Just for context, The Trojan War was circa 1300 BCE, so three thousand years ago rather than seven hundred and lasted over ten years. Achilles mother, Thetis, was a Nereid (or sea nymph), she had dipped her infant son in the River Styx to grant him invulnerability but because she had held him by his heels they were the only weak points on his body.
If I recall, archeologists have found at least nine layers in Troy, suggesting the city has been sacked and rebuilt at least nine times over the centuries.
@@scottboswell6406 Depends who you believe, there are many written sources of the myth from Pollodorus to Plato to Ptolemy and beyond and, of course, all these works have numerous translators and translations. Who's to say what is truth and what is not when referencing a story 3,000 years old (the River Styx story can just as easily be amended to Peleus dragging Achilles out of the flames in which Thetis had flung the babe to test its immortality)? So we're both equally right and wrong
The father of Hector & Paris was Peter O’Toole. He was a top leading man in the movies for decades. Ashley, he was the lead in Lawrence of Arabia…one of the greatest epic films ever made.
O’Toole easily provides the most dramatic scene in this film and just eats up each scene he’s in. The man is one of cinemas greatest actors and I would also love to see one of his films land on this channel.
Another story they leave out is that while the Greek ships gathered at a place called Aulis, te wind died down and they couldn't move. Agamemnon got the word that one of the major goddesses, Artemis, was offended, and refused to let the wind start up unless Agamemnon sacrificed his oldest daughter, Iphigenia. He sent word home that she was going to marry Achilles, and that his wife should hurry on over to Aulis with Iphigenia. They did, and Agamemnon had the sacrifice done. His wife, Clytemnestra, hated him after that, took a lover at home, and plotted Agamemnon's death. Which she succeeded in doing, and which led to other horrific consequences. You didn't get away with anything in Greek Mythology.
@@kate4852 Yes, I remember! I saw it back in the 70s, in a movie theater in NYC. Funny thing, it passed through my memory not too long ago: maybe I should try to see if it's available online and give it another watch.
About 90% of the Illiad is based upon one god or goddess taking interest in someone in the war and then causing problems for their side. They were a contentious lot.
I remember back in highschool we watched this for a mythology class and i swear i didnt know what it truly was about until i saw the horse🤣🤣 i wasnt the brightest student
I love when she said "There she is, thats going to be hard to keep that secret" The basis for the entire Trojan war and the creation of the Iliad and the Odyssey. Yup. Might get out.
Ashleigh's experience working in radio really shines through in this. She just effortlessly gets into the conversation and keeps things lively right from the get-go. Great video!
I agree. I like Mary and her channel but Ashleigh has the absolute best charisma for this type of content. I hope this gives them both a bump, but tbh I don't think Ashleigh needs it.
If the Battle of Troy did happen, most pin the dates to 1194-1184 BC. Around 3.200 years ago. Helen is called "the face that launched a thousand ships." In this version, Hector is my favorite character, too. But as Homer wrote in the Iliad, Achilles wasn't nearly as bratty as portrayed in this movie. Also, this was a good place to stop. There are some awesome fights coming up. Can't wait to see part 2.
Hector is, by far, the most honorable character in the whole story. The scene in the book with him speaking to his wife the night before before the last day of fighting will always be one of my favorite scenes in all of literature.
No one knows if it happened or not... We know Troy existed (or a big city around the same place Homer place it, although the Hitites knew it by the name of Wallas). But there isn't a single or contemporary written clue about the battle. When Homer wrote the battle would have happened 2 or 3 centuries before his time, so was just writting down oral stories about it. If you read it, is full of God interventions and other fantastic actions.... Anyway, battles on the late broze age were very different that the one depicted by the Iliad, which is a typical battle of the Homer times (Which he saw for sure, the depiction is ultra detailed). Boats, swords charriots the amount of soldiers whould have been completelly different.
That sword strike to the shoulder was often used as a means of execution. The strike goes all the way down to the heart, basically instantly killing the victim.
20:40 "No one is that pretty to go in to war to....' A lot of men and boys throughout all of human history have gone to war for that exact reason, to protect the ones they love and defend their way of life. It's not as if they knew, or got a say in, the reasons why they were expected to fight and die; better to fight for something you believe in. And as many other commenters have pointed out, retrieving Helen was just an excuse to conquer Troy.
oh my lord... the Iliad was required reading when I was in school. It is actually quite good. The Aeneid is a sequel of sorts that tells the tale of a survivor that went on to found a little place called Rome.
The mother of Achilles is a goddess. His father was a mortal. Momma asked an oracle about her baby’s destiny. That story ties into the “Achilles heel”.
You should probably mention that is from the Illiad, where the Greek gods got directly involved in the people's lives and in the war. The movie is taking a more grounded view (although still exaggerated), so Achilles' mom isn't an actual goddess.
Not quite a Goddess. Achilles mother was Thetis who was a Nereid, a sea nymph (more of an elemental). His father was human, Peleus, King of the Myrmidons. When Achilles was a baby, Thetis dipped him into the River Styx, holding him by his heel. This made him invulnerable, except for his heel. His "Achilles Heel".
Loving the crossover ladies! What a great idea. This movie came out during a time when these period pieces were making a comeback. All inspired by the success of Gladiator. Orlando Bloom was starting to make his presence felt with LOTR and Pirates. He then grabbed the lead in Kingdom of Heaven which came out a year or two after Troy.
@timothybrown5999 and then it's crazy when Americans who trace their lineage to other parts of Europe will try to have some weird connection to Greece/Rome usually for some weird sociopolitical superiority complex lulz
I cannot comprehend how two women have made it to adulthood without becoming aware of The Iliad story or its relevance to pop culture. This reaction had me shook basically the entire time as they pieced together the elements of The Iliad.
One of the things that still manages to shock me is how ignorant and uneducated young people are these days. I love Ashleigh, but so often I'm downright sad about the crappy education she obviously received. Listening to her brag about how unlikely it is that she will ever read the Iliad made me actually tear up a little. Something that is still in print after 2,800 years stuck around for a reason, and she doesn't care to know that reason. Sigh. I'm about 14 minutes into this, but I don't think I can watch the rest...can someone tell me if they ever figured out that this isn't the 13th century?
I feel so sorry for the young people today who don't read. The best movies I've ever experienced take place between my ears when I am reading a good book. The most fulfilling pastime I have.
Ashleigh and Mary. Long-time subscriber to both of you. What a fun collaboration! For this Chicago boy, it's such fun hearing Ashleigh's Tennessee twang and Mary's Aussie slang back and forth. What a treat, lol! You play off each other really well; I'm looking forward to part 2 right away!
I actually did read The Iliad. In one scene Helen laments that her beauty is a curse. One woman I mentioned this too said that Helen would get along well with her roommates. Agamemnon’s reason for going to war was he wanted to dominate the region of the Aegean Sea. Helen leaving his brother just gave him an excuse. If you haven’t already seen it, either of you may want to see Blackhawk Down. It has both Orlando Bloom and Eric Bana.
Seeing Peter O'Toole as the Trojan king reminded me how much I'd love to see Ashleigh get to some of the many classics he's done. I really think she'd like "The Lion in Winter" for it's incredible dialogue, and to introduce her to Katharine Hepburn, who I think Ashleigh will really like.
Eight times nominated for an Oscar and zero wins to the Academy's great shame. Lawrence of Arabia, The Stuntman and My Favorite Year are all deserving of reactions.
I was thinking the same thing! She should probably start with The Lion in Winter and My Favorite Year before moving on to something like Becket or Lawrence of Arabia. I'm guessing she has already heard his voice in Ratatouille.
Seconding the recommendation for “The Lion in Winter,” also “Lawrence of Arabia,” and “My Favorite Year.” But he provided a boost even when he had small parts, like in “Ratatouille” or “Stardust.”
Ok, so history stuff, love that... but can we please talk about how these 2 ladies have lightning in a bottle type of chemistry!? I'm here for it and can't wait for Part 2 💜💙
Two of my favorite reactors watching such an entertaining movie. Thanks for doing this, ladies. Just when I thought there was nothing on YT tonight, I come across this!
Achilles’ mom, Thetis, is a water nymph. So he has a supernatural ancestry which might explain his arrogance towards just about everyone. He is essentially a superhuman. The film undermines the more mythic source material by trying to ground the story a bit more and so those sorts of details don’t always come through very well in this film.
14:18 Mary - “Can you get married to different people at the same time?” Ashleigh - “I don’t knowwwww…” *change of plan - I don’t have to wait to have future ex-husbands!* This is a top-tier collab! So well done, great teamwork and I can’t wait for next week 😁
It was a requirement to read the Iliad in high school and I actually love the story. It's also a true classic, meaning it's also used in historical study as well as literature
@@acdragonrider You're probably trying to be cute, but it's a required reading in many high schools all over the world as a part of classic literature course in language classes. I read it when I was 15.
For us it was part of basic English classes in high school 7th grade but that also included many other works and was an entire phase of mythology. I think it was the first non romantic work in which we read for a long long time as classwork it was really really refreshing.
A Great Collab, About time!!! Two great reactors being their best!! Thanks to both of you. The story of Troy is as famous a story as ever!!! "I've heard of the Achilles Heal" OMG stop LOL!!!! Part 2 will reveal all!!!
It's so good to hear you appreciating these characters and this story that were created 3000 years ago. In fact, writers say that every story is already in Iliad and Odissey by Homer.
In mythology Hera, Aphrodite, and Athena came to Zeus and asked him which of them was the most beautiful. Zeus in all his wisdom decided…..let someone else deal with this. Thus they went to Prince of Troy who selected Aphrodite. As a reward she said she would give him the most beautiful mortal woman and transported Helen to Troy.
And just adding onto that: the whole contest started at the wedding of Achilles' parents. The goddess of Discord, Eris, hadn't been invited, so she crashed the party, tossed out the Apple of Discord and proclaimed "For the Fairest". Knowing it would end up starting the war. Maleficent had nothing over Eris, that's for sure.
@@albertmartinez2539 That's basically true: it started out with him being asked to choose, and then the three immediately started bribing. There's also an aspect of the story that the Trojan royal family knew Paris was fated to cause their destruction and abandoned him as an infant. But the servant charged with the duty couldn't do it..... and Paris also has a wife, a nymph who is abandoned in the course of things, and comes to a bad end.
Omg, two reactors I adore! I also love this movie, both because I'm a huge Greek Mythology nerd, and because it was one of the movies we rented at one of my first teenage sleepovers. It was this and Anchorman, so I have a lot of nostalgia. Can't wait to watch part 2 on Mary's channel.
Helen had a face that launched 1000 ships. The Achilles’ tendon is named for his wound. Troy was thought to be a myth until about a century ago when it was found and excavated.
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Helen was so ugly that a thousand ships were launched to flee from her. ;-)
Eric Banna is the MVP of this movie. I still remember as a teen in Australia watching him on a comedy show ala Saturday Night Live style being like the clown of the show almost, never imagining he wold become such a great dramatic actor.
I traveled in Greece as well. I have been to the site of the palace of Agamemnon. There is a movie company called “Lionsgate”. The original Lion’s Gate is at the palace the palace of Agamemnon. There are so many English words that come come from the epic poems the Iliad & the Odyssey. Ashley you just watched Oh brother where art Thou. So many ideas from the Poems. When George Clooney & friends are upon the RR pump car they encounter a blind prophet. Homer (mythical poet who wrote the Iliad & Odyssey) was blind. John Goodman was the one eyed Cyclops (Odyssey). The expression “Achilles heel” is a common English term. Achilles’ tendon is a medical term. I could ramble on but you get my point..
1. The Iliad is a myth, an epic poem told by Homer, full of Greek gods and goddesses, but centered around Achilles and his passion. This movie is basically that same story, without all the mythology. It's told as if it's history. This in contrast to the movie 300, which retold an historical event as a myth. 2. "Troy" missed the entire point of the story. Achilles was blessed by the gods, more than any other man, but because he followed his passion, he and others met tragic endings. In contrast, the sequel is about Odysseus, who was cursed by the gods, and was able to overcome that curse by his moral and intellectual virtue, which included overcoming the flaws in his own character-something Achilles was never really able to do in the book. We live in a society where people are told to follow their passions, their heart, trust their feelings, etc. So the movie reflects that sentiment.
I think it funny how we learned about Greek history in our World History class in school. So the Trojan War was a story I enjoyed seeing brought to life. Love watching you both.
I follow about 50 different rectors, if you like Ashley & Mary you may like a few of these others: CineBinge (Canadian duo) , TBR Schmitt, VKunia, Shan Watches Movies, kaiielle, I Eat Movies Like You For Breakfast
@@tooluser I second VKunia. I'd also throw in Natalie Gold, Popcorn in Bed, Holden Hartman (especially for his My Girlfriend/Wife Reacts series), and ANGELINA as some of the ones I follow all the time.
Well, this was fun! Been subscribed to both you ladies for a while now. Really enjoyed this. A very nice balance of both of you. Please do more in the future if you’re able. Looking forward to part 2!
“No woman can possibly be that beautiful to go to war over.” It’s actually a little more complicated than that, Mary. For starters, Helen is a demigod (her father was Zeus). Second, when Helen and Menelaus married, Odysseus made sure there would be peace by having all the kings of Greece swear an oath to protect the marriage of Helen and her husband, and if someone tried to destroy this union, they would go to war to protect it. And third, in the original myth Paris KIDNAPPED Helen. They did have a brief affair, but Helen wanted to remain loyal to her husband. However, Aphrodite, who had promised Paris would get Helen as his wife as a reward for choosing her as the most beautiful goddess between her, Hera, or Athena, cast a love spell on her and made her go to Troy with Paris (in one retelling, Hera discovers this plot and creates a duplicate of Helen to be the recipient of Aphrodite’s spell, while she hides the real Helen in Egypt to protect her from the coming Trojan War).
It's actually a lot more complicated than that. The story begins with the creation of the universe, really. Y'see, Zeus got a lust boner for Thetis, a sea nymph. Until he found out that Thetis was prophesied to give birth to a son who would be mightier than his father. Well, Zeus was king of the gods because he killed his own father, Kronos, king of the Titans. Kronos had been eating his own children because he had been told that one of his children would overthrow him as king. Zeus' mother hid him from Kronos until he grew old enough to kill his father. Of course Kronos had overthrown and killed his own father, so he was understandably concerned about his own children doing unto him. So there's a kind of generational cycle going on here. And as a result, Zeus decided to ensure that Thetis' child wouldn't be a threat to his rule by marrying her off to the mortal king Peleus. At Thetis' wedding all of the gods were in invited...except Eris, the goddess of discord. This ticked Eris off, so she threw a golden apple inscribed "for the fairest" into the wedding celebration. All of the goddess laid claim to the apple, but the three main contenders were Hera, Athena and Aphrodite. They asked Zeus to decide who deserved the apple. But Zeus wasn't a fool, so he appointed a mortal to render judgment. That mortal was Paris, who had earlier shown himself to be an impartial judge in a previous dispute with Ares. Each of the goddesses offered Paris a bride. Hera offered kingship over the world. Athena offered unmatched wisdom and skill in battle. Aphrodite offered him the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. So Paris awarded the apple to Aphrodite. Meanwhile Helen, a daughter of Zeus, had come of age and was courted by all of the eligible young royalty of Greece. Odysseus was one of the suitors. He proposed that all of the suiters swear an oath (and men at that time took oaths very, very seriously) to defend Helen's marriage as a means of keeping the losers from fighting one another over Helen's hand in perpetuity. Ultimately Helen chose Menelaus (who had sent his brother Agamemnon to court her in his stead). Agamemnon, by the way, had married Helen's sister Klytemnestra. So, when Paris abducted Helen, all of Greece was honor-bound to go to war to get her back. Thus Helen became The Face That Launched A Thousand Ships. The story of the Trojan War is one of the foundational myths of Western society. Homer's Iliad and it's sequel, Iliad 2: Odysseus' Boogaloo, were as influential on Classical society as the Bible was on Medieval to modern society. The example of Achilles inspired Alexander the Great to conquer most of the known world hoping to become as famous as Achilles. While Achilles mother Thetis offered him a choice between a quiet, obscure life of family and farming or an early death and eternal fame, so far her promise has held true.
this just killed me, i grew up knee deep in greek mythology and it blows my mind to watch not one but 2 grown ass woman who have somehow never even heard the basics of the trojan war. but at the 16:00 mark the girls are talking about how pretty Helen is and how Mary is "obsessed with her face" and couldn't help but laugh. Helen of Troy is known to us history nerds as "the most beautiful woman in all of antiquity" and "the face that launched a 1000 ships"
lol my junior high school's teams were called the Trojans, and their mascot was.... the Trojan Horse. California public education leaves a lot to be desired... but seriously... the Trojan Horse? Nobody at my junior high school ever read the book?
facts. the first girl said she couldn't imagine a world where she would be required to read the Iliad, but I know in a lot of schools at least in higher levels of English classes in the U.S. the Iliad is one of the required texts to read, so I found that funny.
Yes! We learned some Greek mythology in grade school, and I steeped myself in it even before we had it in school. Blew my mind that they didn't know what Troy was.
why are they praising themselves for their historical ignorance and for not reading? that makes no sense. its like watching "gone with the wind" and knowing nothing about slavery. or "apollo 13" and knowing nothing about the space program. oh those wacky millennials.
@@cjmacq-vg8um I'm sure public education in both countries has covered American slavery quite well. More than its demise or causes, or slavery as institution elsewhere and throughout history. There's a couple of Thomas Sowell videos on that on UA-cam. Here in the States, I don't what or if they teach anything about the space program. Part of me suspects they teach that it was expensive to feed to the poor and hungry instead of going to the moon, and that it was racist.
The oldest European name we have record of is "Alexander". It's mentioned (spelled a bit differently) in Hittite clay tablets discussing events that appear to be the Trojan War. Paris was also known as Alexander, and apparently the tablets were talking about him.
Actually in the original story Helen was in happy marriage with Menelaus. But she got thirsty for Paris and lost her mind. Homer wrote about it as Goddess Aphrodite interfered to give Paris the most beautiful woman in the world. Also, when Helen was to be wed all her suitors swore that whoever got her in the end will be defended by all present. That is why they all sailed to war, to honor their word. To break their word in those times was lethal to a king and kingdom, no one would negotiate with them, no one would trade with them and no one would serve or fight for them if they were known to be oath breaker without honor. The king of Troy Priam looked so wide eyed because it dawned on him that ALL of Greece military might was united and descended upon his kingdom. Sure, the city itself was secure enough, and well supplied with secret tunnels out, but the countryside, the farms the allies along the coast, they were all done for. And over the ten years that this war lasted those allies run away if they were lucky and came into Troy that had to feed them also as their food stocks continued to dwindle. You really should read the Illiad it is one of the original EPICs as we know it. It was required topic in my high school though most of my classmates just went for synopsis and the impact it had historically and culturally. I actually read it and while I am not a fan of poems, this was worth the read even in translated form. Given the love and care translators give these stories I am sure you can find fantastic English translation.
Achilles in the original Greek mythology was actually the real hero of the story. And Paris is actually the villain,in the original mythology the Trojan war was orchestrated by the gods. The Greek gods wanted to know which one of them were the most beautiful. And they asked Paris to decide and in return he would receive the most beautiful woman in the land. Helen of Troy but she was already married so Aphrodite (goddess of love) made her fall for Paris. Paris took Helen to Sparta and which triggered the war. Achilles was the son of sea nymph that dipped him in a mystical river. He was granted invulnerability and superhuman abilities. He only fought in the war to avenge his best friend/cousin and save the woman he loved.
I love/appreciate that almost every second Achilles is on screen he feels legitimately dangerous. Smart filmmaking. Hold back on using/showing him just enough.. build the anticipation... then unleash him.
Just not this kind of movie. This was unwatchable with all the giggling and forced jokes, like watching high school girls try beer for the first time...
I mean MYTHS themselves are historical inaccuracies so i just roll with it…. That being said…. Thats is why it IS important to read the original version of a tale so that you van appreciate how the tale changes …. I recently went on a splurge where I read the orginial mutiny on the bounty and then watched every theatrical version of it… and am doing the same for all sorts of classical literature and fables
@@MrSheckstr There's archaeological evidence of a war that fits the basic outline of the Trojan war. Reports from Hittite ambassadors that name Priam and Paris, and talk about the Achaeans fighting the Wilusans -- and Wilusa is another name for the site that's the historical Troy.
I am quite surprised, I had subscribed to both of you for quite awhile, and in no way ever expect you two to even know of each other, let alone would do a collab. This was delightful!
Holy moly! I never thought id see you two together. Now all we need is ANGELINA in a collab with you two to make the group complete. Also here's a fun fact... The actor that played Menelaus also played Mad-Eye Moody in Harry Potter.
It amuses me how my comment about angelina went missing from this channel but entire threads on the same subject remain intact on her (angelina's) videos.
Worlds or Channels Collide AND ITS GREAT :D. As people have said its BC, ancient times. The 13th century would look medieval, this is set 2600 years before the 13th century. I love this period in history as it's often based around myth and legend. Thanks for the reaction and I hope you both do more collab.
Oh wow it's awesome to see you two doing a team up! The Judgement of Paris, "the face that launched 1000 ships," the Trojan War - such great stories! I hope after watching you get to catch up on them.
Great movie, and I'm glad to see you two making a collab on this. I was a big mythology geek when I was a kid, read so many different mythologies of so many different peoples. Greek and Roman, Norwegian, Japanese, etc. I'm glad you two enjoyed this.
You know when you mix two ingredients you don’t think would vibe well but it turns out to be amazing? This is that in video form. Peanut butter and dill pickles. I don’t know whose who. This is ADORABLE! You ladies should do this more often but like…a treat. Once every two months or so.
I enjoyed you first collaboration, it is very entertaining to see both of you enjoy this movie to this point so far. I watch both of your channels and commend both of you on this endeavor. Keep it coming!!!
You ladies are online media stars! This reaction has been "up" for only 9 hours and already y'all have 31,000 views!!! Congrats! Your fun and entertaining reputations are known world-wide!
This is an awesome crossover featuring two of my favorite reviewers! I saw this movie when it came out, and it started a tradition for me: every movie with Orlando Bloom in it gets retitled "Legolas (does something related to the plot)". Troy is "Legolas Starts a War and Boromir Finishes it". Also on the list are "Legolas goes Crusading" (Kingdom of Heaven), "Legolas tries Piracy" (Pirates of the Caribbean I), "Legolas Likes Piracy" (Pirates of the Caribbean II), "Legolas Gets Tired of Piracy and Becomes Davey Jones" (Pirates of the Caribbean III) and "Legolas Joins the U.S. Army" (Black Hawk Down).
Girl I've loved your reactions! This is one of my favorite movies. I absolutely recommend Brad Pitts Legends of the Fall and Interview with the Vampire!!!
@@hilarywilkes7853 I wonder what her Hallowbeans line-up is looking like this year? Do you think she's already got it all worked out? I'm not a patreon, but I hope one of them will request Interview With The Vampire, for all our sakes.
I swear I am not lying / simping or anything alike. You two are literally in my top 3 reaction channels i watch. So entertaining in slightly different ways. I am incredibly lucky
Just want to say that you have great chemistry together. You guys should do more collaborations in the future. I don't think I've ever had this much fun watching two people reacting to a movie together.
Troy was a really fun movie, although honestly it deserves a TV series, given how many characters and events happened during it (even the gods getting involved personally). I think it would be really popular if done well.
While Troy isn’t one of my favorite movies, I love that you are now making collaboration videos, Ashleigh! If I may recommend to you, you should do a reaction video with @VKunia! Nice girl, great movie reactions!
I'm not sure the world is ready for Ash and Vick to cross paths but I'm 100% on board with this idea. There are loads of reaction channels I'd love to see react to things together.
Neither of you have never heard of the story of the Trojan War? Oh boy…time for some commentary DISCLAIMER: Before I begin however, I am not a big fan of this movie entirely as there are many things from the original story that are omitted. But with some things that do happen, I do really enjoy it. Your collaboration with Mary is great and I look forward to seeing more in the future. With that said, let’s begin: 7:13 “imagine a king that fights his own battles. Wouldn’t that be a sight.” Love that quote. Reminds me of Leonidas from 300, King Arthur from Excalibur (1981), and Aragorn from the Lord of the Rings. 7:35 According to the Iliad, Achilles was the son of King Peleus of Thitia and the sea goddess, Thetis. He is a demigod and more unique than the average person. Additionally, he was said to have been trained in combat by the wise centaur Chiron of whom is noted to have trained many of Greek Mythology’s greatest heroes. 10:45 “I was under the impression that he was a killer?” Unfortunately, Prince Paris is only a pretty face and nothing more. In the story of the Trojan War, he is a terrible fighter and a coward. 12:32 “I feel that this bloke will die.” LOL. Considering his character has a whole story dedicated to him after the war LMAO. 12:44 Patroclus in the stories wasn’t his cousin, rather his childhood friend and companion. In some variations, he is even portrayed as Achilles’ lover. 13:26 she is Thetis, a goddess of the sea and had the foresight to try to warn her son of what would happen if he left for Troy. 17:38 Achilles is a king and commands the Thitians, his people. 20:41 “no one is that pretty to go into war” In the Greek myths, Helen was said to be the most beautiful woman in the Greek world at the time (it was believed that she was the daughter of the King of the gods, Zeus himself). When it came time for her to marry, she had many suitors of whom not only wanted her for her beauty but for her royal prestige as well. Her mortal father, fearful that by choosing one of the suitors would make enemies of the others, consulted Odysseus the king of Ithaca for advice. He recommended that the suitors would make an oath, before the very Olympian gods themselves that they would serve and defend Helen regardless of who she marries. The king agreed to this, the suitors had taken the oath, and Helen married Menelaus. Unfortunately, it is this very oath that Agamemnon invokes when Helen is taken to Troy, forcing the other kings to follow him into war. 21:32 “how are there ships still coming in?” what makes the story of the Trojan War legendary were that over 1,000 ships full of Greek soldiers and kings came to make war on Troy. One of the things that I do not like about this movie are the other great names that they omitted from the story such as Diomedes, Teucer, Nestor, and so forth. They were just as badass as Achilles. 21:52 Apollo is the Greek god of the sun, music, and medicine. Briseas, Rose Byrne’s character, is a priestess that serves him. (Commentary continues in the next video)
We’re over an hour in the movie, and they haven’t figured out that Helen of troy is played by Diane Kruger from national treasure in several other movies
"Troy" is a great movie! I love watching it, over and over and over again! It never gets old! And yet it is so forgotten by literally everyone, and dismissed as mediocre. Which is a true pity, because of all the A-list actors who willingly, and enthusiastically, participated in this flick.
I dislike this movie for so many reasons, that I could fill a whole book with them. So I want to mention only three major issues I have with it: 1. According to Homer the war lasted ten years. However the movie suggests a timeframe of less than one month (!!!). 2. Achilles had already died from one single arrow in his ankle before (!) Troy was seized and not from a bunch of them inside the city. 3. AND where the heck are the gods??? In the "Illiad" they play an almost equally important role as the human participants. After the Judgement of Paris, where he had favoured Aphrodite over Hera and Athene (a scene, which isn't even shown in the movie) the war became a matter for the bosses before it even started for the mortals. From the very beginning of the Trojan war it was also kind of a chess game between the gods/godesses occasionally supporting their respective teams (Greeks or Trojans) with their devine powers. Nothing of that is even mentioned in this pathetic effort. The makers of "Troy" took one of the greatest pieces of world literature and mythology and made it a profane, mediocre war movie. What a shame!
In truth it is truly a mediocre movie. There are a lot of stars in it, but no one would argue it's anyone's best (or even above-average) performance, and the writing is sub-par at best. It's not bad, it's just fine. Everything about it is big-budget-bland.
Yes. Literally don't give a flip what above said about it. I just love these types of movies ans this works. The story/book would be so much harder to direct and make work In Hollywood and the audience
If you want to know the context of the story, read The Iliad. It's a great read, but the only thing I didn't like about it was there were so many paragraphs where they would introduce a character during the battle, describe all of his accomplishments, and then he would just die in the last sentence. This is why that war was so legendary, every significant warrior of the time took part in the battle.
Just for context, The Trojan War was circa 1300 BCE, so three thousand years ago rather than seven hundred and lasted over ten years. Achilles mother, Thetis, was a Nereid (or sea nymph), she had dipped her infant son in the River Styx to grant him invulnerability but because she had held him by his heels they were the only weak points on his body.
One heel, one weak point.
Every man has an Achilles' Heel.
If I recall, archeologists have found at least nine layers in Troy, suggesting the city has been sacked and rebuilt at least nine times over the centuries.
@@scottboswell6406 Depends who you believe, there are many written sources of the myth from Pollodorus to Plato to Ptolemy and beyond and, of course, all these works have numerous translators and translations. Who's to say what is truth and what is not when referencing a story 3,000 years old (the River Styx story can just as easily be amended to Peleus dragging Achilles out of the flames in which Thetis had flung the babe to test its immortality)? So we're both equally right and wrong
@@JeshuaSquirrel So, they never learned to stop running off with other fella's hot wives. For shame, Troy, for shame
The father of Hector & Paris was Peter O’Toole. He was a top leading man in the movies for decades. Ashley, he was the lead in Lawrence of Arabia…one of the greatest epic films ever made.
I wish I thought Ashleigh would enjoy that movie, but I'm sure she wouldn't.🤣🤣🤣
O’Toole easily provides the most dramatic scene in this film and just eats up each scene he’s in. The man is one of cinemas greatest actors and I would also love to see one of his films land on this channel.
I think she should try The Lion in Winter or My Favorite Year first. Those are more broadly entertaining.
@@jackprather81 Ashleigh would also enjoy King Ralph, though Peter O’Toole was the straight man in that.
"The father of Hector & Paris was Peter O’Toole."
I knew he was old, but...
Another story they leave out is that while the Greek ships gathered at a place called Aulis, te wind died down and they couldn't move. Agamemnon got the word that one of the major goddesses, Artemis, was offended, and refused to let the wind start up unless Agamemnon sacrificed his oldest daughter, Iphigenia. He sent word home that she was going to marry Achilles, and that his wife should hurry on over to Aulis with Iphigenia. They did, and Agamemnon had the sacrifice done. His wife, Clytemnestra, hated him after that, took a lover at home, and plotted Agamemnon's death. Which she succeeded in doing, and which led to other horrific consequences.
You didn't get away with anything in Greek Mythology.
Now that I’m older, I really need to reread The Iliad. The minutiae seems to have been lost to my mind over the years.
There's a great movie about this from the 70s called Iphigenia
@@kate4852 Yes, I remember! I saw it back in the 70s, in a movie theater in NYC. Funny thing, it passed through my memory not too long ago: maybe I should try to see if it's available online and give it another watch.
Artemis, the first Karen.
About 90% of the Illiad is based upon one god or goddess taking interest in someone in the war and then causing problems for their side. They were a contentious lot.
The combined lack of historical knowledge between Ashleigh and Mary was simultaneously entertaining and excruciating.
At least everyone loves Hector.
I remember back in highschool we watched this for a mythology class and i swear i didnt know what it truly was about until i saw the horse🤣🤣 i wasnt the brightest student
I love when she said "There she is, thats going to be hard to keep that secret" The basis for the entire Trojan war and the creation of the Iliad and the Odyssey. Yup. Might get out.
Someone mentioned ten about something at some point, so Game of Puss 'n Thrones is angry.
mary is insufferable
"That's why nobody will remember your name" is one of the coldest lines said by a character in film history.
'I'm here for a good time, not a long time' is essentially the attitude that got Achilles involved in this whole thing!
😂😅 facts 😢
Millennials, hello?
A wordier version of "YOLO"
Ashleigh's experience working in radio really shines through in this. She just effortlessly gets into the conversation and keeps things lively right from the get-go. Great video!
It's those sick broadcast skillz that pay the billz
I agree. I like Mary and her channel but Ashleigh has the absolute best charisma for this type of content. I hope this gives them both a bump, but tbh I don't think Ashleigh needs it.
I was thinking the same thing myself!
@@brandonthesteele That's what keep Beans' waistline considerable.
@@SeeThomasHowl nah she needs it, its all about getting bigger. theres no such thing as too big to fail in youtube
If the Battle of Troy did happen, most pin the dates to 1194-1184 BC. Around 3.200 years ago. Helen is called "the face that launched a thousand ships." In this version, Hector is my favorite character, too. But as Homer wrote in the Iliad, Achilles wasn't nearly as bratty as portrayed in this movie. Also, this was a good place to stop. There are some awesome fights coming up. Can't wait to see part 2.
Hector is, by far, the most honorable character in the whole story. The scene in the book with him speaking to his wife the night before before the last day of fighting will always be one of my favorite scenes in all of literature.
Homer wrote about this movie???
No one knows if it happened or not... We know Troy existed (or a big city around the same place Homer place it, although the Hitites knew it by the name of Wallas). But there isn't a single or contemporary written clue about the battle. When Homer wrote the battle would have happened 2 or 3 centuries before his time, so was just writting down oral stories about it.
If you read it, is full of God interventions and other fantastic actions....
Anyway, battles on the late broze age were very different that the one depicted by the Iliad, which is a typical battle of the Homer times (Which he saw for sure, the depiction is ultra detailed). Boats, swords charriots the amount of soldiers whould have been completelly different.
Didn't he spend several years in his tent when Briseis was taken from him by Agamemnon?
That sword strike to the shoulder was often used as a means of execution. The strike goes all the way down to the heart, basically instantly killing the victim.
and doesn't run the risk of catching on the sternum or a rib.
Brachial artery is there.
@@Jim-Mc The heart is probably more important in this case.
20:40 "No one is that pretty to go in to war to....' A lot of men and boys throughout all of human history have gone to war for that exact reason, to protect the ones they love and defend their way of life. It's not as if they knew, or got a say in, the reasons why they were expected to fight and die; better to fight for something you believe in. And as many other commenters have pointed out, retrieving Helen was just an excuse to conquer Troy.
oh my lord... the Iliad was required reading when I was in school. It is actually quite good. The Aeneid is a sequel of sorts that tells the tale of a survivor that went on to found a little place called Rome.
Don't forget the Odyssey, which is one a very, very unfortunate voyage home from the Trojan war.
@@rcrawford42 yup Odysseus really had a bad time with his GPS...
I prefer the Odyssey
@@ivanboston8582 Lol.
@@ivanboston8582 He had Neptune syndrome.
As much as Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, and Orlando Bloom get a lot of credit for the movie, Brian Cox is excellent in this movie. A great actor.
Agreed. Agamemnon was a real SOB, and Brian Cox has the acting chops to make that work.
Cox played a creepy villian in Xmen 2nd movie. He was the one who experimented on his mutant son, as Striker.
Brian was also my favorite Hannibal Lector.
Brian Cox was great in a few of the Sharpe tv movies that starred Sean Bean. He was only in the first two or three, but he really stands out.
@@bozzutoman Brian was my favorite Vermont State Police Captain.
The mother of Achilles is a goddess. His father was a mortal. Momma asked an oracle about her baby’s destiny. That story ties into the “Achilles heel”.
You should probably mention that is from the Illiad, where the Greek gods got directly involved in the people's lives and in the war.
The movie is taking a more grounded view (although still exaggerated), so Achilles' mom isn't an actual goddess.
Not quite a Goddess. Achilles mother was Thetis who was a Nereid, a sea nymph (more of an elemental). His father was human, Peleus, King of the Myrmidons. When Achilles was a baby, Thetis dipped him into the River Styx, holding him by his heel. This made him invulnerable, except for his heel. His "Achilles Heel".
like that you are so confident and sure and yet basically everything you said is incorrect lulz
@@HemlockRidge She should have dipped him twice with the other ankle, Thanks mum
@@JamesJoyce12 success as?
Loving the crossover ladies! What a great idea. This movie came out during a time when these period pieces were making a comeback. All inspired by the success of Gladiator. Orlando Bloom was starting to make his presence felt with LOTR and Pirates. He then grabbed the lead in Kingdom of Heaven which came out a year or two after Troy.
Achilles fights just because he wants his name to ring out. He doesn't care about the politics or which side he fights for, he just wants the glory.
"Everyone is so proud of themselves" Ashley just defined the ethos of the ancient Greeks.
and therefore hubris :/
And current Greeks. Trust me, I know a few, they take credit for everything lol
@timothybrown5999 and then it's crazy when Americans who trace their lineage to other parts of Europe will try to have some weird connection to Greece/Rome usually for some weird sociopolitical superiority complex lulz
I cannot comprehend how two women have made it to adulthood without becoming aware of The Iliad story or its relevance to pop culture. This reaction had me shook basically the entire time as they pieced together the elements of The Iliad.
..... clueless millennials.... twue thang 😎
Yeah we had to read that in high school. I love all that stuff, though.
Yeah... I'm kinda interested in their part 2 reaction just to see if they have heard of the Trojan Horse.
One of the things that still manages to shock me is how ignorant and uneducated young people are these days. I love Ashleigh, but so often I'm downright sad about the crappy education she obviously received. Listening to her brag about how unlikely it is that she will ever read the Iliad made me actually tear up a little. Something that is still in print after 2,800 years stuck around for a reason, and she doesn't care to know that reason. Sigh. I'm about 14 minutes into this, but I don't think I can watch the rest...can someone tell me if they ever figured out that this isn't the 13th century?
Well, they are american so no surprises there, really. We are aware of the huge cultural knowledge handicap.
I feel so sorry for the young people today who don't read. The best movies I've ever experienced take place between my ears when I am reading a good book. The most fulfilling pastime I have.
Ashleigh and Mary. Long-time subscriber to both of you. What a fun collaboration! For this Chicago boy, it's such fun hearing Ashleigh's Tennessee twang and Mary's Aussie slang back and forth. What a treat, lol! You play off each other really well; I'm looking forward to part 2 right away!
Helen of Troy, the face that launched ten ships! Now that’s a tale to remember.
An epic tale that will survive in history for hundreds and hundreds of minutes.
I always heard it as the face that launched thousands of ships.
🤣
Don't my sides are aching!
@@wolf9walkerbut Ashleigh and Mary thought it was 10. That's the joke.
I actually did read The Iliad. In one scene Helen laments that her beauty is a curse. One woman I mentioned this too said that Helen would get along well with her roommates.
Agamemnon’s reason for going to war was he wanted to dominate the region of the Aegean Sea. Helen leaving his brother just gave him an excuse.
If you haven’t already seen it, either of you may want to see Blackhawk Down. It has both Orlando Bloom and Eric Bana.
Troy was a wealthy city, on the trade route controlling access to Indian silk and spices, which made it a coveted territory.
Seeing Peter O'Toole as the Trojan king reminded me how much I'd love to see Ashleigh get to some of the many classics he's done. I really think she'd like "The Lion in Winter" for it's incredible dialogue, and to introduce her to Katharine Hepburn, who I think Ashleigh will really like.
Eight times nominated for an Oscar and zero wins to the Academy's great shame. Lawrence of Arabia, The Stuntman and My Favorite Year are all deserving of reactions.
I was thinking the same thing! She should probably start with The Lion in Winter and My Favorite Year before moving on to something like Becket or Lawrence of Arabia.
I'm guessing she has already heard his voice in Ratatouille.
Seconding the recommendation for “The Lion in Winter,” also “Lawrence of Arabia,” and “My Favorite Year.” But he provided a boost even when he had small parts, like in “Ratatouille” or “Stardust.”
He did another royalty-related movie: King Ralph.
Lawrence of Arabia is a beautifully shot film!
Ok, so history stuff, love that... but can we please talk about how these 2 ladies have lightning in a bottle type of chemistry!? I'm here for it and can't wait for Part 2 💜💙
Two of my favorite reactors watching such an entertaining movie. Thanks for doing this, ladies. Just when I thought there was nothing on YT tonight, I come across this!
Achilles’ mom, Thetis, is a water nymph. So he has a supernatural ancestry which might explain his arrogance towards just about everyone. He is essentially a superhuman. The film undermines the more mythic source material by trying to ground the story a bit more and so those sorts of details don’t always come through very well in this film.
14:18 Mary - “Can you get married to different people at the same time?”
Ashleigh - “I don’t knowwwww…” *change of plan - I don’t have to wait to have future ex-husbands!*
This is a top-tier collab! So well done, great teamwork and I can’t wait for next week 😁
It was a requirement to read the Iliad in high school and I actually love the story. It's also a true classic, meaning it's also used in historical study as well as literature
Nah in middle school . But I read versions of it as early as seven
@@acdragonrider You're probably trying to be cute, but it's a required reading in many high schools all over the world as a part of classic literature course in language classes. I read it when I was 15.
Now this generation is literally NOT taught history…it’s sad…,trying to create brainwashed commie lunatics…and it’s working sadly
For us it was part of basic English classes in high school 7th grade but that also included many other works and was an entire phase of mythology. I think it was the first non romantic work in which we read for a long long time as classwork it was really really refreshing.
We had The Iliad and The Odyssey.
A Great Collab, About time!!! Two great reactors being their best!! Thanks to both of you. The story of Troy is as famous a story as ever!!!
"I've heard of the Achilles Heal" OMG stop LOL!!!! Part 2 will reveal all!!!
It's so good to hear you appreciating these characters and this story that were created 3000 years ago. In fact, writers say that every story is already in Iliad and Odissey by Homer.
In mythology Hera, Aphrodite, and Athena came to Zeus and asked him which of them was the most beautiful. Zeus in all his wisdom decided…..let someone else deal with this. Thus they went to Prince of Troy who selected Aphrodite. As a reward she said she would give him the most beautiful mortal woman and transported Helen to Troy.
And just adding onto that: the whole contest started at the wedding of Achilles' parents. The goddess of Discord, Eris, hadn't been invited, so she crashed the party, tossed out the Apple of Discord and proclaimed "For the Fairest". Knowing it would end up starting the war.
Maleficent had nothing over Eris, that's for sure.
Probably one of the few smart things Zeus did! Don't piss off three Goddesses at once 😂
@@wilboehmer5620 Yep. He already has Hera pissed at him most of the time, he didn't need a former war goddess and a current war goddess after him too.
To muddle things a little more, Paris wasn't asked to choose the 'fairest.' Instead, they offered bribes, and he chose the hot chick.
@@albertmartinez2539 That's basically true: it started out with him being asked to choose, and then the three immediately started bribing.
There's also an aspect of the story that the Trojan royal family knew Paris was fated to cause their destruction and abandoned him as an infant. But the servant charged with the duty couldn't do it..... and Paris also has a wife, a nymph who is abandoned in the course of things, and comes to a bad end.
I honestly can't fathom this collaboration, as someone who watches plenty of reactions from both. Very cool!
13th century... BCE. It's kind of an important distinction. 13th century was like 800 years ago. 13th century BCE was like 3,300 years ago.
Two of my absolute FAVES!!!! Love this collab so much. This reaction was hysterical 😂😂 Love y’all!!
Omg, two reactors I adore! I also love this movie, both because I'm a huge Greek Mythology nerd, and because it was one of the movies we rented at one of my first teenage sleepovers. It was this and Anchorman, so I have a lot of nostalgia. Can't wait to watch part 2 on Mary's channel.
Helen had a face that launched 1000 ships. The Achilles’ tendon is named for his wound. Troy was thought to be a myth until about a century ago when it was found and excavated.
Helen was so ugly that a thousand ships were launched to flee from her. ;-)
Helen of Troy wasn't blond. Historically, she was a red-head...lol
You can go to Troy (in Turkey) and see what's there still,
HOMER's version IS STILL a myth!
"I know Helen of Troy didn't have that great a face and it only launched a hundred ships, not a thousand" Methos, 1997
Eric Banna is the MVP of this movie. I still remember as a teen in Australia watching him on a comedy show ala Saturday Night Live style being like the clown of the show almost, never imagining he wold become such a great dramatic actor.
Comedy's harder than drama so it's not surprising, but most people won't give comedians a fair shake when they do dramatic roles
Full Frontal's Poida rocking the blonde mullet. 👌
The collaboration I didn't know I needed. It could have been any movie. you two are great together.
Nice collab! I watch both of you! ❤ Mary's Star Wars screaming and Ashleigh bursting into tears, good times 😄
This is great seeing two of my favorite movie watchers join together for movie time
Ashleigh and Mary!!! What the hell is going on?! I had no idea this collaboration was going to happen but I'm happy to see it!
I traveled in Greece as well. I have been to the site of the palace of Agamemnon. There is a movie company called “Lionsgate”. The original Lion’s Gate is at the palace the palace of Agamemnon.
There are so many English words that come come from the epic poems the Iliad & the Odyssey. Ashley you just watched Oh brother where art Thou. So many ideas from the Poems. When George Clooney & friends are upon the RR pump car they encounter a blind prophet. Homer (mythical poet who wrote the Iliad & Odyssey) was blind. John Goodman was the one eyed Cyclops (Odyssey). The expression “Achilles heel” is a common English term. Achilles’ tendon is a medical term. I could ramble on but you get my point..
"I spoke to two farmer's today."
"Cool story." 😂😂😂😂
I needs part 2 now!
1. The Iliad is a myth, an epic poem told by Homer, full of Greek gods and goddesses, but centered around Achilles and his passion. This movie is basically that same story, without all the mythology. It's told as if it's history. This in contrast to the movie 300, which retold an historical event as a myth.
2. "Troy" missed the entire point of the story. Achilles was blessed by the gods, more than any other man, but because he followed his passion, he and others met tragic endings. In contrast, the sequel is about Odysseus, who was cursed by the gods, and was able to overcome that curse by his moral and intellectual virtue, which included overcoming the flaws in his own character-something Achilles was never really able to do in the book. We live in a society where people are told to follow their passions, their heart, trust their feelings, etc. So the movie reflects that sentiment.
I think it funny how we learned about Greek history in our World History class in school. So the Trojan War was a story I enjoyed seeing brought to life. Love watching you both.
Holy crap these are literally the only two people I ever watch react to things and they’re collabing that’s crazy
If you like these two, check out Zzavid and Alanda Parker. They are the only reactors clever enough and funny enough to compete with Ashleigh, IMHO.
I follow about 50 different rectors, if you like Ashley & Mary you may like a few of these others: CineBinge (Canadian duo) , TBR Schmitt, VKunia, Shan Watches Movies, kaiielle, I Eat Movies Like You For Breakfast
@@tooluser I second VKunia. I'd also throw in Natalie Gold, Popcorn in Bed, Holden Hartman (especially for his My Girlfriend/Wife Reacts series), and ANGELINA as some of the ones I follow all the time.
Also check out timothee reacts, Movies in depth, Welchy, white noise reacts ✨
One I hate & One I like
AAAH! Two reactors I love together!
It's like a big submarine or an aircraft carrier; two reactors!
I love this! I'm a subscriber to both channels. The good thing about not having read this story, you won't be irritated by the inconsistencies.
Well, this was fun! Been subscribed to both you ladies for a while now. Really enjoyed this. A very nice balance of both of you. Please do more in the future if you’re able. Looking forward to part 2!
The collab I didn't know I needed. But I'm here for it. Thanks ladies!
I watch both of your reaction channels. I am loving this, collaborations are awesome!
“No woman can possibly be that beautiful to go to war over.” It’s actually a little more complicated than that, Mary. For starters, Helen is a demigod (her father was Zeus). Second, when Helen and Menelaus married, Odysseus made sure there would be peace by having all the kings of Greece swear an oath to protect the marriage of Helen and her husband, and if someone tried to destroy this union, they would go to war to protect it. And third, in the original myth Paris KIDNAPPED Helen. They did have a brief affair, but Helen wanted to remain loyal to her husband. However, Aphrodite, who had promised Paris would get Helen as his wife as a reward for choosing her as the most beautiful goddess between her, Hera, or Athena, cast a love spell on her and made her go to Troy with Paris (in one retelling, Hera discovers this plot and creates a duplicate of Helen to be the recipient of Aphrodite’s spell, while she hides the real Helen in Egypt to protect her from the coming Trojan War).
And by "love spell" we mean she told her son Eros (known to the Romans as Cupid) to shoot Helen with one of his famous arrows
It's actually a lot more complicated than that. The story begins with the creation of the universe, really.
Y'see, Zeus got a lust boner for Thetis, a sea nymph. Until he found out that Thetis was prophesied to give birth to a son who would be mightier than his father. Well, Zeus was king of the gods because he killed his own father, Kronos, king of the Titans. Kronos had been eating his own children because he had been told that one of his children would overthrow him as king. Zeus' mother hid him from Kronos until he grew old enough to kill his father. Of course Kronos had overthrown and killed his own father, so he was understandably concerned about his own children doing unto him. So there's a kind of generational cycle going on here. And as a result, Zeus decided to ensure that Thetis' child wouldn't be a threat to his rule by marrying her off to the mortal king Peleus.
At Thetis' wedding all of the gods were in invited...except Eris, the goddess of discord. This ticked Eris off, so she threw a golden apple inscribed "for the fairest" into the wedding celebration. All of the goddess laid claim to the apple, but the three main contenders were Hera, Athena and Aphrodite. They asked Zeus to decide who deserved the apple. But Zeus wasn't a fool, so he appointed a mortal to render judgment. That mortal was Paris, who had earlier shown himself to be an impartial judge in a previous dispute with Ares. Each of the goddesses offered Paris a bride. Hera offered kingship over the world. Athena offered unmatched wisdom and skill in battle. Aphrodite offered him the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. So Paris awarded the apple to Aphrodite.
Meanwhile Helen, a daughter of Zeus, had come of age and was courted by all of the eligible young royalty of Greece. Odysseus was one of the suitors. He proposed that all of the suiters swear an oath (and men at that time took oaths very, very seriously) to defend Helen's marriage as a means of keeping the losers from fighting one another over Helen's hand in perpetuity. Ultimately Helen chose Menelaus (who had sent his brother Agamemnon to court her in his stead). Agamemnon, by the way, had married Helen's sister Klytemnestra.
So, when Paris abducted Helen, all of Greece was honor-bound to go to war to get her back. Thus Helen became The Face That Launched A Thousand Ships.
The story of the Trojan War is one of the foundational myths of Western society. Homer's Iliad and it's sequel, Iliad 2: Odysseus' Boogaloo, were as influential on Classical society as the Bible was on Medieval to modern society. The example of Achilles inspired Alexander the Great to conquer most of the known world hoping to become as famous as Achilles. While Achilles mother Thetis offered him a choice between a quiet, obscure life of family and farming or an early death and eternal fame, so far her promise has held true.
Helen of Troy was known as the "face that launched a thousand ships"
this just killed me, i grew up knee deep in greek mythology and it blows my mind to watch not one but 2 grown ass woman who have somehow never even heard the basics of the trojan war. but at the 16:00 mark the girls are talking about how pretty Helen is and how Mary is "obsessed with her face" and couldn't help but laugh. Helen of Troy is known to us history nerds as "the most beautiful woman in all of antiquity" and "the face that launched a 1000 ships"
lol my junior high school's teams were called the Trojans, and their mascot was.... the Trojan Horse. California public education leaves a lot to be desired... but seriously... the Trojan Horse? Nobody at my junior high school ever read the book?
facts. the first girl said she couldn't imagine a world where she would be required to read the Iliad, but I know in a lot of schools at least in higher levels of English classes in the U.S. the Iliad is one of the required texts to read, so I found that funny.
Yes! We learned some Greek mythology in grade school, and I steeped myself in it even before we had it in school. Blew my mind that they didn't know what Troy was.
why are they praising themselves for their historical ignorance and for not reading? that makes no sense. its like watching "gone with the wind" and knowing nothing about slavery. or "apollo 13" and knowing nothing about the space program. oh those wacky millennials.
@@cjmacq-vg8um I'm sure public education in both countries has covered American slavery quite well. More than its demise or causes, or slavery as institution elsewhere and throughout history. There's a couple of Thomas Sowell videos on that on UA-cam.
Here in the States, I don't what or if they teach anything about the space program. Part of me suspects they teach that it was expensive to feed to the poor and hungry instead of going to the moon, and that it was racist.
I've never heard so much laughter over the fall of Troy. You should watch Saving Private Ryan together. It's a hoot.
I’m so glad to see both of you reacting together. Been subbed to both of your channels for a long time.
The same line in the entire comment section ?
The oldest European name we have record of is "Alexander". It's mentioned (spelled a bit differently) in Hittite clay tablets discussing events that appear to be the Trojan War. Paris was also known as Alexander, and apparently the tablets were talking about him.
Which Hittite tablets talk about the Trojan war? I'd love to know more about that.
Yes his name was Alexander but after stealing hellen he became paris.paris is the one who takes
Actually in the original story Helen was in happy marriage with Menelaus. But she got thirsty for Paris and lost her mind. Homer wrote about it as Goddess Aphrodite interfered to give Paris the most beautiful woman in the world. Also, when Helen was to be wed all her suitors swore that whoever got her in the end will be defended by all present. That is why they all sailed to war, to honor their word. To break their word in those times was lethal to a king and kingdom, no one would negotiate with them, no one would trade with them and no one would serve or fight for them if they were known to be oath breaker without honor. The king of Troy Priam looked so wide eyed because it dawned on him that ALL of Greece military might was united and descended upon his kingdom. Sure, the city itself was secure enough, and well supplied with secret tunnels out, but the countryside, the farms the allies along the coast, they were all done for. And over the ten years that this war lasted those allies run away if they were lucky and came into Troy that had to feed them also as their food stocks continued to dwindle.
You really should read the Illiad it is one of the original EPICs as we know it. It was required topic in my high school though most of my classmates just went for synopsis and the impact it had historically and culturally. I actually read it and while I am not a fan of poems, this was worth the read even in translated form. Given the love and care translators give these stories I am sure you can find fantastic English translation.
Ancient Greek was only 700 years ago? Bless your hearts
Achilles in the original Greek mythology was actually the real hero of the story. And Paris is actually the villain,in the original mythology the Trojan war was orchestrated by the gods. The Greek gods wanted to know which one of them were the most beautiful. And they asked Paris to decide and in return he would receive the most beautiful woman in the land. Helen of Troy but she was already married so Aphrodite (goddess of love) made her fall for Paris.
Paris took Helen to Sparta and which triggered the war. Achilles was the son of sea nymph that dipped him in a mystical river. He was granted invulnerability and superhuman abilities. He only fought in the war to avenge his best friend/cousin and save the woman he loved.
I love/appreciate that almost every second Achilles is on screen he feels legitimately dangerous. Smart filmmaking. Hold back on using/showing him just enough.. build the anticipation... then unleash him.
It's no mistake that I follow both of you wonderful girls! Been on the Cherry/Burton bandwagon for a bit now. More of these collabs, please?
Mary is making the rounds. First Vkunia and now Ashley.
Watching you two stumble through this movie will be so much fun
Mary talking about Hector: "He'll get dragged into it though"
People who've read The Illiad: 👀
Shhh, no spoilers!
my two favorite UA-cam reactioners at the same time!;)
Ashleigh is such a gem on her own, she's a double diamond with a guest
Okay, this collab legit made my day lol. Please, please do more together in the future!
Just not this kind of movie. This was unwatchable with all the giggling and forced jokes, like watching high school girls try beer for the first time...
Despite its historical inaccuracies, it's a pretty good eoic advanture film.
RIP, Wolfgang Petersen, director
RIP, James Horner, composer.
I mean MYTHS themselves are historical inaccuracies so i just roll with it…. That being said…. Thats is why it IS important to read the original version of a tale so that you van appreciate how the tale changes …. I recently went on a splurge where I read the orginial mutiny on the bounty and then watched every theatrical version of it… and am doing the same for all sorts of classical literature and fables
Oh do I miss James Horner. Fantastic composer we lost WAY too soon. RIP indeed. 🎶😪🎶
@@MrSheckstr There's archaeological evidence of a war that fits the basic outline of the Trojan war. Reports from Hittite ambassadors that name Priam and Paris, and talk about the Achaeans fighting the Wilusans -- and Wilusa is another name for the site that's the historical Troy.
There is no historical accuracy, it’s all just a mythical story Homer made up
@@KentuckyBrad No its not, please actually do some research
I am quite surprised, I had subscribed to both of you for quite awhile, and in no way ever expect you two to even know of each other, let alone would do a collab. This was delightful!
The collaboration I didn't know I needed. So glad you two did this more collaborations, please.
I'm so happy right now! This is the reaction crossover I was waiting for. Ashleigh Burton and Mary Cherry, you're the best! Keep up the good work!❤
Holy moly! I never thought id see you two together. Now all we need is ANGELINA in a collab with you two to make the group complete. Also here's a fun fact... The actor that played Menelaus also played Mad-Eye Moody in Harry Potter.
It amuses me how my comment about angelina went missing from this channel but entire threads on the same subject remain intact on her (angelina's) videos.
@@No1Knows That is rather odd.
Worlds or Channels Collide AND ITS GREAT :D. As people have said its BC, ancient times. The 13th century would look medieval, this is set 2600 years before the 13th century. I love this period in history as it's often based around myth and legend. Thanks for the reaction and I hope you both do more collab.
HOLY SHIT..... Ashleighs FIRST collab AND its with Mary Cherry. Yessssss. We needed this 🎉
Crazy how I’ve been watching you both forever and never expected a collaboration!
Oh wow it's awesome to see you two doing a team up!
The Judgement of Paris, "the face that launched 1000 ships," the Trojan War - such great stories! I hope after watching you get to catch up on them.
Not two minutes into this and i know the man candy reactions are going to be awesome
The collaboration we didn't knkw we needed, but the one we deserved.
Two of my favorite reactors doing a collab. Love to see it and hope they do more in the future.
Great movie, and I'm glad to see you two making a collab on this. I was a big mythology geek when I was a kid, read so many different mythologies of so many different peoples. Greek and Roman, Norwegian, Japanese, etc. I'm glad you two enjoyed this.
You know when you mix two ingredients you don’t think would vibe well but it turns out to be amazing? This is that in video form.
Peanut butter and dill pickles. I don’t know whose who.
This is ADORABLE! You ladies should do this more often but like…a treat. Once every two months or so.
Reactor Worlds collide! and nobody got hurt it was surprisingly wholesome.
I enjoyed you first collaboration, it is very entertaining to see both of you enjoy this movie to this point so far. I watch both of your channels and commend both of you on this endeavor. Keep it coming!!!
You two making each other laugh is great. You should do more of these.
This is crazy. I cant believe you are collabing with mary.
Its like the martial arts youtubers collabing. It feels like a Christmas special.
You ladies are online media stars! This reaction has been "up" for only 9 hours and already y'all have 31,000 views!!! Congrats! Your fun and entertaining reputations are known world-wide!
This is an awesome crossover featuring two of my favorite reviewers! I saw this movie when it came out, and it started a tradition for me: every movie with Orlando Bloom in it gets retitled "Legolas (does something related to the plot)". Troy is "Legolas Starts a War and Boromir Finishes it". Also on the list are "Legolas goes Crusading" (Kingdom of Heaven), "Legolas tries Piracy" (Pirates of the Caribbean I), "Legolas Likes Piracy" (Pirates of the Caribbean II), "Legolas Gets Tired of Piracy and Becomes Davey Jones" (Pirates of the Caribbean III) and "Legolas Joins the U.S. Army" (Black Hawk Down).
You're weird, mate. (But I like you). 😂
it's great to see you both joining to react! two of my favourite reactors! ❤❤
Omg two of the most beautiful ladles I have ever laid eyes on.❤
Girl I've loved your reactions! This is one of my favorite movies. I absolutely recommend Brad Pitts Legends of the Fall and Interview with the Vampire!!!
Yes! She would love both of those!
Yeah I think those 3 may be my favorite Brand Pitt movies too.
@@itzakpoelzig330 Great minds think alike 😉 👌🏼
@@melodini3125 I so agree with you. Interview is my favorite movie and book but Legends is sooo damn good too!
@@hilarywilkes7853 I wonder what her Hallowbeans line-up is looking like this year? Do you think she's already got it all worked out? I'm not a patreon, but I hope one of them will request Interview With The Vampire, for all our sakes.
I swear I am not lying / simping or anything alike. You two are literally in my top 3 reaction channels i watch. So entertaining in slightly different ways. I am incredibly lucky
Just want to say that you have great chemistry together. You guys should do more collaborations in the future. I don't think I've ever had this much fun watching two people reacting to a movie together.
Troy was a really fun movie, although honestly it deserves a TV series, given how many characters and events happened during it (even the gods getting involved personally). I think it would be really popular if done well.
Search "Helen of Troy Miniseries"
Maybe Peter Jackson could have a go at it🤔🤔🤔
@@Urugami45 he was probably busy with King Kong(2005)...
While Troy isn’t one of my favorite movies, I love that you are now making collaboration videos, Ashleigh! If I may recommend to you, you should do a reaction video with @VKunia! Nice girl, great movie reactions!
I'm not sure the world is ready for Ash and Vick to cross paths but I'm 100% on board with this idea. There are loads of reaction channels I'd love to see react to things together.
Just when you think it couldn't get any better. 😆😄 I'm so here for more collabs in the future.
Neither of you have never heard of the story of the Trojan War?
Oh boy…time for some commentary
DISCLAIMER: Before I begin however, I am not a big fan of this movie entirely as there are many things from the original story that are omitted. But with some things that do happen, I do really enjoy it. Your collaboration with Mary is great and I look forward to seeing more in the future. With that said, let’s begin:
7:13 “imagine a king that fights his own battles. Wouldn’t that be a sight.” Love that quote. Reminds me of Leonidas from 300, King Arthur from Excalibur (1981), and Aragorn from the Lord of the Rings.
7:35 According to the Iliad, Achilles was the son of King Peleus of Thitia and the sea goddess, Thetis. He is a demigod and more unique than the average person. Additionally, he was said to have been trained in combat by the wise centaur Chiron of whom is noted to have trained many of Greek Mythology’s greatest heroes.
10:45 “I was under the impression that he was a killer?” Unfortunately, Prince Paris is only a pretty face and nothing more. In the story of the Trojan War, he is a terrible fighter and a coward.
12:32 “I feel that this bloke will die.” LOL. Considering his character has a whole story dedicated to him after the war LMAO.
12:44 Patroclus in the stories wasn’t his cousin, rather his childhood friend and companion. In some variations, he is even portrayed as Achilles’ lover.
13:26 she is Thetis, a goddess of the sea and had the foresight to try to warn her son of what would happen if he left for Troy.
17:38 Achilles is a king and commands the Thitians, his people.
20:41 “no one is that pretty to go into war” In the Greek myths, Helen was said to be the most beautiful woman in the Greek world at the time (it was believed that she was the daughter of the King of the gods, Zeus himself). When it came time for her to marry, she had many suitors of whom not only wanted her for her beauty but for her royal prestige as well. Her mortal father, fearful that by choosing one of the suitors would make enemies of the others, consulted Odysseus the king of Ithaca for advice. He recommended that the suitors would make an oath, before the very Olympian gods themselves that they would serve and defend Helen regardless of who she marries. The king agreed to this, the suitors had taken the oath, and Helen married Menelaus. Unfortunately, it is this very oath that Agamemnon invokes when Helen is taken to Troy, forcing the other kings to follow him into war.
21:32 “how are there ships still coming in?” what makes the story of the Trojan War legendary were that over 1,000 ships full of Greek soldiers and kings came to make war on Troy. One of the things that I do not like about this movie are the other great names that they omitted from the story such as Diomedes, Teucer, Nestor, and so forth. They were just as badass as Achilles.
21:52 Apollo is the Greek god of the sun, music, and medicine. Briseas, Rose Byrne’s character, is a priestess that serves him.
(Commentary continues in the next video)
You're new to Ashleigh's channel? She doesn't read much. Almost seems proud of the fact. Your love of the subject is wasted on her.
We’re over an hour in the movie, and they haven’t figured out that Helen of troy is played by Diane Kruger from national treasure in several other movies
"Troy" is a great movie! I love watching it, over and over and over again! It never gets old! And yet it is so forgotten by literally everyone, and dismissed as mediocre. Which is a true pity, because of all the A-list actors who willingly, and enthusiastically, participated in this flick.
The book was better.
I dislike this movie for so many reasons, that I could fill a whole book with them. So I want to mention only three major issues I have with it:
1. According to Homer the war lasted ten years. However the movie suggests a timeframe of less than one month (!!!).
2. Achilles had already died from one single arrow in his ankle before (!) Troy was seized and not from a bunch of them inside the city.
3. AND where the heck are the gods??? In the "Illiad" they play an almost equally important role as the human participants.
After the Judgement of Paris, where he had favoured Aphrodite over Hera and Athene (a scene, which isn't even shown in the movie) the war became a matter for the bosses before it even started for the mortals.
From the very beginning of the Trojan war it was also kind of a chess game between the gods/godesses occasionally supporting their respective teams (Greeks or Trojans) with their devine powers. Nothing of that is even mentioned in this pathetic effort.
The makers of "Troy" took one of the greatest pieces of world literature and mythology and made it a profane, mediocre war movie. What a shame!
In truth it is truly a mediocre movie. There are a lot of stars in it, but no one would argue it's anyone's best (or even above-average) performance, and the writing is sub-par at best. It's not bad, it's just fine. Everything about it is big-budget-bland.
Yes. Literally don't give a flip what above said about it. I just love these types of movies ans this works. The story/book would be so much harder to direct and make work In Hollywood and the audience
I love the production of this movie and the fun performances. The Iliad will always be there.
If you want to know the context of the story, read The Iliad. It's a great read, but the only thing I didn't like about it was there were so many paragraphs where they would introduce a character during the battle, describe all of his accomplishments, and then he would just die in the last sentence. This is why that war was so legendary, every significant warrior of the time took part in the battle.
That sounds like a _Red Wedding_ every other paragraph.
In the actual story Paris and Helen stop loving each other because Cupid's arrow wears off.
The gods were messing with humanity yet again
Two of my favorite reactors together! You guys are great!