Inside the Episode - S2, Ep 1 | House of the Dragon | HBO
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Showrunner Ryan Condal, director Alan Taylor, and the cast discuss where the story picks up in the new season, finding Rhaenyra deep in grief, Aegon facing his first challenges as king, and Alicent seeking comfort in an unexpected companion. Stream House of the Dragon S2 Sundays at 9PM on @Streamonmax.
Underrated moment: seeing the Nights Watch still be a respected and honored faction instead of the exiled criminals from GoT
Served as a nice explanation for why Benjen joined them too, if one of the Starks always served in the Watch.
Yeah that was great
So am I right in assuming Aegon the Conquerer and Thorren Stark discussed Aegon's dream and the return of the Long Night when they treated at the Night's Watch? After which Stark knew for certain the Long Night was coming and reinforced the Night's Watch best he could with his offerings on the onset of winter. Aegon's dram would explain why he bent the knee given Jacerys said he'd probably sooner die unless it meant unity.
Poor doggo.
The cinematography and those large establishing shots really reminded me of early GoT, but even better. It’s nice seeing locations like the North and the Wall shown again almost through new eyes, like it’s the first time. I really enjoyed the opening scene. And seeing smaller things with the Dragons is always awesome, like Meleyes returning to Dragonstone,Syrax searching the coast with Rheanerya, and the rushed landing to reach Arrax’s wing. Love that stuff. I know it’s expensive but it makes the Dragons feel more real and less like a special effect only saved for battles or “epic” moments…I really hoped we’d see more of Jace in the north tho. I don’t know if that’s all there was but I don’t see them flashing back to it in other episodes, which kinda sucks.
And as always Ramin Djawadi is a blessing to this world and it’s stories.
I just hope the audience remembers that these characters are flying by the whims of their emotions, and their reactions to certain individuals, who have a constant need to prove themselves and make chaos in their wake. This isn’t GOT, this story really is about revenge and the horrible things that occur between super powers at war. There is no crumb of a happy ending for anyone we see in screen. So it could get very depressing. With no “Jon rides off into the woods” or “Arya sets sail” final note to end on. It really is fire and blood.
Seeing Winterfell brought back good memories.
Cheese is basically Charlie from always sunny but Westeros edition.
I want to see Blood and Cheese but overdubbed with Mac and Charlie now.
The opening scene was so freaking phenomenal, seeing Winterfell, the Wall, and off course Cregan Stark himself. Loved it. Emma D'Arcy's Acting is remarkable, Aegon having his fun with Tyland at the small council was so great 🤣🤣
Still pretty conflicted about Alicent and Criston as well as how Blood and Cheese was done but other than that... a good first episode. Great being back in Westeros. Bring on episode 2.
we are so back!
The shot panning the cribs into the frame was awesome
Jace looks more and more like Harwin. I'm glad they upgraded the wig this season. Last season's hair was ridiculous 😅
I believe it is the actor's real hair this season
The genes are Strong
Emma is a force of nature. Their performance is mesmerizing.
Her?
@@_antillas8674 They are non-binary.
@@_antillas8674they are non binary
@@_antillas8674no, “they”, that’s what Emma uses.
@@CaptainPikeachu But she is a woman, isn't she?
Aegon gave me the vibes of influencers who can't refuse what the fans want & is too eager to please😅
Feel like back home when see Winterfell..
Baela and Rhaena never getting to speak is so bizarre
1 of 8 episodes. calm down
@@adarnia it was the same thing last season
@@monie3558 so you've already seen ALL of season 2 episodes. 👍 happy for you
had to come back here after episodes 2 and 3. lol this comment didn't age well🤣
The ending was traumatic 😢
I loved watching these for the first season, and I can’t wait for more to come out later on!
I wished they sticked to the books with Cheese and Blood, with Halaena having to pick between two sons while they're awake-- only for them to kill the one she chose to save.
I think for the show, it makes sense. Helaena doesnt want to be queen, she doesnt want this conflict, and she doesnt want her child on the Iron Throne. Picking the girl means that Aegon will "lose his heir" because how can he put a female on the throne after stealing Rhaenerya's?
If one of her children was fated to die, let it be the child who she believes was doomed to become a king, to suffer the same way as her father and husband/brother. Maybe the little princess can fly under the radar and be left in peace.
Her having a second son aftet losing her first... That worries me... I think something dark is coming for Helaena.
finally. competence crew! thanks
I do wish we got to see Alicent’s immediate response to hearing about Luke’s death. It was confusing at first, I kept waiting for her to be told about it, only to realize that the episode began with her already having known about it. And then for the first (I think?) scene that we see of her in the episode being her having sex with Criston was disappointing.
Yeah wtf, luckily my volumes werent too high
They will fight hard like northerners oh my God I love this show
Attacking Helena’s children was stupid.
Helena is a woman born in a prison.
She didn’t like her position at all.
The right offer to her, (freedom for her and her children), and she could’ve been a spy for the blacks. They could’ve used her gifts from the gods for their advantage.
But now… Madness… Madness and stupidity.
I hope they show what happened directly after and how Aegon messed up and unleashed a plague on the kingdom because of his anger.
You mean, after Daemon started the Dance?
@@_antillas8674you mean after aemond started the dance?
@@ideozublake8036 The Dance didn't start after that accident. The Dance started after Daemon specifically ordered to murder a child.
@@_antillas8674 you are bias, the greens usurp the throne and killed luke, you think that wont start the war, rhaenyra wants aemond dead you think she would not want to kill aemond for killing her son lmap cope
@@_antillas8674you are team green so nothing you says makes sense
Oh boi, we started a war by killing the queens son out of a sudden and her husband is known for being a ruthless madman, what should we do? DEFINITELY NOT HIRE MORE GUARDS TO KEEP ROYAL FAMILY SAFE AT NIGHT🙈
Yasss, that ep was fire, can't wait for next week's lituation! 🔥👀
Alicent was the only one who got a pony ride this episode 🔥
One episode is far too early to tell, but this first ep was a lot more workmanlike than the artfulness of S1.
Outstanding episode well done y’all.
I find it a bit dissappointing the writers clearly favor Rhaenyra and want you to root for them.
She was never innocent to begin with.
We are SO back
Emma's performace, Ramin's music, the grief and desperation, outstanding.
They fucked up the cheese and blood scene. They should have kept it like it the books where the orders were to kill one of the two sons of Helena and Aegon. They snuck into Alicent's room where they gagged and bounded her while waiting for Helena (who they knew would bring in her kids to say good night to their grandma). Then they made Helena choose which one of the boys to kill. She pleaded for them to kill her instead, but they refused and even threatened to rape her daughter if she took too long to decide. She then chose her youngest son (who seems to have been cut from the show) to die, only for them to kill the older boy who was Aegon's heir instead.
I think that scene would have been way better if they followed the book.
Idk I prefer the change, a narrative focus on Helaena telling the truth and choosing her son (brings up thoughts of why did she tell the truth and pick him) rather than a focus on cruelty and brutality just to be provocative.
@@jo0rd73maybe they perhaps even change our views on Aegon the second also.
@@kendallhurley8596 Yep! I’m also interested in seeing how Rhaenyra and Daemons relationship is affected here, as in her grief she orders for the death of Aemond and his actions lead to the beheading of Aegon’s heir. Something I think Rhaenyra will be furious about because of being a mother herself with a young kid and especially how something so horrific done to a child will affect her reputation, right as the war is heading to its first confrontation.
I gotta say it’s just such a breath of fresh air returning to this and getting so much political manoeuvring and character conflicts right off the bat. So many shows fixate on the spectacle and provocative scenes, it’s great that HOTD shows that narrative comes first and hopefully it stays that way and doesn’t lose its nature of being a political thriller first and foremost like what happened with GOT.
I honestly think the book version is too gruesome and controversial for a TV portrayal .. i mean we are talking about murdering children.
@@jo0rd73 to each their own. I just feel like it's down playing the black's (specifically Daemon's) wrong doings. They tries to make it look like Aemond was the target and this was all a mistake on blood and cheese's part when in reality Helena's sons had been the targets from the beginning in the books. It also took away from Helena's character in my opinion as it made it look like she barely fought for her children's lives. Not once did she offer her own life like she did in the book, she only offered a necklace. Considering this is the event that drives her to madness in the books, I feel like the show didn't do it justice.
"We kinda forgot about the regretful Aemond of the final scene of the last season, now he's totally fine with what Vhagar have done and even proud of the vengeance he got"
GRRM was right about writers.
Man, no Maelor, no fake-out choice, the scene felt void of emotion compared to the book. I have faith in Ryan and his team but I can't say I am not disappointed by this.
For me Helena just be straightforward pointing her son to the killers is a mercy for her son.
Wrong move , the killers could kill them all.
And i thought it's mercy for her son because i think she never wanted her son to be the furure king. Look at her king husband, Aegon . She thought she never wanted her son to be like his dad. So to end this possible life misery in the future of her son, she chooses to end it now.
That's some… nihilistic explanation.
Book! Helaena offered herself to be killed instead of her children like come they complete butchered the scene.
@@heartlesslove9084it’s not very realistic. Not all people that brave. Everyone wants to live.
@@heartlesslove9084they already said in front of her they won’t kill her alone because she’s not a SON so why risk angering them by screaming kill me instead???? Jesus pay attention. Helaena KNEW they weren’t going to be satisfied with her head alone, if she dies, they’ll kill him anyway and probably the little girl too so there’s no witness. Running away with her daughter is the only thing that makes sense within the scene. She can’t save the boy but she can save the other.
What bothered me the most about B&C scene was not the fact that we didn't see the child being decapitated no, it was Helaena's reaction that seemed very weird I mean she should've at least screamed in horror or something watching her son being slaughtered, instead she acted like nothing was happening in front of her.
The blood and cheese story was shot very wrongly. I'm disappointed
Good episode but pacing was a bit off. North's scenes were cut short and some emotional scenes were cut short as well.
Blood and cheese was very Underwhelming . Absolutely destroyed the emotional impact of the scene by not including Halaenas choice. And they are just walking around the castle without a care. Hyping this as the red wedding equivalent of hotd was laughable in hindsight.
It was never going to have the same impact as the Red Wedding. Reason being is we haven’t invested years and multiple seasons and books into Helaena and her children as a characters. We don’t even know her children. It’s the same in the books. It’s a sick scene, but that’s all it is. We aren’t rooting for Helaena to live, we aren’t rooting for her to be reconnected with lost children or siblings, we aren’t rooting for her to avenge her father and take the throne.
Anyone who expected anything from this show to have the same impact as the Red Wedding is kidding themselves.
Blood and Cheese was a let down. Quite anti-climactic. The moment didn’t live up to the anticipation. Helena lacked any if so, a fight or emotion. In a perfect world, that scene should have started the episode. Much at the start went flat. For a season with less Episodes, the pacing needs to pick up. Changes are welcome but not always good.
Writers of this shows are brutal
The blood and cheese ending could have been shown better. It was alright. I don't think they put much thought into making that scene epic. Basic looking
Killing a young boy is not “epic”. And the show is written as tho nobody knows what’s going to Happen..I’m sure it was very disturbing and shocking to people who haven’t read fire and blood or spoil themselves watching UA-cam videos about it. It wasn’t suppose to be some grand moment, it’s disturbing and sick and it’s the least of my problems with what was changed about the story in the episode. Real fans would be hoping that that’s not all we get from Jace’s visit north, not wishing an infants death was “epic”.
@@DNotzz no, its the delivery of the scene, it felt flat. when they said "epic" meant its the dramaticness of the scene. doesnt mean they think killing children is literally epic.
The length the shows go to make you simp Daemon Targaryen... I mean, he was a cold.blooded assassin the whole first season, And now, because they don't want to portray him doing something abhorrent, they make it look like a mistake perpetrated by third ones. Girl, bye. I wish the show was more ambiguous, with white and black, good and bad, in both sides equal. But I feel like Daemond and Rhaenyre are pushed down my throat, even in the gruesomest events. While, Alicent and Otto are done sooooo dirty.
HBO
Harold’s B O
Vhagar will be death if meleys and caraxes defeat her.
GOT !!!!!
Rhaenyra and Jace sharing a moment to grieve together was my favourite moment in the episode.
I totally forgot about Jace also took off on his own dragon, and that he is way up north so he is the last to hear the ill news!
It was fantastic. It had what made GOT special and what this show is lacking. The acting had subtlety, it wasn't rushed and you could feel it. This show needs more of that, unfortunately I don't think it will.
Jace’s voice breaking while he tries to remain honourable and delivering the message.
Yeaaah wished it was a longer scene
indeed. its wild that Rhaenyra said one thing the entire episode...but it just speaks to exactly what she says here, we 'sit with this absence' until she's found proof of Luke's death then the tears and first words come TT_TT that's when grief begins right?! gods
Nearly all of Rhaenyra’s scenes made me tear up and she hardly says a word :(
Same, such a great actress
SHE IS SUCH A FRICKING GOOD ACTRESS !!
@@gabrielket4673 they* are such a good actor
@@kikirose-k8c i wont call someone that but you do you❤😅
Our monarch
I just knew Blood and Cheese were going to be in the initial episode. Rhaeneyra's one line was brilliantly chilling. Well done.
Hugh reminded me of The Mountain from his first words. What's with sawing the little boys head off? No blind eye there.
She wants Aemond Targareyn. She doesn't know that the 7 Kingdoms want him, and yet they all kneel before the Lord of Chaos, riding the Queen of Destruction.
The ending was a little weird but the best moment of the episode was Jacaerys reporting back to the queen and seemingly breaking down in front of his mom. That part had me tearing up.
Personally, I loved the ending. To each their own. 🙂
Completely agree with you. It was as if they were scared to go all in with the death of Aegon’s child. In the book it’s a little more gruesome.
@@Pillowman9A little? It was absolutely horrible when I read it, even though the book was written in this impersonal, matter-of-fact way.
OMG that made me cry
Of course theyre not gonna do what the book said, are you stupid? If they had done the killing of a child just like in the book therell be no more house of the dragon tv series, it will get banned for sure.
Daemon flies Rhaenys’ father’s dragon and Rhaenys flies Daemon’s mother’s dragon. There’s a lot of mutual respect between them but Daemon as usual has no chill
wow i didnt know that, still every single scene they have together somehow translates this well.
But we have to admit that his idea of pairing up in order to get Vaghar is not a bad idea. Maybe if they would have done that, Blood and Cheese could have been avoided and getting rid of Vaghar makes more strategic sense
@@aileenpi73 thats the thing, people keep acting like Daemon is asking for something silly but he's being the most rational one here. If they can team up and take out Aemond it saves a lot of bloodshed later on.
The sound design in the blood and cheese moment was perfectly nauseating
never had a reaction to a sound effect until this. i literally felt sick, my tummy turned. jfc, great work
Music gave me anxiety
High tension
That is the perfect description for it
It was such a joy to go back home to Winterfell again. The emotions were at an all time high I swear
And Tom Glynn-Carney (King Aegon II) was the MVP of episode 1 for me, he brought his A game to the character and I'm loving it.
The landscape is juuuuust a little different..
It was such waste of time tho... like what did they even accomplsh there but get 2000 old ass dudes
@@garden3818 These 2000 old ass dudes are gonna win dozens of battles for their Queen and even slay major Green characters. They are legends known as the winter wolves who will be remembered for centuries after the war. I wont spoil much.
I know right? As soon as I heard the House Stark theme, my heart teared up
Yeah it got me too
The scene where Aegon The Dragoncock is relaxing with his pals on the iron throne was very well done. A few laughs before the horror
Rhaenyra lost 2 children in a span of like a week… she didn’t just lose luke. Her grief is insane.
And a father
As bad as Aegon is, it’s still interesting to see he has compassion for people in some capacity. He’s still not as bad as Joffrey…….yet
I heard from rumors that Aegon is going to be a standout performance in this season. Already looking like it; he's gonna go ballistic.
I liked it! Gives him more layers to his character. I think the evil twisted child king character is so old and overplayed ever sense after Joffrey.
Yeah, I'm actually pretty unhappy about his characterization in this show compared to the book. That being said, the scene in the throne room was an exception. It was perfect. His initial ignorance of the nuisance of these situations, to his begrudge acceptance of his grandfather's wise advice, and finally ending with his pointed disregard of his grandfather's opinion in favor of his own naive compassion and seemingly genuine empathy. Aegon in the book is kind of a spoiled but harmless oaf. He's a horn dog, yeah, but not a deviant like here. He likes to drink, maybe a bit too much, but he's not a fucking alcoholic at 14 like in this. He's just a degenerate in this for some reason, in the book he's not fit to be king not because he's proto-Joffrey but because he's a good-natured but immature and irresponsible rich kid. Not a villain, just a dummy in a bad situation that he couldn't control and didn't understand.
he will never be joffrey, stop this stupid argument, he is his own character, just like rhaenyra is not daenerys and neither alicent is cercei
he is literally a rap!st… how is he not bad enough???
“Im afraid of the rats” Brilliant
Literally didn't realize Emma only had ONE LINE in the entire episode
They did a great job silently acting in the other scenes
Losing her father, & two of her children in such a short span of time would be absolutely heartbreaking- it's almost merciful that she didn't get to see BabyVisenya take her first breath, or grow into her own person, like she did her son - Luke is a young life cut tragically short- I can't even begin to imagine getting into that headspace; she doesn't have time to mourn her father's death, or her daughter's, but she's made focus on the usurpation of her promised throne- politics, rather than the personal - but then it all just compounds in the loss of Lucerys...
Yeah, Rhaenyra would've been absolutely devastated.
Fire will reign supreme and there shall be no innocents.
Rhaeneyra already has paid a lot for that damned throne.
Eve Best deserves more credit for her role in the show. She inhabits Rhaenys better than I could have ever imagined. If only they hadn’t passed over her for Viserys. Emma D’Arcy is just continuing to kill it. Such an insightful and talented actress.
This episode sucked, show is turning in to parody of itself, thanks to mediocre writers.
The amount of pain and loss for Rhaenyra from the very beginning is heartbreaking and she bottles it all up. Loosing your mum, loosing your best friend, painful labours and still borns, her fathers death, dealing with the death of her children’s father, Daemons abuse, Luke’s death, having to cover up the fake death of her ex husband, loosing her family home and the crown. My god it just keeps getting worse for her.
The opening scene with the raven flying back to Winterfell then to the wall, back to Jace and Rhaenyra. King Aegon wanting to show his son and heir the ropes at the beginning with the exterminators with rat traps in the background foreshadowing what was coming. That final scene with Helaena and the little ones and her previously saying she's not afraid of the dragons, but the rats. Welcome back House of the Dragon.
Absolutely horrific ending especially with that sound effect. Poor helaena , and her son hat off to pahia sagan she was amazing in that scene the sheer panic feels as she run away with jahaera ? is so well down. Im sure the audience felt intense panic as well.
i thought rhaenyra finding luke's cloak and the remains of arrax was heartbreaking, but them sharing a moment was the breaking point for me 😭
Condal should retire, he butchered blood and cheese.
No he didn’t. But good luck getting that book scene onto screen in 2024. I guarantee they would have lost viewers. Many women with young kids who didn’t read the book have already expressed disgust at that scene.
Also show Helaena is smarter than book Helaena. She knew her only option was to run.
And if it was so bad GRRM wouldn’t have said the first two episodes were brilliant.
IMO B&C is massively overhyped, people were ready to feel disgusted. But the truth is, it’s only a page of one book. The main tragedy is the aftermath.
He, it's cute that Fabien Frankel describes Criston and Alicent as lost people.
In all seriousness, him and Olivia Cooke are really great actors and wonderfully nail portraying such loathsome and worthless hypocrites.
Emma D’Arcy future emmy winner!
For what category?
@@Brydigan94 vfx
@@Brydigan94 Best actress
Man, if I could, I would watch all eight episodes right now. This show just brings unmatched levels of excitement and hype. Can’t wait to watch it all play out this season.
They really said son for a son
Once again, poor writing ruined a scene that could've been one of the greatest scenes in the TV history. What a shame.
The Blood and Cheese scene in the book is PERFECT, dramatic, cliffhanging and most of all explains the trauma of Helaena in the relationship with her survived son and the hatred of Alicent towards the Blacks. Instead of let her watch the murder of her nephew, they decided to let her have an useless sex scene with ser Criston. What. A. Shame.
GRRM was right about screenwriters, read the book and forget this show.
And what about Aemond? We saw him at the end of the last season full of regrets for what happened to Luke, now we see him totally fine, without any regret and even proud of what he've done. Then why they showed us a regretful Aemond in the Shipwreckers Bay?
I repeat: what a shame.
God dayum, Blood’s deep ass voice!
In the book, Jaehaerys’ death is so much worse and sad. Blood and Cheese basically take all three of them hostage, and have her two children with knives to their throats, and demand Helaena chose which child dies. Helaena begs them to kill her and spare her children, but they say they will kill all three of them if she doesn’t choose.
She reluctantly tells them to kill her second child, as they may be too young to understand what’s happening. Blood and Cheese then tell her second child that their mother wants them dead, laugh about it; then proceed to kill the child she didn’t choose instead, as his mother screams with maddening grief, and the other child lives with the knowledge that their mother chose them to die. So messed up for everyone involved.
I love that you just had to imagine horrible things happening in the last scene. This isn't a scene that needs to be shown explicitly (not even sure it's legal lol)... but just hearing that first child-like scream and the sound of slicing is HORRIFYING. I saw some one say it's not the red wedding, but it doesn't have to be, we already have one of those. That scene makes me squirm just thinking about the sounds I heard. You're left to imagine what Helena must have scene as she left the room. We'll have more than enough violence to go around this season. HOT-D IS fucking BACK.
Yeah like honestly I think it’s a better decision narratively to focus on Helaena and her choice to choose the boy rather than lie and choose her daughter rather than just like brutality and an up yours to Helaena ?
It's something that HOTD is doing better than GOT, I think, in that the violence shown is not meant to be sensationalistic just for the sake of shocking audiences, but rather for disgust & making you realize how disturbing the violent aspects of this world really are, especially over a century before the War of the Five Kings, which leaving it up to the audience's imagination really helps with. It's not meant to make you go "Oh my GOD!!!" so much as "...Oh my God." It started with Aemma's death in the first episode, and now at the start of the second season we have a child being butchered off-screen. Really helps cement the more melancholic & tragic tone of the show, as civil wars do tend to be quite tragic in how truly ugly & gruesome they become (case in point: the US Civil War having the highest body count of US soldiers to this day).
The scene fucking sucked 🤷♂️and got ruined by the dumb asses who wrote it
Blood and Cheese was the perfect time to shift the fans' moral support to Team Green & honestly they mishandled it.
* Having Daemon specifically target Aemond makes him less unhinged. If Daemon established either of the heirs as the target it would make him impossible to root for.
* Kidnapping Alicent and then doing the pick which child to kill only to swerve in the ending would make both Blood and Cheese more memorable
Yes I found the scene a bit disappointing... And to have Haelena find her mom lying with Cristina felt so weird and kinda ruined the tragic tone of the scene
Rhaenyra and Jace sharing a moment to grieve for Lucerys was beyond heartbreaking and having Helaena witness the demise of her son was beyond tragic as she even tried to warn everyone due to her abilities and no one listened. The grief of these two mothers will only escalate the upcoming conflict.
Starting off the Season in Winterfell and hearing the nostalgic theme from the North it felt like coming back home except it’s hundreds of years in the past and seeing the Wall was a massive bonus.
Aegon has no experience when it comes to being King and let’s be honest he had gross moments where it spoke volumes that he was not fit to rule the Seven Kingdoms. A the realm is being ruled by a fool who has a possible inferiority complex and will be a loose cannon which will lead up to him being burned, crushed, and mentally unstable.
As for Alicent…..what is there to say except she started off Season 2 by being a massive hypocrite with Criston Cole breaking his vows to the Kingsgaurd “Honor and Dignity.” my fricking ass. This kind of dynamic will later on be toxic and even in the background Larys has spies all over the Red Keep so there’s going to be some blackmail. This information will label Alicent as a harlot who went from marrying the former King Viserys to shacking it up with the Commander of her son’s Kingsguard.
The Queen That Never Was putting Daemon in his place is satisfying.
Yet, if his idea of teaming up to take down Aemond and Vaghar was taken seriously, then Blood and Cheese wouldn’t have been a thing
Going back to Winterfell with the Stark theme in the background by Raman Djawadi was such a joy and brought back GoT memories. ♥
Even one Alicent and Cole's sex scene was absolutely unnecessary in this episode, but two, one of which overshadowed Blood and Cheese? Idk how could they even come up with this when they had a perfectly terrifying scene in the book.
Daemon's great idea of pairing up with RhaenysXMeleys to fight Vhagar seemed to have been shrugged off without much consideration.
A surprise ambush by 2 experience riders with their fast and agile dragons against a young dragon rider and his old and slow dragon. Just brilliant.
I think the last scene was better in the books where blood and cheese ask to chose btwn the boys(when they were awake) and they kill the other boy and ensures the younger boy to know that his mother chose him to die.
Exactly, the scene was such a disgrace. That dumbass of a Condal thought that having Alicent hook up with Criston would do better for her character development in such a short season than witnessing her grandson's death and her daughter's madness.
Not to mention that now they'll have to introduce Maelor somehow. Cersei&Jaime on Joffrey's grave 2.0?🤢
@@_antillas8674 I don't think so.. Why would they at this point?? I think they have left out his character intentionally
@@praveen_1805 And what shall that intention be?..
@@_antillas8674 you gotta ask them or wait n see which might also turn out to be nothing
@@_antillas8674 Shorten the storyline. The whole kidnapping, the townspeople ripping him apart, seems very messy.
I thought S2E1 was excellent. I liked it more than S1E1. I also think the intro is phenomenal! You have hooked me now.
Of course I’ve read all the books. I’m re-reading them now.
For all the faults of the last season of GOT especially, I love that series. It’s the only thing I’ve ever re-watched 6x. I love every single character. They were perfectly cast.
I’m more excited now for this season, since I’ve watched the 1st episode. Just brilliant.
I know this is about fire and blood , but would of loved to see at least a episode or two to see everything that went on in Winterfell during that period. I get though . But Aegon wanting to be loved by the small folk was a humorous surprise. You get a sheep , he gets a sheep 🐑. Original Oprah Winfrey
Blood and Cheese killing is different from the Dance of the Dragon history & lore. They didn't make make one talk in the living child's ear of "Your mama wants you dead", before slicing the other's throat.
Awesome episode. What bothered me most I think was Jacaerys's total change of haircut only in a flight's time.
Blood and Cheese was way worse in the books. Pretty anticlimatic in the show.....this was a script change that didnt land well in my opinion
Blood and cheese are comedy,but that sound design 😢
Ending was a little botched unfortunately. 😢 Blood and Cheese should've just robbed the royal purse and fled given the lackluster security. 😂 The whole setup was ridiculous.
I really thought they would go full-on 'boar on the floor' when Aegon said "I think he wants a ride" 😄
Cheese anyone?
To soon 😂
Looks like alicent was making some with how she was riding cole 😂😂😂😂😂
Oof @@laurafabianmarrero
that fucker kicked the dawg😭
Book: ask for the mother to choose between two sons, she asks them to kill her instead, and when denied chooses the younger thinking he wont know what’s happening, they kill the older haunting her with regret
Show: they ask who the boy is, she points to the boy
Honestly, the performances were beautiful and the directing was solid but the writing was subpar guys, remember what George just told us about adaptations
The book versions feels a bit cartoonish. Blood and cheese here are two people wanting to get paid and GTFO. Fire and blood is written by chronicles who thrives on drama and invention, Hotd is more grounded.
@@linlawson1530 i agree the book is cartoonish and didnt need to be fully the same, but in the show the impact was just not there
@@jeanbutinfrench Or, the book version was highly exaggerated by biased maesters and a little jester who may or may not wanted to make Daemon look even worse of a monster.
More than likely Haelena made a calculated decision, if she lied they could have killed the girl... and then checked, realized they didn't get the son and still kill him, and possibly her for their trouble. As it stood, they weren't there for her, and she knew it, so by telling the truth, grabbing her daughter and booking it, there stood a better chance to save _something_. Note how despite her loathing being touched in general she grabbed her daughter hard and didn't let go.
@@maxi1ification I thought the same.
Excellent and very dark episode from start to finish, out of all the moments my favorite was when Cheese looks into Helena's eyes and realizes she's telling the truth, and for a moment he's more terrified of her because she's able to make that calculating decision.
Finish was stupid as well as whole b&ch point was lost
@@queenxx1690 what point was that? I've read the book, that whole scene is a page and a half, and in the books there is another younger child she chooses, so it couldn't be translated identically to screen. So given what show was working with it was executed (pardon the pun) beautifully
Love this series but they royally Effed up blood and cheese, it didn't make sense. A lot more clarity in the books for that part. The rest was good but they need to watch those key moments.
Emma darcy deserve an emmy for her emotional performance this episode seeing rhaenyra rage , and grief over the loss of lucerys especially the scene with jace breaking down crying over the loss of brother with his mom was heartbreaking 😭🖤.
Disappointed in this episode not gonna lie.
I wonder how they will explain changing the bit of Alicent being a hostage of B&C when Helaena and her children come upon them to Alicent banging Criston Cole. That was a seriously 'wft?' moment for me. Not to mention Helaena offering her necklace in exchange for her children's safety instead of her own life.
How they will explain what? Tf are they supposed to be explaining lmao the whole thing is clear enough, it deviates from the books and that’s it
That scene was such a disgrace.
They wanted to shit on the Greens. I'm surprised they even included Blood and Cheese at all.
It's a disgrace, that's it. If the show does well from now on, I'll just forget this existed. If it goes downhill...
That’s life. They all act more believable here than in the book. Helaena sees Blood and Cheese as they are: men who do something for money, so it’s very smart of her to offer her necklace. And not every mother would sacrifice herself to save her children. And her walking into mom’s sex also completely realistic, people in the night do this kind of stuff.
Book version is really hard to believe: how tf two guys can take a Queen mother hostage in a guarded castle and then do all the theatrical shit they’ve done. In the show it’s very realistic. Two guys not knowing where they are, fearing they might get caught, tortured and killed want to leave the place as soon as possible but they want to do at least something not to go back empty handed.
This was one of those episodes that just not only showed so many emotions, but actually made you feel all of them as well as it progressed
Where is Daeron Targaryen? Why wasn't he added to the series?
@@juliasugarbaker9032 I don't think he's in the show. They haven't even mentioned another son.
The murder scene was not as good as in the book. That's a real shame!
The episode was perfect, Cregan, Jace, Rhaenyra, Daemon, Aegon, Aemond, Rhaenys, Otto, Larys, everything perfect.
And you drop the ball like that in the ending? Like really???? One of the most impactful moments of Fire and Blood and you choose to do that????? I get that Helaena is special, but you're telling me she offered a necklace for her son??? A necklace??????? That she doesn't even react when his head is chopped off???
And then you choose to follow up that scene with one where you zlso butcher Alicent and Criston's characters????? Because you have butchered them, they had 0 fans, now they are hypocrites on top of all of their previous faults.
This is giving me Game of Thrones ptsd
Estuvdo increíble, cuanta tensión. ❤😊
how could y'all mess up blood and cheese so badly smh.
How did they mess them up?
@@Gallowglass7they didn’t, they’re upset because Helaena wasn’t forced to choose which son should die, when her second son doesn’t exist in the show.
Also, they have no consideration about what they can and can’t show on mainstream television. Heleana being forced to choose which son to die with her begging and screaming before they sliced her older son’s throat in front of her wasn’t going to happen in 2024.
I know mothers with young kids who almost broke down during this scene. If they copied the book directly they won’t carry on watching it.
Also, they made her character intelligent in the show. Book Helaena is extremely uninteresting (it’s a historical account so none of the characters are in-depth) and she knew they had come for a son. She knew even if she begged them to take her life, they would kill him anyway, and possibly her daughter too. The best thing she could have done in this scenario was save her other child and raise the alarm.
emma d’arcy is fantastic