Knowing that this presentation it more focused on the genealogical use of heraldry than on heraldry itself - very nice presentation. Well done overall. The only real criticism I have is that the "context" of the presentation being focused on genealogical use of heraldry vs. American Heraldry is not completely clear until one listens to the whole presentation.
Coats of Arms are not always unique in various countries - for example many in Germany differenced through the crest. To my knowledge, Differencing in the College of Arms by brisure has been more or less abandoned.
Americans get coats of arms through assumption. Obtaining grants from foreign entities has effect only within those jurisdictions and has no effect in the United States or any external location than the jurisdiction.
Last sentence is only half right. Almost all countries recognize grants of arms from other countries to citizens of those countries. For example, a grant by Lord Lyon to a Scot would be recognized in Italy as legitimate.
You can also commit murder if you are discreet, but it is still AGAINST THE LAW. Just because you don't get caught, doesn't mean you are tearing up t he social contract.
I wonder why he neglected to mention that "family coats of arms" do not exist in English heraldry (unlike, say, German heraldry). It's not enough to prove that you are the descendant of someone who was entitled to a coat of arms. Arms are not passed on "from fathers to sons", but from fathers to eldest sons only. Younger sons and daughters do not inherit coats of arms, unless their elder brother dies or forfeits his inheritance. That means that, even if you are the legitimate great-great-grandson of Lord Suchandsuch, you still don't get to use his coat of arms, unless your father was the oldest son of an oldest son of an oldest son. In other words, only one person can own an English coat of arms at any time. I suspect that Dr. Taylor was well aware of this, but he didn't want to say it, because that would invalidate many Americans' claims to coats of arms. Probably even his own.
You could devote a few entire university level classes just to English heraldry. I believe it's the only Monarchy left in the world will a full time government office of it. I always add that each country has it's own laws and regulations concerning it.
Especially in the German states, some of the symbols used in burgher arms were rather runic or cryptic, than symbolic. Not having a heraldic name for something meant it couldn't be described.
Traditionally, since the arms are tied to the name, and a woman took her husbands name on marriage, she did not pass on her father's arms to her children. In the late 20th century this began to change, and Canada is the first country to have cadency for daughters as well as sons.
In countries that have an established, governmental heraldic authority, assumed arms are usually illegal. OTOH, those countries are also usually relatively easy for a citizen to get granted arms.
In the British *tradition* they are legitimate -- under British *law* they are not. A fine distinction, but an important one. ALL arms were originally assumed.
@Danny Mccary Mc or Mac are both derived from Irish or Scottish Gaelic. Both forms are popular in Scotland and Ireland. It comes from the Gaelic/Irish word mac which when placed before a name means "son of". Mc is the same as Mac.The contraction from Mac to Mc has occurred more in Ireland than in Scotland, with two out of three Mc surnames originating in Ireland, but two out of three Mac surnames originating in Scotland. It sounds more Irish to me if I had to guess, I’m 80/20 for Irish over Scottish.
"Fathers to sons" is certainly historical - however simplistic and not current in several contexts, particularly Canada where they embrace equality laws.
I wonder about the iconoclastic laws that took place in europe and how they may affect the authenticity of the heraldry of today seeing as how many of the crests and achievements depict blacks although our modern history books depict the same persons as white today. 🤔
DNA is not considered adequate for descendants - must have traditional genealogical documentation. Scottish is: By the Name heraldry. Not Genealogical.
My family came to the states back in 1639 to Maryland. I have lived here all my life. Thanks for your video’s.
I really enjoyed this presentation and have shared it with several friends who love heraldry.
Excellent presentation. Thank you
A "Coat" of Arms, was quite literally, a Coat, or "mantle" depicting the "Arms and armaments" (weapons) and the Crest, of the Person in question.
Very informative, sir. Thank you.
Knowing that this presentation it more focused on the genealogical use of heraldry than on heraldry itself - very nice presentation. Well done overall. The only real criticism I have is that the "context" of the presentation being focused on genealogical use of heraldry vs. American Heraldry is not completely clear until one listens to the whole presentation.
Coats of Arms are not always unique in various countries - for example many in Germany differenced through the crest. To my knowledge, Differencing in the College of Arms by brisure has been more or less abandoned.
Americans get coats of arms through assumption. Obtaining grants from foreign entities has effect only within those jurisdictions and has no effect in the United States or any external location than the jurisdiction.
Last sentence is only half right. Almost all countries recognize grants of arms from other countries to citizens of those countries. For example, a grant by Lord Lyon to a Scot would be recognized in Italy as legitimate.
You can also commit murder if you are discreet, but it is still AGAINST THE LAW. Just because you don't get caught, doesn't mean you are tearing up t he social contract.
Theft of intellectual property is theft -- so you don't have a problem with someone stealing your identity? Or is trolling your life calling?
I wonder why he neglected to mention that "family coats of arms" do not exist in English heraldry (unlike, say, German heraldry). It's not enough to prove that you are the descendant of someone who was entitled to a coat of arms. Arms are not passed on "from fathers to sons", but from fathers to eldest sons only. Younger sons and daughters do not inherit coats of arms, unless their elder brother dies or forfeits his inheritance.
That means that, even if you are the legitimate great-great-grandson of Lord Suchandsuch, you still don't get to use his coat of arms, unless your father was the oldest son of an oldest son of an oldest son.
In other words, only one person can own an English coat of arms at any time.
I suspect that Dr. Taylor was well aware of this, but he didn't want to say it, because that would invalidate many Americans' claims to coats of arms. Probably even his own.
You could devote a few entire university level classes just to English heraldry. I believe it's the only Monarchy left in the world will a full time government office of it. I always add that each country has it's own laws and regulations concerning it.
Wow very interesting
Burgher arms being "quasi-heraldic" - that should be better defined. The are heraldric.
Especially in the German states, some of the symbols used in burgher arms were rather runic or cryptic, than symbolic. Not having a heraldic name for something meant it couldn't be described.
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Interesting discussion. I cover a lot of heraldic topics on my channel, in particular a series called “Heraldic Mysteries.” Thanks again!
Questions of female inheritance - note: "In the English Tradition"...
Traditionally, since the arms are tied to the name, and a woman took her husbands name on marriage, she did not pass on her father's arms to her children. In the late 20th century this began to change, and Canada is the first country to have cadency for daughters as well as sons.
Assumed arms ARE perfectly legitimate. There seems to be an implication in the presentation they are not.
In countries that have an established, governmental heraldic authority, assumed arms are usually illegal. OTOH, those countries are also usually relatively easy for a citizen to get granted arms.
In the British tradition, assumed arms are illegitimate. In continental European traditions, they are legitimate.
In the British *tradition* they are legitimate -- under British *law* they are not. A fine distinction, but an important one. ALL arms were originally assumed.
Did he go over badges? I watched and took notes then he mentioned them at the end but I dont have notes on them.
Heritable. Etymon “Her”. Relative to Motherhood, from whom you receive your inHERitance. At least in the aboriginal context of heraldry.
My son told me the mccary's was Scottish and I was told I'm curious was Irish can you tell me which one it is please
@Danny Mccary
Mc or Mac are both derived from Irish or Scottish Gaelic. Both forms are popular in Scotland and Ireland. It comes from the Gaelic/Irish word mac which when placed before a name means "son of". Mc is the same as Mac.The contraction from Mac to Mc has occurred more in Ireland than in Scotland, with two out of three Mc surnames originating in Ireland, but two out of three Mac surnames originating in Scotland. It sounds more Irish to me if I had to guess, I’m 80/20 for Irish over Scottish.
@@stevenrobinson7722 "FITZ" also has a similar connotation as Mc or Mac
Not true the 1st coat of arms was videntifiable in 6 century by Kings of carinthia Black Panther in a silver or a white field
"Fathers to sons" is certainly historical - however simplistic and not current in several contexts, particularly Canada where they embrace equality laws.
I wonder about the iconoclastic laws that took place in europe and how they may affect the authenticity of the heraldry of today seeing as how many of the crests and achievements depict blacks although our modern history books depict the same persons as white today. 🤔
Casey coat of arms
DNA is not considered adequate for descendants - must have traditional genealogical documentation.
Scottish is: By the Name heraldry. Not Genealogical.
It should be as they say mommas baby daddies maybe