Tool Time 29 Leinhard Rose Lathe
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Watch this video it is worth your time.....
This video is of a rose engine lathe, a specialized kind of geometric lathe.
The headstock on this lathe rocks back and forth with a rocking motion and/or along the spindle axis in a rocking motion.
Rose engine lathes can make flower patterns and also convoluted, symmetrical multi lobe patterns.
Rube Goldberg comes too mind seeing that contraption, it does some fantastic patterns and for sure you don't see one of those in every shop. Thanks for showing that to us Chuck an amazing road trip.
Absolutely amazing!!! It's like a 3D Spiro-graph! I was trying to imagine how to pull off some of that with the 4th axis on the mill.....not sure it could duplicate all of that. Thanks Chuck! Beautiful work by Dale!!! Tell him thanks for sharing. Looking forward to more!!
And to think over a hundred years ago some guy thought all that up and laid it all out!! That is a very cool and complicated machine.
bcb...I wish I could have showed all of the attachments that my friend has design and thought of for the machine in the last decade...lol
If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't have believed it! A fantastic machine, and Dale is a genius for figuring out how to use it and adapt it & etc.
Thank you for posting this and thanks to Dale for restoring and showing this wonderful lathe.
Luckystrike thank you and glad you enjoyed
thanks for posting this, and for making me aware of it. rose engines and ornamental turning machines are things very close to my heart,
Emma Ritson Hello Emma, glad you enjoyed the videos, I am just lucky that my buddy suggested that I could help Dale or I would have never learned about the machine
I could run that blind folded. NOT. That is amazing . I love watching you machinists. Thank you
Hi Chuck,
That's hell of a machine... Looks like it can play music...
This the kind of a machine that we see only once in a lifetime, this special kind of lathe can produce impressive art pieces in the proper hands, say thanks to Dale.
Thanks for showing,
Pierre
That was awesome, thanks Chuck (and Dale) for sharing that with us!
Thanks for the video and Thank Dale for showing us how it works ..The pieces he makes are Beautifull I have never seen such a machine before
I am very glad to have found this video. My first lathe was a Holtzapel ornamental wood turning lathe , driven by trees. thanks for sharing this information.
Beautiful work Dale! And what an excellent piece of equipment! A testament to the intricate craftsmanship that was being done so long ago... Some of those round belt pulley drive systems, remind me of trips to the dentist as a child... Man I am just awed by that machine! And, Dale's work with it! Thank you for sharing Chuck...
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Thank you for cutting me off at number 35 to see to it I want over to number 29 first then come watch number 35. We are in love with this machine type, we have this as a priority over the Monarch Lathe 10EE sorry Chuck but we have a want for this style to have one like a watchmaker in the USA does RGM Watch Co,. in Mount Joy, Pennsylvania. It is a watchmakers dream (never will have this $$$,$$$) to have these style machine. Rose Engine Lathe LOVE. Great demonstration by your friend dale, we are thankful to see it operate, he has worked hard likely and earned this great machine, please enjoy her and take the best of care.
That was truly impressive! Here I'm patting myself on the back for creating a half thou slip fit!!!
Thank you very much Chuck for sharing, and Mr.Dale needs to find an apprentice!!
I can't believe some (yea who) put a thumbs down on this!!!!!
If your not too far from Tom (oxtool) maybe we could meet, as I am here in the North bay! I would love to see your setup and pay a visit to Dale's shop if it would be okay.
Ray
Aka, Razor!
Besides the turning you have seen, they are also used for Guilloche. You can see it on some watches and other jewelry but the but one of the most practical applications is used for the "decorative" engraving used on documents such as stocks, bonds, certificates, stamps, and most importantly money. It was used to make it hard for a counterfeiter to duplicate. He was using a lot of restraint to make those gorgeous pieces. You can really go wild and get into the really bizarre with those machines. Some of the really wild ones would not look out of place on a scifi set.
Wow. I don't know what else to say. What a cool old machine. Thanks!
Wow! thats some really fine pieces. Loved watching Chuck, Thanks
Colin
***** Thanks for watching Colin
Amazing! I saw one of these in a Canadian museum but it was not operating. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Chuck,
Thanks for the VERY interesting video!!! God! That guy does beautiful work! Does he sell his pieces or just make them for friends and family? He could make a fortune if the sold them at some place like exclusive jewelry shops or stores like Neiman Marcus, Gumps or Blumingdale's! What's interesting is the machine, itself, is an antique. It's like a mechanical version of a CNC machine. I loved his collections of levels. Thank you so much for sharing his work and the machine!
Have a good one!
Dave
I just hope he has an apprentice (or similar) that he is passing all that knowledge on to. Otherwise that will be a lifetime of knowledge gone forever one day. Those are some unique pieces he is turning out there. Very nice.
Wow, I never thought of that, and you're so right! I just lost my Mom and she is irreplaceable. Thank goodness I've spent the last 3 years living on the same farm in a house 100 feet away, and enjoyed days listening to family history and I even learned a few things she was going to take to the grave, but relented and shared with me!
Aloha Bob...sincerely, CV
Just a fascinating machine, very beautifully restored/preserved and operational. It was a great video, enjoyed seeing Dale use the machine, some really good results he gets from it...
Great machine. Thanks to you and your friend for sharing.
Chuck amazing work by Dale thanks to both of you for sharing, pretty sure his work would qualify as Rocket Science
"Rocket Science"? ain't got nothing on this guy!...or the people that are masters of it.
I'm sure the applications of this mach...we are just scratching the surface.
Amazing! When man is educated and raised from the bed of inactivity, arising to the art of fashioning, he is astonishing. Thank you so much for sharing this inspiring tool and some of the items produced by your artist friend. The Internet: don't you love it!? Without it (and your labors) I never would have had the delight of seeing this fine creation. Thanks again!
Please bring my praise to the artisan, Dale!
That is a wonderful machine, hopefully never lost again. Thank Dale and you for sharing this great video.
Randy
That is simply amazing! The finished pieces are all museum quality! (and he was brave enough to let you handle them!)
Chuck, it's a toss up which is more impressive, the machine or what Dale has made with it. Both are beautiful works of art that show top notch craftsmanship and skill, not to mention creativity.
Thank you and Dale for sharing!
-- Mike
fare out stuff want to see more of that!!
Very interesting to see. Thats a marvelous machine Chuck! It seems it has endless possibilities to its pattern making. The engineering that went into building it is just amazing. I would imagine it was very expensive when bought new. That was great of your friend Dale to show us that cool machine. Maybe we can see it again in the future.
Thanks for sharing Chuck.
Adam
Chuck, this is another of your quality video productions. Your friend is very talented with his art work. This is a great review of his awesome products and it appears that his abilities, with this machine, are only limiited by his imagination! I hope to see more.
I enjoyed the showing of the level collection also.
Please keep your camera, eyes and thoughts focused on the actions!
Thanks....13
A quite staggering machine with what it can do in the hands of your friend Dale. I'm amazed at how it was designed and built all those years ago!!
How on earth did he learn how to use it? I just hope, as someone else said below, he has an apprentice to carry on and learn all this knowledge and carry it on into the future.
Amazing, it must have taken awhile to figure out how to run the machine, thanks for showing us a bit of history in action.
Thanks Chuck and Dale. That's a fascinating machine and some beautiful work.
Thanks very much, Chuck!
What a cool machine! Thanks for sharing!
So cool.
Thanks for filming this, very enjoyable. Looking forward to seeing the geometric head mounted and working.
What a Cool lathe !!
Awesome Chuck, thanks so much for sharing!
Thanks for showing this machine.
that was over the top i am also a woodturner great video
Mechanical beauty.
What a fascinating machine! Thanks for sharing. The precision is mind blowing!
Absolutely amazing! What a magnificent machine and what a beautiful restoration, nay, resurrection from a barn! Thank you Chuck and thank you Dale for sharing.
Hi Chuck . I really enjoyed this video thank you for sharing . I like all of your videos . You have some cool friends . I have read about these machines and have seen some videos of them . I would venture to say that he has only just started to learn the possible amount of patterns. It will cut litterally hundreds of them . Reminds me of the kids toy the spirograph only for bigger kids and more usefull . Look up captain eddie castelin on youtube he is a wood turner too . He has plans for a small rose lathe he has done some nice work on his although not as complicated still impressive . His machine is called lathezilla . Have a great evening buddy
Best Regards
Terry
wow thats incredible
nice machine, awesome wood products thanks for the ride along:) ummm could you please put some air bags in your suspension? some of the bumps felt like pot holes lol J/K :) awesome video :)
I recall seeing this machine on a news broadcast sometime around the bi cenentinial. . I seem to remember that an ornamental; turning was done for a very ornate banister. Am I wrong about my recollection? If not someone post what I saw it was very enjoyable. Even thought at the time we were suffering under a horrendous sunspot storm at the time. Please go back and video some more . Thanks evil Al
Chuck, I'm assuming that Dale uses the "Geometric Head" to cut in the "Z" plane? I sure would like to see that also. Not to takeaway from what you showed.
That's the 2nd Rose lathe I've seen. a friend of mines father was a Tool and Die Maker. He made patterns too, for the casting ind...Very exclusive. (This was in Danbury, Ct.)
He worked for Benrus Watch Co. in Ridgefield, CT. and think the machine was passed down from his G/father.
Although this machine was in there house, I don't think it was his full time job. Like I said he was a T+D maker/ CNC Programmer.
When I told my Dad, He had to go see for himself. We had a M/T company and was also VP at Standard Gage Div of Brown and Sharpe. They made quick friend and spent hours together.
I myself am a Journeyman T+D maker, and my minds can't see some of these designs being made by mach. let alone manual !...with cams! "...Fascinating..."
Thank-you!
Mike.
Good Stuff!!!!
The Ornamental Turning Society have a demonstration stand at the Alexandra Palace Model Engineering show every year. I'll have to see if I've got any pictures or video.
cool....thanks Paul
that's a great video.
Fascinating!!
Great video, nice machine and interesting fixtures and tooling (I can see a fair amount of Sherline components) and most importantly and impressive the operator's workmanship! One question: what kind of wood is the dark wood he is using? Ebony is prone to develop cracks or already has stresses in it and walnut can be grainy - would suck if parts of the pattern began chiping out.
Hi Chuck
Here's a series of videos showing the setting up and using a rose engine, for watch dial making
Part 5 of 5 - Rose Engine Turning by Roger Smith
I've stated at part 5 as this shows the finish result, before you sit through the setting up process.
He also does a series on straight line engine turning you might like.
Regards from the UK
Paul,
thank you for the feedback and info, I watched and then happened on to a video about a watch maker....it was very cool.
Chuck
Thanks for taking us along to see Dale's lathe! Truly amazing!
How long did it take him to learn how to use it?
Thanks Chuck!
I even thought "Oh S#*t" when you lost the lid on that one!
Jeff
Jeff Sigrist Hello Jeff,Yes, when that lid dropped so did my mouth....YIKES!, but thank god no damage! I will ask him on the next video to detail how long it took to learn the machine and how long to cut/finish a project.Chuck
cool lathe
Hey Chuck,
Very cool. I would tape your hands into your pockets if I was Dale. You are a bull in china shop. Thanks for sharing.
Talk to you soon,
Tom
oxtoolco Hey Tom...Damn....all along I didn't think you saw the items that I dropped in your shop!!!! Guess you were keeping an eye on me.....LOLATBChuck
Hey Chuck! I just used the Peppermint Patty voice in my own head, it is rare, but for you, de nada! You've got this Lathe Lover slobbering over what comes next, but I've had to pause at 3:11 to head over to Dad's for dinner.
Yup, it finally happened and now it is just Dad's place. Maybe send me your email address to cavannatta@gmail and I can give you the run-down on how nice it actually was, and why I'm so upbeat after only 36 hours.
Talk to you soon and I can't wait to watch the magical lathe video.
Thanks for getting me good and excited, Aloha Chuck...Chuck!
Wow, that is so cool those pieces are just remarkable!!! They remind me of Faberge' Eggs in how detailed and intricate they are, amazing share Chuck, thanks a bunch!
Almost as remarkable as Dale's work and creativity is that there is an Iranian Jeweler on Maui that has a machine that looked allot like that, and may have been the same kind, just not modified like this one?
The thing that leads me to believe that they may be related was that it had the brass "Rosettes" and the long armature that was connected to the spindle near the end behind his homemade cam. I can hardly remember how the one on Maui looked since that was back in 91', and I too suffer from "sometimers".
The jeweler Ahmed showed it to me after I asked him to set a black pearl my GF and I found in a plate of "Oysters on the Half Shell" at a fancy hotel restaurant into a ring. It was double lobed like a figure 8 and deep violet/blue, not grey like a true black pearl. He set it in a simple band I used to propose to her, and lucky for me she said "No", because I found out 2 weeks later she was cheating on me, LOL!
I also didn't spend any money for the setting, and just did a repair to a hinge on his cast steel safe in exchange. Life is a trip man, and I'm lucky to have lived such a full life already with Hawaii being so diverse I was raised to always go for it as a kid.
I really enjoy the diversity of your videos Chuck, and thank you for connecting me with Randy Richard, he is a great and interesting guy with another wide variety of tools and talents. I've also subscribed to Ray Caniglia, and they both live somewhat close to me out here, so that is nice. I'm really getting my fill of knowledge and distraction from affairs with all of the great channels to follow.
Talk to you soon, Aloha...Chuck
This is a fascinating video; thanks for posting it. A rose lathe is a variant of an "ornamental lathe" as they are (were?) called. As far as I can see a mill had an affair with a lathe :) and produced the ornamental lathe offspring. There is some documentation on these things. A very good book is T.D. Walshaw's "Ornamental Turning." I got my copy through amazon.co.uk. ISBN is 1-85486-108-5. The final word is the Holzappfel series of books on ornamental turning, reprinted by Dover. Nobody makes these things anymore, and you would have to take out a second mortgage to buy one. Walshaw's book has some interesting suggestions on things you can do to an ordinary metal-cutting lathe to do ornamental work. Much too long a comment already, but it is not beyond us to do some of it.
Cool how come the lights always go out down there. To many people. ??
thanks for viewing....
I see Sherline parts.