Don't you mean the properties of the county officials who did these actions? Some of them probably have some sweet houses that they could trade for a trailer park home.
@@eldiablo7862 Yes, and also spoken like anyone that understands how city funding works. Not that the city officials that allowed this to happen shouldn't be tried in court, but they won't have enough assets to pay the difference anyway, even if they are forced to pay. Liquidating government buildings would be a colossal waste because they will just end up rebuilt at greater cost with new tax dollars.
@@big0bad0brad Unfortunately, city and county government workers/electees are protected from personal responsibilities with qualified immunity. Government is the only industry never held responsible for mistakes.
@@xenaguy01 Yes, government employees are the real sovereign citizens since they claim some form of sovereign, either full, partial, or qualified sovereign immunity from civil legal consequences.
Dead on with that one! We plebeians have to pay with blood, sweat, tears, unemployment and possibly jailtime when we mess up. Our leaders and law enforcement pay by using our taxes!
@@neilkurzman4907 yet, everyone of us common people and company are held responsible when sone court suddenly decides to change how things have always been done before...
Totally agree. Money and interest to those that had been effected. Guillotine for lawmakers that passed that law. Maybe then lawmakers will start to be more attentive to their citizens. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@ericlaska4748Primal document? The Constitution already included protections against what Michigan did. Fifth Amendment. Just compensation is required.
Bingo..Plus everyone that voted for this confiscatory, Unconstitutional law should face consequences.Report names, addresses otherwise these leeches will continue to live among us.
@@jimmyhamm9737. Actually, this was proposed by Governor Engler and passed at a time when Republicans controlled the state Executive branch and both the House snd Senate. The idea was that the revenue could replace revenue sharing payments which the state would not be able to afford if they cut certain business taxes.
@@jimmyhamm9737 Sounds more like what Republicans do over and over. They grab money and power any way they can and despise the little people, poor people, minorities, non-Christians, Blacks, browns and Democrats. They let business do whatever they want (as long as they donate generously to campaigns) regardless of how poorly they treat their employees or their customers.
What's more disconcerting is counties are fighting and scrambling to keep the money they stole. Courts should also include punitive damages to discourage such behaviour.
Can we then charge them interest on the money they failed to return?? When you don’t pay THEIR taxes don’t they charge you some “extra fee” for being late?
Even worse, when your property is seized and sold at a tax sale the county isn't going bother getting top dollar. Even if you get the surplus back, you're still taking a loss.
Just wait for them to give everyone the middle finger and sell the properties for *only* the back taxes so there is nothing to give back to the former owners.
The bourgeoisie is NOT destroyed, dummy. They're the destroyers. The middle class is turned into blue collars and the blue collars into beggars. Is that a win in your book?
Government steals from the middle class while benefitting the wealthy, who further fund their election campaigns. Paying property tax after you finish paying off the property is unconscionable. You must always have income your entire life, even after retiring, in order to pay the government for the privilege of just living on your legally owned property. Isn't being a slave to the government fun? 🤦♂️
It was a "valid" law on the books. People of the state of Michigan voted for the politicians who passed this, and they are ultimately responsible for allowing crap like this to happen. You cannot ask a candidate 1000 different questions covering broad policy topics expecting to get anywhere like this. Even for federal positions, the media only focuses, read as misdirects, on a handful of ultra important or mostly useless or benign topics. The gist of the situation is that there is a statute of limitations which, apparently, only goes back 6 years. It is, what it is. It sounds insulting, because it is, but pay your taxes! ua-cam.com/video/iFWK-r9B6QA/v-deo.html
@@ralphbentley5499 I have no objection to paying legitimate taxes. Government does provide services. THIS is highway robbery, much like civil forfeiture.
@@harmgregory4560 True,government does provide services with just a few exceptions. Such as Seattle,Portland,Atlanta,Chicago, Los Angeles, New York to name a few.
Reminds me of a bunch of tax cases in California in the 1970s. A bunch of California counties abused small claims court to sue over supposed unpaid taxes instead of regular court despite the fact that the rules of procedure bans tax cases from small claims to keep costs low. Some chucklehead judges in small claims (not all) decided that they would only throw the cases out if the defendant mentioned that part of the law so the counties won bunches of cases on the cheap. California bans attorneys from small claims, so it took forever before a defendant realized they were taken for a ride. Eventually it made the way to the California Supreme Court who ruled against the counties unanimously. Counties refused to return the money as ordered by the California Supreme Court.
No, it's *putting* people down. It's not like they won't get their money anyways when the lien is settled. With broken laws like this, it incentivises the State to find missing pennies to steal millions.
Why can the Supreme Court not hold the politicians and treasurers at the head of these counties be personally in contempt and start locking some of them up?
So, they get to set the tax rate, pass a law to keep all the money after they take your house, lose in court, and then change the law again after that? Wow. I see why the rest of the world hates us for our freedom...
"Most Legislators are lawyers." Legislator A: Let's make a law that screws people out of their money. Legislator B: That's illegal. Legislator A: So? Legislator B: Okay, let's do it!
Legislature B. Would say: Well, even though it's illegal, they would have to SUE to get it back. That takes time & money and I should be retired by then! Evil Laughter from both.
@@livinginvancouverbc2247 are you kidding? They just rely on two things: 1) a judge that will legislate from the bench. 2) the fact that most people do not have the money to butt heads with the state in legal matters. Win-win, but if the law was made where they would be utterly responsible for the damaged caused, they would think twice before doing such a thing. People don't forget, and if limitations were abolished, as in the Magna Carta, then they wouldn't even think once. Ab initio is a powerful tool for chronic criminal activity.
The problem is that standing overly restricts cases that could be brought to nip bad laws in the bud. If in 1999 the ACLU could have filed a suit on behalf of a theoretical average person that would be unconstitutionally impacted by the law, this could have been ruled on in a year or two instead of decades later, and injunctions could be issued within days or weeks. I understand why courts don't want to hear a case about a theoretical application of a law, but if we're talking about the obvious intended application then this kind of case should be allowed.
I am shocked that when a new law is purposed (let alone passed) that there is not a process to verify that all aspects of the new law is constitutional.
At times? More like almost always. Their whole family will have dozens of properties in each of their names. I know a kid that owns tax foreclosed lake front property already at only 18 years old and he doesn’t know anything about it yet. Won at a tax auction for around 5% of its value because a family member clerk made sure nobody else knew when the auction was happening.
@@Absaalookemensch that sounds like good practice and more people should speak about that, especially knowing the consequences of getting behind. Hint hint Steve...
Can laws be passed like this be passed without the consent of the people? So a group of legislators who are supposed to work for the people are actually working against the people.
The people can battle back with a People's Initiative to change law or the Constitution. Petition then vote.....WE can possibly make it so there are no foreclosures for back taxes and provide other means of collection for the state. We can also put limits on how much can be taken from a person in garnishment if that is in the initiative. 😀
That's kind of the pitfalls of having a democratic republic rather than a democracy. We really only vote on who will make the laws rather than vote on the laws themselves. This breeds widespread incentives for lawmakers to deceive voters into thinking they're working for the people while making self aggrandizing laws that hurt the people they claim to represent.
Damn --- I just made this same comment, word for word - then scrolled down and found out you beat me by 3 hours LOL -- don't know what the odds are, but, oops ;-)
Seriously, that man had enough of the corruption, its just sad that he had to die at the end of his protest. Seems like lately we have a faction that has caused more damage then he did, and gets a free pass.
@@dennismuehe6915 what is also sad is that the fellow with the killdozer is considered crazy instead of normal. We should all be like the killdozer guy. if that were the case these people wouldn't be stealing like this... They would be either dead, or afraid of being dead. In which case, they would behave. Our very so-called civility is what allows them to screw us over. They count on us not killing them and risking jail or death over it.
This is one of the most important videos you've posted Steve. Thank you. This practice is so egregious and amounts to taking by a government without compensation. Will this ruling trickle over to other states' laws?
There used to be an online civics test. The typical score was in the low 70th percent range. State and Local legislators scored below fifty percent. Some in the thirty percent range. And, these people write the laws.
I was driving down US 183 right after. I thought it was just a fire. Next day, first responding officer, friend of mine, tells me that the only person killed was the tax collector that was hounding the pilot. The guy just crashed the plane into the building not knowing where the collector's office was. So just hit it at a random spot. By sheer coincidence, the collector happened to be standing in front of the window on a totally different floor and section of the building from hos office. This was a one in a million shot.
People going back 21 years should have the right to get their money back, this law was never constitutional. They never had the right to take that money.
When it was declared illegal, how can it only be illegal for the last 2 to 6 years only? A bad law is a bad law from the date of being passed! All the money needs to be returned!
In the Clark County, Washington, they put a lien on the property if taxes are unpaid. They collect when the property is sold or whenever you find out and pay it. The big thing is, they do not tell you when you are behind or don't pay. I inadvertently missed a payment one time. By the time I figured it out I owed $168 in interested for the few months I was late - interest at 10%.
The battleline between good and evil runs through the heart of every man. Every government for the foreseeable future will be evil. They grow endlessly, we have to limit them as much as we can so we can maintain peace for as long as we can.
I'm an American living in the Philippines, here every major piece of legislation is submitted to the Supreme Court for Constitutional review before it is voted on in the congress. On average it takes a week to review. Maybe states and Feds should give it a try.
@roxcyn I've been living here for 9 years now. Other than the crazy drivers and the most common phrase of stores "out of stock" it's very good. The vast majority of Filipinos are quite friendly and speak English. What's not to like.
Don't they (the counties) have to pay interest on the money they took illegally? After all, the way you described it, the counties get to keep 15 years of ill gotten gains know matter what.
Ocala Florida charged a fire protection fee, the state says the city can not charge and must pay back the property owners. The city developed and new fire fee and has said in public that will not pay back the money they were ordered to return. Tax Law suits and courts can demand any government county or city to pay and the cities and counties do not have to pay. It is the responsibility of tax payers to pay the tax man or loss your land. Is this the reason we dumped the British. I have been taxed in Florida on my vehicle and when I called the state Department of Revenue and ask why I was told by state official that I was right, but if they return my money they would be fired. Government are the biggest crooks.
In some cities they just switched to fees on your water bill. Solid waste fee= Trash collection Snow and ice removal fee= street plowing City fire protection fee= fire department Storm Water Management Charge= water from your property running into the sewer Mind you all of this was covered by your annual property tax which didn't drop 1 dollar when all of these charges were added. Plus bonus county and city wheel tax!!
Kalamazoo... the same place where the county commission voted to try and take by any means two houses just so they can add it to Prairie View county park.
Have this lawyer also look at MERS in these cases that will say these houses are owned by MERS,titles are not to be found, please read HJR-192 all homes are owned by citizens not a town
Steve, I especially like the caveat towards the end where you felt it necessary to specify you were not speaking as an attorney, just speaking as a person. I totally cracked up at the implication! lol
This problem is all over the country. Here in Texas municipalities refuse to pay interest on water deposits too. I am going to take that to court, another class action case.
The amazing or just sad fact of these kinds of stories is that literally anyone involved could have leaked that it was happening to the press and stopped it.
omg, here even pawn shops cant do that. If you dont pick up the item and pay, any money that exceeds loan they gave you + earnings you agreed upon, has to be sent to you.
If it is unconstitutional now, then it was unconstitutional 21 years ago too. All the the money taken UNCONSTITUTIONALLY should be repaid. That's called giving a damn about the little guy - the individual citizen wronged by governmental action/inaction.
I recently wrote my legislators in Idaho about a new law that is in conflict with other laws and the state constitution. Amazingly one of the legislators, who is an attorney called me to discuss my issues with the new law. The disagreement comes down to, is an executive agency revoking a vehicle registration a legal taking or not.
If that were the case, the lenders would have been the first to file a lawsuit challenging this law. There has to be more history to this legislation. Lawmakers can be and often are lobbied to introduce legislation that profits them.
The home I own was financed by the home owner, my mortgage payment includes the payment for insurance and taxes, my home was almost put up for auction because he did not pay the taxes and I had never received a notice. He shows up and says I'm tired of doing you a favor paying your bills and and says I owe him $4000.00. I show him the contract and he walks out without saying a word. In 14 years I've never missed a payment, he's making 6 percent interest because that's what it was back then.
So let’s assume that the plaintiffs win their suit to get the money they are owed. Will the counties be liable for legal fees that it’s taken to get the counties to comply?
You can see where this is going - the county will charge "fees" for selling the property, maintaining the property, auction fees, etc., until there is no surplus is left over - the fees will eat up the proceeds.
So do all county treasurer have to give back all there bonuses they collected? I know in Wayne county the treasurer caught shit for it but he was entitled under law.
We got a letter from our town Treasurer saying that our house was going to be put under sheriff auction because of property taxes owed. He said that we can buy back our house for $ 3,400 (the starting bidding price). Turns out that after a few phone calls we owed only $300 and we never got notice and could pay to negate the sheriff sale. The Treasurer is also friends with the local realtors.
In Illinois they sell your property tax to an “investor” and you have x amount of time to redeem it. If you don’t the property becomes the investor’s and you’re just shit out of luck.
That you must explain to the legislators basic right and wrong in such a case means we need an overhaul of how people rise to those positions. Ultimately the property should simply have a lien against it. Done. Eventually the county gets it's money when the property is mortgaged again, or sold and the lien is settled. But seizing your property to make their budget is robbery.
Steve, the problem is that attorneys tell government officials something is unconstitutional, there’s just no punishment for doing anything you want if you’re in charge.
Counties can't afford to pay it back, well let's auction off county properties and keep the change!
The money has been spent. How will they pay it back.
Sell the elected officials property to pay the tax they made use pay. Anyone believes in tar and feather
Yep, sell off all of the BS 100k+ SWAT Team trucks and all of the Espresso makers and make the county personal take a paycut to repay that debt.
Don't you mean the properties of the county officials who did these actions? Some of them probably have some sweet houses that they could trade for a trailer park home.
@@Rhaspun Toss the GOV official in jail, until the funds are repaid.
If the counties continue to refuse to reimburse the excess money, maybe the former property owner should be able to foreclose on the county buildings.
@@neilkurzman4907 spoken like a boot licking government worker.
@@eldiablo7862 Yes, and also spoken like anyone that understands how city funding works. Not that the city officials that allowed this to happen shouldn't be tried in court, but they won't have enough assets to pay the difference anyway, even if they are forced to pay.
Liquidating government buildings would be a colossal waste because they will just end up rebuilt at greater cost with new tax dollars.
@@big0bad0brad
Unfortunately, city and county government workers/electees are protected from personal responsibilities with qualified immunity. Government is the only industry never held responsible for mistakes.
@@xenaguy01 Crap, that's right.
@@xenaguy01 Yes, government employees are the real sovereign citizens since they claim some form of sovereign, either full, partial, or qualified sovereign immunity from civil legal consequences.
This is why lawmakers need to be help personally liable for Unconstitutional laws they pass.
Dead on with that one! We plebeians have to pay with blood, sweat, tears, unemployment and possibly jailtime when we mess up. Our leaders and law enforcement pay by using our taxes!
@@neilkurzman4907 yet, everyone of us common people and company are held responsible when sone court suddenly decides to change how things have always been done before...
@@neilkurzman4907 Yes
@@neilkurzman4907 See my playlist Abolish Property Taxes Forever.
@@jasoneaster4671 See my playlist Abolish Property Taxes Forever.
If the law was bad in the first instance, liability should extend back to the date the law went into effect. Anything less is unfair.
Totally agree. Money and interest to those that had been effected. Guillotine for lawmakers that passed that law. Maybe then lawmakers will start to be more attentive to their citizens. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@ericlaska4748Primal document? The Constitution already included protections against what Michigan did. Fifth Amendment. Just compensation is required.
These "thefts" by "governments" does my blood pressure no good!
It's all dependent on the cestui que vie 1666, commonly known as strawman. Investigate.
Wait until the lawyers ask for the interest on the money which was illegally obtained.
Bingo..Plus everyone that voted for this confiscatory, Unconstitutional law should face
consequences.Report names, addresses otherwise these leeches will continue to live
among us.
Hmm...plus attorney fees, punitive damages, etc.
Yep. Plus fine them at the rate they fine late taxpayers.
The persons who wrote and signed that bill into law are the real criminals.
Damn right! Those scumbags are probably retired and dead at this point. The poor people been getting screwed for the last 21years.
PROBLEY A DEMOCRAT.
That person was also probably voted into their position
@@jimmyhamm9737. Actually, this was proposed by Governor Engler and passed at a time when Republicans controlled the state Executive branch and both the House snd Senate. The idea was that the revenue could replace revenue sharing payments which the state would not be able to afford if they cut certain business taxes.
@@jimmyhamm9737 Sounds more like what Republicans do over and over. They grab money and power any way they can and despise the little people, poor people, minorities, non-Christians, Blacks, browns and Democrats. They let business do whatever they want (as long as they donate generously to campaigns) regardless of how poorly they treat their employees or their customers.
The government won’t miss a penny that you owe them but they’ll take their sweet time repaying you any funds that your’re owed.
I wonder if you could do a repo on the government to get back your owed funds, and keep any excess.
What's more disconcerting is counties are fighting and scrambling to keep the money they stole. Courts should also include punitive damages to discourage such behaviour.
Can we then charge them interest on the money they failed to return?? When you don’t pay THEIR taxes don’t they charge you some “extra fee” for being late?
@Scotty Magillicutty
They certainly should, but won't be forced to.
Even worse, when your property is seized and sold at a tax sale the county isn't going bother getting top dollar. Even if you get the surplus back, you're still taking a loss.
Even more so if they don't get to keep the surplus.
Just wait for them to give everyone the middle finger and sell the properties for *only* the back taxes so there is nothing to give back to the former owners.
@@QunMang See my playlist Abolish Property Taxes Forever.
@@ABT212 See my playlist Abolish Property Taxes Forever.
See my playlist Abolish Property Taxes Forever.
The counties should be required to pay the money back, plus interest!
Double Interest!!!
Triple! Bastards!
And the Ruling should require that Counties pay it back retroactively going back to forever (since they began the practice).
Plus punitive damages
@@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO 1999.
Literally attacking the middle class exclusively.
The bourgeoisie is NOT destroyed, dummy. They're the destroyers.
The middle class is turned into blue collars and the blue collars into beggars. Is that a win in your book?
Government steals from the middle class while benefitting the wealthy, who further fund their election campaigns.
Paying property tax after you finish paying off the property is unconscionable. You must always have income your entire life, even after retiring, in order to pay the government for the privilege of just living on your legally owned property.
Isn't being a slave to the government fun? 🤦♂️
Why can’t they get all 21 years money back? It was stolen!
truly gr8 question _!_
It was a "valid" law on the books. People of the state of Michigan voted for the politicians who passed this, and they are ultimately responsible for allowing crap like this to happen. You cannot ask a candidate 1000 different questions covering broad policy topics expecting to get anywhere like this. Even for federal positions, the media only focuses, read as misdirects, on a handful of ultra important or mostly useless or benign topics.
The gist of the situation is that there is a statute of limitations which, apparently, only goes back 6 years. It is, what it is. It sounds insulting, because it is, but pay your taxes!
ua-cam.com/video/iFWK-r9B6QA/v-deo.html
The joke is paying rent to local municipalities for a home you paid for. You own almost nothing if it can be taken away by others.
See my playlist Abolish Property Taxes Forever.
@@ralphbentley5499 I have no objection to paying legitimate taxes. Government does provide services. THIS is highway robbery, much like civil forfeiture.
@@M167A1 Yes. For years I have called my property tax payment "City Lot Rental". I have no incentive to improve my home as my "rent" would then go up.
@@harmgregory4560 True,government does provide services with just a few exceptions. Such as Seattle,Portland,Atlanta,Chicago, Los Angeles, New York to name a few.
@@passinthru5992 guess you haven't lived in any.....
Counties keeping this money is kicking people when they are down.
Reminds me of a bunch of tax cases in California in the 1970s. A bunch of California counties abused small claims court to sue over supposed unpaid taxes instead of regular court despite the fact that the rules of procedure bans tax cases from small claims to keep costs low. Some chucklehead judges in small claims (not all) decided that they would only throw the cases out if the defendant mentioned that part of the law so the counties won bunches of cases on the cheap. California bans attorneys from small claims, so it took forever before a defendant realized they were taken for a ride. Eventually it made the way to the California Supreme Court who ruled against the counties unanimously. Counties refused to return the money as ordered by the California Supreme Court.
No, it's *putting* people down. It's not like they won't get their money anyways when the lien is settled.
With broken laws like this, it incentivises the State to find missing pennies to steal millions.
@@Carahan Where can I find out more about the final disposition of this?
Absolutely, offshoring jobs and forcibly closing businesses, they know what they're doing and just don't care.
IT GOT ME A GOOD JOB FOO!- I LIGHT THE CIGAR'S FOR THE MAYOR ANN POLISH HIS GOLD CIGAR CUTTER.
Why can the Supreme Court not hold the politicians and treasurers at the head of these counties be personally in contempt and start locking some of them up?
It's a big club and we ain't in it
The 83 counties should have to re-pay every theft going back to when it started in 1999 ... not just 2 or 6 years worth.
many municipalities were never particularly big on that thing, what did you call it? ...., oh yeah, the Constitution
So, they get to set the tax rate, pass a law to keep all the money after they take your house, lose in court, and then change the law again after that? Wow. I see why the rest of the world hates us for our freedom...
How many counties are there in Michigan? And not a single one of them is doing the right thing? They all have to be sued?
"Most Legislators are lawyers."
Legislator A: Let's make a law that screws people out of their money.
Legislator B: That's illegal.
Legislator A: So?
Legislator B: Okay, let's do it!
And lawyers get paid to sue the government. As long as someone in the BAR fraternity gets paid, it is all good for them.
Legislature B. Would say: Well, even though it's illegal, they would have to SUE to get it back. That takes time & money and I should be retired by then!
Evil Laughter from both.
As legislators they could just pass a law making it legal. If you don't like it, they can pass laws that will fuck with you.
@@livinginvancouverbc2247 are you kidding?
They just rely on two things:
1) a judge that will legislate from the bench.
2) the fact that most people do not have the money to butt heads with the state in legal matters.
Win-win, but if the law was made where they would be utterly responsible for the damaged caused, they would think twice before doing such a thing.
People don't forget, and if limitations were abolished, as in the Magna Carta, then they wouldn't even think once.
Ab initio is a powerful tool for chronic criminal activity.
@@danieljones317 You're pretty well agreeing with me, just from another perspective. Which means, I agree with you.
They should have to pay it back for 1999 and for all years since.
If only legislators had some sort of moral code, I guess that's just crazy talk.
Don't worry! They'll raise property taxes to make up for it.
The problem is that standing overly restricts cases that could be brought to nip bad laws in the bud. If in 1999 the ACLU could have filed a suit on behalf of a theoretical average person that would be unconstitutionally impacted by the law, this could have been ruled on in a year or two instead of decades later, and injunctions could be issued within days or weeks. I understand why courts don't want to hear a case about a theoretical application of a law, but if we're talking about the obvious intended application then this kind of case should be allowed.
Have these counties ever heard of Unjust Enrichment. Clearly they have no right to excess funds.
I am shocked that when a new law is purposed (let alone passed) that there is not a process to verify that all aspects of the new law is constitutional.
At times, the county officials, or their friends/family, will buy the house at auction for under value so they can double down on the immoral profits.
At times?
More like almost always.
Their whole family will have dozens of properties in each of their names.
I know a kid that owns tax foreclosed lake front property already at only 18 years old and he doesn’t know anything about it yet.
Won at a tax auction for around 5% of its value because a family member clerk made sure nobody else knew when the auction was happening.
@@jaxturner7288 Who said crime doesn't pay?
@@Absaalookemensch not I.
Just make sure you don’t ever pay the price for it.
@@jaxturner7288 I understood it wasn't you.
I live in a state where that stuff doesn't happen.
We also have property taxes paid a year in advance.
@@Absaalookemensch that sounds like good practice and more people should speak about that, especially knowing the consequences of getting behind.
Hint hint Steve...
This is cruel and unusual punishment.
Can laws be passed like this be passed without the consent of the people? So a group of legislators who are supposed to work for the people are actually working against the people.
The people can battle back with a People's Initiative to change law or the Constitution. Petition then vote.....WE can possibly make it so there are no foreclosures for back taxes and provide other means of collection for the state. We can also put limits on how much can be taken from a person in garnishment if that is in the initiative. 😀
That's kind of the pitfalls of having a democratic republic rather than a democracy. We really only vote on who will make the laws rather than vote on the laws themselves. This breeds widespread incentives for lawmakers to deceive voters into thinking they're working for the people while making self aggrandizing laws that hurt the people they claim to represent.
This is the stuff killdozers are made of.
Damn --- I just made this same comment, word for word - then scrolled down and found out you beat me by 3 hours LOL -- don't know what the odds are, but, oops ;-)
Seriously, that man had enough of the corruption, its just sad that he had to die at the end of his protest. Seems like lately we have a faction that has caused more damage then he did, and gets a free pass.
@@dennismuehe6915 what is also sad is that the fellow with the killdozer is considered crazy instead of normal. We should all be like the killdozer guy. if that were the case these people wouldn't be stealing like this... They would be either dead, or afraid of being dead. In which case, they would behave.
Our very so-called civility is what allows them to screw us over. They count on us not killing them and risking jail or death over it.
This is one of the most important videos you've posted Steve. Thank you. This practice is so egregious and amounts to taking by a government without compensation. Will this ruling trickle over to other states' laws?
There used to be an online civics test. The typical score was in the low 70th percent range. State and Local legislators scored below fifty percent. Some in the thirty percent range. And, these people write the laws.
Too much injustice going on in the name of justice.
The need a judge to apply the RICO statute on these politicians.
It's an old but true saying: "Don't steal. The government hates the competition."
remember the guy was forclosed on and flew his plane into the irs.
Yes in Austin . he was made out to be the bad guy but they would never admit they were corrupt no matter what
Yep JOE STACKS
I was driving down US 183 right after. I thought it was just a fire. Next day, first responding officer, friend of mine, tells me that the only person killed was the tax collector that was hounding the pilot. The guy just crashed the plane into the building not knowing where the collector's office was. So just hit it at a random spot. By sheer coincidence, the collector happened to be standing in front of the window on a totally different floor and section of the building from hos office. This was a one in a million shot.
This is exactly what happened to Timothy McVeigh.
@@hondo-pr4tu So, was he justified in bombing a building and killing a bunch of people?? I thought his main motivation was the Waco tragedy.
"The legislators should have known of the problems that were baked into the bill when it was passed into law." THEY KNEW AND DIDN'T CARE
Or did it intentionally.
People going back 21 years should have the right to get their money back, this law was never constitutional. They never had the right to take that money.
They should sell county buildings to recoup what was stolen and keep the excess proceeds.
I wonder if they would do this to county officials who were behind. I doubt it.
So if I "find " a county truck parked on my property I can claim it as mine.
When it was declared illegal, how can it only be illegal for the last 2 to 6 years only? A bad law is a bad law from the date of being passed! All the money needs to be returned!
The fair way to do it, is to go back twenty one years and pay back all of the "surplus"
plus interest.
I hope the home owners get to collect the same interest the state would of taken!
In the Clark County, Washington, they put a lien on the property if taxes are unpaid. They collect when the property is sold or whenever you find out and pay it. The big thing is, they do not tell you when you are behind or don't pay. I inadvertently missed a payment one time. By the time I figured it out I owed $168 in interested for the few months I was late - interest at 10%.
I live in Washington and dealt with this issue this year. The fines are outrageous and the amounts are even written into the state law.
I hope when they win they will place a lien on the county buildings in order to collect. That would be true justice.
How could this be perceived in any way as reasonable?
This is not about an evil government, its about a group of evil people in government.
NO... it is EVIL GOVERNMENT which is made up of EVIL People!!
The battleline between good and evil runs through the heart of every man.
Every government for the foreseeable future will be evil. They grow endlessly, we have to limit them as much as we can so we can maintain peace for as long as we can.
@@jiaan100 but where is ben
I'm an American living in the Philippines, here every major piece of legislation is submitted to the Supreme Court for Constitutional review before it is voted on in the congress. On average it takes a week to review.
Maybe states and Feds should give it a try.
How do you like living in the Philippines?
@roxcyn I've been living here for 9 years now. Other than the crazy drivers and the most common phrase of stores "out of stock" it's very good. The vast majority of Filipinos are quite friendly and speak English. What's not to like.
@@robertadams611 - I don't think I would like the weather and storms. I do like how it's more affordable there.
Don't they (the counties) have to pay interest on the money they took illegally? After all, the way you described it, the counties get to keep 15 years of ill gotten gains know matter what.
Ocala Florida charged a fire protection fee, the state says the city can not charge and must pay back the property owners. The city developed and new fire fee and has said in public that will not pay back the money they were ordered to return. Tax Law suits and courts can demand any government county or city to pay and the cities and counties do not have to pay. It is the responsibility of tax payers to pay the tax man or loss your land. Is this the reason we dumped the British. I have been taxed in Florida on my vehicle and when I called the state Department of Revenue and ask why I was told by state official that I was right, but if they return my money they would be fired. Government are the biggest crooks.
In some cities they just switched to fees on your water bill.
Solid waste fee= Trash collection
Snow and ice removal fee= street plowing
City fire protection fee= fire department
Storm Water Management Charge= water from your property running into the sewer
Mind you all of this was covered by your annual property tax which didn't drop 1 dollar when all of these charges were added.
Plus bonus county and city wheel tax!!
This should go back for the life of this process!
Why is it limited to 6 year reachback? Is that what the MI Supreme Court ruled? What about people who lost out 21 years ago?
"Crazy situation"??? ...sounds like a criminal situation.
Ben tucked behind the WABX-99 bumper sticker!
Merry Christmas, Steve, and non-robot-lady Heather!
Kalamazoo... the same place where the county commission voted to try and take by any means two houses just so they can add it to Prairie View county park.
Have this lawyer also look at MERS in these cases that will say these houses are owned by MERS,titles are not to be found, please read HJR-192 all homes are owned by citizens not a town
The counties don't want to give the money back because they have already spent it.
Steve, I especially like the caveat towards the end where you felt it necessary to specify you were not speaking as an attorney, just speaking as a person. I totally cracked up at the implication! lol
This problem is all over the country. Here in Texas municipalities refuse to pay interest on water deposits too. I am going to take that to court, another class action case.
The amazing or just sad fact of these kinds of stories is that literally anyone involved could have leaked that it was happening to the press and stopped it.
They should be paid back the owed money plus interest plus the equivalent of fines that would have been charged if the shoe was on the other foot.
omg, here even pawn shops cant do that. If you dont pick up the item and pay, any money that exceeds loan they gave you + earnings you agreed upon, has to be sent to you.
If it is unconstitutional now, then it was unconstitutional 21 years ago too. All the the money taken UNCONSTITUTIONALLY should be repaid. That's called giving a damn about the little guy - the individual citizen wronged by governmental action/inaction.
I recently wrote my legislators in Idaho about a new law that is in conflict with other laws and the state constitution. Amazingly one of the legislators, who is an attorney called me to discuss my issues with the new law.
The disagreement comes down to, is an executive agency revoking a vehicle registration a legal taking or not.
There is no Habeus Corpus for home equity.
Clever work-around for the County's funding deficit problems.
Another 5 point deduction to your social credit score - get ready for re-education
I've heard someone for closing a bank before because of seizing their home illegally
The Big Short meets the Michigan County Clerks. " Wow...What a surprise" said evicted home(less)owner.
need to add fees for delay of repayment. 20 percent annual fees sounds good.
I always thought all proposed bills had to be reviewed for constitutional compliance prior to congress voting. My bad.
What happened if the house had a mortgage? Was the lender out the money as well?
If that were the case, the lenders would have been the first to file a lawsuit challenging this law. There has to be more history to this legislation. Lawmakers can be and often are lobbied to introduce legislation that profits them.
Twenty one years to overturn an unjust law and the money will take another 21 years?
The home I own was financed by the home owner, my mortgage payment includes the payment for insurance and taxes, my home was almost put up for auction because he did not pay the taxes and I had never received a notice. He shows up and says I'm tired of doing you a favor paying your bills and and says I owe him $4000.00. I show him the contract and he walks out without saying a word. In 14 years I've never missed a payment, he's making 6 percent interest because that's what it was back then.
So let’s assume that the plaintiffs win their suit to get the money they are owed. Will the counties be liable for legal fees that it’s taken to get the counties to comply?
Already down and have hard time paying taxes +Most expensive asset taken + Having to find somewhere else to live.
How can they afford an attorney?
Thank you for posting this.
I'm stunned that anyone in their right mind would think that a county keeping the excess is/was acceptable. I'm literally gob smacked.
Here's a possible "fix". Legislators who voted for this law can pay it from their personal estates?
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There should be repercussions for lawmakers that pass obviously unconstitutional laws. JAIL THEM.
"Pocketing proceeds from properties? Preposterous!
You can see where this is going - the county will charge "fees" for selling the property, maintaining the property, auction fees, etc., until there is no surplus is left over - the fees will eat up the proceeds.
So do all county treasurer have to give back all there bonuses they collected? I know in Wayne county the treasurer caught shit for it but he was entitled under law.
Just handed the wife the tax info to pay it today Steve, thanks for the reminder
Just curious, why is capping damages at six years right, (or even constitutional?) Why not make the counties liable for *all* the theft?
I love it when the government gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar
We got a letter from our town Treasurer saying that our house was going to be put under sheriff auction because of property taxes owed. He said that we can buy back our house for $ 3,400 (the starting bidding price). Turns out that after a few phone calls we owed only $300 and we never got notice and could pay to negate the sheriff sale. The Treasurer is also friends with the local realtors.
If the law is unconstitutional, it should be mandatory to sue the law makers that man it. Rhe Constiturion vs law maker
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THERE ARE 2 PLACES FOR THIEVES....PRISON AND GOVERNMENT.
In Illinois they sell your property tax to an “investor” and you have x amount of time to redeem it. If you don’t the property becomes the investor’s and you’re just shit out of luck.
It would be interesting to see individual case studies of people who were foreclosed and any why.
This sounds as outrageous as civil asset forfeiture.
That you must explain to the legislators basic right and wrong in such a case means we need an overhaul of how people rise to those positions. Ultimately the property should simply have a lien against it. Done. Eventually the county gets it's money when the property is mortgaged again, or sold and the lien is settled. But seizing your property to make their budget is robbery.
I can’t believe that this would last if they stiff the mortgage holder as well.
Steve, the problem is that attorneys tell government officials something is unconstitutional, there’s just no punishment for doing anything you want if you’re in charge.
Steve referencing School House Rock makes me smile 😊
This happened to me in Michigan and it destroyed my life
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