Growing Crops With Just Electricity

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  • @SciShow
    @SciShow  Рік тому +31

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  • @PWK95
    @PWK95 Рік тому +102

    As anybody with some publishing experience will know: "Why didn't they try growing plants in the dark?" => "They did, my friend. They did."

    • @ratgr
      @ratgr Рік тому +11

      Yeah probably full-dark was not good for plants, they probably use light for more than just the photosyntetic process

    • @blakops000007
      @blakops000007 Рік тому +10

      @@ratgr yes, plants need sunlight to absorb water into their leafs. When water is converted into co2 and oxygen, the plant gets rid of it and that allows more water to be absorbed. This motion and other bioreactions could be the reason why only a little of the sunlight energy is converted into sugar; there are other reactions that require the energy from the sun to facilitate the construction of nutrients.

    • @blablup1214
      @blablup1214 Рік тому +7

      @@ratgr For me it also sounds counterintuitive. Getting rid of the reason the lettuce plants needs green leafes and expect the plant to grow big green leafes :D

    • @zixvirzjghamn737
      @zixvirzjghamn737 Рік тому

      @@blablup1214 OH RIGHT

  • @paulex12
    @paulex12 Рік тому +67

    3:01 light provides important developmental cues for multicellular plants and they will typically not develop normally without light. to grow crops using this method in complete darkness you would need to first breed the plants (or genetically modify them) to grow normally in reduced or no light conditions.

    • @humanistwriting5477
      @humanistwriting5477 Рік тому +6

      Cool.
      Makes sense and tracks with my learning.
      I wonder if that is a contributing role to the acetate grown lettuce being meaker then the control

    • @4Nulla
      @4Nulla Рік тому +3

      Still, this would allow for bare minimum light produced and thus still be more energy efficient and cost effective.

  • @Reyma777
    @Reyma777 Рік тому +209

    I sometimes wonder if skyscraper-sized grow towers would be viable for crop production. Water could be contained and semi-recycled within the grow tower skyscraper. Plants could also receive natural and artificial light in a regulated manner. While waste and food scraps could be used to produce nutrients for the plants.

    • @GreasyFox
      @GreasyFox Рік тому +63

      That is what vertical farming is, which could also save a lot of space and limits the need to cut down rainforests for agriculture purposes.

    • @Treviisolion
      @Treviisolion Рік тому +31

      If you’re relying on natural light, then no. The amount of crops you can grow indoors with sunlight only coming in through the windows is not nearly enough to make up for the expensive cost of building vertically as opposed to planting them in ordinary dirt or putting them in a greenhouse.
      Vertical farms have become relatively commercially viable within their niche of fresh city crops though the viability differs a lot from farm to farm, and all use artificial light. Most do recycle their water in order to cut down on costs, and the big selling point of vertical farms is reducing water usage for plants, especially greens and fruits and vegetables which are thirsty plants.

    • @thewalkingcrow8946
      @thewalkingcrow8946 Рік тому +26

      The difficulty would be getting the water up there. It's not free energy to pump water that high. You can only pump water as high as the tallest water tower without putting a LOT of energy into it.

    • @humanistwriting5477
      @humanistwriting5477 Рік тому +14

      @@Treviisolion of course if this acetate growth model works out, we could easily replace all traditional farms with vertical farming.
      That's going to take a while to sort out naturally but it is exciting to think about.

    • @anandaditya479
      @anandaditya479 Рік тому +4

      if we could have unlimited energy from Fusion reactors

  • @Epoch11
    @Epoch11 Рік тому +163

    That is mind blowing. The fact that plants could do this, shows that there is so much potential in the natural world that is yet unknown and untapped.

    • @user255
      @user255 Рік тому +4

      It's not that surprising. We have used sugar to grow plant cells in dark for few decades already.

    • @AndreaDingbatt
      @AndreaDingbatt Рік тому +2

      @@user255 We Have?!
      I am Soooo far behind with Technology!!
      Time for me to Re-learn Everything!!
      I know that Fungi and lichen does this,but would love to know a little more?!!

    • @user255
      @user255 Рік тому +2

      @@AndreaDingbatt Not sure what to tell. Example "callus culture" is often done in dark (google it to learn more). It is used as a step example in GM tech, chemical manufacturing (secondary metabolites) and plant propagation.

    • @AndreaDingbatt
      @AndreaDingbatt Рік тому +2

      @@user255 Thank you so much for your informative reply!!
      That was very kind of you to take the time to write and point me in the right direction!!
      And, I gratefully appreciate this , as a starting place to Google and then look a bit deeper into this subject.
      I hope you enjoy the rest of this week,
      and have a wonderful weekend ahead of you .
      Namaste🙏
      Andrea and Critters. ..XxX...

    • @johnathanbrandt2526
      @johnathanbrandt2526 Рік тому +2

      There are also several species of parasitic albino plants that do similar by feeding on the nutrients produced by other plants. Sometimes even members of their own species. So the fact that some plants especially simple plants like algae could grow in such a medium without light makes perfect sense.

  • @oscarinacan
    @oscarinacan Рік тому +702

    The power saving for indoor weed would be game changing

    • @RicardoRodriguez-mh7my
      @RicardoRodriguez-mh7my Рік тому +25

      Bro, on god🤣

    • @unclesunbro1577
      @unclesunbro1577 Рік тому +66

      Weed is the reason that I clicked on this video

    • @expendablewater7474
      @expendablewater7474 Рік тому +20

      all about that sun grown weed Baby

    • @isamuddin1
      @isamuddin1 Рік тому +6

      Aren't we already growing indoors?....ah it's a joke yeah2 that would be great for some people 🙃

    • @unclesunbro1577
      @unclesunbro1577 Рік тому +9

      @@expendablewater7474 The sun is the best grow light but, a HPS bulb is a close second.

  • @mathiaslist6705
    @mathiaslist6705 Рік тому +5

    1:14 you can use optimized grow lights now with the right spectrum and wave lengths where plants can use much more of the light or energy than from sunlight

  • @dantheman9784
    @dantheman9784 Рік тому +13

    In college (I was a horticulture student), I got my hands on a mutant seedling which produced no chlorophyll. Basically, you could call it a failed undergrad attempt. Wish I looked into this then.

  • @jerrywhidby.
    @jerrywhidby. Рік тому +53

    "Brawndo! It's what plants crave."
    Life is becoming a parody of itself.

  • @benmcelwain5301
    @benmcelwain5301 Рік тому +211

    Plants 1% efficient. Solar panels 22% efficient. If they can GMO our crops to accept acetate, it will be an agricultural revolution. Maybe even 15 underground fields being supported by a field of solar panels on the surface.

    • @Menelutorex
      @Menelutorex Рік тому +14

      better idea. Make food (sugar, proteins) from energy and mass. Dont need middleman like plants.

    • @johnathanbrandt2526
      @johnathanbrandt2526 Рік тому +37

      @@Menelutorex that's called fusion and it's not energy viable yet unless you do it in a star and melt your face off. The alternative to that would be cold fusion and if you figure out how to do that then some guys in black suits an sunglasses would like a word with you.

    • @meltossmedia
      @meltossmedia Рік тому +10

      @@Menelutorex meet you in the middle and just make it from chemicals, we got hella carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen

    • @johnathanbrandt2526
      @johnathanbrandt2526 Рік тому +7

      @@meltossmedia I believe there's a few companies making meal replacement drinks along the same lines already. One company has even had the irony to call it's product Soylent. I have seen some videos and read some articles that pose some health and safety concerns about said products so buyer beware as the saying goes. All and all its hard to beat nature at this game. it's been playing it for a long time and autotrophy is a hard life to live just ask the lichen living on the rocks.

    • @humanistwriting5477
      @humanistwriting5477 Рік тому +2

      @@johnathanbrandt2526 what's ya talking about here? Fusion is viable, heck you can hack a neon tube to fuse
      Getting enough energy out of fusion compared to what you put in is the goal line we haven't crossed yet.
      But we have gotten more then we put in, a long time ago.
      Just not enough to cover line losses and conversation losses in power transmission.... or enough to make up for destorying the entire reactor chamber.
      Oh. Ya. Then there is the hydrogen bomb+a reeeeealy deep hole. A.k.a. the back-up plan it. Would work.... and only with mild earthquakes!

  • @ExperimentalFun
    @ExperimentalFun Рік тому +14

    They should call this new liquid "Brawndo", its what plants crave.

  • @lewismassie
    @lewismassie Рік тому +19

    It's cool to see that they used heavy carbon to track the acetate uptake, which is exactly how we figured out photosynthesis at first

    • @schattenprinz
      @schattenprinz Рік тому +5

      I mean, it's not an uncommen method in cell-biology. But I know what you mean :)

  • @AngelaAmaryllis
    @AngelaAmaryllis Рік тому +10

    I hope they're planning on doing testing to see if the plants will be safe for animal and human consumption. Plants have sugars still left in them at the point of consumption, and so they will likely also still have the acetate. This would definitely be good for decorative houseplants though. Sometimes it's really hard to keep a plant in sufficient light when all you have is windows to work with. Even when the weather is nice, it's slightly time consuming to check the plants and move them from window to window to keep them in as much light as possible to encourage healthy and thick growth. It also would be great for starting seeds, to make sure they don't become leggy from lack of sunlight if they sprout during an overcast week.

  • @cancan-wq9un
    @cancan-wq9un Рік тому +79

    Well, I don't see why we should remove light from the equation entirely. A balance can be achieved between this and artificial lights which would be most efficient without changing plant genome completely.

    • @David_T
      @David_T Рік тому +20

      If we are talking the Sci Fi idea of a colony on Mars, you are going to need a lot of light anyway just to keep the human population alive and sane.

    • @hattielankford4775
      @hattielankford4775 Рік тому +2

      Glow in the dark mushrooms? 🤷‍♀️😂

    • @teteteteta2548
      @teteteteta2548 Рік тому +1

      @@hattielankford4775 I hope, would look cool

    • @irononreverse
      @irononreverse Рік тому +4

      @@hattielankford4775 I ate one and it recharged my batteries!

    • @hattielankford4775
      @hattielankford4775 Рік тому +1

      @@irononreverse I knew someone would take it there. I just didn't know it would be so soon.

  • @peterschmidt5583
    @peterschmidt5583 Рік тому +16

    Is no one questioning what photosynthesis has to do with yeast?!

    • @mehere8038
      @mehere8038 Рік тому +2

      lol apparently not :) rather good point you have there!!!!!!

  • @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube
    @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube Рік тому +79

    I know you don't _need_ to, but I'd be strongly tempted to power such a process with solar cells for thematic consistency.

    • @b.sharp.
      @b.sharp. Рік тому

      Holy smokes

    • @ninosegers
      @ninosegers Рік тому +5

      well solarpanels are 20% efficient so you could grow 20x more crops

    • @Woodledude
      @Woodledude Рік тому +12

      @@ninosegers That's without taking into account the inefficiency present in acetate production and use, so probably lower than that. But I could still see there being room for very substantial gains.

    • @Borsuk3344
      @Borsuk3344 Рік тому +5

      Or you could use nuclear power, have it cheaper and with less environmental damage.

    • @zg4705
      @zg4705 Рік тому

      @@Borsuk3344 "less environmental damage"

  • @samsonsoturian6013
    @samsonsoturian6013 Рік тому +8

    Mushrooms would probably be a staple food in a Mars colony.

    • @cassiablack1094
      @cassiablack1094 Рік тому +2

      If you can feed them. Mushrooms usually require manure, wood chips/sawdust/hardwood logs, straw, etc as a substrate. Which we would have to ship in.

    • @feynstein1004
      @feynstein1004 Рік тому

      I don't think so. Mushrooms don't harness solar energy like plants do. They just take energy from other organisms and change it into something else. They're basically the same as animals, meaning you have to feed them something. Which raises the question, why feed an animal and then eat the animal when you can just feed yourself directly? On earth this doesn't really matter because we have an abundance of energy so we can afford to be wasteful. But on Mars, that wouldn't be an option. At least not at the initial stage when energy is scarce.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 Рік тому

      @@feynstein1004 dude, you can feed them poop.

    • @feynstein1004
      @feynstein1004 Рік тому

      @@samsonsoturian6013 Looks like you're not familiar with the first law of thermodynamics. Let me ask you this. Based on what you're saying, you can create an infinite loop. Feed the mushroom to the people, then feed the poop to the mushrooms. If that were possible, why would a thing such as famine ever exist?

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 Рік тому

      @@feynstein1004 Let me google how to care from mushrooms... Mushrooms consume oxygen rather than produce it, comprende? That would be a complication as you would need CO2 consuming plants as well.

  • @Qui-9
    @Qui-9 Рік тому +11

    I wonder what this "acetate" is, and why the chemical prefix is not mentioned? I'm pretty sure you can't just use any acetate compound you feel like?

    • @adamwhitney3935
      @adamwhitney3935 Рік тому +4

      The original article states that they were forming and using sodium acetate and potassium acetate. The one formed depended on which electrolyte they were using, NaOH or KOH.

    • @Qui-9
      @Qui-9 Рік тому +2

      @@adamwhitney3935 oh ok. I'm late to the party, but thanks 👍

  • @rgbii2
    @rgbii2 Рік тому +16

    While I'm guessing it's less, did they mention how much electricy was used for the electrocatalysis compared to a good quality grow LED light?

    • @humanistwriting5477
      @humanistwriting5477 Рік тому +10

      Annoyingly they mention the conversion rate efficiency but not the energy efficiency
      And more annoying the paper mentions that they designed thier own electrolysis system to reach 80% conversion of the CO2.
      So I think thier target is space based and they don't really care all that much.
      But all said, commercial electrolysis is reaching 80% of the predicted quantum limit to break down hydrogen, I would imagine simular for hydrogen.
      And I realized while reading the nature article; they are producing straight ATP to convert into food for the plants. ATP is what our bodies convert sugars and fats into. Pretty cool stuff

  • @piersonm5574
    @piersonm5574 Рік тому +4

    This is actually super cool

  • @nutzeeer
    @nutzeeer Рік тому +6

    I knew it! Solar powered farm blocks here we come! I just hope we will have food diversity and not just one bland plant.

  • @sknoy7792
    @sknoy7792 Рік тому +4

    Great stuff guys

  • @JLocke0113
    @JLocke0113 Рік тому +1

    I'd love to see skyscrapers solely dedicated to growing crops.

  • @ronmaximilian6953
    @ronmaximilian6953 Рік тому +4

    I wonder how quickly this could be used to increase yields in cultivation of mushrooms, brewers yeast, edible cyanobacteria and algae, and white asparagus.
    Current vertical farms use specific wavelengths of light to increase efficiency. Adding acetate in the proper concentration the water and growth meeting may further increase their growth.

  • @tyberlong
    @tyberlong Рік тому +2

    'if i told you that a flower bloom in a dark room would you trust me' -KL

  • @BenCDawson
    @BenCDawson Рік тому +2

    For indoor farming I've wondered if it would be reasonable to use something like fiber optics and solar funnels covering the outside of the building to capture sunlight and provide it to every floor evenly, a dispersion material could spread out the concentrated sunlight on each growing platform, all of the benefits of indoor farming in terms of space and water usage but a reduction in power costs and lighting needs, if this could work it would be very sustainable. I'd love to hear any arguments for or against this idea, at the very least it would reduce the amount of power needed for indoor vertical farming facilities, if integrated into a city sunlight could be gathered from multiple buildings feeding into a single farming facility so the necessary lighting for large crop loads would be achievable.

  • @daniellaytonmusic9865
    @daniellaytonmusic9865 Рік тому +21

    The whole reason they grow outside is so we don't see the salad dressing

    • @yagalamaga
      @yagalamaga Рік тому +2

      You are my hero for today Daniel. Thank you.

  • @Cinderpelt1002
    @Cinderpelt1002 Рік тому +6

    This reminds me of those plants that can grow without sunlight in Stray.

    • @FunBotan
      @FunBotan Рік тому +1

      Yes, it's amazing how science is outpacing science fiction these days

  • @dustinstober9647
    @dustinstober9647 Рік тому +5

    Love the content!

  • @venabre
    @venabre Рік тому +1

    0:28 there is a single frame left over from a different shot in between cuts

  • @MrBiggs-jj7mp
    @MrBiggs-jj7mp Рік тому +2

    Now THIS I'll watch!

  • @CaptainMarvelsSon
    @CaptainMarvelsSon Рік тому +4

    Great. Now I can grow a garden in my basement.

    • @hardikb15
      @hardikb15 Рік тому

      ikr gotta put them kids to work!

    • @quickmythril2398
      @quickmythril2398 Рік тому +2

      apparently people have never heard of grow lights?

  • @akashashen
    @akashashen Рік тому +10

    I was expecting that, instead of direct electricity, the design would emulate an inversion of lichen, where a fungus or other microbe either made a chemical, collection of chemicals or environmental condition to fill in the missing interaction. I feel you forgot to explicitly state that the new urban farming would replace light (like today's LED-lit bays) with something modern cities have -- electricity. Generally, just plain neat ☺

    • @feynstein1004
      @feynstein1004 Рік тому

      You still need an energy source for that. You can't just cheat physics unfortunately 😅

    • @heinzarniaung2915
      @heinzarniaung2915 Рік тому

      @@feynstein1004 obv but it would be way more efficient than light in theory

    • @feynstein1004
      @feynstein1004 Рік тому

      @@heinzarniaung2915 Doubtful

  • @scv4236
    @scv4236 Рік тому +1

    Really really cool, thanks for the video

  • @heidi681
    @heidi681 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for this information.💕

  • @goldenpotato925
    @goldenpotato925 Рік тому +1

    2:24 Ah yes, yeast fungus that requires light.

  • @hzaagman8005
    @hzaagman8005 Рік тому +6

    3:22 Personally, I think it's because of the high acetate concentration that plant growth was stunted, not because of the potassium cancentration. I regularly use cleaning vinager (8% acetic acid solution) to kill weeds on my property, so clearly a high concentration of acetate is detrimental to plant growth.

  • @WetDoggo
    @WetDoggo Рік тому +3

    how about collecting lots of light with mirrors, combining them to a single strong beam directed underground.
    filtering this beam with prisms, to only direct the useful spectrum onto beam splitters, which direct the light to the end destination onto diffusers

    • @Bleepbleepblorbus
      @Bleepbleepblorbus Рік тому

      That would take more effort then just getting there in the first place

  • @MadScientist0623
    @MadScientist0623 Рік тому +4

    I think that instead of Potassium Acetate (the complaint was that the Potassium was present, so I guess that Potassium Acetate was used), they could have used Ammonium Acetate. That way the plants could also get a boost of Nitrogen instead of getting stunted by the Potassium.

    • @guyclykos
      @guyclykos Рік тому +1

      Then I do think they need the assistance of a fungus or bacteria to convert ammonia into nitrate. IIRC, plants can't readily use ammonia.

    • @agsystems8220
      @agsystems8220 Рік тому

      I don't think the potassium was entirely deliberate. The way the acetate production works is by supplying electrons direct to microorganisms, but they need a specific growth medium, which presumably includes quite a lot of potassium. In order for it to be viable the product will have to work with little extra processing, so switching the potassium for ammonium might not be viable. Starting with a decent amount of ammonium bicarbonate might work though.

  • @LeoAngora
    @LeoAngora Рік тому +1

    Thanks for a cool video with a decent sponsor!

  • @PeterKates
    @PeterKates Рік тому +4

    Surely if you bypass the plants need for leaves, then it won't grow it's leaves very big?

    • @eRic-hr3yl
      @eRic-hr3yl Рік тому +6

      Its not natural selection we are talking here, its artificial selection. We would simply select the ones with bigger leafs to eat

    • @user255
      @user255 Рік тому

      Maybe... at least the plants would be white. No light, no chlorophyll.

  • @notlessgrossman163
    @notlessgrossman163 Рік тому +1

    Growing algae without light is already a pretty good breakthrough in itself. Underground structures,man made or natural caves, could sequester carbon dioxide and provide feedstock for other uses.

  • @davidanyon6974
    @davidanyon6974 Рік тому +3

    Well done science, you made mushrooms! 🎉

  • @AJBlueJay
    @AJBlueJay Рік тому +2

    Is potassium acetate a good fertilizer?

  • @Seldomheardabout
    @Seldomheardabout Рік тому

    Technically you should be able to expose plants to em radiation (induced) to fulfill the energy requirements of plants. I believe I saw a study from 10 years ago about how you can deny roots to a plant if you can directly induce the nutri-water into the plant mass. This of course implies that plants will be able to be grown in pods in space. Instead of generating heat energy when converting energy to visible light and plant sensitive spectrums, we could reduce that drastically by inducing frequencies that are not as entwined with thermal output.

  • @allezvenga7617
    @allezvenga7617 Рік тому

    Thanks for your sharing

  • @Asmo1128
    @Asmo1128 Рік тому

    I’m so excited about this
    Wooooo let’s grow some eletrolettuce!

  • @c.ladimore1237
    @c.ladimore1237 Рік тому

    set up solar panels on surface and huge aeroponics underground. low power LED lights give enough even for fruits, esp. tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. i know b/c i have grown my own indoors for years.

  • @CitiesForTheFuture2030
    @CitiesForTheFuture2030 Рік тому +1

    As far as I am aware there are some plants that do grow in the dark (eg mushrooms & rhubarb) while some can grow in low light. In an urban enviro some crops can be grown in basements or indoors, and rooftops for plants that prefer full light.

    • @mehere8038
      @mehere8038 Рік тому +2

      mushrooms are actually fungus, ie animals, not plants though, so they don't use photosynthesis. Mushrooms are an obvious food option to look at for low light settings though aren't they

    • @mehere8038
      @mehere8038 Рік тому

      & where do you get the info on rhubarb from? I just looked it up & can't find anything supporting it growing well in anything other than full sun

    • @CitiesForTheFuture2030
      @CitiesForTheFuture2030 Рік тому +2

      @@mehere8038 Perhaps focus on the "food crop" thing rather than the "plant" thing. Mushroom are extremely vetsatile in a variety of sectors. As a vegetarian - I "live" on mushrooms. Yum!
      My main point was about using the best urban spaces to suit crop preferences. And mushrooms are cheaper than lab-grown or plant-based meats...

    • @mehere8038
      @mehere8038 Рік тому

      @@CitiesForTheFuture2030 yes agreed! Mushrooms make much more sense than this stuff! Imagine the flavours & growth abilities we could achieve with as much effort put into them as is being put into this research! HIGHLY space efficient too! I calculated that I could actually produce my entire calorie needs from just my spare room used in mushroom growing, IF I really wanted to (and didn't count the space to grow the mushroom substrate)
      btw, I'm reading the comments still & stumbled across one explaining the rhubarb in the dark thing, researching that though (I'd never heard of it before the comments) & it doesn't actually grow in the dark, but in the light for 2 years, then they grow the stems in the dark from the existing plant energy, so it doesn't actually grow in the dark, it's just growing like a bulb does

    • @CitiesForTheFuture2030
      @CitiesForTheFuture2030 Рік тому

      @@mehere8038 My country doesn't "do" rhubarb much. I saw a clip on the "rhubarb triangle" in the UK on the QI show. Yes, part of the growing occurs in the sunshine - on a rooftop? Since. It looks like white asparagus also does well in the dark.
      I've been a veggie for around 30 years now and mushrooms where always a budget protein source for me. With climate change, moving to a more plant-based diet is critical. For the current "carnivore" culture generation this might be very difficult - lab-grown & plant-based "meats" might be the only thing that will ease the transition... if you can afford it. It does create a bit of a dilemma for me: I stopped eating meat on compassionate grounds so should I eat lab-grown meat (once it's affordable)?
      Have you been following the UN's Oceanix initiative - building self-sustaining cities on the water including food production.
      ua-cam.com/video/Jupldxz9-BI/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/lt-lAFGJ_3o/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/x6AWv2w6fX4/v-deo.html

  • @Star_Skiing_Starskski
    @Star_Skiing_Starskski Рік тому

    Seems like a glimpse into the future of growing food. Fascinating!

  • @clipoff
    @clipoff Рік тому

    nice tittle on this one strait forward and understandable

  • @In20xx
    @In20xx Рік тому

    This is exciting. Will this revolutionize food production? This could greatly improve out off planet ventures.

  • @KristiContemplates
    @KristiContemplates Рік тому +1

    Point of diminishing returns.
    Why lettuce with the higher concentrations seemed to be stunted. Toxicity level had been reached.
    This is going to require a lot of recipe tweaking, and different recipes for different plants.
    Plus light doesn't influence only photosystems i and ii,. Ask sunflowers

  • @daralic2255
    @daralic2255 Рік тому

    This could cheapen vertical farming. If it gets refined enough it could become extremely helpful. Or could make harvesting plants for fuel more viable.
    Or allow for hemp farming.

  • @e621_
    @e621_ Рік тому +1

    This reminds me of the time when my dad was sleeping on the living room armchair and he was snoring really loud so I dropped one of my chicken nuggets into his mouth and he started choking. I didn't know what to do so I ran outside he still doesn't know what happened

    • @e621_
      @e621_ Рік тому

      pretty sure he spat it out and the dog ate the nugget

  • @RamiShreds
    @RamiShreds Рік тому +1

    I’m trying to grow succulents in a north facing apartment in Canada, so this would be helpful to me

  • @matumilian4263
    @matumilian4263 Рік тому +2

    Glowing Food Without Light...
    Mushrooms?

  • @mellertid
    @mellertid Рік тому

    A couple of unicellular green algae are known to have the option to feed on acetate instead of light. There's not much new in this study; organisms that depend on light, well, they do. Still kind of cool, for space colony purposes, to look into. 🛸

  • @sofilove...20
    @sofilove...20 Рік тому

    Thanks brother

  • @agsystems8220
    @agsystems8220 Рік тому

    This does beat photosynthesis using solar by ~4x, but I'm more excited about how it pairs with nuclear or wind. A nuclear powered LED grow house will be something like 10x less efficient than using this to feed them directly. By my numbers feeding a person could be done on something like 1kw. If the sun were to go out, and we diverted electricity production towards this, we could feed the world's population 2x. That is seriously impressive.

  • @alien9279
    @alien9279 Рік тому +1

    This is huge for all farming not just Mars!!

  • @mathiaslist6705
    @mathiaslist6705 Рік тому

    I'll read all the articles provided in the links and try this out at home .... gotta look if I've got any KOH left at home

  • @finnberuldsen4624
    @finnberuldsen4624 Рік тому

    Calling it now: all white lettuce mutant will be available at high end restaurants. It would look cool as hell.

  • @EduardoHerreroAyuso
    @EduardoHerreroAyuso Рік тому +2

    I still prefer using Mountain Dew (hehe)

  • @Goober5-m6c
    @Goober5-m6c Рік тому

    This is very good advice for 2023 sense the sun is becoming a red giant

  • @simonlinser8286
    @simonlinser8286 Рік тому

    One time when i was a kid i found a website that talked about growing potatoes in a basement, and having a sheet of aluminum foil outside and just connecting it with a wire would make the potatoes grow in total darkness...

  • @BryanRink
    @BryanRink Рік тому +2

    Am I the only one who thought this was going to be about mushrooms? Nature already figured out growing food in the dark.

    • @prakashpatel1573
      @prakashpatel1573 Рік тому

      Mushroom are saprophyte (absorb souble organic matter from dead substance). Plant produce organic matter which the human and fungi(mushroom) depand on to feed.. To get energy..

  • @alistairmackintosh9412
    @alistairmackintosh9412 Рік тому

    ElectroBOOM down on the farm....
    "And now we plug in the plant right next to this giant pile of NH2NO3..."

  • @huldu
    @huldu Рік тому +10

    Sounds like an excellent use for old depleted mines.

    • @BJ-xm6bi
      @BJ-xm6bi Рік тому +1

      too dangerous

    • @b.sharp.
      @b.sharp. Рік тому +3

      @@BJ-xm6bi the robots will harvest them

    • @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube
      @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube Рік тому

      @@b.sharp. Eventually.
      Probably best to start with spaces we can fully control. Just one less variable to worry about while getting a handle on the process.

    • @b.sharp.
      @b.sharp. Рік тому +1

      @@StopChangingUsernamesUA-cam that's literally what's happening

    • @emilysha418
      @emilysha418 Рік тому

      Too many toxic gasses

  • @michaegi4717
    @michaegi4717 Рік тому

    As someone who grow some plants, I really wonder how someone could think about growing plants without light. If you observe a plant growing you experience so many things that are influenced by the light. E.G. plants grow "towards" the light. Also plants need the sun to evaporate water to be able to draw more water (with the included minerals). So how should they suck up the nutrions from the solution without evaporating water?
    I was also suprized that they made tests with yeast. I never heared that yeast has photosynthesis, is there any source for this information?

  • @exosproudmamabear558
    @exosproudmamabear558 Рік тому +1

    So how much more energy efficient than the artificial sunlight? Normally light is pretty energy intensive and photosynthesis is inefficient so how much it could save energy I wonder.

  • @aggabus
    @aggabus Рік тому +1

    2:33 greater no larger

  • @geomeils
    @geomeils Рік тому

    Just a quick note - yeast is a fungus, not a plant, and doesn't photosynthesize, i.e., doesn't require light to grow. It, in fact, prefers darkness.

  • @lorenrenee1
    @lorenrenee1 Рік тому

    They could also focus the light by using only red light which the plants use, rather than broad spectrum that they don’t.

  • @XSpImmaLion
    @XSpImmaLion Рік тому

    Awesome! Seems promising to our future as mole people when temperatures above are so high we might as well start digging down and spend part of the year underground. :P

  • @Cheesecakuu_
    @Cheesecakuu_ Рік тому

    One step closer to recreating the setting of Stray but real-life

  • @makegrowlabrepeat
    @makegrowlabrepeat Рік тому +2

    What type of acetate?

  • @DarkGT
    @DarkGT Рік тому

    One solution for the city landscape - mushrooms.

  • @mjlagrone
    @mjlagrone Рік тому

    If works for yeast, then I wonder if we can at least have cheap beer on Mars...

  • @CoffeeZombi-ATL1
    @CoffeeZombi-ATL1 Рік тому

    We have robots from Tesla, worms that eat plastic, and now plants that dont need light. Stray is REAAAAALLL

  • @eoachan9304
    @eoachan9304 Рік тому

    This whole "grow in the dark with acetate" concept is very interesting, but there is no need to reinvent the wheel so to speak-pressurized Mars colony cities can simply use nuclear fission to run powerful LEDs to grow hydroponic or aeroponic crops, a method already in use. Because the sun is dimmer in the orbit of Mars anyways LEDs would be best anyways.
    As far as yeast and algae geneered to thrive with massive productivity, that appears more promising as these crops can provide biomass for many industrial processes as well as making high protein and healthy high fat foods.
    One thing NOT motioned was mushroom farming on Mars- mushrooms can be used to make a tasty meat substitute, need no light, and can be fed organic refuse so one gets complete recycling. Mushrooms can also produce medicinal materials too, among others.

  • @someguy2135
    @someguy2135 Рік тому

    I thought this was going to be about growing mushrooms!

  • @notapplicable4567
    @notapplicable4567 Рік тому

    Bro science is so awesome

  • @bobsinhav
    @bobsinhav Рік тому

    They can grow food on navy submarines, aircraft carriers, and supply ships. This wold simplify military logistics!

  • @aarononeal9830
    @aarononeal9830 Рік тому

    Sci show needs to talk about Ecosia they are a search engine that plants trees

    • @Ewr42
      @Ewr42 Рік тому

      maybe thunderf00t has a video on them..
      spoiler alert: like everything else online, it's a scam. they buy land to preserve, from third party owners that claim to plant trees, but they're selling stuff like national parks which are already conserved, or buying carbon credits...
      it's like that black square thing that turned off a couple pixels and claimed you were helping save the Amazon for it.
      there's not really much we can do besides holding the super rich and their corporations accountable, also, the neonazifascist state of Bolsonaro has increased the Amazon destruction to 1000% levels in the last 4 years, they kill indigenous people, burn their land, take their trees, destroy the soil looking for gold, or by planting soy(to feed cattle) or letting cattle roam there, and they also burn down entire villages, raping 5yo girls, throwing 1yo boys into rivers...
      all that because of greed, the profit motive, wanting to have more and taking it from the earth itself instead of taking from those who have thousands of lifetimes worth of stuff.
      no one needs more than 10Million$ ever. at that point you should just get a prize for winning capitalism and retire completely from interfering on the "game".
      but it's the world we live in and they're the ones in control, and they won't ever give up that control even if the world's burning.
      which we will. along with suffocation, crops dying out, maybe a nuclear fallout, cities will be flooded, hurricanes, volcanoes and all that
      and every billionaire will go to space to watch us burn from the VIP seats.
      the world has ended already, unless capitalism falls immediately and we can repair the damage and redistribute wealth so that they stop doing harm for profit and rebuild a sustainable system
      because our whole civilization today was designed to be unsustainable, it's based on infinite economic growth amd the resources are limited both physically and through hoarding to artificially increase the value of them.
      we live in a huge scam, everything is done for profit and profit alone.
      there's nothing you alone can do to help or contribute to it. we need nothing short of a complete revolution that changes absolutely every single thing about our current system.
      this Theseus ship won't last till it's brand new through small changes, we need a completely different one because this one's already 90% sunk.
      pro tip: if you just look around irl and refuse to acknowledge the truth, you can pretend to have a future to look after. it's what everyone else does
      the world will burn down anyway, why die worrying?
      anyway, lying to ourselves that stuff like ecosia works is also a coping mechanism, one that disappoints constantly, but it exists and its a fairly common one.
      but we need nothing less than a complete ban on resource exploration and wealth appropriation from the super rich (10M$+) to firstly, pay up universal basic income so that we don't have to accept slavery under penalty of famine and death, and secondly, use the money to distribute resources fairly without allowing for the hoarding of it.
      almost everything we do today is for the system itself, it helps us with nothing at all(but helps rich people get richer) like telemarketing or making those useless products you get ads for.
      it's insulting, immoral, unethical, and unacceptable. but there's nothing we can really do, everyone knows every answer already, but they'll still refuse to act on them until half the population of the planet goes away(if you think eugenics and capitalism don't go hand in hand you should go back to studying the roots of feudalism)
      and those who care about it are mostly in the lower half of the global population.
      but that's it. the super rich are the only ones with real power to do anything, and they won't. it's already too late and they're still competing to see who can "grow" more before even they themselves have to do something about it(but then it'll be too late(bc it is already) and their only option will be fleeing to space)
      sorry to hit you with all that, I hope the hope inside you never dies and I wish you live a happy life and a miracle saves the planet. good luck for us all

  • @sunnyd9884
    @sunnyd9884 Рік тому +1

    oh yeah, mars.. that’s definitely why i care about..darkness plants

  • @isaackellogg3493
    @isaackellogg3493 9 місяців тому

    “Scientists think the plants may have been starved of growth by the high levels of potassium in the acetate fed to the plants.” But BRAWNDO is what plants crave-it’s the Thirst Obliterator!

  • @johnzengerle7576
    @johnzengerle7576 Рік тому +1

    How would it taste if it does not have sugar?

    • @user255
      @user255 Рік тому +2

      The acetate is used to create sugar in the plant.

  • @guywiththebottle
    @guywiththebottle Рік тому

    Now that is potentially amazing. Imagine the possibilities...

  • @mMeFlora
    @mMeFlora Рік тому

    0:27 weird cut after he says salad

  • @dailynotes2845
    @dailynotes2845 Рік тому

    A solution to a problem that can be solved without it.
    Always the cost
    Always the benefits

  • @guyclykos
    @guyclykos Рік тому

    This probably is the answer to sustainably growing grain indoors.

  • @Ewr42
    @Ewr42 Рік тому

    what about using other photosynthetic processes? c4 or C6, idk, the one cacti and bromeliads use in their thick leaves

  • @jessstuart7495
    @jessstuart7495 Рік тому +1

    So, Acetate is an anion. Are they adding potassium acetate?

  • @TheJensPeeters
    @TheJensPeeters Рік тому +2

    I think it's not that straight forward, that to you can just remove light from the equation. It is responsible for a lot of regulation. You might be able to give phytohormones and/or have to heavily modify thier genoms.

  • @GeraldGama
    @GeraldGama Рік тому +1

    I know evolution takes a very long time but if that gets adopted at a large scale won’t it influence evolution to get rid of leaves 🍃 because basically crops will be bypassing photosynthesis?

    • @johnathanbrandt2526
      @johnathanbrandt2526 Рік тому

      Agriculture companies will probably selectively breed out the photosynthetic abilities of such plants long before natural selection moves in that direction anyway. The plant gives better crop yield because it doesn't have to spend energy on maintaining leaves and chloroplasts and it becomes a bottle neck for the companies to control the agriculture as now the plants can not be grown wild or just by some independent farmers because it has to be grown in a lab.
      Interesting and potentially useful technology unfortunately as with all technology people are the problem

  • @chingwu8366
    @chingwu8366 Рік тому

    I got a bonsai last year and took care of it with water and indoor lights, and it died after 7 months with light green leaves and soft roots.
    Not an expert so I’m not sure if it’s because of water or indoor lights 🤔

  • @sueanoimm
    @sueanoimm Рік тому +1

    Plants from Stray game becomes real now

  • @babygorilla4233
    @babygorilla4233 Рік тому

    Is the reason for this just to make plants more efficient? I've grow plants indoors without the sun. Not sure why this needed to be done but it is really cool.

  • @lruddy8820
    @lruddy8820 Рік тому +1

    it seems kind of obvious different plants would need different "recipes" of acetate, different plants need different fertilizers and ratios of elements and molecules in those fertilizers, i dont know if it was something that was done but it wasnt mentioned in this video and seems like a huge oversite if the same acetate formula was used on different plants

    • @eskimo4130
      @eskimo4130 Рік тому

      I guess they only ran a single trial to see if it was kinda possible rather than viable.