Not only that, but war is used as a tool to showcase the theme of cycle of violence in the story. The problem with many war arcs is that they're either put there just for the sake of putting it there because big war is common way to demonstrate that the story is reaching it's conclusion or that they're too long. AoT doesn't have that problem because the final arc is 49 chapters long whereas in Naruto the final war arc is 186 chapters.
This guy wanted aot to end on a therapy session or an intervention. Which the characters had with each other, the rumbling was the only way. Besides there is soo much emotion in the final arc
@angelbedolla347 Perhaps the story being told from Eren's POV was simply done. We changed locations completely. It doesn't need to be continuation of the character you already know. The story went beyond Eren once we learned that there was a whole world outside of Paradis. After that, there was a shift and Eren stopped being the protagonist, and he became the main antagonist instead.
@@VixxKong2I think the main issue is that we not only changed POV, by the final arc we get no input from Eren along the final fight, it’s only when it’s all already over and he has his mental breakdown that we get his input again. The OP takes issue with the story in terms of how the whole resolution is done by fighting what’s basically meat puppets while Eren goes without being able to say a word pretty much the whole fight
@@ethanleongsem7582I considered that arc good until after Ichigo and the squad get finished training with Squad Zero Then it alllllll went downhill pretty damn fast
@@xandex69 Return to Shiganshina was good, but I thought Bertholdt and Reiner side of the fight wasn't the best. The tactics/decisions made on both sides were kinda forced to me; like Reiner trying to solo the Scout Regiment, the Colossal suddenly being a nuke, Armin's plan succeeding because Bertholdt decided "making it quick" was burning him to a crisp instead of just stopping the steam to splat him. I'm not saying it wouldn't been better if it addressed these things, my issue is how staged and dramatized and forced half the battle felt. Even the way Hange came at the precise moment she needed to - that kinda stuff happening all at once at such a pivotal battle is fine by me, but not peak.
@@xandex69 The issue with the Marineford is that it got a lot of plotholes, since that stuff makes zero sense given modern context of the manga. The fact that no one used armament haki in that war is very telling how "planned" out the story of One piece is. Also Ace's death is very overrated considering that character was a mere cameo character we barely knew at the time before it spammed flashbacks in the post-war arc which is cheap, if it actually was a crew member that died then it would have been more impactful.
@@WieldMyWord I think you’re heavily underestimating the importance of Marineford. If Ace was a nobody who had no bonds or relationships to any other characters outside of Luffy and Garp, what unfolded at Marineford wouldn’t have ever happened. Even if a crewmate were captured and to be executed, what unfolded at Marineford still wouldn’t have even happened and its significance wouldn’t even mean remotely as much. There’s no guarantee that they’d even bother executing any of the Strawhats at Marineford except for Robin, which would’ve been redundant. Ace was set to be publicly executed for a different reason entirely. Ace’s death was a tragedy to not only Luffy but many others. It was also a great display the series’s world building between the Pirates, Marines, Warlords, Admirals, and Emperors. Not everyone who was a warlord or marine wanted Ace dead (Garp, Koby, Helmeppo, Jimbe, Hancock, etc) and not everyone who was a pirate came with the intention to save him (Crocodile, Mr.1, Buggy & Mr.3 initially, etc) but it all worked together really well regardless because they had their own reasons for being there because of all of the other big names that were there to actually save Ace. Luffy wouldn’t have been able to rally that many people together to save one of his crew outside of those on Impel down, but even that’s a stretch because if Ace wasn’t captured and sentenced to public execution, Jimbe wouldn’t have resigned his title as warlord and end up imprisoned in retaliation, Whitebeard wouldn’t have shown up to save Ace and therefore Crocodile would have little reason to even assist Luffy in the first place because he wouldn’t get the opportunity to kill Whitebeard. Even with Ace as his brother what guarantee would there have been that the entire Whitebeard pirate’s fleet would have cared to that extent? On top of that, none of the commanders except for Ace have any connection to ANY of the Strawhats so whatever sense of sentiment that was present would’ve been completely void. Haki is a plot hole in itself but it doesn’t deter from the themes, drama and symbolism that was portrayed during Impel down and Marineford.
Honestly, they just need to be organized, they can be messy like in battle like shit being pulled out every now and then. Although they shouldn’t be long as hell, they shouldn’t take like 10 years, in JJK they handle the Shibuya incident pretty well which is the beginning of a war arc And if it’s gonna be a war arc, KILL OF SOME OF THE CAST, ITS WAR. ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA DIE. Some characters get ass pulls and just live with little context even with context it’s a asspull
@@mumenrider1908 My anti soul damage technique I haven’t used since the Heian era is essentially most of chapter 252 (edit: it autocorrected to Harrison era)
@@SpareMango when the cast is about to kill Sukuna, he just goes "ah yes the [ASSPULL] i haven't used since the Heian era", just let Kenjaku's nuke fire off already so we can move on to the next plot point
@@The_Emperor823 OMG a character who's been around for 1000 years and has been shown to have more then one technique has a answer for a lot of the characters powers. This is bad criticism, this is the guy who has been hyped up as the main villian, if he didn't have the level of performance then it wouldn't feel earned to beat gojo or when they finally beat sukuna
Attack on Titan was War Arc after War Arc though. War Within the Walls to get Historia on the throne, War to Reclaim Shiganshina, War against Marley, Then the Rumbling. By that logic you may as well blame Endless Gundam Wars of being guilty of this trope. Bleach's Arrancar Arc was supposed to be a war as well although it ended up being a 1-sided slaughter until Aizen actually fought. I'm thinking of having a War Arc in my Shojo Series as the villains start a World War to feed the Big Bad with sweet suffering.The War Arc isn't supposed to be an epic struggle to eliminate the other side in this case it's merely something to be stopped & the villains are just in the way. End Game Saga in the series I'm making is probably closer to the traditional end of series war arc, although even then you aren't exactly my intended audience.
I don't know anything about your series, really, but more like a war it sounds more like a massacre and you shouldn't treat it like a war. A war is better to treat it like the wars that have happened in real life, because a war with such a blank purpose of just suffering it's just full of insatisfaction, like there's no meaning to start it, a war can't be stopped, you can just win it or lose it, unless both sides makes a peace sign. But that's how real wars are and even though I understand that fiction is not meant to be reality in every way, a War arc is so difficult to pull off. If your characters say it's war it's okay, but as I see it, you should treat it as a massacre that needs to be stopped instead of a war.
@@tutiofrijol8466 The Ultimate Villain of my series is a god that feasts on the suffering of countless worlds. The idea is for the heroes to make all sides surrender after they were manipulated into declaring war on each other. Maybe it would be easier to explain the structure of such an arc with characters you are more familiar with? For a hypothetical suppose Lex Luthor started a world war to profit off of weapon sales then Justice League had to stop that war while a bunch of villains were taking advantage of the chaos as well. You would naturally see heroes smashing tanks & demanding surrenders. Does this reasoning make sense?
Gonna go ahead and comment about One Piece. To be fair, you did say "War Arcs" not "Final Wars". So it's free game. Marineford was great even though it was only a prelude to the real War. I think it's worth talking about just because it's a great example on how Wars can be properly executed in battle manga. It was well built up to from early on and Oda took his time setting up every character involved and managed to concluded all of the plot threads, themes, and character arcs in a satisfying way. The Final War in One Piece is also just getting started and so far it's off to an incredible start. Things are shaping up to be even better than Marineford. Oda said he wants to draw the best War Arc in manga so it may change the conversation on this topic somewhat.
Marineford did get some flack back it the day, especially for the Infamous Luffy running up the stairs. Whoever you can't really call it a war to be honest but more like a skirmish and the get out of there. Whoever One piece do have many wannabe "war" arcs which drags the show down because of the length and tedious stuff.
@@pieperson444 Wano Act 3 I don't count as a war arc in the least. It's more of a raid. Hence "The raid of Onigashima" not "the war of/on Onigashima." but it really is quite cluttered but it does do better than say MHA.
@@WieldMyWord What stairs, lol. And the only problem really would be the anime for pacing and dragging. The manga was pretty straight forward and Marineford *IS* a war arc. Characters have literally called it that. Skirmishes *can be* wars.
I can see what he means but me personally i don't mind war arcs that are consistent with it's series or add more history and lore to an established world like bleach maybe one piece as well idk
Saying that there is no set up is extremely disingenuous, like todofam plotline has been built since the sports festival, shigaraki and deku since the 20th chapter, toga and ochako since the camp arc etc etc
y'all are just making up stuff I never said now lmfao. Toga ochako, shigaraki deku, todoroki family is a very very VERY tiny part of all of the things that have happened in the war arc
Bruh, this video is a prime example media illiteracy. I'm usually pretty tame in youtube comment sections but this dude's ability to understand what is happening in MHA is nonexistent.
This ninja just claimed that Naruto invented War Arcs and everybody afterwards was copying. You cannot be THAT much of a narutard dude. lmao. The trope of "everybody we met along the way coming together for the final battle" is one of the oldest tropes in storytelling period. Thats not even a shounen specific thing and even if it was One Piece did a War Arc first before Naruto did. Didn't Bleach's War Arc end before Naruto's as well? lol.
The My Hero Academia takes are the only thing I incredibly disagree with, hating on the author bring back characters makes complete sense 😭 if he didn't there'd be so many questions as to where they are, and the characters themselves aren't bad or unnecessary in 99% of cases. Also the general hate on MHA in this video is kinda getting old im still waiting for someone to bring up something actually applicable to the series, other than the lack of character deaths. And saying the side characters are underdeveloped? Bakugo, Shoto, Hawks, All Might, Eraserhead, Uraraka, literally all of the villains, even fucking Gentle Criminal, and ESPECIALLY Endeavour and Deku are all incredibly well developed. It's impossible to ask the author to FULLY flesh out every single character in the show since the world he's created is so big. I don't mind the hate but not when it's just unnecessary wave riding 😭 Other than that great video essay, enjoyed the editing
Yeah, I agree. Like, I feel like this guy just has a _VERY_ unnecessarily big hate boner for MHA. He also sounded _SO_ pretentious throughout his _entire_ video, as if he thinks _his_ viewpoint on how to write war arcs in stories is the _only correct_ one. I mean like, _check your privelage,_ dude!! 😤😮💨. Sorry for the rant, LOL. 😅.
i kinda disagree with the eren bit at the end that hes just wants to see the outside, its been hinted that eren would go to extreme lengths in safety of his friends tho i do agree i wish we saw more of him to add to the emotional weight of the fight
7 godly superpowers? None of the OFA users quirks are even that great on their own. I agree the pacing is bad, and the characters randomly coming in ruins the moments a bit, but it seems like you already don't like My Hero Academia as is. So I'm not really gonna treat this as seriously. Nice video, and I could speak about the AOT and Naruto sections, but that'd be too much to type.
If they set up that there were other quirks that transfer early on it would be fine. In fact it would make the show 1,000x better if the entire time he had to learn to control new quirks and use them in new ways instead of just figuring out a slightly different way to punch or kick. It was clearly a retcon. I don't like MHA but I've been reading it since the start nearly 10 years ago and I used to a long time ago. I really liked the villains getting their own arcs but it quickly went downhill when the heroes came back. Thank you for the support! I appreciate how calm and fair the feedback was too.
I feel the Mha part of this video was really disingenuous; regardless of how well it was executed, saying there was no build-up for the stuff prior is just flat out wrong. As early as the sports festival, it was already established that Ofa had vestiges of power by helping save Midoyria from Shinzou's mind washing; and when Ofa is supposed to be a power passed down by so many quirk users, it's unrealistic to expect Deku to only have super strength. Deku not utilizing his legs for combat also makes perfect sense, considering his idol mainly fought by punching, and he was under the impression he could keep spamming 100 percent smashes if he was in a pinch (while still being able to move with his legs). I will admit, maybe the wars' been dragging on for a bit long as you said, but I'd rather have Horikoshi make the story he wants than be forced to rush due to deadlines. Yes, the cast is big, but I think to fully explore something so broad as herosim, you need a larger cast. I'm not saying you have to like it because I can definitely understand why you wouldn't; but that doesn't mean it's bad, and not nearly the worst war arc in shonen.
The thing is, Horikoshi hasn't been making the story he wants for a while; criticisms as early as the Overhaul arc seems to have led to this state we're in now, where he just wants the story over with instead of maintaining focus on, say, the female heroes like he did at the start.
@jackreacher7495 I'd argue the female characters have still gotten a good amount of love to them, even if they're a bit overshadowed by the male cast. Ochako vs. Toga is regarded as one of the best battle this arc, if not the series, and Ochako contributions to that fight definitely saved the Heros from being overwhelmed by the army of Twices. Nagant is very well written, Mt Lady's development is one of the best in the series, and Momo, Mirko, and Jirou have consistently put in work in both wars (Jirou was pivotal during the music festival, too) Yea, I do think some things have been rushed like Spinner vs Shoji, but the pay off for Shouto and his family, Bakugo, Toga Ochako, etc. have all been fantastic.
@@slush7113 It's less about contributions for me, and moreso about the emotional investment the narrative has in them NOW versus at the start. Remember when we actually got inside Momo's head? Or Ochako had a fight that had next to nothing to do with Deku and their relationship? That's what pains me - clearly, Horikoshi wanted to make these girls characters as relevant and fleshed-out as the main boys, but - of course, Japan being Japan - that was as unpopular as it always is; young male demographics don't like seeing complex women, or women being more competent/stronger in a fight than a men. At least, that's the impression I get from battle shounen
@@jackreacher7495Dude, female characters were more important in this arc than in almost any war arc, why are you lying? mirko, nagant, ochako, jiro, camie, mt. lady etc etc
I’m an aspiring author this video was not only helpful but a little educational and gave me a lot of tips, guidance and good ideas to add to my books and their chapters/volumes. Thanks again and please do make more in the future !
True, I agree overall. I think one of the issues plaguing a lot of these mangas is the fact that it's on a deadline. We can criticize it and say how it should have been a lot easier because it's from an outside perspective, but it's probably hell having to write, storyboard and draw all of it in one week for years. Compare that to novels which usually don't have a deadline in comparison and they're a lot more tightknit I'd say.
some people like war arcs because they just wanna see people fight with cool effects and how hard people can punch and im one of the people who just wants to see fights
I don’t really get the criticism for the MHA Final War Arc having so many characters participating. Not everyone’s favorite characters are Midoriya and Bakugou, and since the series is wrapping up it’ll probably be the last time most of these other characters show up, and I think giving them a little sendoff is nice. Although it would definitely have been better to establish them earlier. To me it felt like Horikoshi was slowly going through Class 1-A and giving them small character arcs (Kirishima, Iida, Jiro) before just tossing it and moving straight to the end.
Never disagreed more with a video😂 I think u personally just don’t like war arcs. I love them . It’s like saying tournament arcs are bad. Its war arcs are a stable of the genre at this point.what u complain about is not a bad trope it’s just cherries picked poor writing . A lot of shonen suffer more poorly writing because of deadlines and how long running they are. That’s the real problem . And stop being an npc and hating on MHA it fell off but the first seasons were gas everyone forgets that
Imagine being a jojo fan, happy this kinda shit doesn’t happen in the manga because the story resets every 100-150 chapters, with the final battle maybe taking up less than 10-20% of the story, and then jojolion happened. While we may never know shonen pain, Jojolion’s final fight takes 2 years approximately between chapter 80 and 109 of the 110 chapter long manga. A mystery story. That releases chapters in months. Fuck.
war arcs exist as the end of a build up that lasted the entire anime. I can make a pass for Demon slayer as they had 3 of the upper moons being killed, an entire training arc, and then the war arc, which lasts 70 chapters. The reason it is so long is because they have to allow all the fightscenes, as well as the flashbacks because ds sure loves doing those
The AOT ending was perfect and just added to eren's character, just because eren doesn't speak throughout the last arc doesn't mean it is bad, him choosing his own people over the entire world and him suffering alone was something that is a masterful storytelling and should be appreciated more,otherwise I do agree on most series have war arcs that are absolute shit.
AOT’s ending was NOT perfect. Eren didn’t even choose his people, he chose his FRIENDS, he didn’t give a fuck about the rest of Eldia. Thats why they got bombed.
1) Your point on us not getting Eren's point of view in the fight is a bad take tbh. Eren's mind when he got the founding titan was a jumbled mess of memories from the future and past. It wouldn't make sense logically to display it, and it would take away from the final mystery box of the show, which is Eren Yeager himself. 2) Also your take on them fighting mindless titans is unfounded because why wouldn't you critcize the entirety of season 1 and 2 then? You can still make a fight interesting when your opponent is a mindless monster. In season 1 we wanted to know what the titans truly were, and the characters had interesting arcs facing them, just like in this final battle it's kind of a cool full circle moment, the characters are fighting mindless titans again, only this time they want to know who Eren Yeager and Ymir truly are. besides that cool video all in all tho, i agreed with your points on Naruto and MHA
All this shit and you didn't flame the culling games arc of jujutsu for 30min? I know it's not exactly a "war arc" but for all intentions it really is. And such a bad one at that.
A big war/battle to end an epic action/fantasy work is common. Shonen isn't the only one to do that. Look at Marvel with the avengers, the lord of the rings, game of thrones, the wheel of time, Harry Potter,... So the idea of the war arc isn't bad it's the execution that matters. Of course, for mha so far, with the weekly perspective it's a disaster, so maybe when it will be finished, with a few step back it will be more digest. Naruto war arc wasn't bad at all. Only the Kaguya part sucks. I mean thematically it was well written. Naruto Theme was the cycle of hatred. And we saw how the multiples war in Naruto fueled this cycle. So having all the ninja nation coming together as one in order to face a common threat in a big epic war so that at the end of the day , the cycle of hatred will be broken, it's a good idea. For jjk, I don't even know why you talked about it. The culling game wasn't the final arc of the manga and it wasn't a war. It was a big royal rumble free for all. So of course fights can be interrupted at any time by the arrival of a New characters. That's the whole concept of the culling game. As for characters development in jjk, I think it handled pretty well. Not all characters get treated well but most of them got it right. I hated the final arc of attack on titan not because of the war but because of the treatment of some characters that made no sense according to me.
To me it's very much like the structure of Lord of the Rings. Group of misfits, power of friendship, magical stuff and getting stronger and then war arc to defeat evil and bring back the peace
JJK fell off. Now its just Sukuna fighting background characters every week. At this point im waiting for Itachi or All Might to show up and fight him tbh
facts that was lame asf why crying for mikasa and his future man is just fking bulshit eren never saw mikasa like that and even if he really love her why da fucc you would think in love when you are bou to kill the world?
@@ntnt_pA cuck who wants his step sister’s love. Pre “10 Years later” Cuckren, Eren actually was goated and showed his humanity when he cried to the child that he can’t stop what he’s going to do in the future.
Honestly I don't get why you'd lie about there being no set up for the war arc because My Hero Academia is a story that's been running for 10 years now and has been building up to a major conflict between hero and villains since Allmighty's battle with All for one, literally the whole story since the stuff with Stain has focused upon how hero society shifts and how hero society affected both the heros and villains leading up to the war And most of what you said about black clover is bullshit tbh
Oh my god… Lord… give me mercy… and give this man a dictionary. LORD! I BEG YOU!!! please let My Hero Fans learn what war means!!! Please lord give the MHA fans half a brain!!!
Actually One piece started the war arc and became massively popular because of it and then naruto tired to end the series with war arc and then that lead to other following it but i cant say they follow it because battle shounen where fate of the nations are on line war arc is eminent. Its all about execution.
@@jibes2239 no it did not bruh ill be respectful but in my opinion this show had each arc be better than the last and its peak is in the current arc rn in the manga
Honestly it makes sense for MHA ever since the Paramount liberation were introduced and Shigaraki swooped in to become their leader which gave him a lot of resources and makes sense for the plot and scale Also the training Arcs make Deku powers set a lot more interesting and diverse in my opinion
I've grown exhausted by tournament and war arcs. When an it's an action show with fighting and a subplot, I'm set. When it's every character fighting, watching fighting, or waiting to fight, I get so bored!
Anime war arcs are stupid. 99% of the time it’s not even a military conflict. I can literally count on one hand the times an actual war is shown. Attack on Titan Code GEASS and funny enough, One Piece nails it EDIT: forgot FMA exists, yeah they get it right too love that show for that
@@matsalleh1340that wasn’t a war arc, nor a vigilante arc, nor a traitor arc. Felt wanted to protect those he cared about because he found out he was being hunted, so he decided to fly solo with only the help of his closest mentors. That’s not being traitorous, not vigilantism, nor a war.
@@SpareMango I did and fire force is literally unbearable, I fail to find it as a sign of good writing, more like a sign of... ugh... a unique sense of taste?
I also said fire force is kinda mid, I think I even said the ending was rough and had unresolved threads, I mainly was referencing how the entire manga built up to it and it was over fast in 50-60 chapters (MHA is at 198 and naruto was like 184)
I think Naruto's war arc was quite decent, and taking separate sections as separate arcs, some of them can be in the higher rankings of the Naruto arcs. Kishimoto had already built up to a lot of what was to come in the arc and Naruto & Madara's entry made the arc quite engaging, the anime obviously did butcher a lot with the pacing and fillers, I'm pretty sure they made up a portion of Gai's backstory, which was less than 10 pages with a beautiful transition of his POV seeing his father and the next page him unlocking it. It, like anything had it's flaws. The initial war was probably forgetable for people, especially watching the anime and the Kaguya retcon which was so blatantly a way to create a sequel, though I think Kishimoto was able to execute it in an okay manner with what all he had, considering this was a terrible idea. And in the end, the valley of the end, which was a great ending to the story and the franchise. Until obviously they made a sequel.
It was rushed shonan wanted kishimoto to end at chapter 700 and kishimoto was burn out as well because working in the weekly manga for 15 years and he said he had to cut a lot of things to meet the deadline
This has to be the most reductive and least accurate take on MHA I’ve ever seen. The entire thing was built up for the war. 😂 bro didn’t actually read the series and didn’t want to see the best parts of the series so far. Now, I will agree there are moments where it was bad. But to say what you said, can only come from ignorance. It’s one things to not care about what’s going on in a series, but it’s another to misrepresent those things just because you dislike it. Do better.
Lmaooo it's funny I get comments like these when I just restated what happens in the manga and applied the most common criticism of the series that everyone has to it A few good parts of the war arc don't make up for how much of an absolute slog 70+% of it is lol
Well, the 70 chapters of Demon Slayer are not technically one fight, there are like 8-10 major fights which is why it's a "War Arc". Hot take: The Paranormal Liberation War is an amazing war arc. It had alot of buildups, the conclusion was good and the aftermath of the war (Dark Hero Arc) was just a great piece of writing, the only issue really is that barely anyone died in that "war", but it was still good. Attack On Titan's final war and ending is also really good.
i believe the mangakas and editors prioritize weekly ratings over character developement, hence war arcs are so appealing since any and all characters can be brought back and people eat it up.
And how much the character is popular if the character is too popular they won't allow you to kill did you know that kishimoto actually wanted to kill neji and they others in the sasuke rescue arc but they forced him to keep them alive
@@ayhamahmad2277 okay that is new info for me, but i did know that kishimoto wanted to kill either neji or kiba for the war arc, if kiba died, naruto wouldve married sakura instead, but kishimoto decided to kill off neji so naruto married hinata.
@@solidsnake8480 Naruto was supposed to end with sakura they have more screen time and moments than hinata hinata barely exists in the manga the only reason she ended with Naruto because she was popular character because of fillers the studio love her so much that they give her more moments in fillers and they hate sakura so much that they cut her dielog and moments in the manga they probably forced kishimoto to change
@@ayhamahmad2277 a few weeks ago i left a comment on the naruto subreddit saying something along the lines of "Maturity is realising that Naruhina had zero chemistry" lmao, but yea sakura was shelved mostly due to fans hating on her, studio pierrot only responded to the fans since their view of sakura was marred by what a piece of shit she was back in the early days, something kishimoto tried to rectify. atleast Naruto the Last tried to make Naruhina work so i can respect that.
@@solidsnake8480 kishimoto wasn't involved with the movie just read the manga and you well see the difference in the anime they cut a lot of her dielog and moments in the manga
I had left a comment that I've since deleted, because I felt like I was too hostile and uncharitable. I think I might try to formulate my ideas differently and leave them in a different comment. I just put this one out here in case you see it to say that I'm sorry for coming in hot like that.
It's definitely rough (I think I mentioned that in the video) but the overall structure pacing and plot was good, mainly that it was very strongly built up to and earned yet also brief, which were the main points.
Videos that make you want to read fire force (i love hearing thoughts from people who actually enjoy seeing meaningful character and story development & can consistently trust your recommendations)
I was wondering where you've been lol, I still have that video idea you asked for a while ago. It's gonna be amazing, I just need to go full time with yt first so I can find time to dedicate to it Thank you so much for the support as always🙏🙏
@@SpareMango best of luck. Going full time with this sort of thing is a really difficult step. As a fellow creative who struggles with "need to be productive or what am i even alive for" syndrome- don't burn yourself out!! Am looking forward to the vid for sure 🔥🔥
Kinda agreedd. Do you count chimera ant as war arc,tho? Because it is pinnacle of war arc. Again, series like HxH and Mob psyco 100 are what makes shonen genre still worth it. MP100 had massive fight in s2 but it ended with a proper pay off in s3.
I disagree with all of the Mha hate. I agree that the final war arc definitely fell off but saying that the stain arc and the tournament arc are bad is just hating. Not to mention that you completely missed over 2 of MHA's best arcs the overhaul arc and dark hero arc.
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Suprsied to see tybw not being mentioned here. Its a peak arc just the ending needs to be fixed in anime , its expanding a lot on the world and lore , karakura is a another good war arc but also has too many fights witg the highest highs
I think 86 was one of the only shows I've seen pull it off well, and only because the main characters weren't overly pivotal in the war, and the war didn't begin during the show and didn't end either. They portrayed war from the perspective of the soldiers really well imo
I sorta enjoyed Fire Force because I honestly didn't give a damn about the fanservice character, didn't know other people see it as 7/10, id probably give it an 8 for likeable characters, story, power system and the like, maybe an 8.5 from the brownie points of making a real War Arc, but everyone is entitled to have their own opinion 👍
@@TheHolyM249for an manga with a great story that makes you want to know more about the world likeable characters legendary fights that don’t last 20 episodes but no just because of fanservice it’s bad it’s so crazy that they act like it’s the only anime with fan service
@@TheHolyM249also hottake fights lasting like 5 minutes -1 episodes are better than fights lasting 2 or more episodes 1-2 episodes are for fights who are really good but for me the best ones are the short ones AYO
Interesting that Fire Force is used as an example of a good shounen here. While here i am dropping the anime because i realized it had a sht ton of issues
Fairy tail final season was a disappointment 😞 like really my characters and there potential was wasted (10great wizard sains) and the power scaling 😅let's not talk about that but still exited about 100 year quest No doubt it's the most nostalgic anime 😊
If the editor allow them to do that the mangaga doesn't have freedom to control the story if the character is too popular they won't allow it to die did you know that kishimoto wanted to Neij and the others in the sasuke rescue arc but they forced him to keep them alive
Wait, is the thumbnail true? Naruto's war arc lasted for 300 chapters? It felt so much shorter *quick googling* okay, all that I can find is in the anime it lasted for over 200 episodes, including the filler episodes, but the most I see from the manga is it lasted 80 chapters (which, if it's true, it's an alarming difference between chapters and episode & certainly didn't help much in their defense about milking Naruto too much)
Exaggeration, but the war arc is from chapter 516 to 700. Mha's is just about 200 now, thumbnail is mostly for dramatic effect to get the point across that they go on way too long.
Why stick the moedecai x rigby in??? Sjajajsjs (i realise wAs a random gag to draw attention for people to comment on it, drawing interactions from comments. I have fallen for your tricks)
Black clover is far superior in writing to me, if it had the animation and music that mha got, it would be no question which is objectively better. No hate to mha though.
I hate war arcs even more because shit like Third shinobi world war from Naruto and Fake karakura town arc from Bleach gave me a fatigue that I can't get rid of for years. I've end up dropping Mob Psycho 100 on World domination arc just because of this fatigue that I've get every time I see some of this shit in anime.
13:37 so few💀? I can list multiple fights in the show that were interrupted or cut short. Mahito fled from nanami and yuji Gojo blicked Hanami I mean dude like u even show that there when u make this point. And dint get me started on shibuya Toji fushigoro of all people came back while the beast dude was fighting the two boys and the old lady Toji 3rd partied in megumi, old dudes, maki, and nanami’s fight with dagon Toji somehow just realizes megumi is is son and commits senpoku Jogo comes out of no where and murks old dude, and badly injures maki and nanami out of no where and iirc they were also finna deal with toji. Sukuna and jogo interrupt the fight that would’ve happened proper with panda and higuruma with the two geto glazers Sukuna popped in during the fucking blood bath that r been mahoraga vs haruta Nanami treats haruta like the bitch he is after he was finna pack nobara and before that he wasnt involved in their fight iirc And don’t get me started on fuckin yuji and todo vs mahito. While some of these interruptions were good for the plot they still happen nonetheless which contradicts with ur point here. I mean my god if u r going to make this point at least put more care into the clips u use i mean my god, the clip wasn’t even in the middle of the fight. Gojo just violated Hanami. Also u mention here people running ones. Have u not even seen the show. Did u just see one clip of the show and then call it day and then just het another clip for the video. Like jjk is filled with jumpings while there are fades that are ran one on one. A good portion of the fights are jumpings. Thats why the fanbase even call it jumpjutsu kaisen.
Never said every single fight is a long one on one brawl lol tf I said it has a lot of those fights and they're good examples for how other series should format fights Never once mentioned anything about cutting fights short, 1/2 of your comment is unrelated to anything I said in the video lol. In 1/2 of the interrupted fights the fights were basically over.
They give my boy deku the lesbian special 😂😭😭
LLMFAOOOOOOOO they chopped him
That's why your barber doesn't have to have Parkinson.
They gave him the tumbler
Fr😭😭😭😭
Lesbian special?
i hope rent a girlfriend ends on a war arc
Hopefully 🙏🙏🙏
@@Blaiyak168fresh ahh reply
Thank God it already has ended though
@@Ciorno2Kfr 🤨please be fr
@@Deathisnearsoscream the manga has anime has not though but somehow the authors newest work is even worse went from incel simp to incest fantasy
Attack on Titan is literally a military story. They can definitely have a war arc as an ending
Not only that, but war is used as a tool to showcase the theme of cycle of violence in the story.
The problem with many war arcs is that they're either put there just for the sake of putting it there because big war is common way to demonstrate that the story is reaching it's conclusion or that they're too long.
AoT doesn't have that problem because the final arc is 49 chapters long whereas in Naruto the final war arc is 186 chapters.
This guy wanted aot to end on a therapy session or an intervention. Which the characters had with each other, the rumbling was the only way. Besides there is soo much emotion in the final arc
That “war arc” completely removed Eren from the story. We don’t get anything from him his point of view until like the last 2/3 chapters.
@angelbedolla347
Perhaps the story being told from Eren's POV was simply done. We changed locations completely.
It doesn't need to be continuation of the character you already know. The story went beyond Eren once we learned that there was a whole world outside of Paradis.
After that, there was a shift and Eren stopped being the protagonist, and he became the main antagonist instead.
@@VixxKong2I think the main issue is that we not only changed POV, by the final arc we get no input from Eren along the final fight, it’s only when it’s all already over and he has his mental breakdown that we get his input again.
The OP takes issue with the story in terms of how the whole resolution is done by fighting what’s basically meat puppets while Eren goes without being able to say a word pretty much the whole fight
bro tried to sneak in rigby and mordicai fanfict and thought we wouldnt notice
I wanted y'all to notice
@@SpareMangojust for that im subbing
I'll just assume that the complete lack of Bleach means it's considered a perfect war arc, and nothing more needs be said
I still prefer the lost agent arc but I still think it's good
Nah it was doodoo butter for me.
@@ethanleongsem7582I considered that arc good until after Ichigo and the squad get finished training with Squad Zero
Then it alllllll went downhill pretty damn fast
@@neinja66469Author was rushed pretty badly by his editors, he was on a strict time limit, can’t blame him.
@@ElderBaguettethat doesn’t add up something to the arc
Other than the arc at the end of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, I don’t think I enjoy any other war arcs
Read kingdom. Also I think return to sheganshina is a considered a war arc. It's pretty peak
Also Marine ford (manga)
@@xandex69 Return to Shiganshina was good, but I thought Bertholdt and Reiner side of the fight wasn't the best. The tactics/decisions made on both sides were kinda forced to me; like Reiner trying to solo the Scout Regiment, the Colossal suddenly being a nuke, Armin's plan succeeding because Bertholdt decided "making it quick" was burning him to a crisp instead of just stopping the steam to splat him.
I'm not saying it wouldn't been better if it addressed these things, my issue is how staged and dramatized and forced half the battle felt. Even the way Hange came at the precise moment she needed to - that kinda stuff happening all at once at such a pivotal battle is fine by me, but not peak.
@@xandex69 The issue with the Marineford is that it got a lot of plotholes, since that stuff makes zero sense given modern context of the manga. The fact that no one used armament haki in that war is very telling how "planned" out the story of One piece is. Also Ace's death is very overrated considering that character was a mere cameo character we barely knew at the time before it spammed flashbacks in the post-war arc which is cheap, if it actually was a crew member that died then it would have been more impactful.
@@WieldMyWord I think you’re heavily underestimating the importance of Marineford.
If Ace was a nobody who had no bonds or relationships to any other characters outside of Luffy and Garp, what unfolded at Marineford wouldn’t have ever happened.
Even if a crewmate were captured and to be executed, what unfolded at Marineford still wouldn’t have even happened and its significance wouldn’t even mean remotely as much. There’s no guarantee that they’d even bother executing any of the Strawhats at Marineford except for Robin, which would’ve been redundant. Ace was set to be publicly executed for a different reason entirely.
Ace’s death was a tragedy to not only Luffy but many others. It was also a great display the series’s world building between the Pirates, Marines, Warlords, Admirals, and Emperors. Not everyone who was a warlord or marine wanted Ace dead (Garp, Koby, Helmeppo, Jimbe, Hancock, etc) and not everyone who was a pirate came with the intention to save him (Crocodile, Mr.1, Buggy & Mr.3 initially, etc) but it all worked together really well regardless because they had their own reasons for being there because of all of the other big names that were there to actually save Ace.
Luffy wouldn’t have been able to rally that many people together to save one of his crew outside of those on Impel down, but even that’s a stretch because if Ace wasn’t captured and sentenced to public execution, Jimbe wouldn’t have resigned his title as warlord and end up imprisoned in retaliation, Whitebeard wouldn’t have shown up to save Ace and therefore Crocodile would have little reason to even assist Luffy in the first place because he wouldn’t get the opportunity to kill Whitebeard. Even with Ace as his brother what guarantee would there have been that the entire Whitebeard pirate’s fleet would have cared to that extent? On top of that, none of the commanders except for Ace have any connection to ANY of the Strawhats so whatever sense of sentiment that was present would’ve been completely void.
Haki is a plot hole in itself but it doesn’t deter from the themes, drama and symbolism that was portrayed during Impel down and Marineford.
the worst part of war arcs is introducing new characters that we don't care about and force us to watch them do stuff
Lmao fr. "Here's this guy that I made up to do stuff other characters can't do because I feel like it".
Honestly, they just need to be organized, they can be messy like in battle like shit being pulled out every now and then.
Although they shouldn’t be long as hell, they shouldn’t take like 10 years, in JJK they handle the Shibuya incident pretty well which is the beginning of a war arc
And if it’s gonna be a war arc, KILL OF SOME OF THE CAST, ITS WAR. ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA DIE.
Some characters get ass pulls and just live with little context even with context it’s a asspull
MHA and JJK having generational asspulls every chapter lol
@@SpareMango As a JJK fan I agree, Sukuna has too many asspulls, Gege is glazing him too wildly.
@@mumenrider1908 My anti soul damage technique I haven’t used since the Heian era is essentially most of chapter 252 (edit: it autocorrected to Harrison era)
@@SpareMango when the cast is about to kill Sukuna, he just goes "ah yes the [ASSPULL] i haven't used since the Heian era", just let Kenjaku's nuke fire off already so we can move on to the next plot point
@@The_Emperor823 OMG a character who's been around for 1000 years and has been shown to have more then one technique has a answer for a lot of the characters powers. This is bad criticism, this is the guy who has been hyped up as the main villian, if he didn't have the level of performance then it wouldn't feel earned to beat gojo or when they finally beat sukuna
Attack on Titan was War Arc after War Arc though. War Within the Walls to get Historia on the throne, War to Reclaim Shiganshina, War against Marley, Then the Rumbling. By that logic you may as well blame Endless Gundam Wars of being guilty of this trope. Bleach's Arrancar Arc was supposed to be a war as well although it ended up being a 1-sided slaughter until Aizen actually fought.
I'm thinking of having a War Arc in my Shojo Series as the villains start a World War to feed the Big Bad with sweet suffering.The War Arc isn't supposed to be an epic struggle to eliminate the other side in this case it's merely something to be stopped & the villains are just in the way. End Game Saga in the series I'm making is probably closer to the traditional end of series war arc, although even then you aren't exactly my intended audience.
I don't know anything about your series, really, but more like a war it sounds more like a massacre and you shouldn't treat it like a war. A war is better to treat it like the wars that have happened in real life, because a war with such a blank purpose of just suffering it's just full of insatisfaction, like there's no meaning to start it, a war can't be stopped, you can just win it or lose it, unless both sides makes a peace sign. But that's how real wars are and even though I understand that fiction is not meant to be reality in every way, a War arc is so difficult to pull off. If your characters say it's war it's okay, but as I see it, you should treat it as a massacre that needs to be stopped instead of a war.
@@tutiofrijol8466 The Ultimate Villain of my series is a god that feasts on the suffering of countless worlds. The idea is for the heroes to make all sides surrender after they were manipulated into declaring war on each other. Maybe it would be easier to explain the structure of such an arc with characters you are more familiar with?
For a hypothetical suppose Lex Luthor started a world war to profit off of weapon sales then Justice League had to stop that war while a bunch of villains were taking advantage of the chaos as well. You would naturally see heroes smashing tanks & demanding surrenders. Does this reasoning make sense?
Yo the name of your series?
Gonna go ahead and comment about One Piece. To be fair, you did say "War Arcs" not "Final Wars". So it's free game. Marineford was great even though it was only a prelude to the real War. I think it's worth talking about just because it's a great example on how Wars can be properly executed in battle manga. It was well built up to from early on and Oda took his time setting up every character involved and managed to concluded all of the plot threads, themes, and character arcs in a satisfying way. The Final War in One Piece is also just getting started and so far it's off to an incredible start. Things are shaping up to be even better than Marineford. Oda said he wants to draw the best War Arc in manga so it may change the conversation on this topic somewhat.
wano act 3 meanwhile, is a very mixed bag
Marineford did get some flack back it the day, especially for the Infamous Luffy running up the stairs. Whoever you can't really call it a war to be honest but more like a skirmish and the get out of there. Whoever One piece do have many wannabe "war" arcs which drags the show down because of the length and tedious stuff.
The Final War arc for One Piece hasn't started in the least but Oda is building up and dare I say he has been building it up since Marineford.
@@pieperson444 Wano Act 3 I don't count as a war arc in the least. It's more of a raid. Hence "The raid of Onigashima" not "the war of/on Onigashima." but it really is quite cluttered but it does do better than say MHA.
@@WieldMyWord What stairs, lol. And the only problem really would be the anime for pacing and dragging. The manga was pretty straight forward and Marineford *IS* a war arc. Characters have literally called it that. Skirmishes *can be* wars.
I can see what he means but me personally i don't mind war arcs that are consistent with it's series or add more history and lore to an established world like bleach maybe one piece as well idk
That's basically what I said brother
@@SpareMango I appreciate that
belach war arc is even more trash bruh ichigo and his friends are inmortal they cant die
@@blacky8987 they aren't immortal but ok
I couldn't really put it into words, but this might explain why I often feel like recent shounen shit the bed in the end.
Saying that there is no set up is extremely disingenuous, like todofam plotline has been built since the sports festival, shigaraki and deku since the 20th chapter, toga and ochako since the camp arc etc etc
y'all are just making up stuff I never said now lmfao. Toga ochako, shigaraki deku, todoroki family is a very very VERY tiny part of all of the things that have happened in the war arc
Bruh, this video is a prime example media illiteracy. I'm usually pretty tame in youtube comment sections but this dude's ability to understand what is happening in MHA is nonexistent.
@@jasonthomas9729 Don't use "media illiteracy" ever again
@@Mr_Mistah lool
@@SpareMangoThose plotlines are literally like 2/3 of the entire arc what are you smoking lol
This ninja just claimed that Naruto invented War Arcs and everybody afterwards was copying. You cannot be THAT much of a narutard dude. lmao.
The trope of "everybody we met along the way coming together for the final battle" is one of the oldest tropes in storytelling period. Thats not even a shounen specific thing and even if it was One Piece did a War Arc first before Naruto did. Didn't Bleach's War Arc end before Naruto's as well? lol.
You are illiterate lol
@@SpareMangoYou're the one calling it the "Naruto effect" fam not me. lol.
Never said naruto invented war arcs lmfao you are illiterate and I criticized Naruto's ending multiple times
@@SpareMango@0:53 You straight up said that Naruto was the one that started the trend and everyone started copying it.
Invented is not remotely the same thing as popularizing a trend in the modern era
You are illiterate lol
devilman crybaby 100% had the best "war arc ending", aint no way somebody is going to tell me otherwise
not a shounen
@@cheralukiran kid devilman is the father of the shounen XD
@@blacky8987 OP was talking about devilman crybaby
War arc in devil man crybaby? Yeah and pigs can fly
4:55 Literally JJK. "Ah my (blank) technique I havents used this since the heian era"
I find so funny how much this meme is used when that literally never happened in the final arc
The My Hero Academia takes are the only thing I incredibly disagree with, hating on the author bring back characters makes complete sense 😭 if he didn't there'd be so many questions as to where they are, and the characters themselves aren't bad or unnecessary in 99% of cases. Also the general hate on MHA in this video is kinda getting old im still waiting for someone to bring up something actually applicable to the series, other than the lack of character deaths. And saying the side characters are underdeveloped? Bakugo, Shoto, Hawks, All Might, Eraserhead, Uraraka, literally all of the villains, even fucking Gentle Criminal, and ESPECIALLY Endeavour and Deku are all incredibly well developed. It's impossible to ask the author to FULLY flesh out every single character in the show since the world he's created is so big. I don't mind the hate but not when it's just unnecessary wave riding 😭
Other than that great video essay, enjoyed the editing
Yeah, I agree. Like, I feel like this guy just has a _VERY_ unnecessarily big hate boner for MHA. He also sounded _SO_ pretentious throughout his _entire_ video, as if he thinks _his_ viewpoint on how to write war arcs in stories is the _only correct_ one. I mean like, _check your privelage,_ dude!! 😤😮💨. Sorry for the rant, LOL. 😅.
Exactly, I'm really convinced that his main point on the MHA portion was to hate on MHA, especially since he called it trash at least 3-4 times.
@@gavrielbeard2345 Yeah!! I mean, like, what was up with that?!! XD.
My Hero Academia fans are retards for bringing up their stupid show in a WAR ARC video, search up what war means it’s not some stupid fist fight
i kinda disagree with the eren bit at the end that hes just wants to see the outside, its been hinted that eren would go to extreme lengths in safety of his friends tho i do agree i wish we saw more of him to add to the emotional weight of the fight
I was talking about his desire for freedom, his desire for the outside and desire to protect his friends both stem from an intense desire for freedom
7 godly superpowers? None of the OFA users quirks are even that great on their own. I agree the pacing is bad, and the characters randomly coming in ruins the moments a bit, but it seems like you already don't like My Hero Academia as is. So I'm not really gonna treat this as seriously.
Nice video, and I could speak about the AOT and Naruto sections, but that'd be too much to type.
If they set up that there were other quirks that transfer early on it would be fine. In fact it would make the show 1,000x better if the entire time he had to learn to control new quirks and use them in new ways instead of just figuring out a slightly different way to punch or kick.
It was clearly a retcon. I don't like MHA but I've been reading it since the start nearly 10 years ago and I used to a long time ago. I really liked the villains getting their own arcs but it quickly went downhill when the heroes came back.
Thank you for the support! I appreciate how calm and fair the feedback was too.
I'm really enjoying MHA's final arc. It might be one of few Shonen war arcs that I legitimately enjoy.
You enjoy main characters not dying in a war? 💀
@@DoctorRainer that's the only thing I dislike about the arc. Other than that, i enjoy it.
To each their own. I'm glad you enjoy it.
@@DoctorRainer final arc isnt the war arc
so you must be a 14 years old boy because you cant see it why that arc para super trash for real
I feel the Mha part of this video was really disingenuous; regardless of how well it was executed, saying there was no build-up for the stuff prior is just flat out wrong. As early as the sports festival, it was already established that Ofa had vestiges of power by helping save Midoyria from Shinzou's mind washing; and when Ofa is supposed to be a power passed down by so many quirk users, it's unrealistic to expect Deku to only have super strength. Deku not utilizing his legs for combat also makes perfect sense, considering his idol mainly fought by punching, and he was under the impression he could keep spamming 100 percent smashes if he was in a pinch (while still being able to move with his legs).
I will admit, maybe the wars' been dragging on for a bit long as you said, but I'd rather have Horikoshi make the story he wants than be forced to rush due to deadlines. Yes, the cast is big, but I think to fully explore something so broad as herosim, you need a larger cast. I'm not saying you have to like it because I can definitely understand why you wouldn't; but that doesn't mean it's bad, and not nearly the worst war arc in shonen.
The thing is, Horikoshi hasn't been making the story he wants for a while; criticisms as early as the Overhaul arc seems to have led to this state we're in now, where he just wants the story over with instead of maintaining focus on, say, the female heroes like he did at the start.
@jackreacher7495 I'd argue the female characters have still gotten a good amount of love to them, even if they're a bit overshadowed by the male cast. Ochako vs. Toga is regarded as one of the best battle this arc, if not the series, and Ochako contributions to that fight definitely saved the Heros from being overwhelmed by the army of Twices. Nagant is very well written, Mt Lady's development is one of the best in the series, and Momo, Mirko, and Jirou have consistently put in work in both wars (Jirou was pivotal during the music festival, too)
Yea, I do think some things have been rushed like Spinner vs Shoji, but the pay off for Shouto and his family, Bakugo, Toga Ochako, etc. have all been fantastic.
@@slush7113 It's less about contributions for me, and moreso about the emotional investment the narrative has in them NOW versus at the start. Remember when we actually got inside Momo's head? Or Ochako had a fight that had next to nothing to do with Deku and their relationship? That's what pains me - clearly, Horikoshi wanted to make these girls characters as relevant and fleshed-out as the main boys, but - of course, Japan being Japan - that was as unpopular as it always is; young male demographics don't like seeing complex women, or women being more competent/stronger in a fight than a men. At least, that's the impression I get from battle shounen
@@jackreacher7495Dude, female characters were more important in this arc than in almost any war arc, why are you lying? mirko, nagant, ochako, jiro, camie, mt. lady etc etc
@@matsalleh1340 You're too stupid to understand my criticism.
I’m an aspiring author this video was not only helpful but a little educational and gave me a lot of tips, guidance and good ideas to add to my books and their chapters/volumes. Thanks again and please do make more in the future !
So happy to hear this, I'm really glad I could help others out. Thank you!
True, I agree overall. I think one of the issues plaguing a lot of these mangas is the fact that it's on a deadline. We can criticize it and say how it should have been a lot easier because it's from an outside perspective, but it's probably hell having to write, storyboard and draw all of it in one week for years. Compare that to novels which usually don't have a deadline in comparison and they're a lot more tightknit I'd say.
im convinced he didnt watch attack on titan, there was a lot building up to the final arc and most of what he said is just nonsense 🤷
some people like war arcs because they just wanna see people fight with cool effects and how hard people can punch and im one of the people who just wants to see fights
very true
I don’t really get the criticism for the MHA Final War Arc having so many characters participating. Not everyone’s favorite characters are Midoriya and Bakugou, and since the series is wrapping up it’ll probably be the last time most of these other characters show up, and I think giving them a little sendoff is nice. Although it would definitely have been better to establish them earlier. To me it felt like Horikoshi was slowly going through Class 1-A and giving them small character arcs (Kirishima, Iida, Jiro) before just tossing it and moving straight to the end.
Never disagreed more with a video😂 I think u personally just don’t like war arcs. I love them . It’s like saying tournament arcs are bad. Its war arcs are a stable of the genre at this point.what u complain about is not a bad trope it’s just cherries picked poor writing . A lot of shonen suffer more poorly writing because of deadlines and how long running they are. That’s the real problem . And stop being an npc and hating on MHA it fell off but the first seasons were gas everyone forgets that
I agree that War arcs aren't necessarily bad of course since it's a writing device
Imagine being a jojo fan, happy this kinda shit doesn’t happen in the manga because the story resets every 100-150 chapters, with the final battle maybe taking up less than 10-20% of the story, and then jojolion happened.
While we may never know shonen pain, Jojolion’s final fight takes 2 years approximately between chapter 80 and 109 of the 110 chapter long manga. A mystery story. That releases chapters in months. Fuck.
Jojolion is trash lmaooo
Can't wait for part 10 to be a massive war arc with all villains and characters from all 9 parts
@@SpareMango what do you mean?
Please dear god no@@SpareMango
wdym what do I mean?
@@SpareMango why do you think its trash?
One Piece is a war arc itself
war arcs exist as the end of a build up that lasted the entire anime. I can make a pass for Demon slayer as they had 3 of the upper moons being killed, an entire training arc, and then the war arc, which lasts 70 chapters. The reason it is so long is because they have to allow all the fightscenes, as well as the flashbacks because ds sure loves doing those
The AOT ending was perfect and just added to eren's character, just because eren doesn't speak throughout the last arc doesn't mean it is bad, him choosing his own people over the entire world and him suffering alone was something that is a masterful storytelling and should be appreciated more,otherwise I do agree on most series have war arcs that are absolute shit.
AOT’s ending was NOT perfect. Eren didn’t even choose his people, he chose his FRIENDS, he didn’t give a fuck about the rest of Eldia. Thats why they got bombed.
1) Your point on us not getting Eren's point of view in the fight is a bad take tbh. Eren's mind when he got the founding titan was a jumbled mess of memories from the future and past. It wouldn't make sense logically to display it, and it would take away from the final mystery box of the show, which is Eren Yeager himself.
2) Also your take on them fighting mindless titans is unfounded because why wouldn't you critcize the entirety of season 1 and 2 then? You can still make a fight interesting when your opponent is a mindless monster. In season 1 we wanted to know what the titans truly were, and the characters had interesting arcs facing them, just like in this final battle it's kind of a cool full circle moment, the characters are fighting mindless titans again, only this time they want to know who Eren Yeager and Ymir truly are.
besides that cool video all in all tho, i agreed with your points on Naruto and MHA
Definition of reading comprehension check lmfao oml
All this shit and you didn't flame the culling games arc of jujutsu for 30min? I know it's not exactly a "war arc" but for all intentions it really is.
And such a bad one at that.
I should have
@@SpareMangobtw what do u think about chainsaw man ending
Or the other jojo parts ending
Chainsaw Man part 1 is great, the ending is amazing.
Most JoJo parts have great endings. Part 6 is the best.
@@SpareMango have u read jojolands recent chapters yet?
A big war/battle to end an epic action/fantasy work is common. Shonen isn't the only one to do that. Look at Marvel with the avengers, the lord of the rings, game of thrones, the wheel of time, Harry Potter,...
So the idea of the war arc isn't bad it's the execution that matters.
Of course, for mha so far, with the weekly perspective it's a disaster, so maybe when it will be finished, with a few step back it will be more digest.
Naruto war arc wasn't bad at all. Only the Kaguya part sucks. I mean thematically it was well written. Naruto Theme was the cycle of hatred. And we saw how the multiples war in Naruto fueled this cycle. So having all the ninja nation coming together as one in order to face a common threat in a big epic war so that at the end of the day , the cycle of hatred will be broken, it's a good idea.
For jjk, I don't even know why you talked about it. The culling game wasn't the final arc of the manga and it wasn't a war. It was a big royal rumble free for all. So of course fights can be interrupted at any time by the arrival of a New characters. That's the whole concept of the culling game.
As for characters development in jjk, I think it handled pretty well. Not all characters get treated well but most of them got it right.
I hated the final arc of attack on titan not because of the war but because of the treatment of some characters that made no sense according to me.
@@shimaphys No it wasn't
To me it's very much like the structure of Lord of the Rings. Group of misfits, power of friendship, magical stuff and getting stronger and then war arc to defeat evil and bring back the peace
JJK fell off. Now its just Sukuna fighting background characters every week. At this point im waiting for Itachi or All Might to show up and fight him tbh
Nvm, another mofo thinking erens dogshi breakdown made him more "human"
LMAOOOOOOOO
what is it supposed to make him...?
Facts bro.
facts that was lame asf why crying for mikasa and his future man is just fking bulshit eren never saw mikasa like that and even if he really love her why da fucc you would think in love when you are bou to kill the world?
@@ntnt_pA cuck who wants his step sister’s love. Pre “10 Years later” Cuckren, Eren actually was goated and showed his humanity when he cried to the child that he can’t stop what he’s going to do in the future.
War arcs only works if it's executed well with logical causes and effects
Why wanting to have a chatarsis battle in the war arc ? War is supposed to be gigantic, chaotic,life threatening.
Honestly I don't get why you'd lie about there being no set up for the war arc because My Hero Academia is a story that's been running for 10 years now and has been building up to a major conflict between hero and villains since Allmighty's battle with All for one, literally the whole story since the stuff with Stain has focused upon how hero society shifts and how hero society affected both the heros and villains leading up to the war
And most of what you said about black clover is bullshit tbh
Oh my god… Lord… give me mercy… and give this man a dictionary. LORD! I BEG YOU!!! please let My Hero Fans learn what war means!!! Please lord give the MHA fans half a brain!!!
I need more war arc like Code Geass.
the payoff was just french kiss
@@fan4every1lol89 😆
YUP Code Geass is actually an anime that understands what war means. It pisses me off that people put My Hero and JJK in the same category 😂😂
Actually One piece started the war arc and became massively popular because of it and then naruto tired to end the series with war arc and then that lead to other following it but i cant say they follow it because battle shounen where fate of the nations are on line war arc is eminent.
Its all about execution.
its also very common for battle shonen to have big scaling fights towards the end.
as a massive my hero academia fan (its my favorite anime ) i just want to say you are bias and nitpicking i win bye bye
Show peaked at overhaul arc
@@jibes2239 no it did not bruh ill be respectful but in my opinion this show had each arc be better than the last and its peak is in the current arc rn in the manga
Why is MHA being mentioned in a War Arc video? Cause that ain’t a war
Honestly it makes sense for MHA ever since the Paramount liberation were introduced and Shigaraki swooped in to become their leader which gave him a lot of resources and makes sense for the plot and scale
Also the training Arcs make Deku powers set a lot more interesting and diverse in my opinion
I've grown exhausted by tournament and war arcs. When an it's an action show with fighting and a subplot, I'm set. When it's every character fighting, watching fighting, or waiting to fight, I get so bored!
I was waiting for someone to adress this
Gintama's silver soul arc is my personal favourite war arc because it does so many great things that other ones don't
Even in cartoons this a trend since Gravity Falls Weirdmaggedon
Anime war arcs are stupid. 99% of the time it’s not even a military conflict. I can literally count on one hand the times an actual war is shown.
Attack on Titan
Code GEASS
and funny enough, One Piece nails it
EDIT: forgot FMA exists, yeah they get it right too love that show for that
broooooo i literally guessed Soul Eater instead of the one you spoke offfff i was so closeee 😭😂
They're basically the same
Magi did it best, a war arc in the middle of the series thats extremely short in comparison to its contemporaries
5 years? It's just been 2 years
It's comment bait
5 years 50 chapters year with breaks = 225ish max chapters
MHA is at 198 and going strong
@@SpareMango bro skipped dark hero and ua traitor arc
@@matsalleh1340that wasn’t a war arc, nor a vigilante arc, nor a traitor arc. Felt wanted to protect those he cared about because he found out he was being hunted, so he decided to fly solo with only the help of his closest mentors. That’s not being traitorous, not vigilantism, nor a war.
That is just a prelude to war. Nothing more. Nothing less
I love how I know the situation with Lia from Itzy and you just randomly bring that up, that caught me way off guard 😂
i disagree !AOT was good and i really enjoyed it
What the first war arc from mha was awesome?
If you call that a war then me taking a shit is a war too
I agree with the title but the content of the video........ fire force is worse than even one piece, what are you talking about...
I don't think you listened very closely
@@SpareMango I did and fire force is literally unbearable, I fail to find it as a sign of good writing, more like a sign of... ugh... a unique sense of taste?
I also said fire force is kinda mid, I think I even said the ending was rough and had unresolved threads, I mainly was referencing how the entire manga built up to it and it was over fast in 50-60 chapters (MHA is at 198 and naruto was like 184)
Mid piece is funny though LMFAOOOO
marineford is the best war arc in anime. no debate
1:43 i bet he felt really smart after saying it.
1:51
bro had to hit him with "i read the manga"
mha literally took like a year to finish a week long battle.
9.41k subscriber.
I think Naruto's war arc was quite decent, and taking separate sections as separate arcs, some of them can be in the higher rankings of the Naruto arcs.
Kishimoto had already built up to a lot of what was to come in the arc and Naruto & Madara's entry made the arc quite engaging, the anime obviously did butcher a lot with the pacing and fillers, I'm pretty sure they made up a portion of Gai's backstory, which was less than 10 pages with a beautiful transition of his POV seeing his father and the next page him unlocking it.
It, like anything had it's flaws. The initial war was probably forgetable for people, especially watching the anime and the Kaguya retcon which was so blatantly a way to create a sequel, though I think Kishimoto was able to execute it in an okay manner with what all he had, considering this was a terrible idea.
And in the end, the valley of the end, which was a great ending to the story and the franchise.
Until obviously they made a sequel.
It was rushed shonan wanted kishimoto to end at chapter 700 and kishimoto was burn out as well because working in the weekly manga for 15 years and he said he had to cut a lot of things to meet the deadline
@@ayhamahmad2277 it's funny how they want kishimoto to make a sequel but also have him end on a certain limited number
This has to be the most reductive and least accurate take on MHA I’ve ever seen. The entire thing was built up for the war. 😂 bro didn’t actually read the series and didn’t want to see the best parts of the series so far.
Now, I will agree there are moments where it was bad. But to say what you said, can only come from ignorance. It’s one things to not care about what’s going on in a series, but it’s another to misrepresent those things just because you dislike it. Do better.
Lmaooo it's funny I get comments like these when I just restated what happens in the manga and applied the most common criticism of the series that everyone has to it
A few good parts of the war arc don't make up for how much of an absolute slog 70+% of it is lol
Benimaru was so goated, "You guys really thought i was that weak"
Well, the 70 chapters of Demon Slayer are not technically one fight, there are like 8-10 major fights which is why it's a "War Arc".
Hot take: The Paranormal Liberation War is an amazing war arc. It had alot of buildups, the conclusion was good and the aftermath of the war (Dark Hero Arc) was just a great piece of writing, the only issue really is that barely anyone died in that "war", but it was still good. Attack On Titan's final war and ending is also really good.
Shibuya arc war is awesome too,my bro. Nice channel❤
Thanks g I appreciate it
Shibuya? War? Really? Do you know what a war is? Cause by your definition me taking a hot steamy shit is a war in itself too
i believe the mangakas and editors prioritize weekly ratings over character developement, hence war arcs are so appealing since any and all characters can be brought back and people eat it up.
And how much the character is popular if the character is too popular they won't allow you to kill did you know that kishimoto actually wanted to kill neji and they others in the sasuke rescue arc but they forced him to keep them alive
@@ayhamahmad2277 okay that is new info for me, but i did know that kishimoto wanted to kill either neji or kiba for the war arc, if kiba died, naruto wouldve married sakura instead, but kishimoto decided to kill off neji so naruto married hinata.
@@solidsnake8480 Naruto was supposed to end with sakura they have more screen time and moments than hinata hinata barely exists in the manga the only reason she ended with Naruto because she was popular character because of fillers the studio love her so much that they give her more moments in fillers and they hate sakura so much that they cut her dielog and moments in the manga they probably forced kishimoto to change
@@ayhamahmad2277 a few weeks ago i left a comment on the naruto subreddit saying something along the lines of "Maturity is realising that Naruhina had zero chemistry" lmao, but yea sakura was shelved mostly due to fans hating on her, studio pierrot only responded to the fans since their view of sakura was marred by what a piece of shit she was back in the early days, something kishimoto tried to rectify. atleast Naruto the Last tried to make Naruhina work so i can respect that.
@@solidsnake8480 kishimoto wasn't involved with the movie just read the manga and you well see the difference in the anime they cut a lot of her dielog and moments in the manga
I had left a comment that I've since deleted, because I felt like I was too hostile and uncharitable. I think I might try to formulate my ideas differently and leave them in a different comment. I just put this one out here in case you see it to say that I'm sorry for coming in hot like that.
Wow, very noble thing to do/say. Thank you for the support and consideration, interested to hear what you have to say.
Nah fire forces ending was pretty bad and some of the fights were worse like the fire fox girls.
Fire force wasn’t really an “ending”. Kind of was in a way but it IS a prequel to another story.
I cannot comprehend how he can pride fire force, lol
It's not that bad and has a lot of cool moments. Arthur v dragon is one of the greatest fights in manga.
It's definitely rough (I think I mentioned that in the video) but the overall structure pacing and plot was good, mainly that it was very strongly built up to and earned yet also brief, which were the main points.
wOw that video was iNsanEly well edited ,my favorite Part of the vIdEo whas when u talked about side Characters Especially in the mha part (get it ?)
Videos that make you want to read fire force (i love hearing thoughts from people who actually enjoy seeing meaningful character and story development & can consistently trust your recommendations)
I was wondering where you've been lol, I still have that video idea you asked for a while ago. It's gonna be amazing, I just need to go full time with yt first so I can find time to dedicate to it
Thank you so much for the support as always🙏🙏
@@SpareMango best of luck. Going full time with this sort of thing is a really difficult step. As a fellow creative who struggles with "need to be productive or what am i even alive for" syndrome- don't burn yourself out!! Am looking forward to the vid for sure 🔥🔥
One Piece's final war arc is going to be a goddamn mess isn't it.
5:41 h-HUH?!
LMAOOOO you're the first to ever notice that
@@SpareMango Though I was hallucinating because no one was talking about it 😭😭
Kinda agreedd.
Do you count chimera ant as war arc,tho?
Because it is pinnacle of war arc.
Again, series like HxH and Mob psyco 100 are what makes shonen genre still worth it.
MP100 had massive fight in s2 but it ended with a proper pay off in s3.
Fire force is in the same universe as my all time fav. I should watch it. (Also I did guess it)
I disagree with all of the Mha hate. I agree that the final war arc definitely fell off but saying that the stain arc and the tournament arc are bad is just hating. Not to mention that you completely missed over 2 of MHA's best arcs the overhaul arc and dark hero arc.
You didn't pay attention to the video lol
@@SpareMango I did. If i said something wrong im sorry but i dont think i messed up anywhere.
Never mentioned stain or tournament and I said that MHA actually has a few very good moments/arcs like MVA
15:37 bro like y didn't hawks and lady nagant have barely any confrontation lmao
Hello, I really enjoyed your video.
I like your Thumbnails for the creativeness, I like the videos for the steady editing that's not too much and not too less.
I'm looking forward to seeing more content and videos and ideas you have.
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@@SpareMango np
Nahhh jjk war arc pretty cool. AoT too. Naruto bored me to death tho. Never finished it.
explain to me HOW jjk is a war arc. Cause if you call that a war arc then my asshole is a war arc too
@@blacktoast_2158 the amount of std's you got mate i'd say its the third fukin reich down there so yea. thats the explanation u need.
Suprsied to see tybw not being mentioned here. Its a peak arc just the ending needs to be fixed in anime , its expanding a lot on the world and lore , karakura is a another good war arc but also has too many fights witg the highest highs
13:34 1v1 brawls? In JUMP-Kaisen?💀😂
This was made before Gojo came back lol
jujutsu kaisen falls in this trap too in this last arc the fight against sukuna
One piece
lets see if i get mute
No you're staying here forever now
@@SpareMango noo the curse
I think 86 was one of the only shows I've seen pull it off well, and only because the main characters weren't overly pivotal in the war, and the war didn't begin during the show and didn't end either. They portrayed war from the perspective of the soldiers really well imo
I sorta enjoyed Fire Force because I honestly didn't give a damn about the fanservice character, didn't know other people see it as 7/10, id probably give it an 8 for likeable characters, story, power system and the like, maybe an 8.5 from the brownie points of making a real War Arc, but everyone is entitled to have their own opinion 👍
Other people act like it's 3/10 lol
@@SpareMango damn below mid is crazy for a manga with an actually pretty good ending 💀
@@TheHolyM249for an manga with a great story that makes you want to know more about the world likeable characters legendary fights that don’t last 20 episodes but no just because of fanservice it’s bad it’s so crazy that they act like it’s the only anime with fan service
@@TheHolyM249also hottake fights lasting like 5 minutes -1 episodes are better than fights lasting 2 or more episodes 1-2 episodes are for fights who are really good but for me the best ones are the short ones AYO
Interesting that Fire Force is used as an example of a good shounen here. While here i am dropping the anime because i realized it had a sht ton of issues
Yeah season 3 is mid while the ending is a lot better
Other than Tamaki fan service, what are the problems in season 2 or fire force in general?
Fairy tail final season was a disappointment 😞 like really my characters and there potential was wasted (10great wizard sains) and the power scaling 😅let's not talk about that but still exited about 100 year quest
No doubt it's the most nostalgic anime 😊
More manga/anime need to be willing to kill off important characters for plot progression
If the editor allow them to do that the mangaga doesn't have freedom to control the story if the character is too popular they won't allow it to die did you know that kishimoto wanted to Neij and the others in the sasuke rescue arc but they forced him to keep them alive
The mha war arc gave deku the most goofy haircut
Ngl lowkey kinda goes hard
@@SpareMango Balding goes harder
Honestly this is all battle Shounen due to the scale and escalation of conflict
Ignore the mha fans everywhere. We are still parasocially connected to the series.
Marineford best war arc in manga. Its not overly drawn out and is hype all the way throufh😊
One piece war arc 10 years gonna tap out One Piece remake catches up to Anime
Wait, is the thumbnail true? Naruto's war arc lasted for 300 chapters? It felt so much shorter *quick googling* okay, all that I can find is in the anime it lasted for over 200 episodes, including the filler episodes, but the most I see from the manga is it lasted 80 chapters (which, if it's true, it's an alarming difference between chapters and episode & certainly didn't help much in their defense about milking Naruto too much)
exaggeration for dramatic effect but naruto's final arc is about 184 chapters and MHA's is 198 (and going)
Exaggeration, but the war arc is from chapter 516 to 700. Mha's is just about 200 now, thumbnail is mostly for dramatic effect to get the point across that they go on way too long.
@@SpareMango how is it 198 chapters are what arcs are you inclusing in this
Why stick the moedecai x rigby in??? Sjajajsjs (i realise wAs a random gag to draw attention for people to comment on it, drawing interactions from comments. I have fallen for your tricks)
lollll
Painful comments. I feel like half the ppl that commented didn't bother to pay attention
They get worse lol
Black clover is far superior in writing to me, if it had the animation and music that mha got, it would be no question which is objectively better.
No hate to mha though.
Eh, I like both. :P. Both? Both? Both. Both is good. :P 🙂↕️🫤.
Eh, I like both. :P. Both? Both? Both. Both is good. :P 🙂↕️🫤.
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this was the video that got me to sub, glad to see it reuploaded and back
Thank you for the support🤝🤝I fixed some stuff to make it better bc I know it's a good video
I hate war arcs even more because shit like Third shinobi world war from Naruto and Fake karakura town arc from Bleach gave me a fatigue that I can't get rid of for years. I've end up dropping Mob Psycho 100 on World domination arc just because of this fatigue that I've get every time I see some of this shit in anime.
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In all seriousness tho it may just be the underatted war mangas out there. True peak
Um excuse me what the actual f*ck was that regular show clip?💀
13:37 so few💀? I can list multiple fights in the show that were interrupted or cut short.
Mahito fled from nanami and yuji
Gojo blicked Hanami I mean dude like u even show that there when u make this point.
And dint get me started on shibuya
Toji fushigoro of all people came back while the beast dude was fighting the two boys and the old lady
Toji 3rd partied in megumi, old dudes, maki, and nanami’s fight with dagon
Toji somehow just realizes megumi is is son and commits senpoku
Jogo comes out of no where and murks old dude, and badly injures maki and nanami out of no where and iirc they were also finna deal with toji.
Sukuna and jogo interrupt the fight that would’ve happened proper with panda and higuruma with the two geto glazers
Sukuna popped in during the fucking blood bath that r been mahoraga vs haruta
Nanami treats haruta like the bitch he is after he was finna pack nobara and before that he wasnt involved in their fight iirc
And don’t get me started on fuckin yuji and todo vs mahito.
While some of these interruptions were good for the plot they still happen nonetheless which contradicts with ur point here. I mean my god if u r going to make this point at least put more care into the clips u use i mean my god, the clip wasn’t even in the middle of the fight. Gojo just violated Hanami.
Also u mention here people running ones. Have u not even seen the show. Did u just see one clip of the show and then call it day and then just het another clip for the video. Like jjk is filled with jumpings while there are fades that are ran one on one. A good portion of the fights are jumpings. Thats why the fanbase even call it jumpjutsu kaisen.
Never said every single fight is a long one on one brawl lol tf
I said it has a lot of those fights and they're good examples for how other series should format fights
Never once mentioned anything about cutting fights short, 1/2 of your comment is unrelated to anything I said in the video lol. In 1/2 of the interrupted fights the fights were basically over.
@@SpareMangoyo btw a response video came out calling you out about your opinions on the war arcs
lol
@@SpareMango video is called I love war arcs sparemango response
I'm aware