Any chance that portable recorder can be set to some sort of "mono" mode? It's just so... distracting(?) for the speakers to move a mere couple of inches, and their voice bouncing back and forth from 90% left to 90% right.
Re Kipling1957: the Audio-Technicas were cardioid, but in the 7:45 of discussion there was no mention of the pattern used for the other two types. Cardioid is likeliest, I suppose. It also seems odd that both "Shure" and "Neumann" are incorrectly spelled in the description.
@@simonb4666 You'd do yourself a favour! I just bought a stereo pair. AKG was soldout to Harmon in 2017 and moved headquarters out of Austria. 20 long time employees then left, bought up a lot of the office space/resources including their historic testing chambers, and setup this new company "Austrian Audio". They went to replicate the C12 capsule and basically build their "dream 414" based on the C12 capsule that made the series famous. An original AKG C12 now goes for about $20,000. The C818 is pretty dang spot on the sound, dare I say slightly better.. and it's a fraction of the price. Miles better than the current AKG 414's in my honest opinion! And way more versatility (infinite polar pattern options).
I was expecting to hear the 818s just with the ATs. This would be a more typical 4 mic setup to showcase their capabilities. Kinda weird using “all mics” as the demo, muddied by the 414s.
I think he set them up in cardioid pattern although they're often used in polar 8 pattern with the additional xlr cable yet I didn't see that being used in this particular setup. Hope this helps ...
Maybe it was added after you commented, but it does say in the video description Austrian Audio Oc818's and Audio Technica 4051"s. The AKG 414's weren't used in this video.
It seemed like the AT were running a little hot. I would have thought you'd of mixed the other way; the AA LDC as the 'mains' running louder, and the At SCD just to bing in some air. I think the volume difference may have skewed the tonal balance, cause the AT's almost sounded darker.. That said it sounded great when all together. beautiful piano playing too. What are these clowns arguing about 414 mics here..? They weren't even used on this demo.
@@Mkohlbauer Aside from one variation of 414's which can be sometimes used all the other 414's use transformers on input and output . Transformers limit the dynamic range and also add harmonics and colour and reshape the sound of the thing they record. This is fine mostly , but when a piano buidler has spent hours , like a violin maker building their piano or instrument its seems a great shame to then record it with a device that adds its own image and colour to the process.......
Thanks for the insight. I love the spaciousness in the way you set up the AT "outriggers".
Any chance that portable recorder can be set to some sort of "mono" mode? It's just so... distracting(?) for the speakers to move a mere couple of inches, and their voice bouncing back and forth from 90% left to 90% right.
Oh god yes, please. :)
Just make it mono in post. It was super distracting.
Re Kipling1957: the Audio-Technicas were cardioid, but in the 7:45 of discussion there was no mention of the pattern used for the other two types. Cardioid is likeliest, I suppose. It also seems odd that both "Shure" and "Neumann" are incorrectly spelled in the description.
Lots of gems in this one, LOVE IT!
Strange mics positioning. Maybe it would be good for jazz, but not for classical music. And it sounds too wide IMHO.
interesting, I love blumlien on piano, a pair of U87ai's always sound good to me. I need to try out the AA OC818 pair, they sound great here.
Hi guys, I'm a composer/pianist based near Birmingham. Would it be possible to discuss a recording session?
the 4051 sound great...the bass!!!
Gosh those 4051s sound good! I was wondering about saving up for the AKG 414s for recording my piano, but I'm sorely tempted to give these a go.
I think the Austrian Audio OC818's are much much more intriguing for the price compared to 414's, unless you're going for rarer vintage models.
@@mavao3875 Thank you - I'll look into those!
@@simonb4666 You'd do yourself a favour! I just bought a stereo pair. AKG was soldout to Harmon in 2017 and moved headquarters out of Austria. 20 long time employees then left, bought up a lot of the office space/resources including their historic testing chambers, and setup this new company "Austrian Audio". They went to replicate the C12 capsule and basically build their "dream 414" based on the C12 capsule that made the series famous. An original AKG C12 now goes for about $20,000. The C818 is pretty dang spot on the sound, dare I say slightly better.. and it's a fraction of the price. Miles better than the current AKG 414's in my honest opinion! And way more versatility (infinite polar pattern options).
Did he mention what polar pattern he had them set to?
I was expecting to hear the 818s just with the ATs. This would be a more typical 4 mic setup to showcase their capabilities. Kinda weird using “all mics” as the demo, muddied by the 414s.
Read again. No 414s were used at all.
@@NameNaameNameeNaamee Thanks!
Those 818's are in cardioid, right?
I think he set them up in cardioid pattern although they're often used in polar 8 pattern with the additional xlr cable yet I didn't see that being used in this particular setup. Hope this helps ...
So much L/R differential in the ATs, especially. Pretty distracting on headphones. Lot of damper, too. Thick and creamy, otherwise.
the 4061 muddy it just needed the aa's imo, cool mics
Mics used?
Maybe it was added after you commented, but it does say in the video description Austrian Audio Oc818's and Audio Technica 4051"s. The AKG 414's weren't used in this video.
The info was posted from the get go - thanks for watching and interested to hear your thoughts on the mics. Don't the 4051's sound good?
@@RecordProduction I was also surprised how the AT sounded! Is that because they were positioned a bit out of the piano?
It seemed like the AT were running a little hot. I would have thought you'd of mixed the other way; the AA LDC as the 'mains' running louder, and the At SCD just to bing in some air. I think the volume difference may have skewed the tonal balance, cause the AT's almost sounded darker.. That said it sounded great when all together. beautiful piano playing too. What are these clowns arguing about 414 mics here..? They weren't even used on this demo.
People who use 414's have no idea about recording pianos.......
Why not? What are your arguments?
@@Mkohlbauer Aside from one variation of 414's which can be sometimes used all the other 414's use transformers on input and output . Transformers limit the dynamic range and also add harmonics and colour and reshape the sound of the thing they record. This is fine mostly , but when a piano buidler has spent hours , like a violin maker building their piano or instrument its seems a great shame to then record it with a device that adds its own image and colour to the process.......
@@underwoodstudio1821 Thank you! You mean the TLII, I suppose...
@@Mkohlbauer yes
@@underwoodstudio1821 I'd throw some high quality ribbons on there before anything else personally.