I don’t know, I think the satisfying sense of relief you get from taking a piss that you’ve held in for nearly an hour while trying to find a bathroom can be downright orgasmic
Having had to clean both the men’s & women’s rooms while working at various restaurants & bars, I must say that yes: men’s rooms can get a little messy. Some errant urine here, a few scraps of toilet paper there. The women’s rooms *would* be slightly tidier... but only like 40-50% of the time. When they’re bad, though, it goes straight from semi-acceptable, First Apartment After College messy, straight to Goddamn Biohazard Ebola Containment Zone D:
I've worked as a janitor for a few months on the NJ turnpike. Men's rooms smell worse, but women's rooms ARE worse... because of the presence of blood. A bunch of bloody tampons in some regular-ass metal boxes, on the floor or in the toilet, some blood on the seat.... and when one woman sees that, it cascades downhill. The next lady hovers, spraying piss everywhere, OR builds a nest out of toilet paper. The piss sprayed everywhere is mechanically fine, as a quick wipedown and mop-up takes care of it all. The nest is worse, because there's always that retarded woman who has to use 20 lbs of paper for her nest, then tries to flush it all. Now there's an unusable stall, bloody tampons, water all over the floor, and more women are gonna come in and piss/bleed all over everything with even less discretion. Men's room? Worst i'd ever seen there and not the women's room was ONE case of somebody shitting their underwear and leaving them under the toilet.
The next time someone starts going on about "Western Civilization", remember that Europe, particularly the capitalist hellscape of London, had major sewage problems resulting in epidemics of cholera while the swarthy Indian folk in Mohenjo Daro had actual septic systems and city planning that blew ours out of the water *literally thousands of years before Homer was born*
it's almost tragic when you consider that white people showing up and doing colonialism set these places back so far that India today faces sanitation issues.
Eh I don't think you can really apply our modern conception of what it means to be "transgender" specifically (or any expression of sexuality or gender identity as we understand it today) to a culture so far removed from our own, I think more so people like Elagabalus just prove that the rigidity of such norms as we knew them for much of modern history in "the West" are relatively distinct in the scope of the history of the world. It's very plausible though that the same basic biological truths that motivate trans people to transition today also motivated gender non-comforming people of the past, like Elagabalus and like the Hijra of India, the Mahu of Hawaii and the many other examples of people of a "third gender" that were present in countless cultures before they were introduced to a very specific brand of Western Christianity that forbade all such expression.
I really appreciate how this woman's very sane and reasonable plan is every time you go to take a piss you've got to weigh the odds as to whether there might be another woman in the room who feels like calling the cops. Whether you can wiz without being arrested for pee pee crimes essentially depends on how benevolent Madeline here feels that day. I mean it does sound like the kind of plan a white woman going for power lunches in posh restaurants with her bestie's toddler would come up with. Really similar to that other very sane and reasonable plan about being black and existing outside, and sometimes inside.
It’s almost like there is a problem with sexual harassment in this country that makes women constantly fearful of men. If only there was some social or political movement that wanted to break down these hang-ups and solve these issues so that people can interact with less fear and society can work more cohesively. Like, we could call them “socialists” or something since they want to make it easier to be social.
Women will put it inside them without thinking twice about it. In a urinal, you can pee without even touching it. Total is a waste of time to do it everytime.
The French have been doing this for ages. Not from some activism or such, but from necessity. In tightly packed cities space is at a premium, and in many cases you simply can't put two separate bathrooms with their separate sets of sinks and aisles and so on in a cramped old building. Thus, I don't get this thing about them being wasteful or inconvenient. I believe a common complaint is that ladies' is overfilled while men's is empty (apparently ladies need more time) Sharing all facilities would allow more efficient usage of them (to the detriment of men). Apparently the debate is ideologically charged. If, however one considers merely practical aspects, it makes good sense. The fact that men and women share the facilities (and often ladies pass men using the urinal on their way to the stalls) does not generate the type of problems that the conservatives are imagining.
Grace Blakeley cracks me up, 10/10 excellent guest. Gutting her side lost the election. Get her on Chapo again ASAP. She’s really good on TrashFuture as well, well worth a listen.
MAX POWERS exactly. Or how there are schools and gyms with open showers when ppl (including kids) are supposed to be completely naked in front of each other. Even if they are of the same gender, not everyone is comfortable with that. Individual stalls just solve all that
@@madnessends2477 that shit just makes the line become abhorrently long the only actual argument vs gender neutral bathrooms is that then i'd have to wait longer to piss
He definitely was portrayed as saying that phrase in Iannucci's 'The Death of Stalin', although whether or not he said it in real life is uncertain as far as I know
My first job was retail, and part of my job was bathroom maintenance. Women's restrooms, in America at least, are unequivocally more disgusting than men's.
The hot British chick is right about the debate over whether Jesus peed and pooed, but it's Muslims who debate the topic not Christians. The Christian consensus is that although Jesus was God Jesus was also human, therefore he did pee and poo. So they don't spend a lot of time on the topic. Muslims use the topic as a common debate prompt saying Jesus couldn't have been God because he peed and pooed, and God does not pee and poo.
They should know the feeling is mutual. ANY time I go to the bathroom in public it's a "risk assessment". How passing am I today? Where am I? Is it safe? Do the people appear to be safe? Can I hold it? Or at the sinks I have the same fucking thoughts, is this lady going to attack me? Like fuck, I just want to pee, wash my hands and check my makeup and gtfo like everyone else. I can't tell you how many times I went into an empty bathroom and then someone came in while I was in the stall, and out of fear I stayed in my stall until they left. I hate this stupid society
And now I work in a large factory and the bathrooms are set up right next to each other and I've heard some horrific sounds coming out of that place 😂😂
It's interesting this bathroom debate. Considering almost all large scale buildings built in Europe between the 1960s and 1980 had non-gendered restrooms. In that they're individual rooms with their own toilet not stalls and either have their own sinks in the rooms or have a shared handwashing facility in am open hallway observable by reception. Most old public civic buildings and schools are like this. It's almost as if the evolution of design has produced the correct solution; closed non-genered stalls and open highly visible hand washing areas.
As someone who worked for a cleaning service back in the day I can assure you that womens bathrooms are not clean lol the one thing besides the period cans that I remember is in all the ladies rooms the piss for some reason was always on the bottom of the toilet seat and to this day that still perplexes me😂
It's a fact that girls need a female only space for strategising and workshopping ongoing conversations and interactions in mixed social settings such as pubs and clubs where they can talk about the men and how the flirting is or isn't going without having to worry about the men overhearing them. So if public settings all get co-ed public toilets instead of segregated public toilets, what will happen is that another kind of room will get invented specifically for urgent women only conversation. Which is fine.
At a design sit down; the lead architect, a womz, was looking to create more storage space, I suggested the creation of on unisex bathroom, she sketched it out (I have an architecture background as well) and found it saved just the amount of space needed. pretty much 50% less space. I for one also like the idea of segregating bathrooms by piss or shit, but its not needed.
How about a making it illegal to stuff ‘Baby-Changing Stations’ into ‘Women’s Rooms’...?! Oh and this was at a Physician’s Building which also had an ILLEGAL (Heavy) door which opened out, leaving me in throbbing pain, I literally crumbled onto the very nice tile floor...and I am going to write a fucking essay on : Why America : IS THE SECOND WORLD, a Visitation from a Temoprary Escapee or All of the times I should have Sued!!
It seems as though the first "gender-neutral" room in the story was a one-person-at-a-time room common throughout the world! The boys were being boys, too spacy to lock the door, not naughty at all. They might have been surprised and sought to break in on her as she did on them. Not rational, but these were little boys. Not a nice thing to do, but these were little boys. Not defending them; I hope someone has a good talk with them. This writer is the usual right-wing liar. A straight student who knew I was gay once said to me that I must love men's rooms. I set him straight(er) on that, telling him what one of the guys said about eye contact, and affirmed that I used bathrooms solely for excretion & post-excretal wash-up.
i dont see the problem with taking your friends children out with you. I look after my friends older brothers daughter sometimes and usually take her to a diner or something when i do.
it absolutely has. there might be some small fringe tradcaths but other than that the conservatives have lost the gay debate and dont even think about it anymore because no one cares. before Bush ran on changing the constitution to make gay marriage impossible now republicans dont talk about it bc it isnt enough to work up their base.
Window dressing , virtue signalling and tokenism is ok if it makes you feel better about your privilege. However , you won't sweep women's rights away that easily.
Ah, another classical "THING THAT DEFINITELY HAPPENED" scenario.
you don't believe it bra?
@@willknowsright9615 I soooo don't believe it
The Kill Bill thing is so poignant. Chris is underrated as hell.
our sweet Theremin Boy
Imperial-era Roman baths weren’t separated by gender.
“But when I *say* I want to go back to the Roman times, I meant bringing back slavery?”
Neither was Jewish independence in most of the bible. I wonder how Ben feels about that?
They also had coed vomitoriums.
@@alex-qd6of Oh yeah and all the alt right would be plebs.
@@alex-qd6of well so do we
There is no such thing as a ‘pleasant public bathroom experience ‘.
I don’t know, I think the satisfying sense of relief you get from taking a piss that you’ve held in for nearly an hour while trying to find a bathroom can be downright orgasmic
Having had to clean both the men’s & women’s rooms while working at various restaurants & bars, I must say that yes: men’s rooms can get a little messy. Some errant urine here, a few scraps of toilet paper there.
The women’s rooms *would* be slightly tidier... but only like 40-50% of the time. When they’re bad, though, it goes straight from semi-acceptable, First Apartment After College messy, straight to Goddamn Biohazard Ebola Containment Zone D:
I've worked as a janitor for a few months on the NJ turnpike.
Men's rooms smell worse, but women's rooms ARE worse... because of the presence of blood.
A bunch of bloody tampons in some regular-ass metal boxes, on the floor or in the toilet, some blood on the seat.... and when one woman sees that, it cascades downhill. The next lady hovers, spraying piss everywhere, OR builds a nest out of toilet paper.
The piss sprayed everywhere is mechanically fine, as a quick wipedown and mop-up takes care of it all. The nest is worse, because there's always that retarded woman who has to use 20 lbs of paper for her nest, then tries to flush it all.
Now there's an unusable stall, bloody tampons, water all over the floor, and more women are gonna come in and piss/bleed all over everything with even less discretion.
Men's room? Worst i'd ever seen there and not the women's room was ONE case of somebody shitting their underwear and leaving them under the toilet.
I've been a custodian for fast food. Both about the same, can't really blame any gender for destroying the toilet at McDonald's or wherever I worked.
The next time someone starts going on about "Western Civilization", remember that Europe, particularly the capitalist hellscape of London, had major sewage problems resulting in epidemics of cholera while the swarthy Indian folk in Mohenjo Daro had actual septic systems and city planning that blew ours out of the water *literally thousands of years before Homer was born*
d'oh...
it's almost tragic when you consider that white people showing up and doing colonialism set these places back so far that India today faces sanitation issues.
Also, there was a Trans Roman Emperor. Granted, they didn’t last long, but they existed.
Only good emperor tbh, we stan Elagabalus.
@@TheMadalucard heligobalus 🌞
Elegabalus gang
Eh I don't think you can really apply our modern conception of what it means to be "transgender" specifically (or any expression of sexuality or gender identity as we understand it today) to a culture so far removed from our own, I think more so people like Elagabalus just prove that the rigidity of such norms as we knew them for much of modern history in "the West" are relatively distinct in the scope of the history of the world. It's very plausible though that the same basic biological truths that motivate trans people to transition today also motivated gender non-comforming people of the past, like Elagabalus and like the Hijra of India, the Mahu of Hawaii and the many other examples of people of a "third gender" that were present in countless cultures before they were introduced to a very specific brand of Western Christianity that forbade all such expression.
Yep right around when the whole thing emploded. Makes you think.
I really appreciate how this woman's very sane and reasonable plan is every time you go to take a piss you've got to weigh the odds as to whether there might be another woman in the room who feels like calling the cops. Whether you can wiz without being arrested for pee pee crimes essentially depends on how benevolent Madeline here feels that day.
I mean it does sound like the kind of plan a white woman going for power lunches in posh restaurants with her bestie's toddler would come up with. Really similar to that other very sane and reasonable plan about being black and existing outside, and sometimes inside.
It’s almost like there is a problem with sexual harassment in this country that makes women constantly fearful of men. If only there was some social or political movement that wanted to break down these hang-ups and solve these issues so that people can interact with less fear and society can work more cohesively.
Like, we could call them “socialists” or something since they want to make it easier to be social.
@@samiamrg7 how does the above conflict with combating sexual harassment?
Electric Ladyland is definitely my favorite album by the Female Toilet Experience.
Women and men in a restroom MIGHT increase the men’s ability to achieve the handwashing stage!
Women will put it inside them without thinking twice about it. In a urinal, you can pee without even touching it. Total is a waste of time to do it everytime.
at my job, we have two bathroons: Unisex and Employees Only.
There are only two genders, Unisex and Employee.
Nothing but respect for the REAL genders of capitalist America
My job has bathrooms just for the management. Our pee can't mix with theirs.
The French have been doing this for ages. Not from some activism or such, but from necessity. In tightly packed cities space is at a premium, and in many cases you simply can't put two separate bathrooms with their separate sets of sinks and aisles and so on in a cramped old building. Thus, I don't get this thing about them being wasteful or inconvenient. I believe a common complaint is that ladies' is overfilled while men's is empty (apparently ladies need more time) Sharing all facilities would allow more efficient usage of them (to the detriment of men). Apparently the debate is ideologically charged. If, however one considers merely practical aspects, it makes good sense. The fact that men and women share the facilities (and often ladies pass men using the urinal on their way to the stalls) does not generate the type of problems that the conservatives are imagining.
The French also aren’t as scared as the opposite genders private parts as we are
"I saw the female toilet experience on tour in 1987" hahahahahahahahaha
Love Grace Blakeley. Beautiful inside & out. Nice one once again Mister Chapo.
*What did you do in the War, Grandad?*
*I guarded our bathrooms*
I forgot when Amber had a British accent
Grace Blakeley cracks me up, 10/10 excellent guest. Gutting her side lost the election.
Get her on Chapo again ASAP. She’s really good on TrashFuture as well, well worth a listen.
I've cleaned the bathrooms at numerous restaurants I've worked in and sorry, the ladies room was dirtier than the men's room 99% of the time.
I dont understand how this is even possible mechanically though lmao
Little kids are never going to behave themselves in public restrooms change my mind
ah my young classy friend, let me regale you with nostalgia for the time before america had gender neutral bathrooms. *a silent tear*
Individual stalls. Boom. Problem solved
MAX POWERS exactly. Or how there are schools and gyms with open showers when ppl (including kids) are supposed to be completely naked in front of each other. Even if they are of the same gender, not everyone is comfortable with that. Individual stalls just solve all that
@@madnessends2477 that shit just makes the line become abhorrently long
the only actual argument vs gender neutral bathrooms is that then i'd have to wait longer to piss
Having worked several janitorial jobs, I can say from experience that women's bathrooms were, on average, dirtier than the men's bathrooms.
Do none of my fellow gents cross the streams during a communal wee??
‘ Bathroom purity’...🤣
I'm going to name my band The Female Toilet Experience
I think you mean, “Latrine Marine”
Chris kills it. A+
"Bread and Peace" Didn't Lavrentiy Beria use that in a speech? Or did he just do that in a movie.
He definitely was portrayed as saying that phrase in Iannucci's 'The Death of Stalin', although whether or not he said it in real life is uncertain as far as I know
My first job was retail, and part of my job was bathroom maintenance. Women's restrooms, in America at least, are unequivocally more disgusting than men's.
The hot British chick is right about the debate over whether Jesus peed and pooed, but it's Muslims who debate the topic not Christians.
The Christian consensus is that although Jesus was God Jesus was also human, therefore he did pee and poo. So they don't spend a lot of time on the topic.
Muslims use the topic as a common debate prompt saying Jesus couldn't have been God because he peed and pooed, and God does not pee and poo.
They should know the feeling is mutual. ANY time I go to the bathroom in public it's a "risk assessment". How passing am I today? Where am I? Is it safe? Do the people appear to be safe? Can I hold it? Or at the sinks I have the same fucking thoughts, is this lady going to attack me? Like fuck, I just want to pee, wash my hands and check my makeup and gtfo like everyone else.
I can't tell you how many times I went into an empty bathroom and then someone came in while I was in the stall, and out of fear I stayed in my stall until they left. I hate this stupid society
Gender bathroom conversion therapy
And now I work in a large factory and the bathrooms are set up right next to each other and I've heard some horrific sounds coming out of that place 😂😂
Gender neutral bathrooms at home are private places though?
Good last line to cut at
It's interesting this bathroom debate. Considering almost all large scale buildings built in Europe between the 1960s and 1980 had non-gendered restrooms. In that they're individual rooms with their own toilet not stalls and either have their own sinks in the rooms or have a shared handwashing facility in am open hallway observable by reception. Most old public civic buildings and schools are like this. It's almost as if the evolution of design has produced the correct solution; closed non-genered stalls and open highly visible hand washing areas.
When. They. Are. Drunk.
As someone who worked for a cleaning service back in the day I can assure you that womens bathrooms are not clean lol the one thing besides the period cans that I remember is in all the ladies rooms the piss for some reason was always on the bottom of the toilet seat and to this day that still perplexes me😂
It's a fact that girls need a female only space for strategising and workshopping ongoing conversations and interactions in mixed social settings such as pubs and clubs where they can talk about the men and how the flirting is or isn't going without having to worry about the men overhearing them. So if public settings all get co-ed public toilets instead of segregated public toilets, what will happen is that another kind of room will get invented specifically for urgent women only conversation. Which is fine.
@Emperor Swagatine no, no one will shit in the gal talk room. they'll just talk. and do cocaine
How do you know what goes on in there? You sicko, caught one boys
They have their phones for that now
As a gay, I have no clue why anyone needs a special space to discuss the flirting
@@TheAsyouwysh Of course not. Why would you?
At a design sit down; the lead architect, a womz, was looking to create more storage space, I suggested the creation of on unisex bathroom, she sketched it out (I have an architecture background as well) and found it saved just the amount of space needed. pretty much 50% less space. I for one also like the idea of segregating bathrooms by piss or shit, but its not needed.
How about a making it illegal to stuff ‘Baby-Changing Stations’ into ‘Women’s Rooms’...?! Oh and this was at a Physician’s Building which also had an ILLEGAL (Heavy) door which opened out, leaving me in throbbing pain, I literally crumbled onto the very nice tile floor...and I am going to write a fucking essay on : Why America : IS THE SECOND WORLD, a Visitation from a Temoprary Escapee or All of the times I should have Sued!!
Her accent is really hot.
So... a little girl accidentally walked in on some boys in the bathroom. And the young boys proceeded to misbehave.
...oh no
And I thought these were the 'boys will be boys' crowd.
It seems as though the first "gender-neutral" room in the story was a one-person-at-a-time room common throughout the world!
The boys were being boys, too spacy to lock the door, not naughty at all. They might have been surprised and sought to break in on her as she did on them. Not rational, but these were little boys. Not a nice thing to do, but these were little boys.
Not defending them; I hope someone has a good talk with them.
This writer is the usual right-wing liar.
A straight student who knew I was gay once said to me that I must love men's rooms.
I set him straight(er) on that, telling him what one of the guys said about eye contact, and affirmed that I used bathrooms solely for excretion & post-excretal wash-up.
Yeah, dude, women's restrooms are waaay more gross than men's rooms.
the things I have seen blood smeared on
i dont see the problem with taking your friends children out with you. I look after my friends older brothers daughter sometimes and usually take her to a diner or something when i do.
It's more the fact this outlandish scenario is being used to "Justify" how bathrooms should work.
I love her laugh lmao
her voice ...
People who don’t want “their daughters see penis” should also be against kindergartens. Oh, things that i saw in kindergarten...
I dunno Virgil, Coke snorting on urinals is a pretty alfa move
I see another very classy 7 year old on course to AP algebra at Dalton with professor Jeff Epstein.
Jesus Christ... Ok
This is an odd one most Scots in print are pretty funny a lot of dark sarcasm
Chris was on fire for this one
Depends on the Scots I guess? There are plenty of right wing Scots with no sense of humour.
Child of the Lie yeah guess it's the exposure
Most women think this is a shitty idea. Because it's a shitty idea.
It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
British lady only worried about skipping the queue. We can all wait in the long line women make!
The gay marriage issue hasn't gone away yet.
But it is a very small problem compared to trans rights
it absolutely has. there might be some small fringe tradcaths but other than that the conservatives have lost the gay debate and dont even think about it anymore because no one cares. before Bush ran on changing the constitution to make gay marriage impossible now republicans dont talk about it bc it isnt enough to work up their base.
"Topics Amber won't touch with a 5 mile stick"
Way too smart
Window dressing , virtue signalling and tokenism is ok if it makes you feel better about your privilege. However , you won't sweep women's rights away that easily.