@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Mark Cote and I actually tested a Ride in the specialized wind tunnel just a few weeks ago. We were there for other reasons, so we just did this for the laughs. Result: It's not very aero, and also really hard to test since you can't properly mount the front fork to the tunnel plate.
What many people don't know is that it's also quite light which saves even more watts. Although I'd hold out for the motorized e-version to save even more watts. No such thing as too few watts! 🤣
I’ve had mine for two months. It’s already helped improve my real bike’s fit. After I dialed in my Zwift Ride, I took the measurements to my real bike and ended up shortening my stem and slightly raising my saddle. Then winter took a break, I tested the changes on the real bike, and am quite happy. Zwift Ride made it really easy to experiment with setup tweaks. Otherwise, happy to have a way to ride through winter. And I’m watching this video during an indoor ride now! I’ll start the FTP program here soon.
I‘ve had my Zwift Ride since the end of August 2024 and have been riding 5-6 times a week since then. I absolutely love it and I absolutely love the gamification. I was already very healthy but am now even healthier with regard to cardio-fitness. Moreover, I‘ve lost a few kilos since riding. The price is absolutely justified, Zwifting is completed addictive and totally motivating. The only „con“ I have are the handlebars, which can be somewhat uncomfortable during 50km-100km rides. Corrosive sweat on the frame? Not here, I drape a medium-sized towel over the frame and have another small towel on top of that to wipe sweat off of my face. I use the Zwift ride with my iPad Pro and my iPhone for the Zwift companion app. Nice review, very informative and yes the frame can wobble a bit to the right during a hard and fast sprint.
@vmxd nope. You don’t even really need to touch your computer or iPad or Apple TV after you launch Zwift, as you can do everything (except type messages) with the Ride buttons.
Two quick clarifications on the stability: Many folks asked on Instagram about it, with the head tube column being the point of concern. 1. That part, and the front end, are just as stable as a normal bike on a trainer, if not more so. 2. The Kickr Core is perfectly workable as a trainer, and unless you're intentionally trying to get it to move like I was, or going bananas on a sprint, you'll be fine. Compared to the Wattbike or Stages indoor bike options - which are tanks - this thing is considerably less stable. It's also a little less stable than the main Kickr with a normal bike on it. Bottom line: I've been happy using this thing and it's not a concern - I just want to show my experience so if you do buy it you aren't surprised.
Great review Ben. The only thing I dislike with mine is that when I rest my hands on the hoods, a la my road bike, I always inadvertently hit the orange steering/brake buttons. Other than that, a solid and cost effective choice.
I like mine. I have it at my girlfriend’s house to train when I’m there. I switched out the handlebar to a narrower one that I had on hand and put a Fizik Arione saddle to replace the awful one that it came with. I didn’t find it as wobbly as you, maybe the surface contributes to that? I don’t sweat a lot, so I never have sweat pooling either, but I have my fan offset to the right and it angles in so that the breeze isn’t blocked. I bought the iPad holder to use Zwift through it. This way, it’s quick to get started, just plug in the Kickr Core and start the controllers and iPad - less than a minute, as opposed to my 2018 Kickr/Climb that I have go through a laptop plugged into a tv and ANT+ adapter. My home setup can be quite the process just to get started.
Got one about a month ago and have enjoyed it. As someone without a stable of bikes, I enjoy not having the back and forth of putting my bike on and taking off the trainer, especially in Colorado where we can get some beautiful days in the winter. Agree the front end feels a bit cheap, but pros for me outweigh the cons. Also have mine strapped on a rocker board so don't have the wobble. Overall very happy.
I’ve had mine for about 3 weeks now and I absolutely love it! I don’t have any cons for it honestly . It’s perfect for me because I didn’t have skills mechanically so I’m glad to not have to worry about a cassette. Everything about it is perfect. I really enjoy it I don’t find that it wobbles really at all. It does have some flex but that’s a good thing. I keep a towel over my back, and put a hand town over the frame to catch sweat or wipe the handles. Along with those and a fan, I have no issues with sweat and I sweat a lot.
Im liking mine, I can’t say I have that wonkiness with my Zwift hub one that I can tell. Great dedicated option this winter season to make training inside a little less daunting
Belts excel for casual outdoor use, where the user doesn't want to be bothered with cleaning the chain. Indoors, the chain experiences much less contamination, so even a neglected chain can last quite a bit. Taking also into account that a big part of Zwift is racing, where a good power transfer is important, I don't see Zwift going in that direction anytime soon
@@CornholioTP2 the Wahoo KICKR Bike is belt drive though, so how is that not an issue? Also not to mention that there is a belt inside of the KICKR shown in this video...
@@CornholioTP2belts are more efficient at higher power output. According to Friction Facts (now called ZeroFrictionCycling) the crossover point happens when the tension on the chain increases beyond the basic belt preload tension, usually around 200W So serious racers would benefit more than casuals.
I bought one just two months ago and have also logged 500miles on it. I had shoulder surgery just prior to buying it so its ability to move the bars way up and way back gave me the ability to create a very upright position that although wasn't overly efficient, did allow me to ride "one armed" until I gained some functionality back in my shoulder. I would say as a whole its a good value for the money that I will continue to use even after full rehab is achieved.
I've had mine since September, and I love it. I only have one bike, and I love having a simple, dedicated rig just for indoor riding. I looked at the Wahoo bikes, and they're much more expensive and far heavier. DC Rainmaker said that the Zwift Ride should meet the needs of most people. I tend to agree. Going forward, if Zwift allows folks to choose crank and handlebar lengths when they order, it's a no brainer. As always, thanks for the review, Ben. I'm glad your shoulder is so much better!
Cool. Thanks for sharing your experience. I realize I neglected to mention that you can swap out the bars. Not as easy as buying to fit, but doable. The cranks, however, you're kinda stuck with. I agree that, for most folks who don't already have a trainer, it's a solid plug-n-play solution. Shoulder is still a work in progress but I'm able to ride, which is huge. Thank you.
I recently purchased and received the Zwift Ride frame and handlebars, but I opted to get the Jetblack Victory instead of the Kicker. I am still waiting on the Victory trainer, last I heard it had already docked in California. So, I'll be zwifting soon after taking a break (from Zwift) for a couple of years. Thanks for your Zride input!
I'm overall satisfied with mine, but it fit my situation well. Long story short, space and convenience. - I don't have a spare bike, using my sole bike wasn't an option, and felt purchasing a used bike for the trainer would be an equal hassle to just buying the frame (finding the correct size, dealing with with FB market place, changing stem lengths etc.). - I ruled out a nicer dedicated trainer like the KICKR Bike due to price, larger footprint, and not breaking down for storage like the Zwift Ride (very important, I don't have a dedicate pain cave.) - I was also interested in being able to use it between multiple people, but since my partner needed their own Zwift account and they aren't that dedicated of a cyclist this became a moot reason.
Thanks for the Video! I’ve had one a couple of months. My main thoughts are that the hoods aren’t as comfortable as real hoods - too hard and an odd shape - and the gear shifting buttons aren’t great. If they’d made it with Shimano Di2 or SRAM like shifters it would be perfect. But works for me as it has its own space and I never have to take it apart, and I don’t worry about the sweat.
I purchased the the Zwift Ride frame as soon as it became available separately and it changed my indoor experience completely! Two big pluses; virtual shifting eliminates the excessive chain noise that occurs when shifting away from the center of a wide ratio cassette, not having to deal with the wheel removal and on/off setup of getting my gravel bike onto the Kickr Core. The upgrades I made to my Ride include replacing the Zwift handlebars with ones that match the width/drop/flare of my gravel bike, and replacing the tape with Wolftooth cushy tape.
I received one of these recently but haven't yet gotten on it yet as I'm building out my little indoor bike space. Very soon ready to hit the "road". Chose this forseveral reasons but primarily so the entire family can use it.
I think this is a really solid value proposition for those of us with only one bike, or who want to save on space and convenience when sharing with a partner. Currently don't take advantage of the occasional nice weather as it's too much of a pain to take the bike off the trainer for one ride. Similarly, my girlfriend wants to up the training but would be annoying to constantly switch bikes, or invest the money and space of a 2nd setup. Heavily considering picking the Frame alone for my current Kickr Core to allow us to head outdoors on our bikes at a moments notice, and also share the same setup with only a few tweaks of the bars, saddle.
When I bought a Core earlier this year I also thought that it would be a pain to get my bike on and off it as I don't have the room for a permanent setup so I have to do this for every indoor ride. But it's amazingly easy, easier even than a wheel-on trainer. Sure, the additional step of removing the wheel and then putting it back on is a pain, but each takes just a few seconds too. It helps to wax, so you don't have to worry about grease tattoos. Of course, everyone has a different experience with all this and this is just me.
Love mine, sold my tacx neo 2t Smooth and quiet , virtual shifting took a second to get use to but is pretty cool. Like the way it looks all good on my end. Use erg mode on trainer road no worries but spend must of the time on zwift.
I've had the Play controllers but braking has never worked for me. Is there some setting I have to set or does it only work in certain situations, like races and events? So far I've only done routes and workouts. It would be nice to be able to brake occasionally to be able to sit on someone's wheel instead of zooming past them.
it's quite expensive for a few alu (or steel?) tubes.... for me it makes more sense to buy a few years old road bike for ~300-500 bucks, and you can use it as commuting bike later as well.
Seems like a great purchase if you can spare the cash, want and have the room for a permanent setup, don't want to mess with installing and removing one of your outdoor bikes for every training session, there are others in your household who also want to ride indoors and have different speed bikes, and are ok riding in sim mode only in Zwift and only in erg mode on other platforms. Lots of caveats there but it still encompasses a lot of people. I don't have the room for a permanent setup and don't mind installing and removing my one and only bike in my one rider household, so I'm the opposite of the target audience for this, although I get the convenience of a permanent setup and if I had the room for one I'd definitely consider it, but probably end up installing a less frequently used bike on it.
Nice review. As with any product V2 is probably worth waiting for if you can so that all this kind of input and feedback can be taken on board and adjusted for. Brakes are really handy for sticking with pace bots - or slowing up to rejoin after doing a sprint and not losing your drops multiplier. Also handy in actual races for staying in draft if you find yourself drifting towards front of pack, or for tactically dropping back for sprint attacks and you dont want to be in the wind too soon.
Side note: Steering is a huge benefit in Zwift racing. It's so great that steering is disabled in the ZRL races, as it's too much of a benefit for those who have it versus those who don't.
@@DittersGustav a few benefits - (1) you can adjust your position in the bunch to maintain a better draft. I use the Sauce for Zwift addon and you can display on the screen your drafting % (or watts saved metric) and being able to move from the edge back to the middle of the bunch increases your draft efficiency. (2) if you sprint, you can be cheeky and steer to the side at the start of the sprint so those who don't have steering can't draft off your wheel. That's harder to do in the heat of the moment and I forget to do it half the time but it's a handy trick for the sprint that might get a few complaints from those without steering. For the racing I do with steering disabled, I have to work harder (or less) to stay in the perfect draft, rather than drifting to the edge of the bunch, where there's less draft.
In recent years I've only done ZRL races and not the general open races, and honestly I kinda appreciate not having to think about left/right positioning. I should probably try some open races with steering. Thanks.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney in some ways the steering disabled really forces you to focus on your position via your power. If you're pushing out too many watts, you will drift to the edge of the bunch so you have to drop the watts to come back into the middle, back into that perfect draft. I kinda like that aspect but steering is so good to have in the racing.
I've thought the same thing. Basically like a rod that goes in place of the steerer tube with solid rings instead of headset bearings. Nothing to rust out, and more stable
I have a second road bike I use specifically for online virtual riding. I like the feel of my bike on the wahoo kickr. I tried the zwift bike for a week, but returned it. Just didn't like the feel of it, too stiff.
I use it for trainerroad and absolutely fine...obvs using erg mode...not sure why you'd be that bothered about shifting unless using Zwift which i also use etc etc...also to add the bike is bloody amazing....like it feels like a real bike and with the chain gives you that feeling....love mine and it doesn't rock at all unless you really want it too..I think the spongy flooring doesn't help....probs get a different fan and have it to the side rather than the front and probs have a towel to mop up sweat....like your always going to sweat indoors.......all these small things are easily rectified and its a £1260 bike and not a $100000,000000 road bike with internal routing and options for cranks etc etc
so only using ERG mode for trainerroad isn't in any way an inhibitor for training? I would want to buy this for use basically exclusively with trainerroad and can't really find a review for that specific application.
Hi, i have 3 setups. Zwift ride, wahoo kickr bike shift and my Trek Domane on wahoo kickr. Some comments I fully agree, some I don't fully agree wrt your pros n cons and where you sometimes compare with a bike, and sometimes with other indoor training bikes. 1. The snack pad blocking wind? Sure but most ppl I know use a big towel over the hood, for sure blocking wind even more. It's Why I use 2 front fans, blowing diagonal towards me. 2. Adjusting to other family members is 100% easier on the Ride, vs kickr bike or any similar bike. 3. You say it's heavy? It's super light vs other indoor training bikes. It's the main reason I bought it. So I could put it on the hook, back of my car to my summer house so my whole family could still do some zone2 while on holiday. Try to put any other indoor training bike on the hook, or even carry it to the car. I don't wanna be negative, just give the other perspectives that 100% of all Zwift ride reviews missed so far. First time on your channel. I enjoyed it a lot. Thank you ❤
I just bought a Wahoo Shift and am pretty happy with it after about 300 miles. What's your take in comparing the two? Do you have a preference? Glad to see you recovered and back to it again, Ben!
Thanks for the video! I hang mine with my other bikes like it’s just another bike. I don’t have room to leave it out, but it takes five minutes from grabbing it to riding. You’ve got to find the sweet spot for pivoting, it’s heavy but you get used to it. Are you sure that the legs are setup correctly? I don’t have a tipping problem at all, sprinting or otherwise, maybe it’s the trainer legs. The v2 cog is more quiet and you can get a perfect chain line since it’s adjustable. Thanks again for the video! Take care.
Very useful review, gave me a lot to think about. You mentioned switching Zwift pace partners mid-ride. I don't have a Zwift Ride, but I would really like to know how to do this. I can't find anything online. Do you have a link or more info on how to do this? Thanks.
Use teleporting on the in-ride menu. You can do this on a keyboard or with the companion app. Info here: support.zwift.com/en_us/teleporting-in-zwift-ByCwOYCUn
I am considering getting the Ride too, my question is how good is the virtual gearing? I know it simulates Shimano or Sram 2x10, but I am riding mostly mullets 40T chaining and SRAM 10-52 cassette.
Very nice review. Do we need to have monthly recurring subscription with Zwift to use the bike or comes free with the full bike $1299 purchase. If not how much MRC for Zwift subscription. Thanks
Solid review. Thanks for pointing out the instability of the bike, especially under a big sprint. That's a deal breaker for me and it's kinda crazy how they have the legs off-centre like that, causing unnecessary instability. I'll stick with my heavy elite drivo trainer and backup road bike setup for Zwift.
I'm setting up a new garage with many bikes - what is the mounting system you use that allows you to swing the bike sideways to create more space? Thanks for your channel - really enjoy it.
Shoulder recovery is still a work in progress! I'm a little hesitant to do a video on it because I'm medically ignorant. I can say that if you're looking for a winter project, I don't recommend pulverizing your humerus... 😀
Actually it should be fine on trainer road because it works with erg mode. Definitely not for virtual riding on ROUVY or TPVirtual. But if I was to upgrade, I’d just use an older bike, and if I wanted to do Zwift get the cog for an acceptable trainer.
Bike fit around here costs ~$400/bike/person. I suppose you could buy this thing, dial in your fit - and if you love it, keep it (particularly if you're a Zwifty). If you don't, you could re-sell it. My spouse and I have never been fitted, but could probably benefit from it - so this thing would virtually pay for itself.
Hello All, Can i change the gears without open ZWIFT App ? Can I use all this setup like offline training bike ? Without ZWIFT subscription ? All these activities will be visible on my Garmin ?
Sort of - you can definitely change handlebars but the super-wide stem is part of the bike. There is a separate tablet holder that is not shown in the video.
Perhaps that exacerbates it. I should have shown it on concrete but the thing is heavy and my shoulder is busted and excuses, excuses... I should also have shown comparative footage of me doing the same side-to-side movement on other trainers and smart bikes. As you know, for normal riding it's totally fine; I was just trying to contextualize it against other options and perhaps overemphasized that part.
I can think of 2 times when breaking on zwift would be beneficial. In group rides with offense there are times you go for a sprint and exceed the fence and it's difficult to coast and get back to the group before getting kicked out. Second you can't switch over bikes if you're on a multi surface race until you are stopped. I think zwift missed the boat on this with 2 things it should have been a belt drive and it should have adjustable crank length. Time will tell the durability of controllers, electronics and water no good. Elite has the square smart bike, but a very slow on roll out. But it ticks a few more boxes.
my Zwift ride is still in the box and awaiting the Jetblack Victory that should be here by the end of December. Will be retiring my old rim brake race bike and the Tacx Flux..which I always found noisy. Hoping to use these to have a strong offseason! Thanks for the review Ben.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Good to hear. I had a minor cuts & scrapes tip over a couple months ago, how do you deal with the post-crash PTSD? I'm oddly still feeling.a little unsteady.
The setup is wobbly with the Core, which has a mediocre base, compared to the Kickr V1-6 and Kickr Move, which are much better platforms. BTW, you look like James Woods
2:19 thanks Ben, for the fifteen minutes back. What Zwift were thinking launching this thing with only a 170mm crank length option, goodness only knows. I’ll be sticking to my Kickr Bike.
Yep. Equip it with adjustable cranks and it's not only far more useful, especially for households with riders of different dimensions and capabilities, but effectively a cheap bike fit machine, with nearly everything but handlebar width and frame size and angles being adjustable.
@@MITaerobike Why has no one made adjustable cranks for outdoor riding? Just beef up the arms a bit and drill and tap a few more holes, ranging from 165mm to 170mm, which is the range that most people use. Sure, it'll be clumsier and heavier than fixed length cranks but no one will force you to buy one if you're happy with your crank length.
@@HabaneroTi There are a few that have but they never stick around. Fashion, weight, and lack of need. An indoor bike needs to serve a lot of potential people and is largely designed for multiple users with differing bike fits so adjustable cranks can make sense. For outdoor, once you know what you want, it's better to just have your go to crank arm length on the bike and not carry around the extra weight required to have adjustability.
@@MITaerobike I guess it would be like adjustable stems, which I suppose serve a purpose in that you might want to adjust the stem height and extension depending on the kind of riding you intend to do that day and how you're feeling. Perhaps there's less of such a need for crank length, so I can see why it might not make sense to make them. But there's still a need to experiment with various lengths while first fitting one's bike, and perhaps every few years as you get older and your body and riding needs change. I assume that all decent bike fitting machines allow for crank length adjustment?
It being wobbly seems misleading for most. I’m almost 100 kg and race regularly, sprinting over 1000 watts. I’ve never had an issue with any kind of rocking.
Seems like an oversight that they didn't include the front Zwift fork attachment that raises and lowers with elevation. Not only that, you can't hook it to this if you have one. Also why didn't they just make the bottom bracket STD sizing so you could put any bearings/cranks in there you wanted. Also why don't they just use their add-on controllers with THIS unit? They already make them and then they're REPLACEABLE. If these fail, you're screwed. Great planned obsolescence. Short sighted companies waste so much money trying to cheat customers only to find they have to redo it because no one bought them.
500 miles on this thing? Better YOU than me! I guess if you live in Siberia or are injured, OK. Rode on rollers during the pandemic but those are collecting dust in the attic...I hope FOREVER!
Let me see. $800 for a frame that only works with select trainers and one app? 😂 no as usual zwift misses the mark and shows they have no idea how to make money. I want a bike frame for my saris trainer. However I am not buying a zwift ride because I am not replacing either of my saris trainers. I also don’t use zwift anymore since there price hikes. So instead of making money on me on at least the bike they loose out completely. Now they done sell me the zwift ride or zwift the app. They could have at least sold me one of them.
I just don't get the whole video game/trainer thing. We all spend too much time staring at screens, why add more? Just ride outdoors, or use a rollers or an old school trainer.
In a word...No I am down my basement, as there is 1.6 metres of snow outside and I want to ride. After two decades on rollers, two more on a Cateye trainer and over ten years on a Tacx, I thought, wouldn't it be nice to have a dedicated trainer. My first mistake. For a proper experience, one must replicate the same set-up as the bikes you actually ride. They advertised amazing adaptability in that regard, but forgot there are riders out there who prefer (or need) shallow seat angles. (Hinault's coach set me up a (very) long time ago and pushing the saddle back for me decreased my 15 kilometre times 30 seconds the first week and ultimately a minute in one season, breaking provincial records and a few US ones in the process ... I am not changing my position for a bike. A bike must adapt to the rider) I can not adjust the saddle far enough to the rear, so I threw out the Swift saddle, that is reminiscent of a hardware store commuter bike and substituted an old Flyte that widens farther back on the rails, which helped a little, but not enough. Then I had to disassemble the entire clamping device and take a file to it, so the rails could slide farther back. Even still, it does not replicate any of my other bikes. Even with the steep seat angles of my Colnagos, I can get far enough rearward with no issue. It appear they placed the clamping mechanism essentially in line with where a traditional seat tube would be and therefore replicates a zero setback post. Sorry, but any cyclist knows that is why there are multiple setback seatposts available. Then there is the shifting. I have used Campagnolo since the 1960's (okay and Zeus 2000 for a few years and Dura-Ace 10mm pitch on my track bikes) but even my current wireless groupsets still use the same ergonomics ... right hand rear derailleur, left hand front...(However I do miss the thumb shifter). I still can't get used to the Shimano style, but the SRAM makes no functional sense what so ever ... they say they are emulating a race car (or my Giulia), but car ergonomics are irrelevant to a bicycle!). You have two styles of shifting, so why not the third. And quietness ... listen to an old, or new, set of Boras, or Shamals .. for indoor training, quietness is important. It is also unstable. As an architect, we recognise good design is one that is functional, not just aesthetically pleasing. It appears they wanted a wow factor with the single leg fork...wrong. Not to mention the load is now transmitted onto a single point in the front, destroying my rubber training pad. It weights too much to move around easily, I could go on, but in my opinion I wasted a full two thousand dollars for something that is ill conceived. I am back alternating between my old Tacx and Cateye trainers, while the SWIFT is new, but gathering dust.
This bike was tested at the Silverstone wind tunnel and will save you 15 watts over a traditionally shaped indoor cycle.
I’m going to bring you in for future answers. That was way better than mine.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Mark Cote and I actually tested a Ride in the specialized wind tunnel just a few weeks ago. We were there for other reasons, so we just did this for the laughs.
Result: It's not very aero, and also really hard to test since you can't properly mount the front fork to the tunnel plate.
What many people don't know is that it's also quite light which saves even more watts. Although I'd hold out for the motorized e-version to save even more watts. No such thing as too few watts! 🤣
With my indoor aero socks I’m bumping up a solid grade
Add the optional carbon aero bars and its even quicker
I’ve had mine for two months. It’s already helped improve my real bike’s fit. After I dialed in my Zwift Ride, I took the measurements to my real bike and ended up shortening my stem and slightly raising my saddle. Then winter took a break, I tested the changes on the real bike, and am quite happy. Zwift Ride made it really easy to experiment with setup tweaks.
Otherwise, happy to have a way to ride through winter. And I’m watching this video during an indoor ride now! I’ll start the FTP program here soon.
I‘ve had my Zwift Ride since the end of August 2024 and have been riding 5-6 times a week since then. I absolutely love it and I absolutely love the gamification. I was already very healthy but am now even healthier with regard to cardio-fitness. Moreover, I‘ve lost a few kilos since riding. The price is absolutely justified, Zwifting is completed addictive and totally motivating. The only „con“ I have are the handlebars, which can be somewhat uncomfortable during 50km-100km rides. Corrosive sweat on the frame? Not here, I drape a medium-sized towel over the frame and have another small towel on top of that to wipe sweat off of my face. I use the Zwift ride with my iPad Pro and my iPhone for the Zwift companion app. Nice review, very informative and yes the frame can wobble a bit to the right during a hard and fast sprint.
do you have to use Companion app to connect HRM?
@vmxd nope. You don’t even really need to touch your computer or iPad or Apple TV after you launch Zwift, as you can do everything (except type messages) with the Ride buttons.
Two quick clarifications on the stability: Many folks asked on Instagram about it, with the head tube column being the point of concern. 1. That part, and the front end, are just as stable as a normal bike on a trainer, if not more so. 2. The Kickr Core is perfectly workable as a trainer, and unless you're intentionally trying to get it to move like I was, or going bananas on a sprint, you'll be fine. Compared to the Wattbike or Stages indoor bike options - which are tanks - this thing is considerably less stable. It's also a little less stable than the main Kickr with a normal bike on it.
Bottom line: I've been happy using this thing and it's not a concern - I just want to show my experience so if you do buy it you aren't surprised.
Great review Ben. The only thing I dislike with mine is that when I rest my hands on the hoods, a la my road bike, I always inadvertently hit the orange steering/brake buttons. Other than that, a solid and cost effective choice.
I like mine. I have it at my girlfriend’s house to train when I’m there. I switched out the handlebar to a narrower one that I had on hand and put a Fizik Arione saddle to replace the awful one that it came with. I didn’t find it as wobbly as you, maybe the surface contributes to that? I don’t sweat a lot, so I never have sweat pooling either, but I have my fan offset to the right and it angles in so that the breeze isn’t blocked. I bought the iPad holder to use Zwift through it. This way, it’s quick to get started, just plug in the Kickr Core and start the controllers and iPad - less than a minute, as opposed to my 2018 Kickr/Climb that I have go through a laptop plugged into a tv and ANT+ adapter. My home setup can be quite the process just to get started.
Got one about a month ago and have enjoyed it. As someone without a stable of bikes, I enjoy not having the back and forth of putting my bike on and taking off the trainer, especially in Colorado where we can get some beautiful days in the winter. Agree the front end feels a bit cheap, but pros for me outweigh the cons. Also have mine strapped on a rocker board so don't have the wobble. Overall very happy.
I’ve had mine for about 3 weeks now and I absolutely love it! I don’t have any cons for it honestly . It’s perfect for me because I didn’t have skills mechanically so I’m glad to not have to worry about a cassette. Everything about it is perfect. I really enjoy it
I don’t find that it wobbles really at all. It does have some flex but that’s a good thing. I keep a towel over my back, and put a hand town over the frame to catch sweat or wipe the handles. Along with those and a fan, I have no issues with sweat and I sweat a lot.
Im liking mine, I can’t say I have that wonkiness with my Zwift hub one that I can tell. Great dedicated option this winter season to make training inside a little less daunting
The next version should definitely go with a belt instead of the chain. I would absolutely buy one for my wife then.
Belts excel for casual outdoor use, where the user doesn't want to be bothered with cleaning the chain. Indoors, the chain experiences much less contamination, so even a neglected chain can last quite a bit. Taking also into account that a big part of Zwift is racing, where a good power transfer is important, I don't see Zwift going in that direction anytime soon
@@CornholioTP2 the Wahoo KICKR Bike is belt drive though, so how is that not an issue? Also not to mention that there is a belt inside of the KICKR shown in this video...
@@CornholioTP2belts are more efficient at higher power output. According to Friction Facts (now called ZeroFrictionCycling) the crossover point happens when the tension on the chain increases beyond the basic belt preload tension, usually around 200W
So serious racers would benefit more than casuals.
watching for the Elite Square to come out in the next couple months for this reason amongst others. highly prefer a belt drive for the indoor trainer.
I bought one just two months ago and have also logged 500miles on it. I had shoulder surgery just prior to buying it so its ability to move the bars way up and way back gave me the ability to create a very upright position that although wasn't overly efficient, did allow me to ride "one armed" until I gained some functionality back in my shoulder. I would say as a whole its a good value for the money that I will continue to use even after full rehab is achieved.
We are twinning. Sorry to hear about the surgery. Thank you for sharing your experience.
I've had mine since September, and I love it. I only have one bike, and I love having a simple, dedicated rig just for indoor riding. I looked at the Wahoo bikes, and they're much more expensive and far heavier. DC Rainmaker said that the Zwift Ride should meet the needs of most people. I tend to agree. Going forward, if Zwift allows folks to choose crank and handlebar lengths when they order, it's a no brainer. As always, thanks for the review, Ben. I'm glad your shoulder is so much better!
Cool. Thanks for sharing your experience. I realize I neglected to mention that you can swap out the bars. Not as easy as buying to fit, but doable. The cranks, however, you're kinda stuck with. I agree that, for most folks who don't already have a trainer, it's a solid plug-n-play solution. Shoulder is still a work in progress but I'm able to ride, which is huge. Thank you.
any easier to ride out saddle than with roadbike on this hub?
@@nic9972The frame is stout, so it's very stable. You can really hammer.
I recently purchased and received the Zwift Ride frame and handlebars, but I opted to get the Jetblack Victory instead of the Kicker. I am still waiting on the Victory trainer, last I heard it had already docked in California. So, I'll be zwifting soon after taking a break (from Zwift) for a couple of years. Thanks for your Zride input!
Thanks for the review, Ben. Great work you did! It answered all my questions.
I'm overall satisfied with mine, but it fit my situation well. Long story short, space and convenience.
- I don't have a spare bike, using my sole bike wasn't an option, and felt purchasing a used bike for the trainer would be an equal hassle to just buying the frame (finding the correct size, dealing with with FB market place, changing stem lengths etc.).
- I ruled out a nicer dedicated trainer like the KICKR Bike due to price, larger footprint, and not breaking down for storage like the Zwift Ride (very important, I don't have a dedicate pain cave.)
- I was also interested in being able to use it between multiple people, but since my partner needed their own Zwift account and they aren't that dedicated of a cyclist this became a moot reason.
Cool. Thanks for sharing. I think points 1 and 2 are pretty common.
Thanks for the Video!
I’ve had one a couple of months.
My main thoughts are that the hoods aren’t as comfortable as real hoods - too hard and an odd shape - and the gear shifting buttons aren’t great.
If they’d made it with Shimano Di2 or SRAM like shifters it would be perfect.
But works for me as it has its own space and I never have to take it apart, and I don’t worry about the sweat.
I purchased the the Zwift Ride frame as soon as it became available separately and it changed my indoor experience completely! Two big pluses; virtual shifting eliminates the excessive chain noise that occurs when shifting away from the center of a wide ratio cassette, not having to deal with the wheel removal and on/off setup of getting my gravel bike onto the Kickr Core. The upgrades I made to my Ride include replacing the Zwift handlebars with ones that match the width/drop/flare of my gravel bike, and replacing the tape with Wolftooth cushy tape.
Cool. Thanks for sharing your experience. I realize that I neglected to mention that you can swap bars, so thanks for addressing that.
I received one of these recently but haven't yet gotten on it yet as I'm building out my little indoor bike space. Very soon ready to hit the "road". Chose this forseveral reasons but primarily so the entire family can use it.
I love mine. Easy for my partner and I to swap our sizes in a few seconds vs having to remount full bikes
I think this is a really solid value proposition for those of us with only one bike, or who want to save on space and convenience when sharing with a partner. Currently don't take advantage of the occasional nice weather as it's too much of a pain to take the bike off the trainer for one ride. Similarly, my girlfriend wants to up the training but would be annoying to constantly switch bikes, or invest the money and space of a 2nd setup. Heavily considering picking the Frame alone for my current Kickr Core to allow us to head outdoors on our bikes at a moments notice, and also share the same setup with only a few tweaks of the bars, saddle.
When I bought a Core earlier this year I also thought that it would be a pain to get my bike on and off it as I don't have the room for a permanent setup so I have to do this for every indoor ride. But it's amazingly easy, easier even than a wheel-on trainer. Sure, the additional step of removing the wheel and then putting it back on is a pain, but each takes just a few seconds too. It helps to wax, so you don't have to worry about grease tattoos. Of course, everyone has a different experience with all this and this is just me.
And if you do have the space you can get two zwift rides for the price of one "smart bike".
Love mine, sold my tacx neo 2t Smooth and quiet , virtual shifting took a second to get use to but is pretty cool. Like the way it looks all good on my end. Use erg mode on trainer road no worries but spend must of the time on zwift.
I got one and I absolutely love mine
Braking is handy for meet-ups and to stay with groups when you've got perhaps more power output, weight, or aerodynamic advantage!
Ah, good point. 👍
I've had the Play controllers but braking has never worked for me. Is there some setting I have to set or does it only work in certain situations, like races and events? So far I've only done routes and workouts. It would be nice to be able to brake occasionally to be able to sit on someone's wheel instead of zooming past them.
it's quite expensive for a few alu (or steel?) tubes.... for me it makes more sense to buy a few years old road bike for ~300-500 bucks, and you can use it as commuting bike later as well.
Seems like a great purchase if you can spare the cash, want and have the room for a permanent setup, don't want to mess with installing and removing one of your outdoor bikes for every training session, there are others in your household who also want to ride indoors and have different speed bikes, and are ok riding in sim mode only in Zwift and only in erg mode on other platforms. Lots of caveats there but it still encompasses a lot of people.
I don't have the room for a permanent setup and don't mind installing and removing my one and only bike in my one rider household, so I'm the opposite of the target audience for this, although I get the convenience of a permanent setup and if I had the room for one I'd definitely consider it, but probably end up installing a less frequently used bike on it.
Nice review. As with any product V2 is probably worth waiting for if you can so that all this kind of input and feedback can be taken on board and adjusted for.
Brakes are really handy for sticking with pace bots - or slowing up to rejoin after doing a sprint and not losing your drops multiplier. Also handy in actual races for staying in draft if you find yourself drifting towards front of pack, or for tactically dropping back for sprint attacks and you dont want to be in the wind too soon.
Side note: Steering is a huge benefit in Zwift racing. It's so great that steering is disabled in the ZRL races, as it's too much of a benefit for those who have it versus those who don't.
Honest question, how does it help in racing? (I've only used zwift a few times, without it)
Taking the inside line (shorten the distance travelled) and instantly getting behind any rider you want.
@@DittersGustav a few benefits - (1) you can adjust your position in the bunch to maintain a better draft. I use the Sauce for Zwift addon and you can display on the screen your drafting % (or watts saved metric) and being able to move from the edge back to the middle of the bunch increases your draft efficiency. (2) if you sprint, you can be cheeky and steer to the side at the start of the sprint so those who don't have steering can't draft off your wheel. That's harder to do in the heat of the moment and I forget to do it half the time but it's a handy trick for the sprint that might get a few complaints from those without steering. For the racing I do with steering disabled, I have to work harder (or less) to stay in the perfect draft, rather than drifting to the edge of the bunch, where there's less draft.
In recent years I've only done ZRL races and not the general open races, and honestly I kinda appreciate not having to think about left/right positioning. I should probably try some open races with steering. Thanks.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney in some ways the steering disabled really forces you to focus on your position via your power. If you're pushing out too many watts, you will drift to the edge of the bunch so you have to drop the watts to come back into the middle, back into that perfect draft. I kinda like that aspect but steering is so good to have in the racing.
Some kind of fork only option to convert any frame into a dedicated indoor rig would be a product I'd be interested in
Can't you just do that now? You can take any old bike and put it on a wahoo trainer and zwift cog.
I've thought the same thing. Basically like a rod that goes in place of the steerer tube with solid rings instead of headset bearings. Nothing to rust out, and more stable
I have a second road bike I use specifically for online virtual riding. I like the feel of my bike on the wahoo kickr. I tried the zwift bike for a week, but returned it. Just didn't like the feel of it, too stiff.
I use it for trainerroad and absolutely fine...obvs using erg mode...not sure why you'd be that bothered about shifting unless using Zwift which i also use etc etc...also to add the bike is bloody amazing....like it feels like a real bike and with the chain gives you that feeling....love mine and it doesn't rock at all unless you really want it too..I think the spongy flooring doesn't help....probs get a different fan and have it to the side rather than the front and probs have a towel to mop up sweat....like your always going to sweat indoors.......all these small things are easily rectified and its a £1260 bike and not a $100000,000000 road bike with internal routing and options for cranks etc etc
so only using ERG mode for trainerroad isn't in any way an inhibitor for training? I would want to buy this for use basically exclusively with trainerroad and can't really find a review for that specific application.
Hi, i have 3 setups. Zwift ride, wahoo kickr bike shift and my Trek Domane on wahoo kickr. Some comments I fully agree, some I don't fully agree wrt your pros n cons and where you sometimes compare with a bike, and sometimes with other indoor training bikes.
1. The snack pad blocking wind? Sure but most ppl I know use a big towel over the hood, for sure blocking wind even more. It's Why I use 2 front fans, blowing diagonal towards me.
2. Adjusting to other family members is 100% easier on the Ride, vs kickr bike or any similar bike.
3. You say it's heavy? It's super light vs other indoor training bikes. It's the main reason I bought it. So I could put it on the hook, back of my car to my summer house so my whole family could still do some zone2 while on holiday. Try to put any other indoor training bike on the hook, or even carry it to the car.
I don't wanna be negative, just give the other perspectives that 100% of all Zwift ride reviews missed so far. First time on your channel. I enjoyed it a lot. Thank you ❤
All good! Thanks for sharing your experience.
I just bought a Wahoo Shift and am pretty happy with it after about 300 miles. What's your take in comparing the two? Do you have a preference? Glad to see you recovered and back to it again, Ben!
The idea of having an adjustable "fit" bike is appealing, to dial in your fit.
Loved your video! I have to say that the frame is not that heavy! It's not light like your other bikes...but nowhere near 60 lbs.
Thanks for the video! I hang mine with my other bikes like it’s just another bike. I don’t have room to leave it out, but it takes five minutes from grabbing it to riding. You’ve got to find the sweet spot for pivoting, it’s heavy but you get used to it. Are you sure that the legs are setup correctly? I don’t have a tipping problem at all, sprinting or otherwise, maybe it’s the trainer legs. The v2 cog is more quiet and you can get a perfect chain line since it’s adjustable. Thanks again for the video! Take care.
Very useful review, gave me a lot to think about. You mentioned switching Zwift pace partners mid-ride. I don't have a Zwift Ride, but I would really like to know how to do this. I can't find anything online. Do you have a link or more info on how to do this? Thanks.
Use teleporting on the in-ride menu. You can do this on a keyboard or with the companion app. Info here: support.zwift.com/en_us/teleporting-in-zwift-ByCwOYCUn
The shifting and cranks were deal-breakers. Thanks for addressing them early. I watched the rest of the video anyway.
I am considering getting the Ride too, my question is how good is the virtual gearing? I know it simulates Shimano or Sram 2x10, but I am riding mostly mullets 40T chaining and SRAM 10-52 cassette.
It works quite well. Quick and quiet and you can shift under power. And since it is virtual, there are no cables or derailleurs to have to mess with.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney just placed my order, I hope it will help me to keep my legs in shape during the winter season 😄
Very nice review. Do we need to have monthly recurring subscription with Zwift to use the bike or comes free with the full bike $1299 purchase. If not how much MRC for Zwift subscription. Thanks
Great info, thank you.
great review
Solid review. Thanks for pointing out the instability of the bike, especially under a big sprint. That's a deal breaker for me and it's kinda crazy how they have the legs off-centre like that, causing unnecessary instability. I'll stick with my heavy elite drivo trainer and backup road bike setup for Zwift.
I have the same rig, no tipping at all during a 1200 watt sprint. I think his trainer legs setup is wrong, it’s not suppose to tip like that.
@@TrumpetEeps Same... I did 850+ watts sprint and no tipping...mine is also on hard floor
@@MrRichardburch My guess is it's the mat he's on (or the legs aren't set up properly)
He dont like the zwiftbike at all @@gabespartan
I'm setting up a new garage with many bikes - what is the mounting system you use that allows you to swing the bike sideways to create more space? Thanks for your channel - really enjoy it.
Thank you. That's the Velo Hinge 2.0 from Feedback: tinyurl.com/2ce9uh97
I have the Zwift Hub (rip) and would love to add this frame but sadly (and weirdly) you can’t buy the frame only in Canada 🇨🇦
Would like to see a video of your shoulder recovery. The x rays of that arm were shockingly knarly
Shoulder recovery is still a work in progress! I'm a little hesitant to do a video on it because I'm medically ignorant. I can say that if you're looking for a winter project, I don't recommend pulverizing your humerus... 😀
I’m going to try one at tour down under
Actually it should be fine on trainer road because it works with erg mode.
Definitely not for virtual riding on ROUVY or TPVirtual.
But if I was to upgrade, I’d just use an older bike, and if I wanted to do Zwift get the cog for an acceptable trainer.
any easier to ride out of saddle on this vs connecting a road bike
Bike fit around here costs ~$400/bike/person. I suppose you could buy this thing, dial in your fit - and if you love it, keep it (particularly if you're a Zwifty). If you don't, you could re-sell it. My spouse and I have never been fitted, but could probably benefit from it - so this thing would virtually pay for itself.
Can you attach the wahoo climber to this thing ?
Hello All, Can i change the gears without open ZWIFT App ? Can I use all this setup like offline training bike ? Without ZWIFT subscription ? All these activities will be visible on my Garmin ?
Can you remove the handle bars with the tablet pad and put an aero bar set up on it?
Sort of - you can definitely change handlebars but the super-wide stem is part of the bike.
There is a separate tablet holder that is not shown in the video.
Hey Ben, loving all your videos!! What are you using to hang all your bikes on the wall?
Thank you. That's the Velo Hinge 2.0 from Feedback: tinyurl.com/2ce9uh97
Campag shifting ?
Crank length alone is a massive deal breaker.
Adjustable cranks are coming, Zwift tells me.
Will this mount on my Kickr Core Ver 1 ? Or do I have to purchase the package with a new Core?
Yes, that should work. Compatibility list here: support.zwift.com/en_us/zwift-ready-compatibility-r1x1sNas0
I suspect your thick rubber mat is contributing to the rocking… mine is on a concrete floor and I’ve noticed no instability.
Perhaps that exacerbates it. I should have shown it on concrete but the thing is heavy and my shoulder is busted and excuses, excuses... I should also have shown comparative footage of me doing the same side-to-side movement on other trainers and smart bikes.
As you know, for normal riding it's totally fine; I was just trying to contextualize it against other options and perhaps overemphasized that part.
If I had designed it I would have made one size and made it adjustable. Then it could have been used for a bike sizing tool also.
Ben what wall mounts do you use for your bikes?
It's this guy, Terrill: tinyurl.com/2ce9uh97
Non-adjustable cranks is a deal breaker
I can think of 2 times when breaking on zwift would be beneficial. In group rides with offense there are times you go for a sprint and exceed the fence and it's difficult to coast and get back to the group before getting kicked out. Second you can't switch over bikes if you're on a multi surface race until you are stopped.
I think zwift missed the boat on this with 2 things it should have been a belt drive and it should have adjustable crank length. Time will tell the durability of controllers, electronics and water no good.
Elite has the square smart bike, but a very slow on roll out. But it ticks a few more boxes.
my Zwift ride is still in the box and awaiting the Jetblack Victory that should be here by the end of December. Will be retiring my old rim brake race bike and the Tacx Flux..which I always found noisy. Hoping to use these to have a strong offseason! Thanks for the review Ben.
How’s the shoulder Ben?
Still a work in progress. Much more stable when on the bike, but still can't lift it more than 90 degrees.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Good to hear. I had a minor cuts & scrapes tip over a couple months ago, how do you deal with the post-crash PTSD?
I'm oddly still feeling.a little unsteady.
Can you put it on a rocket plate?
You'd have to figure out a way to lock in the front column, but I don't see why not.
Check out GP Llama's review of the upcoming Jet Black motion base. He uses this setup on it without any issue.
Wattbike have 170mm cranks because it uses the fixed length in their algorithm to calculate power.....
The setup is wobbly with the Core, which has a mediocre base, compared to the Kickr V1-6 and Kickr Move, which are much better platforms. BTW, you look like James Woods
2:19 thanks Ben, for the fifteen minutes back. What Zwift were thinking launching this thing with only a 170mm crank length option, goodness only knows. I’ll be sticking to my Kickr Bike.
Yep. Equip it with adjustable cranks and it's not only far more useful, especially for households with riders of different dimensions and capabilities, but effectively a cheap bike fit machine, with nearly everything but handlebar width and frame size and angles being adjustable.
Adjustable cranks are coming as an aftermarket accessory in 2025. You read it here, folks!
@@MITaerobike Why has no one made adjustable cranks for outdoor riding? Just beef up the arms a bit and drill and tap a few more holes, ranging from 165mm to 170mm, which is the range that most people use. Sure, it'll be clumsier and heavier than fixed length cranks but no one will force you to buy one if you're happy with your crank length.
@@HabaneroTi There are a few that have but they never stick around. Fashion, weight, and lack of need. An indoor bike needs to serve a lot of potential people and is largely designed for multiple users with differing bike fits so adjustable cranks can make sense. For outdoor, once you know what you want, it's better to just have your go to crank arm length on the bike and not carry around the extra weight required to have adjustability.
@@MITaerobike I guess it would be like adjustable stems, which I suppose serve a purpose in that you might want to adjust the stem height and extension depending on the kind of riding you intend to do that day and how you're feeling.
Perhaps there's less of such a need for crank length, so I can see why it might not make sense to make them. But there's still a need to experiment with various lengths while first fitting one's bike, and perhaps every few years as you get older and your body and riding needs change.
I assume that all decent bike fitting machines allow for crank length adjustment?
I use a rocker plate with my zwift ride !
Cool. How do you anchor the front?
@ I don’t, I tie the yahoo kicker with cable ties which make it very stable.
Why buy this when I can put my own bike in my wahoo KICKR. It doesn’t even go up or down to simulate hills and descend. I just don’t get it
You forgot one big cons... the inability to swap the seatpost around for zero setback as the 20mm setback is too much for me.
This
It being wobbly seems misleading for most. I’m almost 100 kg and race regularly, sprinting over 1000 watts. I’ve never had an issue with any kind of rocking.
I'm about 80kg and same.
I get a tiny bit of motion, which feels more natural to me then a stiff kickr bike
Tacx neo 2t best trainer
The minimum saddle height looks to be too high for my wife. Strange to limit the range they way they have....
My GF is 5' 1" and still has an inch to spare. Fits her fine. 👍
Roll the dice on a used SB20 over this thing imo. People are dumping them since Stages bankruptcy, they're tanks though
One other con is that you can't use this with a Wahoo Climb. I would like to get this set up but don't want to toss my expensive Climb in the corner.
I think they will eventually make a climb version for this
It sounds as if you 🫵🏻 should set Zwift straight!
Seems like an oversight that they didn't include the front Zwift fork attachment that raises and lowers with elevation. Not only that, you can't hook it to this if you have one. Also why didn't they just make the bottom bracket STD sizing so you could put any bearings/cranks in there you wanted. Also why don't they just use their add-on controllers with THIS unit? They already make them and then they're REPLACEABLE. If these fail, you're screwed. Great planned obsolescence. Short sighted companies waste so much money trying to cheat customers only to find they have to redo it because no one bought them.
These are the same controllers I thought
I just use an older, inactivated Peloton.
Love mine. No better value out there. All other platforms are working to accommodate the Zwift virtual shifting…..just a matter of time.
500 miles on this thing? Better YOU than me! I guess if you live in Siberia or are injured, OK. Rode on rollers during the pandemic but those are collecting dust in the attic...I hope FOREVER!
That headtube collecting sweat is such poor design.
Let me see. $800 for a frame that only works with select trainers and one app? 😂 no as usual zwift misses the mark and shows they have no idea how to make money. I want a bike frame for my saris trainer. However I am not buying a zwift ride because I am not replacing either of my saris trainers. I also don’t use zwift anymore since there price hikes. So instead of making money on me on at least the bike they loose out completely. Now they done sell me the zwift ride or zwift the app. They could have at least sold me one of them.
I just don't get the whole video game/trainer thing. We all spend too much time staring at screens, why add more? Just ride outdoors, or use a rollers or an old school trainer.
Because it’s 10 degrees out with ice all over the roads.
@BostonCycling_ wimp
In a word...No I am down my basement, as there is 1.6 metres of snow outside and I want to ride. After two decades on rollers, two more on a Cateye trainer and over ten years on a Tacx, I thought, wouldn't it be nice to have a dedicated trainer. My first mistake. For a proper experience, one must replicate the same set-up as the bikes you actually ride. They advertised amazing adaptability in that regard, but forgot there are riders out there who prefer (or need) shallow seat angles. (Hinault's coach set me up a (very) long time ago and pushing the saddle back for me decreased my 15 kilometre times 30 seconds the first week and ultimately a minute in one season, breaking provincial records and a few US ones in the process ... I am not changing my position for a bike. A bike must adapt to the rider) I can not adjust the saddle far enough to the rear, so I threw out the Swift saddle, that is reminiscent of a hardware store commuter bike and substituted an old Flyte that widens farther back on the rails, which helped a little, but not enough. Then I had to disassemble the entire clamping device and take a file to it, so the rails could slide farther back. Even still, it does not replicate any of my other bikes. Even with the steep seat angles of my Colnagos, I can get far enough rearward with no issue. It appear they placed the clamping mechanism essentially in line with where a traditional seat tube would be and therefore replicates a zero setback post. Sorry, but any cyclist knows that is why there are multiple setback seatposts available. Then there is the shifting. I have used Campagnolo since the 1960's (okay and Zeus 2000 for a few years and Dura-Ace 10mm pitch on my track bikes) but even my current wireless groupsets still use the same ergonomics ... right hand rear derailleur, left hand front...(However I do miss the thumb shifter). I still can't get used to the Shimano style, but the SRAM makes no functional sense what so ever ... they say they are emulating a race car (or my Giulia), but car ergonomics are irrelevant to a bicycle!). You have two styles of shifting, so why not the third. And quietness ... listen to an old, or new, set of Boras, or Shamals .. for indoor training, quietness is important. It is also unstable. As an architect, we recognise good design is one that is functional, not just aesthetically pleasing. It appears they wanted a wow factor with the single leg fork...wrong. Not to mention the load is now transmitted onto a single point in the front, destroying my rubber training pad. It weights too much to move around easily, I could go on, but in my opinion I wasted a full two thousand dollars for something that is ill conceived. I am back alternating between my old Tacx and Cateye trainers, while the SWIFT is new, but gathering dust.
These will be $50 in every opp shop around the world in a years time. Junk. …Indoors or outdoors, just train on your actual bike.
I doubt it lol
Hate Zwift so……🤷♂️
Well, then this isn't for you. There's alway $2500+ other smart bikes. I could care less about other "me too" apps.
Cool. Move on.
If you Harte Zwift, why are you bothering to comments on a video about a bike by ZWIFT for ZWIFT...