@@somerandomguy9868 If you aren't playing overly aggressive and out of position without your team then you wouldn't need a pocket. Unfortunately that's just how tanks like Doom and Wrecking Ball are designed. The only exception is Winston because Primal Rage will save his ass after he overextends.
@@swiftyxrd well wrecking ball can sustain himself where as doom was designed to be a melee assassin dps. NOT A TANK. as doom one trick they goofed the ball on him so hard
@@opossum9813 Yes he can sustain himself, unfortunately Ball is about as threatening as a persistent mosquito even when played correctly. I think the overhealth passive was meant to be Doom's way of sustaining himself but they severely overestimated how useful overhealth is and now Doom is ruined.
ZBRA is amazing. He makes doomfist very strong. However, he also needs ppl who understand how to play around Doomfist. And trust me his usual gameplay is not so effective as ones we see in UA-cam. Doomfist is still the worst tank to play with as teammate
Well let's not put it in a way like its NEW in pocketing people, its no different from pocketing genji and allow him to get value, it just seems not as amazing because he does tank damage and with kids in your team who don't heal/damage makes him die fast, switching to a dps tank only helps so much. It really doesn't help too if people insist on using secondary healers and don't kill anything and give low dosage of heals, kiriko is a damage support, kill something of switch. DF is perfect on maps where you can smash them off the point really help too
@@intorsion na, junker queen is pretty weak but its way easier to get value. you can combo a squishy for a pretty easy kill if you land a headshot, axe then shoot after. plus your shout is pretty much a get out of jail free card
I think a way to balance dooms ult would be to buff its defensive abilities, since they clearly don't want it to be an assassination ult anymore. Make it so doom gets instant bonus overshields for every enemy in range of his strike, and also make it so every team member in range of his strike gets a small temporary overshield (like 20-30). This would make it interesting as it could have a greater impact on both team fights and doom solo tanking without reprising its role as the ana/zen/etc killer it held in ow1
I know this is 3 months ago but the perfect buffs is to make his power block cost less damage and make it so hes not affected by stuns or knockback. Or maybe make it so his ultimate lands faster
lol how is this balanced? doom hp must be 600, power block should block 100%, slam should damage 75, all punches must do a 1 sec stun, ult should be instant there is a lot of time for the enemy to dodge the ult blizzard is paid to ruin the only fun hero
Nah, Doom needs more shields from abilities from 30-50, power block should be immune to cc from the front (except maybe Rein charge) and the max dmg taken for empowered punch reduced to from 90-70. Oh, and slightly faster drop speed for MS and an empowered fist on landing. Boom, he's in a better spot. He'll have a loop- SS for shields, PB for defense, RP for knockback/kills, and MS ties it all back together. His lower damage and health is the tradeoff for his mobility. So now he just needs more survivability.
I have an Idea for how they can improve power block Section off the bar on the right into 3 columns Each column gives you a more powerful punch Column 1 would deal an extra 10 dmg Column 2 would deal an extra 20 dmg Column 3 would deal an extra 40 dmg Just a thought
This is pretty good. But it was made before the nerfed DF after his S2 buff. Rocket Punch's cooldown is mow 4s, in this vid, it's 3s. Blizzard clearly cannot figure out how to tweak DF - he's a mobility guy, so they nerf his mobility. According to OW lore, he can destroy a building with a punch - yet in game, he would barely break a wet lettuce leaf. He needs a massive rework. I'd buff him by using cooldown reduction on elims, like Genji has with his dash-slice which encourages DF players to engage hard.
The direction they’re going with the buffs sound so BORING. Make everything outside of empowered punch better don’t make it more vital to his kit than it already is. No one wants to play a Punchbot version of the hero nor do they want to play against it. Devs have no idea what they’re doing with this hero it’s sad.
@@maxkroeze3979 appreciate it man, I’ve been trying to find a timing for the directional keys and when to jump. Couldn’t find a video on it, thanks for letting me know
@@breohhh9655 practice make perfect man. you won't learn these things overnight. I would recommend dps doomfist guides (mostly the punch part). Thats where i learn most of my punch techs. Happy fisting!
@@breohhh9655 if u want all the doomfist techniques, getquakedon has all of it, np theres alot more mechanics like bouncing and diagonal punches, but these arent very good anymore with the doomfist tank change
His power budget is only in his empowered punch which is actually a good ability so the rest of his abilities suck. They need to buff his other abilities (SLAM!!!!) instead of buffing empowered punch in the next patch cause its so boring just blocking and right clicking some scrub for kills.
The fact his punch went from a max of 350 dmg to a max of 90 while losing a movement ability is crazy. And for what? 200hp and the worst defensive ability of any tank? This character got thrown in the dirt.
@@EHMSL1226 They Need to fully Revert him Back to old Doom just lower his Damage on his abilities he'd be okay i feel like. So people cant Complain and Bitch about Ohh he 1 shots Whahahaha! cry more yall mad cuz you could never counter him cuz u never actually tried or even wanted to get better by working with you're team. Literally having a team focus and work together against a doom is the best counter plus with CC or stuns. But since they removed most of them Which i think was kinda a bad idea. at least Keep Cree Stun I feel like and I KNow im saying Keep cree Stun lol Stun fan is a issue yes but its good for dealing with Tracers and sombras. and he should be the Only CC i think. But BUFF DOOMFIST man Hes so ASS. They Need to buff his Punch damage To at least 120 Not fucking 90 lol and fully Charged up makes it go back to 350 lol like come on!
@@EHMSL1226 Slightly increase the damage from the outer rings of the ult and slightly decrease the time it takes to activate and give it a fully empowered fist on impact and it would be alright
The life of a tank doomfist, smash everyone to LOW hp and not one dps to kill them (sign of a bad team) doom is a tank he does tank damage, if he kills cool but its not his job then secondary healers make DF more stressful to play as tanks need a huge dosage of heals regardless on what tank is used
@@LFanimes333 point is when a player uses doom their team isn't there to secure the kill cause they're probably too busy shooting enemy tank or trying to focus one character as a collective
Maybe because he's an off tank. Just like how Junkerqueen can't hold against 3 enemies. So little healing, shout cooldown way too long. Because OW designed tank as main tank and off tank. I personally think it's less efficient and risky to use off tank in role queue.
Look up, seismic slam, then immediately charge up powered punch. This should cancel seismic slam, but keep the upward momentum. Then just release the punch in the direction you wanna go 👍
doomfist should 100% go back to being a dps. As amazing as this gameplay is, does it really look like tank gameplay to you? doomfist wouldn't be trash if he just wasn't a tank, but since you're basically playing 3 dps heroes with no tank its just bad for composition, then people like this could actually see the results they deserve for playing a hero so well
Any idea as to how he cancels a slam without using an ability? I've never done that, maybe I'm missing something, is it as simple as pressing jump, or reactivating the ability?
Sobria is so annoying, and I will maintain my opinion that blizzard should remove either all of her hack abilities, or her character entirely. Worst character in the game
I think people complain too much about doom fist, just because they don't have the patience to learn a character with a higher skill cap. He IS a bit rough to play, but he isn't God awful, people just need to be patient and get better
I've been GM since season 6 on either tank or dps, alternating. DF is legitimate garbage currently. You shouldn't need to have a thousand hours on one character for him to be even remotely viable in higher rank. They removed over a dozen DF tech. His punch does no damage. His slam is a joke. His block doesn't even actually block everything which you NEED to do to have access to your non useless punch. Or just play zarya/hog/orisa and be more far more effective with 1/5th of the skill required. Pretending it's a skill issue is a joke. ZBRA is usually T500, so is GetQuakedOn. I'm currently low GM. It's not much of a practice issue when the best DF players are doing 40 things per minute for no damage and die and the enemy Zarya or Orisa is walking around invincible doing constant damage and displacement.
The problem it's that tanks are broken, tanks have more dps than the dps role itself and add their massive health, You get a broken role. Doomfist isn't broken and that's where the complains starts. Just nerf the tanks in general, just make them do less damage, that's the role of a dps, not a tank. Unless it's a tank like Roadhog, there's no much he can do unless it's damage and kill someone.
@@Busterzuzu4398 He's legitimately not worth playing at higher ELO. Half the roster counters you and there's a dozen reasons as to why. Almost every aspect besides the primary fire and ultimate need to be significantly tuned.
nothing is "god" about this guy hes just a normal player who learnt to use doomfist the way it was intended to be used and not to mention hes getting crazy good heals anyone can look "god" like if they got proper heals while knowing how to use the character
By far the worst tank in the game, 0 damages, low hp pool, dogshit powerblock that can be interrupted by cc, worst ult in the game. Just revert doomfist to dps hes so garbabe now his gameplay is not suited for tanking.
It seems to me his healers are the real mvp here. holy shit they worked hard to keep him alive xD
Yeah and everyone is gonna get it twisted and say he carried when he basically needed to be pocketed 24/7.
@@swiftyxrd thats just how tanks are especially doom since hes so weak
@@somerandomguy9868 If you aren't playing overly aggressive and out of position without your team then you wouldn't need a pocket. Unfortunately that's just how tanks like Doom and Wrecking Ball are designed. The only exception is Winston because Primal Rage will save his ass after he overextends.
@@swiftyxrd well wrecking ball can sustain himself where as doom was designed to be a melee assassin dps. NOT A TANK. as doom one trick they goofed the ball on him so hard
@@opossum9813 Yes he can sustain himself, unfortunately Ball is about as threatening as a persistent mosquito even when played correctly. I think the overhealth passive was meant to be Doom's way of sustaining himself but they severely overestimated how useful overhealth is and now Doom is ruined.
ZBRA is amazing. He makes doomfist very strong. However, he also needs ppl who understand how to play around Doomfist. And trust me his usual gameplay is not so effective as ones we see in UA-cam. Doomfist is still the worst tank to play with as teammate
Well let's not put it in a way like its NEW in pocketing people, its no different from pocketing genji and allow him to get value, it just seems not as amazing because he does tank damage and with kids in your team who don't heal/damage makes him die fast, switching to a dps tank only helps so much. It really doesn't help too if people insist on using secondary healers and don't kill anything and give low dosage of heals, kiriko is a damage support, kill something of switch. DF is perfect on maps where you can smash them off the point really help too
id argue junker queen is worse
@@intorsion na, junker queen is pretty weak but its way easier to get value. you can combo a squishy for a pretty easy kill if you land a headshot, axe then shoot after. plus your shout is pretty much a get out of jail free card
Nah I watch his streams and he wrecks the majority of his games lol
Im a doom one trick and I agree. Zbra shows alot of his best clips. But doom has a lost of downtime waiting to punish the enemy
The DF one trick struggle: constant Sombras
0:50 wtf that momentum shift around the corner was nutty
"how am i alive and full hp?
the support main who's heavily under appreciated: 🙃🙃🙃
nah bro all zbra
All zbra? It's never all one person in this game. Mostly? Maybe
most definitely zbra
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I think a way to balance dooms ult would be to buff its defensive abilities, since they clearly don't want it to be an assassination ult anymore. Make it so doom gets instant bonus overshields for every enemy in range of his strike, and also make it so every team member in range of his strike gets a small temporary overshield (like 20-30). This would make it interesting as it could have a greater impact on both team fights and doom solo tanking without reprising its role as the ana/zen/etc killer it held in ow1
I know this is 3 months ago but the perfect buffs is to make his power block cost less damage and make it so hes not affected by stuns or knockback. Or maybe make it so his ultimate lands faster
@@縣 I just want it to go back to 80 blocked damage, block sleep, and season 1 doom for the rest of his kit. 3 sec punch, 1 sec empowered stun
lol how is this balanced? doom hp must be 600, power block should block 100%, slam should damage 75, all punches must do a 1 sec stun, ult should be instant there is a lot of time for the enemy to dodge the ult blizzard is paid to ruin the only fun hero
Swear
I agree with this 100% and df indeed was the most fun from the very start
I agree that Doom needs buffs, but this is way too much lmao. I don’t think most Doom players are even asking for this much
Also miss the old slam multiplier based on height
Nah, Doom needs more shields from abilities from 30-50, power block should be immune to cc from the front (except maybe Rein charge) and the max dmg taken for empowered punch reduced to from 90-70.
Oh, and slightly faster drop speed for MS and an empowered fist on landing. Boom, he's in a better spot. He'll have a loop- SS for shields, PB for defense, RP for knockback/kills, and MS ties it all back together.
His lower damage and health is the tradeoff for his mobility. So now he just needs more survivability.
Good to see behind the doom kill montages, this is the real struggle... He might get kills but it takes a good team to help their tank do tank stuff
Bro sounds so depressed being forced to play this character 😭😭
this guy sounds like he's really having fun playing this game
The fact that hes able to pull of the punch bounce off of random obstacles is amazing
i like that the sombra at the beginning said sorry
I have an Idea for how they can improve power block
Section off the bar on the right into 3 columns
Each column gives you a more powerful punch
Column 1 would deal an extra 10 dmg
Column 2 would deal an extra 20 dmg
Column 3 would deal an extra 40 dmg
Just a thought
Damn this makes me want to play doom again I loved him in OW 1 just having a hard time playing as a tank version of him.
Yeah he was so much more unique with uppercut and his og slam but he's fun still I guess
Zarya does not need two offensive bubbles defensive for the team is fine but an offensive bubble has made her broken since
This man paints with Doomfist... 😍🤩
This is pretty good. But it was made before the nerfed DF after his S2 buff. Rocket Punch's cooldown is mow 4s, in this vid, it's 3s. Blizzard clearly cannot figure out how to tweak DF - he's a mobility guy, so they nerf his mobility. According to OW lore, he can destroy a building with a punch - yet in game, he would barely break a wet lettuce leaf. He needs a massive rework. I'd buff him by using cooldown reduction on elims, like Genji has with his dash-slice which encourages DF players to engage hard.
This is one of the few players who can play Doomfist relatively well. Just proves how badly Doomfist needs a buff.
this aged well
@@matpat1232 this aged well
@@matpat1232 this aged well
@@matpat1232 he’s now worse then he was in the first place
@@matpat1232 aged actually well now that doom is worse than season 1
The direction they’re going with the buffs sound so BORING. Make everything outside of empowered punch better don’t make it more vital to his kit than it already is. No one wants to play a Punchbot version of the hero nor do they want to play against it. Devs have no idea what they’re doing with this hero it’s sad.
It's like they don't have anyone on the development team that plays this game competitively or casually on their free time to understand.
Something really cool happens with voice lines at 5:50
what?
Doom and genji say unleashed at the same time
I only started playing doom only because of this dude
1:16 Pushbot blocks LoS. Detection for that sphere is more forgiving
"how am I alive and full hp?"... I expect it from a Dva main but not from doom main 😞
Good thumbnail bro
Can we give credits to the ans for the good healing
How does he keep all that momentum and change direction so smoothly at 8:15 ?
press spacebar after punching while looking right or left for boost
its called turn punching, basically jump and active input a direction while ur in in the punch animation, kinda like tap strafing in apex legends
@@maxkroeze3979 appreciate it man, I’ve been trying to find a timing for the directional keys and when to jump. Couldn’t find a video on it, thanks for letting me know
@@breohhh9655 practice make perfect man. you won't learn these things overnight. I would recommend dps doomfist guides (mostly the punch part). Thats where i learn most of my punch techs. Happy fisting!
@@breohhh9655 if u want all the doomfist techniques, getquakedon has all of it, np theres alot more mechanics like bouncing and diagonal punches, but these arent very good anymore with the doomfist tank change
Its him, the throwfist main. Fr tho he needs so serious buffs and possibly even another rework because he just aint it.
Doom really needs a buff. I think decreasing the guard ability cooldown and increasing the punch speed will make things more interesting!
Or better, remove the guard ability cooldown at cost of no more reset of punch ability cooldown.
zbra is so good he makes me want to play this awful game
I think that it's in the back
I’m still mad at myself for never getting the Thunder Skin when it was available
It’s back
We all agree Doomfist need buffs ?
My man needs to have his power back
His power budget is only in his empowered punch which is actually a good ability so the rest of his abilities suck. They need to buff his other abilities (SLAM!!!!) instead of buffing empowered punch in the next patch cause its so boring just blocking and right clicking some scrub for kills.
Either they buff his dmg or give him more health 450 for a dive tank when you have Winston 550 dva 650 and ball 700 is absurd
bro he needs to change his name so people who don't watch his streams can't counter.him with every counter in the game
Doom has been the easiest hero to counter since his release it won’t matter what his name is when the enemy see he’s been picked
8:00 LMFAOOOO
Hear me out... 4 sec slam cooldown (maybe 5) and increase shield generation 20%. That's all he needs
And an ult that actually does something
The fact his punch went from a max of 350 dmg to a max of 90 while losing a movement ability is crazy. And for what? 200hp and the worst defensive ability of any tank? This character got thrown in the dirt.
@@EHMSL1226 They Need to fully Revert him Back to old Doom just lower his Damage on his abilities he'd be okay i feel like. So people cant Complain and Bitch about Ohh he 1 shots Whahahaha! cry more yall mad cuz you could never counter him cuz u never actually tried or even wanted to get better by working with you're team. Literally having a team focus and work together against a doom is the best counter plus with CC or stuns. But since they removed most of them Which i think was kinda a bad idea. at least Keep Cree Stun I feel like and I KNow im saying Keep cree Stun lol Stun fan is a issue yes but its good for dealing with Tracers and sombras. and he should be the Only CC i think. But BUFF DOOMFIST man Hes so ASS. They Need to buff his Punch damage To at least 120 Not fucking 90 lol and fully Charged up makes it go back to 350 lol like come on!
@@EHMSL1226 Slightly increase the damage from the outer rings of the ult and slightly decrease the time it takes to activate and give it a fully empowered fist on impact and it would be alright
@@Gamer_Luna Nah Doom was way too OP in OW1. They should just take his entire hero and throw it in the bin.
I see my user in this game and i have no memory of being that decent of a genji lmaoo
Wasn’t u buddy
Doomfist is so 💀
The life of a tank doomfist, smash everyone to LOW hp and not one dps to kill them (sign of a bad team) doom is a tank he does tank damage, if he kills cool but its not his job
then secondary healers make DF more stressful to play as tanks need a huge dosage of heals regardless on what tank is used
You do know that in OW2 “tank damage” is literally higher than DPS damage, right?
@@LFanimes333 point is when a player uses doom their team isn't there to secure the kill cause they're probably too busy shooting enemy tank or trying to focus one character as a collective
Bad tank not being punished for playing alone...
I jus now noticed that puch has a 3 second cool down.
bro int'd most of the game lmao
bro when doom was a damage dealer😓
The most insane ddoomer there ever was
It's in the bag!
lol rushes to the point at start. robot unlocks in 15 seconds. sit there and get owned. stagger team. A++++++++++
it's stupid how every tank could hold his own against like 3 enemies while doom being this weak
Maybe because he's an off tank. Just like how Junkerqueen can't hold against 3 enemies. So little healing, shout cooldown way too long. Because OW designed tank as main tank and off tank. I personally think it's less efficient and risky to use off tank in role queue.
5:50 does anyone know how to do that jump on console?
Look up and press whatever button you have for seismic slam
Look up, seismic slam, then immediately charge up powered punch. This should cancel seismic slam, but keep the upward momentum. Then just release the punch in the direction you wanna go 👍
@@Mike-zu1md it's seems working but zbra doing it without the punch, maybe the input in console isn't fast enough to register the cancel
@@adibpranata9986 I'm pretty sure the input to manually cancel slam is just slow in general
Does anyone playing doom fist feel that while doing meteor strike the enemies either don't receive damage or the ult can be dodged just by jumping??
yeah if you don’t hit them dead center, which is insanely easy to dodge, it does like 20 damage.
trying too try hard doomfist but so hard too focus fps and healer !
doomfist should 100% go back to being a dps. As amazing as this gameplay is, does it really look like tank gameplay to you? doomfist wouldn't be trash if he just wasn't a tank, but since you're basically playing 3 dps heroes with no tank its just bad for composition, then people like this could actually see the results they deserve for playing a hero so well
why does he always sound like hes gonna cry?
I would cry if I was in his situation
Where is brandito to reach no.1 in a week with doomfist, who tf is ZBRA lol.
Any idea as to how he cancels a slam without using an ability? I've never done that, maybe I'm missing something, is it as simple as pressing jump, or reactivating the ability?
hold or press the ability while it's going, also gets you more vertical movement and a quicker cooldown
KEF SWETHA
man i love his compilations but his stream looks painful to watch
I think doom should have infinite right clicks or Atleast a reload with like 20 rounds
No
Hell nah 💀
Do you want him to be broken or balanced?!
bro has max 3 hours in the game
@@Black_Aces he would still be trash but thats one thing to start? tell me why it would be bad? or "broken", his left clicks wont make him a sniper
so you just upload peoples streams and monetize it
I ve got their permisson to upload their gameplay on my channel
@@OverwatchReloaded o ok
Sobria is so annoying, and I will maintain my opinion that blizzard should remove either all of her hack abilities, or her character entirely. Worst character in the game
Winston plays better than ZBRA
dude just complains constantly, zbra better on mute
Lshift ability is so useless lmao
It’s required to gain the empowered punch
@@Busterzuzu4398 makes the empowered punch go from 20 damage to 30 damage. It’s butt. Maybe needs a stun if you can get it full charge or something
monke
Just steal his content!
Horrible person to have as a team mate though, constantly diving by himself and complaining about dying.
This was sad to watch
yeah
Doom fist is lame no cause of his moves
Idk doom feels kinda boring now. All it takes is charge up punch into free kill
I dont see anything impressive abt this
Wow get destroyed in 39 sec, really showed us the amazing skill
"Skills" anyone can do this.
dawg 💀💀
I think people complain too much about doom fist, just because they don't have the patience to learn a character with a higher skill cap. He IS a bit rough to play, but he isn't God awful, people just need to be patient and get better
I've been GM since season 6 on either tank or dps, alternating. DF is legitimate garbage currently. You shouldn't need to have a thousand hours on one character for him to be even remotely viable in higher rank. They removed over a dozen DF tech. His punch does no damage. His slam is a joke. His block doesn't even actually block everything which you NEED to do to have access to your non useless punch. Or just play zarya/hog/orisa and be more far more effective with 1/5th of the skill required. Pretending it's a skill issue is a joke. ZBRA is usually T500, so is GetQuakedOn. I'm currently low GM. It's not much of a practice issue when the best DF players are doing 40 things per minute for no damage and die and the enemy Zarya or Orisa is walking around invincible doing constant damage and displacement.
hes awful
The problem it's that tanks are broken, tanks have more dps than the dps role itself and add their massive health, You get a broken role.
Doomfist isn't broken and that's where the complains starts. Just nerf the tanks in general, just make them do less damage, that's the role of a dps, not a tank. Unless it's a tank like Roadhog, there's no much he can do unless it's damage and kill someone.
Highest skill floor, highest skill ceiling makes people scared of him and just write it off as bad. He does need some buffs but nothing crazy
@@Busterzuzu4398 He's legitimately not worth playing at higher ELO. Half the roster counters you and there's a dozen reasons as to why. Almost every aspect besides the primary fire and ultimate need to be significantly tuned.
nothing is "god" about this guy hes just a normal player who learnt to use doomfist the way it was intended to be used and not to mention hes getting crazy good heals anyone can look "god" like if they got proper heals while knowing how to use the character
Nah lol.
Sure, he is getting crazy good heals, but he also solo-carried his way into grand masters just by using Doom.
This is no small feat.
Still the most boring character to watch gameplay of but nice
This guy playing more and more worse
Did he? I think it's because he's climbing higher and higher on these clips, so the enemy team becomes better.
His rank is improving so he is hitting the higher tiers with better players.
Doom against sombra and other counters aint gonna make him better you know
@@6joemama9 To be fair, with a lack of a proper damage negation, anything outside of 40m is a half-decent counter.
He is playing doomfist and climbing the ranks higher and higher where more people probably pick more meta characters ain’t his fault
By far the worst tank in the game, 0 damages, low hp pool, dogshit powerblock that can be interrupted by cc, worst ult in the game. Just revert doomfist to dps hes so garbabe now his gameplay is not suited for tanking.
Agree except he has decent enough health it's just he gets shredded because of his low damage.
did black people