I’m from Russia and since Aeroflot bought lots of SSJ100 I’ve flown with it many times. I can say that it has comfy seats, not so noisy engines and overall it’s a great aircraft in terms of regional flights!
@@rocketman1058 Engines are Joint franco-russian design and manufacture , new all Russian ones will be much more advanced design due to santions Russians have been forced to develop own , cost the time and lots of $$ but its great for their industry that was lagging considerably in engine department with no new engines since soviet times.
@@Mr.T-SI THAT'S WISHFUL PROPAGANDA, beyond propaganda, russia isn't capable to develop anything, they just buy modern components from west, use western consultants to teach them to design and manufacture, but the output is Lada that no one wants to buy, because it's a Lada
@@rocketman1058 Wishfull Propaganda engine is already flying so that is that . Yes they might not know how to make decent cars but there number of fields where they are on the leading edge of tech, And do not need any western consultants .
I flew on Sukhoi Superjets multiple times (usually every year) and im really looking forward to do this in only two weeks again! In aspect of travelling comfort exists no difference to Airbus. The A220 is obviously more fuel efficient but from the passengers view you can surely fly on a Superjet as good as on an A220!
very bad, all of them. this clip was probably sponsored by the russians and the author decided to silence all the bad data, even that cuba (*the only foreign operator*) didn't buy those il96, but received them as a political gift.
@@dennisthemenace9133 not, just I am very familiar with the russian aviation industry, or what's left of it. the clip has been super biased and omitted most facts, like poor reliability at all stages, no maintenance and parts supply chain and why *all* foreign superjets were returned to russia and no foreign client got one and so on... fit these words don't make sense for you, this channel is not for you
@@rocketman1058 Destroyed industry which were able to create 2 commercial airliners within 10 years? Well, ok. Poor reliability? Yet they are widely used in Russia with no issues. Weird, heh? 737MAX is more reliable for sure. It's impossible to create supply network while you're under sanctions by the us and their vassals. And the economic sanctions were implemented only to stop russian development. Good example is composite wing for MC21, which had to be reinvented due to western elite sanctioned "european partners" for working with russia. US and EU are afraid of competitors, and they're very good at lobbying (legalised corruption). If some private western company wants to buy the russian jets, they will not be allowed. Free market in action, yeah. "Собака лает, а караван идёт" fits here perfectly.
I have flown on Cubana’s IL-96, very good experience overall with the plane. It was interesting to see how “Exit” signs were written in Russian. The seats were comfortable, cabin layout was good. Flying with that airline was a nightmare, I was delayed by 8h on both inbound and outbound flights. Zero explanation as to why, ground crew kept looking at the plane instead of actually doing anything to it. Counter personnel did nothing to apologize to passengers. It was the worst service I have ever experienced with any airline ever.
I wondered the same thing. I suppose the idea is that the "upper" aircraft is in the distance, rather than directly above. They sort of swapped roles at 2:44 by bringing the Il-96 up closer than the 777. But it definitely would have been more effective to compare them at the same scale. A little disappointing.
I have flown in the Sukoi Superjet. It felt similar to the western products, though the fit and finish was lacking. The similarity likely comes from the fact that Sukoi uses many western suppliers, a fact which is noted in some company announcements.
I think you left out the most important factor: Russian engines are thirstier and less powerful than their Western counterparts. The PS-90 is comparable to the RB211 and has half the thrust of the least powerful GE90.
PS90 is an old engine built for Tu-204/214 and Il-96. PD-14 is a new Russian engine built to power up MC-21 and it’s capable of competing agains new western jet engines such as CFM LEAP and PW’s
@@koRioN555 When looking up (non-russian) carriers and their experience with the Superjet for example (SaM146 engines), those were the main reason for getting rid of the aircraft. The engines on Brussels Airlines fell far short of their expected 7000 cycles, reaching only 1500-3000 cycles and experiencing issues with their hot section after 2000-4000h. These issues - paired with the unavailability of spare parts - resulted in the airline dropping the plane. So much for "competition"!
@@ceemosp SaM146 engines are built by French-Russian joint venture company. As far as i know there were construction flaws with the combustion chamber which was designed by guys from France. I heard that most engines have already been upgraded and now they are much more reliable. Of course that is not the greatest thing could happen. But hey do you remember 787 RR engine problems? Unfortunately things like that happen quite often
Flown on a TU154 on my one and only holiday to Bulgaria. It was extremely cramped and unbelievably noisy. The aircraft on both outbound and inbound flights were definitely showing their age and where in desperate need of an upgrade.
Many years ago i flown on tu134 on a lokal flight from Moscow to Kaluga. It was so funny old lady came inside and on the neighborhood seats put cage with couple of chicken. It was like in some village bus in south america. Totally insane flight. But tu 134 was like bus between russian cities. I remember that ticket was about 3 usd. And almost everybody can afford it.
When I was in Kiev Ukraine, I never got a chance to fly on a Russian built airplane, but I got the change to visit the Oleg Antonov State Aviation Museum and was able to see and also tour the interior of retired airliners. Was very interesting and a must see if you get a chance to visit if your an avgeek! Maybe one day, I'll get a chance to fly on one of their aircrafts. Cheers.
Yeah, I don't think any Ukrainian airline is flying Russian-made jets. Air Ukraine operates Boeings and Embraers, possibly, there are some Antonovs as well for domestic routes. Aeroflot was flying SSJs to Kyiv but now those routes no longer exist due to the Russian aggression. The museum is just marvelous, by the way!
@@volodymyrdrobot9454 This flight no longer exists because of the aggression of Ukraine against the Donbass . Because Ukraine has turned into a fascist-terrorist state .
@@юрийкосачев-э1э what constitutes Ukraine being a fascist and terrorist state? As far as I know, Ukraine does not poison people in foreign countries, does not explode weapon arsenals abroad and does not send mercenaries and regular troops without insignia to other countries.
@@volodymyrdrobot9454 Ukraine burned more than a hundred people alive in Odessa . Ukraine has staged a punitive operation against the residents of Donbass . Ukraine staged a genocide of the residents of Donbass . Ukraine shot down a passenger Boeing . Moreover, this is the second passenger plane that was shot down by Ukraine. Ukraine sent its terrorists to the Crimea . Organize terrorist attacks against residents of the Crimea . Is this not fascism ?? Is this not terrorism ??
Saamee and i'm going to do this very soon again! Now those flights are being operated by Rossiya, an Aeroflot subsidiary, but there should be no difference.
IL-96 didn't sell the first time around not sure it will this time unless Russian airlines are compelled to buy it. The Sukhoi Superjet was jointly developed with the west, it's OK for regional flights but again required state intervention to ensure sales
yes, russians haven't sold a single il-96 abroad (cuba received them as a political gift), and won't sell any ever. superjet was sold to companies abroad, but due to absence of service support the planes were returned to russia
@@rocketman1058 america has a some kind of rule in the aircraft industry of airlines, even Fokker making airliners was never successful world wide as one aircraft crashed and sued fokker and their airliner reputation basically died just because it wasnt american, imagine Boeing getting sued in the 30’s, everyone will still trust Boeing even after several crashes
@@rocketman1058 Airbus has once decicive advantage over Boeing: Their plant in Mobile, Alabama. This means if Boeing tried to get the US Trade department to put a tariff on Airbus planes (like they did with Bombardier), Airbus could just move final assembly to the US (so they wouldn't import a finished plane, just parts for it - like Boeing) - but Boeing couldn't mirror that strategy for Europe if the EU did the same.
The main problem with Tu104 and Il96 are the engines. After the collapse of USSR they revealed a Il96-400, stretched fuselage by 10 meters and western avionics and engines, the same engines of Boeing 757, PW2337. It coud have sell well against MD11, B747 and the new Airbus A340, but there was serious problems with finances and assistance after sales.
I flew several times with TU 154M and TU134 back in the 90s with Hungary's flag carrier Malev on routes to Budapest. Later they replaced these flights to Germany with 737-200s. I loved these planes. Absolutely awesome interior and engine sounds.
This is just raw statistics - what about reliability, sophistication, over weight aircraft, etc., what about engine life, engine reliability? How GOOD are the Russian machines?
If I were Boeing, Airbus, Embraer I wouldn’t be having sleepless nights, at least for the next 50 years. Really comparing the IL-96 to the 777? It’s not worth talking about. How about reliability and engineering? The Russians aren’t known for great customer service and support.
Russia are known for reliability and engineering. Foreign airlined forced to buy airbus or boeing anyway, so what's the point to provide support outside russia?
@@elacorp Guys, those aircrafts are designed to fly domestic routes. I live near LED, majority of aircrafts in the sky are Russian made. Sales and support are all right over here.
Comparing an IL-96 with 777 is a joke. Forget about looks, the most beautiful looking plane is the 777 no doubt, and in other terms like technology, engine IL-96 doesn't even come close. Simple Flying is high
@@ahmedayaat2727 IL-96 is 30+ year old plane.)) That said, Russians developed 2 modern planes and aircraft engine, while the west imposed economic sanctions trying to slow down development of Russia. You just don't see big picture.
I can remember when the term made in Japan was a joke. Likewise Korea. Look at them now.Give the Chinese time. BTW Boeing 787's and Max's still don't install me with a lot of confidence.
I've never flown aboard a modern Russian airliner, just some of the Soviet-era ones - TU-134A-3, TU-154B-2, TU-154M, IL-62M and IL-86. They were loud, inefficient and polluting, but exciting and interesting to experience at the same time. I have to say, the seats aboard those old Aeroflot aircraft were some of the most uncomfortable I've ever experienced! By the way, It's worth noting that Yakovlev has been absorbed into the Irkut amalgamation and is a principle player in the design and production of the MS-21. Additionally, there was never a full-blown Ilyushin IL-96M version, just a couple of prototypes. That particular aircraft came into existence in the early 1990s as a follow-on to the IL-96-300, but equipped with Pratt & Whitney PW2337 engines and Rockwell/Collins avionics. The first one was actually built using the original IL-96-300 prototype CCCP/RA-96000 with new fuselage extensions inserted fore and aft of the wing and the aforementioned US engine/avionics package. The IL-96M was primarily a victim of the unstable Russian economy and the inability of Ilyushin to finance the initial planned 20 production units.
@Ahmed Adly 2 refueling stops for a flight I took aboard an Aeroflot IL-86 in 1992 flying JFK-LED. A typical Western widebody jetliner could make the same flight without refueling. The IL-86 was known for its limited range due to underpowered thirsty NK-86 turbofans.
I don't know about "some of the most uncomfortable" seats, but modern Boeing and Airbus has very uncomfortable seats for me. I barely can stand it for less than two-hour flight. And according to oldtimers, Soviet planes had much more leg space.
If the upcoming products have many commonality such as Avionics & Cockpit systems, Engines and Tires probably the aircraft would be a preference for airlines worldwide....as easier to maintain🛫🤓
In 2005, I visited Bulgaria. On our return trip from Turkey, we boarded a Russian Illyushin 76 airliner, four engine presidential transport. It was part of the state airline, and had been diverted to pick us up from Turkey. The president himself I just won his election, and was staying put in the capital. Although his first class seating was roped off, We did pass by it. We noticed that the flight attendants in the cabin staff were much older, but spoke English. They were just as courteous to us as to any VIP passengers. I was impressed!
Smoking sections were common everywhere. First OS flight Sydney Honolulu on Continental Airlines. I reckon the smoking section was bigger than non smoking.
I think there were two losses of SSJ-100s, but I think it could’ve been a crew error (I don’t know the final reports.) I just checked and there once was a TU-214 accident with sadly a few fatalities. Once an Il-96 caught fire in Moscow but no one was injured. There only were a few accidents with these more modern Russian jets, but as already pointed out by the other commenter it’s also important to point out that there are far fewer Russian aircraft around
@@spongebubatz 4 SSJs were lost with 86 fatalities in total. All 4 - crew error. 1 struck the side of a mountain (45 lives lost), 1 went beyond the runway (all 91 passengers and crew survived), 1 was lost due to powering down the wrong engine during landing (1 crewmember injured during the evacuation, all survived), another 1 lost due to land with exceeding max landing mass (with tanks full of fuel), after trying to land at all cost the plane jumped 4 times and one strut collapsed puncturing the fuel tank and igniting the plane. 41 out of 78 didn’t make it out from raging fire.
I'd like to see more of them. It's tragic how Soviet aerospace expertise was almost lost in the disorderly switch to capitalism in the 90s. I was hoping these companies would become globally competitive already in the 20th century.
I flew the TU154 in the 80’s. Noisy experience. State owned carriers in Russia and China will provide a market backed by politics for these aircraft regardless of their performance compared to a Western aircrafts at similar size and capacity.
@Mayak no I'm very familiar, I also know that Putin litterly had to order Aeroflot to buy the SSJ-100. Outside of Russia there's literally just a handful of airlines operating these none of which are from China
@Mayak No it is natural for Aeroflot to buy the best aircraft. China buys western aircraft but not Russian, why is that? What I said about Putin ordering Aeroflot to buy domestic aircraft can easily be verified, you're obviously frightened to do so
@Antiklirikal1The new russian aircraft models are going to be a commercial failure just like their last designs. There is nothing Airbus of Boeing have to worry about. Even russian Airlines don’t really want to buy russian planes lol.
You should have talked about the efficiency of these aircraft and compared the casm of each one. Also, how many of these Russian aircraft have been ordered?
This video needs more detail. What about safety and reliability? Maintenance costs? Fuel consumption? Environmental impact? So many more ways to compare.
The SSJ has reliability issues, the MS21 isn’t in service yet and the IL96 is a four engine jet in an era of two engine jets with a non-competitive range. UAC doesn’t have the service capacity Boeing Airbus and Embraer do and has no new aircraft flying outside of Russia and the few countries that remain under their influence. Given the current sanctions and the world turning away from reliance on anything Russian, they will be far behind the ARJ21 and C919 for that second tier behind Boeing and Airbus.
Flown on multiple TU-154s (Balkan and in Russia in the 90s) and also in a Yak (not sure of the number, but small trijet). Flew on another single aisle, but not sure what it was. I think it had wing mounted engines (two), but it was a long time ago, so I’m not sure!
Did you pay attention to the IL-96 details and how it compares to the A340-300? It was the first one in the video, maybe that is why it has faded from your memory.
I flew the ssj100 with interjet airlines and it was loud but it looked similar to the a320 interior but it’s loud and uncomfortable I still don’t know if interjet is still around but I did fly in a Russian plane
I had a "honour" to fly with several Russian a/c, like YAK-42, AN-26, AN-124, IL-18, IL-62, IL-86, TU-134, TU-154. Funniest flight was from ALA to TAS on YAK-42. During the flight there was heavy smell of kerosene in the rear part of a/c. Just short before landing in TAS, a technician came from cockpit with huge screwdriver in hand did something near the back door and went back into cockpit smiling and telling passengers "нет проблем". Landing was perfect as usual by Russian pilots.
Nothing modern. Tu-154m with LOT and Cubana, An-24 with Cubana. On the flight deck of the An-24, very labour intensive during landing. Tu-154m were quite old even back then, had a sort of shelf instead of overhead bins. No more uncomfortable than a similarly ageing 737.
no matter what, russia has to keep building their own planes due to the sanctions from the US and allies, and for the same reason they should not buy any BOEING-AIRBUS plane.
I’m suspicious of any collaboration between Russia and China. Given china’s record of shoddy workmanship and corner cutting, I can’t see their planes being safe.
Well, we have Comac C919 from China to look at regarding quality and safety. It’s maiden flight was in 2017 and the plane is still on flight testing stage, however first commercial units should arrive to customers by 2022.
The range is so much less because it’s a regional jet and it was not designed for long haul flights. Even back in late 2000s when SSJ was designed Airbus and Boeing domination was obvious. However the niche of 80 to 100 seats planes was almost empty. So the aim was to hit Embraer’s market, not Boeing or Airbus. Comparing even new Embraer E-Jet 175 or 190 with SSJ-100LR we have 4200 km with Embraer and 4500 km with SSJ. Not so much of a difference, eh?
My favorite aircraft is the SSJ100 , it's roomy . has a light and airy feel due to it's beautiful interior and in accelerates like a big powerful sports car , compared to the Boeing competitor , the Boeing smells of jet fuel in the back seats during taxis , the Airbus has crooked rivet rows and feels flimsy , and the Fokker is tiny and cramped . My second favorite aircraft are the MD's they are built like a tank !
The airline companies will still the one to decide to buy or not. What Airbus/Boeing won the orders is the economy to operate and maintain. The issue with Russian products is parts and you only order from one company.
It would be nice to know sale prices, fuel consumption of the Russians narrow body 6 abreast seats aircrafts vs the Western ones in addition to general ballpark maintenance costs of all these aircrafts. I am trying to understand the load factor needed for the aircrafts to turn a profit for the airline.
I didnt know the il96 still in production... is ur info accurate as I've been privy to knowing that the a340 is a more efficient plane and Carrie's a longer range than the il96 ilyushin... also heard that the il96 is a much louder plane... fuel consumption is poor... hmmm but knowledge is power... good video
I flew on the big Ilyushins to Moscow a few times and they were just fine. Mind, it was a $85 ticket from Hurghada to moscow, so I guess it was excellent
Russia is not a big economic power. Their GDP ranks number 11 on the world scale. France, Italy, Brazil, and even Canada and India are ahead. Maybe Embraer will up its game and introduce some wide-body aircraft, now that their attempted joint venture with Boeing failed. Their products would probably fare better in the marketplace.
important detail that the author didn't mention: Cuba didn't buy them but received as a political gift, actually since the collapse of USSR that plane has never been sold outside russia. Corruption, is all russia is about, so the new bosses decided to upgrade il 96 in 2018, but these people do not understand or have any knowledge of the industry, so they didn't know that quad jet planes are dead, in the last 5-6 years no one wanted one, even A380. The popular reason to update il96 was patriotic commemoration of USSR and laundering national budget. The real reason why they didn't want to switch to a 2 engine design for il96 was poor reliability and low power of russian jet engines, redundancy upon redundancy, but with it comes high maintenance cost.
no, the reason to update the il-96 is that they are switching to a 2-engine configuration using 2x PD35 engines. This is important for russias military transport planes as it will allow them to transport heavier tanks etc. The civilian plane improvement is merely a bonus.
The visuals of "very similar planes" are really misleading with one plane much smaller ['further away'?] Instead of the layout used the two should have been in 'tight formation' so windows same size and lengths matching but offset
Notice that Air Koryo old jets rarely crash because of the meticulous maintenance and flight planning. That’s the standard should be to use Russian jets.
Every summer I’m flying to Russia, many cities are operated by Aeroflot and Redwings, they are operating Superjet. It’s a good plane for 2 hour flight from Almaty to Yekaterinburg
If Russia didn’t lose the little goodwill they had through the Crimea war, then I’m sure a lot more European carriers would have ordered Russian jets 🙄
I doubt it. Russian planes are subpar by quality. Brussels tried SSJs and had to return them because they were in repair way too often. Interjet had the same experience. There were also some incidents with this aircraft losing parts on the runway during the takeoff.
@@volodymyrdrobot9454 hmm fair enough. The sukhoi superjet crash from aeroflot flight 1492 probably also damaged their image. Still I think they would have gotten a lot orders. Right now with the sanctions against the Russian economy, basically only ex-soviet countries are ordering the plane.
@@AlohaBiatch not all of them. Ukraine would not. Moldova, Georgia and Baltic countries would not either. Armenia ordered SSJ which they later returned. I am not sure about Azerbaijan and Central Asian countries. That leaves those planes for domestic market only.
@@guardiaguardia3017 there are orders and even contracts from Aeroflot and other Russian carriers. They desperately try and promise mass production - fail.
A VERY informative video. However, I believe that talking about range is imprecise, it would be better to talk about the fuel consumption to reach this or that distance. Pretty sure the Russian prods will use more fuel/km/pax than Western ones.
I flew on the Superjet twice. Comfortable short flight from Krakow to Moscow and another from Moscow to Warsaw. No complaints.
I’m from Russia and since Aeroflot bought lots of SSJ100 I’ve flown with it many times. I can say that it has comfy seats, not so noisy engines and overall it’s a great aircraft in terms of regional flights!
the seats and the engines are western, we'll see how it will be with russian ones
@@rocketman1058 Engines are Joint franco-russian design and manufacture , new all Russian ones will be much more advanced design due to santions Russians have been forced to develop own , cost the time and lots of $$ but its great for their industry that was lagging considerably in engine department with no new engines since soviet times.
@@rocketman1058 what is so bad about russian made stuff?
@@Mr.T-SI THAT'S WISHFUL PROPAGANDA, beyond propaganda, russia isn't capable to develop anything, they just buy modern components from west, use western consultants to teach them to design and manufacture, but the output is Lada that no one wants to buy, because it's a Lada
@@rocketman1058 Wishfull Propaganda engine is already flying so that is that . Yes they might not know how to make decent cars but there number of fields where they are on the leading edge of tech, And do not need any western consultants .
I flew on Sukhoi Superjets multiple times (usually every year) and im really looking forward to do this in only two weeks again! In aspect of travelling comfort exists no difference to Airbus. The A220 is obviously more fuel efficient but from the passengers view you can surely fly on a Superjet as good as on an A220!
What about fuel consumption data, service ceiling and safety?
They can take off (usually)
very bad, all of them. this clip was probably sponsored by the russians and the author decided to silence all the bad data, even that cuba (*the only foreign operator*) didn't buy those il96, but received them as a political gift.
@@rocketman1058 your comment was probably sponsored by american government. Lots of words and no common sense.
@@dennisthemenace9133 not, just I am very familiar with the russian aviation industry, or what's left of it. the clip has been super biased and omitted most facts, like poor reliability at all stages, no maintenance and parts supply chain and why *all* foreign superjets were returned to russia and no foreign client got one and so on... fit these words don't make sense for you, this channel is not for you
@@rocketman1058 Destroyed industry which were able to create 2 commercial airliners within 10 years? Well, ok.
Poor reliability? Yet they are widely used in Russia with no issues. Weird, heh? 737MAX is more reliable for sure.
It's impossible to create supply network while you're under sanctions by the us and their vassals. And the economic sanctions were implemented only to stop russian development. Good example is composite wing for MC21, which had to be reinvented due to western elite sanctioned "european partners" for working with russia. US and EU are afraid of competitors, and they're very good at lobbying (legalised corruption).
If some private western company wants to buy the russian jets, they will not be allowed. Free market in action, yeah.
"Собака лает, а караван идёт" fits here perfectly.
I have flown on Cubana’s IL-96, very good experience overall with the plane. It was interesting to see how “Exit” signs were written in Russian. The seats were comfortable, cabin layout was good.
Flying with that airline was a nightmare, I was delayed by 8h on both inbound and outbound flights. Zero explanation as to why, ground crew kept looking at the plane instead of actually doing anything to it. Counter personnel did nothing to apologize to passengers. It was the worst service I have ever experienced with any airline ever.
What about the aircraft ?
It's state owned with 1 plane. Disaster.
Your experiences from 10 years ago on 1980s planes shouldn’t shape your view on modern Russian planes lol
2:30 why the hell is the scale way off? Feels like you're comparing a 757 to a 737
I wondered the same thing. I suppose the idea is that the "upper" aircraft is in the distance, rather than directly above. They sort of swapped roles at 2:44 by bringing the
Il-96 up closer than the 777. But it definitely would have been more effective to compare them at the same scale. A little disappointing.
agreed - looks awful and very confusing
I agree. I was enjoying this video until this moment.
I stopped watching and unsubscribed. I have no respect for creators who are incompetent.
Loving how even Cubana has 3 classes.....I thought it would just have 1 class.....🤣🤣🤣
U have to fleece those capitalist imperialist running dogs.
I see what you did there
OUR plane
Some people are more equal than others.
I have flown in the Sukoi Superjet. It felt similar to the western products, though the fit and finish was lacking. The similarity likely comes from the fact that Sukoi uses many western suppliers, a fact which is noted in some company announcements.
I think you left out the most important factor: Russian engines are thirstier and less powerful than their Western counterparts. The PS-90 is comparable to the RB211 and has half the thrust of the least powerful GE90.
Yes for sure they are fuel guzzlers
PS90 is an old engine built for Tu-204/214 and Il-96. PD-14 is a new Russian engine built to power up MC-21 and it’s capable of competing agains new western jet engines such as CFM LEAP and PW’s
@@koRioN555 doubt it
@@koRioN555 When looking up (non-russian) carriers and their experience with the Superjet for example (SaM146 engines), those were the main reason for getting rid of the aircraft. The engines on Brussels Airlines fell far short of their expected 7000 cycles, reaching only 1500-3000 cycles and experiencing issues with their hot section after 2000-4000h. These issues - paired with the unavailability of spare parts - resulted in the airline dropping the plane. So much for "competition"!
@@ceemosp SaM146 engines are built by French-Russian joint venture company. As far as i know there were construction flaws with the combustion chamber which was designed by guys from France. I heard that most engines have already been upgraded and now they are much more reliable. Of course that is not the greatest thing could happen. But hey do you remember 787 RR engine problems? Unfortunately things like that happen quite often
Flown on a TU154 on my one and only holiday to Bulgaria. It was extremely cramped and unbelievably noisy. The aircraft on both outbound and inbound flights were definitely showing their age and where in desperate need of an upgrade.
Lol
Many years ago i flown on tu134 on a lokal flight from Moscow to Kaluga. It was so funny old lady came inside and on the neighborhood seats put cage with couple of chicken. It was like in some village bus in south america. Totally insane flight. But tu 134 was like bus between russian cities. I remember that ticket was about 3 usd. And almost everybody can afford it.
@Mayak Irkut MC-21? 767 copy with just few touches of Irkut? LMAO
@Mayak ??
@Mayak can't understand? Go and learn English, I said the design is same as 767. Why are you changing topics?
When I was in Kiev Ukraine, I never got a chance to fly on a Russian built airplane, but I got the change to visit the Oleg Antonov State Aviation Museum and was able to see and also tour the interior of retired airliners. Was very interesting and a must see if you get a chance to visit if your an avgeek! Maybe one day, I'll get a chance to fly on one of their aircrafts. Cheers.
Yeah, I don't think any Ukrainian airline is flying Russian-made jets. Air Ukraine operates Boeings and Embraers, possibly, there are some Antonovs as well for domestic routes. Aeroflot was flying SSJs to Kyiv but now those routes no longer exist due to the Russian aggression.
The museum is just marvelous, by the way!
@@volodymyrdrobot9454 This flight no longer exists because of the aggression of Ukraine against the Donbass . Because Ukraine has turned into a fascist-terrorist state .
@@юрийкосачев-э1э what constitutes Ukraine being a fascist and terrorist state? As far as I know, Ukraine does not poison people in foreign countries, does not explode weapon arsenals abroad and does not send mercenaries and regular troops without insignia to other countries.
@@volodymyrdrobot9454 Ukraine burned more than a hundred people alive in Odessa . Ukraine has staged a punitive operation against the residents of Donbass . Ukraine staged a genocide of the residents of Donbass . Ukraine shot down a passenger Boeing . Moreover, this is the second passenger plane that was shot down by Ukraine. Ukraine sent its terrorists to the Crimea . Organize terrorist attacks against residents of the Crimea . Is this not fascism ?? Is this not terrorism ??
@@volodymyrdrobot9454indeed it is!
It will be interesting to see how well the Irkut MC-21 will be received by passengers.
I flew from Moscow Sheremetyevo to Voronezh on an Aeroflot SSJ 100 in 2018. Nice plane.
Saamee and i'm going to do this very soon again! Now those flights are being operated by Rossiya, an Aeroflot subsidiary, but there should be no difference.
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IL-96 didn't sell the first time around not sure it will this time unless Russian airlines are compelled to buy it.
The Sukhoi Superjet was jointly developed with the west, it's OK for regional flights but again required state intervention to ensure sales
yes, russians haven't sold a single il-96 abroad (cuba received them as a political gift), and won't sell any ever. superjet was sold to companies abroad, but due to absence of service support the planes were returned to russia
@@rocketman1058 america has a some kind of rule in the aircraft industry of airlines, even Fokker making airliners was never successful world wide as one aircraft crashed and sued fokker and their airliner reputation basically died just because it wasnt american, imagine Boeing getting sued in the 30’s, everyone will still trust Boeing even after several crashes
@@startingbark0356 if it was true, then how come Airbus is now taking over the US market? take this conspiracy and show up your bottom.
@@rocketman1058 Airbus has once decicive advantage over Boeing: Their plant in Mobile, Alabama. This means if Boeing tried to get the US Trade department to put a tariff on Airbus planes (like they did with Bombardier), Airbus could just move final assembly to the US (so they wouldn't import a finished plane, just parts for it - like Boeing) - but Boeing couldn't mirror that strategy for Europe if the EU did the same.
The main problem with Tu104 and Il96 are the engines. After the collapse of USSR they revealed a Il96-400, stretched fuselage by 10 meters and western avionics and engines, the same engines of Boeing 757, PW2337. It coud have sell well against MD11, B747 and the new Airbus A340, but there was serious problems with finances and assistance after sales.
Imagine that😂
I flew several times with TU 154M and TU134 back in the 90s with Hungary's flag carrier Malev on routes to Budapest. Later they replaced these flights to Germany with 737-200s. I loved these planes. Absolutely awesome interior and engine sounds.
But the fuel consumption?
This is just raw statistics - what about reliability, sophistication, over weight aircraft, etc., what about engine life, engine reliability? How GOOD are the Russian machines?
If I were Boeing, Airbus, Embraer I wouldn’t be having sleepless nights, at least for the next 50 years. Really comparing the IL-96 to the 777? It’s not worth talking about. How about reliability and engineering? The Russians aren’t known for great customer service and support.
Russia are known for reliability and engineering. Foreign airlined forced to buy airbus or boeing anyway, so what's the point to provide support outside russia?
That's the problem... No customer support! I feel if they can do this it will be better
@@elacorp Guys, those aircrafts are designed to fly domestic routes. I live near LED, majority of aircrafts in the sky are Russian made. Sales and support are all right over here.
Comparing an IL-96 with 777 is a joke. Forget about looks, the most beautiful looking plane is the 777 no doubt, and in other terms like technology, engine IL-96 doesn't even come close. Simple Flying is high
@@ahmedayaat2727 IL-96 is 30+ year old plane.)) That said, Russians developed 2 modern planes and aircraft engine, while the west imposed economic sanctions trying to slow down development of Russia. You just don't see big picture.
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How is your Lada compared to a Mercedes?
Compare Mercedes with AURUS .
@@юрийкосачев-э1э красиво заткнул.
you completely ignored the price tag in your comparison
Competition is good. Hope more planemakers get into the race too.
I would say if the E2 series can have decent sales, compertition is pretty good now for the 150 seat size
Have y’all done a regional jet comparison video? I’d like to see how Embrear stands with SSJs and CRJs.
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What a great video I enjoyed it so much! , thank you guys are awesome
“ Made in China “ is not something I’d like to see on an airplane I’m trusting with the lives of my loved ones and I.
100% you are right
Made in the USA and involved in 2 fatal accidents, grounded and not trusted by many countries *cough* MAX *cough*
everything you use is made in china, get over it
@@YervanYang really solid point right there
I can remember when the term made in Japan was a joke. Likewise Korea. Look at them now.Give the Chinese time. BTW Boeing 787's and Max's still don't install me with a lot of confidence.
I've never flown aboard a modern Russian airliner, just some of the Soviet-era ones - TU-134A-3, TU-154B-2, TU-154M, IL-62M and IL-86. They were loud, inefficient and polluting, but exciting and interesting to experience at the same time. I have to say, the seats aboard those old Aeroflot aircraft were some of the most uncomfortable I've ever experienced! By the way, It's worth noting that Yakovlev has been absorbed into the Irkut amalgamation and is a principle player in the design and production of the MS-21. Additionally, there was never a full-blown Ilyushin IL-96M version, just a couple of prototypes. That particular aircraft came into existence in the early 1990s as a follow-on to the IL-96-300, but equipped with Pratt & Whitney PW2337 engines and Rockwell/Collins avionics. The first one was actually built using the original IL-96-300 prototype CCCP/RA-96000 with new fuselage extensions inserted fore and aft of the wing and the aforementioned US engine/avionics package. The IL-96M was primarily a victim of the unstable Russian economy and the inability of Ilyushin to finance the initial planned 20 production units.
I am more interested in how the aircraft's fuel efficiency was "part of your experience" as passenger.
@Ahmed Adly 2 refueling stops for a flight I took aboard an Aeroflot IL-86 in 1992 flying JFK-LED. A typical Western widebody jetliner could make the same flight without refueling. The IL-86 was known for its limited range due to underpowered thirsty NK-86 turbofans.
@@brittsaunders4621 What is "Western:"?
@@AhmedAdly11 Airbus and Boeing.
I don't know about "some of the most uncomfortable" seats, but modern Boeing and Airbus has very uncomfortable seats for me. I barely can stand it for less than two-hour flight.
And according to oldtimers, Soviet planes had much more leg space.
I flew several times on Tupolev 154 and once on Ilyushin 86 in the eighties.
I would like to experience the newest Russian planes.
If the upcoming products have many commonality such as Avionics & Cockpit systems, Engines and Tires probably the aircraft would be a preference for airlines worldwide....as easier to maintain🛫🤓
Russia doesn't have the best track record when it comes to safety.
Why would they be easier to maintain?
@@igotanM16 What is the source of that info?
The planes do surely look good
In 2005, I visited Bulgaria. On our return trip from Turkey, we boarded a Russian Illyushin 76 airliner, four engine presidential transport. It was part of the state airline, and had been diverted to pick us up from Turkey. The president himself I just won his election, and was staying put in the capital. Although his first class seating was roped off, We did pass by it. We noticed that the flight attendants in the cabin staff were much older, but spoke English. They were just as courteous to us as to any VIP passengers. I was impressed!
Back in the mid 80's I flow on a IL-62M from Havana to Luanda, and east Berlin, and you were allow to smoke, it was really nasty, lol.
In that time smoke were allowed in mostly airliners around the world.
Smoking sections were common everywhere. First OS flight Sydney Honolulu on Continental Airlines. I reckon the smoking section was bigger than non smoking.
Now compare fuel consumption 😂
No Russian are worried about the fuel consumption.
@Mayak это была шутка.
How is the safety record of these jets?
Difficult to compare like for like given the far greater number of western built aircraft in use.
The SSJ-100 has had a few incidents though
I think there were two losses of SSJ-100s, but I think it could’ve been a crew error (I don’t know the final reports.)
I just checked and there once was a TU-214 accident with sadly a few fatalities.
Once an Il-96 caught fire in Moscow but no one was injured.
There only were a few accidents with these more modern Russian jets, but as already pointed out by the other commenter it’s also important to point out that there are far fewer Russian aircraft around
@@spongebubatz 4 SSJs were lost with 86 fatalities in total. All 4 - crew error. 1 struck the side of a mountain (45 lives lost), 1 went beyond the runway (all 91 passengers and crew survived), 1 was lost due to powering down the wrong engine during landing (1 crewmember injured during the evacuation, all survived), another 1 lost due to land with exceeding max landing mass (with tanks full of fuel), after trying to land at all cost the plane jumped 4 times and one strut collapsed puncturing the fuel tank and igniting the plane. 41 out of 78 didn’t make it out from raging fire.
I'd like to see more of them. It's tragic how Soviet aerospace expertise was almost lost in the disorderly switch to capitalism in the 90s. I was hoping these companies would become globally competitive already in the 20th century.
I flew the TU154 in the 80’s. Noisy experience. State owned carriers in Russia and China will provide a market backed by politics for these aircraft regardless of their performance compared to a Western aircrafts at similar size and capacity.
To be honest I don't see China buying Russian built commercial aircraft, as far as I'm aware they didn't even buy the SSJ-100
@Mayak no I'm very familiar, I also know that Putin litterly had to order Aeroflot to buy the SSJ-100.
Outside of Russia there's literally just a handful of airlines operating these none of which are from China
@Mayak No it is natural for Aeroflot to buy the best aircraft.
China buys western aircraft but not Russian, why is that?
What I said about Putin ordering Aeroflot to buy domestic aircraft can easily be verified, you're obviously frightened to do so
That's almost half a century ago.
@Antiklirikal1The new russian aircraft models are going to be a commercial failure just like their last designs. There is nothing Airbus of Boeing have to worry about. Even russian Airlines don’t really want to buy russian planes lol.
You should have talked about the efficiency of these aircraft and compared the casm of each one. Also, how many of these Russian aircraft have been ordered?
This video needs more detail. What about safety and reliability? Maintenance costs? Fuel consumption? Environmental impact? So many more ways to compare.
I hope so much that the irkut mc-21 will gain big success
The cockpit window is so ugly, it looks like a MD 11, but gave some own touches, which is horribly ugly imo
@@ahmedayaat2727 It's a beautiful plane, and windows too. Clearly, you have no sense of beauty or style.
The SSJ has reliability issues, the MS21 isn’t in service yet and the IL96 is a four engine jet in an era of two engine jets with a non-competitive range. UAC doesn’t have the service capacity Boeing Airbus and Embraer do and has no new aircraft flying outside of Russia and the few countries that remain under their influence. Given the current sanctions and the world turning away from reliance on anything Russian, they will be far behind the ARJ21 and C919 for that second tier behind Boeing and Airbus.
What are the songs in these videos?
I flew a few times with the Sukhoi Superjet. Quite a comparable experience to the A220.
It is significantly smaller and has a 3-2 seating configuration
@@michaeldunham3385 both the SSJ-100 and A200 have 2-3
@@spongebubatz you are here as well!
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Flown on multiple TU-154s (Balkan and in Russia in the 90s) and also in a Yak (not sure of the number, but small trijet). Flew on another single aisle, but not sure what it was. I think it had wing mounted engines (two), but it was a long time ago, so I’m not sure!
Not really a comparison if your going to intentionally leave out fuel consumption figures
Did you pay attention to the IL-96 details and how it compares to the A340-300? It was the first one in the video, maybe that is why it has faded from your memory.
@@janosvass5628 They did not mention fuel consumption, and it is likely magnitudes higher
Good point. Range isn't fuel consumption. Would have been another interesting number to have.
@@janosvass5628 I just rewatched and my memory was perfect....no mention of fuel consumption at all
These range figures are - as usual - completely useless. Fuel isn't mentioned, payload neither.
You forgot to mention that pilots from Russia usually fly their planes after drinking 1 or 2 liters of vodka. That's a big difference :D
I flew the ssj100 with interjet airlines and it was loud but it looked similar to the a320 interior but it’s loud and uncomfortable I still don’t know if interjet is still around but I did fly in a Russian plane
the ssj100-new will have quieter engines so that problem will likely be solved in those new planes.
TU-154. In 1976 & 1977 as a kid.
I had a "honour" to fly with several Russian a/c, like YAK-42, AN-26, AN-124, IL-18, IL-62, IL-86, TU-134, TU-154. Funniest flight was from ALA to TAS on YAK-42. During the flight there was heavy smell of kerosene in the rear part of a/c. Just short before landing in TAS, a technician came from cockpit with huge screwdriver in hand did something near the back door and went back into cockpit smiling and telling passengers "нет проблем". Landing was perfect as usual by Russian pilots.
Nothing modern. Tu-154m with LOT and Cubana, An-24 with Cubana. On the flight deck of the An-24, very labour intensive during landing. Tu-154m were quite old even back then, had a sort of shelf instead of overhead bins. No more uncomfortable than a similarly ageing 737.
no matter what, russia has to keep building their own planes due to the sanctions from the US and allies, and for the same reason they should not buy any BOEING-AIRBUS plane.
I’m suspicious of any collaboration between Russia and China. Given china’s record of shoddy workmanship and corner cutting, I can’t see their planes being safe.
Well, we have Comac C919 from China to look at regarding quality and safety. It’s maiden flight was in 2017 and the plane is still on flight testing stage, however first commercial units should arrive to customers by 2022.
The design of new russian jets is very modern, especially the sukhoi superjet
It's because they are modern.
They don't fly further; they fly farther.
Thank you. People mix that up all the time, saying farther when they mean further, and vice versa.
As a non native speaker may I ask what’s the difference? :D
@@spongebubatz English grammar for help ;)
The last time I heard about UAC, they were working on interdimensioanal travel, and accidentaly they opened up a gate to hell.
I've flown on Interjet SSJ. More bumpy but very comfortable
I wonder why the range is so much less across the board on the Russian aircraft? Is it the engine efficiency or something as simple as fuel capacity?
Maybe both, but the fuel consumption isn’t the greatest compared to other aircraft.
The range is so much less because it’s a regional jet and it was not designed for long haul flights. Even back in late 2000s when SSJ was designed Airbus and Boeing domination was obvious. However the niche of 80 to 100 seats planes was almost empty. So the aim was to hit Embraer’s market, not Boeing or Airbus. Comparing even new Embraer E-Jet 175 or 190 with SSJ-100LR we have 4200 km with Embraer and 4500 km with SSJ. Not so much of a difference, eh?
My favorite aircraft is the SSJ100 , it's roomy . has a light and airy feel due to it's beautiful interior and in accelerates like a big powerful sports car , compared to the Boeing competitor , the Boeing smells of jet fuel in the back seats during taxis , the Airbus has crooked rivet rows and feels flimsy , and the Fokker is tiny and cramped . My second favorite aircraft are the MD's they are built like a tank !
In my opinion I think Airbus and Boeing aircraft ✈️ are better because they offer better range as well as more passenger 💺 capacity.
SSJ was designed as a smaller regional jet with 87 to 108 seats. Pretty MonkaS to compare it to Airbus or Boeing regarding it’s capacity.
The airline companies will still the one to decide to buy or not. What Airbus/Boeing won the orders is the economy to operate and maintain. The issue with Russian products is parts and you only order from one company.
Short answer: they don't
Never fly DragonAir or Aeroflop. You only have one life. This is not the best way to end it.
It would be nice to know sale prices, fuel consumption of the Russians narrow body 6 abreast seats aircrafts vs the Western ones in addition to general ballpark maintenance costs of all these aircrafts. I am trying to understand the load factor needed for the aircrafts to turn a profit for the airline.
I remember former Mexican Airline Interjet had superjets
I didnt know the il96 still in production... is ur info accurate as I've been privy to knowing that the a340 is a more efficient plane and Carrie's a longer range than the il96 ilyushin... also heard that the il96 is a much louder plane... fuel consumption is poor... hmmm but knowledge is power... good video
I flew on the big Ilyushins to Moscow a few times and they were just fine. Mind, it was a $85 ticket from Hurghada to moscow, so I guess it was excellent
Better than before but still not great. They need to have a support network like what Airbus and Boeing use if they want sales from the West
Those planes mostly fly domestic routes and were designed for domestic routes. Western companies are prohibited to buy anything russian anyway.
COMPARE WITH BOEING 737MAX ??? The widow maker
Looks like all their new Jets do not have high bypass engines.
they can always import Rolls Royce or GE engines.
Boeing and AirBus don't make engines.
@@davidjacobs8558 Russians are forced to design it's own engines due to economic sanctions, and they did it. PD-14
Russia is not a big economic power. Their GDP ranks number 11 on the world scale. France, Italy, Brazil, and even Canada and India are ahead. Maybe Embraer will up its game and introduce some wide-body aircraft, now that their attempted joint venture with Boeing failed. Their products would probably fare better in the marketplace.
If these planes were fitted with engines from Pratt and Whitney , GE or rolls Royce, they’d be very competitive and cheaper.
important detail that the author didn't mention: Cuba didn't buy them but received as a political gift, actually since the collapse of USSR that plane has never been sold outside russia. Corruption, is all russia is about, so the new bosses decided to upgrade il 96 in 2018, but these people do not understand or have any knowledge of the industry, so they didn't know that quad jet planes are dead, in the last 5-6 years no one wanted one, even A380. The popular reason to update il96 was patriotic commemoration of USSR and laundering national budget. The real reason why they didn't want to switch to a 2 engine design for il96 was poor reliability and low power of russian jet engines, redundancy upon redundancy, but with it comes high maintenance cost.
no, the reason to update the il-96 is that they are switching to a 2-engine configuration using 2x PD35 engines. This is important for russias military transport planes as it will allow them to transport heavier tanks etc. The civilian plane improvement is merely a bonus.
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4:53 this is the question you should have replied to
C'mon, Simple Flying. One aircraft flies FARTHER than another, NOT further. Really...? C'mon...
MC-21 is bound to be the more successful than the rest of these aircrafts.
I hope so
It needs a support network though for spare parts etc for Western airlines which I don’t think it has currently
@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 it edited my comment to write what I actually meant 🙂😂
Hopefully since the spiritual predecessor to the MC-21, the Yak 40/42 actually did rather well with sales
The visuals of "very similar planes" are really misleading with one plane much smaller ['further away'?] Instead of the layout used the two should have been in 'tight formation' so windows same size and lengths matching but offset
Notice that Air Koryo old jets rarely crash because of the meticulous maintenance and flight planning. That’s the standard should be to use Russian jets.
Be great if Boeing could let the Russian airlines have the plans for the 737 Max
Every summer I’m flying to Russia, many cities are operated by Aeroflot and Redwings, they are operating Superjet. It’s a good plane for 2 hour flight from Almaty to Yekaterinburg
You shouldnt fly to that country anymore
i wish we can have more chance to fly these rare birds!
If Russia didn’t lose the little goodwill they had through the Crimea war, then I’m sure a lot more European carriers would have ordered Russian jets 🙄
It wasn't a war in Crimea, it was an annexation.
@@Behemoth29 besides the point.
I doubt it. Russian planes are subpar by quality. Brussels tried SSJs and had to return them because they were in repair way too often. Interjet had the same experience. There were also some incidents with this aircraft losing parts on the runway during the takeoff.
@@volodymyrdrobot9454 hmm fair enough. The sukhoi superjet crash from aeroflot flight 1492 probably also damaged their image.
Still I think they would have gotten a lot orders. Right now with the sanctions against the Russian economy, basically only ex-soviet countries are ordering the plane.
@@AlohaBiatch not all of them. Ukraine would not. Moldova, Georgia and Baltic countries would not either. Armenia ordered SSJ which they later returned. I am not sure about Azerbaijan and Central Asian countries.
That leaves those planes for domestic market only.
How do russian jets compare to Airbus and Boeing? Well, they dont.
I have been on a il62 once that was the only time I have been on a plane
cool
Moscow-Kiev on a Tu 134, back in early 2000's , it felt old in a way, just as an observation the A320 fells much better as a passenger.
One had its first flight in 1963, the other one in 1987 ;)
Russian latest version and wide body are significant better than the smaller version , and can actually compete with Airbus and Boeing.
The problem is that they aren't produced 😂😂😅
@@User122-ty well if they are no order, no production
@@guardiaguardia3017 there are orders and even contracts from Aeroflot and other Russian carriers.
They desperately try and promise mass production - fail.
They Don’t.
Maybe Boeing should have Putin build their jets
0:50 doom moment
A VERY informative video.
However, I believe that talking about range is imprecise, it would be better to talk about the fuel consumption to reach this or that distance.
Pretty sure the Russian prods will use more fuel/km/pax than Western ones.
Noone :
Feb 2022: Hey Putin, How's that competition going after the invasion? 1 Plane for 1 banana?
Saw a Tupolev TU-204 operated by North Korea's Air Koryo at Beijing Capital International Airport.
I would think that the Russian jets are a lot cheaper (but maybe more thirsty?)
Yeah they are thirsty, but the MS-21 should be up to today’s standards!
Ehm how the heck does an A220 flies nearly 7000 km ?
The A220 really is a rebadged Bombardier C-Series using Pratt & Whitney Geared Turbofan Engines....20% more fuel effient.
First flight ever; TU134, GOT-SVO and IL86, SVO-BKK via Tashkent and Delhi. ARN-BKK return via SVO, TU154, A310 and IL62.
Fuel tank matters