under?
Really nice to see MVG comment on 8-Bit Guy's channel. This is just great.
I also see Anders Enger Jensen in the comment area. All that is missing is LGR :P
Retrobrighting is the best part!
I feel like he forgot to retrobright the keys.
I was never expecting you here!
The people in the store must be like:
"why is this balding man buying 20l of Peroxide every month"?
Blonde pubes?
I've actually pictured how the conversation would go and I think the ladies at the salon probably got a big kick out of learning that their bleaching product also restores those ugly beige computer cases back to a nice off-white color. Then again, that's only if the ladies at the salon are old enough to know what these computer cases even looked like. If they are too young then they probably just go "ohhhhh ok" and think he's probably some weirdo. He probably told them what he uses it for when he went to buy it and they were like, "Oh honey you need to STOP doing this you're making your hair all fall out!" and then he tells them and they all have a laugh. Then there's an older lady in the chair getting her hair done and she overhears this and she knows what those ugly beige boxes look like and she gets it and maybe she's got a husband whose got an old Commodore 64 in the basement and she asks if maybe he can can restore that as a surprise for her husband and then
you know I need to stop thinking about this and start my day already what am I doing with my life
@@leomdk939 uh huh
"i'm youtuber with over million of sub" - should be sufficient.
I wonder if he tells them why.
"HONEY" "What" "The neighbor is putting old computers in a bin full of water again"
Ya know, a while back I was thinking "Why do people watch youtube videos of people cleaning their houses?" and then I realized what I was watching someone clean a computer...
Actually I watch this, because I want to do the same some day.
I have few old keyboards, monitors and computer cases I want to retrobright.
But I don't know where to find chemicals to do this, I don't seem to find these in shops. Maybe order via online shops, but I don't really know how expensive this gonna be....
Already done that. No success yet.
Especially with 40% ones, I've managed to find something close to 2 or 3% but that's not it.
It's difficult to find this H2O2 chemical in Middle Asia, where I'm located for the time being.
Maybe I have to try to search it in Russia, which is nearby.
There's videos of people cleaning their homes?
...I shouldn't be surprised though. They might be useful to watch.
I like cleaning as the end result is rewarding, well it is if you appreciate being clean etc.
Thanks for the temperatures in Celsius! 1:42
^This
If that's what concerns you in life.... IDK man.... Feelsbad.
Normal units yeah!
Rice Krizpy don't be so dramatic, it's an inconvenience for international viewers (read: everyone but americans) that he took away by a simple edit in the video. We thank him for taking the time to convert this for us!
I use both mostly C though
You should go to a laboratory supply store, they should have 30% H2O2 and more in bigger jugs, it will be a lot cheaper then hair products, and as it is more concentrated, you need less of it, so a win win :) anyway I love your channel! Very much inspiring.
Shay Shay
I was thinking that too!
The thing about that though is he may need some kind of licence or permit to buy laboratory grade products, even H2O2.
*than
Home science tools
@@davidducey9071 a quick search online found you can buy 34% jugs on amazon, so no permit needed.
I gotta tell you restoring keyboards is one of the most satisfying things on Earth.
I expected him to separate the circuit board from the black plastic piece. I suspect some crud got in between the two.
I know, the yellower the better it’s so satisfying seeing them turn bright white.
With black keyboard these days its no longer satisfying
That's a computer, not a keyboard.
No, it’s a keyboard. C128D has a separate keyboard, the computer is in the rectangular chassis
Thank you so much for those temperature conversions! That's so extremely helpful if you're not familiar with °F other than "0 is cold, 100 is hot"
If you're ok with the mental gymnastics, just remember five ninths of (F minus 32), or of course an easier approximation is half of F-32 and add a tenth (thus, for the latter, to convert say 100F, gives 68 with the 32 off, half that is 34, add a tenth gives 37.4, vs. the correct answer which is 37.78; pretty close!).
In the UK it's funny, the media and many people will tend to refer to F temps when it's hot ("Blimey, must be in the 90s today..."), but we switch to C when it's cold. :D
Typical room temperature is 70 degrees. 60 degrees is sort of chilly. 80 degrees is hot. 90 degrees is very hot. 100 degrees is hotter than my state (Maine) ever gets except on rare occasions. States in the South, and especially in the Southwest, routinely reach and exceed 100 degrees.
0 doesn't mean anything in Fahrenheit. 32 degrees is the freezing point of water. 100 doesn't mean anything either. 212 degrees is the boiling point of water.
@@MaximRecoil 100F is your average body temperature
@@stianstave76 The average body temperature is 98.x degrees F, but, what does average body temperature have to do with anything I said?
@@MaximRecoil : the very defenition of 100°F is the body temperature of Mr Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686-1736). He was a little bit off, but this was back in the 18th century.
I'm just pointing out that you wrote "100F doesn't mean anything".
Any 3M double sided tape should work really well. I use the stuff on lots of projects. I use the thick stuff, but for that I would get the clear thin stuff.
SeanHodgins I was thinking the same thing. Using any adhesive will prevent you from taking the keyboard apart again. Tape should do the trick.
I believe the original stuff used for these pads is '3M 465 transfer tape'. You can get it on Amazon or mcmaster.com.
3M tissue tape seems to be the closest match, the 12mm size should be
ideal. There's plenty on ebay.
Informative and very well executed video, thanks for that!
2-component epoxy is worth trying, too. It forms a very tough bond, but requires 24h drying off and some screw clamps to add some pressure and therefore to finalize it properly in the end. With epoxy based adhesives, you can basically attach and fix anything outdoors as well as indoors.
7:10
To save some time, effort and energy why not just take out every key and wash them in a washing machine with other laundry in mild temperature? Collect all of the keyboard keys in a lingerie wash bag, for example, and voíla :) I use to wash everything in machine wash...
KoivuTheHab a lot of 3M tapes are considered permanent solutions, and are cleaner than any glue. There is a reason original manufacturers use double sided tape and not glue.
"It's so hot here, 30°C is just too much ! Oh great, a new video from David !"
*Sees the temperature in Texas, faints immediately*
François Bergmans yeah it's complete hell
anyone who lives in Canada in a nutshell
Well, here in germany it's not better... above 30° Celsius for about 3-4 weeks now.
Tomorrows expected temp is 36°C in my area in west germany O.o
btw thanks for the video, I really enjoy seeing those restorations :)
110° F / 42° C in Austin, mofos! ;/
Yeah in Toronto 33 c is as high it normally gets...
Oh shit he's back
????? For what?
Oshtwaddap?
Woohoo! He’s back folks!!
Jenney he was gone for a few episodes while on vacation
It's cuz he never went black
Thank you VERY much for converting Fahrenheit to Celsius. It may seem like a stupid thing to mention but it's really important since us europeans don't really use Fahrenheit... Never. Thanks.
As an American I feel your pain every time I watch a documentary or anything from the rest of the world I'm constantly using my unit converter.
AlexINF also Canadians everywhere thank you
__________ __________ ikr idk what stone is lmao
"... since us europeans [sic]"
Read: everyone on the planet that's not the USA.
Nice work, David!
Go to america
Never ceases to amaze me how much dirt these old computers gather over the years and how much of a difference really cleaning them actually does. Good job, again!
Also, “ASDW” ;)
LocalH I saw that too, lolz
I saw that W being wrongfully placed immediately, and I thought to myself: "what kind of keyboard layout is that?" Haven't seen anything like it before. Could it be some Commodore weird layout? Hmm...
Glad I wasn't seeing things.
Maybe David uses the W key more frequently and wanted to try it in a more convenient location. ;-)
Regarding the keyboard feet: Stick with double-sided tape! You went with double-sided tape to reattach the TRS-80 Color Computer badge because that's what was originally used; makes sense here, too.
Thanks for the celsius conversion!
Same! But 46ºC is TOO HOT!!!
Now us Normal people can understand him
Canadians thank you
@@rudywhittington7772 define "normal"
@@referal6939
Anyone who uses a logical unit of measurements?
Man, I love restorations. The feeling of old computer back to its former glory is... well.. glorious!
I restored a keyboard for an old Dell keyboard. I disassembled it and just popped the whole assembly in the dishwasher (minus the PCB obviously) with only the tiniest amount of soap made for fine china and a dash of baking soda. I used the silver were basket for the keys because it closed up and kept them from being flung out. The parts came out spotless with no damage at all. I've since used this method on other plastic only parts and had great success in cleaning parts with it.
Welcome back! Very informative.
Indeed he is
SupaPixelGirl sadly you're back, ugh - go somewhere else
Why the hate riyuma?
riyuma1990ri, I dont wanna sound like a mother but thats not nice.
riyuma1990ri
riyuma1990ri That's nice. We all come to this channel to enjoy seeing the information it provides and you decide to be uncivil. Well done.
11:48 you had to move the W
Great video as always
Noticed it as well
I was wondering if anyone else had caught that. I've actually paused the video to come down and check the comments.
Ghat are you talkinw about?
same hahaha
ASDW what layaout is that?? :)
My favourite"The 8-Bit Guy" series! I love 'em!
Dude, watching your restoration projects is the best thing to do after a hard day at work. Keep it up! You are one of my favorite youtubers.
David: *Disgusted sound* "Looks like somebody was eating spaghetti over their keyboard."
Me, halfway through my ravioli: "Wack."
dont eat during this series of restorations...the computers are dirty!
I clean my keyboard out once every 3 months and despite how careful I am it still impresses and disturbs me how much crap gets down to the protective tray.
@@Spartan536 its time to clean it again
@@Danimations2015 Took care of that 2 nights ago, but thanks for the reminder!
@@Spartan536you should give it another clean now
You have no idea how much I wanted to crawl through the screen, take a sawzall and cut that crate down in half. No more shadows!
I kept waiting for him to prop it up with a 2x4 or something.
He needs like 4 to 6 paving stones that fit in the container. Stack them into the container until you're just below the lip at the top with the parts in there. You're going to displace a lot of water, so it should work out the same, but now you're at the top of the container and the shadow cast by the sides is not as big of a deal.
Or a UV lamp. You do a TON of fussing and workarounds to use the sun. A simple 2 by 4 frame with a 3mil plastic liner would also to the trick.
This.
Completely agree. Shorter containers!
Actually, the expression is "if you don't like the Texas weather, just wait 5 minutes." 😉
Cre80s
Or, replace Texas with any state east of the Rocky Mountains...
Cre80s no that is western Washington!
This expression comes from around the world in any temperate climate, Scotland and Russia come to mind.
Yes, but the key to expression (and the humor) was the "five minutes" part.
Interestingly, we say that in Calgary too, but grew up in Winnipeg, and hadn't heard it there. Never heard of the next day variant either...
Looking great! I should have put you to work on my C128D when you visited Norway earlier... it really needs some retrobriting too. ^_^
(Nah, just kidding)
Anders Enger Jensen hey, which songs of yours did David use in this video? They were really good!
Is there even enough sun rays over there for retrobriting :p
Moriarty Vivaldi it's actually really hot and sunny here now
MNCpoops Thanks :) Alpha Polaris - soundcloud.com/eox-studios/alpha-polaris :)
use sous vide method, very controlled
I really like that you are so meticulously telling and showing every moment of cleaning "here the box turned so; here the detail was put ..." =).
Thanks so much for the video!
"If you don`t like the weather just wait till tomorrow"
In Scotland we modify that to just wait 20 minutes XD
I've heard a variation of this saying everywhere I've ever been, and in every case, it's been accompanied with something like "we have a saying around here..." At this point, I'm thinking it's more like a global constant!
Re the silicone: It looks like you placed the silicone in the centre of the feet. Would've been better on the edges of the feet, since there's the screw in the centre.
I was thinking the same thing.
Thank you David for taking the time to record and edit the restorations for us! I do quite enjoy them! My only mistake was watching while eating lunch and having to gag a little when seeing all the grime inside the keyboard! Haha
Change the black box to a box without color so that the sun light may go inside the box from any angle
Doubt that would work. He's using sun light because there's a significant UV component to it. And it's surprising how many substances (including many transparent plastics) block UV.
You are a true artisan in the craft of vintage computer restorations. As always, I enjoy watching you work with the detailed step-by-step breakdowns and attention to miniscule details. Splendid work.
I'm the Channel Data Systems guy that posted on your PET video, Part 1. I had a complete Commodore 128 system, including all the hardware and all the software that had been written for it. I ended up giving it to a guy who was starting a microcomputer museum. I believe he lived in Lompoc, CA at the time. It was brand new, in the original boxes.
The US C128D (or C128DCR) has a metal case but a plastic front, explaining why the front is slightly yellow and the case itself is pretty much original color
Thank you so much for putting Celsius readings, now everyone knows what's going on. Greetings from Australia!
Excellent forensic analysis on the sun yellowing. My conclusion: it died from neglect.
PS - theme song always makes me happy in the feels. :D
Agree. Great song!
YO MUNNA I'M GONNA GET SOME DCCIDYLHVDJVFBKRHDKVYKBFUDGUOFHULGDDFYJDGYKEFYIYSEGHKGYIEFEUFEDJYWEFECK AND SOME S***
Me too!
I appreciate all you do for vintage computers. It is nice to see someone who takes care of them and repairs them.
I really like your dedication to restoring old computers, especially Commodores. I was born after their heyday and enjoy learning about them.
We have a similar saying about the weather in Michigan, except it's "wait 5 minutes."
I love how you still use that AirPort router, even though it's 15 years old. Just goes to show how a lot of old technologies can still be used today and work just fine.
Yeah, he made a video about it too.
I just hope it supports the later WLAN encryption standards
thank you for including metric for temperatures. it's a small thing but goes a long way - since you live in the US and by default use imperial, i salute you for this, sir. : )
Most computer guys actually use a lot of metric temps, because CPU/GPU's are always measured in metric, so may be normal for David.
@@williambaldwin9346 in the 80s that didn’t matter
"Quick little video" > 14 Minutes
no my inner drauga1 fan loves very long videos
His vacation tan is so strong his teeth are getting whiter
EpicLPer I saw one of these things on eBay
I like them longer
Kawaii desu
For the keyboard keys, you might want to consider getting a small ultrasonic cleaner. I used it to remove mould release grease from my resin model kits, using some proper degreaser, I usually observe improvement in just a few minutes and will just need a light rinse and scrub afterwards.
There is something so satisfying about watching these computers go from dirty old machines to near new looking beauties.
11:38
FoF, the "F" key is in the frong place, fas it a mistake? or fas it to test our attention?
It fas wunny anyfay.
A Z U L too many fs
ha! Funny! But you made an assumption - that he also placed the F key where the W goes. Instead, he could have messed up even more keys instead of just switching those two :)
Oh thank the high heavens, he's back folks... HE'S BACK!
David, you really deserved a vacation and I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping you and the family truly enjoyed it, but I'm sure I'm also not alone in saying that we just have to chain you to your desk so you never do it again! Welcome back! :)
the reason your keyboard feet didn't stick is because you put the silicone in the middle where the screw holes were
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My first ever computer was a normal packard bell PC. And I'm in the UK. I never owned a spectrum, or an amiga or an amstrad and definitely not a Commodore... So why do I enjoy watching these restoration videos so much?
This is great.
YOU! YOU'RE the one who swiped that 128D auction from me! :-D If I had to lose it, I'm glad it was to you!
Funny we have the same weather slogan in New England :)
Lon.TV i was about to comment the same thing until I saw your comment
Lon.TV
Replace "tomorrow" with "a few hours"
new England? more like USA.
Thanks for the conversion to Celsius. I find °F quite confusing
Pol Marcet 32f = 0c and so on and so forth.
Cave Jhonson nope, it is: T(°F) = T(°C) × 1.8 + 32
Which is not something I want to do every time :)
@kamalindsey yeah, but I'm not gonna exit the app of UA-cam to go to the calculator to do that. I prefer to continue watching the video. And if the creator of the video shows the temperature in the more standardized Celsius I'm gonna be more happy due to the fact that I'll know the temperature. I'm not trying to imply anything.
@kamalindsey ok. Happy to clear that out.
I have some insight on the silicone. I do a lot of prop making, and work with a few different silicones regularly. Silicone will not chemically stick to anything but itself. The only way it can bond to anything else is mechanically. When you use that silicone to calk around a tub for example (one of its intended uses), it is gripping into the cracks around the tub.
Because neither the rubber feet, nor the plastic are particularly porous, there is nothing to grip.
All that being said, it was deeply satisfying to see that machine come to life :) I have a 128 on my shelf right now that i've been dying to get set up and working.
I like to keep old stuff and rarely buy new one. By watching this channel, I can learn to restore all old stuff I dont want to throw away
5:29 says that he sets up a timer, but starts a stopwatch instead
MarkusTegelane it's still measuring time.
L I T E R A L L Y U N W A T C H A B L E
Yep, fake news...
Sunlight destroys plastic and fixes it. 😂
Yeah but using chemicals
Why not use double sided tape for the rubber feet, if that is what was previously used?
Probably because it took him a while to scrape that stuff off and silicon comes off cleaner, in case he needs to open it again.
I usually use double-sided tape to reattach rubber feet. Get the "permanent" kind. Works a treat!
Alex Quant good idea
I remember "repairing" my brother's C128D in the 80ies …
It fell off my bike (had a little accident) and the disk drive was loose, dumping around internally. When I arrived at my friend's home, we opened it up and noticed that the board also broke off its mounts. As we didn't have proper parts to fix this mess, we used a lighter ans some way-too-big screws to melt the board back again - and two empty toilet rolls to press the floppy drive back in its place.
My brother never noticed, anything had happened to his computer. And it ran without any problems for many years. Those things were built like a tank.
In my experience, the quickest (and most thorough) was of cleaning plastics prior to retrobrighting is to dismantle - and then put them in the dishwasher. The cutlery basket is perfect for small components like keys - but be sure to tie it shut or you'll be playing hunt the missing part in the dishwasher for ages afterward!
I've done everything from old computers through to my Laserwriter 8500 in this manner. The printer being by far the largest parts that I've processed in this way. Also, that's a daily driver device - so if there was any problem with my process, I'd have spotted it in the printer right away!
3M 9448 and corona treatment for the pads.
Dorf Schmidt 3m 4910. That's probably what was originally there.
3:31 that's a gif right there
re hash we need to make it one! Best gift ever!
go outside, get some air.
Just posted it to the community part of his FB page... 👍
#GIF_IS_JIFF
A Floyd ITS G-I-F! ITS AN ACRONYM, NOT A WORD
Why not just use double sided clear tape for the pads ?
How wonderful your day becomes when you come home from a long day at school and find a notification for a new 8 bit guy video. Great to have you back and hope you enjoyed your vacation.
So relaxing to see you taking care of those treasures of the past.
This is the 8bit computer I always wanted more than any other, but I could never talk my parents into it. :)
Fourth Horseman should have started a paper route or lawn mowing business.
I think you've gone over it before, but now that you have the sous vide, have you considered getting a UV light and retro brighting at your leisure?
Abbreviated Reviews the reaction has more to do with heat than uv light. Personally, using the stove and a double boiler pot would be more efficient, but hey...
I've been watching these nonstop, and while the whole video always is awesome, the best part is almost always the intro. I get reminded of watching those really weird, goofy educational movies as a 90s school kid.
The music while you were putting the keyboard back together was awesome!
Silicone is not suitable for this task. Use double-sided adhesive tape. :) Best wishes from Russia!
Александр Карабиньош З
Privyet, Aleksandr! Greets from the USA
Jacob daemonspudguy Tice best regards from Russia! 🙂😉
Почему ты это говоришь?
Пожалуйста, ответь мне на английском, хотя
MCAlexis The TCF Fan est. 2020 Потому что у силикона нет адгезии к такому пластику.
I have to ask. You must buy the peroxide regularly for these restorations. Has anyone at the store asked what you’re doing with it?
@@MoundN Look, for a channel that has 900 000 subscribers, do you really think he has the time to read all the comments he receives !?
And if you send him an email that's relevant to the topic, he will answer you.
@@MoundN Yeah, I've read your comment, so the only way you can contact him is via email. He uploaded more than 200 videos, do you think he have time to answer the thousands of comments.
Honestly, I would rather have more rain right now; I am hating this damned heat wave...
Anything over 85F is literal hell.
Come to Australia if you love heat!
@@NathanChisholm041 This aged badly
Finally 8bit guy is here, your reviews and restorations are best.
Save some peroxide by simply tilting the plastic container with a brick underneath one end. This will both reduced the amount of water needed = less peroxide and also works perfect for wedged shapes. Keep up the good work!
David, finally, you’re back!!!! I always liked you!
How I wish I had one !!!
Why not try the boiling method for the keys since you got that temperature doohickey a month ago.
Just a quick comment to say "Thank you!" for making these videos. The standard C128 was my 1st computer ever and the nostalgia is crazy when I watch your videos, I'd love to own one again... I regret ever selling my original C128 with drive, monitor, printer, 1200 baud modem, and a ton of software, though it did provide the funds needed to buy my 1st x86 based machine.
Minor correction: that is a C-128DCR. The "CR" means "cost-reduced," which it was compared to the C-128D that was primarily sold outside of North America. One of the cost reductions involved deleting the 60mm cooling fan that was mounted on the power supply sub-chassis. It's a simple matter to install a fan, whichwill help in prolonging the life of those all-but-impossible-to-replace custom CSG chips, such as the 8502 MPU, 8568 VDC, etc.
This is why I subscribed
I watched this video while eating a Bacon King from Burger King a few years ago, and now I crave one every time I re-watch it
Thanks for adding Celsius with the temperature readings!
seeing you struggle with that black box and the sunlight makes me cringe every time, just get another one and bust out the hacksaw to this one to make it lower!
I do all of my Retr0Brighting in clear tubs. That's why David could get the keys done in a few hours and the case parts took a few days..
Or a Dremel, he used one in some of his other videos
Instead of buying new hydrogen peroxid every time, is it possible to reuse the solution over and over?
Jens Johansson no. The h2o2 releases the oxigen and becomes regular water. It's not practical to capture the gas and re insert in the water. You just buy more.
What he could do is make a more sealed container to preserve more of the gas and use less
I really appreciate you showing us the temperature in Celsius as well as Fahrenheit! Thanks a lot!
Loved the Retro Music to this. Feels more at home while working on it like early 2000 music when working with XP.
What the! It's still nasty inside the CPU box.
Totally agree. If you're gonna obsess over the exterior so much, why not give the internals the same treatment?
Agreed, this isn't a restoration. No checking of the power supply, caps, or even adding heat sinks where needed. Call the video what it is, "Cleaning the Commodore 128D"
I totally agree, this type of psu is know to fail dramatically. Rifa filter cap will blow and the United Chemi-con SM caps should be replaced with new SMG's to be sure it will not fail. I've seen so much short out and take the motherboard with them... This video is just about external cleaning, not a proper restauration/overhaul.
Imagine waiting an entire day for weather to change
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Imagine waiting an entire day for finally came out from the school closet to escape the school shooter
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What a magnificent restoration!!! It took a long time, but the beautiful whiteness of the keyboard is dazzling! Well done David!
I know joann's fabric sells thin sticky tape that should work. Thank you for the videos, they bring me back to my childhood.
6:28 New England: "Hold my drink"
I watched this video once about a week ago and looking at this comment I know you are referring to the part about the weather changing without even clicking the timestamp. Hello from Maine. :)
Ghostbusters.........😉😂 (fans of the angry video game nerd will get my comment)
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Nice to see the inside of the other version of the C128D. In Germany they first sold a version with plastic case and a fan to cool down the case.
1. keyboard: you left out the electronic board inside; a shoddy job on cleaning the inside too; there's still visible traces of gunk as you assemble it; 2. always use a tool made of softer material than the one you are working with, lest you want to leave a significant mark, is what I have heard from a woodworking guy. 3. still, you drive a channel I enjoy. I think the content's cool (aside of aforementioned suggestions), and it's well presented.
You can use the laundry powder to clean the keys. It is pretty simple: you need to pour keys into a plastic bag, then add a handful of powder and fill the bag with water. Then you need to shake the bag well for a couple of minutes and the keys will be clean.
Holy hell 44 degrees celsius on the tarmac. Back here in Holland we're dieing from 30 degree days, and you just keep trucking on. Massive respect. I definitely recognise the vanishing of several hours when cleaning the keys. Had that happen on my c64. Cleaning away, and when I'm done, look out the window; Pitch black. Look over at the clock; Midnight. Haven't had dinner yet. What happened? :D Luckily I had a microwave meal in the fridge.
David you make so happy because your saving a very rare piece of history
Your voice is so calming, i love watching the restauration videos before i fall asleep.
I showed my Electronics and Computer Science teacher your Osborne One video, and he loved it
Discovered your channel a week ago and I'm watching basically all restoration videos haha. It's so great to see things get nice again. I don't know if you like it, but I would also love to check old game consoles restoration. Tried to look for those on UA-cam and couldn't find a nice one like yours.
That wipe showing before and after was the best part!