Fresh Waterline Entering Basement is Leaking. Got lucky it's not Flooding the Basement!
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Finally someone with a proper basement!
The homeowner must be an engineer
That homeowner must be an amazing gent. Built his own circuit board to make that transducer work with his computer, when most people can't even figure out how to update Windows. Took the time and effort to install those extra check valves and troubleshoot on his own the general location of the leak. And even had the hole already partially dug out for you in the correct location. I'm guessing that he was in one of the engineering fields back in the day.
While that leak was in a tough location to get at, I'm guessing it would have been even worse if that gent hadn't already done all of that legwork ahead of time. He at least saved you the trouble of having to pull the pump out of the well, and playing whack-a-mole figuring out where the leak was.
I'm betting that you wished more homeowners were like this gent, and were more proactive when it came to problems like this, instead of waiting until the whole shooting match failed or stopped working altogether.
He was definitely top notch! Smarter than most!
Working in a basement is a luxury versus a crawl space
Instead of digging with your hand, I use a screwdriver and a shop vac. The screwdriver breaks the 'dirt' into small chunks, and the shop vac evacuates the debris. Saves the hands and does a good job. A squirt of water to clean things off can also be vac'ed up. Makes a mess of the shop vac (use an old one), but makes the job easier, especially in hard to reach areas. Use this a lot on sprinker valve box jobs.
but a shop vac is easily hosed out, which also helps.
my father when ever he had a hole like that, where he might have to go back in a few yrs or so, he would fill with sand so it would be easier to re-dig
That dude was a real old-school tinkerer.
FWIW, I had a 180 gallon/day leak in the bottom of a 5000 gallon storage tank. The ground around the tank was bone dry. That leak was there for over a year before I accidentally found it.
Ownwe knows all Good Find
It would be nice if they made some type of expansion joint to "absorb" that movement.
I know they make them for conduit, but that isn't built for water lines.
Couldn’t you have used a pex or poly pipe to transition from the cpvc coming out the wall to the cpvc in the ground? That way if the ground continues to settle, the pex or poly will have enough play to allow for the settling without breaking the pipe.
Why not convert it to poly so it can cope with the soil movement?
Was thinking the exact same.
Since the ground is settling and I had the same problem, my plumber put a movable piece in the tube in the toilet line in the basement which had broke. Maybe something like that is also appropriate. The gent must dig deeper and make a small basement outside. Then put some more wire outside and leave some excess or else it will snap.
Many years ago, we had a water leak in our main water line coming into the house (71,000 gallons/month vs 12,000). There was no indication on the surface. We had to hire a person to pump a gas (Nitrogen?) into the line and that bubbled up where the leak was. The leak was pointing straight down into sand and no water (of more than 60,000 gallons) ever came upward.
I have heavy clay and during the drought last year deep cracks opened up in my yard. The movement of the ground pulled the line out of the ninety just under the concrete pad under the house. What a mess
Why didn't you just go a little deeper & just come off the main line with your new hook up ? Good video
May I guess that the smal water-leak helped the ground to settle even more? My thinking is if they have french drain under the dirt, but no fabrik in between as a barrier, the dirt gets washed down into the gravel and the ground sinks.
French drain has to exit somewhere... Either a lift pump or day light. Doesn't really matter. The home owner knows how to segment problems backed by logic.
still think best and most fun way diggin a hole is vacuum tanker and a pressure washer!
Or even a shop vac for small dry holes. Been doing it for years. Works wonderfully and saves the fingers.
I do geo work and that much settlement is down right bad grading/install. Any backfill on a basement should be compacted in 1 ft lifts. That seems like someone just push it back.
Here in South Africa we always use black pipe in any plumbing. The only time whit PVC pipe is used is for outlet grey to a gully. Sewage is of course white buried and that type of break is very very rare here.
Great channel man.
Regards
Great job well done as usual 👍
Since this keeps settling, could you make the last few feet of connection to the house pex instead of PVC and leave a little extra (maybe coiled or zigzagged) so the line adapts as it settles?
Definitely Pex or Poly for that amount of movement.
I use a "Sense" energy monitor to keep an eye on my well pump cycling. It logs every time it turns on and off based on the pump's electrical signature, with about 90-95% reliability.
If I had to guess, the homeowner is using an open source home automation system called Home Assistant. The little board looks like an esp32. I have a similar setup and am in the process of setting up the exact same type of pressure monitoring for my well. I also have temperature sensors setup so I can monitor pipe temperatures in the winter for areas where I have had problems with pipes freezing.
Pex fittings dont like to live long underground from what we've seen over the years.
Good to know, would the brass pex work better?
If you have the time I'd like to ask you a few questions about a well pump and the way it's set up.
I've never liked PVC of any form for waterlines because while it is strong, it's brittle, and sometimes people use the wrong glue for the temperature or don't twist it right. I like the 1" poly underground to pex A inside setup personally.
Same here
Instead of backfilling it again with the clay and original soil. Go to store and get sand and backfill it with sand
Any chance you could ask the customer if he would share any documentation he created for his pressure transducer project?
PVC pipe and fittings buried underground? Why?
Just curious why not put loose gravel around the new piping beside the house before putting the soil back? I would think gravel would relieve some of the stress on the pipe and stabilize the soil base around it. Great job of the home owner to detect the leak - and great repair job in a really tight space.
The "computer" is an esp8266. Little Arduino board that connects to other devices over Wi-Fi. You can host the sensor data directly to a webpage viewable by navigating to the IP of the device, or you can integrate the sensor into something like HomeAssistant that will notify you when certain conditions are met (low pressure/high pressure/frequency of pump turning on). You can hook up all kind of sensors to those things, temperature, humidity, flow, light-level. You can also have outputs to gauges, screens, LEDs relays, etc. Amazing device, costs like ~$5/each for the board if you buy a few at a time.
❤ you all did that the hard way 😂 that was a job for my crazy pup!!! He absolutely loves digging 😂😂😂 for an example the old timers told me when I was a kid it takes dirt 1 foot per year to settle back to original form… well?? I think the old boys missed it by a few years!! I got a waterline buried in a 6 foot deep trench that was 49 years ago sense the ground was disturbed.. I pored concrete wheelchair ramp for the future for my wife @5000 pound PSI mix. The concrete wheelchair ramp cracked diagonally in perfect alignment with the old trench from 49 years ago!! And nope the line can not be leaking because the inch and a quarter drinkable black plastic line is inside of 3” inch underground solid flexible electrical conduit, which is all downhill from the house to the well pit.. if there was a leak, it would be running backwards downhill inside the well pit. Because of three separate driveways and concrete and buildings going to be on top of it I buried it that way so all I had to do was hook a splice coupling at the house and pull brand new line clear the well pit because there would be no way to dig another line.. but regardless 49 years later I pore it and the only place that concrete wheelchair ramp has a crack was right exactly above the waterline trench🤷🏻♂️ so I can honestly believe that that service pipe has settled that much!! Nice job tho repairing and not disturbing the tree bushes❤
With that much settling in the ground right there you may want to seriously consider doing exploratory digging to find the problem. i cant even imagine what would cause that. BUT something is causing it. and it really should be found.
Can the hole be filled with sand or built with a small retaining wall and insulation at the ground level? Then it would be easy to find the path through the sand or remove the insulated cover and inspect the waterline-in.
Great video!
would a slip joint repair be best, it could slip while it settles
Love the hat man
What kind of waterproofing sealer did you use for that through hole? I have a similar problem spot I need to cure.
i would box in the hole and put a lid over the section. no dirt to settle onto the pipe. a lot of fittings. does t reduce pressure with so many fittings
No pressure loss - the internal diameter doesn’t change
As long as it doesn't get too cold in the winter that would work.
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Ask a pipefitter about u joints in piping. There is a method to the madness.
here in uk we bed lot things like this in pea shingle, allows the ground to move round the pipe. also easy to dig out later!
hope you like diggin phillip 🤣 what a pain job, got the best people to fix it though 👍
I have had a few customers that had this problem at the well. The pipe and wire going to the house would pull down so much it would break the pipe.
Why didnt you put a piece of pex pipe with some slack in it so if it settles more the pex will compensate for the movement.
I'm guessing the customer is an engineer.
@h2omechanic - What is the gray product you use to seal the foundation wall penetrations (13:24)? I have to reseal mine & hope to only do it once.
Love your videos. Thanks in advance!
Quick question. How do I know what type of gasket I need for a pitless adapter before I pull the thing apart? Should I just buy different ones?
If that was my house after the first break I would have added insulation to the hole and covered with a plate knowing the settling issue so I can keep an eye on it also maybe use a mechanical connection with pipe threads that can swivel down over time just my two cents
10 inches of settling??? no way that should happen.
@h2omechanic
1:28 I'd like you to explain that. In a sealed system a check valve can be placed anywhere. The only potential method for air is if the water column on the well side had entrained air and the vacuum of the water column draws the air out. That would be a huge stretch because the pump is below the water surface. I would not expect the water to be air entrained after percolating through the ground.... The operation of the check valve in the pump makes zero difference.
I don't agree with you replacing the air bladder either. That is not going to cause a pump to cycle during the night. Once the pressure is equalized it will cause a short cycle condition... but not command a start when there is no demand.
When u gonna be around Louisa?
Interesting problem. My well pipe comes through the foundation about 6 feet underground. I've sometimes worried about large rocks damaging the pipe..
Also, what's the Beagle name?
What's the type of dirt they have around your area I can't see it settling that far unless somebody didn't compact the soil before they poured the basement basement that's just unreal for that much movement especially what appears to be clay and gravel that you were digging in must have not been pounded down before it was built LOL hopefully this was the last time for you to be there on that problem
Great content as usual!
Question: You always seem to use either stick pvc or black roll poly pipe in your installations. Is there a reason that you do t use PEX?
We live in an area of the city (Indiana) that transitioned from wells to city back in the 80s, but the lady who owned this never hooked up. When we bought the house, we had city water hooked up mainly because of water quality concerns (there are 100+ septic fields still in our neighborhood). The installer ran our service line in PEX and said that is the common practice here. So just curious why you don’t…..a regional thing?
Btw, we kept our well and plumbed it to the outdoor faucets…..it’s currently watering our grass on 3/4 acres.
Who glued that joint?
Apparently I did 6 years ago ( although I don't remember doing it)
@@h2omechanic Lack of primer?, bad glue?, no glue?
I'd put some insulation around that pipe...I'm in ILL.
is that grey elbow high pressure ..😢😢😢 looks low pressure discharge fitting ..😅😅
600psi fitting vs 450psi
Maybe if you packed the area around the plumbing with styrofoam peanuts it will prevent the soil from putting pressure on the plumbing if it keeps settling.
wHY CAN;T YOU USE A FLES PIPE, LIKE THE TYPE YOU USE FOR A SPRINKLER