pure gold. perfect example of paying attention to nature and learning from it what to do and what not to do. stefan's years of observation and experience really shine. took me 30yrs to figure this out. i wish i had this 40yrs ago 🙂
haha I wish I had this 30 years ago as well, that’s exactly why we put together the Masterclass so future generations would have the information available.
@@StefanSobkowiak yup... your channel is one of the reasons i did not bother putting up vids myself. the difference between our approach is essentially non-existent with minor, irrelevant variation on the same theme. most of the difference is due to our geography. your information would have saved me decades 🙂
Great info. Garlic chives are the best. The smell is wonderful when they flower and there will be loads of pollinators. Just know the seeds if allowed to drop will spread like crazy. If you want a lot of perennial plants this will do it. You are right about rhubarb. They don’t like trees. They will eventually die. I know as we had a huge rhubarb row and over the years trees grew in and I was able to save some plants, but when I dug the poor little plants the roots were like jelly. I used a handful of bonemeal in each hole and moved them to full sun. It was remarkable how they recovered in one year. I started a wildflower area and the wildlife kept eating it so I fenced it in and started an orchard. I use bark under all trees and berries and let the flowers do their thing. I also plant vining crop in between the rows of orchard plants to utilize the space and to keep the ground cool.
As a nitrogenfixing shrub, you can also use eleagnus umbellata. There are new swiss varieties, that are selectet to taste like red currant. Very easy to grow at my place
I will never most likely use your advice, you know, it's hard to grow trees on balconies. But the way you talk and explain things is so cool. You should be a motivational speaker. I enjoy your videos so much. Oh, and I changed my mind about wasps thanks to you. Like them now.
We plant food plot clover under our trees. For increased nitrogen. Wild red currant like a moist soil. Our northern Juneberries grow 30 feet. And the roots never die so always sending up more shoots. We have wild strawberries, black berries, reindeer lichen, and ferns that grow wild in our cherries.
My rhubarb is in nearly full sun against a rock wall. As it is on the south side of the wall, it is the first to start in the growing season and the first to produce. There is a young tree 5 feet from it, but after 20 years the rhubarb still produces very well.
It gets plenty of sun. The huge rhubarb patch at my folks was being taken over by trees through the years and they were almost non existent until I dug them up and planted in full sun with bonemeal. They bounced back beautifully.
Hi Stefan, I saw your video on grapples and looked into it further. In Roman and Medieval times they grew grapes on apples, I guess because they were a convenient trellis. In today's video, you seem to have gone off that idea. I had taken it that grapes were pretty light impact on the apple trees, particularly if you prune them to keep them reasonable. In your subsequent experience, is that not the case? Thanks for all this content.
It depends on the grape cultivar and the apple size. It can work on an established apple tree with a low vigour grape like Somerset, with some pruning.
How do you protect your berries from being eaten by the birds? Or what percentage of your crop ends up going to the birds? How do you protect your grapes from the birds also and how do you harvest them if they end up quite high in the tree?
I have a row of Concord grapes in my garden/orchard and birds are usually not a problem. I have never had to place a "bird net" over grapes. Now, blueberries and honeyberries have to have a net or you won't get any berries. Blackberries and gooseberries don't usually have a bird problem. Mid-Missouri grow zone 6A
Wow, and I thought my method of vertical gardening, kinds more intense than square foot gardening with layerings, ... you got me here with tree, shrub, perennial, vines, nitrogen fixers, ... and yet you didn't mention cover crop (clover etc, another nitrogen fixer) - and you have a Garden of Eden, if not a bungle of jungle biota !
your videos are so help full. we live in the swamp peat moss on top clay on bottom. we have a new area just opened up to re do . this year water is 4 feet deep. we winter cows in the farmyard. so me being me i started to deep till with a old hoe, i am digging 5 feet deep on average breaking up the clay layer mixing in green manure and mixing and mixing. we are racing snow as it will be here this week my question is if we do the fruit in ground it should be fine as we also are raising ground level . but as stuff gets going it should help roots because the ground has all been mixed up and loosened up .the area is only 54 by 84 feet . if there anything i am out of line in what we are doing . come spring we have many plants we have ready to add as well . i am sorry for long question but i trust you. could not find results of the fruit in the ground and how it worked
That number is intimidating. I am planning to develop a few acres so multiply by at least 5. Good thing I am already propagating berry plants and herbs. Would you use elderberry as a shrub or a tree?
Edible Acres comes to mind. They've definitely got a few seaberries and the skills to propagate them but I don't know if they sell them yet. Otherwise pretty much any nursery will probably have something in stock. Seeds are a good option too, I got mine from incredible seeds but that's a Canadian source cause I'm in Canada. Although with seeds, you'll want to keep in mind that some 50% percent will be male and you don't need that many male seaberries if you care about maximizing fruits.
Hey Stefan,
I appreciate all the time you put into your content. It's very helpful and I also really enjoyed your permaculture orchard video
My pleasure!
Wow. This was great content. You have me thirsty for more!
More to come!
Daffoldils are great companions for fruit trees, as they deter pests... moreover, they're beautiful ephemerals in early spring.
Love this
Glad you enjoyed it
great video! Just put kiwi and passionfruit next to mulberry tree with gooseberry and mulberry shrubs. then added aloe vera and agave too.
Good stuff! There are combos for every climate and region.
@RobbertvanHaaften - interesting mix of shrubs and vines! Out of curiosity, what zone are you in?
@@juliannegill5486 zone 9
😊😊 i was thinking, basic principles video would be fine. And here it is.
Perfect!
pure gold. perfect example of paying attention to nature and learning from it what to do and what not to do. stefan's years of observation and experience really shine. took me 30yrs to figure this out. i wish i had this 40yrs ago 🙂
haha I wish I had this 30 years ago as well, that’s exactly why we put together the Masterclass so future generations would have the information available.
@@StefanSobkowiak yup... your channel is one of the reasons i did not bother putting up vids myself. the difference between our approach is essentially non-existent with minor, irrelevant variation on the same theme. most of the difference is due to our geography. your information would have saved me decades 🙂
I like how passionate you are about what u do. Thnx for great videos.
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Great info. Garlic chives are the best. The smell is wonderful when they flower and there will be loads of pollinators. Just know the seeds if allowed to drop will spread like crazy. If you want a lot of perennial plants this will do it.
You are right about rhubarb. They don’t like trees. They will eventually die. I know as we had a huge rhubarb row and over the years trees grew in and I was able to save some plants, but when I dug the poor little plants the roots were like jelly. I used a handful of bonemeal in each hole and moved them to full sun. It was remarkable how they recovered in one year.
I started a wildflower area and the wildlife kept eating it so I fenced it in and started an orchard. I use bark under all trees and berries and let the flowers do their thing. I also plant vining crop in between the rows of orchard plants to utilize the space and to keep the ground cool.
Suck wisdom and generosity…you’ve changed my Permaculture journey
As a nitrogenfixing shrub, you can also use eleagnus umbellata. There are new swiss varieties, that are selectet to taste like red currant. Very easy to grow at my place
Can you mention one or more of those varieties that you like? I love autumn olive.
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I will never most likely use your advice, you know, it's hard to grow trees on balconies. But the way you talk and explain things is so cool. You should be a motivational speaker. I enjoy your videos so much. Oh, and I changed my mind about wasps thanks to you. Like them now.
Fantastic. Balcony gardens can be very cool.
Thank you for sharing. I found your visualization of one acre of trios to be really inspiring!
You are so welcome!
We plant food plot clover under our trees. For increased nitrogen. Wild red currant like a moist soil. Our northern Juneberries grow 30 feet. And the roots never die so always sending up more shoots. We have wild strawberries, black berries, reindeer lichen, and ferns that grow wild in our cherries.
Here in indiana. My gooseberries grow best in full sun. I have many in the ahade also and they just dont have the energy as my full sun spots
My rhubarb is in nearly full sun against a rock wall. As it is on the south side of the wall, it is the first to start in the growing season and the first to produce. There is a young tree 5 feet from it, but after 20 years the rhubarb still produces very well.
It gets plenty of sun. The huge rhubarb patch at my folks was being taken over by trees through the years and they were almost non existent until I dug them up and planted in full sun with bonemeal. They bounced back beautifully.
Thank you😊
You're welcome 😊
Hi Stefan, I saw your video on grapples and looked into it further. In Roman and Medieval times they grew grapes on apples, I guess because they were a convenient trellis. In today's video, you seem to have gone off that idea. I had taken it that grapes were pretty light impact on the apple trees, particularly if you prune them to keep them reasonable. In your subsequent experience, is that not the case? Thanks for all this content.
It depends on the grape cultivar and the apple size. It can work on an established apple tree with a low vigour grape like Somerset, with some pruning.
How do you protect your berries from being eaten by the birds? Or what percentage of your crop ends up going to the birds? How do you protect your grapes from the birds also and how do you harvest them if they end up quite high in the tree?
I have a row of Concord grapes in my garden/orchard and birds are usually not a problem. I have never had to place a "bird net" over grapes. Now, blueberries and honeyberries have to have a net or you won't get any berries. Blackberries and gooseberries don't usually have a bird problem. Mid-Missouri grow zone 6A
For berries we just plant more, so we both get some. We are just starting to get grapes, we will prune them to produce within reach.
Wow, and I thought my method of vertical gardening, kinds more intense than square foot gardening with layerings, ... you got me here with tree, shrub, perennial, vines, nitrogen fixers, ... and yet you didn't mention cover crop (clover etc, another nitrogen fixer) - and you have a Garden of Eden, if not a bungle of jungle biota !
Cover crop can be put in as the aisle for the first year and then let it evolve to whatever is best adapted to your region.
your videos are so help full. we live in the swamp peat moss on top clay on bottom. we have a new area just opened up to re do . this year water is 4 feet deep. we winter cows in the farmyard. so me being me i started to deep till with a old hoe, i am digging 5 feet deep on average breaking up the clay layer mixing in green manure and mixing and mixing. we are racing snow as it will be here this week my question is if we do the fruit in ground it should be fine as we also are raising ground level . but as stuff gets going it should help roots because the ground has all been mixed up and loosened up .the area is only 54 by 84 feet . if there anything i am out of line in what we are doing . come spring we have many plants we have ready to add as well . i am sorry for long question but i trust you. could not find results of the fruit in the ground and how it worked
We have a video coming up this fall just for clay soil, mounding and mulching.
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It’s like your creating a forest garden.
That number is intimidating. I am planning to develop a few acres so multiply by at least 5. Good thing I am already propagating berry plants and herbs. Would you use elderberry as a shrub or a tree?
Tree. Good you realize that now, get your perennials mother plants established.
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I can't say thank you enough for all the information you are teaching me. God bless you.
Anybody know a place in the US where one can get seaberry trees?
Edible Acres comes to mind. They've definitely got a few seaberries and the skills to propagate them but I don't know if they sell them yet. Otherwise pretty much any nursery will probably have something in stock. Seeds are a good option too, I got mine from incredible seeds but that's a Canadian source cause I'm in Canada. Although with seeds, you'll want to keep in mind that some 50% percent will be male and you don't need that many male seaberries if you care about maximizing fruits.
It’s worth searching for the thornless ones.