I’ve been training HI style for 5/6 years since I started training. Put on 20kg of muscle. 3 months ago I started doing it like this. I had to drop the weights by 50/60%, and didn’t need to do warm up sets anymore. I’ve put on muscle since doing this. I get strange looks in the gym, but that’s from people who look the same year after year
@@beatbaker7420 ANSWER THIS MAN! But if I was to guess it's probably upper body lower body split. I may separate the shoulders though. Ches/back then legs and then shoulders/arms. I'm going to listen to my body and get the feel before going back. Mentzer recommends plenty of rest before going back.
@@booya2k Been doing it like that, too. Monday chest/back, Wednesday legs and Friday shoulders and arms, for 6 months. I have 4 exercises for back, 3 for chest, 3 for shoulders, 3 for triceps, 2 for biceps and 6 for legs. Gained a good amount of muscle and my recovery was excellent with good nutrition, low stress and lots of sleep. Because I have a physical job I don´t think I could´ve done a higher frequency, though. For the last 2 months I´ve only been working 20 hrs a week so I thought I might crank it up to 5 workouts per week. I can still recover,, at least I think, but the overall fatigue is way higher and I don´t think with this style of training it´s sustainable in the long run. I haven´t even doubled my leg training because I felt from the beginning that would kill me after one week. I think chosing the right frequency for your HIT depends a lot on the volume of exercises for each body part. If you only do one or two each session you probably could be fine with 4,5 sessions a week if yourr recovery is on point. And of course, as Jay says, your ability to fatigue the muscles with HIT gets better with time, training becomes harder and you need more recovery. In the beginning I almost never really could go to failure so I did lots of rest-pause and drop sets. After 8 months now they have significantly decreased.
@@beatbaker7420 Update: Im back to High Intensity style but with a normal cadence. I just prefer it and enjoy training more. Im still gaining. 1-2 secs up / 2 down. My currently split is: Legs Chest, shoulders, Arms Back Each workout is about 45 mins and takes place over 9-10 days Ie if I train legs on Monday, I won’t be training them again until next Wednesday. (9days) 7days is too much for me to recover from as I have 2-3 BJJ sessions in there weekly too. I also never train weights and BJJ on the same day. First 1-2 exercises I’ll do a warm up set- 50% A medium set -75% The working set- 100% balls to the wall Using forced reps and negatives where necessary. After the first 1-2 exercises, I drop the 50% set. Then warm up with 75% and then do the 100% one. I work in the rep range of 6-12 for upper body 10-15 for lover body 15-21 for calves (shit calf genetics) respond to higher reps personally. Consistently adding another rep or an incremental increase in weight in training. Consistent progress, even after all these years. Started at 70kg naturally lean and cut. currently am 92kg. I have abs, right now the bottom two aren’t fully visible. But I’m competing soon -91kg, so I’m going to keep my weight at 90-91kg. Hope this helps
That evolutionary thing is so true. I find myself going over the workout in my head a day or two before. Just mentally preparing so that when I do hit it, I'm 100% going to failure.
I’ve been doing this HIT workout for a month (with a split between upper body and lower body) and it’s scary how much size and musculature I’m developing. Thanks for carrying on the methodologies of Arthur Jones, Menzer, etc…
@@k.dharman9708 oh yes, try squeezing your hands together, whilst pressing, instead of just pressing straight out if that makes sense to your body. Think of it as a pectoral fly still. I hope this helps.
Saw Elliots eyes about to pop out of his head, I did this workout today and I fully understand why. This was one of the best workouts I've had in a long time. Thanks for sharing Elliot!
Switched to this style a couple of weeks ago. Insane pumps, definitely looking fuller and feeling stronger. The workouts are way more enjoyable as I'm not just blasting through it to hit reps/weight and the zen like focus this requires feels so rewarding.
i found about this style from Elliot and Jays first video 4 months ago and i feel so stupid that i spend so much time doing other styles of training lol
@@hater3669 I'm new to lifting, chose 5x5 because it was a simple routine, and only a few exercise to learn and do, thoughts on riding it out, or just switch to this method? I'm 5 weeks in.
@@krisalan5327 my experience - i ve done several years of 5x5 and it worked ok. Now i train one set to failure per muscle group as Jay suggests for cca 6 months. I truly believe that for muscle growth and muscle retention it is the best and most efficient method. I m not sure how good it is for max strength but for strength endurance it is great. It is effective, time efficient and also tiring. You need some time to learn how to really reach true failure. Overall I would definitely do it instead of 5x5 if the goal is to gain muscle or dont lose it while cutting. Key is to do it safely with perfect strict form. I prefer to use light weights for it.
@@hater3669 I just started doing this 2 days ago, and as u said it takes time to get used to it and to fully go to complete failure......and being safe is the key also....with the plated and cable machines I can go to failure. I go to the gym by myself, so I can't safely go to complete failure with free weights when doing bench press.... When using free weights I've been pretty much doing 2 sets of 8 using the slow controlled movement....that shit burns so much.
but you're not stronger, because when going that slow... you using 50% less weight than everyone else. now, talking about "building muscle" , quantify the gains?
@@steveb6718 .... Muscle size and muscle strength increased. I can bench more weight for my 1 rep max etc. So yes I am getting stronger. The weight itself DOES NOT MATTER unless you are trying to test your 1 rep max. If you are going for a 3x10 workout you're using 50-60% of your 1 rep max so you cannot say that is gains either.
This is funny-scary... The mental fortitude to go through one of these workouts must be insane. Next setting... Planet Fitness... Elliot screaming combined with the "Hunk Alarm" will be a psychedelic experience. A partner is a plus for these types of sessions.
Honestly it will probably take time to decondition the whole 3 sets of 10 volume approach the fitness industry has told us was the best method. I mean I believe 1 set to failure works now(tested it on myself) I’m just still shocked I didn’t know about this. I feel lied to in a sense by even the natural bodybuilders on UA-cam. I didn’t have to gain minor injuries along the way or spend 2 hours at the gym.
i do the exact thing but always do a light warm up set to warm up the joints then maybe add a tiny bit more weight do 4 reps and then move to my highest weight with zero rest just change the plates and go for it to failure. these types of workouts work best with machine and far safer.
@@dtm4071 volume training isn't wrong and it works great but HIT also works it just means u go all out and rest like 4 days before your next session sometimes 5 or 6 days. if u do high volume and go to failure ur recovery will suffer as your already back in gym ready for another session before even fully rested. Now if your on roids thats another story u can do high volume to failure literally every day till u mess your joints up. As a natural u need plenty of rest unless u train without full intensity.
@@dtm4071 If you avoid failure and train at medium intensity. u can train every other day. but then you will spend more time at the gym. and that is ok if your a lucky person with the gym being very close to home.
Am I the only one that had to turn down the volume from a 30 to a 2 repeatedly? Only when Elliot is cranking out those sets 🤣. Amazing content!! Shows the intensity!
I’m doing upper/ lower split. Each half worked once per week. Previously, I was doing 2 sets to failure per exercise at 6 sets per muscle but with fast explosive reps . Now, I’m experimenting with only 1 set per exercise to failure using a slower rep speed of 3/3 with constant tension on the muscle with no momentum. Had to put ego aside and lower the poundage to do it, but the workout is actually harder. Gonna give it a fair run for a while and see how it goes.
I've been doing a variation that pre-exhausts the large muscle in the main movement patterns (lats for pull, chest for push, quads for legs). For example, I'll do pullovers, either with a bar or machine, and then move into pulldowns. I get fucking amazing results for my lats and my biceps .
He yells way to much for me...i could never train with a person that screams. Its a waste of energy and annoying. Go watcg the worlds strongest men...they dont scream. Its weird
I always considered hiit training with weights to be super sets, or some sort of curcuit where u move from one workout to the next...or basically doing one isolation move but taking very short 30 sec rest in-between sets. This type of hit training is insane.
watched your video on smoking and working out you made back in 2013 and fuck you are a inspirational man, got me pumping and off the darts much love man
Nice video! Well done showing the details of the exercises. Also glad to see you left in the shots of the guys bonding and chatting, just as valuable as the exercise portions
Simple guys…slow it down and never go beyond range of motion on either end that is at peak hold or back to beginning. Train with less weight and throw in heavier weight every no and then….mix it up however you….some days slow with light weights some days heavier weight and some days in between weight. You’ll be amazed. Listen to your body…..drop foods with artificial ingredients.
id like to hear Jays thought on Dorians actual training in the Blood and Guts video for instance...dorian seem to build up to 1 final max set and his reps in the early sets look like regular style reps.
Probably warming up with huge amounts of weights compared to the average gym goer. It’s such a great video, but Dorian was Mr.Olympia and on a fair amount of gear at the time.
If you are not training to failure you have failed the workout. This is cutting edge 1960 technology from big beyond belief workout. Everyone is too lazy to work that hard just ask me what gear I’m on because they think it’s just that easy take some gear and go the gym when you can and you will be a monster
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines yeah after 28 years in the gym at 230lbs and 19 3/4 inch biceps your the first guy to ever call me little. So you probably need to get out of your old routine if your not training to failure you been missing out for a very long time. Good luck to you and your saggy arms routine.
Hammer Strength are designed well also. He mentions if using low quality equipment then rest pause can be used. Since you may be just hitting a sticking point due to design inefficiencies rather than true failure.
A few points if I may. The Medx Machines that just kicked your ass LOL. Were designed by Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame. The Machines, as the Nautilus was, are designed around the primary function of the muscle. ( the isolation ones ). Arthur would take a trainee all the way thru on 12 exercises one right after the other ( have the puke bucket handy LOL ). The rep Cadence then was 2 seconds up then 4 seconds down. Your doing Super Slow here as I'm sure your aware. This was discovered by Ken Hutchins who worked for Nautilus back in the 80's or 90's. Dr Ellington Darden put some serious muscle on an advanced BB by the name of Keith Whitley back in early 90's. Your in a room full of a lot of History of HIT! Really nice facility! On your way North, stop in at Gainesville Health and Fitness and experience the X-Force Machines. Whole nother world!!
Arthur Jones: Regarding Hutchins, and with no attempt on my part to answer your questions in any particular order, I will only add that Hutchins appears, to me, to be a pathological liar; having known him for at least fifteen years, I have not, in fact, ever associated with him, and he has never been even indirectly involved with any of my work. During the years that I operated Nautilus, insofar as I am aware, he never even visited our prototype shops, and he certainly was not involved in the development of any Nautilus equipment. Quite a few people have been involved in the development of MedX equipment, but Hutchins was not one of them. Again, as far as I am aware, Hutchins has never even visited the MedX prototype shops, and we certainly never learned anything from him or used any of his ideas.
Only met Ken once when I went to his Facility in Altamonte Springs. The slow Cadence was put forth by him according to Dr. Darden Ias stated in his book, The Nautilus Book".
@brent norton Everyone who does slow rep training looks like garbage. It appears that the negative portion of a rep contributes more towards hypertrophy. If that's true, you would want to get through the positive portion quickly and focus on the negative. Going slow on the positive part of the rep makes you have to use less weight. And since we are stronger on the negative than the positive, using a lighter weight would make the negative less beneficial. A 2 second positive and a 4 second negative makes more sense.
Grab Dardens Book. Bigger Muscles in 42 Days. Go thru just the Leg Cycle. 10 second Positive 5 Second negative. These are Pre-Exhaust and REAL Pre-Exhaust. Your mind will be changed! Must be sure to have the machines very close to each other to move as quickly as possible between the exercises.
I wish this was as uncut as the first video you guys did. The first video felt like being such you guys in the gym and observing the workout in real time.
Also after I started doing this, I try to breathe fully in and out, and that seems to give me 1. More energy during the lift, 2. Endurance, like it feels GOOD to do more reps. And I feel like I WANT to do more, even though it’s still hard. It’s so strange. 3. It also seems to reduce the lactic acid production and my fatigue the next few days in between workouts. Has anyone else experienced this?
Here is the thing. There is no magic bullet muscles grow with consistent stimulation with intensity. This works and so does bro split, push/pull, whatever as long as it is consistent and intense.
I just started using this method doing full body twice a week. Takes some getting use to. Not really going to complete failure just yet as I'm on day 2, but I pretty much stop when my muscles are on fire. And being that I workout by myself, I don't go to complete failure with free weights. I just add a second set with free weights. On the cable and plate machines I do one set to failure. This shit is a killer , and I'm sweating like a pig
Same here bro i split push pull leg. I also had day 2 last night im rest today. I also learning the techniques to go failure yet i dont but i add a second set just by resting 5 to 10 sec then go on with my set untill im completely toast. Just by doing two sessions my hunger increase, i feel swole all the time feel thicker fuller, i also fet this training give me more deep down stimulus than regular nonsense gazzillon sets one. I will keep going on with this one also all you need two or three days in a week.
Im curious to know if this would be an effective way to train for someone who's goal is to gain as much muscle as possible since it does put the most metabolic stress on your muscles. Do you think bodybuilders should try more of this way of training?
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Ok. I will email Jay and ask if he will train you for a year. If you have results you stop being a pain in your own arse. If you don't have results you get the couching for free. Who's in n for the challenge of both of you!?!?! This way Jay can put the money where his mouth is and if he succeeds you will shut up for the rest of your life. And if he doesn't. Well then you're still a ...(blank) We take before and after foto's. And we will follow your complete journey. Than you get the opportunity to show the whole world you are against hit training and you are still small!
That’s the Nautilus Pullover machine. Haven’t seen one in 20 years. Those were my favorite machine and I’d switch gyms and drive a longer distance if I could find a gym nearby that had one. They are that great.
The X3 band system is a cool thing, based on the one set to failure system. A little pricy but you can do your whole body. Feels damn good after using it.
you really due need smooth equipment or nautilus with the cam to experience this in its true form. ive used some lesser equipment and its too easy for the weight to get "sticky" thorugh the motion or of course you hit that part wear the tension is less.
What a great Gym! But those noises are not necessary. Try not to wind your Body and try to keep the Head correct positioned during exercises, as Nautilus/Arthur Jones recommended.
I be jokin alot about Elliot because he is weird. However, I gotta say thank you for taking us how this protocol is applied correctly with Jay....... Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones's work stands the test of time..... Thank you.
Legit, switched to this type of workout, it's gruelling, biggest challenge is to keep doing it, but my god it's worth it 100%. And if you love getting a pump this is it!
So am I right in saying you do for example chest/back then the following week another body part? So only training once a week or traing two to three times a week then rest for a week? I'm asking because I've seen conflicting advice on YT and I'm going to start training like this and want to do it correctly. I'm 55 12st in good shape don't need to lose weight looking to gain muscle and strength.
To me it seems like two principles are being used. Dorian yates didnt train as slow which allowed him to move a little more weight to reach failure. There has to be a middle ground where youre moving the weight at a steady pace without doing it so slow that your sacrificing weight.
I want to try this but I’m afraid of the soreness. I do ac installation and from experience I know climbing around an attic with major sore muscles all week is terrible. Maybe if I do my workout Friday afternoon or Saturday morning I won’t be too bad off by Monday? Any advice?
I’m 59 and I’m a Sanitation Worker , part-time bus driver and basketball referee. Working 3 jobs and I do it. Go for it. I’ve been working out for 35 years so I love challenges. Strong mind Strong body.
Is there anyone on YT that is presently doing only this style of training and is making good progress? I would love to see their channel and progress but I cannot find any! Yet there are thousands doing higher volume and getting great results. I don't see how this can work on it's own for long term progress.
but the high volume guys with results are just getting those results longer than from doing 1 set to failure. These guys are wasting hours of their week in the gym when all they really need is 30-40 mins, twice per week. Plus, genetics play a big role in a lot of these guys on youtube
No, I havent, because youre not going to get an optimal amount of metabolic stress or cardiovascular stress doing it that way. Its good for a lagging muscle group but not as a regular training approach.
I’ve been training HI style for 5/6 years since I started training. Put on 20kg of muscle. 3 months ago I started doing it like this. I had to drop the weights by 50/60%, and didn’t need to do warm up sets anymore. I’ve put on muscle since doing this. I get strange looks in the gym, but that’s from people who look the same year after year
Whats your frequency and workout plan/split?
@@beatbaker7420 ANSWER THIS MAN! But if I was to guess it's probably upper body lower body split. I may separate the shoulders though. Ches/back then legs and then shoulders/arms. I'm going to listen to my body and get the feel before going back. Mentzer recommends plenty of rest before going back.
@@booya2k Been doing it like that, too. Monday chest/back, Wednesday legs and Friday shoulders and arms, for 6 months. I have 4 exercises for back, 3 for chest, 3 for shoulders, 3 for triceps, 2 for biceps and 6 for legs. Gained a good amount of muscle and my recovery was excellent with good nutrition, low stress and lots of sleep.
Because I have a physical job I don´t think I could´ve done a higher frequency, though.
For the last 2 months I´ve only been working 20 hrs a week so I thought I might crank it up to 5 workouts per week.
I can still recover,, at least I think, but the overall fatigue is way higher and I don´t think with this style of training it´s sustainable in the long run.
I haven´t even doubled my leg training because I felt from the beginning that would kill me after one week.
I think chosing the right frequency for your HIT depends a lot on the volume of exercises for each body part. If you only do one or two each session you probably could be fine with 4,5 sessions a week if yourr recovery is on point. And of course, as Jay says,
your ability to fatigue the muscles with HIT gets better with time, training becomes harder and you need more recovery.
In the beginning I almost never really could go to failure so I did lots of rest-pause and drop sets. After 8 months now they have significantly decreased.
The key part, “look the same every year.” 😂
@@beatbaker7420
Update:
Im back to High Intensity style but with a normal cadence. I just prefer it and enjoy training more. Im still gaining.
1-2 secs up / 2 down.
My currently split is:
Legs
Chest, shoulders, Arms
Back
Each workout is about 45 mins and takes place over 9-10 days
Ie if I train legs on Monday, I won’t be training them again until next Wednesday. (9days)
7days is too much for me to recover from as I have 2-3 BJJ sessions in there weekly too.
I also never train weights and BJJ on the same day.
First 1-2 exercises
I’ll do a warm up set- 50%
A medium set -75%
The working set- 100% balls to the wall
Using forced reps and negatives where necessary.
After the first 1-2 exercises, I drop the 50% set. Then warm up with 75% and then do the 100% one.
I work in the rep range of
6-12 for upper body
10-15 for lover body
15-21 for calves (shit calf genetics) respond to higher reps personally.
Consistently adding another rep or an incremental increase in weight in training.
Consistent progress, even after all these years.
Started at 70kg naturally lean and cut. currently am 92kg. I have abs, right now the bottom two aren’t fully visible.
But I’m competing soon -91kg, so I’m going to keep my weight at 90-91kg.
Hope this helps
That evolutionary thing is so true. I find myself going over the workout in my head a day or two before. Just mentally preparing so that when I do hit it, I'm 100% going to failure.
Got me cranking the volume between sets to hear buddy’s info and muting it during the sets to silence Elliot’s battle cries.
Yes , exactly. Watching this at midnight and the screams get loud
Me too hahahhah
Retweet.
I done the opposite
@@Kingbilly11 LOOOL
I’ve been doing this HIT workout for a month (with a split between upper body and lower body) and it’s scary how much size and musculature I’m developing. Thanks for carrying on the methodologies of Arthur Jones, Menzer, etc…
hey i cant really feel my chest working on a chest press machine only my arms. any tips?
@@k.dharman9708 oh yes, try squeezing your hands together, whilst pressing, instead of just pressing straight out if that makes sense to your body. Think of it as a pectoral fly still. I hope this helps.
Jay stay stoic
Elliott. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Love this bloke
Saw Elliots eyes about to pop out of his head, I did this workout today and I fully understand why. This was one of the best workouts I've had in a long time. Thanks for sharing Elliot!
Switched to this style a couple of weeks ago. Insane pumps, definitely looking fuller and feeling stronger. The workouts are way more enjoyable as I'm not just blasting through it to hit reps/weight and the zen like focus this requires feels so rewarding.
i found about this style from Elliot and Jays first video 4 months ago and i feel so stupid that i spend so much time doing other styles of training lol
@@hater3669 I'm new to lifting, chose 5x5 because it was a simple routine, and only a few exercise to learn and do, thoughts on riding it out, or just switch to this method? I'm 5 weeks in.
@@krisalan5327 my experience - i ve done several years of 5x5 and it worked ok. Now i train one set to failure per muscle group as Jay suggests for cca 6 months. I truly believe that for muscle growth and muscle retention it is the best and most efficient method. I m not sure how good it is for max strength but for strength endurance it is great. It is effective, time efficient and also tiring. You need some time to learn how to really reach true failure. Overall I would definitely do it instead of 5x5 if the goal is to gain muscle or dont lose it while cutting. Key is to do it safely with perfect strict form. I prefer to use light weights for it.
@@hater3669 cool thank you for the insight
@@hater3669 I just started doing this 2 days ago, and as u said it takes time to get used to it and to fully go to complete failure......and being safe is the key also....with the plated and cable machines I can go to failure. I go to the gym by myself, so I can't safely go to complete failure with free weights when doing bench press.... When using free weights I've been pretty much doing 2 sets of 8 using the slow controlled movement....that shit burns so much.
Been doing this type of training and I feel soo much stronger and I've been building muscle at the same time. Great content Elliott 💪🏽
That’s great man I’m glad to hear that. You’ll also never suffer from an injury again.
@@JayVincentFitness Thank you for sharing your knowledge 🙏🏽💪🏽.
but you're not stronger, because when going that slow... you using 50% less weight than everyone else.
now, talking about "building muscle" , quantify the gains?
@@steveb6718 .... Muscle size and muscle strength increased. I can bench more weight for my 1 rep max etc. So yes I am getting stronger. The weight itself DOES NOT MATTER unless you are trying to test your 1 rep max. If you are going for a 3x10 workout you're using 50-60% of your 1 rep max so you cannot say that is gains either.
@@StrongestVersionPSN and what is your 1rm at the moment? beginner gains?
This was awesome. Training like Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer.
@TEXNOW①⑤⓪④⑧⑥⑦⑨⓪③① are u my dad
Been watching both seperately, now you are collabing working out in a style of my boy Mikey Mentzer, dreams really come true
Yeah man. Mentzer was a big inspiration to me. Too bad he went so soon.
@@JayVincentFitness I can feel his Ki. Somehow he's with us.
This is going to be the hardest leg press you’ve ever done.
I believe you
This type of training is fascinating
It works
It's a hit in the face, and it feels great.
Doing it slow definitely hurts a lot but that’s how you see crazy amount of results
This is funny-scary... The mental fortitude to go through one of these workouts must be insane. Next setting... Planet Fitness... Elliot screaming combined with the "Hunk Alarm" will be a psychedelic experience. A partner is a plus for these types of sessions.
Honestly it will probably take time to decondition the whole 3 sets of 10 volume approach the fitness industry has told us was the best method. I mean I believe 1 set to failure works now(tested it on myself) I’m just still shocked I didn’t know about this. I feel lied to in a sense by even the natural bodybuilders on UA-cam. I didn’t have to gain minor injuries along the way or spend 2 hours at the gym.
i do the exact thing but always do a light warm up set to warm up the joints then maybe add a tiny bit more weight do 4 reps and then move to my highest weight with zero rest just change the plates and go for it to failure. these types of workouts work best with machine and far safer.
It's taken 50 years and counting yet here we are with the majority still doing volume training. If HIT worked so well we'd all be doing it.
@@dtm4071 volume training isn't wrong and it works great but HIT also works it just means u go all out and rest like 4 days before your next session sometimes 5 or 6 days. if u do high volume and go to failure ur recovery will suffer as your already back in gym ready for another session before even fully rested. Now if your on roids thats another story u can do high volume to failure literally every day till u mess your joints up. As a natural u need plenty of rest unless u train without full intensity.
@@sf2explus184 That's why we avoid failure like the plague.
@@dtm4071 If you avoid failure and train at medium intensity. u can train every other day. but then you will spend more time at the gym. and that is ok if your a lucky person with the gym being very close to home.
Am I the only one that had to turn down the volume from a 30 to a 2 repeatedly? Only when Elliot is cranking out those sets 🤣. Amazing content!! Shows the intensity!
This is the way to train period
I’m doing upper/ lower split. Each half worked once per week. Previously, I was doing 2 sets to failure per exercise at 6 sets per muscle but with fast explosive reps . Now, I’m experimenting with only 1 set per exercise to failure using a slower rep speed of 3/3 with constant tension on the muscle with no momentum. Had to put ego aside and lower the poundage to do it, but the workout is actually harder. Gonna give it a fair run for a while and see how it goes.
Please update us and don't be that guy that never comments ever again lol
keep it simple. no momentum and constant tension
I have been on this program for over 2 months now. The amount of strength and muscle I’ve gained is hilarious.
@@bcec03 hilariously good?
@@WiscoDrinks i think that's a given.
elliott is so hilarious. great duo these two! 😀
The gym scenario is very relaxing 😌. This is what a good environment should be. BTW your workout was very good though, I felt the soreness here
25:30 when elliott says ... I believe you! ... He knows whats coming
I've been doing a variation that pre-exhausts the large muscle in the main movement patterns (lats for pull, chest for push, quads for legs). For example, I'll do pullovers, either with a bar or machine, and then move into pulldowns. I get fucking amazing results for my lats and my biceps .
Pullovers before pullups and flies or peck deck machine before dips or incline press (pre-exhaust) is exactly what Mentzer advocated anyway...
If men could give birth, this is what it would sound like, lol. Definitely gonna give this a go at the gym.
My mom thought I was watching porn with all these uncomfortable breathing sounds
Elliott is so dramatic. LOL
Hey man try it you'll be feeling it too shit ain't no joke
Haha indeed, so funny
Lol
Hard to listen to with headphones, about blew my ear drums out lol
He yells way to much for me...i could never train with a person that screams. Its a waste of energy and annoying. Go watcg the worlds strongest men...they dont scream. Its weird
Good on you for going through it. Heavy Duty/HIT is no joke!
I never thought i see Elliot doing this type of training. I remember he had a few videos were he was talking crap about HIT.
I always considered hiit training with weights to be super sets, or some sort of curcuit where u move from one workout to the next...or basically doing one isolation move but taking very short 30 sec rest in-between sets. This type of hit training is insane.
That’s called growth and open mindedness
I like to see Jay working hard too. It shows that he is dedicated to this method.
I'm surprised by my own intensity faces during HIT as well. Wardance level crazy lookin'
Future of training
watched your video on smoking and working out you made back in 2013 and fuck you are a inspirational man, got me pumping and off the darts much love man
Nice video! Well done showing the details of the exercises. Also glad to see you left in the shots of the guys bonding and chatting, just as valuable as the exercise portions
If everyone trained like this the gym would sound insane!
hahahaha
Literally nobody would ever go to the gym again lolol
Usually you get your shit together after a few goes. :P
@@mikafoxx2717what
Been using this since I saw the first video. Loving it.
You still doing it?
Hey Micah, how's the results?
Lol they sound like when Forest Gumps mom was being nailed by the Principal hahah. Great video guys
Simple guys…slow it down and never go beyond range of motion on either end that is at peak hold or back to beginning. Train with less weight and throw in heavier weight every no and then….mix it up however you….some days slow with light weights some days heavier weight and some days in between weight. You’ll be amazed.
Listen to your body…..drop foods with artificial ingredients.
I started doing this for my abs on accident and they thickened up more than ever, I’ve been training 10+ years too
Did my 4th workout today. I'm really starting to see how this works. Can already see more definition in my upper body.
This was awesome.. I love this style of training so effective and your done in no time. But get one incredible workout
id like to hear Jays thought on Dorians actual training in the Blood and Guts video for instance...dorian seem to build up to 1 final max set and his reps in the early sets look like regular style reps.
Probably warming up with huge amounts of weights compared to the average gym goer. It’s such a great video, but Dorian was Mr.Olympia and on a fair amount of gear at the time.
cool
never seen Jay training calves tho, wonder what does he recommend on calves
Been training each muscle to failure 3 times a week. Gonna give this a go. Think I'm gonna struggle resting for so long.
I said "mechanoreceptor" I meant "mechanosensor".
What machines are these chest press and pull down
MedX
If you are not training to failure you have failed the workout. This is cutting edge 1960 technology from big beyond belief workout. Everyone is too lazy to work that hard just ask me what gear I’m on because they think it’s just that easy take some gear and go the gym when you can and you will be a monster
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines yeah after 28 years in the gym at 230lbs and 19 3/4 inch biceps your the first guy to ever call me little. So you probably need to get out of your old routine if your not training to failure you been missing out for a very long time. Good luck to you and your saggy arms routine.
Old School Bodybuilding Routines
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines You have no clue what you’re talking about.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding RoutinesI do hit and i’m 200 pounds cut
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines I am. You’re a dyel.
Love this type of training
Can this be done on generic gym equipment or is it specifically Medex/Nautillus machines that allow you to train like that?
Hammer Strength are designed well also. He mentions if using low quality equipment then rest pause can be used. Since you may be just hitting a sticking point due to design inefficiencies rather than true failure.
Good advice!! 👍🏻@@75pdubs
Such wonderful equipment in this gym . That triceps machine is one I haven’t seen before.
I had to turn the volume down, it sounded like porn. Great work men!!
A few points if I may. The Medx Machines that just kicked your ass LOL. Were designed by Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame. The Machines, as the Nautilus was, are designed around the primary function of the muscle. ( the isolation ones ). Arthur would take a trainee all the way thru on 12 exercises one right after the other ( have the puke bucket handy LOL ). The rep Cadence then was 2 seconds up then 4 seconds down. Your doing Super Slow here as I'm sure your aware. This was discovered by Ken Hutchins who worked for Nautilus back in the 80's or 90's. Dr Ellington Darden put some serious muscle on an advanced BB by the name of Keith Whitley back in early 90's. Your in a room full of a lot of History of HIT! Really nice facility! On your way North, stop in at Gainesville Health and Fitness and experience the X-Force Machines. Whole nother world!!
Arthur Jones: Regarding Hutchins, and with no attempt on my part to answer your questions in any particular order, I will only
add that Hutchins appears, to me, to be a pathological liar; having known him for at least fifteen years, I have not, in
fact, ever associated with him, and he has never been even indirectly involved with any of my work. During the years
that I operated Nautilus, insofar as I am aware, he never even visited our prototype shops, and he certainly was not
involved in the development of any Nautilus equipment. Quite a few people have been involved in the development of
MedX equipment, but Hutchins was not one of them. Again, as far as I am aware, Hutchins has never even visited the
MedX prototype shops, and we certainly never learned anything from him or used any of his ideas.
Only met Ken once when I went to his Facility in Altamonte Springs. The slow Cadence was put forth by him according to Dr. Darden Ias stated in his book, The Nautilus Book".
@brent norton Everyone who does slow rep training looks like garbage. It appears that the negative portion of a rep contributes more towards hypertrophy. If that's true, you would want to get through the positive portion quickly and focus on the negative. Going slow on the positive part of the rep makes you have to use less weight. And since we are stronger on the negative than the positive, using a lighter weight would make the negative less beneficial. A 2 second positive and a 4 second negative makes more sense.
Grab Dardens Book. Bigger Muscles in 42 Days. Go thru just the Leg Cycle. 10 second Positive 5 Second negative. These are Pre-Exhaust and REAL Pre-Exhaust. Your mind will be changed! Must be sure to have the machines very close to each other to move as quickly as possible between the exercises.
I've never seen Elliot so chooched after a set before. That's righteous!
Chooched, never heard this. I like it.
Doing this one set to failure has really helped especially with the muscles that never fukn grow like calves and abs.
I think i was overtraining.... been taking like 5-7 days off on a split and I feel great.
interesting stuff, glad that someone is doing this, I found that method years ago from Doug McGuff
I wish this was as uncut as the first video you guys did. The first video felt like being such you guys in the gym and observing the workout in real time.
Also after I started doing this, I try to breathe fully in and out, and that seems to give me 1. More energy during the lift, 2. Endurance, like it feels GOOD to do more reps. And I feel like I WANT to do more, even though it’s still hard. It’s so strange. 3. It also seems to reduce the lactic acid production and my fatigue the next few days in between workouts. Has anyone else experienced this?
Here is the thing. There is no magic bullet muscles grow with consistent stimulation with intensity. This works and so does bro split, push/pull, whatever as long as it is consistent and intense.
But what works the best AND is the most efficient?
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyMan whatever you will be consistent with over year's with proper intensity
I just started using this method doing full body twice a week. Takes some getting use to. Not really going to complete failure just yet as I'm on day 2, but I pretty much stop when my muscles are on fire. And being that I workout by myself, I don't go to complete failure with free weights. I just add a second set with free weights. On the cable and plate machines I do one set to failure. This shit is a killer , and I'm sweating like a pig
Same here bro i split push pull leg. I also had day 2 last night im rest today. I also learning the techniques to go failure yet i dont but i add a second set just by resting 5 to 10 sec then go on with my set untill im completely toast. Just by doing two sessions my hunger increase, i feel swole all the time feel thicker fuller, i also fet this training give me more deep down stimulus than regular nonsense gazzillon sets one. I will keep going on with this one also all you need two or three days in a week.
Jay Vincent = Mark Normand on juice
Top flight trainer and a top flight comedian.
Mark Normand is one of the funniest people alive
Can you give a review video on the difference in your progress trying these workouts. Haven’t came across one if you have done so already.
I always have to turn the volume way down when Elliot goes animal, as the wife wonders who’s getting shot, lol.
Im curious to know if this would be an effective way to train for someone who's goal is to gain as much muscle as possible since it does put the most metabolic stress on your muscles. Do you think bodybuilders should try more of this way of training?
Yes this is the method Dorian Yates used, modified slightly.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines And lots of steriods
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Yes volume plus Gh, sust, deca etc
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Ok. I will email Jay and ask if he will train you for a year. If you have results you stop being a pain in your own arse. If you don't have results you get the couching for free. Who's in n for the challenge of both of you!?!?! This way Jay can put the money where his mouth is and if he succeeds you will shut up for the rest of your life. And if he doesn't. Well then you're still a ...(blank) We take before and after foto's. And we will follow your complete journey. Than you get the opportunity to show the whole world you are against hit training and you are still small!
@@jackdame7475 I think he did more sets. Warm up sets and 1 working set. And I think he did not do the reps this slow.
i used to watch this channel a few years ago thought about it the other day and finally found it agai n
Wish my gym had that lat pulldown machine. Not many gyms have them now. I used to go to a good Gold's gym, they didn't have it either.
That’s the Nautilus Pullover machine. Haven’t seen one in 20 years.
Those were my favorite machine and I’d switch gyms and drive a longer distance if I could find a gym nearby that had one.
They are that great.
Key of this method, tension x time. All it matters for hypertrophy.
DO NOT crunch forward on the lower part of the Nautilus Pullover machine! Keep you back upright, with a very slight arch.
Tried my normal workout today. But I did each set (HIT) one rep to failure, but since I don’t have a spot I did a drop set as well.
Jay says he does that often as well
Hello. Where can I buy these machines? Thank you.
this gym looks nice af
The X3 band system is a cool thing, based on the one set to failure system. A little pricy but you can do your whole body. Feels damn good after using it.
you really due need smooth equipment or nautilus with the cam to experience this in its true form. ive used some lesser equipment and its too easy for the weight to get "sticky" thorugh the motion or of course you hit that part wear the tension is less.
17:24 lexington steele 17:36
What a great Gym! But those noises are not necessary. Try not to wind your Body and try to keep the Head correct positioned during exercises, as Nautilus/Arthur Jones recommended.
I be jokin alot about Elliot because he is weird. However, I gotta say thank you for taking us how this protocol is applied correctly with Jay....... Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones's work stands the test of time..... Thank you.
Really need to try this style out
Legit, switched to this type of workout, it's gruelling, biggest challenge is to keep doing it, but my god it's worth it 100%. And if you love getting a pump this is it!
Loving this shit. Started a few weeks ago. Never been more sore in my life
You still doing it?
Funny, it never really makes me sore
Ok Elliot, your screams are scaring the animals in the house while i'm watching this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can’t wait to give this a try with the guys this week
I wouldn't waste your time unless you want to do it for fun.
@@chris2489001 your comment is the EXACT OPPOSITE of reality.
So am I right in saying you do for example chest/back then the following week another body part? So only training once a week or traing two to three times a week then rest for a week? I'm asking because I've seen conflicting advice on YT and I'm going to start training like this and want to do it correctly. I'm 55 12st in good shape don't need to lose weight looking to gain muscle and strength.
Does bro have to scream like that 🤣😂😂 Sounds like Mr T on Rocky 3 😂
On Rocky 3
How many reps in each exercise?
E’s gonna kill it at his next Comp!!
To me it seems like two principles are being used. Dorian yates didnt train as slow which allowed him to move a little more weight to reach failure. There has to be a middle ground where youre moving the weight at a steady pace without doing it so slow that your sacrificing weight.
There is, that's what Paul carter suggests. 4 second eccentrics and 1 second concentric. And only train in the 5-8 rep range.
7:47 lol 😆
Rip Arthur jones he brought these machines yo life
Jay , can you try to demostrate a full workout only free weight ?
Maybe you should ask on HIS channel?
Watch their first video
@@jvm-tv thx bro
I want to try this but I’m afraid of the soreness. I do ac installation and from experience I know climbing around an attic with major sore muscles all week is terrible. Maybe if I do my workout Friday afternoon or Saturday morning I won’t be too bad off by Monday? Any advice?
I’m 59 and I’m a Sanitation Worker , part-time bus driver and basketball referee. Working 3 jobs and I do it. Go for it. I’ve been working out for 35 years so I love challenges. Strong mind Strong body.
Arthur Jones says soreness goes away after a few workouts
How many times a week per muscle group one set to failure are they doing? 1x? 2x? 3?
1х
Depends on genetics.
@@vacinadefrangoedurateston2532 the question was about them, jay and elliott
Is there anyone on YT that is presently doing only this style of training and is making good progress?
I would love to see their channel and progress but I cannot find any!
Yet there are thousands doing higher volume and getting great results.
I don't see how this can work on it's own for long term progress.
but the high volume guys with results are just getting those results longer than from doing 1 set to failure. These guys are wasting hours of their week in the gym when all they really need is 30-40 mins, twice per week. Plus, genetics play a big role in a lot of these guys on youtube
Did you guys warm up before this?
Can you do these with dumbbells and calisthenics?
When Elliot yells he reminds me of Power Thirst!
So what would a programme look like ?
Two exercises / one failure set per body part say twice a week ?
Guys please give tips for home working out this type ? I learned that drop sets will do , anything else ?
Jay have you tried instead of doing a split doing like one or two body parts every day or every other day so theres not a lot of systemic stress?
No, I havent, because youre not going to get an optimal amount of metabolic stress or cardiovascular stress doing it that way. Its good for a lagging muscle group but not as a regular training approach.
You gave him to much rest between exercises Jay and he was still screaming when he did his set. 😂😂HaHa
17:30 A short sample of Elliot training Jay's ear drums
You know your shit Jay! Keep em coming both of you 👍
He knows his shit for him learn what's best for you Elliot's been training forever he's just trying this now cause in training you always gotta switch
Awesome, can you provide a training program with the machines?
2:46 and then jump to 3:46 😂