I just bought one and we are very impressed. Yeah it takes a bit of time but it's worth it. My wife and I couldn't believe the difference. I actually did one record 5x. It's not meant to do a whole collection in one night. The sound improvement justifies it. After all the money I spent on junk record cleaning products this is the one that actually works. I'm actually surprised it cleans records way beyond what I thought was a clean record. Regardless at the end of the day the "work" justifies the results. It only feels like alot of work until u hear the results then it makes u want to get them all cleaned. Anyways great machine and I'm really happy with the sonic results .
Excellent and informative video. Definitely interested in the system. Sounds like Dan Aykroyd is in the room cleaning vinyl. Thank you Michael for posting.
I bought the KA-RC1 a few weeks ago. It's amazing, It's pricey, yes, but it trumps Spin-Clean & Vinyl Styl, but it is a much deeper cleaning system than a vacuuming-based offering. Friends, after using the KA-RC1 with several of my old LPs, they literally sound brand new. It will NOT repair deep scratches, but if people have carefully handled their LPs and stored them properly, the KA-RC1 genuinely restores the original sound of your records. If you care about your vinyl, get this thing.
Are you a friend of Kirmuss? I used it for 1 week now and had many records destroyed by cleaning (scratches) and it doesn´t get the records clean even if I spend 1,5 h cleaning. Don´t buy this thing.
If you followed the manufacturer’s directions and records came out damaged using this machine, than that’s on you. I’ve restored multiple records that I once thought were too dirty or scratched to play again. This system completely restored them. Absolutely no reason anyone with even an average level of intelligence could damage their records using this system.
@@HIHIMIII56 It destroyed many of my records too. I think it's the wheels that your record spins on. Tears up the rim of the record. The white crust you see when it comes out is probably the vinyl stitching.
@HIHIMIII56 impossible for the process to scratch or damage records. Many beware and used records after restoration will allow us to see surface scratches and marks hidden by polishing treatments applied to the record by record resellers trying to make damaged records look new. We have caught record repackers polish what appears to be new records only to discover scuff marks under whatever they applied to the record for sale. The only way to scratch a record is if the felt pads are not inserted correctly in the slots.
Each to one's own. Speaking for me, there is a distinctively a different quality level when listening to LPs vs vinyl. For me, it's worth the effort. Your mileage might vary.
If you visit one of our dealers and bring in one of your records for restoration, not surface cleaning, it takes only 6 or 7, two minute cycles on average to restore 2 records simultaneously. I do not expect one to restore all their 2,000, 5,000, 10,0000 records.... Your ears will value what we bring to the table oncecredtirstion has occurred. Our peers with multiple cycles over 30 minutes cannot remove the release agent of 60 years ago. We offer a 1.3 to close to 5 d. Gain over floor depending on the provenance of the record being restored. The proof where while it may take some time and effort, stereo manufacturers use our process to restore the records that they use in their studios at various trade shows, this to emphasize their product. Case in point where Jeff Rowland Design will take your record and restore it for you at a show, this before they play it on their system this for you to hear. I am trying to be impartial. Two records at a time in 12 to 14 minutes is well worth the effort for you to realize the full potential of your turntable and stereo. Cellist Vincent Belanger restores his new pressing made in Germany of his Cello title, gaining 1.3 db on average as a signal gain and removing the 3 or 4 pops burned in the release agent of the record, pops burned in a new pressing at the factory he uses. I am sure both would gladly take your call and explain the end result restoration, not cleaning
LP's have a magic about them. We will not debate analog versus digital, but a restored, nor just surface cleaned record, offers emotion and breath to the artist...
I purchased this equipment and I must say...It rocks. I am very pleased. It cleaned a 40 year old record that I bought when I was a kid and it the album sounds like it was freshly pressed. Definitely recommended.
Glad you have noted the difference between record surface cleaning and our record groove restoration process! Enjoy the newly discovered breath of your vinyl! Thank you for letting us know.
@@utub1473 The short answer is very well indeed; but you have to put the effort/time it takes. It is not an instant process, especially with older, mistreated, very dirty records. One thing to say is that most people who feel this is too much work fail to realize you wouldn't be doing this process with a record every single time you want to play it. You'll do a deep clean/process and then, if you do treat your records with the care they require, you would not need to do it again for a while. I am not a big fan of re-issues so I buy a lot of used records and I will not play them without doing a very deep cleaning/restoration first. The difference is VERY noticeable. Yes, this restoration does require "elbow grease" but so does the Spin Clean. Again, it is not something you need to do each time you play a record but for those who don't want to put in the time, there are other options that range between 3 thousand and 5 thousand dollars. I rather use that money for other things. I have a Record Doctor VI that I use to vacuum the record with after a final rinse with just distilled water. I do this because I prefer this to drying them by hand with an optical cloth. Mind you, this system does NOT repair damaged records. If the record is scratch, this is not going to get rid of that noise. What it does is remove dirt, finger oils, etc from the grooves. You will definitely hear less to none pops and clicks but then again, the condition of the album itself does matter. The process will prolong the life on your records and cartridge. Lastly, just in case, I am in no way affiliated or related in anyway with Kirmuss Audio.
@@bulldogdave Charles actually said that for certain records (depending on the PVC mix the plant uses) there is so much release agent taken off the record that scratches that were previously audible go away completely! This is because the stylus rides much deeper in the groove and doesn't make contact with the scratch.
@@kirmussaudio7578 I’m very impressed with my Kirmuss RCM (from Dr. Vinyl). The surfactant is so key to the overall level of clean that can be achieved, as you demonstrate very effectively. When Jose called you about missing parts, then found them and called you back and said “I’m an idiot”… that was my Kirmuss RCM, lol.
After 3 years of research we discovered where most systems cosmetically cleaned. Nice to see 1.5 to 5 db gain using the process. Enjoy your restored records and the breath and air of the original recording!
Great question and point for us to respond to. First, we do not use a cleaning solution. We use an ionizing solution. There is a difference. Our agent is not a cleaner as our process deals with the record grooves. At $ 85 US dollars for a 300 ml refill bottle which allows one to restore between 300 andv 600 records , number depending on the number of cycles needed to remove first the left over films from prior cleanings that were air or vacuum dried onto the record's surface, then the record release agent, ...At between 0.28 cents and 0.14 cents per record, and for groove restoration, this is very, very reasonable, one would think. Another manufacturer has agreed where their cleaning solution of $ 25 USD per bottle which cannot be left in their machine's tank overnight but even so, if one could wash 100 records in a day, that equates to 0.25 cents a record just for a washing. Clearly we provide the lowest cost of ownership.
Other processes only surface clean. This as both the record and water have the same charge. Our process changes the charge of the record attracting the plasma wave created by the ultrasonic to first remove past films left by other processes and cleaning methods. Then we proceed to remove the release agent that surfaced and was left by the pressing process. At the California Audio Show this past weekend we processed even new records presented by Lynn Stanley in her session. offering 1.3 db increase over floor. We do not only clean.
Our process allows you to see first hand when we have stripped out past cleaning residues and the like. I beleive we are the only people to talk about signal gain after use of our process. I HOPE SO!!! We have received many positive comments from users of other processes. Enjoying very much talking to users.
PVC repells water with or without soap. To remove the release agent we need to ionize the record to be opposite to that of water. No known method except for ionization. If you want to surface shine a record, 3 minutes in our machine. We are not a surface cleaning process. Once you have processed a record in our machine we never have to repeat the process. Except for 2 minutes later when you decide that there are new contaminants or large amounts of fingerprints and the like accumulated over time and much handling . We guarantee 1.3 dB gain over floor for new records and upwards of 3 to 4 dB in records of provenance unknown or records processed with other cleaning systems. Proof is where our processed records do not need any air or vacuum drying. So yes, a little elbow grease is needed. Your needle is now riding on the detail as pressed by the stamper and not the grooves covered by the pressing oil as discovered originally by the Shure Brothers in 1977. Do look at our 10 part instructional video taken in Seoul Korea on our UA-cam channel that shows what a vacuum leaned record looks like after processing. Our process lets you see first our removing the film left by a vacuum system. Then the release agent also where dust was fused at the factory creating 3 pops in the record.
Michael I can’t wait for your review and how this will compare to the Audiodesk that you have. I didn’t know that you were still into cassette decks, that’s a nice Nakamichi Dragon and Revox deck that you have there. Thanks Kirmuss Audio for doing the demo.
He has already made his comparison in the July 2019 issue of Stereophile. If you wish to restore a record and remove the release agent from the pressing, delivering new breath to the pressing, we are the real deal.
Also, all other sonic machines try to clean in 5 minutes one record. Many vaccum systems need 10 minutes or 15 minutes per side... trying to clean. Most sonic manufacturer suggest repeated cycles. Some do one size record only, one at a time. . We do multiple records and sizes simultaneously. Clean or restore, your choice with our process.
Vacuum is 2 to 3 minutes, not ten. Really dirty record maybe run twice for 4-6 minutes. No doubt sonic cleans where vacuum can't. However 10 minutes is an exaggeration for vacuum and clearly there is no time advantage as you are claiming. Depending on machine once it spins 3 or 4 times or wand moves over record it is dry and that takes maybe a minute per side tops.
I think Mike Fremer was only half joking when he said, to the effect of, “So, you’ll stay here and clean all of my records?”. I don’t doubt that this must be a very, very good way to make ones records as spotlessly super duper as close to sterile-clean as they’ll ever be. But time consuming? Like none other I’ve ever seen or heard of. While you are spending half your life cleaning your records, I’ll be listening to mine. After a quick spin on my VPI 16.5 record cleaner, of course. Which might not do what this ultrasonic procedure does, but pretty damn close I bet. Now, there IS an ultrasonic cleaner out there that automates much of the job, but it cost much, much, much more. And it’s price makes it out of reach for most. But really - after watching this I can see why some audiophiles spend the money for it!
So right. We ultrasoniske clean ours with one from Amazon with motor. Three at a time for six minutes and let dry. They are perfect. We have 21.400 records and would never spend that long - Its not needed. Ok you Can purchase 60 used like We did on sunday. And seven needed a bit mord
Our process uses record ionization to remove films left over from prior cleaning processes, then film left on the record by the outgassing of the record's plasticizer while the record is in its sleeve, then the release agent that cools as soon as the record pops out of the stamper, fusing at times contaminants that land on the record, cause of those unwanted pops in new records. No sonic can pull materials out of the record's grooves as both the water in any tank, with or without a surfactant added, sees both having the same electrical charge.
We will have a video on our site that will allow one to see how different ultrasonic machines work. One may replicate the tests at home with their own machine. Surface cleaning is not the same as groove restoration. One will discover spacing of records placed in an ultrasonic bath is important. Some purport they have an ultrasonic inside their machine. The video will support our discoveries and claims.
Well noted. Analog experts Andre Jennings and Michael Fremer both ascert where the KA-RC 1 is not a surface cleaner. We are a restoration process. To explain, We remove first films left over from prior cleanings, then the record pressing process release agent that is weeks or years old. The latter is where we find the dust microwelded into it by the heat generated by the needle, causing the pops that one hears. Restorstion is 6 or 7 two minute cycles or 4 to 5 five minute cycles depending on the provenance of the record. Yes there are repeated steps. ...This as where vinyl repels water with or without a cleaning solution. That is why for decades the many cleaning processes do not work as to getting into grooves. They also inherently leave surface films when records air or vacuum dried. . Added the size of the water molecule. Another hindrance to getting into the grooves. As our ionizing agent gets washed off in the process due to the charge of the record returning to the like charge of water, that is why the repeated steps. ...Also by chance we see the actual result of each cycle by what the goat hair brush has brought up that the sonic softened in the prior cycles. If you wish to just surface clean, use a 3 minute cycle with our machine. We may clean 4 records at the same time. Restoration per Andre Jennings brings soundstage and timbre back, hidden by films left over by prior cleanings as well as the release agent.
there is no such thing as a record pressing process release agent, the vinyl naturally does not stick. Such a fundamental misunderstanding make me question if this machine was designed correctly, ofrif it is just trying to catch some cash in a hot market, with a lower price and careless adaptation of a generic product.
@@richardelliott8352 anyone that is familiar with injection molding and extrusions of plastic knows there is a lubricant that surfaces to allow for the injection or pressed item to pop out. Using the Keyence VHX 7000 we can measure this. Before and after pressing oil removal. Shure invented this term, not us. When PVC is recycled and used in a vinyl press the new pvc biscuit mix for a record sees at times the record caught in the stamper and where an added polish is used on the metal stamper to increase lubrication to temporarily extricate the pvc biscuits needing a modified mix of stabilizers, liquefiers and plasticizers. Proves the concept of a pressing oil appearing. Buy a new pressing and notice what the needle is picking up. Just give us a call so we may respond in kind to your reservations in more detail.
70 % ipa is not rubbing alcohol. 70% ipa unlike higher concentrations is water soluble and as such does not affect the plasticizer. It is not used as a cleaner. It is used to kill off dormant or live fungus. The process described of ionizing the record is the key to remove the remnants of the release agent that attracts and holds contaminants. Our process has been developed over 5 years and we invite you to visit one of our dealers or us at a trade show with the record of your choice that you are very familiar with and do the challenge. Several artists who have pressed recently new releases use our process and note the difference.
Our goal is to remove any release agent which we consider an attractant to dust which is subsequently micro welded into the coating found in the grooves. Records do not need lubrication or a lubricant. Needles and cartridge design predicates no such lubrication. In fact, one known product purported to change the molecular structure of the record to protect it against wear was found to simply coat the record with a 9 micon film... the purpose of a record's groove is to make full contact with the dyne of the needle. To cost a record otherwise affects the intent of the entire process.
Aren’t you supposed to wash a record after applying a surfactant? I use Tergikleen and the tell you you must wash the record after using it. You apply it last without a rinse.
Terhiclean contains ethylene oxide. Not to be used on pvc. Our agent is not a surfactant cleaner. Our process applying a spray onto the recotd over several cycles changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water to benefit from the effects of cavitation. Once the record has been restored removing any films left over from prior cleaning methods as well as the record pressings release agent, the record comes out virtually dry. No need for any wash as our process is completely different than others. Hope this responds to you question.
It’s incredibly diluted and just a slight misting of the solution on the brush. It picks up minimal dust from handling during the final stages of the restoration and provides an anti-static property before sleeving.
We restore and not clean 2 or 3 lps in 20 to 25 minutes depending on what process you used prior. We remove even release agents from 30 years ago exposing for the first time the grooves as originally pressed less release agent! New records see 3, five minute cycles for German pressings. Four 5 minute cycles for new American pressings. Records washed by some ultrasonics and vacuum systems take 25 minutes.
1. We changed to 60 ml bottles from 250 ml in 2019, due to issues shipping. The 60 ml does 60 to 100 records based on 4 five minute cycles average. Only light spray at 22, 4 and 8 PM is needed. 2,100 customers in one year cannot be wrong. Pse make sure you review the updates on our Company web site as to supplements and asked questions. It is impossible to scratch a record with goat hair brush. The brush is held by squeezing the goat hairs and using thus to add pressure to the brush hairs to bring up the contaminants and push the ionizing agent into the grooves. Kindky review the supplemental manual pictures. The typical time for a new German pressed record is 3 five minute cycles. For a new US record pressing, 3 to 5 five minute cycles. Depending on provenance you need to apply the ionizing surfactant until you see the rise, then fall of what appears as a whitish material. This is material disturbed by the brush from the gooves. A decrease or rapid evaporation confirms the last five minute cycle before polishing. Records repel water. If you have a record coated with Last Protectant or L'Art du Son, ...You will see thousands of small water droplets on the record after the second 5 minute cycle. You will waste the ionizing surfactant. Per the QA section, change to 2 minute cycles, not 5 minute ones. Coatings such as LAST repel anything put on the record, the sonic will wash the ionizing surfactant off the record within two rotations. Using 2 minute cycles it takes 5 to 6 two minute cycles. The above info is in the supplements and web site updates.
We clean 4 records in 2 minutes total. 4 records simultaneously. We restore 4 records between 15 and 25 minutes simultaneously. Restoration is not cleaning. Restoration removes first films left by prior cleaning methods, then we remove the release agent from new and old records alike. 40 years of pops and clicks removed. Read our faqs section.
We will be adding a video explaining how sonic cleaning technology works, showing also proof of our process and where sonics using skewers on a rotisserie cannot see any action as the records are too close to each other with before and after results played.
I think, initially, the process might be lengthy, depending on the condition of the record, but, I'm certain that after the initial cleaning, proper care for the same record will require less frequent and less intensive clearing.
Check out the Kirmuss Audio UA-cam channel. Clips with audio and video ysing a spectrum analyzer of Records before and after restoration are present. Recorded in front of an audience. Records belonging to record lovers brought in for restoration. Unedited. Unscripted.
It usually takes 20 to 25 minutes on average to restore record grooves and clean it, this for 2 records handled simultaneously. To note, a three LP adapter is coming allowing 3 LP's to be restored in the same time. We cannot control the provenance of the record. We have proven at the many trade shows taking records brought in by audiophiles from their collections where previous cleaning methods used by visitors to our booth have not touched the grooves, sorry to say. Most systems used whether sonic or vacuum actually added more contaminants to the grooves. Proven using using a 3d microscope to measure the film's left in the grooves. A green light or vacuum motor stopping does not indicate grooves being cleaned. Even 8 times in a competitive sonic system and when the record is afterwards placed in our system and our process sees 4 cycles of 5 minutes I cannot say more. To note where even new pressings from Germany see 15 minutes, 20 to 25 for some US ones. To know when to stop the process, make sure to rinse and then pad dry the brush used between applications of surfactant, and to discard the brush after 60 records. We use the brush to see an increase and decrease of the contaminants being removed indicating end of process. Of concern. Records coated with Last or other protectants cannot use the standard recommended 5 minute cycles. Consult our web site to learn how to identify this. You will need 9 two minute cycles to strip these off as the coatings wash off the surfactant applied within minutes. If you used 5 minue cycles with a record coated with an agent you I am sure would therefore easily pass the 50 minute mark. With lots of beads of water visible, or sheets of water on a record, change to 2 minute cycles. Record now restored in 15 to 18 minutes. Two like coated records restored in the same time.
when is the three LP adaptor coming? (edit) I found it, currently sold out, pre order also sold out. waiting game. surprised you don't sell them directly I would expect this would sell well compared to the 12/12/10/7 option. 10inch records are really not that common for most collections, a minor part typically. its over 90% for most collections 12inch in my experience.
@@varsityathlete9927 Upscale Audio sells the 3LP machine. We manufacture this exclusively for them. The 3LP cover is available only to 2 LP machine owners. The 2LP machine registration must be on file with Kirmuss Audio.
We would love to do this. We will make a recording of before and after as well as provide signal strength measurements. We also use the Sugar Cube SC1 as do many of our dealers to count the clicks and provide and record the audio just of the pre and post restoration process clicks and pops as reference. Great proof of our restoration process. No one else as a manufacturer talks of quantitative and qualitative measurements and processes. In fact one sonic cleaner is not even using ultrasonics, we discoveted... Please do read Paul Rigby's test report in HiFi World Jan 2019 edition where a record restored by our system and then subject to the Audio Desk System, his prior reference system, affected negatively the record that we just restored and where the record was then returned to it's full glory when returned to our system for one cycle. Hifi Pig published the same results independent of Paul in their January 2019 review, giving us Outstanding Product award. We cannot say more , we work with record custodians on a professional basis and use test equipment to prove our claims, but it seems globally where the snake oil is everywhere else... not in our process.
Now on the KirmussAudio UA-cam channel, two short video clips of before and after record restoration with audio in sync with a spectrum analyzer. Note the increase in signal and frequency response.
Thank you for your querry. Please do note foremost where our peers sell their ultrasonics at 4,000, 4890, and 7800 usd respectively. These are their list prices. Our ultrasonic baed machine with sundries and proper designed record suspension system itself is no where near these retail levels. We offer the best bang for the dollar with written gustantted results in decibels. We are the standard. Our dealers have 2000 sets sold in the US alone last year to audiophiles. This indicates to any reasonable person where we are the true honest value leader. I have no issues as owner to explain our profit. Am proud of how we support our channel partners. Our product channel partners are honest, most if not all are family owned businesses, just like ours. We were seen by manufacturers such as Jeff Rowland Design, Oracle Turntable, Audio Note as industry leaders and honest. They use our product to restore their own records. We are the only sonic based manufacturer to offer a written performance guarantee in restoration.. Audiophile and dealer approved! To your question, We have pricing established at 3 tiers. Distribution Price, Dealer Price, and Retail Price. Each tier makes a profit. We also have manufacturer representatives promoting our products. They receive the same commission as they would on their other audio lines they represent. ...If you have been in retail you should appreciate this. Continuing... Import Duties are 2.5 % from China, plus where we have the Trump Tax added of 25% added. Pending is another 10%. This arrives at our product cost. I have no issue in providing you with the above as to each profit tier. I am personally supportive of audiophiles and our channel partners and our mutual responsibilities as custodians of records and recordings. Compared to our dealers and distributors, we are making very little when compared to our channel partners. ...This said, we sell primarily through dealers. We have no on line store. Our Dealers make the same amount of profit on our product as they do with their other high end lines. ... You seem like a bright person. If you have been in retail or know of someone that is involved in stereo, or have been a manufacturer's representative, you should appreciate what that profit lines are between respective sales channel tiers to remain a viable business. . Easy for you to see who makes what off of our list price of 970 usd for the us model. Overseas models are slightly more expensive due to added costs of a different power supply, three additional electrical approvals, and shipping. Overseas also have added taxation. As to the US model you refer to. we ship by air our 30 pound unit to our hq. With your calculator in hand, we, our dealers and distributors and reps are certainly the friend of audiophiles and especially where we meet our responsibilities as custodians of recordings by using our affirdable and globally proven process to restore records and bring back proudly to life those artists, engineers, musicians, studios long passed.
Is there a way we can hear the difference of vinyl playback through an audio sample for reference, by comparison between a vacuum cleaner and the Kirmuss?
Go to our UA-cam channel. We have two records that were brought in by music lovers for restoration. Before and after testing done with a spectrum analyzer. Testing unscripted.
1. Restoration of a Frank Sinatra Record. Mexico City Nov 2023 KirmussAudio event. Before restoration: Lots of noise. Crackles abound. Sound Muddled. The record was processed before in a 120 KHz ultrasonic. Processed 5 times. Before in a vacuum based cleaning system, so I was told.
Video Before Kirmuss Processing: ua-cam.com/channels/q6s2TT2s7SgZu_7F1D37SQ.html Video After Kirmuss Restoration: Increase in signal and frequency response, pops gone. ua-cam.com/video/_RZ50MIPtVA/v-deo.html
2. From our record restoration event in Mexico City in front of Billboard Magazine and with an invitation only meeting of Discos two weeks ago held at the Margules factory, very nice of him, a record that was brought in that was processed prior with a vacuum cleaning system saw these results:
Before Kirmuss; ua-cam.com/users/shorts-L2gIqQ3nok
To clarify and help, the 70% of 1.4 ounces in 1.78 gallons of water firstly is not used to clean. It is to kill the live and dormant fungus that comes off the record. Contact with or breathing fungus is not good for one's health. The 70% is produced in a different fashion than diluting 90 plus percent In water, and while one may try to make 70% out of 99%, as we are dealing with an ionizing surfactant and need to promote the action of the surfactant, this is affected by 90 plus alcohols. The 2 are not made the same if we discount dilution. In any event, as to plastics and if you check the pvc compatibility chart the 70% in the diluted form of 1.4 ounces to 1.78 gallon ratio is negligible and does not affect the ploymerized pvc of the vinyl or the plasticizer. If one would use a higher concentration especially of 90 plus percent, say. 1/3 alcohol to 2/3 distilled water, or 1/4 to 3/4, that is certainly of concern and affects pvc.
Also we use the specially sized goat hair brush to further polish and apply antifungal to the record while spinning on a turntable before audition or storage.
What is mixed with the distilled water in the surfactant? This video says ethylene glycol, the website says diol 2-propyl which looks like propylene glycol. What is in the surfactant other than the water?
@@briandrex we use 1.4 ounces of 70% isopropyl alcohol in nearly 2 gallons of distilled water just to be used as a initial degreaser of surface fingerprints. Vinyl repels water as you know so the cavitation of the micro bubbles formed is not the main engine and process of restoring the grooves.
@@kirmussaudio7578 yes this is what is in the cleaner itself. What is the actual surfactant in the spray bottle made of and what percentage? Your videos state 1% ethyl glycol and 99% distilled water while the web site says 1%diol 2-propyl and 99% distilled water. Can you give some clarification as to what the surfactant is that is sprayed on the records? By the way the system works great. Noted almost 5db or increase when testing. Also hear things I haven't heard before. Great restoration system!
@@briandrex hello ! Tomy knowledge ethylene glycol is safe for pvc (A = Excellent.) but propylène glycol is rated as "fair"(C = Fair, Moderate Effect, not recommended for continuous use. Softening, loss of strength, or swelling may occur.) so i think i'll go for ethylene glycol. It's also used as a cooling fluid or anti freeze. But be carefull, it's safe for pvc but can be toxic for humans. keep it away from childrens (taste is sweet)/pets and don't inhale or ingest. (info extrated from www.calpaclab.com/pvc-polyvinyl-chloride-chemical-compatibility-chart/)
Thank you for the reply. From what I can tell it is indeed a mixture of Ethylene Glycol, Isopropyl Alocohol 70 percent and distilled water. Will keep away from all pets and kids for sure want clean records but no one sick. Thanks again for your reply it was very helpful and works! :)
Thanks for the comment. There is a difference between cleaning a record's surface and restoration, the latter, restoration, is designed to remove the release agent that is found in both new records as well as old pressings, and where in both instances where the dust and contaminants that are mico welded in the groove of the record by playing it is the undisputed cause of many of the clicks and pops we hear. Clicks and pops that increase over time. Simple cleanings leave films and hide these particles. A false sense is provided the audiophile. ... We restore, not just clean. A surface cleaning will not remove these clicks or pops or bring back for one's audition the exact mirror of the stamper. One needs to remember where using mechanical cleaning means and in applying water with or without a soap, both the record and the solution repells each other. Only a surface cleaning occurs. Further, the size of a water droplet is also larger than a groove which is the root cause of systems not cleaning the grooves. That is why we designed our process to temporarily change the charge of the record and attracting the wave caused by cavitation. This now pressing on the ionizing agent that we brush in the groove. This sees us remove contaminants from inside the groove. To illustrate our point. We frst attack the film left over by prior cleanings that has been dried on the record's surface by air or vacuum. Then we remove the release agent. This holds the micro welded dust that see the needle hit and cause the unwanted pops. ... With the films and release agent both now removed, now the needle makes full contact with the pressing. Fremer has mentioned as many others where we deliver what we say and restore the brilliance of the pressing. One also does see when there is nothing left to remove in our stepped process. To time, the benefit of our process may see one restore both sides of up to four records simultaneously. Something no other method can do, all the while showing you when each side of the record has nothing left to clean or remove from the groove. Our patents pending and patented process lets you be the judge and see when there is nothing left inside the groove to remove. Do refer to the images we have taken of records cleaned by a vacuum process and then followed by ours. As to efficiency, we offer the best return on your investment as to the very noticeable audio improvement, both for new and vintage pressings. ...For all records, the total time for groove restoration is between 12 and 25 minutes, both sides. As our records come out virtually dry as they should, there are no films left on the record as is the case with air or vacuum drying. No need for an air or vacuum drying which in their own introduce more dust and static to the record. We can of course just do a quick 2 minute clean. Not restoration. We concentrate and advertise restoration.
I was very enthused, until I came across the statement about a release agent found in new records, a fiction, and restoration, a physical impossibility to build back what has been destroyed. I guess this is just another guy pitching questionable product in a lab coat. I believe in ultrasonic cleaning, but it has the potential to damage records. Thus a guy in a lab coat pitching product, using facial errors, causes me to seek a more carefully developed product.
@@richardelliott8352 respectfully you are very misinformed. Perform please the aluminum foil test with the ultrasonic of your choice. This by making aluminum foil records using a metal ring frame. In fact you will note where some 40 and a recently released 125 KHz ultrasonic are not ultrasonics and do not use cavitation, rather are sonic soap bublers. I suggest you go on our web site and look at the February 7th zoom with both NJ and LA audiophile societies present and get a feel for cavitation methods among other subjects as to record care.
Added note. When Shure cane out with the V15 Mark IV cartridge they noted where the stylus was picking something out of the record's grooves. No issues with the Mark III. They produced the term pressing oil and the slide they produced sees my seminar sessions respond to this long lost document. They could not remove it from the pressing. So if you are old enough to recall, they included a brush that rode on the tone arm. Do visit with us at any of the shows in North America or the UK where we demystify decades of myths with both physical and electrical measurements as to release agent and the like. You may also easily perform some of the tests at home yourself to prove our discoveries. Do give us a call. We are at the Portland, UK and NYC shows coming up.
Also take a Mofi and then use a otton swab and see what appears on the cotton from the needle/cartridge. Most sees a powder. This is not plastic as examined and measured by our Keyence VHX 7000 2D 3D Microscope. Sorry to be wordy but wanted to share with the audience many of the myths out there for decades.
@@kirmussaudio7578well, since this visible artifact, identified as, "pressing oil" could not be removed , one could say it was part of the intrinsic molecular vinyl structure, and not an additive. I have owned cartridges in the V15 line since the mark four was introduced. The brush was carbon fiber and discharged static ahead of the tip , but primarily provided a damping effect. as a kind of shock absorber for the cart body, so the stylus could move more freely.through warps. I was not a dust brush, although I used it as such when I first started out. there was never any mention of it being designed as a control for contamination of any kind, except sonic, so I wonder if one of our interpretations is faulty. Of course, it was attached to the cartridge, not the tone arm, a mistake I am certain you would not make twice. . As my system improved , I could hear the sonic effects, and ran the brush in the up position . I now use an shure xv15 with a Japanese aftermarket stylus , with a brush that looks the same but provides no damping , if I were to lower it. it also no longer has a stylus arm made of boron foil. the recent ortofon 2M black with the nano tube suspension seems to have finally improved on the old shures performance, so I plan on switching. I went to a Los Angeles audio society meeting once, but they primary talked about the previous meeting. They did seem friendly and intelligent, I am just not a guy who seeks meetings for recreation..
Yeah, but you try getting hold of distilled water in the UK or Europe, enough to fill that machine and you'll have to remortgage your house (slight exaggeration, 5L £22 on average). If deionised water leaves no residue after evaporation, why do you think it's not good enough? Zap deionised with UV if you're worried about micro-bacterial malarky. Personally, I think there is a line between that which is theoretical and that which is audible. I mean, where do you stop? One could argue that your system should only ever use use triple distilled, UV treated, reverse bed osmosis water but would it make a difference to the final sound one hears? Nahhhhhhhh. Plus, try getting that in the UK and pharmacists will look at you like you're going all Walter and cooking up crack. I mean, where does one stop in an attempt to get the best sound out of a record? Wash, vacuum, catonise, plasma wave, UV sterilise, vacuum, wash, rinse, catonise again, rinse, rinse again. Some company will have us blasting our records with gamma radiation from Sterigenics next in an attempt to get an extra 0.00000000256Hz frequency response through the mechanical surfactant removal of lentivirus. Where does one stop? WHERE DOES ONE STOP? I need a lay down. Record washing is fab (even if you use a George Vacuum cleaner for the job, UK again) , wash it, suck it up, listen and enjoy. Buy more records! Sorry, is that a UK only term? Vinyl. Whatever. Just enjoy listening. Mr Kirmuss, not after a fifty billion word reply / justification, just my opinion. Buy more records. Be happy :o)
18 minutes to process 4 new records at a time. Records of provenance unknown, 15 to 20 minutes to process 4 records at a time. Once restored this process does nit have to be repeated. A 2 minute cycle every so often when one determines the record has fingerprints or other contaminants present.
Two other things I would do differently are first: never let a microfiber cloth anywhere near a record at all, even as just a drip towel. Why? Because of what you said about the 'lint.' This material sheds plastic fibers like mad and I had to find out the hard way about the danger that microfiber poses to vinyl records. Just a few of these lint fibers on a record can gunk up your stylus and cause distortion, and worse case the the needle jumps the grooves, skips and skids. I would only use a new very fine-weave cotton towel that you shake out real good and it must not have gone through your washer/dryer ever. (The center elevation with a fur pad is a good a idea here.) Second, I would cut the amount of alcohol used to 3/4 or half the 40 ml you suggest, as it is still a solvent, and with different vinyl formula over the years there may be the chance of records having less resistance to damage from contact with *any* amount of alcohol. Also, I would have two goat hair brushes: one for surfactant, and one for plain water or dabbing. I use a similar system with my 45 record restoration technique. Plus you have to be very careful applying a fluid to only one side of 12" record, especially thinner pressings, as doing this just begs these discs to warp. You've got to be quick and use as little fluid as possible. From 40+ years of collecting and cleaning experience.
Rrspectfully this is Incorrect. 70% IPA 1.4 ounces in 1.78 gallons does not affect the plasticizer. The 70% is not a dilution of 91 or 99%. Different chemical process. Not used for any actual cleaning of any grooves as the record repells the distilled water with the 1.4 ounces added, it is used to kill live or dormant fungus that comes off the record so one does not inhale it.
We do not use a surfactant per say. It is an ionizing agent with our colorant added that changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water that attracts the effects of cavitation. It is not a cleaning solution. It is made for us to our specifications. No other solution can be used to achieve this that is available in the market.
hi, I am interested in purchasing but would prefer the 3 LP adapter that you mentioned below around 1 yr ago, is this adapter ready yet? I never use 45s or 78s and would prefer to go all in on the 33s
Ringo Star! Michael must not be totally sold on it yet??? This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about??? Definately a great rep. Was he one of the engineers? Or more on the marketing side? Ill never be able to afford this. I only have 50 lps, mas o menos, but I find it all very interesting. I know I kinda troll Michael by comparing him to Lou Reed. But im being completely honest and mean no disrespect. He's not as wrecked looking as Lou got later in life. He and John Cale made some really groundbreaking music and sound. Love Transformer also. I Need to get that one again. Anyway, I look forward to seeing if this becomes the record cleaner for Audiophiliacs to get :^)
Noted your notes. Both JR Boisclair of Wally Tools and I have been noted as disruptive as We provided technical details for the first time in decades to disrupt the many myths out there using test equipmentand scientific processes. . As to record care I ask openly the question if industry peers have ever told their potential customers what their chemicals are and do, as well as what a cleaning machine advertised is supposed to do? Our seminars are generic and have started to demystify old myths and therefore erase many of the reports published in many magazines over decades. . At our seminars at the various audio shows and as to cleaning solutions sold we have provided details as why some do not work or where some are harmful to pvc per the pvc chemical compatibility chart. With hands on matetials presented to the audience , kowing that ultrasonics should dimple a record made out of aluminum foil, hand outs are given. In fact two machines advertised as 40 khz ultrasonics show no cavitation and fail this test. Some cleaning solutions were shown to coat records once we showed before and after measurements. At our seminar sessions at the audio shows we allow the audience to make their own decisions after they see and can touch the test samples. In fact we show how audiophiles may do their own independent testing and make their own observations. Michael has seen these materials. In fact his seeing the effect of ultrasonic cavitation on skewered aluminum records spaced so tight in sold rotisserie style skewer systems that hold records in ultrasonic machines sees the lack of even distribution of cavitation, so any person would not doubt why Michael in seeing these tests, tests that anyone can replicate, certainly creates doubt as to the efficacy in some of the advertised products out there. So indeed he noted that it seems there is lots of scale oil out there. One of our assets is a VHX7000 Keyence $170 000 microscope used to take imagery of before and after use of our system. One can use a simple VU Meyer also to note increased signal, so to your point, I certainly saw his frustration about thus industry product sector..
If you don't want to put the record on the microfibre cloth because it will transfer lint, why would you use the microfibre cloth to vigorously clean the brush which is then going to be used again on the record?
lol seriously this guy built his entire method and machine around mythology. he also wants us to believe that using 1.4 ox of 70% ipa into 250 oz water is somehow better or different than putting in 1 oz 99% ipa or 1.1 oz 91% ipa to the same volume of water. at that scale the .4-.5 oz water that is added with 70% ipa is a literal drop in the bucket
Wow, probably a great machine, but hell, after all of those applications could probably get damn near same results from use of Spin Clean and Vinyl Vac. But the lab coat is readon we should listen!
Thanks for your opinion. The forum is for an exchange of ideas. Noted your point. Everyone has theirs. This said,...I do not beleive where you understand or appreciate the fact where our liquid agent is not a cleaner. It cannot be used by itself on a record. It cannot be used with a vacuum or other ultrasonic system. Or a manual cleaning. Whoever perhaps mentioned this to you does not understand what an ionizing agent is. And how it has to be specifically used. That is our Patent. Our process is different. Our spray is not a cleaner. To assist both you and our audience, No other process that we know of removes the record's release agent. Home to those unwanted pops. Do review videos as to how records are made. There is a reason why records "pop out of the stamper ". As analog expert Michsel Fremer has written, no one is seen spraying Pam onto the stampers at the pressing plant. To price and to restore the record grooves of 1 000 records, with our ionizing agent the consumables cost as it relates to our spray would cost you 140 to 283 USD. For processing 1000 . Very reasonable if we can restore a scratched and scuffed 60 year old pressing or new pressing, and bring both back to life. I am sure you have seen the images taken by our 2d 3d digital microscope and the measurements of groove size, detail and depth. Before and after. . Our restoration process with our ionizing agent, not a soap or cleaner, brings recordings to life by stripping out the release agent. Back to your point and setting the record straight, we cannot use our liquid as a cleaner with other machines and processes, and most respectfully stated, you wanted a solution for 10 cents a record. That would relate to $100 USD to clean and not restore 1,000 records. Small difference for the benefit of the bargain that our total process has to offer one... I trust you have a 500 $ and up turntable,??? We offer the best bang for the dollar. Why spend 3,000 USD on a new cartridge or upwards of 1,000 USD on a set of new silver turntable interconnect cables. Our restoration with our ionizing agent delivers... . Our solution when used only with our process and at 14 to 28 cents a record is the least affordable for gain guaranteed. That is the result we offer. Again and as a warning,...You cannot use our fluid with any other system or manually apply it as it is not a cleaner. It will not improve anything. You need to appreciate the fact where we with our machine and ionizing agent, not a soap, is the only method to remove the release agent from the pressing's grooves, offering you between a measured 1.4 dB to 4+ dB over floor of gain. You cannot compare this as a cleaner you buy. So granted your price comparison while flawed sees our agent, and considered as a consumable, in the restoration of 1000 records with a 40 to 148 USD difference over what you'd like is only a little more expensive. Over perhaps a year or two. If you restore 1000 records over that time period. In any event if you are familiar with our sales network, in the US alone we saw our authorized dealers sell over 2,200 systems last year. (2019). While none of your concern, we are proud to say where this month alone 171 sold in the last 2 weeks to our dealers, repeat sales. Even with the pandemic affecting all of us. Audiophiles and record custodians alike cannot be wrong as to what we offer them as an end result. ... ....but you are confusing matters with your flawed comparison, sorry to say. .as to lowest cost of ownership... We also have now the global blessing and validation of independent analog industry experts. Back to your insistence. ... I ask whether you are buying a cleaning solution liquid. If so, and for you to perhaps do a fair and just comparison, do ask any cleaner manufacturer considered to provide you with details as to what is their signal gain over floor that their cleaning solution offers. Also how many microns of release agents that their solution removes... I doubt very much they can guarantee anything. To explain better what we do, Please do visit one of our dealers and bring in a record, both new and vintage suggested. Then compare before and after. Some quality surface cleaning products cost you 45 cents per record. I trust you know this. Very expensive... Confirming again, we restore while others try to clean or polish. Audio manufacturers such as Jeff Rowland Design, Audio Note, Grand Prix turntable, Helix, Yamaha Canada among others use our process to restore records brought to their studios at global audio shows by audiophiles such as you. The reason why they do this is very obvious. Cellist Vincent Belanger among other musicians use our process to restore their new pressings before autographing them. Vincent's sound engineer validates the gain of 1.3 to 1.4 dB over floor on their new German pressings. This as well as turntable manufacturer Oracle. ...None of these above mentioned industry peers has any relationship to our Company. This stated, we all love music. That is why we are on the business. My company is there to help you restore the brilliance of your records, new and vintage, never before heard when the time comes We are confident of the results...thank you for allowing us to better explain the difference between cleaning and restoration. Cleaning soaps and ionizers. So, as a summary and while you may perhaps still not think where an extra 4 to 18 cents per record is worth it to you, may I strongly suggest as where you are seemingly keen about this pastime, suggest to you in not upgrading your turntable or to to e arm, you do visit one of our dealers and use our ultrasonic record groove system with our ionizing agent used with our process. You will hear the difference immediately. Apologize for taking extra time in responding to your comparison as our ionizing agent is not a cleaner, rather , it facilitates our system to remove first surface films then the release agent which has the microwelded pops embedded in the grooves. Of course we cannot please everyone, but we do guarantee the increase in signal resulting in a more spacious soundstage and improved timbre, quoting Audio Engineer Andre Jennings.
We do not have an insert to do more 45's or 78's. Response to the availability of an insert to restore four 45's at a time was not that positive. To make new molds is a serious investment. Your request has been noted.
Respectfully. One cannot do two sides simultaneously with a vacuum system. There are several systems out there. As vinyl repels water by nature the solutions applied to one side of a record at a time needs to see multiple applications of the cleaning solution to the record if we are to try to attempt to clean the surface of prior films left by prior cleaning agents. We have microscopic images of this where after 3 nechanucal and vacuum surface cleanings have not resulted in any groove cleaning, sorry to say. Send me an email and I will send you some slides. Added where vacuum brings dust into the record from surrounding air and depending on the velocity of the venturi pressure differential brings static onto the record.
A simple wash is 2 minutes. If you want to pick up the imagery as witnessed and reported on by Michael Fremer after a year of testing, we remove all contaminants from the grooves. In 2 or 5 minute cycles. Several records at a time usually taking 20 to 25 minutes. Noted your comment. Over 2,000 audiophiles and music lovers have bought our product in just over a year. Even audio manufacturers such as Jeff Jeff Rowland Design, Yamaha Canada, Oracle turntables all use our process on their records before use in their own listening rooms at global audio trade shows. Again, while not for everyone, at less than $1,000 pur process provides immediate results over buying cartridges that are over $4,000, change out tone arms at $8,000, adding silver cables at $2,000. Obviously not for everyone. Guaranteed to even improve imagery and timber from even a basic entry level turntable coupled to a modest or restored vintage low cost system. Everyone has their opinion. The extra effort removing release agent and contaminants from recent as well as records that are 40 plus years old is well worth it. To note current processes have been found to leave residues, we also remove these.
More and more brand new records seem to have excessive surface noise, hiss, ticks, pops, crackles where my other new records are fine. Can the cleaner assist with this surface noise/hiss?
Absolutely. We use a fixed process. One 5 minute cycle. 4 two minute cycles.l, then one 5 minute cycle each with the ionizing agent applied. The Sound engineer for cellist Vincent Belanger processes their new pressings and notes the 1.3 dB gain.
Agree with general sentiment here: 20-30min to clean a record is a non-starter aside from exceptional and dirty finds (like some old mono blue note). I was looking at this video because I was about to order the machine. Would be helpful to understand how well this works vs. vac machine if we only do a single 5 min cycle. I only have at most 2 hours at most to listen every day, mainly because I need to work like a dog to afford my record and hifi addiction! This extended process is simply unrealistic for daily listening.
The process needs to see multiple cycles as the ionizing spray gets washed off near the end of each cycle. The process us to attract the plasma wave created by the sonic to get into the groove and remove the release agent that holds the microwelded dust particles that cause the unwanted pops. If you want just to surface clean. One 5 minute cycle is needed. So you have more than one option, clean only or clean and restore
We do not put the record on a lint free micro fiber cloth. We suspend the record on a lint free, dust free circular pad that we supply , or offer a the same 5 inch pad with an optional support made by a company called Stable 33.33. Model called a Transit 7000... With the latter accessory, the record sits 1 inch above the work area. It also spins. ...The workstation rabbit cloth protects the work table, the record does not touch the record. ...Added, we use this same cloth to pad dry the goat hair brush between applications of the ionizing surfactant to the record's surface and in this application as we are now changing the state of charge of the record thus accepting now the plasma wave to work on the grooves themselves, by now pad drying the goat hair brush with the rabbit microfiber cloth thus drying the brush between applications of our ionizing surfactant (not alcohol), we see better the initial rise and then the fall and also the rapid evaporation of the whitish toothpaste like materials that were softened by the sonic and disturbed and brought out by the brush.... thus giving us the visual validation where there are no contaminants or release agent left in the record grooves. Groove restoration now accomplished ...end of process.... part of our patented process. Works for both newly pressed and vintage records.
Thanks for your comment! We had a before and after clip on the web. It is being redacted to include restoration of Edison cylinders in our new product as well as lacquers and transcripts. Do you have a dealer that could assist nesrby,? At the major global audio shows, bring us a record. We play the before and after of any record brought us. Contact us for the name of a dealer nesr you that would gladly restore a record in front of you. Do read the July 2019 issue of Stereophile and the results noted by Mr. Mr. Fremer on 2 records he used to test our process. His words at the RMAF 2019 panel (video) reports his results. Yes hearing is believing. Hope you have a dealer nearby. We do guanantee your results. You can both hear and measure them.
Try contacting our UK office at www.kirmusssudio.net. Here in North America a US gallon goes for 1 US Dollar. Our peers in Europe all recommend distilled water. Deionized water here costs 8 US dollars a gallon. Yet, it is not as pure as distilled water. Our grocery stores, aquarium shops, corner pharmacies sell distilled water at the price mentioned.
It probably works, but who the heck is going to take this amount of time and trouble?. Twenty minutes, maybe more, to clean an LP. I can't believe the guy keeps a straight face as he starts yet another 5 minute cycle, HOPING that 3 cycles is enough on this occasion. And gallons of liquid bite the dust.
I guess it just depends on how serious you are about this hobby and how big your collection is. You could always pay your children a buck a record to have them clean them using this system haha
@@Telssa1 Yeah. If I had a collection like Fremer's, I wouldn't use this. Ok maybe for a few of my PRIZED albums but not all of them. The thing is I know that I DON'T want a collection that big or even anywhere close. A few hundred will be enough for me, so this machine would actually be perfect for me.
Peer ultrasonics that do not use ionization ask you repeat their processes for 4, 5 more 5 minute cycles. The Kirmuss ionizing spray shows what has been pulled of the record, and when a record has been restored, the needle for the first time picking up the detail as pressed. Once processed, this process does not have to be repeated.
Wondering if a high pH ionized and microclustered water, like the 11.5 pH produced by the Enagic SD-501 water ionizer, will work as the post cavitation cleaning agent. Thanks!
De ionized water of any type is not recommended as only distilled water has all bacteria and elements removed. We have discussed this matter in many other posts.
Do not try to dilute 100%. 70 % is not usually made by just dilution . Send us an email to ckirmuss@frontier.net. we do have a method to dilute 99 % to be used just during the covid crisis. To note the alcohol in small quantity is used to kill live and dormant fungus. Not used really to clean and restore the grooves although it may seems to aid in removing fingerprint oils during the pre wash,wetting cycle.
Seems to me if you already own a vaccum based RCM you could use this system and then just use the vaccum RCM to suck up the distilled water used in the final rinse so you're not hand drying it , no ?
@@kirmussaudio7578 yes it does bring static on to the record but have you ever wiped a pair of eye glasses with some sort of clothe after cleaning them ? No matter how clean you try and keep your optician clothe it still leaves smudges . I use a hair dryer on my eye glasses after cleaning them , totally smudge free . I think if you are not going to have a vacuum on a RCM then you should have a blow dryer as some other ultrasonic RCMs use .
As vinyl repels water by nature, a restored record taken out of our process sees little if any water on the record's surface. The light mist applied barely requires a vacuum.
@@Shadowman820 To me, this is getting more nuts. Yes, any 'blob' or 'thing' moving against air will cause said 'thing' to get embedded with free electrons - static. Will this make any difference to the audio signal? Nothing audible. Vacuums don't make static. If you're talking about a vacuum device to remove fluid off a vinyl record, there's usually a wetting process involved beforehand, we aint talking a girl with long dry hair and a balloon here. Any form of moisture or humidity will neutralise static. If you take a hairdryer to a record then that's like a sandblaster for every form of particulate going. Suck that stuff in and blast it on your music. Nahhhhhh, bad, bad, bad. Nahhhhhh.
will this cleaning method clean old RCA records and Columbia records that were kept in plastic and cellophane sleeves where the plastic and cellophane has seemingly baked into the vinyl? Will it remove it from the record?
hello ! sadly the damage is done. the groove is physicaly altered. i read somewhere that the use of a car restoration product called scratchX from meguiar's did a good job polishing the surface and as the product contain lubricant it seems it helps reduce the shhhhhh sound. so it could be ok for a digitalisation.
Just received my Kirmuss restoration device. No matter how long I let it cool, when I turn it on the red led is lit. The small one on the far right also lights up within 1-2 minutes. Room temperature is 23C. Any tips?
Thank you for your email. The operation us normal. Do review the manual and supplement on our web site. 1. You need to remove the cover to cool the water. Usually 10 minutes. 2. The long red bar is the normal operating range. You stop only when the small red light bar lights up, now finishing the last cycle. 3. You stop immediately when the small red bar flashes.
@@kirmussaudio7578thanks for your reply! the problem I have is that the small red light is always on, already after degaussing, and it never flashes. However, after about 20 minutes I can see the records warping and I feel a heatwave coming up from the machine, so I'm assuming it's too hot which causes the warp.
I like how you worked in that caveat where he is "Drafted" into cleaning your entire collection as part of the demo! Always Be Closing! A very thorough process. But, if you have say....30,000 records l(ike somebody we know) he will be there till the end of time watching those bubbles cavitate. I mean, I thought I was anal in my cleaning process. Geez. Not a criticism, just an observation. P.S. I now understand that this is a restoration process, not just a cleaning process. I stand corrected. Thank you for the demonstration.
It was a pleasure to see his collection. He knew when asked the exact location of any record as well as not only provenance but details as to determining original and copy sleeves. He was very inquisitive and asked very precise questions. Just to touch his collection and to see it first hand was one of my memorable experiences over a decade or so. Indeed the smell of fungus in the air was a treat. Nice to hear tge brilliance of the records we did restore together. Totally unscripted, he is witty, professional and passionate about music and analog. I was scolded when I inadvertently stepped on a loudspeaker cable.
@@kirmussaudio7578 I love the smell of fungus in the air. It smells like..............Michael's basement record collection! It is always a pleasure watching Michael's videos, and I'm always laughing and learning a great deal from the man down in his bunker! Thank you very much for that informative demonstration. You are clearly passionate amd dedicated to your work here and It shows. I hope you took my comment in the context that it was meant. Thank you again and be safe during these trying times!
No worries. We'll received! Thanks! ....Kidding aside, to restore 4 records simultaneously and removing the release agent in 4 or 5, five minute cycles is not that long. Of course for the desired result. RESTORATION.... ....Agreed, a full time job to restore 30 000!... Other processes take the same or more time in trying to surface clean, and asctested. never removing the release agent and in most cases leaving a surface film after air or vacuum drying. .... 30,000 ..... Lots of labor of love in any event! To the iinference, our ionizing spray used on records sees multiple cycles with records cycled in and out of the machine occurs as this spray agent used between cycles gets inadvertently washed off iin the restoration process. To better explain, Before the application of the ionizing spray which is not just a cleaning agent, both the charge of the record and that of water relative to each other are alike. Like charges repell, so the ionizing spray when applied to the record changes the charge of the record relative to water to a negative and thus attracting the slightly negative plasma wave (of water) created by cavitation..... Thus removing in order, first surface residues and dirt, dust, other contaminants, then finally the release agent. ...A single cycle using our system and not the mjltiple cycles as recommended will do only a quick surface clean. ..... not perform total cleaning and the intended groove restoration of our patented discovery. ... To the sign of our times. .... Lots of folks restoring their records during Covid 19! And enjoying their new found brilliance and Soundstage revealed! Keep those records spinning!
In the interim, call us for the name of the KirmussAudio dealer nearest you. Bring in a record. Have the dealer play part of it, have them restore it. Then play the same record. You will hear and feel the difference.
Ok for a handful of records, will take ages if you have a few hundred/thousand records. $890 on Amazon. Not as pricey as I was expecting. Was expecting $2k. Still a lot of work but prob worth it if you have a 20k system
Typically we see 4 five minute total cycles. We may do 2 LP's at a time in that period. The other systems after their advertised 5 minute cycle, even repeated 6 times do not clean the grooves!!! Paul Rigby's review in HiFi World proved where a restored record using our process sees the same record when subject to another process see the results negated, and with sound degraded. Another 5 minutes back in our system sees the sound, air and space returned. Sonics alone have been proven thus not to be what they are purported to do. Our findings thus independently validated. Yes, a little elbow grease is needed with our process but the signal gain and resulting soundstage are well worth it!
Understood your point. To your post, it all depends on what you expect from your hifi system. Full performance of the needle riding on the reverse image of the mirrored lacquer, or, riding on the reverse image of the master with release agent and left over films from other cleaning processes that are air dried or vacuum dried as a coating..reducing inadvertantly the timbre and soundstage that the master is capable of offering you. 6 or 7 two minute cycles or 4 or 5 five minute cycles on 4 records simultaneously offering a 1.3 to 4 plus dB gain over floor is what one would expect, is only offered by our process. Cannot say more. Other methods cannot do what we do. We remove the release agent from 70 years or 2 months ago on records. As Andre Jenjings from the Absolute Sound this month and Michael Fremer in Stereophile July 2019 said, if you want to bring life to your records, only our process does this. Yes, some time and love is indeed required as you infer. Unlike other cleaning methods which all actually leave films on the record that we can measure, we can surface clean if you wish 4 records at a time in 2 minutes. Reponding to your desire. No other system can offer this either. As to restoration, Using our patented process, each cycle lets you see the removal first of surface contaminants, then the left over films from prior cleanings and methods used, then the release agent. The latter holds the pops and clicks of the microwelded dust in the release agent created by the heat of the needle. With release agent removed you will never burn in any dust in your record grooves. Leading audio manufacturers at trade shows use our orocess on a record that you may have brought to an audio show before playing it on their system. Ever wonder why? For the audience.... When is a record deemed clean? When is a record "restored" ? Visit one of our many dealers. Bring in a record, new, used, previously cleaned with any other method. Play the first song on one side. Use our process as prescribed. Then play the same piece. We describe dB gain. Other processes never mention this aspect. Indeed we may surface clean 4 records in only 2 minutes. This is not the intent of our process. Rather than buying a 3,000 USD cartridge or 1,300 USD silver turntable interconnect cable, at less than 1,000$, we bring records both new and old to life. Respectfully, you will hear and feel the music and artist as never before. The results are heard and felt even with entry level turntables connected to the many self powered speakers. Thanks for your post. Hope we explained surface cleaning versus release agent removal and the measurable results.
Your opinion is welcomed! Not a surface cleaner, audiophiles agree rather than spending $ 8,000 on a new cartdridge or $15,000 on a new turntable we provide the best bang for $1,200 or less with immediate discernable results as posted by many users. Yes, it takes 20 or 25 minutes to process 4 records concurrently, the effort is well worth the time and effort. It makes even the modest of turntable configurations shine. Even entry level turntables and system configurations benefit as we improve needle to groove contact. Do bring a record to one of our dealers or supporting manufacturers and see for yourself the discernable difference... of course the process is not for all. If a simple surface cleaning is needed, a 5 minute cycle is all that is needed for 4 records. Less work than available manual or vacuum cleaning systems.
I do not believe that Mr. Kirmuss is a chemical engineer, otherwise he would know that vinyl records made since the 1960's is more chemically resistant than the cleaning references that he quotes from the 1960's. Those references are for the 78's that were previously made and still prevalent at the time. Also, ethylene glycol can be used as a wetting agent, but it is not a soap. On any vinyl record made in the past 50+ years, you can use a stronger solution of alcohol, and instead of ethylene glycol, it is more advisable to use a soap and then thoroughly rinse with distilled water. Shake off excess water, dry with a clean towel, and use a discwasher to take off the residual fibers.
I believe you are mistaken in your posting. The premise of our process is to change the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water no matter the vintage of the record. We do not care about ethylene glycol per say. That explains in order to use the benefits of cavitation we in our process change the charge of the record temporarily using a coating. If you are trying to remove the release agent from within a 35 micron diameter groove and any microwelded dust using a liquid of whatever type and noted where the suspension further with a droplet size of over 100 microns cannot do this.
So before you play it, wet the record with surfactant, drag my $5000 stylus through a wet record? Why even dry the record if you have to wet it before playing it?
No . Mist on a dry brush ionizes the record after processing. Then one either plays it or stores it. One or the other. It is only done once. It is an anti static treatment
@@kirmussaudio7578 Thank you for your reply - appreciate it as I try to understand this all. Mist is a liquid on the brush then the brush puts the liquid on the record before playing, so in my mind the record is now wet before playing? or am I over thinking it?
The mist on the brush applied at arm's length evaporates on contact with the brush. All you ate doing at the polishing stage is to ionize the record and negate the charge
All vinyl is not created equal. PVC is only one ingredient and while that may hold up to heat how does one know the other vinyl ingredients will hold up as well? There are countless vinyl recipes in existence and each manufacturer over the decades probably has or had multiple recipes. So unless every vinyl recipe on planet earth has been tested in a 95 degree ultrasonic bath of water/alcohol combination and then tested thereafter year after year after year, etc.. for (loss of) sonic quality, it seems factually impossible to make a blanket statement that isopropol alcohol will not damage your vinyl. How could anyone possible know that? Good luck.
Thank you very much for your illustrations. This is a great addition to the community. . Leaving out the new green vinyl from Green Vinyl aside and their soon to be disclosed formula, except in the days of polystyrene records, pvc has been around for more than half a century. It, along with carbon black added was the standard. Just as you state there are polymizers, stabilizers, plasticizers, all added. Mixes do vary. As such some points to share. As to heat. Records bought and then placed is a hot car may in fact damage and warp the record. We saw this in our tests in Arizona. In the shade our car yielded 147 deg and warped records temporarily. Those placed on the dashboard, not so lucky. Added was heating directly by the sun. Taking advantage of your point, the heat of the needle causes friction znd as a result, generates heat. That is why it is recommended to play a record once per side per day as a caution as many cleaning agents could have affected the plasticizer unintentionally. Indeed we talk about heat. Ultrasonic machines in the process of cavitation sees the water heat up by way of the kinetic energy. That is why we show the status of the water's temperature. Records are to be removed at 104 at the maximum. Records do survive higher temperatures. Not all homes have air conditioning. A record that comes out of a press is at a higher temperature. Processing a record at 94 deg F has no effect on the record. As to chemical compatibility, the little amount of 1.4 ounces of 70% IPA in 1.78 gallons of water in our basin will not affect the structure of the vinyl record. It is not used for groove cleaning. Per the pvc chemical compatibility chart, this is safe. In our case the 1 to 2 % mix of diol propanol in 98 to 99% distilled water used as our ionizing agent is also PVC friendly, and promotes the attraction of the plasma wave created via cavitation to hit the record's groove. The use of 70% over other IPA's such as 91, 99% is used for pvc compatibility, but more so where the 70% through its production process unlike higher IPA's has the ions we need in our process. Indeed as you have stated and as what we recommend. one should never use any cleaning agent on any record unless one reviews its compatibility with the aforementioned chart. Avoid also the word rubbing alcohol, and before purchase, sone IPA's show this wording, make sure in the ingredients list shows it is IPA only, no additives. Our recommended IPA concentration is safe for both vinyl and shellac records. As just mentioned. it is not used for cleaning, it is used to kill the dormant and live fungus that comes off the record and finds itself in the tank. Thank you for bringing this subject up.There has been much misinformation published out there. Your points raised were very timely. Keep those records spinning!
@@kirmussaudio7578 Amusing. Now you see it, now you don't. The shell game has been around for a half century as well. A quick slight of the soap and your Stones LP goes up in smoke. Diversionary, rudimentary blather.
I used one for 1 week now and the result is very disappointing. Not only it takes ages to clean records I spent 1,5 h to clean 2 records and still there was crack sounds on the records. Then I pushed the brush a bit harder to clean better witch resulted in scratches so the records we´re destroyed. In another video he says: "One 9 $ bottle lasts for 300 records" That´s the biggest lie I heard in HiFi business. The bottle costs bout 25 $ in Europe and lasted me for 5-6 records so it´s terrible expensive too!
Cracks originate from elementary drying method. Swiping a cloth across vinyl inevitable creates static. But their solution to correct the very problem they've created is to spray your cleaned vinyl with another layer of their surfactant to "polish" the record. Sure. At $85.00 for 10 ounces of 99% distilled water and 1% of God only knows what, could it be the additional use of surfactant (polish) is to keep you buying more and more? Also creates another problem, the "polish" is then picked up from the grooves by the stylus, creating a pile of white dust on your stylus so you must keep cleaning during playback to circumvent distortion.
Nice system and Lab coat, but being a ex DJ with over 5000 albums this is not for me. I've been using a Vevor complete album cleaning system with a DYI filtration system and it works wonders, and all for about 185.00 out the door. And you can clean 8 albums at one time! 1 Year warranty plus the added guarantee of purchasing about 6 of the Vevor systems for the price of the unit on this demo...
Restoration using record ionization with an ultrasonic is not surface shining. We offer 1.3 to 3 to 4 dB gain and 8 to 32 % gain in frequency response. Fremer has proven where skewered records see no cavitation.
I shine the surface after the ultrasonic cleaning and I get about 10db gain average depending on the overall condition of record. Cavitation persist as evident by the evidence left behind... @@kirmussaudio7578
I would only buy this if the cleaning solution was $20.00 and enough to clean 200 records. Three is no way in hell I and many others are going to pay $85.00 for enough solution to clean 60 to 100 records. Dude you want to sell you device give a life time supply of cleaning solution that is 99% distilled water and 1% what?. What a fucking joke.
We cannot meet a 0.10 per record cost. We arrive at on a stage 0.14. . This cost includes 9.00 shipping. You erroneously compare costs for a spray bottle with ionizing agent. Every KirmussAudio user knows one buys the 300 ml refil bottle. Thank you for allowing us to enforce the fact that our orocess has the best cost of ownership to our audience.
As mentioned and per our manual and with our MDS filed with FedEx. we add 1 to 2 % diol 1-2-178 to 98 to 99 % distilled water. The base element is bought in lots of 5,000 gallons, minimum order. Ttansport costs for such a small amount is prohibitive. Hense the average 0.14 cents per record or so... Unlike other manufacturers we disclose our ingredients as to personal safety as well as their compatibility with PVC using the PVC Chemical Compatibility Chart. I am concerned about your email. While I have your ear and where you may be a DIY enthusiast, only buy any agent to be used on a record from a manufacturer. Do not try to make your own. To this, and our ionizing agent, it cannot be used in any ultrasonic machine or used as a cleaner as it is not a cleaning solution. It has to be used as an ionizing agent with our patented process, changing the charge of the record to attract the plasma wave created by cavitation. It is the plasma wave that in fact does the cleaning and restoration work. This ionizing agent will not allow you to clean a record using any other process. Some journalist in the past thinks this solution is s cleaner and used it in another sonic machine. Of course it could not work. Wrong application. Added where it gummed up their machine's pump. If you are a DIY type, stay away for your health and that of the record when making or using cleaning agents made out of ethylene oxide, such as Tergitol. Per the PVC Compatibility Chart, thus chemical affects the record's PVC, and of greater concern for your safety. per California Proposition 65, it is an irritant and dangerous to your health. Must be handled carefully. Some journalists recommended buying it through back channels as it cannot be bought by lay people due to its publicized adverse health affects. Good luck with your efforts. I beleive I responded positively in kind to your observation. We are proving a very consumable that is reasonable in cost and is safe, as well as using it in our process we as both Michael Fremer of Stereophile and Andre Jennings of The Absolute Sound do in fact restore grooves, and not just try to surface clean.
Even So the fluid is too expensive for anybody and you are losing sales due to it. You need to find or make another fluid that is cheaper for the common man.
This is sounding like bs, well I wouldn't put rubbing alcohol that probably got it is at 70% contains other substances like oils. There's nothing wrong with 99% isopropanol as long as you don't exceed 10% of the entire mix but instead I would use AdBlue instead what is 32% urine 68% deionized water you can get it from petrol stations put in diesel cars for the emissions, and a few drops of hair conditioner wouldn't go amiss either but make sure it's salt free. Is it an ultrasonic sonic cleaner? I think they're bad for your records will damage them over time could cause microscopic cracking. After cleaning and drying Spray your record with a dry silicone lubricant like ttd ds100 a very pure silicone lubricant. Just a gentle spray put a pencil in the record spin it then spray vertically. Ethylene glycol is very poisonous toxic I wouldn't be spraying in the air specially if you're clean a lot of Records can cause nervous damage even death even in smallish quantities. Why don't you make a container for the brush that has a exuberant sponge and you can just dip the brush in it would be better than spraying it in the air not sensible is it. clearly you're wearing that doctors coat for comic effect.
@automatedelectronics6062 record inserted in the machine for a 5 minute cycle without the ionizing spray applied. Record taken out. Excess water removed. Ionizing agent brushed in. Another five minute cycle. Record taken out, Excess water removed.The goat hair brush pad dried. Ionizing spray applied once more. As the spray was applied, on both records we noted whitish materials appear. This is the colorant that is found in the spray. Allows one to see what cavitation pulled out from the record in the previous cycle. Record returned to the machine for another 5 minute cycle. Both records saw us complete 5, five minute cycles. Noted in cycles 3 and 4 less colorant appearing where this indicates less materials being pulled out by the ultrasonic. Last cycle saw the record come out virtually dry.
@@kirmussaudio7578 Thank you for responding to my comment. I do like your RCM and believe that it is truly effective. However, records are meant to be played and the faster you can get them on a turntable playing, the better. Multiple 5 or even 2 minute cycles is way too long. I can clean, rinse and vacuum both sides of an LP on my VPI RCM in 5 minutes and ready to play. Although ticks and pops drive me up the wall, when I digitize the LP, or any record for that matter, I have a computer program which makes them disappear. There are also inline pro-cessors which can do that in real time when the records are playing. As I mentioned before, I have 1,000's of 7" 45's. It would be of help to me to have an RCM which would clean atleast 6 7" 45's at a time. That is the number of records which can be stacked on the multi-play spindle(s) on my 2 record changers. I also have a collection of jukeboxes which hold 50-100 7" 45's or Compact 33's. Cleaning one record at a time is a drag.
@automatedelectronics6062 The fact of the matter is where our machine is not a record cleaning device. We call it a record groove restoration machine using ultrasonics and record ionization whereby multiple the applications of the spray over several cycles is needed. A charge needs to be induces as both water and pvc have the same electrical charge. This charge of the record to attract the effects of cavitation. To the illustration, the induced charge wears off as the record spins. Unless this ionization of the record is done, our machine or any other ultrasonic cannot truly accomplish much. Proof where these machines need air drying. A restored record comes out virtually dry. The intent of these needed cycles is quite obvious if you wish to reach the contaminants in the groove. First, to remove films left over from prior cleaning processes as you just described or implied, they all leave a measured unintentional film that shines a record, not the intent of the KirmussAudio process. We strip these films off..your needle should not be riding on this. Then over 3 or 4 cycles, ourcprocess then removes the film deposited on the record by the outgassing of the plasticizer while the record is in its sleeve and then finally removes the release agent that surfaces during the pressing process . This also by design removes dust or other contaminants that have landed on the cooling record at tge pressing plant that get fused into the groove, cause of those nasty pops that we hear in new records. So yes, some work needs to be done. The result is where your needle discovers what was actually pressed. As such considered by many as your best analog accessory over and above purchasing cartridge upgrades, silver interconnection cables, tone arms and the like No need to repeat this process in the future except for a 2 minute cycle when you deem the record needing some maintenance. Check out our UA-cam channel for before and after restoration of records that were previously cleaned with ultrasonic and vacuum systems.
I agree with your methodology and approach to cleaning 12" vinyl using ultrasonics' to remove contamination, but I personally would recommend doing some of your preparation much differently, namely not ever using a "circular" motion to scrub record groves (like if you were cleaning your floor); it drove me nuts watching you do that in your presentation. I talk with the authority of a lifelong collector, starting in a high school radio station in the 1970's up to today, and that is that you only follow the grooves cleaning and never try to wipe away from or towards the center. I see it is just an application phase for the cleaning solution, but you are busting a protocol on standard care methods. I don't think you are doing the record any favors that way. See my next post.
It is not a cleaning agent or a soap. It is an ionizing agent to see the effects of cavitation be attracted to the record as usually records, water and soap repel each other based on the Tribelectric table of charges. As we cycle records in and out of the machine as the induced charge dissipates, the subsequent application of the ionizing spray also allows one to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. First removing films left over by prior vacuum, manual or sonic methods. Then finally the release agent itself. The rise and fall of whitish materials and rapid evaporation there of validates the groove has been restored...the needle now riding the image of the stamper. Swirling motion aids in changing the charge. Also allows one to see the effectiveness of the prior cycle. New records dated 20 years or younger are notorious with their PVC mix so we use a 5, four 2 minute and a final 5 minute cycle irrespective of the whitish material appearing.
I ask only one question because I believe in your product. $1000.00 plus. Be honest now! What is your profit margin on this machine? Make me feel like the industry is supporting its fans and not laughing all the way to the bank. I’m not Analog Planet so my endorsement probably won’t generate huge sales, so just for the hell of it , give it to me straight and honest and justify money I work very hard for!
@ericx4124 Wet surface cleaning is just that. We all want to remove surface contaminants off records. This said, read the ingredients list on any solution you are using. Use a mechanical dry and not an air, vacuum or spin dry. Cleaned, or restored, or not, before play of any record, always use a 10 micron parastatic felt brush on the record to remove dust, etc., then a 2.5 million carbon fiber brush to reduce static. Our process does need some elbow work. The purpose is to remove first films left over from prior cleaning processes and chemical residues that were air, spun, or vacuum dried on the record, then in subsequent cycles the film deposited on the record by the outgassing of the plasticizer while the record is in its sleeve and then finally the release agent that surfaces during the pressing process of the record. It does not need to be repeated except for a 2 minute cycle when one deems it necessary. Many good processes out there for surface cleaning.
People who say this isn't worth it are ignorant, you're missing all of the sonic benefits you'd get with one of these, you can do a far more deeper clean with one of these then anything else, upscale audio has a demo of them using a vpi turn table after cleaning records with this thing, and their truly silent... I have a spin clean which works decent and is really the second best way to clean your records besides this thing, from what ive seen with this, it would still be an improvement.....
@@kirmussaudio7578 ofc, you guys have a first rate product here, one of the best cleaning devices I've seen and it deserves a whole lot more attention, i need one of these badly!!
OK, my problem with this is the 70% Isopropyl alcohol. The other 30% has impurities that distinguish it by law not to be drinkable. If you read the other ingredients, I think we should be leery of their use with vinyl. Why not use 99% Isopropyl and more water?
70% IPA is manufactured where this is a percentage, and has nothing to do with "impurities" in the IPA solution. We use this added to 7.1 liters of distilled water to kill live or dormant fungus in a percentage that is safe for records. Not used for cleaning. 1.4 ounces... To consider 99% IPA in the same 7.1 liters of water is not safe for the record.
Look over details on our website and appreciate the fact where the Tribelectric table of charges proves that one needs to attract the effect of cavitation and as the record spins our induced charge sprayed onto the record needs to be re applued.applied. this if we want to remove the release agent. The heating of the water caused by cavitation has a negligible effect on removing the 70% IPA used to kill live or dormant fungus. Thus as we change out the water every 10 records or so per the manual.
If Fremer is involved, it's not surfactant, it is snake oil. Should have teamed up with with somebody trustworthy. Why are you not using a $30 000.00 power cord to run your cleaner? lol
Cannot say more but where we restore, not just clean, supported by now 3,000 users, among them producers, musicians, custodians, broadcasters among others. Check out the 100th Anniversary of KDKA this November. We are restoring their transcript recordings made at the station in the 60's.
Wait a sec, did my eyes see correctly? Is this machine only 1000 thousand dollars??? Thats very affordable. I still wont be buying one... not at this time at least.
Michael have you no shame, I hope you’re not making him clean up all you’re albums? Just kidding! I didn’t hear what kind of sleeve should you use to store the albums? When ou get a chance, thanks...
I just bought one and we are very impressed. Yeah it takes a bit of time but it's worth it. My wife and I couldn't believe the difference. I actually did one record 5x. It's not meant to do a whole collection in one night. The sound improvement justifies it. After all the money I spent on junk record cleaning products this is the one that actually works. I'm actually surprised it cleans records way beyond what I thought was a clean record. Regardless at the end of the day the "work" justifies the results. It only feels like alot of work until u hear the results then it makes u want to get them all cleaned. Anyways great machine and I'm really happy with the sonic results .
Thanks for the time in giving us a recommendation and your opinion.
Excellent and informative video. Definitely interested in the system. Sounds like Dan Aykroyd is in the room cleaning vinyl. Thank you Michael for posting.
My first thought
I bought the KA-RC1 a few weeks ago. It's amazing, It's pricey, yes, but it trumps Spin-Clean & Vinyl Styl, but it is a much deeper cleaning system than a vacuuming-based offering.
Friends, after using the KA-RC1 with several of my old LPs, they literally sound brand new.
It will NOT repair deep scratches, but if people have carefully handled their LPs and stored them properly, the KA-RC1 genuinely restores the original sound of your records.
If you care about your vinyl, get this thing.
Are you a friend of Kirmuss? I used it for 1 week now and had many records destroyed by cleaning (scratches) and it doesn´t get the records clean even if I spend 1,5 h cleaning. Don´t buy this thing.
If you followed the manufacturer’s directions and records came out damaged using this machine, than that’s on you. I’ve restored multiple records that I once thought were too dirty or scratched to play again. This system completely restored them. Absolutely no reason anyone with even an average level of intelligence could damage their records using this system.
@@HIHIMIII56 No, I'm not a friend of his. I still use the unit, and I still recommend it.
@@HIHIMIII56 It destroyed many of my records too. I think it's the wheels that your record spins on. Tears up the rim of the record. The white crust you see when it comes out is probably the vinyl stitching.
@HIHIMIII56 impossible for the process to scratch or damage records. Many beware and used records after restoration will allow us to see surface scratches and marks hidden by polishing treatments applied to the record by record resellers trying to make damaged records look new. We have caught record repackers polish what appears to be new records only to discover scuff marks under whatever they applied to the record for sale.
The only way to scratch a record is if the felt pads are not inserted correctly in the slots.
This makes me not want to collect or play anymore lps! All the work is insane!
Each to one's own. Speaking for me, there is a distinctively a different quality level when listening to LPs vs vinyl. For me, it's worth the effort.
Your mileage might vary.
If you visit one of our dealers and bring in one of your records for restoration, not surface cleaning, it takes only 6 or 7, two minute cycles on average to restore 2 records simultaneously. I do not expect one to restore all their 2,000, 5,000, 10,0000 records.... Your ears will value what we bring to the table oncecredtirstion has occurred.
Our peers with multiple cycles over 30 minutes cannot remove the release agent of 60 years ago. We offer a 1.3 to close to 5 d. Gain over floor depending on the provenance of the record being restored.
The proof where while it may take some time and effort, stereo manufacturers use our process to restore the records that they use in their studios at various trade shows, this to emphasize their product.
Case in point where Jeff Rowland Design will take your record and restore it for you at a show, this before they play it on their system this for you to hear. I am trying to be impartial. Two records at a time in 12 to 14 minutes is well worth the effort for you to realize the full potential of your turntable and stereo. Cellist Vincent Belanger restores his new pressing made in Germany of his Cello title, gaining 1.3 db on average as a signal gain and removing the 3 or 4 pops burned in the release agent of the record, pops burned in a new pressing at the factory he uses. I am sure both would gladly take your call and explain the end result restoration, not cleaning
LP's have a magic about them. We will not debate analog versus digital, but a restored, nor just surface cleaned record, offers emotion and breath to the artist...
It's fun though you do the work and get the reward
I purchased this equipment and I must say...It rocks. I am very pleased. It cleaned a 40 year old record that I bought when I was a kid and it the album sounds like it was freshly pressed. Definitely recommended.
Glad you have noted the difference between record surface cleaning and our record groove restoration process! Enjoy the newly discovered breath of your vinyl! Thank you for letting us know.
Thanks for bringing back to life a 40 year old record! We all are custodians of the records we own.
Got mine today and already cleaned 3 records. It WORKS!
How well?
@@utub1473 The short answer is very well indeed; but you have to put the effort/time it takes. It is not an instant process, especially with older, mistreated, very dirty records. One thing to say is that most people who feel this is too much work fail to realize you wouldn't be doing this process with a record every single time you want to play it. You'll do a deep clean/process and then, if you do treat your records with the care they require, you would not need to do it again for a while. I am not a big fan of re-issues so I buy a lot of used records and I will not play them without doing a very deep cleaning/restoration first. The difference is VERY noticeable. Yes, this restoration does require "elbow grease" but so does the Spin Clean. Again, it is not something you need to do each time you play a record but for those who don't want to put in the time, there are other options that range between 3 thousand and 5 thousand dollars. I rather use that money for other things.
I have a Record Doctor VI that I use to vacuum the record with after a final rinse with just distilled water. I do this because I prefer this to drying them by hand with an optical cloth.
Mind you, this system does NOT repair damaged records. If the record is scratch, this is not going to get rid of that noise. What it does is remove dirt, finger oils, etc from the grooves. You will definitely hear less to none pops and clicks but then again, the condition of the album itself does matter. The process will prolong the life on your records and cartridge.
Lastly, just in case, I am in no way affiliated or related in anyway with Kirmuss Audio.
@@bulldogdave Charles actually said that for certain records (depending on the PVC mix the plant uses) there is so much release agent taken off the record that scratches that were previously audible go away completely! This is because the stylus rides much deeper in the groove and doesn't make contact with the scratch.
A shot glass (1.5 Oz) is perfectly sized for measuring the isopropyl alcohol
Mine are larger...little humor! Thanks!
@@kirmussaudio7578 I’m very impressed with my Kirmuss RCM (from Dr. Vinyl). The surfactant is so key to the overall level of clean that can be achieved, as you demonstrate very effectively. When Jose called you about missing parts, then found them and called you back and said “I’m an idiot”… that was my Kirmuss RCM, lol.
After 3 years of research we discovered where most systems cosmetically cleaned. Nice to see 1.5 to 5 db gain using the process. Enjoy your restored records and the breath and air of the original recording!
Great question and point for us to respond to. First, we do not use a cleaning solution. We use an ionizing solution. There is a difference. Our agent is not a cleaner as our process deals with the record grooves. At $ 85 US dollars for a 300 ml refill bottle which allows one to restore between 300 andv 600 records , number depending on the number of cycles needed to remove first the left over films from prior cleanings that were air or vacuum dried onto the record's surface, then the record release agent, ...At between 0.28 cents and 0.14 cents per record, and for groove restoration, this is very, very reasonable, one would think. Another manufacturer has agreed where their cleaning solution of $ 25 USD per bottle which cannot be left in their machine's tank overnight but even so, if one could wash 100 records in a day, that equates to 0.25 cents a record just for a washing. Clearly we provide the lowest cost of ownership.
Other processes only surface clean. This as both the record and water have the same charge. Our process changes the charge of the record attracting the plasma wave created by the ultrasonic to first remove past films left by other processes and cleaning methods. Then we proceed to remove the release agent that surfaced and was left by the pressing process. At the California Audio Show this past weekend we processed even new records presented by Lynn Stanley in her session. offering 1.3 db increase over floor.
We do not only clean.
Our process allows you to see first hand when we have stripped out past cleaning residues and the like. I beleive we are the only people to talk about signal gain after use of our process. I HOPE SO!!! We have received many positive comments from users of other processes. Enjoying very much talking to users.
My heavens, that's a lot of work for each record. I wish I had this kind of time
PVC repells water with or without soap.
To remove the release agent we need to ionize the record to be opposite to that of water. No known method except for ionization.
If you want to surface shine a record, 3 minutes in our machine. We are not a surface cleaning process.
Once you have processed a record in our machine we never have to repeat the process. Except for 2 minutes later when you decide that there are new contaminants or large amounts of fingerprints and the like accumulated over time and much handling .
We guarantee 1.3 dB gain over floor for new records and upwards of 3 to 4 dB in records of provenance unknown or records processed with other cleaning systems.
Proof is where our processed records do not need any air or vacuum drying.
So yes, a little elbow grease is needed.
Your needle is now riding on the detail as pressed by the stamper and not the grooves covered by the pressing oil as discovered originally by the Shure Brothers in 1977.
Do look at our 10 part instructional video taken in Seoul Korea on our UA-cam channel that shows what a vacuum leaned record looks like after processing. Our process lets you see first our removing the film left by a vacuum system. Then the release agent also where dust was fused at the factory creating 3 pops in the record.
Check out the review by Andre Jennings of The Absolute Sound supporting the findings of Mr. Fremer as to the restoration capabilities of our system.
Michael I can’t wait for your review and how this will compare to the Audiodesk that you have. I didn’t know that you were still into cassette decks, that’s a nice Nakamichi Dragon and Revox deck that you have there. Thanks Kirmuss Audio for doing the demo.
He has already made his comparison in the July 2019 issue of Stereophile. If you wish to restore a record and remove the release agent from the pressing, delivering new breath to the pressing, we are the real deal.
KirmussAudio I will have to check it out, thanks
Also, all other sonic machines try to clean in 5 minutes one record. Many vaccum systems need 10 minutes or 15 minutes per side... trying to clean. Most sonic manufacturer suggest repeated cycles. Some do one size record only, one at a time. . We do multiple records and sizes simultaneously. Clean or restore, your choice with our process.
Vacuum is 2 to 3 minutes, not ten. Really dirty record maybe run twice for 4-6 minutes. No doubt sonic cleans where vacuum can't. However 10 minutes is an exaggeration for vacuum and clearly there is no time advantage as you are claiming. Depending on machine once it spins 3 or 4 times or wand moves over record it is dry and that takes maybe a minute per side tops.
I think Mike Fremer was only half joking when he said, to the effect of, “So, you’ll stay here and clean all of my records?”. I don’t doubt that this must be a very, very good way to make ones records as spotlessly super duper as close to sterile-clean as they’ll ever be. But time consuming? Like none other I’ve ever seen or heard of. While you are spending half your life cleaning your records, I’ll be listening to mine. After a quick spin on my VPI 16.5 record cleaner, of course. Which might not do what this ultrasonic procedure does, but pretty damn close I bet. Now, there IS an ultrasonic cleaner out there that automates much of the job, but it cost much, much, much more. And it’s price makes it out of reach for most. But really - after watching this I can see why some audiophiles spend the money for it!
I've got 2 records, so I'll listen to one while I clean the other
So right. We ultrasoniske clean ours with one from Amazon with motor. Three at a time for six minutes and let dry. They are perfect. We have 21.400 records and would never spend that long - Its not needed. Ok you Can purchase 60 used like We did on sunday. And seven needed a bit mord
@@michnygaard Yes, although I “only” have about 11k LPs, there is no way I have the time to spend 20 minutes cleaning each record!
Our process uses record ionization to remove films left over from prior cleaning processes, then film left on the record by the outgassing of the record's plasticizer while the record is in its sleeve, then the release agent that cools as soon as the record pops out of the stamper, fusing at times contaminants that land on the record, cause of those unwanted pops in new records. No sonic can pull materials out of the record's grooves as both the water in any tank, with or without a surfactant added, sees both having the same electrical charge.
We will have a video on our site that will allow one to see how different ultrasonic machines work. One may replicate the tests at home with their own machine. Surface cleaning is not the same as groove restoration. One will discover spacing of records placed in an ultrasonic bath is important. Some purport they have an ultrasonic inside their machine. The video will support our discoveries and claims.
Well noted. Analog experts Andre Jennings and Michael Fremer both ascert where the KA-RC 1 is not a surface cleaner. We are a restoration process. To explain, We remove first films left over from prior cleanings, then the record pressing process release agent that is weeks or years old. The latter is where we find the dust microwelded into it by the heat generated by the needle, causing the pops that one hears.
Restorstion is 6 or 7 two minute cycles or 4 to 5 five minute cycles depending on the provenance of the record.
Yes there are repeated steps.
...This as where vinyl repels water with or without a cleaning solution. That is why for decades the many cleaning processes do not work as to getting into grooves. They also inherently leave surface films when records air or vacuum dried. . Added the size of the water molecule. Another hindrance to getting into the grooves.
As our ionizing agent gets washed off in the process due to the charge of the record returning to the like charge of water, that is why the repeated steps.
...Also by chance we see the actual result of each cycle by what the goat hair brush has brought up that the sonic softened in the prior cycles.
If you wish to just surface clean, use a 3 minute cycle with our machine. We may clean 4 records at the same time.
Restoration per Andre Jennings brings soundstage and timbre back, hidden by films left over by prior cleanings as well as the release agent.
there is no such thing as a record pressing process release agent, the vinyl naturally does not stick. Such a fundamental misunderstanding make me question if this machine was designed correctly, ofrif it is just trying to catch some cash in a hot market, with a lower price and careless adaptation of a generic product.
@@richardelliott8352 anyone that is familiar with injection molding and extrusions of plastic knows there is a lubricant that surfaces to allow for the injection or pressed item to pop out. Using the Keyence VHX 7000 we can measure this. Before and after pressing oil removal. Shure invented this term, not us. When PVC is recycled and used in a vinyl press the new pvc biscuit mix for a record sees at times the record caught in the stamper and where an added polish is used on the metal stamper to increase lubrication to temporarily extricate the pvc biscuits needing a modified mix of stabilizers, liquefiers and plasticizers. Proves the concept of a pressing oil appearing. Buy a new pressing and notice what the needle is picking up. Just give us a call so we may respond in kind to your reservations in more detail.
70 % ipa is not rubbing alcohol. 70% ipa unlike higher concentrations is water soluble and as such does not affect the plasticizer. It is not used as a cleaner. It is used to kill off dormant or live fungus. The process described of ionizing the record is the key to remove the remnants of the release agent that attracts and holds contaminants. Our process has been developed over 5 years and we invite you to visit one of our dealers or us at a trade show with the record of your choice that you are very familiar with and do the challenge. Several artists who have pressed recently new releases use our process and note the difference.
Our goal is to remove any release agent which we consider an attractant to dust which is subsequently micro welded into the coating found in the grooves. Records do not need lubrication or a lubricant. Needles and cartridge design predicates no such lubrication. In fact, one known product purported to change the molecular structure of the record to protect it against wear was found to simply coat the record with a 9 micon film... the purpose of a record's groove is to make full contact with the dyne of the needle. To cost a record otherwise affects the intent of the entire process.
Aren’t you supposed to wash a record after applying a surfactant? I use Tergikleen and the tell you you must wash the record after using it. You apply it last without a rinse.
Terhiclean contains ethylene oxide. Not to be used on pvc. Our agent is not a surfactant cleaner. Our process applying a spray onto the recotd over several cycles changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water to benefit from the effects of cavitation. Once the record has been restored removing any films left over from prior cleaning methods as well as the record pressings release agent, the record comes out virtually dry. No need for any wash as our process is completely different than others. Hope this responds to you question.
It’s incredibly diluted and just a slight misting of the solution on the brush. It picks up minimal dust from handling during the final stages of the restoration and provides an anti-static property before sleeving.
We restore and not clean 2 or 3 lps in 20 to 25 minutes depending on what process you used prior. We remove even release agents from 30 years ago exposing for the first time the grooves as originally pressed less release agent! New records see 3, five minute cycles for German pressings. Four 5 minute cycles for new American pressings. Records washed by some ultrasonics and vacuum systems take 25 minutes.
1. We changed to 60 ml bottles from 250 ml in 2019, due to issues shipping. The 60 ml does 60 to 100 records based on 4 five minute cycles average. Only light spray at 22, 4 and 8 PM is needed. 2,100 customers in one year cannot be wrong. Pse make sure you review the updates on our Company web site as to supplements and asked questions.
It is impossible to scratch a record with goat hair brush. The brush is held by squeezing the goat hairs and using thus to add pressure to the brush hairs to bring up the contaminants and push the ionizing agent into the grooves.
Kindky review the supplemental manual pictures.
The typical time for a new German pressed record is 3 five minute cycles. For a new US record pressing, 3 to 5 five minute cycles. Depending on provenance you need to apply the ionizing surfactant until you see the rise, then fall of what appears as a whitish material. This is material disturbed by the brush from the gooves. A decrease or rapid evaporation confirms the last five minute cycle before polishing.
Records repel water. If you have a record coated with Last Protectant or L'Art du Son, ...You will see thousands of small water droplets on the record after the second 5 minute cycle. You will waste the ionizing surfactant. Per the QA section, change to 2 minute cycles, not 5 minute ones. Coatings such as LAST repel anything put on the record, the sonic will wash the ionizing surfactant off the record within two rotations. Using 2 minute cycles it takes 5 to 6 two minute cycles.
The above info is in the supplements and web site updates.
We clean 4 records in 2 minutes total. 4 records simultaneously. We restore 4 records between 15 and 25 minutes simultaneously. Restoration is not cleaning. Restoration removes first films left by prior cleaning methods, then we remove the release agent from new and old records alike. 40 years of pops and clicks removed. Read our faqs section.
Would of been nice to hear the record before and after cause to me that is one long cleaning method
*would have
We will be adding a video explaining how sonic cleaning technology works, showing also proof of our process and where sonics using skewers on a rotisserie cannot see any action as the records are too close to each other with before and after results played.
I think, initially, the process might be lengthy, depending on the condition of the record, but, I'm certain that after the initial cleaning, proper care for the same record will require less frequent and less intensive clearing.
Once release agent is removed, a 5 minute cycle every 3 or 4 years is needed, or earlier if the record is handled frequently after restoration.
Check out the Kirmuss Audio UA-cam channel.
Clips with audio and video ysing a spectrum analyzer of Records before and after restoration are present. Recorded in front of an audience. Records belonging to record lovers brought in for restoration. Unedited. Unscripted.
It usually takes 20 to 25 minutes on average to restore record grooves and clean it, this for 2 records handled simultaneously. To note, a three LP adapter is coming allowing 3 LP's to be restored in the same time. We cannot control the provenance of the record. We have proven at the many trade shows taking records brought in by audiophiles from their collections where previous cleaning methods used by visitors to our booth have not touched the grooves, sorry to say. Most systems used whether sonic or vacuum actually added more contaminants to the grooves. Proven using using a 3d microscope to measure the film's left in the grooves. A green light or vacuum motor stopping does not indicate grooves being cleaned. Even 8 times in a competitive sonic system and when the record is afterwards placed in our system and our process sees 4 cycles of 5 minutes I cannot say more. To note where even new pressings from Germany see 15 minutes, 20 to 25 for some US ones. To know when to stop the process, make sure to rinse and then pad dry the brush used between applications of surfactant, and to discard the brush after 60 records. We use the brush to see an increase and decrease of the contaminants being removed indicating end of process. Of concern. Records coated with Last or other protectants cannot use the standard recommended 5 minute cycles. Consult our web site to learn how to identify this. You will need 9 two minute cycles to strip these off as the coatings wash off the surfactant applied within minutes. If you used 5 minue cycles with a record coated with an agent you I am sure would therefore easily pass the 50 minute mark. With lots of beads of water visible, or sheets of water on a record, change to 2 minute cycles. Record now restored in 15 to 18 minutes. Two like coated records restored in the same time.
when is the three LP adaptor coming? (edit) I found it, currently sold out, pre order also sold out. waiting game. surprised you don't sell them directly I would expect this would sell well compared to the 12/12/10/7 option. 10inch records are really not that common for most collections, a minor part typically. its over 90% for most collections 12inch in my experience.
@@varsityathlete9927 Upscale Audio sells the 3LP machine. We manufacture this exclusively for them. The 3LP cover is available only to 2 LP machine owners. The 2LP machine registration must be on file with Kirmuss Audio.
We would love to do this. We will make a recording of before and after as well as provide signal strength measurements. We also use the Sugar Cube SC1 as do many of our dealers to count the clicks and provide and record the audio just of the pre and post restoration process clicks and pops as reference. Great proof of our restoration process. No one else as a manufacturer talks of quantitative and qualitative measurements and processes. In fact one sonic cleaner is not even using ultrasonics, we discoveted... Please do read Paul Rigby's test report in HiFi World Jan 2019 edition where a record restored by our system and then subject to the Audio Desk System, his prior reference system, affected negatively the record that we just restored and where the record was then returned to it's full glory when returned to our system for one cycle. Hifi Pig published the same results independent of Paul in their January 2019 review, giving us Outstanding Product award. We cannot say more , we work with record custodians on a professional basis and use test equipment to prove our claims, but it seems globally where the snake oil is everywhere else... not in our process.
Now on the KirmussAudio UA-cam channel, two short video clips of before and after record restoration with audio in sync with a spectrum analyzer. Note the increase in signal and frequency response.
Thank you for your querry.
Please do note foremost where our peers sell their ultrasonics at 4,000, 4890, and 7800 usd respectively. These are their list prices. Our ultrasonic baed machine with sundries and proper designed record suspension system itself is no where near these retail levels. We offer the best bang for the dollar with written gustantted results in decibels. We are the standard.
Our dealers have 2000 sets sold in the US alone last year to audiophiles. This indicates to any reasonable person where we are the true honest value leader. I have no issues as owner to explain our profit. Am proud of how we support our channel partners.
Our product channel partners are honest, most if not all are family owned businesses, just like ours.
We were seen by manufacturers such as Jeff Rowland Design, Oracle Turntable, Audio Note as industry leaders and honest. They use our product to restore their own records.
We are the only sonic based manufacturer to offer a written performance guarantee in restoration..
Audiophile and dealer approved!
To your question, We have pricing established at 3 tiers. Distribution Price, Dealer Price, and Retail Price. Each tier makes a profit. We also have manufacturer representatives promoting our products. They receive the same commission as they would on their other audio lines they represent.
...If you have been in retail you should appreciate this.
Continuing...
Import Duties are 2.5 % from China, plus where we have the Trump Tax added of 25% added. Pending is another 10%. This arrives at our product cost.
I have no issue in providing you with the above as to each profit tier.
I am personally supportive of audiophiles and our channel partners and our mutual responsibilities as custodians of records and recordings.
Compared to our dealers and distributors, we are making very little when compared to our channel partners. ...This said, we sell primarily through dealers. We have no on line store. Our Dealers make the same amount of profit on our product as they do with their other high end lines.
... You seem like a bright person.
If you have been in retail or know of someone that is involved in stereo, or have been a manufacturer's representative, you should appreciate what that profit lines are between respective sales channel tiers to remain a viable business.
. Easy for you to see who makes what off of our list price of 970 usd for the us model.
Overseas models are slightly more expensive due to added costs of a different power supply, three additional electrical approvals, and shipping. Overseas also have added taxation. As to the US model you refer to. we ship by air our 30 pound unit to our hq.
With your calculator in hand, we, our dealers and distributors and reps are certainly the friend of audiophiles and especially where we meet our responsibilities as custodians of recordings by using our affirdable and globally proven process to restore records and bring back proudly to life those artists, engineers, musicians, studios long passed.
Is there a way we can hear the difference of vinyl playback through an audio sample for reference, by comparison between a vacuum cleaner and the Kirmuss?
Go to our UA-cam channel. We have two records that were brought in by music lovers for restoration. Before and after testing done with a spectrum analyzer. Testing unscripted.
Yes. On our UA-cam we restored a record as noted previously cleaned by a vacuum system
1. Restoration of a Frank Sinatra Record. Mexico City Nov 2023 KirmussAudio event.
Before restoration: Lots of noise. Crackles abound. Sound Muddled.
The record was processed before in a 120 KHz ultrasonic. Processed 5 times. Before in a vacuum based cleaning system, so I was told.
Video Before Kirmuss Processing:
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Video After Kirmuss Restoration: Increase in signal and frequency response, pops gone.
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2. From our record restoration event in Mexico City in front of Billboard Magazine and with an invitation only meeting of Discos two weeks ago held at the Margules factory, very nice of him, a record that was brought in that was processed prior with a vacuum cleaning system saw these results:
Before Kirmuss;
ua-cam.com/users/shorts-L2gIqQ3nok
After Kirmuss:
ua-cam.com/users/shorts_6_fhGWMBjM
To clarify and help, the 70% of 1.4 ounces in 1.78 gallons of water firstly is not used to clean. It is to kill the live and dormant fungus that comes off the record. Contact with or breathing fungus is not good for one's health. The 70% is produced in a different fashion than diluting 90 plus percent In water, and while one may try to make 70% out of 99%, as we are dealing with an ionizing surfactant and need to promote the action of the surfactant, this is affected by 90 plus alcohols. The 2 are not made the same if we discount dilution. In any event, as to plastics and if you check the pvc compatibility chart the 70% in the diluted form of 1.4 ounces to 1.78 gallon ratio is negligible and does not affect the ploymerized pvc of the vinyl or the plasticizer. If one would use a higher concentration especially of 90 plus percent, say. 1/3 alcohol to 2/3 distilled water, or 1/4 to 3/4, that is certainly of concern and affects pvc.
Also we use the specially sized goat hair brush to further polish and apply antifungal to the record while spinning on a turntable before audition or storage.
What is mixed with the distilled water in the surfactant? This video says ethylene glycol, the website says diol 2-propyl which looks like propylene glycol. What is in the surfactant other than the water?
@@briandrex we use 1.4 ounces of 70% isopropyl alcohol in nearly 2 gallons of distilled water just to be used as a initial degreaser of surface fingerprints. Vinyl repels water as you know so the cavitation of the micro bubbles formed is not the main engine and process of restoring the grooves.
@@kirmussaudio7578 yes this is what is in the cleaner itself. What is the actual surfactant in the spray bottle made of and what percentage? Your videos state 1% ethyl glycol and 99% distilled water while the web site says 1%diol 2-propyl and 99% distilled water. Can you give some clarification as to what the surfactant is that is sprayed on the records? By the way the system works great. Noted almost 5db or increase when testing. Also hear things I haven't heard before. Great restoration system!
@@briandrex hello ! Tomy knowledge ethylene glycol is safe for pvc (A = Excellent.) but propylène glycol is rated as "fair"(C = Fair, Moderate Effect, not recommended for continuous use. Softening, loss of strength, or swelling may occur.)
so i think i'll go for ethylene glycol. It's also used as a cooling fluid or anti freeze. But be carefull, it's safe for pvc but can be toxic for humans. keep it away from childrens (taste is sweet)/pets and don't inhale or ingest.
(info extrated from www.calpaclab.com/pvc-polyvinyl-chloride-chemical-compatibility-chart/)
Thank you for the reply. From what I can tell it is indeed a mixture of Ethylene Glycol, Isopropyl Alocohol 70 percent and distilled water. Will keep away from all pets and kids for sure want clean records but no one sick. Thanks again for your reply it was very helpful and works! :)
Sticking with my Loricraft.
Thanks for the recommendation! Enjoy the newly discovered breath of a restored record with release agent removed!
Thanks for the comment.
There is a difference between cleaning a record's surface and restoration, the latter, restoration, is designed to remove the release agent that is found in both new records as well as old pressings, and where in both instances where the dust and contaminants that are mico welded in the groove of the record by playing it is the undisputed cause of many of the clicks and pops we hear. Clicks and pops that increase over time.
Simple cleanings leave films and hide these particles. A false sense is provided the audiophile.
... We restore, not just clean.
A surface cleaning will not remove these clicks or pops or bring back for one's audition the exact mirror of the stamper. One needs to remember where using mechanical cleaning means and in applying water with or without a soap, both the record and the solution repells each other. Only a surface cleaning occurs. Further, the size of a water droplet is also larger than a groove which is the root cause of systems not cleaning the grooves. That is why we designed our process to temporarily change the charge of the record and attracting the wave caused by cavitation. This now pressing on the ionizing agent that we brush in the groove. This sees us remove contaminants from inside the groove.
To illustrate our point. We frst attack the film left over by prior cleanings that has been dried on the record's surface by air or vacuum.
Then we remove the release agent. This holds the micro welded dust that see the needle hit and cause the unwanted pops.
... With the films and release agent both now removed, now the needle makes full contact with the pressing.
Fremer has mentioned as many others where we deliver what we say and restore the brilliance of the pressing. One also does see when there is nothing left to remove in our stepped process.
To time, the benefit of our process may see one restore both sides of up to four records simultaneously. Something no other method can do, all the while showing you when each side of the record has nothing left to clean or remove from the groove. Our patents pending and patented process lets you be the judge and see when there is nothing left inside the groove to remove.
Do refer to the images we have taken of records cleaned by a vacuum process and then followed by ours.
As to efficiency, we offer the best return on your investment as to the very noticeable audio improvement, both for new and vintage pressings.
...For all records, the total time for groove restoration is between 12 and 25 minutes, both sides.
As our records come out virtually dry as they should, there are no films left on the record as is the case with air or vacuum drying. No need for an air or vacuum drying which in their own introduce more dust and static to the record.
We can of course just do a quick 2 minute clean. Not restoration. We concentrate and advertise restoration.
I was very enthused, until I came across the statement about a release agent found in new records, a fiction, and restoration, a physical impossibility to build back what has been destroyed. I guess this is just another guy pitching questionable product in a lab coat.
I believe in ultrasonic cleaning, but it has the potential to damage records. Thus a guy in a lab coat pitching product, using facial errors, causes me to seek a more carefully developed product.
@@richardelliott8352 respectfully you are very misinformed. Perform please the aluminum foil test with the ultrasonic of your choice. This by making aluminum foil records using a metal ring frame. In fact you will note where some 40 and a recently released 125 KHz ultrasonic are not ultrasonics and do not use cavitation, rather are sonic soap bublers. I suggest you go on our web site and look at the February 7th zoom with both NJ and LA audiophile societies present and get a feel for cavitation methods among other subjects as to record care.
Added note. When Shure cane out with the V15 Mark IV cartridge they noted where the stylus was picking something out of the record's grooves. No issues with the Mark III. They produced the term pressing oil and the slide they produced sees my seminar sessions respond to this long lost document. They could not remove it from the pressing. So if you are old enough to recall, they included a brush that rode on the tone arm. Do visit with us at any of the shows in North America or the UK where we demystify decades of myths with both physical and electrical measurements as to release agent and the like. You may also easily perform some of the tests at home yourself to prove our discoveries. Do give us a call. We are at the Portland, UK and NYC shows coming up.
Also take a Mofi and then use a otton swab and see what appears on the cotton from the needle/cartridge. Most sees a powder. This is not plastic as examined and measured by our Keyence VHX 7000 2D 3D Microscope. Sorry to be wordy but wanted to share with the audience many of the myths out there for decades.
@@kirmussaudio7578well, since this visible artifact, identified as, "pressing oil" could not be removed , one could say it was part of the intrinsic molecular vinyl structure, and not an additive. I have owned cartridges in the V15 line since the mark four was introduced. The brush was carbon fiber and discharged static ahead of the tip , but primarily provided a damping effect. as a kind of shock absorber for the cart body, so the stylus could move more freely.through warps. I was not a dust brush, although I used it as such when I first started out. there was never any mention of it being designed as a control for contamination of any kind, except sonic, so I wonder if one of our interpretations is faulty. Of course, it was attached to the cartridge, not the tone arm, a mistake I am certain you would not make twice. . As my system improved , I could hear the sonic effects, and ran the brush in the up position . I now use an shure xv15 with a Japanese aftermarket stylus , with a brush that looks the same but provides no damping , if I were to lower it. it also no longer has a stylus arm made of boron foil. the recent ortofon 2M black with the nano tube suspension seems to have finally improved on the old shures performance, so I plan on switching.
I went to a Los Angeles audio society meeting once, but they primary talked about the previous meeting. They did seem friendly and intelligent, I am just not a guy who seeks meetings for recreation..
The spinning rollers help guide the record into proper position.
Only use distilled water, de ionized is not the same as to purity. U may consult many sites regarding this.
Yeah, but you try getting hold of distilled water in the UK or Europe, enough to fill that machine and you'll have to remortgage your house (slight exaggeration, 5L £22 on average). If deionised water leaves no residue after evaporation, why do you think it's not good enough? Zap deionised with UV if you're worried about micro-bacterial malarky. Personally, I think there is a line between that which is theoretical and that which is audible. I mean, where do you stop? One could argue that your system should only ever use use triple distilled, UV treated, reverse bed osmosis water but would it make a difference to the final sound one hears? Nahhhhhhhh. Plus, try getting that in the UK and pharmacists will look at you like you're going all Walter and cooking up crack. I mean, where does one stop in an attempt to get the best sound out of a record? Wash, vacuum, catonise, plasma wave, UV sterilise, vacuum, wash, rinse, catonise again, rinse, rinse again. Some company will have us blasting our records with gamma radiation from Sterigenics next in an attempt to get an extra 0.00000000256Hz frequency response through the mechanical surfactant removal of lentivirus. Where does one stop? WHERE DOES ONE STOP? I need a lay down. Record washing is fab (even if you use a George Vacuum cleaner for the job, UK again) , wash it, suck it up, listen and enjoy. Buy more records! Sorry, is that a UK only term? Vinyl. Whatever. Just enjoy listening. Mr Kirmuss, not after a fifty billion word reply / justification, just my opinion. Buy more records. Be happy :o)
So clean one record takes almost 30 minutes?
18 minutes to process 4 new records at a time. Records of provenance unknown, 15 to 20 minutes to process 4 records at a time.
Once restored this process does nit have to be repeated.
A 2 minute cycle every so often when one determines the record has fingerprints or other contaminants present.
Two other things I would do differently are first: never let a microfiber cloth anywhere near a record at all, even as just a drip towel. Why? Because of what you said about the 'lint.' This material sheds plastic fibers like mad and I had to find out the hard way about the danger that microfiber poses to vinyl records. Just a few of these lint fibers on a record can gunk up your stylus and cause distortion, and worse case the the needle jumps the grooves, skips and skids. I would only use a new very fine-weave cotton towel that you shake out real good and it must not have gone through your washer/dryer ever. (The center elevation with a fur pad is a good a idea here.) Second, I would cut the amount of alcohol used to 3/4 or half the 40 ml you suggest, as it is still a solvent, and with different vinyl formula over the years there may be the chance of records having less resistance to damage from contact with *any* amount of alcohol. Also, I would have two goat hair brushes: one for surfactant, and one for plain water or dabbing. I use a similar system with my 45 record restoration technique. Plus you have to be very careful applying a fluid to only one side of 12" record, especially thinner pressings, as doing this just begs these discs to warp. You've got to be quick and use as little fluid as possible. From 40+ years of collecting and cleaning experience.
We use an opticians lint free cloth and parastatic felt brush at the end of the process. Pse review our manual for complete details.
Rrspectfully this is Incorrect. 70% IPA 1.4 ounces in 1.78 gallons does not affect the plasticizer. The 70% is not a dilution of 91 or 99%. Different chemical process. Not used for any actual cleaning of any grooves as the record repells the distilled water with the 1.4 ounces added, it is used to kill live or dormant fungus that comes off the record so one does not inhale it.
Please review the latest materials on our web site, version 10 of the manual. Tge videos date back to 2019.
What other surfactant do you recommend with your machine ?
We do not use a surfactant per say. It is an ionizing agent with our colorant added that changes the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water that attracts the effects of cavitation. It is not a cleaning solution. It is made for us to our specifications. No other solution can be used to achieve this that is available in the market.
hi, I am interested in purchasing but would prefer the 3 LP adapter that you mentioned below around 1 yr ago, is this adapter ready yet? I never use 45s or 78s and would prefer to go all in on the 33s
Contact Upscale Audio
Ringo Star! Michael must not be totally sold on it yet??? This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about??? Definately a great rep. Was he one of the engineers? Or more on the marketing side? Ill never be able to afford this. I only have 50 lps, mas o menos, but I find it all very interesting. I know I kinda troll Michael by comparing him to Lou Reed. But im being completely honest and mean no disrespect. He's not as wrecked looking as Lou got later in life. He and John Cale made some really groundbreaking music and sound. Love Transformer also. I Need to get that one again. Anyway, I look forward to seeing if this becomes the record cleaner for Audiophiliacs to get :^)
Noted your notes. Both JR Boisclair of Wally Tools and I have been noted as disruptive as We provided technical details for the first time in decades to disrupt the many myths out there using test equipmentand scientific processes. . As to record care I ask openly the question if industry peers have ever told their potential customers what their chemicals are and do, as well as what a cleaning machine advertised is supposed to do? Our seminars are generic and have started to demystify old myths and therefore erase many of the reports published in many magazines over decades. . At our seminars at the various audio shows and as to cleaning solutions sold we have provided details as why some do not work or where some are harmful to pvc per the pvc chemical compatibility chart. With hands on matetials presented to the audience , kowing that ultrasonics should dimple a record made out of aluminum foil, hand outs are given. In fact two machines advertised as 40 khz ultrasonics show no cavitation and fail this test. Some cleaning solutions were shown to coat records once we showed before and after measurements. At our seminar sessions at the audio shows we allow the audience to make their own decisions after they see and can touch the test samples. In fact we show how audiophiles may do their own independent testing and make their own observations. Michael has seen these materials. In fact his seeing the effect of ultrasonic cavitation on skewered aluminum records spaced so tight in sold rotisserie style skewer systems that hold records in ultrasonic machines sees the lack of even distribution of cavitation, so any person would not doubt why Michael in seeing these tests, tests that anyone can replicate, certainly creates doubt as to the efficacy in some of the advertised products out there. So indeed he noted that it seems there is lots of scale oil out there. One of our assets is a VHX7000 Keyence $170 000 microscope used to take imagery of before and after use of our system. One can use a simple VU Meyer also to note increased signal, so to your point, I certainly saw his frustration about thus industry product sector..
If you don't want to put the record on the microfibre cloth because it will transfer lint, why would you use the microfibre cloth to vigorously clean the brush which is then going to be used again on the record?
The record does not sit on a microfiber cloth, it is suspended on a lint free 5" pad, or on an optional 1" high plastic turntable.
No.. he's right.. why are you rubbing that brush into the microfiber towel? You're moving lint into the brush.
lol seriously this guy built his entire method and machine around mythology. he also wants us to believe that using 1.4 ox of 70% ipa into 250 oz water is somehow better or different than putting in 1 oz 99% ipa or 1.1 oz 91% ipa to the same volume of water. at that scale the .4-.5 oz water that is added with 70% ipa is a literal drop in the bucket
Wow, probably a great machine, but hell, after all of those applications could probably get damn near same results from use of Spin Clean and Vinyl Vac. But the lab coat is readon we should listen!
Thanks for your opinion. The forum is for an exchange of ideas. Noted your point. Everyone has theirs. This said,...I do not beleive where you understand or appreciate the fact where our liquid agent is not a cleaner.
It cannot be used by itself on a record.
It cannot be used with a vacuum or other ultrasonic system. Or a manual cleaning. Whoever perhaps mentioned this to you does not understand what an ionizing agent is. And how it has to be specifically used. That is our Patent.
Our process is different. Our spray is not a cleaner.
To assist both you and our audience, No other process that we know of removes the record's release agent. Home to those unwanted pops. Do review videos as to how records are made. There is a reason why records "pop out of the stamper ". As analog expert Michsel Fremer has written, no one is seen spraying Pam onto the stampers at the pressing plant.
To price and to restore the record grooves of 1 000 records, with our ionizing agent the consumables cost as it relates to our spray would cost you 140 to 283 USD. For processing 1000 .
Very reasonable if we can restore a scratched and scuffed 60 year old pressing or new pressing, and bring both back to life. I am sure you have seen the images taken by our 2d 3d digital microscope and the measurements of groove size, detail and depth. Before and after. . Our restoration process with our ionizing agent, not a soap or cleaner, brings recordings to life by stripping out the release agent.
Back to your point and setting the record straight, we cannot use our liquid as a cleaner with other machines and processes, and most respectfully stated, you wanted a solution for 10 cents a record. That would relate to $100 USD to clean and not restore 1,000 records. Small difference for the benefit of the bargain that our total process has to offer one...
I trust you have a 500 $ and up turntable,??? We offer the best bang for the dollar. Why spend 3,000 USD on a new cartridge or upwards of 1,000 USD on a set of new silver turntable interconnect cables. Our restoration with our ionizing agent delivers...
. Our solution when used only with our process and at 14 to 28 cents a record is the least affordable for gain guaranteed. That is the result we offer.
Again and as a warning,...You cannot use our fluid with any other system or manually apply it as it is not a cleaner. It will not improve anything.
You need to appreciate the fact where we with our machine and ionizing agent, not a soap, is the only method to remove the release agent from the pressing's grooves, offering you between a measured 1.4 dB to 4+ dB over floor of gain. You cannot compare this as a cleaner you buy. So granted your price comparison while flawed sees our agent, and considered as a consumable, in the restoration of 1000 records with a 40 to 148 USD difference over what you'd like is only a little more expensive. Over perhaps a year or two. If you restore 1000 records over that time period.
In any event if you are familiar with our sales network, in the US alone we saw our authorized dealers sell over 2,200 systems last year. (2019). While none of your concern, we are proud to say where this month alone 171 sold in the last 2 weeks to our dealers, repeat sales. Even with the pandemic affecting all of us.
Audiophiles and record custodians alike cannot be wrong as to what we offer them as an end result. ...
....but you are confusing matters with your flawed comparison, sorry to say.
.as to lowest cost of ownership...
We also have now the global blessing and validation of independent analog industry experts.
Back to your insistence.
... I ask whether you are buying a cleaning solution liquid. If so, and for you to perhaps do a fair and just comparison, do ask any cleaner manufacturer considered to provide you with details as to what is their signal gain over floor that their cleaning solution offers. Also how many microns of release agents that their solution removes... I doubt very much they can guarantee anything.
To explain better what we do, Please do visit one of our dealers and bring in a record, both new and vintage suggested. Then compare before and after.
Some quality surface cleaning products cost you 45 cents per record. I trust you know this. Very expensive...
Confirming again, we restore while others try to clean or polish.
Audio manufacturers such as Jeff Rowland Design, Audio Note, Grand Prix turntable, Helix, Yamaha Canada among others use our process to restore records brought to their studios at global audio shows by audiophiles such as you. The reason why they do this is very obvious.
Cellist Vincent Belanger among other musicians use our process to restore their new pressings before autographing them. Vincent's sound engineer validates the gain of 1.3 to 1.4 dB over floor on their new German pressings. This as well as turntable manufacturer Oracle.
...None of these above mentioned industry peers has any relationship to our Company.
This stated, we all love music. That is why we are on the business. My company is there to help you restore the brilliance of your records, new and vintage, never before heard when the time comes We are confident of the results...thank you for allowing us to better explain the difference between cleaning and restoration. Cleaning soaps and ionizers.
So, as a summary and while you may perhaps still not think where an extra 4 to 18 cents per record is worth it to you, may I strongly suggest as where you are seemingly keen about this pastime, suggest to you in not upgrading your turntable or to to e arm, you do visit one of our dealers and use our ultrasonic record groove system with our ionizing agent used with our process. You will hear the difference immediately.
Apologize for taking extra time in responding to your comparison as our ionizing agent is not a cleaner, rather , it facilitates our system to remove first surface films then the release agent which has the microwelded pops embedded in the grooves.
Of course we cannot please everyone, but we do guarantee the increase in signal resulting in a more spacious soundstage and improved timbre, quoting Audio Engineer Andre Jennings.
De ionized water does not have all the nutrients of bacteria removed. Speak to our staff in the UK. www.kirmussaudio.net
We do not have an insert to do more 45's or 78's. Response to the availability of an insert to restore four 45's at a time was not that positive. To make new molds is a serious investment. Your request has been noted.
Respectfully. One cannot do two sides simultaneously with a vacuum system. There are several systems out there. As vinyl repels water by nature the solutions applied to one side of a record at a time needs to see multiple applications of the cleaning solution to the record if we are to try to attempt to clean the surface of prior films left by prior cleaning agents. We have microscopic images of this where after 3 nechanucal and vacuum surface cleanings have not resulted in any groove cleaning, sorry to say. Send me an email and I will send you some slides. Added where vacuum brings dust into the record from surrounding air and depending on the velocity of the venturi pressure differential brings static onto the record.
A simple wash is 2 minutes. If you want to pick up the imagery as witnessed and reported on by Michael Fremer after a year of testing, we remove all contaminants from the grooves. In 2 or 5 minute cycles. Several records at a time usually taking 20 to 25 minutes. Noted your comment. Over 2,000 audiophiles and music lovers have bought our product in just over a year. Even audio manufacturers such as Jeff Jeff Rowland Design, Yamaha Canada, Oracle turntables all use our process on their records before use in their own listening rooms at global audio trade shows. Again, while not for everyone, at less than $1,000 pur process provides immediate results over buying cartridges that are over $4,000, change out tone arms at $8,000, adding silver cables at $2,000. Obviously not for everyone. Guaranteed to even improve imagery and timber from even a basic entry level turntable coupled to a modest or restored vintage low cost system. Everyone has their opinion. The extra effort removing release agent and contaminants from recent as well as records that are 40 plus years old is well worth it. To note current processes have been found to leave residues, we also remove these.
As I am more into 45's than 33's and my collection is mainly 45's here is my question... can I restore 2 45's simultaneously?
More and more brand new records seem to have excessive surface noise, hiss, ticks, pops, crackles where my other new records are fine. Can the cleaner assist with this surface noise/hiss?
Absolutely. We use a fixed process. One 5 minute cycle. 4 two minute cycles.l, then one 5 minute cycle each with the ionizing agent applied. The Sound engineer for cellist Vincent Belanger processes their new pressings and notes the 1.3 dB gain.
Agree with general sentiment here: 20-30min to clean a record is a non-starter aside from exceptional and dirty finds (like some old mono blue note). I was looking at this video because I was about to order the machine. Would be helpful to understand how well this works vs. vac machine if we only do a single 5 min cycle. I only have at most 2 hours at most to listen every day, mainly because I need to work like a dog to afford my record and hifi addiction! This extended process is simply unrealistic for daily listening.
The process needs to see multiple cycles as the ionizing spray gets washed off near the end of each cycle. The process us to attract the plasma wave created by the sonic to get into the groove and remove the release agent that holds the microwelded dust particles that cause the unwanted pops. If you want just to surface clean. One 5 minute cycle is needed. So you have more than one option, clean only or clean and restore
We do not put the record on a lint free micro fiber cloth. We suspend the record on a lint free, dust free circular pad that we supply , or offer a the same 5 inch pad with an optional support made by a company called Stable 33.33. Model called a Transit 7000... With the latter accessory, the record sits 1 inch above the work area. It also spins.
...The workstation rabbit cloth protects the work table, the record does not touch the record.
...Added, we use this same cloth to pad dry the goat hair brush between applications of the ionizing surfactant to the record's surface and in this application as we are now changing the state of charge of the record thus accepting now the plasma wave to work on the grooves themselves, by now pad drying the goat hair brush with the rabbit microfiber cloth thus drying the brush between applications of our ionizing surfactant (not alcohol), we see better the initial rise and then the fall and also the rapid evaporation of the whitish toothpaste like materials that were softened by the sonic and disturbed and brought out by the brush.... thus giving us the visual validation where there are no contaminants or release agent left in the record grooves. Groove restoration now accomplished ...end of process.... part of our patented process. Works for both newly pressed and vintage records.
Thanks for your comment! We had a before and after clip on the web. It is being redacted to include restoration of Edison cylinders in our new product as well as lacquers and transcripts. Do you have a dealer that could assist nesrby,? At the major global audio shows, bring us a record. We play the before and after of any record brought us. Contact us for the name of a dealer nesr you that would gladly restore a record in front of you. Do read the July 2019 issue of Stereophile and the results noted by Mr. Mr. Fremer on 2 records he used to test our process. His words at the RMAF 2019 panel (video) reports his results. Yes hearing is believing. Hope you have a dealer nearby. We do guanantee your results. You can both hear and measure them.
Very wise to wear a lab coat to not wet by accident your Hong Kong tailored shirt and dress pants.
Sometimes when I watch videos like this as an audiophile, I start to think we’re all sociopaths (except our sociopathy doesn’t hurt anybody) 😅
That is why we use our parasitic felt as a finish
We did not release yet the 3lp accessory
Try contacting our UK office at www.kirmusssudio.net. Here in North America a US gallon goes for 1 US Dollar. Our peers in Europe all recommend distilled water. Deionized water here costs 8 US dollars a gallon. Yet, it is not as pure as distilled water. Our grocery stores, aquarium shops, corner pharmacies sell distilled water at the price mentioned.
Works. Cool.
It probably works, but who the heck is going to take this amount of time and trouble?. Twenty minutes, maybe more, to clean an LP. I can't believe the guy keeps a straight face as he starts yet another 5 minute cycle, HOPING that 3 cycles is enough on this occasion. And gallons of liquid bite the dust.
I guess it just depends on how serious you are about this hobby and how big your collection is. You could always pay your children a buck a record to have them clean them using this system haha
@@utub1473 You've hit the nail on the head. With a tiny collection, and immense enthusiasm, it works!
@@Telssa1 Yeah. If I had a collection like Fremer's, I wouldn't use this. Ok maybe for a few of my PRIZED albums but not all of them. The thing is I know that I DON'T want a collection that big or even anywhere close. A few hundred will be enough for me, so this machine would actually be perfect for me.
Peer ultrasonics that do not use ionization ask you repeat their processes for 4, 5 more 5 minute cycles. The Kirmuss ionizing spray shows what has been pulled of the record, and when a record has been restored, the needle for the first time picking up the detail as pressed. Once processed, this process does not have to be repeated.
Wondering if a high pH ionized and microclustered water, like the 11.5 pH produced by the Enagic SD-501 water ionizer, will work as the post cavitation cleaning agent. Thanks!
De ionized water of any type is not recommended as only distilled water has all bacteria and elements removed. We have discussed this matter in many other posts.
4 clean records in 2 minutes. 4 restored records in 25 to 30 minutes simultaneously restored.
I have 100% isopropyl, so 30ml instead of 40ml should be OK?
Do not try to dilute 100%. 70 % is not usually made by just dilution . Send us an email to ckirmuss@frontier.net. we do have a method to dilute 99 % to be used just during the covid crisis. To note the alcohol in small quantity is used to kill live and dormant fungus. Not used really to clean and restore the grooves although it may seems to aid in removing fingerprint oils during the pre wash,wetting cycle.
That's a long process to clean records. Do you have an adapter for 4 x 12" 33's ??
We restore, not surface shine or clean. Once done, the process does not have to be repeated.
Seems to me if you already own a vaccum based RCM you could use this system and then just use the vaccum RCM to suck up the distilled water used in the final rinse so you're not hand drying it , no ?
Vacuum brings in static onto the record by way of moving air, as well as reintroduces dust. Not a process we recommend
@@kirmussaudio7578 yes it does bring static on to the record but have you ever wiped a pair of eye glasses with some sort of clothe after cleaning them ? No matter how clean you try and keep your optician clothe it still leaves smudges . I use a hair dryer on my eye glasses after cleaning them , totally smudge free . I think if you are not going to have a vacuum on a RCM then you should have a blow dryer as some other ultrasonic RCMs use .
As vinyl repels water by nature, a restored record taken out of our process sees little if any water on the record's surface. The light mist applied barely requires a vacuum.
@@Shadowman820 To me, this is getting more nuts. Yes, any 'blob' or 'thing' moving against air will cause said 'thing' to get embedded with free electrons - static. Will this make any difference to the audio signal? Nothing audible. Vacuums don't make static. If you're talking about a vacuum device to remove fluid off a vinyl record, there's usually a wetting process involved beforehand, we aint talking a girl with long dry hair and a balloon here. Any form of moisture or humidity will neutralise static. If you take a hairdryer to a record then that's like a sandblaster for every form of particulate going. Suck that stuff in and blast it on your music. Nahhhhhh, bad, bad, bad. Nahhhhhh.
@@kirkrogers4937 Yeah this process would be too labor intensive for me too .
will this cleaning method clean old RCA records and Columbia records that were kept in plastic and cellophane sleeves where the plastic and cellophane has seemingly baked into the vinyl? Will it remove it from the record?
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sadly the damage is done. the groove is physicaly altered. i read somewhere that the use of a car restoration product called scratchX from meguiar's did a good job polishing the surface and as the product contain lubricant it seems it helps reduce the shhhhhh sound. so it could be ok for a digitalisation.
Yes!
Just received my Kirmuss restoration device. No matter how long I let it cool, when I turn it on the red led is lit. The small one on the far right also lights up within 1-2 minutes. Room temperature is 23C. Any tips?
Thank you for your email. The operation us normal. Do review the manual and supplement on our web site. 1. You need to remove the cover to cool the water. Usually 10 minutes. 2. The long red bar is the normal operating range. You stop only when the small red light bar lights up, now finishing the last cycle. 3. You stop immediately when the small red bar flashes.
@@kirmussaudio7578thanks for your reply! the problem I have is that the small red light is always on, already after degaussing, and it never flashes. However, after about 20 minutes I can see the records warping and I feel a heatwave coming up from the machine, so I'm assuming it's too hot which causes the warp.
We do not monitor our UA-cam site. Communicate to us using email. We will send you an RMA number.
Please call us for warranty repair.
I like how you worked in that caveat where he is "Drafted" into cleaning your entire collection as part of the demo! Always Be Closing! A very thorough process. But, if you have say....30,000 records l(ike somebody we know) he will be there till the end of time watching those bubbles cavitate. I mean, I thought I was anal in my cleaning process. Geez. Not a criticism, just an observation. P.S. I now understand that this is a restoration process, not just a cleaning process. I stand corrected. Thank you for the demonstration.
It was a pleasure to see his collection. He knew when asked the exact location of any record as well as not only provenance but details as to determining original and copy sleeves. He was very inquisitive and asked very precise questions. Just to touch his collection and to see it first hand was one of my memorable experiences over a decade or so. Indeed the smell of fungus in the air was a treat. Nice to hear tge brilliance of the records we did restore together. Totally unscripted, he is witty, professional and passionate about music and analog. I was scolded when I inadvertently stepped on a loudspeaker cable.
@@kirmussaudio7578 I love the smell of fungus in the air. It smells like..............Michael's basement record collection! It is always a pleasure watching Michael's videos, and I'm always laughing and learning a great deal from the man down in his bunker! Thank you very much for that informative demonstration. You are clearly passionate amd dedicated to your work here and It shows. I hope you took my comment in the context that it was meant. Thank you again and be safe during these trying times!
No worries. We'll received! Thanks!
....Kidding aside, to restore 4 records simultaneously and removing the release agent in 4 or 5, five minute cycles is not that long. Of course for the desired result. RESTORATION....
....Agreed, a full time job to restore 30 000!...
Other processes take the same or more time in trying to surface clean, and asctested. never removing the release agent and in most cases leaving a surface film after air or vacuum drying.
.... 30,000 ..... Lots of labor of love in any event!
To the iinference, our ionizing spray used on records sees multiple cycles with records cycled in and out of the machine occurs as this spray agent used between cycles gets inadvertently washed off iin the restoration process.
To better explain, Before the application of the ionizing spray which is not just a cleaning agent, both the charge of the record and that of water relative to each other are alike. Like charges repell, so the ionizing spray when applied to the record changes the charge of the record relative to water to a negative and thus attracting the slightly negative plasma wave (of water) created by cavitation..... Thus removing in order, first surface residues and dirt, dust, other contaminants, then finally the release agent.
...A single cycle using our system and not the mjltiple cycles as recommended will do only a quick surface clean. ..... not perform total cleaning and the intended groove restoration of our patented discovery.
... To the sign of our times. .... Lots of folks restoring their records during Covid 19! And enjoying their new found brilliance and Soundstage revealed!
Keep those records spinning!
OK, I'm sold. Do I get one of those rabbits?
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@@kirmussaudio7578 Can I pick him up at the California Audio Show?
$80 for a bottle of that spray. Ripoff scammer
The cost per record is between 0.28 and 0.32 cents per serving.
Is this THE cleaning machine right now?
Before and after sound demonstration missing. Thats what I'd have to hear
In the interim, call us for the name of the KirmussAudio dealer nearest you. Bring in a record. Have the dealer play part of it, have them restore it. Then play the same record. You will hear and feel the difference.
@@kirmussaudio7578 Thanks.. I live in the Lafayette Louisiana area.
No local dealer in Louisiana. You may send us a record to restore. Contact us using our web site contact page.
Any static. Anti fungal, 4 mil HDPE with or without a sandwiched alkaline and not rice paper. The latter adds more rigidity.
Ok for a handful of records, will take ages if you have a few hundred/thousand records. $890 on Amazon. Not as pricey as I was expecting. Was expecting $2k. Still a lot of work but prob worth it if you have a 20k system
Typically we see 4 five minute total cycles. We may do 2 LP's at a time in that period. The other systems after their advertised 5 minute cycle, even repeated 6 times do not clean the grooves!!! Paul Rigby's review in HiFi World proved where a restored record using our process sees the same record when subject to another process see the results negated, and with sound degraded. Another 5 minutes back in our system sees the sound, air and space returned. Sonics alone have been proven thus not to be what they are purported to do. Our findings thus independently validated. Yes, a little elbow grease is needed with our process but the signal gain and resulting soundstage are well worth it!
this is way... too time consuming for me.
Understood your point.
To your post, it all depends on what you expect from your hifi system. Full performance of the needle riding on the reverse image of the mirrored lacquer, or, riding on the reverse image of the master with release agent and left over films from other cleaning processes that are air dried or vacuum dried as a coating..reducing inadvertantly the timbre and soundstage that the master is capable of offering you.
6 or 7 two minute cycles or 4 or 5 five minute cycles on 4 records simultaneously offering a 1.3 to 4 plus dB gain over floor is what one would expect, is only offered by our process.
Cannot say more.
Other methods cannot do what we do. We remove the release agent from 70 years or 2 months ago on records.
As Andre Jenjings from the Absolute Sound this month and Michael Fremer in Stereophile July 2019 said, if you want to bring life to your records, only our process does this.
Yes, some time and love is indeed required as you infer.
Unlike other cleaning methods which all actually leave films on the record that we can measure, we can surface clean if you wish 4 records at a time in 2 minutes. Reponding to your desire. No other system can offer this either.
As to restoration, Using our patented process, each cycle lets you see the removal first of surface contaminants, then the left over films from prior cleanings and methods used, then the release agent. The latter holds the pops and clicks of the microwelded dust in the release agent created by the heat of the needle. With release agent removed you will never burn in any dust in your record grooves. Leading audio manufacturers at trade shows use our orocess on a record that you may have brought to an audio show before playing it on their system. Ever wonder why?
For the audience....
When is a record deemed clean? When is a record "restored" ?
Visit one of our many dealers. Bring in a record, new, used, previously cleaned with any other method. Play the first song on one side. Use our process as prescribed. Then play the same piece.
We describe dB gain. Other processes never mention this aspect.
Indeed we may surface clean 4 records in only 2 minutes. This is not the intent of our process. Rather than buying a 3,000 USD cartridge or 1,300 USD silver turntable interconnect cable, at less than 1,000$, we bring records both new and old to life. Respectfully, you will hear and feel the music and artist as never before. The results are heard and felt even with entry level turntables connected to the many self powered speakers.
Thanks for your post. Hope we explained surface cleaning versus release agent removal and the measurable results.
The slots accommodate 180 and 200 g records. Room to spare.
By the time it is done I would have got bored of the idea of playing a record and gone off and done something else instead :p
Your opinion is welcomed! Not a surface cleaner, audiophiles agree rather than spending $ 8,000 on a new cartdridge or $15,000 on a new turntable we provide the best bang for $1,200 or less with immediate discernable results as posted by many users. Yes, it takes 20 or 25 minutes to process 4 records concurrently, the effort is well worth the time and effort. It makes even the modest of turntable configurations shine. Even entry level turntables and system configurations benefit as we improve needle to groove contact. Do bring a record to one of our dealers or supporting manufacturers and see for yourself the discernable difference... of course the process is not for all. If a simple surface cleaning is needed, a 5 minute cycle is all that is needed for 4 records. Less work than available manual or vacuum cleaning systems.
@@kirmussaudio7578 I have no doubt that it works well, I just lack the patience to be able to wait for my music to start :D
Understood. If one reviews some vacuum systems sold they in fact take more time to clean one record where we restore 4.
I do not believe that Mr. Kirmuss is a chemical engineer, otherwise he would know that vinyl records made since the 1960's is more chemically resistant than the cleaning references that he quotes from the 1960's. Those references are for the 78's that were previously made and still prevalent at the time. Also, ethylene glycol can be used as a wetting agent, but it is not a soap. On any vinyl record made in the past 50+ years, you can use a stronger solution of alcohol, and instead of ethylene glycol, it is more advisable to use a soap and then thoroughly rinse with distilled water. Shake off excess water, dry with a clean towel, and use a discwasher to take off the residual fibers.
I believe you are mistaken in your posting. The premise of our process is to change the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water no matter the vintage of the record. We do not care about ethylene glycol per say. That explains in order to use the benefits of cavitation we in our process change the charge of the record temporarily using a coating. If you are trying to remove the release agent from within a 35 micron diameter groove and any microwelded dust using a liquid of whatever type and noted where the suspension further with a droplet size of over 100 microns cannot do this.
Added. No matter the vintage of the pvc pressing.
So before you play it, wet the record with surfactant, drag my $5000 stylus through a wet record? Why even dry the record if you have to wet it before playing it?
No . Mist on a dry brush ionizes the record after processing. Then one either plays it or stores it. One or the other. It is only done once. It is an anti static treatment
@@kirmussaudio7578 Thank you for your reply - appreciate it as I try to understand this all. Mist is a liquid on the brush then the brush puts the liquid on the record before playing, so in my mind the record is now wet before playing? or am I over thinking it?
The mist on the brush applied at arm's length evaporates on contact with the brush. All you ate doing at the polishing stage is to ionize the record and negate the charge
All vinyl is not created equal. PVC is only one ingredient and while that may hold up to heat how does one know the other vinyl ingredients will hold up as well? There are countless vinyl recipes in existence and each manufacturer over the decades probably has or had multiple recipes. So unless every vinyl recipe on planet earth has been tested in a 95 degree ultrasonic bath of water/alcohol combination and then tested thereafter year after year after year, etc.. for (loss of) sonic quality, it seems factually impossible to make a blanket statement that isopropol alcohol will not damage your vinyl. How could anyone possible know that? Good luck.
Thank you very much for your illustrations. This is a great addition to the community. . Leaving out the new green vinyl from Green Vinyl aside and their soon to be disclosed formula, except in the days of polystyrene records, pvc has been around for more than half a century. It, along with carbon black added was the standard. Just as you state there are polymizers, stabilizers, plasticizers, all added. Mixes do vary. As such some points to share.
As to heat. Records bought and then placed is a hot car may in fact damage and warp the record. We saw this in our tests in Arizona. In the shade our car yielded 147 deg and warped records temporarily. Those placed on the dashboard, not so lucky. Added was heating directly by the sun. Taking advantage of your point, the heat of the needle causes friction znd as a result, generates heat. That is why it is recommended to play a record once per side per day as a caution as many cleaning agents could have affected the plasticizer unintentionally.
Indeed we talk about heat. Ultrasonic machines in the process of cavitation sees the water heat up by way of the kinetic energy. That is why we show the status of the water's temperature. Records are to be removed at 104 at the maximum. Records do survive higher temperatures. Not all homes have air conditioning. A record that comes out of a press is at a higher temperature. Processing a record at 94 deg F has no effect on the record.
As to chemical compatibility, the little amount of 1.4 ounces of 70% IPA in 1.78 gallons of water in our basin will not affect the structure of the vinyl record. It is not used for groove cleaning. Per the pvc chemical compatibility chart, this is safe. In our case the 1 to 2 % mix of diol propanol in 98 to 99% distilled water used as our ionizing agent is also PVC friendly, and promotes the attraction of the plasma wave created via cavitation to hit the record's groove. The use of 70% over other IPA's such as 91, 99% is used for pvc compatibility, but more so where the 70% through its production process unlike higher IPA's has the ions we need in our process. Indeed as you have stated and as what we recommend. one should never use any cleaning agent on any record unless one reviews its compatibility with the aforementioned chart. Avoid also the word rubbing alcohol, and before purchase, sone IPA's show this wording, make sure in the ingredients list shows it is IPA only, no additives.
Our recommended IPA concentration is safe for both vinyl and shellac records. As just mentioned. it is not used for cleaning, it is used to kill the dormant and live fungus that comes off the record and finds itself in the tank.
Thank you for bringing this subject up.There has been much misinformation published out there. Your points raised were very timely. Keep those records spinning!
@@kirmussaudio7578 Amusing. Now you see it, now you don't. The shell game has been around for a half century as well. A quick slight of the soap and your Stones LP goes up in smoke. Diversionary, rudimentary blather.
I used one for 1 week now and the result is very disappointing. Not only it takes ages to clean records I spent 1,5 h to clean 2 records and still there was crack sounds on the records. Then I pushed the brush a bit harder to clean better witch resulted in scratches so the records we´re destroyed. In another video he says: "One 9 $ bottle lasts for 300 records" That´s the biggest lie I heard in HiFi business. The bottle costs bout 25 $ in Europe and lasted me for 5-6 records so it´s terrible expensive too!
Cracks originate from elementary drying method. Swiping a cloth across vinyl inevitable creates static. But their solution to correct the very problem they've created is to spray your cleaned vinyl with another layer of their surfactant to "polish" the record. Sure. At $85.00 for 10 ounces of 99% distilled water and 1% of God only knows what, could it be the additional use of surfactant (polish) is to keep you buying more and more? Also creates another problem, the "polish" is then picked up from the grooves by the stylus, creating a pile of white dust on your stylus so you must keep cleaning during playback to circumvent distortion.
Do read the manual and supplement on the web site. It should assist you.
Nice system and Lab coat, but being a ex DJ with over 5000 albums this is not for me. I've been using a Vevor complete album cleaning system with a DYI filtration system and it works wonders, and all for about 185.00 out the door. And you can clean 8 albums at one time! 1 Year warranty plus the added guarantee of purchasing about 6 of the Vevor systems for the price of the unit on this demo...
Restoration using record ionization with an ultrasonic is not surface shining. We offer 1.3 to 3 to 4 dB gain and 8 to 32 % gain in frequency response. Fremer has proven where skewered records see no cavitation.
I shine the surface after the ultrasonic cleaning and I get about 10db gain average depending on the overall condition of record. Cavitation persist as evident by the evidence left behind... @@kirmussaudio7578
I would only buy this if the cleaning solution was $20.00 and enough to clean 200 records. Three is no way in hell I and many others are going to pay $85.00 for enough solution to clean 60 to 100 records. Dude you want to sell you device give a life time supply of cleaning solution that is 99% distilled water and 1% what?. What a fucking joke.
We cannot meet a 0.10 per record cost. We arrive at on a stage 0.14. . This cost includes 9.00 shipping. You erroneously compare costs for a spray bottle with ionizing agent. Every KirmussAudio user knows one buys the 300 ml refil bottle. Thank you for allowing us to enforce the fact that our orocess has the best cost of ownership to our audience.
As mentioned and per our manual and with our MDS filed with FedEx. we add 1 to 2 % diol 1-2-178 to 98 to 99 % distilled water. The base element is bought in lots of 5,000 gallons, minimum order. Ttansport costs for such a small amount is prohibitive. Hense the average 0.14 cents per record or so... Unlike other manufacturers we disclose our ingredients as to personal safety as well as their compatibility with PVC using the PVC Chemical Compatibility Chart. I am concerned about your email. While I have your ear and where you may be a DIY enthusiast, only buy any agent to be used on a record from a manufacturer. Do not try to make your own. To this, and our ionizing agent, it cannot be used in any ultrasonic machine or used as a cleaner as it is not a cleaning solution. It has to be used as an ionizing agent with our patented process, changing the charge of the record to attract the plasma wave created by cavitation. It is the plasma wave that in fact does the cleaning and restoration work. This ionizing agent will not allow you to clean a record using any other process. Some journalist in the past thinks this solution is s cleaner and used it in another sonic machine. Of course it could not work. Wrong application. Added where it gummed up their machine's pump. If you are a DIY type, stay away for your health and that of the record when making or using cleaning agents made out of ethylene oxide, such as Tergitol. Per the PVC Compatibility Chart, thus chemical affects the record's PVC, and of greater concern for your safety. per California Proposition 65, it is an irritant and dangerous to your health. Must be handled carefully. Some journalists recommended buying it through back channels as it cannot be bought by lay people due to its publicized adverse health affects. Good luck with your efforts. I beleive I responded positively in kind to your observation. We are proving a very consumable that is reasonable in cost and is safe, as well as using it in our process we as both Michael Fremer of Stereophile and Andre Jennings of The Absolute Sound do in fact restore grooves, and not just try to surface clean.
Even So the fluid is too expensive for anybody and you are losing sales due to it. You need to find or make another fluid that is cheaper for the common man.
This is sounding like bs, well I wouldn't put rubbing alcohol that probably got it is at 70% contains other substances like oils. There's nothing wrong with 99% isopropanol as long as you don't exceed 10% of the entire mix but instead I would use AdBlue instead what is 32% urine 68% deionized water you can get it from petrol stations put in diesel cars for the emissions, and a few drops of hair conditioner wouldn't go amiss either but make sure it's salt free. Is it an ultrasonic sonic cleaner? I think they're bad for your records will damage them over time could cause microscopic cracking. After cleaning and drying Spray your record with a dry silicone lubricant like ttd ds100 a very pure silicone lubricant. Just a gentle spray put a pencil in the record spin it then spray vertically.
Ethylene glycol is very poisonous toxic I wouldn't be spraying in the air specially if you're clean a lot of Records can cause nervous damage even death even in smallish quantities. Why don't you make a container for the brush that has a exuberant sponge and you can just dip the brush in it would be better than spraying it in the air not sensible is it. clearly you're wearing that doctors coat for comic effect.
@Pete is never wrong not sure how I should take that you agree or disagree?
Seriously, we can supply you with a lab coat if you order a system from one of our local dealers.
Now i underdstand how Michel gets the money to buy a 170 thousend Dollar turntable
Give us a call and we can direct you.
Pro-cess?
@automatedelectronics6062 record inserted in the machine for a 5 minute cycle without the ionizing spray applied.
Record taken out. Excess water removed. Ionizing agent brushed in. Another five minute cycle.
Record taken out, Excess water removed.The goat hair brush pad dried. Ionizing spray applied once more. As the spray was applied, on both records we noted whitish materials appear. This is the colorant that is found in the spray. Allows one to see what cavitation pulled out from the record in the previous cycle. Record returned to the machine for another 5 minute cycle.
Both records saw us complete 5, five minute cycles. Noted in cycles 3 and 4 less colorant appearing where this indicates less materials being pulled out by the ultrasonic. Last cycle saw the record come out virtually dry.
@@kirmussaudio7578 Thank you for responding to my comment. I do like your RCM and believe that it is truly effective.
However, records are meant to be played and the faster you can get them on a turntable playing, the better. Multiple 5 or even 2 minute cycles is way too long. I can clean, rinse and vacuum both sides of an LP on my VPI RCM in 5 minutes and ready to play. Although ticks and pops drive me up the wall, when I digitize the LP, or any record for that matter, I have a computer program which makes them disappear. There are also inline pro-cessors which can do that in real time when the records are playing.
As I mentioned before, I have 1,000's of 7" 45's. It would be of help to me to have an RCM which would clean atleast 6 7" 45's at a time. That is the number of records which can be stacked on the multi-play spindle(s) on my 2 record changers. I also have a collection of jukeboxes which hold 50-100 7" 45's or Compact 33's. Cleaning one record at a time is a drag.
@automatedelectronics6062 The fact of the matter is where our machine is not a record cleaning device. We call it a record groove restoration machine using ultrasonics and record ionization whereby multiple the applications of the spray over several cycles is needed. A charge needs to be induces as both water and pvc have the same electrical charge. This charge of the record to attract the effects of cavitation.
To the illustration, the induced charge wears off as the record spins. Unless this ionization of the record is done, our machine or any other ultrasonic cannot truly accomplish much. Proof where these machines need air drying. A restored record comes out virtually dry.
The intent of these needed cycles is quite obvious if you wish to reach the contaminants in the groove. First, to remove films left over from prior cleaning processes as you just described or implied, they all leave a measured unintentional film that shines a record, not the intent of the KirmussAudio process. We strip these films off..your needle should not be riding on this.
Then over 3 or 4 cycles, ourcprocess then removes the film deposited on the record by the outgassing of the plasticizer while the record is in its sleeve and then finally removes the release agent that surfaces during the pressing process . This also by design removes dust or other contaminants that have landed on the cooling record at tge pressing plant that get fused into the groove, cause of those nasty pops that we hear in new records.
So yes, some work needs to be done.
The result is where your needle discovers what was actually pressed. As such considered by many as your best analog accessory over and above purchasing cartridge upgrades, silver interconnection cables, tone arms and the like
No need to repeat this process in the future except for a 2 minute cycle when you deem the record needing some maintenance.
Check out our UA-cam channel for before and after restoration of records that were previously cleaned with ultrasonic and vacuum systems.
I agree with your methodology and approach to cleaning 12" vinyl using ultrasonics' to remove contamination, but I personally would recommend doing some of your preparation much differently, namely not ever using a "circular" motion to scrub record groves (like if you were cleaning your floor); it drove me nuts watching you do that in your presentation. I talk with the authority of a lifelong collector, starting in a high school radio station in the 1970's up to today, and that is that you only follow the grooves cleaning and never try to wipe away from or towards the center. I see it is just an application phase for the cleaning solution, but you are busting a protocol on standard care methods. I don't think you are doing the record any favors that way. See my next post.
We are not cleaning the grooves. We are using the brush to first change the charge of the record to ve opposite of water. It os not a
It is not a cleaning agent or a soap. It is an ionizing agent to see the effects of cavitation be attracted to the record as usually records, water and soap repel each other based on the Tribelectric table of charges. As we cycle records in and out of the machine as the induced charge dissipates, the subsequent application of the ionizing spray also allows one to see what the ultrasonic softened in the prior cycle. First removing films left over by prior vacuum, manual or sonic methods. Then finally the release agent itself. The rise and fall of whitish materials and rapid evaporation there of validates the groove has been restored...the needle now riding the image of the stamper. Swirling motion aids in changing the charge. Also allows one to see the effectiveness of the prior cycle. New records dated 20 years or younger are notorious with their PVC mix so we use a 5, four 2 minute and a final 5 minute cycle irrespective of the whitish material appearing.
In most instances no.
I ask only one question because I believe in your product. $1000.00 plus. Be honest now! What is your profit margin on this machine? Make me feel like the industry is supporting its fans and not laughing all the way to the bank. I’m not Analog Planet so my endorsement probably won’t generate huge sales, so just for the hell of it , give it to me straight and honest and justify money I work very hard for!
risky to scratch the record, little space.
Way too much for me. I’m just buying the clear audio two side cleaner.
@ericx4124 Wet surface cleaning is just that. We all want to remove surface contaminants off records. This said, read the ingredients list on any solution you are using. Use a mechanical dry and not an air, vacuum or spin dry.
Cleaned, or restored, or not, before play of any record, always use a 10 micron parastatic felt brush on the record to remove dust, etc., then a 2.5 million carbon fiber brush to reduce static.
Our process does need some elbow work. The purpose is to remove first films left over from prior cleaning processes and chemical residues that were air, spun, or vacuum dried on the record, then in subsequent cycles the film deposited on the record by the outgassing of the plasticizer while the record is in its sleeve and then finally the release agent that surfaces during the pressing process of the record. It does not need to be repeated except for a 2 minute cycle when one deems it necessary.
Many good processes out there for surface cleaning.
People who say this isn't worth it are ignorant, you're missing all of the sonic benefits you'd get with one of these, you can do a far more deeper clean with one of these then anything else, upscale audio has a demo of them using a vpi turn table after cleaning records with this thing, and their truly silent... I have a spin clean which works decent and is really the second best way to clean your records besides this thing, from what ive seen with this, it would still be an improvement.....
Thanks for noting the video made by Upscale.
@@kirmussaudio7578 ofc, you guys have a first rate product here, one of the best cleaning devices I've seen and it deserves a whole lot more attention, i need one of these badly!!
OK, my problem with this is the 70% Isopropyl alcohol. The other 30% has impurities that distinguish it by law not to be drinkable. If you read the other ingredients, I think we should be leery of their use with vinyl. Why not use 99% Isopropyl and more water?
70% IPA is manufactured where this is a percentage, and has nothing to do with "impurities" in the IPA solution. We use this added to 7.1 liters of distilled water to kill live or dormant fungus in a percentage that is safe for records. Not used for cleaning. 1.4 ounces... To consider 99% IPA in the same 7.1 liters of water is not safe for the record.
This is all overly complicated. I would rather use a quicker system so that I have more time to listen to the music.
Look over details on our website and appreciate the fact where the Tribelectric table of charges proves that one needs to attract the effect of cavitation and as the record spins our induced charge sprayed onto the record needs to be re applued.applied. this if we want to remove the release agent. The heating of the water caused by cavitation has a negligible effect on removing the 70% IPA used to kill live or dormant fungus. Thus as we change out the water every 10 records or so per the manual.
If Fremer is involved, it's not surfactant, it is snake oil. Should have teamed up with with somebody trustworthy. Why are you not using a $30 000.00 power cord to run your cleaner? lol
Cannot say more but where we restore, not just clean, supported by now 3,000 users, among them producers, musicians, custodians, broadcasters among others. Check out the 100th Anniversary of KDKA this November. We are restoring their transcript recordings made at the station in the 60's.
Wait a sec, did my eyes see correctly? Is this machine only 1000 thousand dollars??? Thats very affordable. I still wont be buying one... not at this time at least.
Everyone deserves a way to enjoy their precious and loved pressings. We set affordability for all.
Michael have you no shame, I hope you’re not making him clean up all you’re albums? Just kidding! I didn’t hear what kind of sleeve should you use to store the albums? When ou get a chance, thanks...
Mofi sleeves