I am Native American. Do not have a problem with the mascot. Native Americans were seen as great warriors that people were scared to fight. It’s a compliment. I’ve always loved the mascots.
Totally agree with Gene Weeden, I've always said there are far too many issues in the Native community to worry about than the name of a team or mascot.
Well I guess you lack the skills to see how these mascots are at the root of everything that plagues Indian country IT is about who has control of Indian Identity and since the start of this country it has been firmly in the hands of white people
@@matthewnorthrup1043 Hey white liberal with the white savior complex... if you are so guilty for something you didn't do then leave these lands ASAP and go back to Europe.
How is a mascot name intended to be derogatory or demeaning? I wast aware that a school or a professional team would name their mascot to reflect themselves in a self deprecating or negative fashion. Name just 1 non Native American named professional team that is meant to be self deprecating?? Please! This is nonsense.
Well you are halfway there. You are forgetting how white people view these only with text in order to suit there purpose while Indians fully understand the context of these things.
Stop talking nigga = shut up and dribble in a certain context. That’s the thing, context is only relative to the person relaying the message and the people receiving it. So Go fuck your self or in my contextual understanding, have a great night stroking your long hard ego as to what is right.
"In the grand scheme of things, we as Native Americans have far more important issues to worry about" That opinion shows how out of touch the "woke" crowd really is to offensive words
I myself get the mamas pancake breakfast with 3 extra sunny side up eggs. I love the Cracker Barrel. Best syrup and the best biscuits and gravy in the world.
He's saying it depends on the context being used. For example- Calling someone a Jew, in general, is not derogatory. But saying it in a condescending way can be. This is true with just about any label or title.
It is entirely dependent on the context of which "Jew" is said Like if someone calls you a "fucking jew" or something, that is super offensive but just saying "jew" by itself is referring to the group. Maybe "jewish" is slightly better? Maybe he meant to say "kike" - which is a pejorative for "jew"
TBH i dont find the actual name as offensive as the fans dressing in stereotypical hollywood movie type native gear. or dancing round like a fool nd screaming what they believe to be warcries. its just a slap in the face of native culture nd traditions.
Are you aware that the washington redskins were named when Jim Thorpe played for the redskins and approved of the name. The coach had integrated players from Carlyle college, an Indian college.
And, the Redskins first head coach was an American Indian, who thought the name was very appropriate, since a number of players were American Indian. People need to read up on that history.
Lets have an american join some european soccer team and then lets get them to name the team "the americans" with an overweight white guy as their mascot. Bonus points if the official mascot is wearing a maga hat, and fans can dress up as burgers to show their devotion to the team! That would be so respectful to America :P
@@kenanosmanagic ...except almost all of the team names and mascots are strong with the intent to portray proud warriors. Even if its an anglicized version the intent is pure. Sooo...not at all the same.
Cindy, you really need to educate yourself. Jim Thorpe never played for the Washington Redskins. He retired from the NFL in 1928, at 41 y-o. The name Redskins would first be used by the Boston team on 1933, before eventually moving to Washington DC in 1937. So, the Redskins team didn't even exist when Thorpe was playing pro football.
I attended a high school that Native American Indians helped build and it has a large auditorium with huge wooden ceiling beams that have hand carved and painted designs done by these same Indians. The school teams are the Indians and the mascot is an Indian. There was a movement to change these, but descendants of those Native American Indians blocked and said leave it alone, it was an honor to their ancestors to be portrayed as strong and educated people.
That's really cool! In that sense, I think that works wonderfully :) However, in the sense of the Cleveland Indians, there is respect there. The Chief Wahoo logo is a caricature and very disrespectful, not empowering like your highschool's mascot. Another subject of disrespect is the costume that fans adorn to show their devotion to the team. People will literally go into blackface so they can "support their team" which I find ridiculous.
@@kenanosmanagic it's just a smiling indian guy like u would find in a cartoon. what's so bad about that? you're only trying to find something to be offended by that if you really think what you think
Cheers to that man! Been a cowboys fan since i was three being born in Dallas. When they changed the name and logo of the Redskins, i was legit pissed about it because its always been an awsome team, team name, and damn great logo. The new name and logo sounds and looks like a high school or college bowl type thing to me
The Fighting Irish: Irish people have lands, culture and they have a place in the American dream.. Native Americans had only experienced an American NIGHTMARE!
Irish people were oppressed and killed by the British killed there people stole there land and are still being oppressed there native Americans my mom is Native American my dad is black she has a successful business and my dad does to yes lots of native people are oppressed but isn’t everyone around the world is by there government
@@ethanabelman2837to answer your question, yes, your claimed can be made to relate to others. With that said, you don't seem to correctly grasp the above comment - it was a nightmare for the Native American people perhaps as it's still a nightmare centuries onwards as nothing has changed for them .The culture and people has not been able to as yet, pull itself out of debilitating poverty. As individuals perhaps, but as a nation-not even close. One can claim a blood quantum connection to native Americans but unless you've been able to trace your lineage, its unlikely that you'll feel connected to the struggles of these generations of systematic poverty, disenfranchisement and the spiritual disintegration of a peoples. In my culture, blood percentage means snot-all. Knowledge of your people, of your roots and awareness/acceptance of the continued moderm struggles that are compounded by race & historical subjugation of Native Americans as a whole... all are necessary to claim your "nativeness". it's not a matter of different degrees of victimhood - who had it worse off /or all had it worse off so shuddup etc- it's about acknowledging that shizz happened, like really accept it, have a government willing to redress it and fix stuff, and then letting all that pain go and moving on as a united Nation. This takes knowledge and time, perhaps later you may feel more sympathy towards that side of you rather than disparaging Native American struggles. ☺ p. s The irish still rule Ireland, what do Native Americans rule?
shanaynayb well they actually don’t rule all of Ireland the British have control of Northern Ireland... the Native people don’t have land since we live in a united country for all people all races all cultures all religion even back to the 13 colonies when America was actually trading with you guys and were at peace then the whole war of independence happened and tribes were tuned against each other and turned against the British and colonies then tribes continued to go to war with the US after the war of 1812 and then were at peace it’s not like you native people wouldn’t do bad things during are peace like killing civilians so really the “genocide” is a war genocide of war Oregon trail were filled with people that hated natives for killing there friends or family which they killed a lot of natives while still at war also some people were welcoming of the native people and liked them and greeted and ate with them they would commit crimes like kill gold miners during the gold rush cause of anger on both sides and then I forgot which president but he wanted peace and to live together and they did which is how we got here today without war without torture it’s happened for a reason isn’t all land conquered I care for native people I simply care for human beings😊☺️💪
How are we to know they were truly the first and didn't kill who they found here? Also why do Asians and Native Americans look alike especially the Eskimo people of Alaska and Native Japanese look very similar
@@riggingpots3453 Ik that you wouldn’t otherwise know this but don’t call Alaskans eskimos because it means raw fish eater or something like that I’m Yupik Tlingit and Tsimshian (all Alaskan native tribes) and we don’t look like Asians I’m sorry it’s just not true
I'm in KC. what are these things? I haven't heard of them. They have made some concessions like changing the mascot from warpaint to kc wolf and finally just last year banning headdresses but I'm unaware of anything they have done to honor us. They may have, I just haven't heard of it. That is why I am asking.
First of all, why would we want a world where we can't use symbols and elements of each other's cultures? Should I as an American white be upset if a korean or native american family celebrates Thanksgiving or should I as a Scandinavian be upset if they'd name their sportsteam The Vikings? Do we want a fractured society where we are assigned different rights based on ethnicity? I don't. He claims that the logos spread information because they're using popular easily identifiable imagery which doesn't apply for all indians. Who said these are symbols that are meant to represent all indians? Here they are representing sports teams, not the entire native american collection of nations. It should be obvious why an illustrator would use popular and widely known and easily identifiable elements of Indian culture to make the viewer understand what he or she (OR "THEY"?) are looking it. Lastly, intent and context DOES matter.
Don’t ask them to live in the past when your using these images of their past.. I mean use your kind. Irish or British red coats .. I mean use your own. That way there’s no issues.. Your opening a can of worms with these mascots and Indian images
Arieson That’s a negative way of thinking. That stereotype was used by most during the past century to dehumanize them as violent, sadistic, psychopathic individuals masking as victims.
Jason Packineau seems to have it too good than to worry about the poverty, drugs, alcohol and more that plagues us Natives. So, as someone that is not affected like the rest, a mascot is the height of his issues. We call people like him "paleface".
Basically what he saying is names like Washington Redskins was never intended to be derogatory. And the name is self came about in part due to the input of Native Americans. And as somebody who has family on the reservations still myself, neither one of them and nobody I know that is pure blooded or mix by Native American has a problem with most of these names. They represent America! But what do you expect, you take the image of a Native American female off the box of butter, simply because you think it’s the right thing to do. You remove uncle Ben and aunt Jemima from their boxes and you don’t give a rats ass what their descendants have to say about it. This is not about the people and whether or not they’re offended. This is about crusading on behalf of other people in a sense of superiority someone gets for it.
I know I can’t be the only one, but when I see pure blood natives I get so fascinated and proud knowing part of my heritage is from that group of people
My first wife black my first son black Ying man native American born every 2000 years for millions of year's I've been having black native American people
It seems Mr. Jason Paceno has been in the educational system. Unfortunately he’s a liberal Trained mind is more respected. I am of Mexican Indian Heritage. I’ve always been proud!! All though I’m an not American Indian, it gave me pride to see our brother tribes honored. It’s funny how the minority seems so successful in their dismantling of anything they disagree with, just because they have some sort of a degree. They truly do see themselves as superior to the rest of us!
I'm proud to be a 'Redskin'. The younger guy reminds me of a 'soy boy'- offended by anything and everything. I am Apache, confident and proud of my culture. Honestly, I can tell you that the majority of my family and friends (from different tribes) are not offended at all. How much longer before we change the name of the browns. Stop being offended for me SJW's. The older man was right - the mascot isn't the problem among the 'nations', it's alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. watch the short video below ua-cam.com/video/4JC58UYeaBs/v-deo.html
I am an enrolled tribal member. No one in my community condones the use of "Redskin" as a team name. The fact that you are fine with a racial slur used as a team name shows how far we still have to go. Native Americans have been pleading with the U.S. government to honor their treaties and keep their promises for more than a century. The reason this still hasn't happened is because they, along with most white Americans, still do not view us as human beings worthy of respect. When obese middle-aged white men stop wearing our sacred religious clothes to their sports game and drunkenly yell obscenities then maybe, just maybe we will begin to be viewed with a shred of dignity. The fact that these grown adults are so upset about their sports team changing their name is evidence of their fragile white victimhood. If they react this strongly to a sports team name change, just imagine what they would do if they had to live even a single week on a Native American reservation. They wouldn't be able to handle it.
@@russ7009 Yeah, and the word *yankee* is a derogatory word created by Europeans to be condescending and demeaning towards Americans, but, the Americans turned that word into something more creative and positive and even made a baseball team called the New York Yankees. Even so called "bad words" can be changed. I think that's what societies needs to do to get out of this over sensitivity.
You're 100% right. Professional sports teams are not trying to be disrespectful or racist with their team names. Every team is based on a warrior of some kind (Patriots, Redskins, Chiefs, Buccaneers, etc), or an occupation of some kind (49ers, Steelers, Cowboys, Chargers, etc) or an animal of some kind (Raven, Lion, Bengal, Ram, etc). All these teams have mascot that usually look fun, goofy, silly, etc. But that's what mascots are suppose to be, so they can be entertaining and friendly looking. It really is a shame that society has gotten so sensitive to the point where everything can be cried about and taken down.
@@killsourenemy You are free to be offended if you want. But most people do not see it like you do. Since you see these things negatively, maybe you should do a little bit of research and find out why many people do not find these team names offensive, including many other Native American tribes. By the way, you all are more than welcome to have sports with white man team names and mascots.
My grandparents were all from Ireland. They weren’t offended by Notre Dame’s use of “The Fighting Irish,” in fact they were proud of it. When my grandparents came to the US (1905-1922) the Irish men couldn’t get jobs and the women worked as servants. They were proud of their heritage and as being seen as fighters who never gave up. Now 100 years later we’re still proud of it.
@@Initium1000 I’m sorry you’re so ignorant, but I’m not offended. I, however, wish you could find a more creative way to insult an ethnicity. Please do better.
The KC Chiefs was named after the mayor of KC that got Native American cutler to be added to national Boy Scouts and he did lots of work for Native Americans that earned him the nick name “Chief” and he was eventually adopted into a tribe and given the name “Lone Bear”.
Some schools try to honor our people. But different mascots are named for racial epithets. What if some of these teams named their teams for black tribes from Africa, Jewish tribes of Israel, oe any other ethnicity. The characters and team slogans get used by children to bully others and I should know. I had 12 years of it, growing up. The words were usually followed by violence. When I had cancer, I lost so much weight and muscle definition that over 30 scars appeared on my legs. After the doctor did a biopsy on one, it turned out to be scar tissue. He asked, "Were you hit or kicked a lot as a kid?" I said yes, I was. I will have these scars on my legs for the rest of my life; it was deemed too dangerous to put me under to remove them. And before you ask, no, the school district did nothing about it.
Invisible. That's the problem. Mascots are used to represent toughness, skill in battle, bravery. Yet when it comes to " their country" Indigenous people are invisible. Inclusion as a people is a pipe dream. Poverty, lack of opportunities and direction are at the forefront. We've wronged them in so many horrific ways then to extoll their virtues through a mascot is, in my mind, unacceptable. They are an ongoing people not stuck in the times of Hiawatha. They've fought along side of us in every war we've ever had and died as we have died. Where's the respect.This white dude can't even pronounce Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikira. If it weren't for these tribes Lewis and Clark would have failed their mission.
Siksiki Indian here, this guy said they are categorizing all Indians as one and they are very diverse. True, spread that word. Encourage teams to whom utilize Native American logos/names to provide education on their local tribes etc. To just go at it broadly and ask all teams to stop using Indian as a name or Indian logos for a team is very short minded. Maybe jumping in that millennial wagon with hopes of getting some quick money or fam? Teams use names/logos/mascots that are brave, strong, tough, resilient. If one has that much offended feelings by a team using Indian logos etc. they need to look within and seek therapy. Find your harmony, use your passion and energy for something productive for the native culture not erase it from Current/future history.
I likewise agree with you friend. The past transgressions towards Native American tribes across the nation, what happened in the past and issues that face some native tribes now is important. Awareness, building partnerships I believe would serve the Native American peoples better. To me these logos as a non-native I've always looked at in awe and reverence. To me I feel it be disrespectful to get rid of these logos because it feels like people are erasing the one image we have of Native Americans from the public consciousness - Stoic, Noble, Brave, Resilient. So many plights as I mentioned before go unnoticed that happen to Native Tribes in certain areas of the country - They cannot be ignored or erased as simply as a logo. I'd rather fix those issues than anything else.
The mascot logos aren't them and thats why they don't like them. The real indians are still around only they've been like myself reclassified so many times including now African-American.
I just think if the mascots were percieved more accurately and diversely, then there would be more honor in it. I think it's more racist to put Natives in a general stereotype and then defend that image.
@Brandon Hopkins Well, it's not just the Redskins team that "stereotypes", also the Cowboys, Patriots, 49ers, Steelers, etc. Have you seen their mascots? Yeah, with their big heads and goofy appearance. So racist, right? Oh, and let's not forget the animal name teams; I don't recall real Seahawks actually are blue and green color. Or Ravens are purple and black. What about their facial expressions? They always look mean. That's demeaning to wildlife. So you see, anyone can whine and cry about how a mascot "stereotypes". People need to stop being so sensitive. One thing is, that none of these teams are trying to offend anyone. The names and mascots they chose for the teams are names and images they are proud of. People need to realize that and stop acting like they are racist teams.
Don’t forget that the fans mirror the mascots. When they show up in body paint, chicken feather war bonnets and hoop and holler like real “redskins”, I, as a native man find that highly offensive. We are real people, we have our own origin story and it has nothing to do with being part of a gross mascot culture appropriation “thing”
@@Hollenthon2468, so name one other team of any sport that specifically uses a derogatory name of any other race of people besides Native Americans for a team name and mascot. "Celtics?" Not derogatory. Try "Micks." Or the "Ruddyskins." Would the Irish object? Of course.
@@johngalt8279 The word redskin did not originate as a derogatory word. It was a neutral word that most likely referred to Native warriors by the red war paint they used on their bodies. Heck, even the word Oklahoma means "red people" in Choctaw. It was named by a Chocktaw chief. So no, these words did not originate as racist or offensive. It wasn't until the mid 1900's when some Natives started complaining about it because they did not want any non-Natives to use Native American words, symbols or imagery in their sports teams. There are Natives that are open minded to other cultures adopting their traditions and there are Natives that are very sensitive to others using their traditions. So that is what the problem is.
This interviewer needs to go work at Dennys or something. Asks 15 different times a question without allowing people to answer even one question. Drives me nuts.
Such a shame. To my knowledge, I have no native blood, but I'm all with Gene on this one. I see it as more of a way of honoring a culture and tradition and not a prevalence of racism. My college (El Camino in Southern California) has a Native American Warrior as the mascot. I think it's pretty cool. And I don't think it's equivalent to "Jew" at all. Though, on that note, if there was a team called "The Jews" or something like that, I'd probably just be more amused (as someone who is somewhat of a Jew). We should focus on the bigger issues at hand, like Gene said.
When we use people as mascots, we strive to be like the most bad ass version of that person. You should feel honored! His excuse was “there are no Teepees in our culture”. I’ve never seen a Teepee used on a helmet. Then he went to the classic leftist, Marxist statement, “It’s racist”. The end all, catch all.
As a Big fan, of: Italian_ FOOTball ("Soccer") and Celtic, F.C.: - I would Love, for: "them"; to: have "FOOTie (again; "Soccer")_ "Academy's"": for: "Native_AmeriCANs!!"!! But, with: -Consultation; from: "them!?"!!?? -M.K.S.
Here in Oklahoma we ARE Native America. Why erase our culture? I have never met a Native American who is offended by these names. These are just liberal native activists.
Why don't we remove all names, monuments, outdoor sculptures, statues and landmarks that remind us of our dubious past. Otherwise it may remind us of that past and puts us at risk of actually learning from it. While were at it why don't we remove everything that reminds us of the ethnic minorities that live among us leaving them to live in almost total obscurity. Seems to be what everyone wants.
The older guy was the star of his high school football team, maybe the fastest kid on the track team, got his pick of the girls, and has kicked ass all the way through life. the younger guy was the av nerd who could'nt walk and chew gum at the same time, and majored in gender studies at princeton on a diversity scholorship.
Just want to point out how little native American issues are seen at large. Regardless of your stance on the topic issue, the choice to end the segment shortly after the mention of poverty and drug use in Native American populations, ending with this exchange: “We should have more time.” “We’ll do this again.” “I hope so.” “Unless you resolve it which I hope you do.”
Although I'm only part native American (I'm cayuse tribe from Oregon) I take a lot of pride in my heritage and see these indian mascots as great warriors who fight to the end and never give up.
A perfect example of using an equivalent to Redskins with Jews is the Maccabees which was a Jewish Army at the time of the 2nd temple some 1600 years ago or something. Having the Brooklyn Maccabees in baseball would be great. I never liked the Redskins until they wanted to change their name because a small minority have grown to see it as offensive or possibly offensive.
So it shouldn't be used unless there's an agreement.... like when they sat down with the leaders of several tribes and got their approval before naming the team redskins?
That was the 2016 Annenberg Poll around Washington DC regarding the "Redskins" name. Most of those who responded to that survey were "self-identifying Native Americans"...you know, the Elizabeth Warren-ish European Americans who claim...with no proof...that their great-great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess. They don't count on this issue. Most Native people on reservations hate the names and mascots.
It's arrogant to just look at it as a "cool logo" without trying to understand the underlying issues: digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=fasch_rpt
Love how most Native Americans aren’t offended with this but a few young people, a lot who aren’t even Native Americans are the offended ones. This is just ridiculous. Everything is offensive these days. We should celebrate the beauty of the Native American culture and as the older gentleman said, these are often considered icons. The more we push away these traditions, the harder it will be to connect to them and their traditions. The reporter was an imbecile cutting off the intelligent and eloquent gentlemen’s great points.🤦🏻♂️
i remember ther rg3 year, thinking, “he kinda look like that logo.” ….Then i did the research. Like that John Olgiby 1671 research. This video is like satire when you consider the historical facts. The irony, and audacity of it all.
I am Native American. Do not have a problem with the mascot. Native Americans were seen as great warriors that people were scared to fight. It’s a compliment. I’ve always loved the mascots.
They won’t let the guy who isn’t offended speak and it’s ridiculous
One sided media at it's finest
Totally agree with Gene Weeden, I've always said there are far too many issues in the Native community to worry about than the name of a team or mascot.
Well I guess you lack the skills to see how these mascots are at the root of everything that plagues Indian country IT is about who has control of Indian Identity and since the start of this country it has been firmly in the hands of white people
@@matthewnorthrup1043 I don’t know how a mascot starts homelessness drug issues diabetes problems
@@matthewnorthrup1043 Hey white liberal with the white savior complex... if you are so guilty for something you didn't do then leave these lands ASAP and go back to Europe.
How is a mascot name intended to be derogatory or demeaning? I wast aware that a school or a professional team would name their mascot to reflect themselves in a self deprecating or negative fashion. Name just 1 non Native American named professional team that is meant to be self deprecating?? Please! This is nonsense.
So others Natives told about Washington Redskins' name.
Idk my wife’s native she says the white man is offended and stop being offended for us. Most the time teams are named after things that are strong
strong?
@@matthewnorthrup1043 Yes, they said strong. Spelled correctly and everything.
@@matthewnorthrup1043 beta's like you make weak nations
That man on the left is clearly native. What does this have to do with white people.
Love the older gentleman, he’s well thought out and has common sense
The most important thing is....context.
Well you are halfway there. You are forgetting how white people view these only with text in order to suit there purpose while Indians fully understand the context of these things.
Stop talking nigga = shut up and dribble in a certain context. That’s the thing, context is only relative to the person relaying the message and the people receiving it.
So Go fuck your self or in my contextual understanding, have a great night stroking your long hard ego as to what is right.
"In the grand scheme of things, we as Native Americans have far more important issues to worry about" That opinion shows how out of touch the "woke" crowd really is to offensive words
I like the Indian mascot names. They are not ment to be derogatory. They are ment to be endearing.
But its not about Indians, it never was. Its about white guilt.
To me growing up playing cowboys and Indians we thought of the Indians as honored. Great respect to Indians and Indian people was taught us.
I think it would help if tribes received some sort of revenue from teams to help out tribal communities.
or the players help people in those communities, like community work
Is leaching off the government not enough? These fucking winers didn't experience any of the shit
@@youtubedislikebutton983 which I’m sure they do right??
I'm white and one of the things I think about is Cracker Barrel and I love Cracker Barrel! I also don't want them to ever change the name. I love it!
@Lizett Alvarado Oh, I'm offended! Ya got me ooo...
Well when u tell me your race I can connect a food to your race. But ya probably won’t cuz yer scared!
I myself get the mamas pancake breakfast with 3 extra sunny side up eggs. I love the Cracker Barrel. Best syrup and the best biscuits and gravy in the world.
They are literally talking about crackers with that restaurant. It has nothing to do with race at all...
im indigenous and I love Cracker Barrell! Especially in rural areas. Great service 👍🏾
2:41 the guy in the red shirt says "it's derogatory to refer to a Jew as a Jew". I have never heard such a load of nonsense in my life.
he is a headline seeking fool
He's saying it depends on the context being used. For example- Calling someone a Jew, in general, is not derogatory. But saying it in a condescending way can be. This is true with just about any label or title.
He said "depends on the context being used".
You must be a news editor.
@Aron Toulouse Not really. But then I dont have to meet Einstein to know if his theories hold merit.
It is entirely dependent on the context of which "Jew" is said
Like if someone calls you a "fucking jew" or something, that is super offensive
but just saying "jew" by itself is referring to the group. Maybe "jewish" is slightly better?
Maybe he meant to say "kike" - which is a pejorative for "jew"
Take the wisdom of the older Indian man. Solve the bigger issues.
TBH i dont find the actual name as offensive as the fans dressing in stereotypical hollywood movie type native gear. or dancing round like a fool nd screaming what they believe to be warcries. its just a slap in the face of native culture nd traditions.
All of them need to be changed because of what they represent. what they reinforce all in the name of assimilation
The Washington anglo saxons.
That sounds badass.
Are you aware that the washington redskins were named when Jim Thorpe played for the redskins and approved of the name. The coach had integrated players from Carlyle college, an Indian college.
And, the Redskins first head coach was an American Indian, who thought the name was very appropriate, since a number of players were American Indian. People need to read up on that history.
Lets have an american join some european soccer team and then lets get them to name the team "the americans" with an overweight white guy as their mascot. Bonus points if the official mascot is wearing a maga hat, and fans can dress up as burgers to show their devotion to the team! That would be so respectful to America :P
@@kenanosmanagic ...except almost all of the team names and mascots are strong with the intent to portray proud warriors. Even if its an anglicized version the intent is pure. Sooo...not at all the same.
Cindy, you really need to educate yourself. Jim Thorpe never played for the Washington Redskins. He retired from the NFL in 1928, at 41 y-o. The name Redskins would first be used by the Boston team on 1933, before eventually moving to Washington DC in 1937. So, the Redskins team didn't even exist when Thorpe was playing pro football.
The logo was also created by a Native American and approved by the local native American community.
We use them with the idea of the warrior spirit. Apache, Chinook just a couple. Nothing but respect.
We must always remember to be human beings
I’m Irish and you can call them the Cleveland micks for all I care. I’d love the recognition.
Exactly I'm Italian and if I team had a symbol with a guy with a mustache and spaghetti I could literally care less
I call you all "Coner McGregor's" and try to avoid eye contact.
@@johnspinelli9396 "go get your shine box"
I attended a high school that Native American Indians helped build and it has a large auditorium with huge wooden ceiling beams that have hand carved and painted designs done by these same Indians. The school teams are the Indians and the mascot is an Indian. There was a movement to change these, but descendants of those Native American Indians blocked and said leave it alone, it was an honor to their ancestors to be portrayed as strong and educated people.
That's really cool! In that sense, I think that works wonderfully :)
However, in the sense of the Cleveland Indians, there is respect there. The Chief Wahoo logo is a caricature and very disrespectful, not empowering like your highschool's mascot. Another subject of disrespect is the costume that fans adorn to show their devotion to the team. People will literally go into blackface so they can "support their team" which I find ridiculous.
@@kenanosmanagic Cleveland should have kept chief wahoo
@@keyshawnscott12 Absolutely not...
@@kenanosmanagic it's just a smiling indian guy like u would find in a cartoon. what's so bad about that? you're only trying to find something to be offended by that if you really think what you think
changing the name is a way to cancel the native american
Yeah, I don't see the name "commander" honoring Native Americans in any way
I am really offended by the VIKINGS-not! I'm more worked up about sissy la la punks playing a childs game and not standing.
Good program-I always thought Redskins was a proud name-even as a Cowboy fan! Bring it back!
Cheers to that man! Been a cowboys fan since i was three being born in Dallas. When they changed the name and logo of the Redskins, i was legit pissed about it because its always been an awsome team, team name, and damn great logo. The new name and logo sounds and looks like a high school or college bowl type thing to me
The Fighting Irish:
Irish people have lands, culture and they have a place in the American dream.. Native Americans had only experienced an American NIGHTMARE!
Irish people were oppressed and killed by the British killed there people stole there land and are still being oppressed there native Americans my mom is Native American my dad is black she has a successful business and my dad does to yes lots of native people are oppressed but isn’t everyone around the world is by there government
@@ethanabelman2837to answer your question, yes, your claimed can be made to relate to others.
With that said, you don't seem to correctly grasp the above comment - it was a nightmare for the Native American people perhaps as it's still a nightmare centuries onwards as nothing has changed for them .The culture and people has not been able to as yet, pull itself out of debilitating poverty. As individuals perhaps, but as a nation-not even close. One can claim a blood quantum connection to native Americans but unless you've been able to trace your lineage, its unlikely that you'll feel connected to the struggles of these generations of systematic poverty, disenfranchisement and the spiritual disintegration of a peoples. In my culture, blood percentage means snot-all. Knowledge of your people, of your roots and awareness/acceptance of the continued moderm struggles that are compounded by race & historical subjugation of Native Americans as a whole... all are necessary to claim your "nativeness". it's not a matter of different degrees of victimhood - who had it worse off /or all had it worse off so shuddup etc- it's about acknowledging that shizz happened, like really accept it, have a government willing to redress it and fix stuff, and then letting all that pain go and moving on as a united Nation. This takes knowledge and time, perhaps later you may feel more sympathy towards that side of you rather than disparaging Native American struggles. ☺
p. s The irish still rule Ireland, what do Native Americans rule?
shanaynayb well they actually don’t rule all of Ireland the British have control of Northern Ireland... the Native people don’t have land since we live in a united country for all people all races all cultures all religion even back to the 13 colonies when America was actually trading with you guys and were at peace then the whole war of independence happened and tribes were tuned against each other and turned against the British and colonies then tribes continued to go to war with the US after the war of 1812 and then were at peace it’s not like you native people wouldn’t do bad things during are peace like killing civilians so really the “genocide” is a war genocide of war Oregon trail were filled with people that hated natives for killing there friends or family which they killed a lot of natives while still at war also some people were welcoming of the native people and liked them and greeted and ate with them they would commit crimes like kill gold miners during the gold rush cause of anger on both sides and then I forgot which president but he wanted peace and to live together and they did which is how we got here today without war without torture it’s happened for a reason isn’t all land conquered I care for native people I simply care for human beings😊☺️💪
How are we to know they were truly the first and didn't kill who they found here? Also why do Asians and Native Americans look alike especially the Eskimo people of Alaska and Native Japanese look very similar
@@riggingpots3453 Ik that you wouldn’t otherwise know this but don’t call Alaskans eskimos because it means raw fish eater or something like that I’m Yupik Tlingit and Tsimshian (all Alaskan native tribes) and we don’t look like Asians I’m sorry it’s just not true
Has anybody looked at the teams themselves. I’m a Chiefs fan and they do numerous things to honor Native American heritage.
I'm in KC. what are these things? I haven't heard of them. They have made some concessions like changing the mascot from warpaint to kc wolf and finally just last year banning headdresses but I'm unaware of anything they have done to honor us. They may have, I just haven't heard of it. That is why I am asking.
First of all, why would we want a world where we can't use symbols and elements of each other's cultures? Should I as an American white be upset if a korean or native american family celebrates Thanksgiving or should I as a Scandinavian be upset if they'd name their sportsteam The Vikings? Do we want a fractured society where we are assigned different rights based on ethnicity? I don't.
He claims that the logos spread information because they're using popular easily identifiable imagery which doesn't apply for all indians. Who said these are symbols that are meant to represent all indians? Here they are representing sports teams, not the entire native american collection of nations. It should be obvious why an illustrator would use popular and widely known and easily identifiable elements of Indian culture to make the viewer understand what he or she (OR "THEY"?) are looking it.
Lastly, intent and context DOES matter.
The host really gave away his biases at the end there…😂
Don’t ask them to live in the past when your using these images of their past..
I mean use your kind. Irish or British red coats .. I mean use your own. That way there’s no issues.. Your opening a can of worms with these mascots and Indian images
I don't get it? Are we not honorable enough for them, they were strong fighters, can we not appreciate their ability in battle?
@Crazy Canuck lmao
Arieson That’s a negative way of thinking. That stereotype was used by most during the past century to dehumanize them as violent, sadistic, psychopathic individuals masking as victims.
@@bobo7514 Isn't there a team called the Canuks? I always thought of that as a slur for Canadians. Not nice. But I could be wrong.
The small minority decide for the masses.
There are two sides to this debate. Problem is one side thinks their way is the superior way.
Here in Belgium is a soccer team AA Gent which has also that logo hahaha
Don’t let big business and big government erase your identity.
Jason Packineau seems to have it too good than to worry about the poverty, drugs, alcohol and more that plagues us Natives. So, as someone that is not affected like the rest, a mascot is the height of his issues.
We call people like him "paleface".
well said man
@@chimmichurri6940 Thank you.
@@traviswall1982 Homie, no reason to say thank you to me.
Basically what he saying is names like Washington Redskins was never intended to be derogatory. And the name is self came about in part due to the input of Native Americans. And as somebody who has family on the reservations still myself, neither one of them and nobody I know that is pure blooded or mix by Native American has a problem with most of these names. They represent America! But what do you expect, you take the image of a Native American female off the box of butter, simply because you think it’s the right thing to do. You remove uncle Ben and aunt Jemima from their boxes and you don’t give a rats ass what their descendants have to say about it. This is not about the people and whether or not they’re offended. This is about crusading on behalf of other people in a sense of superiority someone gets for it.
Leave our mascots alone!
I feel a sense of pride when warriors, chiefs, indians,redskins!
Don't wipe our culture out!
O the Cleveland Hebrews dig it.
How about the Cleveland (India) Indians?
I’m Yakama , I was never offended, I agree with the Apache guy 100%
I know I can’t be the only one, but when I see pure blood natives I get so fascinated and proud knowing part of my heritage is from that group of people
Yeah but these mascot and team names have nothing to do with you.
Before they spoke I knew who would be against and who would be ok with it.
My first wife black my first son black Ying man native American born every 2000 years for millions of year's I've been having black native American people
God bless you and your family amen
They should have had more time. Network should have given them more time.
I want a two hour conversation
Ah yes, lets both tell our points and agree it is a very important thing to solve.... AAAND thats all we got time for, later gentlemen.
It seems Mr. Jason Paceno has been in the educational system. Unfortunately he’s a liberal Trained mind is more respected.
I am of Mexican Indian Heritage. I’ve always been proud!! All though I’m an not American Indian, it gave me pride to see our brother tribes honored. It’s funny how the minority seems so successful in their dismantling of anything they disagree with, just because they have some sort of a degree. They truly do see themselves as superior to the rest of us!
90 percent of Native people dont care !!! We need to help them get Jobs and healthcare and HOPE
I'm proud to be a 'Redskin'. The younger guy reminds me of a 'soy boy'- offended by anything and everything. I am Apache, confident and proud of my culture. Honestly, I can tell you that the majority of my family and friends (from different tribes) are not offended at all. How much longer before we change the name of the browns. Stop being offended for me SJW's. The older man was right - the mascot isn't the problem among the 'nations', it's alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. watch the short video below
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4:57 Yes, priority should be substance and solving real problems. SJWs, want form more than substance.
I am an enrolled tribal member. No one in my community condones the use of "Redskin" as a team name. The fact that you are fine with a racial slur used as a team name shows how far we still have to go. Native Americans have been pleading with the U.S. government to honor their treaties and keep their promises for more than a century. The reason this still hasn't happened is because they, along with most white Americans, still do not view us as human beings worthy of respect. When obese middle-aged white men stop wearing our sacred religious clothes to their sports game and drunkenly yell obscenities then maybe, just maybe we will begin to be viewed with a shred of dignity. The fact that these grown adults are so upset about their sports team changing their name is evidence of their fragile white victimhood. If they react this strongly to a sports team name change, just imagine what they would do if they had to live even a single week on a Native American reservation. They wouldn't be able to handle it.
@@russ7009 Yeah, and the word *yankee* is a derogatory word created by Europeans to be condescending and demeaning towards Americans, but, the Americans turned that word into something more creative and positive and even made a baseball team called the New York Yankees. Even so called "bad words" can be changed. I think that's what societies needs to do to get out of this over sensitivity.
You're 100% right. Professional sports teams are not trying to be disrespectful or racist with their team names. Every team is based on a warrior of some kind (Patriots, Redskins, Chiefs, Buccaneers, etc), or an occupation of some kind (49ers, Steelers, Cowboys, Chargers, etc) or an animal of some kind (Raven, Lion, Bengal, Ram, etc). All these teams have mascot that usually look fun, goofy, silly, etc. But that's what mascots are suppose to be, so they can be entertaining and friendly looking. It really is a shame that society has gotten so sensitive to the point where everything can be cried about and taken down.
@@killsourenemy You are free to be offended if you want. But most people do not see it like you do. Since you see these things negatively, maybe you should do a little bit of research and find out why many people do not find these team names offensive, including many other Native American tribes. By the way, you all are more than welcome to have sports with white man team names and mascots.
My grandparents were all from Ireland. They weren’t offended by Notre Dame’s use of “The Fighting Irish,” in fact they were proud of it. When my grandparents came to the US (1905-1922) the Irish men couldn’t get jobs and the women worked as servants. They were proud of their heritage and as being seen as fighters who never gave up. Now 100 years later we’re still proud of it.
@Aaron D. Digby, Sr. I think that name is adorable so no!
I call all Irish people "Coner McGregor's". I try to avoid them.
@@Initium1000 I’m sorry you’re so ignorant, but I’m not offended. I, however, wish you could find a more creative way to insult an ethnicity. Please do better.
@@Initium1000 Conor
Irish is not a race of people, it's a nationality. Not the same thing. 🤣
People love these mascots thsrs not racist.. we have bigger problems
The KC Chiefs was named after the mayor of KC that got Native American cutler to be added to national Boy Scouts and he did lots of work for Native Americans that earned him the nick name “Chief” and he was eventually adopted into a tribe and given the name “Lone Bear”.
textbook definition of cultural appropriation
@@matthewnorthrup1043 What is the textbook definition of cultural appropriation? Who wrote it?
@@matthewnorthrup1043 if the tribe adopted him, how is it appropriation? HE was appropriated BY the tribe.
Some schools try to honor our people. But different mascots are named for racial epithets. What if some of these teams named their teams for black tribes from Africa, Jewish tribes of Israel, oe any other ethnicity. The characters and team slogans get used by children to bully others and I should know. I had 12 years of it, growing up. The words were usually followed by violence. When I had cancer, I lost so much weight and muscle definition that over 30 scars appeared on my legs. After the doctor did a biopsy on one, it turned out to be scar tissue. He asked, "Were you hit or kicked a lot as a kid?" I said yes, I was. I will have these scars on my legs for the rest of my life; it was deemed too dangerous to put me under to remove them. And before you ask, no, the school district did nothing about it.
When the host doesn't even do enough homework to know how to pronounce the word Arikara you know it's already a one-sided affair.
You can tell the real tribes with pride
You can tell by how the interview keeps hammering his negative opinion on what he thinks.
Invisible. That's the problem. Mascots are used to represent toughness, skill in battle, bravery. Yet when it comes to " their country" Indigenous people are invisible. Inclusion as a people is a pipe dream. Poverty, lack of opportunities and direction are at the forefront. We've wronged them in so many horrific ways then to extoll their virtues through a mascot is, in my mind, unacceptable. They are an ongoing people not stuck in the times of Hiawatha. They've fought along side of us in every war we've ever had and died as we have died. Where's the respect.This white dude can't even pronounce Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikira. If it weren't for these tribes Lewis and Clark would have failed their mission.
Siksiki Indian here, this guy said they are categorizing all Indians as one and they are very diverse. True, spread that word. Encourage teams to whom utilize Native American logos/names to provide education on their local tribes etc. To just go at it broadly and ask all teams to stop using Indian as a name or Indian logos for a team is very short minded. Maybe jumping in that millennial wagon with hopes of getting some quick money or fam? Teams use names/logos/mascots that are brave, strong, tough, resilient. If one has that much offended feelings by a team using Indian logos etc. they need to look within and seek therapy. Find your harmony, use your passion and energy for something productive for the native culture not erase it from Current/future history.
I likewise agree with you friend. The past transgressions towards Native American tribes across the nation, what happened in the past and issues that face some native tribes now is important. Awareness, building partnerships I believe would serve the Native American peoples better. To me these logos as a non-native I've always looked at in awe and reverence. To me I feel it be disrespectful to get rid of these logos because it feels like people are erasing the one image we have of Native Americans from the public consciousness - Stoic, Noble, Brave, Resilient. So many plights as I mentioned before go unnoticed that happen to Native Tribes in certain areas of the country - They cannot be ignored or erased as simply as a logo. I'd rather fix those issues than anything else.
Everyone has a price i guess.
The mascot logos aren't them and thats why they don't like them. The real indians are still around only they've been like myself reclassified so many times including now African-American.
Agreed
I just think if the mascots were percieved more accurately and diversely, then there would be more honor in it. I think it's more racist to put Natives in a general stereotype and then defend that image.
No ! They just want money 💰 for it! Nothing more and nothing less
@Brandon Hopkins Well, it's not just the Redskins team that "stereotypes", also the Cowboys, Patriots, 49ers, Steelers, etc. Have you seen their mascots? Yeah, with their big heads and goofy appearance. So racist, right? Oh, and let's not forget the animal name teams; I don't recall real Seahawks actually are blue and green color. Or Ravens are purple and black. What about their facial expressions? They always look mean. That's demeaning to wildlife.
So you see, anyone can whine and cry about how a mascot "stereotypes". People need to stop being so sensitive. One thing is, that none of these teams are trying to offend anyone. The names and mascots they chose for the teams are names and images they are proud of. People need to realize that and stop acting like they are racist teams.
Don’t forget that the fans mirror the mascots. When they show up in body paint, chicken feather war bonnets and hoop and holler like real “redskins”, I, as a native man find that highly offensive. We are real people, we have our own origin story and it has nothing to do with being part of a gross mascot culture appropriation “thing”
@@Hollenthon2468, so name one other team of any sport that specifically uses a derogatory name of any other race of people besides Native Americans for a team name and mascot. "Celtics?" Not derogatory. Try "Micks." Or the "Ruddyskins." Would the Irish object? Of course.
@@johngalt8279 The word redskin did not originate as a derogatory word. It was a neutral word that most likely referred to Native warriors by the red war paint they used on their bodies. Heck, even the word Oklahoma means "red people" in Choctaw. It was named by a Chocktaw chief. So no, these words did not originate as racist or offensive. It wasn't until the mid 1900's when some Natives started complaining about it because they did not want any non-Natives to use Native American words, symbols or imagery in their sports teams. There are Natives that are open minded to other cultures adopting their traditions and there are Natives that are very sensitive to others using their traditions. So that is what the problem is.
I miss my Washington Redskins
King Solomon asked a ant your honor who Jerusalem belong to because ant's have the same birthmark as people
This interviewer needs to go work at Dennys or something. Asks 15 different times a question without allowing people to answer even one question. Drives me nuts.
Proud fighting Irish.....This is a Mexican playing Indian
Such a shame. To my knowledge, I have no native blood, but I'm all with Gene on this one. I see it as more of a way of honoring a culture and tradition and not a prevalence of racism.
My college (El Camino in Southern California) has a Native American Warrior as the mascot. I think it's pretty cool. And I don't think it's equivalent to "Jew" at all. Though, on that note, if there was a team called "The Jews" or something like that, I'd probably just be more amused (as someone who is somewhat of a Jew).
We should focus on the bigger issues at hand, like Gene said.
When we use people as mascots, we strive to be like the most bad ass version of that person. You should feel honored! His excuse was “there are no Teepees in our culture”. I’ve never seen a Teepee used on a helmet. Then he went to the classic leftist, Marxist statement, “It’s racist”. The end all, catch all.
You can honor Indians because most people don't' know jack about them in the first place.
I agree with what the native Americans are saying... They should be called something else
It brings argument so that's just the issue why they want to ban it
“According to the poll I’m the outlier. But that’s not how I see it.”
That’s called being a disconnected ideologue. 90% isn’t a rounding error.
These two are exactly what's wrong with Indian country we have so many very pressing issues to do with like our land our healthcare
surely there's nothing more patriotic than having a mascot of the first people to live in the US? (as long as its respectful).
As a Big fan, of: Italian_ FOOTball ("Soccer") and Celtic, F.C.: -
I would Love, for:
"them"; to: have "FOOTie (again; "Soccer")_ "Academy's"": for: "Native_AmeriCANs!!"!! But, with: -Consultation; from: "them!?"!!??
-M.K.S.
Chicago Blackhawks don’t change the name
Here in Oklahoma we ARE Native America. Why erase our culture? I have never met a Native American who is offended by these names. These are just liberal native activists.
Why don't we remove all names, monuments, outdoor sculptures, statues and landmarks that remind us of our dubious past. Otherwise it may remind us of that past and puts us at risk of actually learning from it. While were at it why don't we remove everything that reminds us of the ethnic minorities that live among us leaving them to live in almost total obscurity. Seems to be what everyone wants.
The older guy was the star of his high school football team, maybe the fastest kid on the track team, got his pick of the girls, and has kicked ass all the way through life. the younger guy was the av nerd who could'nt walk and chew gum at the same time, and majored in gender studies at princeton on a diversity scholorship.
Just want to point out how little native American issues are seen at large. Regardless of your stance on the topic issue, the choice to end the segment shortly after the mention of poverty and drug use in Native American populations, ending with this exchange: “We should have more time.” “We’ll do this again.” “I hope so.” “Unless you resolve it which I hope you do.”
Washington Jews / Blacks lol 😆 it would be such a big deal
I could tell who was for the ban and who was against it before he even differentiated them. Assuming he's a liberal 🙄
The older man has more common sense, lacks the emotions of the people attached to the material world.
They did away with my old high school name the "chippewas". These names are used out of respect and inspiration not racism
The Kansas City Land Robbers football team
Majority of all State and City names are Native American. Uh oh.
Although I'm only part native American (I'm cayuse tribe from Oregon) I take a lot of pride in my heritage and see these indian mascots as great warriors who fight to the end and never give up.
My middle school has a native American warrior as A mascot.
Old white Interviewer says the name is the problem yet talks down to the one gentleman. Ironic.
A perfect example of using an equivalent to Redskins with Jews is the Maccabees which was a Jewish Army at the time of the 2nd temple some 1600 years ago or something. Having the Brooklyn Maccabees in baseball would be great. I never liked the Redskins until they wanted to change their name because a small minority have grown to see it as offensive or possibly offensive.
Lmao not 1 real American Indian was in that room come on dude😂😂
They can use any name they want to bad if you dont like it.
Apache mole on arm like patch mountain top people every nation have Apache mountain top people
is the Cleveland Brown's an offensive name?
So it shouldn't be used unless there's an agreement.... like when they sat down with the leaders of several tribes and got their approval before naming the team redskins?
Like eventually the only mascots left are white like they getting rid of redskins, aunt Jemima, native american woman on the butter, etc.
There are like 3 or 4 high schools football teams in native american locations that are called redskins
@@russ7009 our Native teams have Indians, Braves and Warriors. They would never go for Redskins because of its use as a racial epithet.
He said it all when he said “ native Americans have been polled about this and 90% of them don’t have a problem with it”,white woke lef
Leftists are the only ones with a problem
That was the 2016 Annenberg Poll around Washington DC regarding the "Redskins" name. Most of those who responded to that survey were "self-identifying Native Americans"...you know, the Elizabeth Warren-ish European Americans who claim...with no proof...that their great-great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess. They don't count on this issue. Most Native people on reservations hate the names and mascots.
Ying Chinese president most famous native American Chinese
Giving them only 5 minutes to discuss this is a waste of everyone's time, television sucks ass
It's a logo & cool one at that. Let's Go Tribe!!
Morgan Samson come again?
It's arrogant to just look at it as a "cool logo" without trying to understand the underlying issues: digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=fasch_rpt
Chief wahoo is the most known mascot in the world.
Morgan Samson
@@morgansamson1390 So you think a whole entire race is lame, fucking racist.
Love how most Native Americans aren’t offended with this but a few young people, a lot who aren’t even Native Americans are the offended ones. This is just ridiculous. Everything is offensive these days. We should celebrate the beauty of the Native American culture and as the older gentleman said, these are often considered icons. The more we push away these traditions, the harder it will be to connect to them and their traditions.
The reporter was an imbecile cutting off the intelligent and eloquent gentlemen’s great points.🤦🏻♂️
i remember ther rg3 year, thinking, “he kinda look like that logo.” ….Then i did the research. Like that John Olgiby 1671 research. This video is like satire when you consider the historical facts. The irony, and audacity of it all.
I’m with Gene!