People who push the "do your own research" idea, sadly very often forget the most important part - before you do, you should go learn how research is actually done!
It sometimes also is just a trick to have said person find gazillion of results that go one way or the complete opposite, so you end up picking the conspiracy theories because you wrongly distrust the accurate sources.
And honestly, you need a certain level of base knowledge. If you didn’t take organic chemistry, I think you should probably NOT do your own research, but instead determine the most likely best sources to guide you. Personally, I have a masters but not in science, nor did I take anything beyond 100 level college science, & I am not qualified to do my own research. Also, until we figure out why so many RNs are wacko anti-vaxxers (despite no data bearing out their claims), please don’t trust RNs blindly. They are not educated like PAs or MDs, they know many many things, but they do not get tons of training in pharmaceuticals, other than administering them & observing signs of adverse reaction. They don’t prescribe at the RN level & they don’t choose the vax products, so pls be careful if they try to advise you on things outside their expertise.
And if you find out that people you believe and respect also lied, covered up facts and suppressed discussion, you must hold them to the SAME standards you hold your ideological opponents.
@@andrasbiro3007 A fact given by a website you know nothing about is not the same as a fact given by people who have spent their lives studying the subject matter
@@pairuptechThat's opinions not facts. Facts are based on unbiased evidence and proof, and people who believe facts are always willing to change their beliefs when the evidence is available. Anyone who lives by the idea of "you must believe the same as I do and you're wrong if you don't" is a narcissist.
Ty for pointing that out! Colbert band’s intros for many of their guests are, many times, very appropriate and carefully thought out and I wonder if the audience gets most of them.
My Mom went to high school with Dr Collins. She said he was always just the nicest person and so wise even at that young age. The wonderful part is that he is so relatable.
He was one of my genetics professors in med school back in the day. Very smart and very nice guy. And I like the ways he has found to balance his faith with the objectivity of science.
What a humble, intelligent and geuninely interesting man, the type that you'd enjoy having a coffee with...Thanks SO much for having him on, Stephen...😉
@@rusethorcain The brain is the closest thing we have to magic, due to its ability to hear sounds, and to do some truly amazing math, which it then uses to turn some sounds into math... a rhythm... and then we have music. 😉😉
Ok just feeling good IS NOT therapy. Not all positive things are therapy. I totally agree but it has to be therapeutic. Insurers went too far & while it is possible to deliver art & music therapy thru insurance, it’s very expensive & the therapist won’t make enough money. Also, while they don’t yield what we call “therapeutic results,” positive experiences appreciating or esp creating art & music can be support services that have great benefits, esp if added to CBT or dialectical or edmr therapy etc. but there is a good reason to limit therapy options to the most effective.
Dr. Collins is an amazing guest, I'm so glad he's a guest and I really appreciate his perspectives. He speaks with such grace, calm, and thoughtfulness!
This man has such a combination of education, humility, faith and culture. Wisdom is the perfect word for all these things together. I liked especially his last answer of music… I sometimes forget about that, but I feel different when I’m listening to music that inspires me. This is only one example, but a well documented one. When I was a bit younger there came out a collection of music called “The Mozart Effect” which consisted of three compilations, one each on healing the body, strengthening the mind, and fostering creativity. Moving out from the Mozart effect (he was my favourite composer when I was a child), there is also music that can be deeply calming. I discovered some Japanese music that fits this category when I was there earlier this year. I’ve also spent a lot of time in Brazil and with Brazilians, and noticed that Brazilian music is present in almost every public space like restaurants, etc. around the world. It’s uplifting, enthusiastic, often romantic… the perfect combination to set the mood for a night out. I think I will need to read this book…
@@stringsalive20 I think most people never did. But for a long time people were told what the facts are from a single source, and even if it was a lie, at least everyone believed the same lies. Now there's no one official source of "truth", so people are forced to think for themselves, but they still don't know how.
I guess people can understand that the approach "How dare these facts clash with what I wish to be true?" does not work great in many areas of life, like in relationships.
I am comforted that we had this great man for so long. I hope whoever follows in his footsteps has his wisdom and judgement. Much respect to Dr. Collins! And yes, you should have gotten out there in front of that pandemic. Universal Healthcare would have saved all those lives too. We deserve it and it would save $450 million yearly according to a recent Yale study.
@@kaiser_suzi_ But if you believe in a Law Giver and you go out expect to find laws in nature and then you find such laws, kinda says something doesn't it? That's how modern science started in the seventeenth century - check out Peter Harrison (Harvard/Oxford) "The Territories of Science and Religion". Science is separate from religious belief (as opposed to crazy religions) and supports it.
@@kaiser_suzi_ Individual feelings change a lot and don't matter so much as facts. Catholic church was the biggest supporter of science for centuries and out of Christian Europe came modern science. If you have a reality based view of the world then you can ask the big faith questions about it. Religion and science do support each other - check out Peter Harrison (Harvard/Oxford guy) - "The territories of science and religion".
@@kaiser_suzi_ But if you can see reality (through science) you realise it's a beautiful world and so you want to know where it came from and ultimately Who made it. It's just curiosity taken to the next level. [Not sure why this comment keeps disappearing.]
@@archmage_of_the_aetheryou definitely do not arrive at general truth of the kinds gotten through science and such via wisdom. Coming up with the scientific method requires wisdom-learning and applying it and understanding reliable truths vs unreliable truths does not. Using most modern definitions of wisdom, it more applies to knowing how you should act and balance things in your own thinking in life. Of course this will involved gaining some new knowledge, but it is not the primary purpose, and nor does gaining vast amounts of knowledge necessarily relate to wisdom. We can reliably ascertain truth using logic and the scientific method (we can argue other methods but let’s not get into it). Coming up with those might have required wisdom. But receiving, understanding, learning, and applying it requires 0 wisdom. The wisdom comes in deciding what kind of truths to go after, and requires knowing some truths at its foundation. Collin’s is just saying if in your decision making, you have faulty data, you can learn to correct some of those easily correctable mistakes without having wisdom. For example, I can definitely reach someone critical thinking before I teach them wisdom. Someone can also learn to be a noble prize winning scientist without wisdom (I know around a dozen in different fields who would readily admit this).
@@archmage_of_the_aetherYou arrive at the truth via knowledge and unbiased evidence. Wisdom is making good judgements using that knowledge and unbiased evidence. Being knowledgeable and being wise are not the same thing, that's why you arrive at wisdom via the truth not the other way around.
It is a sad state of affairs that where once science and technology were revered and treated with respect it has become scoffed at, ignored or completely subverted by malicious actors. It is also reveals a real need to buttress our public schools and higher learning institutes to instill critical thinking as a fundamental skill in our citizens. We also need to update our education system to teach students how to safely navigate the internet and social media. Somewhere along the way we have dropped the ball.
Public schools are teaching curriculum dictated by politicians and lobbyists not educated, trained teachers. Local school boards are easily manipulated by partisan politics.
The problem of our social-media society is that many confuse “freedom of speech” with the “obligation to report” and facts and truth don’t really matter anymore, but getting a like does.
It’s worse. They don’t even confuse it with freedom of speech. They’re just saying what they want for clicks and using freedom of speech as an excuse. They don’t actually care about or understand freedom of speech enough to confuse it they’re just throwing words around to get people on their side.
When I was having surgery 20 years ago I asked friends to loan me all kinds of spiritual music to listen to while recovering. The doctor said that if it made me more comfortable, it wasn't contra-indicated. I knew better at the time -- that it's positively helpful and to be encouraged for patients. I hope more doctors will come to understand this.
My doctor encouraged me to bring my own play list to the surgical theatre. There is plenty of evidence to show that listening to certain music aids in the healing process.
ThanksDr Francis Collins❤ I have learned a lot from your ‘previous book “ The language of God” where you demonstrated the compatibility of Science and faith
Please keep up the good works 🙏 my baby girl died of suicide recently and I know the brain and coming off the meds was the main cause to her downfall. We need to help the kids of the future too many are giving up. Depression sucks and it's hurting so many people. Thank you for what you do Dr Collins
I’m glad he mentioned music. I’ve sung in memory care units and have been astounded by some patients’ reaction. People who seem completely disconnected from their surroundings suddenly connect when they hear a song that touches a sort of “memory nerve.” Is music actually our best form of communication?
Your reply has encouraged me to also name drop a terrific guitar acoustic baritone version of a classic 60's song called People Get Ready, you can find one of the best covers of this song at this link, and I encourage everyone not familiar with the song to really meditate on the words of the song as well, they're very inspiring: ua-cam.com/video/Tx_aGto-F-8/v-deo.html
Well, it just so happens that the vast majority of scientists are D, with the number increasing the harder the science. Less than 10% of physicists, mathematicians, foundations ppl/logicians, etc are R, around half are D, rest are independent. The closer you get to the profit centers the closer people get to becoming R. Non scientists like engineers and coders are more like 50-50, 60-40, 70-30. Then like petroleum engineers will for example lean conservative 😂.
It would be amazing if we actually let the experts in their fields and all their knowledge guide our country's major decisions instead of politicians beholden to large corp and money!
@@AtheismScientism No, it's not obvious. A means without, and you know what theism means. So all Atheism is is being without a belief in theism. Science really says nothing about that. It does disprove many of their claims, but that is different. There is no science and/or history atheism. There is a history OF atheism, but that's all. Scientists just need to deal in facts and evidence, and leave belief, (or lack of belief) out of it.
@@kaiser_suzi_ Science has nothing to do with the presence of absence of religion. It is simply based on facts and evidence. It is profoundly silly to label it based on any aspect of religion, even the absence of it.
The tragic flaw of the human being is our failure to distinguish belief from truth. Belief means not wanting to know what the truth is. Belief is very easy. But finding the truth is really, REALLY hard. Tragicaly, when humans think their belief is truth, the mind slams shut, and we are finished. That's what's happening to our species right now, more than ever befoere. Truth can be trusted, but if only if we can find it. We call it 'science': the one thing we might be able to trust as true. Whereas if we mistake the ease of belief for hard-won truth, we're doomed.
The question "why am I here," can be answered with knowledge of sexual reproductive science and a great understanding of all dna possibilities with computer science. The question "is there a god," can be answered with ethical political science and knowledge of responsible rule of law and a great imagining of all potential life forms culturally and physiologically. And the question "why is their something instead of nothing," can be used to demonstrate experimental proofs in all sciences that cannot be replicated everywhere and for all time and that even computer simulations could not discover.
I've never felt that science is compatible with a Magic Man in the Sky, but maybe we need people like Dr. Collins to talk to people of both persuasions. I hope his new book sells well.
@@speakoutsmith2072 Nope. Try to explain how split brain experimental data is compatible with your notion of souls. As I see it, it makes much more sense to regard Religions as naturally occurring (not supernatural) creations of human culture, that to attempt a supernatural explanation for the plethora of faiths (and their geographical distribution) and the problem of evil. You might read Dan Dennett’s Breaking the Spell. An older title now, but he is respectful of the faith communities. Not the last book in this discussion, either (see “critical reception » in the linked wiki) but a good start nonetheless: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Spell_(Dennett_book)#From_the_religious_community
Always a pleasure to hear from Dr. Collins. I find it sad that so many people think that you cannot believe in the wonders that science brings to us through the use of our brains and talents (which, if you believe in a higher power, are gifts bestowed on us) and still believe in religion, and therefore force themselves to choose only one. Whatever your religious or spiritual beliefs, why would you choose to go back to the Dark Ages, the plague, and death or disability caused by a lack of sanitation and vaccines, when a better life is available? Why not be blessed to have both?
Thank you for all that you did during the worst of it. We need more science involved as part of our future. Music is the best dopamine enjoy, also frequencies are good to enhance health! 🌹❤️
There are such things as established facts, and there are such things as passive aggressive sadists who relish the results of acting like there are not.
As a former NIH-funded scientist, I was delighted that you had Dr. Collins on the show. I subscribe to the two books as well - the Bible and Nature. Many colleagues couldn’t believe that I was a scientist with faith. Nice to know that Dr. Collins is in that boat as well.
Yes, it is difficult to realize that rational people can also be very irrational. Of course I would question how much of your research that you took on "faith" too. Maybe that is why you are a "former" scientist?
@@angelanorthcutt4339 So you have no problem with science saying that Unicorns, Giants, talking donkeys and men with magic hair are not real, but you believe they ARE real? That is beyond my ability to understand. I bet you cherry pick the bad stuff out too.
just looking stuff up is not research. there are guidelines and methods for measurement, investigation, and inquiry. at least start with: who, what, where, when, why, and how. go beyond hearsay.
It may sound crazy to some, but I can attest to the power of music for recovery from personal experience. Extraordinary power resides within ourselves that the right music, at the right time, can release to perform damned near miracles of healing!
yeah, it was also once a "fact" that the Sun revolved around the Earth -- but if you want to change an established fact, you need to bring evidence to support your position, and that bar seems to have gotten lower and lower for a large chunk of society (especially in the US) in the past 8 years or so 🙁
"It's all information, but it's not all true." My stock reply to, "Do you have any questions?" is, "Why is there something instead of nothing?" Thank you Dr Collins! Finally, music, dancing, and humor are all excellent nostrums for pain, but there is a time and a place for much stronger medicine.
One of the things I like about Francis Collins is even though he made the mistake of falling for man-made mythological God claim indoctrination and said he became a Christian after going on a hike and seeing three frozen waterfalls, which to him meant the Trinity, he wasn’t one of those Christians Who discounted science and basic biology of evolution. In fact, working with the human genome project, he literally said evolution could be proven to be true just from the genetics and that we didn’t even need to see the additional evidence that we have with fossils, etc. I wish more Christians would understand the basic science of things like evolution, geology, astronomy and cosmology, etc. But unfortunately, most conservatives and most Christians believe in, hoax, misinformation and conspiracy theories, such as the world being flat or only 6000 years old or evolution not being true etc. It’s sad and depressing. There are so many poorly educated people out there. I would prefer that Francis Collins and Stephen Colbert realize there’s no evidence that their particular mythology is true either but at least they both recognize the science and that’s better than nothing.
@@speakoutsmith2072 There’s no evidence that any of the particular man-made mythological indoctrinated God claims of Christianity are true. Until I see any evidence that it is, I will only appreciate the various Christian Bible translations as being some of the greatest works ever put together by a committee.
@ttrestle Your search for “evidence” of what is “true” is a product of the scientific revolution of Christian Europe. It came from religious people expecting laws of nature from a Law Giver. Your belief that truth exists independently of biological, chemical etc circumstances is itself an assertion that there is more than circumstances and the observable universe.
I was one of the people who were fully Vaxed and got COVID-19 anyway, at the age of 68, on Oct 31, 2022. I tested Positive at an Urgent Care Clinic. But, as Dr. Collins said, I did not have to go to a Hospital and take a Hospital bed from someone who needed it. Instead, I treated myself at home with PAXLOVID for 5 days. The COVID symptoms went away in 3 days, but I treated myself for 5 days, as the Doctor said. Now, It's almost 2 years later. During that time, I had my 4th COVID Booster and I remain COVID free! I still wear a mask if I go to a crowded place.
social media USERS are the issue. Not a good vs bad issue. But a interaction issue. So many say "it's a town square! Free speech! etc.etc. " but we treat a digital world as a "no rules, no laws, no regulation zone" that's not how our town squares, town halls or any public meeting space operate. Would you take your child to a park without any basic safety? Sure one is digital, the other physical... but why is our mental, visual & auditorial safety less important. People will bow down to an HOA because they want conformity. But online they'll vandalise, burn, assult and insult every one & anything. 😤
Wisdom is seated in critical thinking, but critical thinking is difficult. A fair number of people find it easy to accept baseless conspiracies without question, while disregarding the advice of well informed and wise individuals.
When one 'does their own research'... make sure it's from accepted scientific organizations.... not Aunt Betsy bug.... And unless you truly know a person's experiences, personally... Meaning you actually KNOW that person and are closely related to them, don't accept their anecdotes...
With all respect to Dr. Collins, I don’t think it’s as much the fault of the science community as the fault of the political community that they went to the punchy lines rather than the bland truth. People watch what they find interesting and if you say something boring, they won’t listen. That’s the people’s fault. They don’t want science they want to feel good. They want the discomfort of uncertainty to go away. I spent a lot of time listening to This Week in Virology (TWIV) podcast. I am pretty rusty from my college days so a lot of it went over my head, but it was incredibly informative and helped me to ignore a lot of what the media was saying and distorting. And also what people were wrongly claiming the science community was saying.
Here is a trick I used on people who claimed to do their own research during COVID. What, without looking it up, does R.N.A. stand for? Beuler? Beuler?
Dr. Collins is right. The rapid development and disbursement of a vaccine against COVID was an amazing scientific feat. I am old enough to have gotten a vaccine against polio on a sugar cube when I was a little kid--another amazing scientific triumph. Why did a bunch of bozos reject the COVID vaccine? Danged if I can figure that out.
@@kevinlowry3814 I've never seen an actual scientific study on those side effects. What I've seen were incredibly rare cases, they only appeared because of the scale of the vaccination campaign. The whole thing was mishandled in every way, but I don't think actual science was suppressed, way too many people were involved for that to work, and scientists really hate that kind of sh*t.
Huh? Without truth, faith would have no basis, and without faith, truth would be limited to what we've already observed. You'd have to try putting weight on every single point of a floor before you could be confident walking around on it.
@@LincolnDWard faith doesn't have a basis in truth, it has basis in feelings, in belief. Faith is required for belief, not for truth. the type of faith you're talking about is simply an adjective for "trust"
@@sciencesaves you're absolutely correct that it's just another word for trust. Biblically speaking, there is no distinction. The feelings-based belief you describe is a poor substitute - a security blanket for those needing a group identity and unwilling to do the real work of figuring out what to believe in.
@@LincolnDWard how about this, we can just believe in things that there is evidence and proof for, and leave all of the ridiculous faith nonsense in the garbage where it belongs :)
People who push the "do your own research" idea, sadly very often forget the most important part - before you do, you should go learn how research is actually done!
As if those average people could perform it themselves 🤣
And not just research that supports your idea.
It sometimes also is just a trick to have said person find gazillion of results that go one way or the complete opposite, so you end up picking the conspiracy theories because you wrongly distrust the accurate sources.
And honestly, you need a certain level of base knowledge. If you didn’t take organic chemistry, I think you should probably NOT do your own research, but instead determine the most likely best sources to guide you. Personally, I have a masters but not in science, nor did I take anything beyond 100 level college science, & I am not qualified to do my own research. Also, until we figure out why so many RNs are wacko anti-vaxxers (despite no data bearing out their claims), please don’t trust RNs blindly. They are not educated like PAs or MDs, they know many many things, but they do not get tons of training in pharmaceuticals, other than administering them & observing signs of adverse reaction. They don’t prescribe at the RN level & they don’t choose the vax products, so pls be careful if they try to advise you on things outside their expertise.
And if you find out that people you believe and respect also lied, covered up facts and suppressed discussion, you must hold them to the SAME standards you hold your ideological opponents.
Facts don’t care how you feel about them. Thank you for having Dr. Collins as a guest!
Everyone agrees on that, just not on what those facts are.
@@andrasbiro3007 A fact given by a website you know nothing about is not the same as a fact given by people who have spent their lives studying the subject matter
Bible verses, neato
@@nicolecopland461 right? I think the old guy is going senile
@@pairuptechThat's opinions not facts. Facts are based on unbiased evidence and proof, and people who believe facts are always willing to change their beliefs when the evidence is available.
Anyone who lives by the idea of "you must believe the same as I do and you're wrong if you don't" is a narcissist.
Perfect intro music...
'She blinded me with Science' Thomas Dolby
You gotta love 80's Alternative music!
@@JillWhitcomb1966 80's in general were pretty sick music wise
Ty for pointing that out! Colbert band’s intros for many of their guests are, many times, very appropriate and carefully thought out and I wonder if the audience gets most of them.
My Mom went to high school with Dr Collins. She said he was always just the nicest person and so wise even at that young age. The wonderful part is that he is so relatable.
Thanks for sharing.
I'm not surprised by that at all.
He was one of my genetics professors in med school back in the day. Very smart and very nice guy. And I like the ways he has found to balance his faith with the objectivity of science.
Responsible for liss of 20M lives and $25T because of his support for GOF research. Should be in jail.
@@TakenTookResponsibe for loss of 20M lives and $25T because of his support for GOF research. Should be in jail.
Congratulations, Stephen, for pointing us toward the Road to Life...
What a humble, intelligent and geuninely interesting man, the type that you'd enjoy having a coffee with...Thanks SO much for having him on, Stephen...😉
Have heard many interviews with Dr. Collins. Please listen to this very wise man...Handles the tough questions with such grace and dignity.
He needs a podcast OR
We the people need him to podcast....
Win/win 👍😉
…I’ll add, a touch of wit & humor! 😊
I think I may have just found a new hero.... What a wise, thoughtful and kind gentleman.
His previous book, “Belief: Readings on the Reason for Faith” is really good, too.
And funny. That first bit when Stephen was signing the book - 😂
I'm an atheist and love him. He came to faith through science so I've always thought he had a beautiful perspective
He's my uncle! And he is a warm and wonderful in person for real. ❤
@@RozzieBass you’re very fortunate 😀
WE have used Music Therapy, Art Therapy, and more as Therapy for people for over a hundred years and longer!!!! WE need more of it in our lives!!!
Once it wasn't therapy, it was just a way of being.
Music is the closest thing we have to magic.
@@rusethorcain The brain is the closest thing we have to magic, due to its ability to hear sounds, and to do some truly amazing math, which it then uses to turn some sounds into math... a rhythm... and then we have music. 😉😉
Music makes my body want to move and dance and that is therapy, as well.
Ok just feeling good IS NOT therapy. Not all positive things are therapy. I totally agree but it has to be therapeutic. Insurers went too far & while it is possible to deliver art & music therapy thru insurance, it’s very expensive & the therapist won’t make enough money. Also, while they don’t yield what we call “therapeutic results,” positive experiences appreciating or esp creating art & music can be support services that have great benefits, esp if added to CBT or dialectical or edmr therapy etc. but there is a good reason to limit therapy options to the most effective.
Thank you Dr. Collins. As a musician I love your answer.
Dr. Collins is an amazing guest, I'm so glad he's a guest and I really appreciate his perspectives. He speaks with such grace, calm, and thoughtfulness!
I think Dr. Francis should have gotten 2 segments and Jeremy Strong 1. THIS guest was fascinating and charming, and I wanted to hear more!
Dr. Collins is a National Treasure! His work has supported my career as a Neuroscientist/ Biophysicist, and Christian. Thank You, RESPECT!
Music, exercise, meditation. Sleep well, eat well, exercise well, think well! We need more Dr. Francis Collins ❤
North, east and attics got me southwest! Concepts of the coordination Navi nest! Love love LOVE this from you, Stephanie!😊
Music Therapy - has extraordinary solutions for healing. We need more of it. ❤
This man has such a combination of education, humility, faith and culture. Wisdom is the perfect word for all these things together.
I liked especially his last answer of music… I sometimes forget about that, but I feel different when I’m listening to music that inspires me.
This is only one example, but a well documented one. When I was a bit younger there came out a collection of music called “The Mozart Effect” which consisted of three compilations, one each on healing the body, strengthening the mind, and fostering creativity.
Moving out from the Mozart effect (he was my favourite composer when I was a child), there is also music that can be deeply calming. I discovered some Japanese music that fits this category when I was there earlier this year. I’ve also spent a lot of time in Brazil and with Brazilians, and noticed that Brazilian music is present in almost every public space like restaurants, etc. around the world. It’s uplifting, enthusiastic, often romantic… the perfect combination to set the mood for a night out.
I think I will need to read this book…
Yeah I wanna read his book
Great guest , one of the best ones , I could listen to him for a couple of hours ! ! ! !
Me too, and I would like to. He knows what he's talking about- so he doesn't need to yell, call people names, insult anyone, or contradict himself.
Bring Critical Thinking back into school
Half the country are home schooled or attend religious schools.
I speak on behalf of teachers here…. We’re trying. Teaching critical thinking skills never left, but the world doesn’t value them.
@@stringsalive20
I think most people never did. But for a long time people were told what the facts are from a single source, and even if it was a lie, at least everyone believed the same lies.
Now there's no one official source of "truth", so people are forced to think for themselves, but they still don't know how.
Better yet, TEACH critical thinking in school.
And, civics
I guess people can understand that the approach "How dare these facts clash with what I wish to be true?" does not work great in many areas of life, like in relationships.
Unfortunately it works perfectly in politics. That's why we are in this big pile of trouble.
I am comforted that we had this great man for so long. I hope whoever follows in his footsteps has his wisdom and judgement. Much respect to Dr. Collins! And yes, you should have gotten out there in front of that pandemic. Universal Healthcare would have saved all those lives too. We deserve it and it would save $450 million yearly according to a recent Yale study.
We love dr francis collins and stephen colbert
Dr Francis Collins is a great counterpoint to those who think that being 'Christian' and questioning scientific fact are compatible.
I think you mean "incompatible"?🤔
He's great!
They are incompatible. Just cuz some people choose to believe both doesn't mean they support each other.
@@kaiser_suzi_ But if you believe in a Law Giver and you go out expect to find laws in nature and then you find such laws, kinda says something doesn't it?
That's how modern science started in the seventeenth century - check out Peter Harrison (Harvard/Oxford) "The Territories of Science and Religion".
Science is separate from religious belief (as opposed to crazy religions) and supports it.
@@kaiser_suzi_ Individual feelings change a lot and don't matter so much as facts. Catholic church was the biggest supporter of science for centuries and out of Christian Europe came modern science. If you have a reality based view of the world then you can ask the big faith questions about it. Religion and science do support each other - check out Peter Harrison (Harvard/Oxford guy) - "The territories of science and religion".
@@kaiser_suzi_ But if you can see reality (through science) you realise it's a beautiful world and so you want to know where it came from and ultimately Who made it. It's just curiosity taken to the next level. [Not sure why this comment keeps disappearing.]
I've been fascinated with Dr Collins ever since he was put in charge of the Human Genome Project
He seems like an extraordinarily sound and levelheaded man with faith and feet on the ground.
@@rusethorcain Levelheaded and "faith" are oxymorons.
@@wellhellothere6347 Sure they are. Did you used to be an altar boy?
We need MORE scientists on these shows
SciComm is based
This man isn't a scientist, he's a theist pretending to play science.
The right music really does speak to the soul.
Clearly a good and wise man.
By his definition you need to already know truth to have wisdom.. therefore he thinks you can't arrive at the truth via wisdom.
@@archmage_of_the_aetheryou definitely do not arrive at general truth of the kinds gotten through science and such via wisdom. Coming up with the scientific method requires wisdom-learning and applying it and understanding reliable truths vs unreliable truths does not. Using most modern definitions of wisdom, it more applies to knowing how you should act and balance things in your own thinking in life. Of course this will involved gaining some new knowledge, but it is not the primary purpose, and nor does gaining vast amounts of knowledge necessarily relate to wisdom. We can reliably ascertain truth using logic and the scientific method (we can argue other methods but let’s not get into it). Coming up with those might have required wisdom. But receiving, understanding, learning, and applying it requires 0 wisdom. The wisdom comes in deciding what kind of truths to go after, and requires knowing some truths at its foundation. Collin’s is just saying if in your decision making, you have faulty data, you can learn to correct some of those easily correctable mistakes without having wisdom. For example, I can definitely reach someone critical thinking before I teach them wisdom. Someone can also learn to be a noble prize winning scientist without wisdom (I know around a dozen in different fields who would readily admit this).
nope
@@archmage_of_the_aetherYou arrive at the truth via knowledge and unbiased evidence.
Wisdom is making good judgements using that knowledge and unbiased evidence.
Being knowledgeable and being wise are not the same thing, that's why you arrive at wisdom via the truth not the other way around.
Truth and Honesty go hand and hand
Uh, yeah, they are synonyms.
music speaks to the soul and touches our emotions unlike anything else
thanks for having this unbelievably humble genius on your show.
I would have liked to hear more from Dr. Collins. He shouldn't have been rushed off.
Check out his visit with Russell Moore just recently released
Pet Therapy is major too!!!
Music therapist here-absolutely loved how you described the power of music, AND the “two books from God.” 🙌
It is a sad state of affairs that where once science and technology were revered and treated with respect it has become scoffed at, ignored or completely subverted by malicious actors. It is also reveals a real need to buttress our public schools and higher learning institutes to instill critical thinking as a fundamental skill in our citizens. We also need to update our education system to teach students how to safely navigate the internet and social media. Somewhere along the way we have dropped the ball.
Oh ya!
The evil people are all doing homeschool anyway
@@M_SCThat's not true, and painting entire groups of people with the same brush is a big part of the problem these days.
We need to use science to solve the problems of science communication.
Public schools are teaching curriculum dictated by politicians and lobbyists not educated, trained teachers. Local school boards are easily manipulated by partisan politics.
Yes, music and art is therapeutic!
I am a visual artist and making art has gotten me through many difficult times! Music and dance has also helped!
The problem of our social-media society is that many confuse “freedom of speech” with the “obligation to report” and facts and truth don’t really matter anymore, but getting a like does.
It’s worse. They don’t even confuse it with freedom of speech. They’re just saying what they want for clicks and using freedom of speech as an excuse. They don’t actually care about or understand freedom of speech enough to confuse it they’re just throwing words around to get people on their side.
So true.
Let’s have him on the show more often please!
Amen👏👏👏
@Caesar And what shall we talk about??? 🤔
@@bwenluck9812 Well he's written a book on faith, science....
When I was having surgery 20 years ago I asked friends to loan me all kinds of spiritual music to listen to while recovering. The doctor said that if it made me more comfortable, it wasn't contra-indicated. I knew better at the time -- that it's positively helpful and to be encouraged for patients. I hope more doctors will come to understand this.
My doctor encouraged me to bring my own play list to the surgical theatre. There is plenty of evidence to show that listening to certain music aids in the healing process.
ThanksDr Francis Collins❤ I have learned a lot from your ‘previous book “ The language of God” where you demonstrated the compatibility of Science and faith
I haven't figured it out yet. Too many things that don't make sense and I need a deity that makes sense.
Please keep up the good works 🙏 my baby girl died of suicide recently and I know the brain and coming off the meds was the main cause to her downfall. We need to help the kids of the future too many are giving up. Depression sucks and it's hurting so many people. Thank you for what you do Dr Collins
I am so sorry. I lost a friend to the same condition., I questioned Gods plan afterwards. Take care of yourself, big universal hugs Angelahuro4921.
😢 so sorry Hugs and love 💕
@@kittyalown we gotta help each other. Even just brainstorming
❤💔🙏💔❤
So very sorry for your loss Angela 🙏
I’m glad he mentioned music. I’ve sung in memory care units and have been astounded by some patients’ reaction. People who seem completely disconnected from their surroundings suddenly connect when they hear a song that touches a sort of “memory nerve.” Is music actually our best form of communication?
I highly recommend Peace Train by Cat Stevens for when you’re feeling down. It really helps.
Your reply has encouraged me to also name drop a terrific guitar acoustic baritone version of a classic 60's song called People Get Ready,
you can find one of the best covers of this song at this link, and I encourage everyone not familiar with the song to really meditate on the words of
the song as well, they're very inspiring:
ua-cam.com/video/Tx_aGto-F-8/v-deo.html
@@flolou8496 always loved that song
@@flolou8496 The boat to Jordan has been cancelled due to lack of belief in it. This is the dawning of The Age Of Aquarius. Get on board.
Awesme! Scientists are my heros!
🎵 ⚗️🧪🧬🧫🔬🎶 "...blinded me with science!" 👏😄 Nice song choice!
Wonderful wonderful guest! ✨
What a great intro from the band. I could’ve listened to that for another five minutes.
Science doesn’t require a R or D. It’s fact based!
But don’t you have to do R and D to establish those facts?
@@bretfoltz7737 Just the R. The D is what you do with your findings.
Well, it just so happens that the vast majority of scientists are D, with the number increasing the harder the science. Less than 10% of physicists, mathematicians, foundations ppl/logicians, etc are R, around half are D, rest are independent. The closer you get to the profit centers the closer people get to becoming R. Non scientists like engineers and coders are more like 50-50, 60-40, 70-30. Then like petroleum engineers will for example lean conservative 😂.
This was a great interview, I am going to go listen to Project Pat and dump dopamine into my Ventral Striatum .
It would be amazing if we actually let the experts in their fields and all their knowledge guide our country's major decisions instead of politicians beholden to large corp and money!
Other sources of endorphins: laughing!, orgasm, chocolate
Great interview! Some actual useful information, along with humility and humor. Thank you!
The band intro was great
No claps at 6:28???
We need more scientists promoting science & history atheism. Leading scientists must not be afraid. 🇺🇸
"Science and history atheism"? What in the world is that?
@@AtheismScientism No, it's not obvious. A means without, and you know what theism means. So all Atheism is is being without a belief in theism. Science really says nothing about that. It does disprove many of their claims, but that is different. There is no science and/or history atheism. There is a history OF atheism, but that's all. Scientists just need to deal in facts and evidence, and leave belief, (or lack of belief) out of it.
@@wellhellothere6347 It's unbiased science and history facts, rather than science and history twisted by religion.
@@kaiser_suzi_ Science has nothing to do with the presence of absence of religion. It is simply based on facts and evidence. It is profoundly silly to label it based on any aspect of religion, even the absence of it.
The tragic flaw of the human being is our failure to distinguish belief from truth. Belief means not wanting to know what the truth is. Belief is very easy. But finding the truth is really, REALLY hard. Tragicaly, when humans think their belief is truth, the mind slams shut, and we are finished. That's what's happening to our species right now, more than ever befoere. Truth can be trusted, but if only if we can find it. We call it 'science': the one thing we might be able to trust as true. Whereas if we mistake the ease of belief for hard-won truth, we're doomed.
"Tragicaly, when humans think their belief is truth, the mind slams shut, and we are finished." That belief of yours, that is true?
The question "why am I here," can be answered with knowledge of sexual reproductive science and a great understanding of all dna possibilities with computer science. The question "is there a god," can be answered with ethical political science and knowledge of responsible rule of law and a great imagining of all potential life forms culturally and physiologically. And the question "why is their something instead of nothing," can be used to demonstrate experimental proofs in all sciences that cannot be replicated everywhere and for all time and that even computer simulations could not discover.
I hope we see this man again.
Dr. Collins seems to have as much personality as Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson.
This is how the rest of the world used to see Americans - bright, "chipper".
I've never felt that science is compatible with a Magic Man in the Sky, but maybe we need people like Dr. Collins to talk to people of both persuasions. I hope his new book sells well.
It's a magic woman! Not a man!
Now we must go to war over this disagreement. 😂
It is possible to have a sophisticated concept of god without resorting to miracles or blatant falsehoods.
@@jeffkitson9565 Isn't Reason itself a miracle? Comes from beyond the atoms and molecules through which it occurs.
@@speakoutsmith2072 Nope. Try to explain how split brain experimental data is compatible with your notion of souls.
As I see it, it makes much more sense to regard Religions as naturally occurring (not supernatural) creations of human culture, that to attempt a supernatural explanation for the plethora of faiths (and their geographical distribution) and the problem of evil.
You might read Dan Dennett’s Breaking the Spell. An older title now, but he is respectful of the faith communities. Not the last book in this discussion, either (see “critical reception » in the linked wiki) but a good start nonetheless:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Spell_(Dennett_book)#From_the_religious_community
Part of the blowback against facts is all about faith-based biblical literalism.
Always a pleasure to hear from Dr. Collins. I find it sad that so many people think that you cannot believe in the wonders that science brings to us through the use of our brains and talents (which, if you believe in a higher power, are gifts bestowed on us) and still believe in religion, and therefore force themselves to choose only one. Whatever your religious or spiritual beliefs, why would you choose to go back to the Dark Ages, the plague, and death or disability caused by a lack of sanitation and vaccines, when a better life is available? Why not be blessed to have both?
Thank you for all that you did during the worst of it. We need more science involved as part of our future. Music is the best dopamine enjoy, also frequencies are good to enhance health! 🌹❤️
Well, love is pretty good, too!
There are such things as established facts, and there are such things as passive aggressive sadists who relish the results of acting like there are not.
How about listening to music while you exercise? A full blown endorphin explosion!!!
As a former NIH-funded scientist, I was delighted that you had Dr. Collins on the show. I subscribe to the two books as well - the Bible and Nature. Many colleagues couldn’t believe that I was a scientist with faith. Nice to know that Dr. Collins is in that boat as well.
Yes, it is difficult to realize that rational people can also be very irrational. Of course I would question how much of your research that you took on "faith" too. Maybe that is why you are a "former" scientist?
Exactly I always thought God was even greater for making all this stuff! Science never made me question my faith .
@@angelanorthcutt4339 So you have no problem with science saying that Unicorns, Giants, talking donkeys and men with magic hair are not real, but you believe they ARE real? That is beyond my ability to understand. I bet you cherry pick the bad stuff out too.
@@wellhellothere6347 😂😂😂ok
@@angelanorthcutt4339 Thanks for verifying. 🙄
I agree on music!!
just looking stuff up is not research. there are guidelines and methods for measurement, investigation, and inquiry. at least start with: who, what, where, when, why, and how. go beyond hearsay.
Common sense is a virtue as well as truth!
"Common Sense" is very uncommon…..
This guy didn't dumb down America . the smartest guy on tv since the 70s
I am very sensitive to music and have used it for years to dampen pain. My favorite genres are classical and crossover classical for minimizing pain.
"Hurt feelings don't justify being right."
"Being upset doesn't make you correct."
"Your feelings aren't facts."
It may sound crazy to some, but I can attest to the power of music for recovery from personal experience. Extraordinary power resides within ourselves that the right music, at the right time, can release to perform damned near miracles of healing!
yeah, it was also once a "fact" that the Sun revolved around the Earth -- but if you want to change an established fact, you need to bring evidence to support your position, and that bar seems to have gotten lower and lower for a large chunk of society (especially in the US) in the past 8 years or so 🙁
"It's all information, but it's not all true."
My stock reply to, "Do you have any questions?" is, "Why is there something instead of nothing?" Thank you Dr Collins!
Finally, music, dancing, and humor are all excellent nostrums for pain, but there is a time and a place for much stronger medicine.
One of the things I like about Francis Collins is even though he made the mistake of falling for man-made mythological God claim indoctrination and said he became a Christian after going on a hike and seeing three frozen waterfalls, which to him meant the Trinity, he wasn’t one of those Christians Who discounted science and basic biology of evolution. In fact, working with the human genome project, he literally said evolution could be proven to be true just from the genetics and that we didn’t even need to see the additional evidence that we have with fossils, etc. I wish more Christians would understand the basic science of things like evolution, geology, astronomy and cosmology, etc. But unfortunately, most conservatives and most Christians believe in, hoax, misinformation and conspiracy theories, such as the world being flat or only 6000 years old or evolution not being true etc. It’s sad and depressing. There are so many poorly educated people out there. I would prefer that Francis Collins and Stephen Colbert realize there’s no evidence that their particular mythology is true either but at least they both recognize the science and that’s better than nothing.
Why do you say that their "mythology" is not true either?
@@speakoutsmith2072 There’s no evidence that any of the particular man-made mythological indoctrinated God claims of Christianity are true. Until I see any evidence that it is, I will only appreciate the various Christian Bible translations as being some of the greatest works ever put together by a committee.
@ttrestle Your search for “evidence” of what is “true” is a product of the scientific revolution of Christian Europe. It came from religious people expecting laws of nature from a Law Giver. Your belief that truth exists independently of biological, chemical etc circumstances is itself an assertion that there is more than circumstances and the observable universe.
Very Yep!!
I love how "She Blinded me with Science" was his walkout song.
I was one of the people who were fully Vaxed and got COVID-19 anyway, at the age of 68, on Oct 31, 2022. I tested Positive at an Urgent Care Clinic.
But, as Dr. Collins said, I did not have to go to a Hospital and take a Hospital bed from someone who needed it. Instead, I treated myself at home with PAXLOVID for 5 days.
The COVID symptoms went away in 3 days, but I treated myself for 5 days, as the Doctor said.
Now, It's almost 2 years later.
During that time, I had my 4th COVID Booster and I remain COVID free!
I still wear a mask if I go to a crowded place.
1:53 Touche 🙏✝️
@7mins...music.... intro was Thomas Dolby. wow🙏😸
Always check your sources!!!
Hallelujah! What a great book! Thanks Colbert team for providing a path forward. ❤
Damn smart man
social media USERS are the issue. Not a good vs bad issue. But a interaction issue. So many say "it's a town square! Free speech! etc.etc. " but we treat a digital world as a "no rules, no laws, no regulation zone" that's not how our town squares, town halls or any public meeting space operate.
Would you take your child to a park without any basic safety? Sure one is digital, the other physical... but why is our mental, visual & auditorial safety less important. People will bow down to an HOA because they want conformity. But online they'll vandalise, burn, assult and insult every one & anything. 😤
Agree universal healthcare is a right!
Charming. 😘
So good music is literally addictive due to the big dopamine release.
Music will do it, as will ice cream.
Don't do both together, that's an OD. 🙂
Hot baths in winter. Cool water in the hot summer.
Wisdom is seated in critical thinking, but critical thinking is difficult. A fair number of people find it easy to accept baseless conspiracies without question, while disregarding the advice of well informed and wise individuals.
When one 'does their own research'... make sure it's from accepted scientific organizations.... not Aunt Betsy bug.... And unless you truly know a person's experiences, personally... Meaning you actually KNOW that person and are closely related to them, don't accept their anecdotes...
Great opportunity to learn about exponential growth & natural selection. 😢
It’s hard to add things up with other people if they refuse to do math.
Truth....interesting.
With all respect to Dr. Collins, I don’t think it’s as much the fault of the science community as the fault of the political community that they went to the punchy lines rather than the bland truth. People watch what they find interesting and if you say something boring, they won’t listen. That’s the people’s fault. They don’t want science they want to feel good. They want the discomfort of uncertainty to go away. I spent a lot of time listening to This Week in Virology (TWIV) podcast. I am pretty rusty from my college days so a lot of it went over my head, but it was incredibly informative and helped me to ignore a lot of what the media was saying and distorting. And also what people were wrongly claiming the science community was saying.
Here is a trick I used on people who claimed to do their own research during COVID.
What, without looking it up, does R.N.A. stand for? Beuler? Beuler?
When the COVID shots first came out, I thought they were our tickets to freedom. Why did so many people call them “poison” and refuse to take them?
Some,like me,are susceptible to negative side effects.I took all other precautions.I didn't get COVID.
Dr. Collins is right. The rapid development and disbursement of a vaccine against COVID was an amazing scientific feat. I am old enough to have gotten a vaccine against polio on a sugar cube when I was a little kid--another amazing scientific triumph. Why did a bunch of bozos reject the COVID vaccine? Danged if I can figure that out.
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I've never seen an actual scientific study on those side effects. What I've seen were incredibly rare cases, they only appeared because of the scale of the vaccination campaign.
The whole thing was mishandled in every way, but I don't think actual science was suppressed, way too many people were involved for that to work, and scientists really hate that kind of sh*t.
Ask your evangelical friends. Most don’t believe in vaccines, especially the Covid vax.
@@kevinlowry3814 What "negative side effects" would those be?
didn't expect Dr. Francis Collins to make me laugh right away... but when he suggested what to write in the book: 😂
Bring him back!
The blues. Brought us from a mighty long ways.
I love how religious people claim to be searching for answers their whole life and never come up with anything.
Except ... modern science? It's built on 17th century Christians searching for God's Laws - Newton, Boyle...
So ironic to include “truth” and “faith” in the same title. Because they are not synonymous or compatible in any way
Huh? Without truth, faith would have no basis, and without faith, truth would be limited to what we've already observed. You'd have to try putting weight on every single point of a floor before you could be confident walking around on it.
@@LincolnDWard faith doesn't have a basis in truth, it has basis in feelings, in belief. Faith is required for belief, not for truth. the type of faith you're talking about is simply an adjective for "trust"
@@sciencesaves you're absolutely correct that it's just another word for trust. Biblically speaking, there is no distinction. The feelings-based belief you describe is a poor substitute - a security blanket for those needing a group identity and unwilling to do the real work of figuring out what to believe in.
@@LincolnDWard how about this, we can just believe in things that there is evidence and proof for, and leave all of the ridiculous faith nonsense in the garbage where it belongs :)