In Switzerland we are hunting in fall roes also with the shotgun. We using no. 1 or 2 (4mm or 3.75mm pellets). That works perfect, if you shoot max. 30 meters. They get killed immediately.
Coming from over here in the deep south U.S., we hunt deer driven by dogs and almost always use shotguns with buckshot. Doing this for roe makes perfect sense to me, loved the film!
At the proper range a shotgun is amazingly effective. My dream is to join a European driven hunt one day. But, until that day, I will enjoy everything y'all post! I am preparing to leave on a week long waterfowl ( wildfowl to you guys across the pond I believe) hunt here in Arkansas USA. But I love everything you guys do at Fieldsports! Cheers to our British parents from over here.😊🇬🇧🇺🇸❤️
@@graycarruth2831 Gary honestly that hunt might not be a far away dream. I live in sweden and i have a Swedish Drever dog. Me and my friends killed 5 deer for him last year and he was still a puppy, less than a year old. So if you want to come over here and hunt with me that can be arranged! But i want to "trade" with you and hunt with you in USA. Im dead serious!
@@DUNDERBERGET What animals do you generally hunt in Sweden? I’m from Minnesota and generally hunt whitetails,turkeys, and ruffed grouse along with a few other species.
Not really sure what "death by sensory overload" even means. They are obviously dead, but could No.2 shot produce hydrostatic shock? I suspect that pellets striking the spine could do that.
Roe deer have a very sensitive central nervous system. Shooting them with large birdshot like US no 1-3 causes a complete overload of the nervous system which leads to instant unconsciousness and loss of cardiovascular function. The shot doesn't have to hit the spine. As long as the shot is placed in the torso and the shot pattern covers the widest possible area with as many individual pieces of shot as possible making contact the deer will drop dead mid-stride as if it had been hit by lightning, the deer don't even kick or thrash. The shot doesn't need to hit bone and the pellets rarely penetrate deeper than an inch under the skin under normal conditions. As far as I know the exact mechanics as to how and why it's so effective are poorly understood by science but the hunting method works remarkably well as long as you don't shoot the deer in the bottom. The same method should never be implemented against red deer and fallow deer, as it's almost completely ineffective and would therefore be highly unethical.
@@Benny--- Thanks. Yes, I agree and as I said, it obviously works but its "the exact mechanism" that eludes me 😁. There must be some sort of trauma to some part of the CNS either directly or indirectly. Otherwise its magic! And rational as rational people, we dont believe in that do we ? Very interesting all the same.
Shock. It's extraordinary. I had heard they can die of 'shock myopathy' - simply being in the presence of a TV vet - seriously - but I didn't know shotguns would have the same effect. / Charlie
Because you need enough pellets to have enough pattern to produce the shock. The old rules here were at least 100 pellets in the cartridge, usually 2.s.
Against roe in particular birdshot is actually more effective, and hunting roe with buckshot It's not legal in Sweden. Your options for roe deer are as follows: A shotgun (20bore or above) loaded with US no 1-3 birdshot, or A rifle class 2 or greater (.222Rem and above) loaded with expanding ammunition. So shotgun slugs and buckshots are prohibited for use against roe deer. In fact you're not allowed to hunt anything with buckshot, but buckshot ammunition is sold as it's fairly popular for tracking and putting down injured game (particularly boar) which from a legal perspective doesn't count as hunting and is governed by a different set of rules.
@@countrymankdx200 Hunting wild boar, fallowdear and mufflon here in Sweden is legal to use slug. But not roedeer... There's no common sense on that regulation...
Roe are quite small so the largest shotsize I have used are Dead coyote heavyshot in TT size. The killsone is about as big as an A4 paper and penetration does not requier much. Reach the spine or even just the ribbones close to it and you should be fine. Actually I find that they run further the fewer the shot that hits them. That despite larger woundchanel and passtrough from the larger shot
Many of my friends here in Sweden use half to full chokes. The most common is half... Personally I use a Teague 3/8 choke in my Remington 1100 for all of my hunts with the shotgun! There's no reason what so ever to use a x-full...
In Switzerland we are hunting in fall roes also with the shotgun. We using no. 1 or 2 (4mm or 3.75mm pellets). That works perfect, if you shoot max. 30 meters. They get killed immediately.
Same in finland
Coming from over here in the deep south U.S., we hunt deer driven by dogs and almost always use shotguns with buckshot. Doing this for roe makes perfect sense to me, loved the film!
Thanks Gray. We were surprised how effective it is. / Charlie
At the proper range a shotgun is amazingly effective. My dream is to join a European driven hunt one day. But, until that day, I will enjoy everything y'all post! I am preparing to leave on a week long waterfowl ( wildfowl to you guys across the pond I believe) hunt here in Arkansas USA. But I love everything you guys do at Fieldsports! Cheers to our British parents from over here.😊🇬🇧🇺🇸❤️
@@graycarruth2831 Gary honestly that hunt might not be a far away dream. I live in sweden and i have a Swedish Drever dog. Me and my friends killed 5 deer for him last year and he was still a puppy, less than a year old. So if you want to come over here and hunt with me that can be arranged! But i want to "trade" with you and hunt with you in USA. Im dead serious!
@@DUNDERBERGET What animals do you generally hunt in Sweden? I’m from Minnesota and generally hunt whitetails,turkeys, and ruffed grouse along with a few other species.
Remarkable when you consider we use those loads for geese and they still flap about. Would never have thought of a shotgun for roe without a slug.
Would love some more information on this.
“Micro H-2 will do”
Another great show 👍
Micro H-2 Will do. Happy New Year Charlie to you and the team.
Excellent thanks and Merry Christmas to you all.
what is the kind of bluetooth walkie-talkie ear piece they are using?
Micro H-2 Will do
We shoot duiker with shotguns here in the Western Cape in South Africa even bushbuck but then very, very close.
I'm suprised they're still using shot and not #3/4 buck. I mean I think I'd rather use that if i had a choice between #3 buck and BB shot.
Another great video lads 👍
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I dont think I want to rely on sensory overload to kill even those puny deer. Give me OO buck or a slug.
"Micro H2 will do" Merry Xmas!
Not really sure what "death by sensory overload" even means. They are obviously dead, but could No.2 shot produce hydrostatic shock? I suspect that pellets striking the spine could do that.
Roe deer have a very sensitive central nervous system. Shooting them with large birdshot like US no 1-3 causes a complete overload of the nervous system which leads to instant unconsciousness and loss of cardiovascular function.
The shot doesn't have to hit the spine. As long as the shot is placed in the torso and the shot pattern covers the widest possible area with as many individual pieces of shot as possible making contact the deer will drop dead mid-stride as if it had been hit by lightning, the deer don't even kick or thrash.
The shot doesn't need to hit bone and the pellets rarely penetrate deeper than an inch under the skin under normal conditions.
As far as I know the exact mechanics as to how and why it's so effective are poorly understood by science but the hunting method works remarkably well as long as you don't shoot the deer in the bottom.
The same method should never be implemented against red deer and fallow deer, as it's almost completely ineffective and would therefore be highly unethical.
@@Benny--- Thanks. Yes, I agree and as I said, it obviously works but its "the exact mechanism" that eludes me 😁. There must be some sort of trauma to some part of the CNS either directly or indirectly. Otherwise its magic! And rational as rational people, we dont believe in that do we ? Very interesting all the same.
Micro-h2 we do
Is that really why they call it buckshot
"Micro-H2 will do", please Charley
Were/ wich area in Sweden is this ? Guess southern parts , Småland maybe??
Hi, near Gothenburg. D
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They could have dropped a slug in those guns and I feel like it would have been better
You trade instant death with no meat damage for instant death with an exit wound the size of a panpizza ;)
Max 20 meter on roe using shotguns is generly considered the rule
30meters but in finland we use wolfram you can shoot 70meters with that and instant dead
@@Nollakontsa Wolfram is the name of Tungsten for those who were wondering.
shooting not hunting!
How do you kill a animal without puncturing the skin and vitals
Shock. It's extraordinary. I had heard they can die of 'shock myopathy' - simply being in the presence of a TV vet - seriously - but I didn't know shotguns would have the same effect. / Charlie
Need buckshot
Why not use buck shot
Because you need enough pellets to have enough pattern to produce the shock. The old rules here were at least 100 pellets in the cartridge, usually 2.s.
Against roe in particular birdshot is actually more effective, and hunting roe with buckshot It's not legal in Sweden.
Your options for roe deer are as follows:
A shotgun (20bore or above) loaded with US no 1-3 birdshot, or
A rifle class 2 or greater (.222Rem and above) loaded with expanding ammunition.
So shotgun slugs and buckshots are prohibited for use against roe deer.
In fact you're not allowed to hunt anything with buckshot, but buckshot ammunition is sold as it's fairly popular for tracking and putting down injured game (particularly boar) which from a legal perspective doesn't count as hunting and is governed by a different set of rules.
B G thats is strange because buck shot can be effective on boar too
@@countrymankdx200 Hunting wild boar, fallowdear and mufflon here in Sweden is legal to use slug. But not roedeer... There's no common sense on that regulation...
Roe are quite small so the largest shotsize I have used are Dead coyote heavyshot in TT size. The killsone is about as big as an A4 paper and penetration does not requier much. Reach the spine or even just the ribbones close to it and you should be fine. Actually I find that they run further the fewer the shot that hits them. That despite larger woundchanel and passtrough from the larger shot
Choke???
Real tight. 3/4, full, and extra full are typical for this kind of hunting.
Many of my friends here in Sweden use half to full chokes. The most common is half... Personally I use a Teague 3/8 choke in my Remington 1100 for all of my hunts with the shotgun!
There's no reason what so ever to use a x-full...
@@Benny--- That's not true...
Thank you. Interested in completing the dsc level 1, if better half permits. Some permissions would be suited for the shotgun but the law is the law.
What a terrible shot that guy is ..
Why you are killed this dees
For meat and food duh 🙄
Please stop killing wild animals😥 let them be free they make our universe beautiful 😞
Than how do we get food hm?