Case/IH looks to be a better option. Even with a smaller tank size. A lot of standard options on the Case/IH where with the John Deere you pay extra. All those belts and pulley on the John Deere just more to fix and adjust and you can't reverse if you get a jam.
This was really well done and balanced. Thank you! For historical context, when IH first introduced the design in 1977 it was very advanced. Time has shown that it was the right design path to follow and was almost typical to IH by having good designs in a lot of their equipment. JD's strength was that it was always a better run company - they made very good BUSINESS DECISIONS. JD did not pursue this design for decades as it was not a good BUSINESS DECISION. In the end, JD lagged behind in this technology as IH patented a lot of this years ago. You can almost see how JD has to work around it with a lot of old belt "thinking". However it came at a serious cost to IH (along with other business problems). Within 7 years of the design release IH ag was sold to Tenneco to be merged with Case as they had been run into the ground. JD still exists today and is the only North American ag company to survive the terrible 1979 - 1994 period in ag history.........
Very interesting topic👍I know 8120 could out perform 9770 n we got redtop 8010 it could perform better then neighbour S series. But you have dig deeper the main difference is Serviceability l Less moving parts - less grease points It’s easy clean around rotor on CaseIH then JD also grain tank too especially changing crop types. Access to rear of the combine on CaseIH is much easier n blow down, I know JD operators leave back door open but door can bust off with strong winds especially at night. Before anyone mention new JD X9 just like MF/Fendt Ideal, Claas n NH all run twin rotor which has bigger advantage in crop performance but like dark horse Gleaner I reckon CaseIH will stick with single rotor n try improving combine, I believe there still market for simple single rotor combines.
So let me get this right, the case comes standard with variable feeder house drive and advanced chopper spreader ,which is around an $8000.00 option on the jd.The case has a cvt shaft down the side to reduce the amount of belts chains ,sprockets and idlers and you can unplug the rotor by reversing it.The jd looks like a maintenance nightmare .I remember when the first ihc axials hit our area in about 1978 ,I was amazed how easy they were to maintain, I believe some of those original 1440s and 1460s are still running .If I was farming or contracting now I think I would be leaning towards red.
John Deere fully copied IHC even down to the 24" and 30" rotors that came out in the 70s in the 1440 1460 and 1480 . You would think they would come out with something original.
Good work. I'm a pure case fan but a 9230 does not have 600 horse(to the comment below) It's in the specs, it has 500 with a 60hp gain. The Brand new 9240 now has 550hp with a 75hp gain.
That jd its for mechanics, and sure have troubles, case ih its more easier to work with. You forgot a important thing, case uses iveco motor (cursor, one of the best) and have a gearbox with 2 gears, the first one its a snail and the second you cant use in the field. This is a very big problem for europeans, uou cant have a combine witch the max velocity in reverse is 9 kmh cmon!
Guy who custom harvests my crops every year run Red and Green equipment ... He's been doing it for 30+ years He's steadily getting rid of all his Red combines ... Too much electrical problems and poor after sales according to him
A custom harvester in our area has Caseih and John Deere combines and started off with 5 of each and has only got one JD now ,he says the scheduled and daily maintenance was excessive on JD as well as not as much capacity as Caseih machines.
Best comparison I’ve seen on UA-cam thanks for sharing.
Case/IH looks to be a better option. Even with a smaller tank size. A lot of standard options on the Case/IH where with the John Deere you pay extra. All those belts and pulley on the John Deere just more to fix and adjust and you can't reverse if you get a jam.
This was really well done and balanced. Thank you! For historical context, when IH first introduced the design in 1977 it was very advanced. Time has shown that it was the right design path to follow and was almost typical to IH by having good designs in a lot of their equipment. JD's strength was that it was always a better run company - they made very good BUSINESS DECISIONS. JD did not pursue this design for decades as it was not a good BUSINESS DECISION. In the end, JD lagged behind in this technology as IH patented a lot of this years ago. You can almost see how JD has to work around it with a lot of old belt "thinking". However it came at a serious cost to IH (along with other business problems). Within 7 years of the design release IH ag was sold to Tenneco to be merged with Case as they had been run into the ground. JD still exists today and is the only North American ag company to survive the terrible 1979 - 1994 period in ag history.........
Not an expert, but I believe a sustained strike (management again) was what did IH in, not engineering.
Im a red guy that works at a deere shop. most of the belts on deere are $300 AND UP
Very interesting topic👍I know 8120 could out perform 9770 n we got redtop 8010 it could perform better then neighbour S series. But you have dig deeper the main difference is Serviceability l
Less moving parts - less grease points
It’s easy clean around rotor on CaseIH then JD also grain tank too especially changing crop types.
Access to rear of the combine on CaseIH is much easier n blow down, I know JD operators leave back door open but door can bust off with strong winds especially at night.
Before anyone mention new JD X9 just like MF/Fendt Ideal, Claas n NH all run twin rotor which has bigger advantage in crop performance but like dark horse Gleaner I reckon CaseIH will stick with single rotor n try improving combine, I believe there still market for simple single rotor combines.
i think theyll go to a dual rotor for thr big big ones, theres obly so much you can push out of one rotar
So let me get this right, the case comes standard with variable feeder house drive and advanced chopper spreader ,which is around an $8000.00 option on the jd.The case has a cvt shaft down the side to reduce the amount of belts chains ,sprockets and idlers and you can unplug the rotor by reversing it.The jd looks like a maintenance nightmare .I remember when the first ihc axials hit our area in about 1978 ,I was amazed how easy they were to maintain, I believe some of those original 1440s and 1460s are still running .If I was farming or contracting now I think I would be leaning towards red.
I have a 8120 with 40 foot draper and would not take a new one in exchange. I can run circles around a John Deere. Peraiod. you explained it very well
Maintenance costs will be horrific with the JD
Can you reverse direction in the rotor with the cvt ?
yes you can
Wow nice work!
good information
John Deere fully copied IHC even down to the 24" and 30" rotors that came out in the 70s in the 1440 1460 and 1480 . You would think they would come out with something original.
gear box handle on the deere is on the left side not the right, wondering if you really understand the rotor system on the deere.
hes talking about the s600 series you might be looking at the newer s700 series
case all the way. tractors the same, not combines
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Good work. I'm a pure case fan but a 9230 does not have 600 horse(to the comment below) It's in the specs, it has 500 with a 60hp gain. The Brand new 9240 now has 550hp with a 75hp gain.
That jd its for mechanics, and sure have troubles, case ih its more easier to work with. You forgot a important thing, case uses iveco motor (cursor, one of the best) and have a gearbox with 2 gears, the first one its a snail and the second you cant use in the field. This is a very big problem for europeans, uou cant have a combine witch the max velocity in reverse is 9 kmh cmon!
Axial flow the best
Between both machines, get a Gleaner.
Guy who custom harvests my crops every year run Red and Green equipment ... He's been doing it for 30+ years
He's steadily getting rid of all his Red combines ... Too much electrical problems and poor after sales according to him
A custom harvester in our area has Caseih and John Deere combines and started off with 5 of each and has only got one JD now ,he says the scheduled and daily maintenance was excessive on JD as well as not as much capacity as Caseih machines.
thank you good job!!!!!
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case all the way. tractors the same, not combines