3D Printing ABS for a Smell Test!
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There was a certain Aus brand (who won't be named) that made the most ACRID smelling ABS I had to evacuate the room. Otherwise, I'm super weird and find the smell familiar and friendly... as it was my first filament >_> But still, don't print in the same room you work in!
for abs or with pla is fine?
ABS definitely will off gas as it prints. PLA will emit much less, but it will emit particulates, which is a potential concern for asthmatics. PETG emits the least from what I've heard. Polycarbonate can be downright nasty.
@@MMuraseofSandvich I run a mini air filter next to an ender 3 pro for pla. Don't print in your basement (like I do) if you want ABS. Still recommend an air filter for any print.
Maker's Muse im the same. ABS has a ‘childhood’ smell to me. Reminds me of new toys lol
i have two rolls of aurarum ABS .....
Step one: inhale abs fumes
Two minutes later:
This filter is working I cant smell any abs.
Let's inhale more from inside🤣
@@vmx200 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Background viewing - Kitboga is in almost all of my B roll audio :P
Love your videos
Kitboga is fantastic so i can 100% see why its B roll audio aha
WTH I just came from a kitboga vid
Your studio is 500 sq feet? In the SF Bay Area we have a name for that... A family home!
Mythbusters is my favorite thing to watch while doing things.
It’s even better when you are watching something you should not be trying at home.
Some larger industrial printers use a similar system to remove fumes to create an office-friendly system, I'm guessing this will probably catch on for people who have a print farm at home!
That’s cool
Hey Joel, I've just entered the world of 3d printing and the wealth of information in your channel has been super helpful. Keep up the great work mate. Thanks for putting your health on the line to satisfy our curiousity 😀😀
We run into the same issues with laser engraving. You have to run a filtration unit or vent to the outside. One definite no-no is to engrave any sort of plastic containing Polyvinyl Chloride. The off-gassing of PVC produces poisonous gas that is highly corrosive to the machine not to mebtion what it can do to one's lungs!
10:22 BOFA deez nuts!!!!!!!
Any recommendations on a cheaper filtration system? Something more affordable for a hobbyist level person who's not ready to invest enough to buy a another printer etc?
I just designed and made my own using a roomba filter, AC prefilter material some fans, or you can just use one of the many available designs.
When I was printing ABS all the time (well 7 hours at a time and 4 days a week) I bought a desktop HEPA filter and placed it inside the enclosure. This way it filtered out the bad stuff and kept the warm air inside. I think I paid $30 for it and used it for 8 years (I print mostly PLA now). Had my printer, filter, LED lights & small camera all on a power strip to turn it all on at one time.
That’s a fantastic idea
I prefer my cheaper solution, which is to go sit in a different room.
Oh yhea, thats the best
Different people have different reactions to different things. I've never had abs effect me, when I got my elegoo mars and printed with elegoo abs like redin I was fine. I loaded it up with siryatech blu and started a print to print overnight while I slept. The odor from it was enough to make me sick without realising it. I woke up feeling like I had a mild flu or severe cold. Bad headache etc.
Isn't that a huge rectangular hole in the back where the filament goes into the enclosure?
No. If you look really close, you can tell that there's a window covering that hole and the filament is coming in from above.
@@Jbot123 Ah. That explains why he wasn't smelling anything before he cracked open the door. I suppose you'd have to look REAL close... there's only the one angle.
What about DIY solutions? A home build enclosure with negative pressure using some PC fans (noctua if you care about noise) with activated carbon filters. Should be way cheaper.
I've been 3d printing for about 6 years now and ABS is all I ever used until I got my Prusa MINI earlier this year. I keep my printers in an enclosure I made that has a fan sucking the fumes out straight to the outside. All of this is in the office I spend all day in so I needed to make sure it was well ventilated. Since getting the MINI I've upgraded to all Prusa printers and now use PLA and PETG but ABS is still what I use the most. I would not suggest using an enclosure that didn't vent to the outside and that filter thing seems to suck out too much heat but that may not be an issue for PLA.
As for background noise, I keep youtube open in a tab while I'm working and have either you, Tom, or Angus playing.
The BOFA 1 seems like a cool filter. I can't wait until they release the _BOFA-TheseNuts_
I was rather shocked and impressed and confused that this was the only bofa comment 🤣
If you look at the MSDS for ABS, one of the byproducts of burning ABS is HCN (Hydrogen Cyanide)! Yeah, I do not think I will be using any ABS without some sort of filtration or venting to the outside.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide
You just enlightened me. Holy shneikies.
I put on Coraline, Super mario Bros, and most Studio Ghibli Movies
how about designing something we can make at a fraction of the cost ? Perhaps vacuum Hepa Filters or active carbon what is needed to remove the smell and is removing the smell good enough or are there smaller particles too ? I am super sensitive to the smell and within a very short time makes my throat sore so really want a good , but cheap way to do this.
AND build it inside the enclosure.
Now I want to see a full DIY activated carbon filter for an enclosure like this...
I've been toying with the idea. Not a fan of the huge external box though, so going to try to find something that will fit inside.
Voron nevermore is legit.
Remember kids, Styrene gas SUCKS!
Making cost effective safety products look bad is really bad for your viewers health. This wasn't a real world test at all which short changing the small one. You shouldn't smell during the print. A real world test would likely show that the smaller one would work just fine. The test should have completed the print (or stop it early), wait a couple minutes for it to filter the air, and then open the door and test. Its entirely reasonable to let the filter run for a couple minutes after the print is done because you aren't always staring at the entire print or you might want ABS to cool a bit before pulling it off. Instead you made a test that will make the more cost effective printer seem inadequate. Which will harm people that might be able to afford the small one but not the larger one.
By the way, I'm a fan and subscribed. This video rubbed me wrong because it could unintentionally harm people.
Not first!
When I work at a injection molding company if one of the heat band would malfunction and overheat the abs you would know it. Just being 100 feet from it your eyes and nose would start burning almost instantly. It was just as bad as pepper spray. Just thinking about it it's making my eyes water.
The fumes are a mixture of styrene particulates and formaldehyde gas given off as the ABS is heated. Personally, I mostly use PLA because of this. But..... I think that adding a filter may be a good idea for myself. It would be nice to print ABS without worrying about fumes.
Styrene is a candidate for being a carcinogen. Not sure it's been absolutely decided yet. It is known to cause headache and tiredness.
As for formaldehyde gas, that is odourless. It causes watery eyes, burning sensation in eyes, nose and throat, coughing, wheezing nausea and skin irritation. Others may have none of these symptoms. It has been classified as a carcinogen by a number of safety and public health organisations.
I certainly wouldn't have rushed this experiment as a little research shows plenty of studies of ABS printing adverse effects
Every filament should have an MSDS/SDS safety and emergency treatment document from the manufacturer.
@@theoriginalbabycub Verified by a third party lab* I don't trust these filament companies to have a clue what they are doing.
can i have some polyalchemy elixser my mom wont let me buy any pleeeeeeeeees
I find it odd that a maker would recommend buying an overpriced filter assembly. You can buy a high quality 6" fan and large carbon filter for $150. Adding a hepa filter would be easy. We use these all the time growing that which shall not be named. It is simple, cheap, and effective. Why buy when you can build?
Time
@@Aidenn23 It takes more time to order the assembled product than it does to assemble the parts (one band clamp). Not arguing the merits of the finished product, just pointing ut there is a cheaper and simple alternative.
Wow... fun video. Could a test like this be done on a Mars Pro or Mars 2 Pro... they say they have built in filters...
There are 2 enormous holes in that enclosure, please don't tell me it holds any fumes, not good for credibility!
Where were the 2 enormous holes? I had clear acrylic screwed over, so maybe the transparency made it look like nothing was there? Also, an enclosure *should* have some holes to breathe. Yeah, I didn't think that was the case until I learned about it.
@@3DPrintingNerd thanks for the respons, if those square holes are filled in it should indeed be fine. I stand corrected!
I would like to see this test with a DIY solution. Try a small HEPA filter, taped to the input side of a computer fan. Put that in the enclosure. That should help. ... At least that is my theory. ... I do a similar thing in my wood shop with a 20" box fan and it helps a lot when sanding.
Bambu X1C with bento box!
I use a Weller Fume Extractor, as I need it for soldering, and it is Cal/OSHA approved. I can barely hear it all, unless I’ve got my ear right up next to it, and I think it’s a little less than the larger unit that you used. It comes with 2 intakes, 1 for soldering, and 1 for my 3D printers. 😎
LOTR - extended edition, any of the trilogy in no particular order
I have a BlueAir series 200 air purifier - it's basically just a fan with a filter. Their "smoke stop" filters are the activated charcoal type. If I remember, I set it up next to the printer and that picks up the odour. I can also use it later to destink a room.
Thumbs up for Printed Solid 👍
Biggest problem is people buy these filters and dont realize that the charcoal has a very short lifespan before its pores are clogged and becomes useless. They figure I bought a filter, good to go. They NEED to be maintained on a very regular basis. Most charcoal style/hepa combo filters ive used, barely survived a full 8 hour print before the scent of ABS was already lingering heavily again as the charcoal was full and HEPA alone cant capture the nanoparticles.
ua-cam.com/video/zWgfA4LH01M/v-deo.html All I can think of is Dr Nick Riviera and the Juice Loosener ( a Simpsons reference, not the name of a 70s lounge band ) - "Are you sure it's on? I can't hear a thing." "It's whisper quiet!"
Fyi thingiverse paypal.me does not work for New Zealand. Hence it dont work for me. Ive suggested to Mr Felipe at Makerbot could we have payioneer, now we wait.
It would be an advantage if commitions could be made. And be worth uploading to there site.
Be well from Will and Mr Data :) :]
Stanky and excellent! A hazardous hobby is a fun hobby.
If you put in any more cutaways to movies, TV, and UA-cam videos, you'll soon be FAMILY GUY!
Your extractor (exhaust fan), should be connected to the bottom of the enclosure. This way the temperature in the unit stays constant.
Joel, it looks like the two gaping holes in the enclosure completely invalidate any tests, as the warm air will leave rapidly through the vent with the filament in it, while drawing in cool air from the hole on the left.
As the enclosure isn't airtight, it appears to be designed to reduce noise, not emissions!
I made an enclosure for my Ender using foam sheets and mylar bubble wrap, with the filament outside on a reel feeding through a small hole. The temperature inside gets to around 65 °C, but that was a bit too hot and cooked one of the servo driver chips, so need to cool the electronics separately.
Printing ABS is a pain, and I still haven't managed to get good results yet.
I think you’re seeing the clear acrylic covering the big holes?
Lucky I am not effectived by abs. I used to work for a plastics company in Gig Harbor. I was the lead bender. And we worked primarily with abs. I was around hot abs ALL day.
my background familiar noise is old 3d printing nerd videos. and some other youtubers too
printing with any filament gives me a sore throat. Prusament Galazy Black gives me the worst headache and makes me feel ill for a few days. I setup a section of my workshop next to a window and have three large fans pulling air out of a enclosed section.
wow...this seems super unsafe. what chemicals are coming off? in firefighting, some chemicals can effect you by screwing with your lungs and creating chemical pneumonia...that cant be cured, often causing death.
I built my printer cabinet large with a little shelf above the printer. I put one of those desktop HEPA air purifiers on the shelf and it's wired up to run while the printer is on plus five minutes after. This way there's no vent holes or fans and I can keep the enclosure soundproof, and you don't lose heat from a print. It just recirculates the air that's already in the cabinet.
i'm not the first, and nobody gives a hack, enjoy the video
I’ve got a sidewinder X one but we’re not getting the best prints out of it. Even if it’s on fine print. Is there anyway we can make it better?
Nice :)
How loud (dB) is the first filter box you tested?
And what does it cost?
I find drying the ABS filament in a heated dry box greatly reduces the fumes it releases when printing. Can make it brittle on the spool though but seems to restore ductility when printed.
Seeing how you run tests and make decisions about how bad or poisonous things are in a certain setup, based just on what you're smelling and feeling, I hope your friend never asks you "Hey, does carbon monoxide affect you?".
I wouldn't worry much about the "bad smell" more about the toxic VOCs and formaldehyde fumes... A HEPA is nothing, an active carbon filter somewhat helps, but honestly, the only good option is to vent the fumes outside, through a filter. Search for abs air test on youtube and you can find much more helpful information, than this completely useless waste of time, this random grown-up teenager talking about something he knows nothing about. I hope this video will be demonetized!
I am "on the fence" as to buying a Hot house growing filter system. I would like to see the same test with a similar system. Hot house systems are mostly a round Duct FAN and a round filter Plus vent hose. The Duct fans and filter are relatively inexpensive. The specs say that it puts out/draws a lot of air flow. I wonder if it is to much air flow to be used as a printer filtration system. That's my main question. Maybe if I can regulate the fan speed this might work. And Maybe this is just "Over Kill".
Sounds like you fired up a Phenom when the BOFA kicked in! I was expecting to see temps decrease when you kicked it on, but also thought there would be a little more moisture removed as well at those temps and CFM.
Printing with ABS gives me a headache.
Not because of the fumes, but because of the warping. XD
If you buy an Atmotube Pro ($179) it'll tell you VOC and PM2.5 levels in the air.
I will never print with ABS or ASA again without an enclosure. The styrene has a massive affect on me. For days after printing ASA causing me to have brain fog and headaches and slight loss of coordination. It’s taken me almost 12mths of doctors and scans to work out what was causing it. I found out while looking at getting a Bambu X1C and then it hit me that ASA might cause it so I checked all the times I was sick and matched it to the gcode dates and that was it.
Too much for carbon filter with ventilator. I guess you should replace cartridges every 3-6 months only for $499 each. How about to print your own box and put there HEPA filter with carbon from air cleaners, it should be cheaper.
I don't usually watch movies, I just play shows like Futurama, Archer, and some other animes. Sometimes I'll just play old episodes of UA-cam videos like your show, Scott the Woz, and Game Grumps. :)
I definitely have no plans on printing abs, at least not anytime soon SuperVinlin
Background movies are good energy, up beat and fun. marvel films certainly and the Martian. Pacific Rim and Fury Road are both on my list too. I also watch a lot of youtube. Been watching a show called Time team lately...fun British archaeology show. Highly recommended.
This is not a true enclosure test, Joel.. there is one big square hole in the top of the back of the enclosure and one near you at the bottom! Those would let smells and air come in and out of the enclosure and thus not be a true test of the enclosed printer smells? Even $235.00 is too much to pay for the fancy air fan in a box! Better use a full enclosure and a air fan in a box taking the small and bad air from the printing area to outside by a window or wall fan grid. You could buy another printer for that $235.00. And not all Hobbyist's are rich.
Was I seeing things or was there 3 large square holes in that enclosure, wouldn't have thought the enclosure would work all that well at hiding the smell at all due to that?
Did I just watch an advert for the BOFA because it seems like there are far cheaper options. An extractor fan at low speed leading air to a fillter and tubing leading clean air back into the enclosure is the poor mans bofa and has been utilized to remove smells and/or particles for what seems like ever. Wish the diy version of a bofa was discussed as an option.
The only issue I have with ABS is my cloths smell like it after a day of printing, but other than that, ABS is fine constantly running in my room. I do open the window though once in a while so the rest of my house doesn't smell of ABS but I've been printing for 7 years and no side affects so far
What do I put on when 3D printing? You Joel...I watch you on here. Great show , down to earth and even enjoy the failures as I think we have all had some of these. Cheers from Australia
What do I put on when 3D printing ABS? Safety underwear.
Just starting to watch this and wondering how you are going to measure this as it seems to me it’s going to be very subjective. But we will see.
I have been around a lot of scrubbers and I still think its not as safe as the manufactures have you believe. It still stinks and what the filter is actually scrubbing out is still questionable. Nothing works as well as a hood or inline exhaust fan. Price point is a big issue. Unless you have a cleanroom filtration system, Its much cheaper to run an exhaust pipe with a inline fan.
ancient aliens or UFO files etc
LOLs as I smear lacquer thinners with dissoved ABS over a warm glass plate then go for a 2 hour chem nap. Waiting with held breath for my replacement PEX sheet to arrive.
big trouble in little china
I find sitcoms as good background noise. The Office, Community, Schitt's, and the classic Malcolm in the Middle are all good background shows.
It's now almost 2023 and we have enough data now that we can say there are ZERO reasons to print in ABS anymore.
There are far better polymers out there for the same price point.
5:20 I don't watch movies a lot ... just a very excessive amount of UA-cam video's, lol. Seriously, it's on auto-play on the TV almost all day every day.
I would have given you a like...but smelling the products of ABS printing is a really bad idea. You don't go in the nuclear reactor to see if you survive the radiation right?
when is the joel custom nose going on kickstarter?
It affects temperature only because of your massive holes in your enclosure - obviously...
cheap carbon filter and small inline fan you'll save so much money. if you want to know how to stop smells go see the weed growers they have some great ideas.
i put on futurama in the background most days. sometimes even Dr Horrible's if im feeling frisky
I can't do musicals. I sing along and get distracted. But GOOD CHOICE.
Hamilton (2020 film) Drama musical film in probably the best to listen to in the background.
I have an internal hepa filter. I run the filter when the print is going. I also have an external vent going outside through a window adapter for portable Air conditioners. When the print is Done I turn on the external fan.
Nice video. I faced this problem before and decided to built a enclosure for my Prusa Mk3s. It reduces the noise and smell level (coal filter) by a lot and prevents warping as well. You might enjoy watching it :)
Me finding this video because I'm printing polymaker abs with no enclosure and can't smell a damn thing 😂
I listen to 3DPN (including this video) as background noise
the office, used to watch south park til they took it off hulu, family guy, american dad, but mostly youtube videos
I am thinking of building an enclosure made out of acrylic and have 2 fans attached, one for taking air out, where the air is taken straight out the window, and another fan taking air from the room into the enclosure. Does anyone know if this will work?
Lets Time Solve the problem of the ABS fumes, but you run into the issue of cooling.
Background viewing -- Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, The Office, and MST3K
Oof. $899. Just spent $1100 on this unit! Have you tested minimum speed necessary?
So im 15 and my my printer is in my bedroom and I print a lot of ABS and I have no problem with it and yes it prints over night
I listen to Dan Bongino, Perry Stone or Christian music while working around the shop.
the larger filter seemed to me to be not as loud as the smaller filter, asking for a friend that may be wanting to buy one of these filters
My printer is under the window on the right side
My bed is left side of the window
Still need a box like that or its ok?
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Great video, with us learning more and more about nanoparticles and how they enter the body, we're still waiting to find out what damage (if any) they can cause.
Baby Driver mostly because of the incredible soundtrack
I listen to Clyde Lewis maybe some chill lofi tunes while I work on my projects.
How many mesh calibration Points you have on your printer, this was more than nine i guess?
3d printing ABS without proper ventilation is really not good for you bro..
Back ground movies, all marvel movies, dark knight movies and transformer movies.
I printer with PLA or PETG. This saves me the housing and air filter.
What do I put on when I need Background noise? Why UA-cam of course.
How about attaching a shop vac with a HEPA filter to the enclosure? Just turn it on after the print is done. Not sure if that would work. It would definitely be a lower budget version, haha.
HEPA doesn't filter VOCs