this is exactly why people need to quit thinking they know everything about something they only partially know about but even I admit he's pretty damn good at what he does
Everything I know about the Titanic, I've learned from Sam. I keep thinking, there can't possibly be any more to know, then he releases a new video, covering another interesting aspect of the Titanic disaster. I had no interest in the Titanic, or ships in general, until I found Sam's channel. I was immediately hooked because of his enthusiasm for the subject...that enthusiasm is definitely contagious.
It's amazing that we keep learning new information about the sinking of the Titanic even after all the survivors are dead. New details have come to light since James Cameron made his Titanic movie in 1996
@@PowerRangerfan I did watch the movie again in June 2023. I did watch it before Historic Travels became a UA-camr, and I have watched the movie a couple of times.
Hi Sam! I'm absolutely amazed that they completely ignored the survivors' testimony that the ship even broke apart in the first place. All of the movies prior to 1997 show it just gracefully slipping down into the ocean. They totally disregarded all the survivors that said it broke up. They just wanted to fantasize that the ship went down regally and majestically. It was anything but, as we know for sure now today.
Well... It's not like ALL the survivors said it broke up. Most of the interviewed survivors in 1912 said it sank in one piece, including the surviving officers. It's not even like historians later revisited the evidence and concluded that the ship did indeed break up - in 1985 when the wreck was discovered, it was a total shock to everyone except 4 of the 6 living survivors that the Titanic had broken up.
Yeah, what was up with that. Did they even consider how painful it was for them to watch me tear in two? Not only was it scary for me but the passengers were horrified to even see me break up. The worse part is that all the survivors have now passed away and things like the Olympic switch theory still exist. LEAVE MY SISTER OLYMPIC ALONE!!!
@Historic Travels The #4 funnel falling during the break up is a mistake that is quite common even until today. Survivors like Jack Thayer stated it stood long after the break up, even when the stern was rising again, he states that the funnel did not fall. There are also survivors who testified it still standing are: Edward Buley, George Crowe, Samuel Rule, George Symons, Frank Evans, Fredrick Hoyt, Thomas Dillon, Ruth Becker, Patrick Dillon, Thomas Ranger, and John Collins. All of them state they saw the funnel standing long after the break, and even when the stern was rising again, it did not fall. When the ship broke, stern isn’t exactly falling, it’s settling, making the stern's crash not as violent, making the funnel have no reason to fall. The stern would need to either crash down like in the 1997 movie (but the angle is too high), or flop into the water so hard, it makes the funnel topple. Sam, I'm happy that you understand why the funnel can't fall during the break up, but there's one thing I don't exactly agree with, at least, not anymore, and that is the funnel "canting-back". It is actually quite logical to think that it wasn't canted back either. Even tho Patrick Dillon stated he saw the funnel "cant-up" toward him, he was drunk on the night of the sinking, so he could have just been seeing things, it's not illogical since we have Charles Joughin who stated the whole stern rolled over to port, when in reality, it didn't. Dillon was the only one who "saw" this happen, and in his drunk state in the sinking, it doesn't make his account all that convincing. Another reason why it makes sense for it to not fall or cant, is because the #4 funnel's remains are located to be somewhere very close to the stern, if the funnel broke off at the surface, it would possibly be in a location much farther from the stern in the wreck. For me, I have the funnel breaking off when the stern is spiraling during the descent, where it would be thrown off somewhere near the stern, which is where it rests, near the port side of the stern wreck. (This is me, Titanic and other ship studies 🚢, just in a different account to anyone who was wondering.)
@@titanicandothershipstudies4202 Hello good sir, I just wanted to say your essay about my No.4 funnel was remarkable and as a result you have my respect. Have a good day, goodbye.
@@derpyplayground Yeah, I would like to see one on the SS Statendam/Justicia. She was sunk in WW1 because the German U-boat that sank her thought she was the USS Leviathan/ SS Imperator.
I love all your videos Sam. I'm usually a 'silent viewer' as rarely engage in comment sections of anything but I feel like when I'm watching you, I'm having a really great conversation (even though I never speak you answer all the questions I would ask!) You provide all these great videos and I've been around for not much longer than a year and it has been so good to watch you grow so much as you deserve so I send lots of love and appreciation from England, 45ish mins away from Southampton, and just 15 minutes from the final resting place of the Duff-Gordons and Smith's family
Lightoller described being up to his knees in water in collapsible b. Are there any more details about this lifeboat and what they experienced. I guess all those people on the raft would push it under water but its hard to imagine it staying afloat. Also harold bride and lightoller both report seeing jack phillips after the sinking. Its believed that he died in the sinking but i think he made it to collapsable b. Lightoller said he spoke to the senior wireless operator which was phillips. Then said he fell into the water but they kept his head above water where he died of hypothermia. Harold bride said he saw his body before being helped up the ropes to the carpathia. To me this is more sad then when rose was trying to wake up jack.
Theoretically that could be possible but the engines were pulling one side of the stern down so it quickly went down below the water and started taking on water above the watertight compartments. Without the bow the weight distribution has completely went all over the place
@@fnaffoxy1987 True, as a matter of fact that pull were more significant to sinking of the stern than those engines. The bow could have hold to the stern long enough for stern to take on water and that could be the reason it did not stay a float for longer. Also after the break up, the bow and stern hit each other on their tops crumbling all the decks and possibly watertight compartments walls. Regardless of the reason - there was too much damage to the structure of the ship, plus the sterns weight distribution did not help to stay a float on its own.
Please refer to Mike Brady's video "Final Plunge: Titanic's HORRIFYING Last Five Minutes" as he mentioned that in the video. Mike Brady's channel's name Is Ocean Liner Designs. Please check it out.
The passion Sam puts into his work is insane!! most creators of this genre have an almost corporate feel to them, but Sam doesn't overly-promote his channel and instead focus' on spreading lots of information! its insane and I learn something knew every time I watch u Sam! keep it up!
Well that's certainly interesting. I had no idea the fourth funnel managed to remain upright either. While I could never truly understand why it was depicted as falling during the breakup in most depictions to be fair, at the same time it made a bit of sense to me. It wasn't until you mentioned how Titanic, being an ocean liner, was of course designed to be tossed about in harsh conditions and remain intact that I put one and two together. That actually makes a whole lot of sense. Yet even still, given the angle she was at for her final plunge, it's honestly a testament to her designers and builders that her funnels could still remain upright even in such a condition.
Thank you Sam for inspiring so many creator like myself to make our own channels about this type of stuff. I love learning about the Titanic (Hence my username) and making UA-cam videos all about different types of ships. Keep up the great work👍
Just came across your channel recently and have been loving getting caught up! As a guy who has always been so interested in the Titanic I love being able to watch, learn and think of things I haven't considered before! Keep up the awesome work!
I appreciate your time and knowledge on this subject. I live in Kingsport Tennessee and I am very close to pigeon forge. You have inspired me to go and visit the Titanic museum next time a venture that way. Should be extra exciting. And I can now impress people when I go, now that I have watched hours of your content.
"After that, I want to follow that episode up by taking you back to the surface of the sea, and back in time to what happened on the night the Titanic sank and how just flicking a switch and changing the psychology, how that could have saved many, many lives" -Nick Van der Leek, True Crime Rocket Science
"Interviewer: But Senator Collins why did the front of the ship fall off? Bob Collins - Australian Senator: Well a wave hit it. Interviewer: A wave hit it? Bob Collins - Australian Senator: A wave hit the ship! Interviewer: Is that unusual? Bob Collins - Australian Senator: Oh yeah! At sea? Chance in a million!"
Thanks for clarifying with the 4th funnel Sam. You did a great job. The fourth funnel stayed standing after the break up until it was pushed aft by the water current as the water reached the funnel, especially with Thomas Patrick Dillion’s testimony saying the fourth funnel was pushed aft by the water current as the water reached it and with most survivors who saw the 4 funnel saying it stayed on after the break up which made it easier to see what the ship was doing after the break up despite of the fact it was a moonless night which means when most of the power went out, it plunged the ship into near total darkness, the only way to see the ship when the power went out would be the stars in the sky, and the few emergency lights but it would be still very hard to see what the ship was doing, but by watching the black outline of the 4th funnel in the night sky, the survivors had a easier time seeing what the ship was doing in the final moments. Edit: From researching Thomas Patrick Dillion and seeing some stuff from the Encyclopedia Titanic, I found out that he was actually drunk at the time as first class passenger Miss Elizabeth Eustis said she saw a drunk man with a bottle of Brady and that the men was thrown into the bottom of the boat and a blanket thrown over him. Elizabeth was on lifeboat 4 and Thomas Patrick Dillion was saved from the water and put into boat 4 as well, and Dillion lost consciousness once he was safe in boat 4. So I now believe that the 4th funnel fell after the stern went under, but still good job Sam. Edit 2: While it is true that Dillion was drunk, the person who had the bottle of Brady was actually Frank Prentice.
The person whose brandy bottle was thrown overboard was actually Frank Prentice. Dillon was indeed drunk, but didn't have a bottle on him when he reached boat 4 as far as I'm aware.
Wow, that was something that I never knew and I've been studying the Titanic for over 25 years. That little piece of information escaped me. I'm still learning something about the Titanic after all these years.
Another great video. Can you make a video about the suction? How life boats didn’t obey Captains orders to return to the ship because of fear of the suction. Myth busters seemed to have disproved that theory but they used a small boat as an example.
I've been a Titanic historian for 40 years, and the main thing I've learnt in those years is that history is not a fact: It's a sea of opinions, based on fallible witnesses, ever changing physical evidence, and a tide of shifting agreement. 700 survivors watched Titanic sink; they told 700 different stories about how it happened; they were all right, and they were all wrong: we will never know the full and true story. For 70 years we knew the Titanic sank in one piece. For 90 years we knew the Titanic had a four bladed propeller. For 20 years we knew the Titanic broke at the tank room. For 30 years we knew the Titanic's funnels fell during the break up. Imagine what we'll know about Titanic in 20 years.
Using the 4th funnel as a marker to the behaviour of the ship is a key piece of evidence due to the subsequent detail. The same event had multiple witnesses. Mr. Dillan's experience is unique. The primary sources of testimonies are the two enquiries. It is remarkable that even now, new insights are being drawn more than 100 years after publication. Every day I pass a Fiat. It is a fantastic shade of not yellow and not buff, an ideal ship colour. I keep thinking of White Star's official colour. It must be close.
Greaser Alfred White actually made his way out of the ship by climbing inside the dummy funnel 4. His chances of survival would have been slim if it had fallen over so early after the break-up He was picked up by lifeboat 4. His story would be additional evidence that it stood up for a while before the sea reached it
Thomas Patrick "Paddy" Dillon was one of the most interesting survivors. After the ship hit the iceberg he admitted to investigators that he just kind of "knocked about" for 30 minutes. He also had a bottle of Brandy in his coat and was sharing a cigarette with three of his mates when the ship went down. They were as far aft as you could go on the stern. None of his mates survived. Paddy was fished out of the sea and pulled into a lifeboat unconscious, possibly passed out drunk. When he came to he was under two dead bodies. The officer in his lifeboat saw him with his bottle of brandy and confiscated it.
What I wanna know is what happened to the aft mast when the ship broke (Julian Fellowes’ Titanic 2012 depicted the aft mast falling over to port after the break up)
Hi Sam! My 8yo son LOVES your channel and he is quite obsessed with ship disasters 😅 he wrote you a letter and drawing that I wanted to send. Do you have a PO box for fan mail or an email (I can take a picture of the letter to email)? Let me know as he’s been badgering me to send it 😂
in retrospective , this and what we found on the wreck in the 80's explains why they used to believe it broke apart in the same way it did in the 1997 movie
Hey Sam I'm in Belfast right now in a hotel close to the museum, not the titanic Hotel, but I go to the museum today and I'm also going aboard the nomadic. Will upload videos if your interested
Hi Historic Travels, if you haven’t already, could you maybe do a video about what happened to Titanic’s lifeboat No 13 as I would be interested to know your opinion, if you have already then don’t worry and I’ll go try and find it!
my theory: the ship sunk bow first, no severe verticality, 1st funnel collapsed , 2nd did fall when it was base-under, then the lights went out, the ship still sank normally to the bow, almost when the 3rd funnel was gonna collapse, the ship split and it had a severe list to the port side, the 3rd funnel collapses, the 4th funnel falls at the end and it slips away
I'm not sure I understand the idea of water pressure crushing the base of the funnels so close to the surface. They may have been "thin metal," but metal is still metal. How deep in the water could they have been? Ten, twenty feet? A human body can easily withstand that depth, and I'm sure "thin metal" is sturdier than flesh. I always thought it was the strange angle of the ship over the course of the sinking compromising their structural integrity until they just gave out. As a point of comparison, the Lusitania's final plunge occurred at a shallower angle and went down with all four funnels still attached.
New research the funnels fell deeper into the water than previously though, almost half submerged due to their design. The funnels on Brittanic didn't fall till they were half submerged.
It always makes me laugh when people talk about the break up I remember a time before her wreck was discovered and only a handful of people thought that she had broken up and most survivers said she didn't.
What interests me is the engine room and boiler room were they abandoned and evacuated in an attempt to save themselves or were they trapped below and drowned like in the 1997 film?
Hi, when she started sinking, the amount of water pouring into her was just so huge, dropping anchor wouldn't have helped at all. She was flooding badly with 304 tonnes of water per minute entering the ship.
The stern was not designed to operate as a vessel on it's own. The superstructure was needed to keep it in place, and since two thirds of the structure had broken off, there was never a chance it would sit quietly on the sea.
I mean from a first glance it makes sense why the 4th funnel did not fall, the supports held it up and were tuff unlike the funnels themselves were like wet-paper if compromised to stress or water they failed in the insides then would start to fall breaking the ropes as funnel 1 / 2 did. Funnel 3 become compromised due to the break up as the aft break up section and stern broke up only about 10 - 20 feet away from it in width which means most likely the inner stack casing going to the coal bunkers broke up as the boilers, what not were shoved up from the keel being compressed as the ship broke apart bottom - up. Along with this the break up also severely affected Boat and A along with B deck (being the last to fail and break-up) the iron or steel ropes (don't know material) on boat deck for the 3rd funnel would have faced immense stress and brake apart. Let alone from the stress coming from the bow plunging under while B deck keeps the aft break-up piece and the Stern connected to the bow. All of this in mind for the 3rd funnel it would have made it almost physically impossible to not collapse. Compare this to the 4th funnel which was 90 ft apart from both the 3rd funnel and break up point *roughly* it would have gone under FAR less stress and destruction blow vs the 3rd funnel, the 4th funnel was more aless in a lucky position as it was just after the engines on titanic meaning when the engines were forced up with the boilers as well into other decks it would have received far less structural damage to any stability it could have gained from the inside along with this the break up did not comprise the outdoor structure of the 4th funnel or its ropes meaning the only potential for it to fall in any soiled concrete way from a basic physics standpoint is by the stern collapsing and falling into the sea snapping the ropes or compromising further structural damage or if somehow the engines mange to move back and compromise areas around the funnel before falling out the hull are the only real ways i see the 4th funnel falling early. My prediction / Conclusion truly is i think the 4th funnel followed a similar if not identical situation to 1/2 funnels i.e. being compromised by water in the insides and around the funnel exterior base due to the thin protection of the steel and it being mostly open-bodied inside* and buckling then collapsing causing a chain reaction for the ropes to collapse. Let's see if i'm right, if I'm not i will edit this comment and put "WRONG" in stars, below this. EDIT: Surprised, i was right for a change mostly.
hi sam! really enjoy your videos! i have a question regarding the Californian... lets say the Californian was 17-20 miles away from titanic (could have been closer if the titanic was visible to the naked eye as some say,(so i saw))so 17-20 miles away, how long do you think it would have taken them to reach the titanic? and could it arguably rescued the rest of the survivors? and the californian was a much smaller ship thanks!!
Hello ....I have a question ...in the 2012 tv mini series is a part where the italian waiters and stewarts are put under lock and key .....did something like that really happen?
It’s just pure speculation. It may have remained in situ following the collapse… but we don’t know for certain. Water pressure at the base of the fourth funnel - WTF!
I don't know who to believe either "Part Time Explorer" or "Titanic Honor and Glory" they do different animations. I believe "Titanic Honor and Glory".
I personnaly believe a mix. I think PTE's timings from 11;40-2:15 i think are pretty accurate to eyewitness accounts and THG's breakup looks more like what eyewitnesses describe. I think PTE from 11:40 to 2:15 and THG to 2:15 to 2;23 (With a few minor corrections such as forward tower breaking off in descent and plunge from 2;15 till break being a bit quicker)
Sam I have a question: If there were wine and perfume bottles sealed and found in the wreckage of the titanic after 100+years, and those didn't implode, why did the Titan implode?
In current theories, the lights go out in sections, for me, the middle circuit in even keel (Forward - earlier at 2:07) which i think they mistook as bow disappearing so some thought Titanic broke with all funnels on.
How is it possible to have titanic wreck head pointing towards northeast? Was she not travelling towards west in her maiden voyage when she hit the iceberg? How did it rotate towards northeast after hitting an iceberge? Or was there a rotation of the bow section in falling?
@@toddkurzbard But how? Remember she was moving towards west (from east) before hitting the berg (New York was on her west straight ahead). Even when Murdoch spotted the berg, he decided to turn her to the left of the berg. When you move towards west, your left is south.
@@alirezamahdavi2403 But from most accounts I've heard or read, after turning left to try to avoid the bow hitting the iceberg, the helm was ordered to turn back to the right to swing the stern away from the berg. A maneuver called "porting around"
@janbayram The 4th funnel was built very differently from the 3rd funnel. It was built much stronger and the guy wires were only their to help with Stability. None of the Titanic's funnels fell because of the guy wires snapping. The wires snapped because the funnels were falling. Even if the deckhouse formed, which I think it did due to Fred Scott's Testimony, it would snap nearly all guy wires but based on my research, due to its design and how well built it was (that the funnels probably fell partially submerged but based on my research, only 40%) it wouldn't fall. Their is also evidence of this on the wreck, if it fell, the deckhouse would have been crushed and mangled. However, it isn't, so that would help suggest that it fell late. The damage to the first class smoking room was probably caused by the implosion. Unless the stern crashed back into the water, then the 4th funnel falling would be quite unrealistic. I doubt it even fell at the surface. If it fell at the surface, it would end up further from the stern but it is quite near to the stern so it probably would have disintegrated during the descent. It was built quite strongly so it couldn't have fallen unless the stern crashed back. It would require less force than the mast so if it fell, the mast would have fallen. While the 4th funnel was fake, it was quite structurally stable. Plenty of survivors said it stood long after break. These include Jack Thayer, Ida Hippach, Edward Buley, George Crowe, Samuel Rule, George Symons, Frank Evans, Fredrick Hoyt, Thomas Dillon, Ruth Becker, Patrick Dillon, Thomas Ranger, and John Collins. If it falls during or after break, it dismisses countless survivors. For example, Jack Thayer literally said that he saw the fourth funnel in the water still standing as the stern rose up.Ida Hippach and Edward Buley said that they watched the remaining funnel for several minutes.Thomas Dillon said that the funnel didn't fall until the ship actually went down.George Crowe, when asked, said that it remained standing after the stern floated back.John Collins said it was still visible when the ship turned over and went down. The reason everyone says it did was because it was shown in several popular theories. While scources like OASAG are great scources in my opninion, they went with the funnel collapse in break as it is the general consensus of what happened. Apologies for any offense, no offense meant.
I honestly thought I knew everything to possibly know about titanic, but then I came across this guy and now I can't keep up, Mad respect to him.
this is exactly why people need to quit thinking they know everything about something they only partially know about but even I admit he's pretty damn good at what he does
Everything I know about the Titanic, I've learned from Sam.
I keep thinking, there can't possibly be any more to know, then he releases a new video, covering another interesting aspect of the Titanic disaster. I had no interest in the Titanic, or ships in general, until I found Sam's channel. I was immediately hooked because of his enthusiasm for the subject...that enthusiasm is definitely contagious.
@@Terri_MacKay right I'm the same way it really is surprising how many new things are discovered about the ship that we don't know
Same bro
It's amazing that we keep learning new information about the sinking of the Titanic even after all the survivors are dead. New details have come to light since James Cameron made his Titanic movie in 1996
I agree, it is awesome that we keep learning new information about the ship in my opinion.
Have you ever watched the James Cameron movie after watching the Historical Travels videos?
@@PowerRangerfan I did watch the movie again in June 2023. I did watch it before Historic Travels became a UA-camr, and I have watched the movie a couple of times.
@@billtherailfanner455 it's cool that so many things in the movie really happened
1997.
Hi Sam! I'm absolutely amazed that they completely ignored the survivors' testimony that the ship even broke apart in the first place. All of the movies prior to 1997 show it just gracefully slipping down into the ocean. They totally disregarded all the survivors that said it broke up. They just wanted to fantasize that the ship went down regally and majestically. It was anything but, as we know for sure now today.
or it was difficult to shoot back then
Well... It's not like ALL the survivors said it broke up. Most of the interviewed survivors in 1912 said it sank in one piece, including the surviving officers. It's not even like historians later revisited the evidence and concluded that the ship did indeed break up - in 1985 when the wreck was discovered, it was a total shock to everyone except 4 of the 6 living survivors that the Titanic had broken up.
@@RCassinellothe mayority actualy said that it broke
Yeah, what was up with that. Did they even consider how painful it was for them to watch me tear in two? Not only was it scary for me but the passengers were horrified to even see me break up. The worse part is that all the survivors have now passed away and things like the Olympic switch theory still exist. LEAVE MY SISTER OLYMPIC ALONE!!!
@Historic Travels The #4 funnel falling during the break up is a mistake that is quite common even until today. Survivors like Jack Thayer stated it stood long after the break up, even when the stern was rising again, he states that the funnel did not fall. There are also survivors who testified it still standing are: Edward Buley, George Crowe, Samuel Rule, George Symons, Frank Evans, Fredrick Hoyt, Thomas Dillon, Ruth Becker, Patrick Dillon, Thomas Ranger, and John Collins. All of them state they saw the funnel standing long after the break, and even when the stern was rising again, it did not fall. When the ship broke, stern isn’t exactly falling, it’s settling, making the stern's crash not as violent, making the funnel have no reason to fall. The stern would need to either crash down like in the 1997 movie (but the angle is too high), or flop into the water so hard, it makes the funnel topple. Sam, I'm happy that you understand why the funnel can't fall during the break up, but there's one thing I don't exactly agree with, at least, not anymore, and that is the funnel "canting-back". It is actually quite logical to think that it wasn't canted back either. Even tho Patrick Dillon stated he saw the funnel "cant-up" toward him, he was drunk on the night of the sinking, so he could have just been seeing things, it's not illogical since we have Charles Joughin who stated the whole stern rolled over to port, when in reality, it didn't. Dillon was the only one who "saw" this happen, and in his drunk state in the sinking, it doesn't make his account all that convincing. Another reason why it makes sense for it to not fall or cant, is because the #4 funnel's remains are located to be somewhere very close to the stern, if the funnel broke off at the surface, it would possibly be in a location much farther from the stern in the wreck. For me, I have the funnel breaking off when the stern is spiraling during the descent, where it would be thrown off somewhere near the stern, which is where it rests, near the port side of the stern wreck. (This is me, Titanic and other ship studies 🚢, just in a different account to anyone who was wondering.)
(Yup, this is me)
Nice mini-essay. 😄
@@Wolfric_Rogers Thanks! ☺️
@@titanicandothershipstudies4202 Hello good sir, I just wanted to say your essay about my No.4 funnel was remarkable and as a result you have my respect. Have a good day, goodbye.
Also, yes I am the Titanic.
I'm genuinely impressed by how much content this guy had been able to squeeze out of the Titanic disaster.
It’s extraordinary! He’s obviously getting the views on all things Titanic = $$$
He did a video on " when the funnels calapsed "
The only difference is " when
did the 4th funnel calapsed "
Same 💩 over and over
He never does any other ships
@@derpyplayground Yeah, I would like to see one on the SS Statendam/Justicia. She was sunk in WW1 because the German U-boat that sank her thought she was the USS Leviathan/ SS Imperator.
@@derpyplaygroundYes, he does do other ships. Just because someone likes the titanic particularly doesn’t mean that he’s milking the hell out of it.
I love all your videos Sam. I'm usually a 'silent viewer' as rarely engage in comment sections of anything but I feel like when I'm watching you, I'm having a really great conversation (even though I never speak you answer all the questions I would ask!) You provide all these great videos and I've been around for not much longer than a year and it has been so good to watch you grow so much as you deserve so I send lots of love and appreciation from England, 45ish mins away from Southampton, and just 15 minutes from the final resting place of the Duff-Gordons and Smith's family
Lightoller described being up to his knees in water in collapsible b. Are there any more details about this lifeboat and what they experienced. I guess all those people on the raft would push it under water but its hard to imagine it staying afloat. Also harold bride and lightoller both report seeing jack phillips after the sinking. Its believed that he died in the sinking but i think he made it to collapsable b. Lightoller said he spoke to the senior wireless operator which was phillips. Then said he fell into the water but they kept his head above water where he died of hypothermia. Harold bride said he saw his body before being helped up the ropes to the carpathia. To me this is more sad then when rose was trying to wake up jack.
Imagine if Titanic had broken and the stern able to stay afloat due to the water tight compartments.
Theoretically that could be possible but the engines were pulling one side of the stern down so it quickly went down below the water and started taking on water above the watertight compartments. Without the bow the weight distribution has completely went all over the place
Wow i didn’t knew that I really would enjoy a video about that topic
@@marcin7928 Didn't the double bottom hold on a bit longer and pull the stern down for a moment?
@@fnaffoxy1987 True, as a matter of fact that pull were more significant to sinking of the stern than those engines. The bow could have hold to the stern long enough for stern to take on water and that could be the reason it did not stay a float for longer. Also after the break up, the bow and stern hit each other on their tops crumbling all the decks and possibly watertight compartments walls. Regardless of the reason - there was too much damage to the structure of the ship, plus the sterns weight distribution did not help to stay a float on its own.
Please refer to Mike Brady's video "Final Plunge: Titanic's HORRIFYING Last Five Minutes" as he mentioned that in the video. Mike Brady's channel's name Is Ocean Liner Designs. Please check it out.
The passion Sam puts into his work is insane!! most creators of this genre have an almost corporate feel to them, but Sam doesn't overly-promote his channel and instead focus' on spreading lots of information! its insane and I learn something knew every time I watch u Sam! keep it up!
Lackadaisy got lots of funding today, I’m so glad to see my day brightened again by your videos !!!
Well that's certainly interesting. I had no idea the fourth funnel managed to remain upright either. While I could never truly understand why it was depicted as falling during the breakup in most depictions to be fair, at the same time it made a bit of sense to me. It wasn't until you mentioned how Titanic, being an ocean liner, was of course designed to be tossed about in harsh conditions and remain intact that I put one and two together. That actually makes a whole lot of sense. Yet even still, given the angle she was at for her final plunge, it's honestly a testament to her designers and builders that her funnels could still remain upright even in such a condition.
Thank you Sam for inspiring so many creator like myself to make our own channels about this type of stuff. I love learning about the Titanic (Hence my username) and making UA-cam videos all about different types of ships. Keep up the great work👍
Just came across your channel recently and have been loving getting caught up! As a guy who has always been so interested in the Titanic I love being able to watch, learn and think of things I haven't considered before! Keep up the awesome work!
I appreciate your time and knowledge on this subject. I live in Kingsport Tennessee and I am very close to pigeon forge. You have inspired me to go and visit the Titanic museum next time a venture that way. Should be extra exciting. And I can now impress people when I go, now that I have watched hours of your content.
"After that, I want to follow that episode up by taking you back to the surface of the sea, and back in time to what happened on the night the Titanic sank and how just flicking a switch and changing the psychology, how that could have saved many, many lives"
-Nick Van der Leek, True Crime Rocket Science
Love your Titanic videos, Sam!
Amazing how much is still being learnt from this story of the Titanic!!
"Interviewer:
But Senator Collins why did the front of the ship fall off?
Bob Collins - Australian Senator:
Well a wave hit it.
Interviewer:
A wave hit it?
Bob Collins - Australian Senator:
A wave hit the ship!
Interviewer:
Is that unusual?
Bob Collins - Australian Senator:
Oh yeah! At sea? Chance in a million!"
Ahhhh was going through withdrawal, needed my Historic Travels fix!
The best channel on youtube bar none!
Thanks for clarifying with the 4th funnel Sam. You did a great job. The fourth funnel stayed standing after the break up until it was pushed aft by the water current as the water reached the funnel, especially with Thomas Patrick Dillion’s testimony saying the fourth funnel was pushed aft by the water current as the water reached it and with most survivors who saw the 4 funnel saying it stayed on after the break up which made it easier to see what the ship was doing after the break up despite of the fact it was a moonless night which means when most of the power went out, it plunged the ship into near total darkness, the only way to see the ship when the power went out would be the stars in the sky, and the few emergency lights but it would be still very hard to see what the ship was doing, but by watching the black outline of the 4th funnel in the night sky, the survivors had a easier time seeing what the ship was doing in the final moments. Edit: From researching Thomas Patrick Dillion and seeing some stuff from the Encyclopedia Titanic, I found out that he was actually drunk at the time as first class passenger Miss Elizabeth Eustis said she saw a drunk man with a bottle of Brady and that the men was thrown into the bottom of the boat and a blanket thrown over him. Elizabeth was on lifeboat 4 and Thomas Patrick Dillion was saved from the water and put into boat 4 as well, and Dillion lost consciousness once he was safe in boat 4. So I now believe that the 4th funnel fell after the stern went under, but still good job Sam. Edit 2: While it is true that Dillion was drunk, the person who had the bottle of Brady was actually Frank Prentice.
The person whose brandy bottle was thrown overboard was actually Frank Prentice. Dillon was indeed drunk, but didn't have a bottle on him when he reached boat 4 as far as I'm aware.
@@Wolfric_Rogers Ok, thanks for the information.
Wow, that was something that I never knew and I've been studying the Titanic for over 25 years. That little piece of information escaped me. I'm still learning something about the Titanic after all these years.
You should make an updated video of your theory on how the titanic sank! Btw you make really good videos!
Another great video. Can you make a video about the suction? How life boats didn’t obey Captains orders to return to the ship because of fear of the suction. Myth busters seemed to have disproved that theory but they used a small boat as an example.
I've been a Titanic historian for 40 years, and the main thing I've learnt in those years is that history is not a fact: It's a sea of opinions, based on fallible witnesses, ever changing physical evidence, and a tide of shifting agreement. 700 survivors watched Titanic sink; they told 700 different stories about how it happened; they were all right, and they were all wrong: we will never know the full and true story.
For 70 years we knew the Titanic sank in one piece.
For 90 years we knew the Titanic had a four bladed propeller.
For 20 years we knew the Titanic broke at the tank room.
For 30 years we knew the Titanic's funnels fell during the break up.
Imagine what we'll know about Titanic in 20 years.
Using the 4th funnel as a marker to the behaviour of the ship is a key piece of evidence due to the subsequent detail. The same event had multiple witnesses.
Mr. Dillan's experience is unique.
The primary sources of testimonies are the two enquiries. It is remarkable that even now, new insights are being drawn more than 100 years after publication.
Every day I pass a Fiat. It is a fantastic shade of not yellow and not buff, an ideal ship colour. I keep thinking of White Star's official colour. It must be close.
Greaser Alfred White actually made his way out of the ship by climbing inside the dummy funnel 4. His chances of survival would have been slim if it had fallen over so early after the break-up
He was picked up by lifeboat 4. His story would be additional evidence that it stood up for a while before the sea reached it
I just found your channel a couple weeks ago, and I most definitely will have watched every video soon. Love the content man
I always thought Titanic's funnels all fell after the break-up. Cool to find out a new fact
Thats what makes the Titanic so fascinating ! We keep learning new things , even after all these years !
Thomas Patrick "Paddy" Dillon was one of the most interesting survivors. After the ship hit the iceberg he admitted to investigators that he just kind of "knocked about" for 30 minutes. He also had a bottle of Brandy in his coat and was sharing a cigarette with three of his mates when the ship went down. They were as far aft as you could go on the stern. None of his mates survived. Paddy was fished out of the sea and pulled into a lifeboat unconscious, possibly passed out drunk. When he came to he was under two dead bodies. The officer in his lifeboat saw him with his bottle of brandy and confiscated it.
New info... great work! 👍
It's not new info, it's just that most people ignored it until it was shown off in a popular theory. I've known about the evidence for years now.
What I wanna know is what happened to the aft mast when the ship broke (Julian Fellowes’ Titanic 2012 depicted the aft mast falling over to port after the break up)
Since the stern only settled back, nothing would have happened to the mast.
At 5:59 your cat runs by the window outside? 😂
It's not the Cats, it's just a Car
I love the Titanic Videos. My Bathroom is actually Titanic Themed
I love your videos. I have to say I always believed both funnels three and four actually fell when titanic broke apart.
Hi Sam! My 8yo son LOVES your channel and he is quite obsessed with ship disasters 😅 he wrote you a letter and drawing that I wanted to send. Do you have a PO box for fan mail or an email (I can take a picture of the letter to email)? Let me know as he’s been badgering me to send it 😂
in retrospective , this and what we found on the wreck in the 80's explains why they used to believe it broke apart in the same way it did in the 1997 movie
Hey Sam I'm in Belfast right now in a hotel close to the museum, not the titanic Hotel, but I go to the museum today and I'm also going aboard the nomadic. Will upload videos if your interested
Dude you do so good each time
Really enjoy your vids bud. 👍
Anytime Sam makes a video, it makes my day honestly.
I give the video a “like” every time Sam points at me. Best videos about the Titanic out there!
Sam, why'd you switch to Honor & Glory's animations from Tom Lynskey's?
Love your videos Sam!
This guy is mezmerizing. I put on his long videos to fall asleep too. You would be a grreat teacher man.
Hi Historic Travels, if you haven’t already, could you maybe do a video about what happened to Titanic’s lifeboat No 13 as I would be interested to know your opinion, if you have already then don’t worry and I’ll go try and find it!
Poor mr.andrews and all the shipyard workers......must've been something to have all their hardwork go down the drain so fast (no pun intended)
You should do a video about what happened to the lifeboats after the passengers where rescued!!
Hey man I cant find the first part of the Bright Side videos. Can only find 2-7 could you link it in the comments by chance?
my theory: the ship sunk bow first, no severe verticality, 1st funnel collapsed , 2nd did fall when it was base-under, then the lights went out, the ship still sank normally to the bow, almost when the 3rd funnel was gonna collapse, the ship split and it had a severe list to the port side, the 3rd funnel collapses, the 4th funnel falls at the end and it slips away
Well the funnels also had those support cables keeping them up
do a video on the compass tower of the titanic. i always wondered what happened to the structure that was inbetween the second and third funnels
I'm not sure I understand the idea of water pressure crushing the base of the funnels so close to the surface. They may have been "thin metal," but metal is still metal. How deep in the water could they have been? Ten, twenty feet? A human body can easily withstand that depth, and I'm sure "thin metal" is sturdier than flesh. I always thought it was the strange angle of the ship over the course of the sinking compromising their structural integrity until they just gave out. As a point of comparison, the Lusitania's final plunge occurred at a shallower angle and went down with all four funnels still attached.
New research the funnels fell deeper into the water than previously though, almost half submerged due to their design. The funnels on Brittanic didn't fall till they were half submerged.
Hi Sam I was wondering was Britannic's name going to be Gigantic or is that just a myth?
Yes, it was going to be named Gigantic, but Ismay felt the name was wrong, egotistical and so a more patriotic name Britannic was used instead.
Are you gonna do another mailtime video? Cause I send you a couple of drawings.
Wasn't funnel 4 fake? ie. Only for show and ventilation of internal ship?
Yes, but it was quite structurally stable.
It always makes me laugh when people talk about the break up I remember a time before her wreck was discovered and only a handful of people thought that she had broken up and most survivers said she didn't.
What interests me is the engine room and boiler room were they abandoned and evacuated in an attempt to save themselves or were they trapped below and drowned like in the 1997 film?
Thanks for sharing
Hey Sam, would you mind doing a decent length video(s) about the US Munchen ship that mysteriously disappeared please.
Hey Sam when is your first episode of the queen Mary coming out?
Yeah i thought about that to🤔
Wierd question would they have tried to make the titanic lighter by dropping the anchors or anything like that. Thank you for all the awesome videos
Hi, when she started sinking, the amount of water pouring into her was just so huge, dropping anchor wouldn't have helped at all. She was flooding badly with 304 tonnes of water per minute entering the ship.
Hey Sam why do u always when ur near the tv why is stuff always on the tv?
Question, why did the stern did not remain afloat after the breakup? Could the aft watertight compartments not keep it afloat?
The stern was not designed to operate as a vessel on it's own. The superstructure was needed to keep it in place, and since two thirds of the structure had broken off, there was never a chance it would sit quietly on the sea.
I have a question for a what if Sam, what if titanic was made out of iron?
Hey Sam if you see this I want to ask a question what do you think is the most accurate titanic break up theory and your videos are awesome 😁
I mean from a first glance it makes sense why the 4th funnel did not fall, the supports held it up and were tuff unlike the funnels themselves were like wet-paper if compromised to stress or water they failed in the insides then would start to fall breaking the ropes as funnel 1 / 2 did. Funnel 3 become compromised due to the break up as the aft break up section and stern broke up only about 10 - 20 feet away from it in width which means most likely the inner stack casing going to the coal bunkers broke up as the boilers, what not were shoved up from the keel being compressed as the ship broke apart bottom - up. Along with this the break up also severely affected Boat and A along with B deck (being the last to fail and break-up) the iron or steel ropes (don't know material) on boat deck for the 3rd funnel would have faced immense stress and brake apart. Let alone from the stress coming from the bow plunging under while B deck keeps the aft break-up piece and the Stern connected to the bow. All of this in mind for the 3rd funnel it would have made it almost physically impossible to not collapse.
Compare this to the 4th funnel which was 90 ft apart from both the 3rd funnel and break up point *roughly* it would have gone under FAR less stress and destruction blow vs the 3rd funnel, the 4th funnel was more aless in a lucky position as it was just after the engines on titanic meaning when the engines were forced up with the boilers as well into other decks it would have received far less structural damage to any stability it could have gained from the inside along with this the break up did not comprise the outdoor structure of the 4th funnel or its ropes meaning the only potential for it to fall in any soiled concrete way from a basic physics standpoint is by the stern collapsing and falling into the sea snapping the ropes or compromising further structural damage or if somehow the engines mange to move back and compromise areas around the funnel before falling out the hull are the only real ways i see the 4th funnel falling early.
My prediction / Conclusion truly is i think the 4th funnel followed a similar if not identical situation to 1/2 funnels i.e. being compromised by water in the insides and around the funnel exterior base due to the thin protection of the steel and it being mostly open-bodied inside* and buckling then collapsing causing a chain reaction for the ropes to collapse.
Let's see if i'm right, if I'm not i will edit this comment and put "WRONG" in stars, below this.
EDIT: Surprised, i was right for a change mostly.
There's no ½ funnel in the Titanic
you know what i mean, stop being a hypocrite.@@terraspace1100
What happened to the Britannic's grand staircase
Hi Sam you could make a video about where did the lifeboats on titanic go
Great video
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! SAM IS GETTING IT RIGHT BOYS!! THE FUNNEL DID NOT FALL!!
There’s a new bright side titanic video that just got posted!!
Idk if you do requests but, could you do one on Finnish passengers on the titanic?
hi sam! really enjoy your videos!
i have a question regarding the Californian... lets say the Californian was 17-20 miles away from titanic (could have been closer if the titanic was visible to the naked eye as some say,(so i saw))so 17-20 miles away, how long do you think it would have taken them to reach the titanic? and could it arguably rescued the rest of the survivors? and the californian was a much smaller ship thanks!!
Hello ....I have a question ...in the 2012 tv mini series is a part where the italian waiters and stewarts are put under lock and key .....did something like that really happen?
It’s just pure speculation. It may have remained in situ following the collapse… but we don’t know for certain. Water pressure at the base of the fourth funnel - WTF!
How many times did Sam say “Funnel” in this video? I wanna know.
*"Take a shot every time Sam says funnel."*
@@Wolfric_Rogers i ain’t doin allat
I don't know who to believe either "Part Time Explorer" or "Titanic Honor and Glory" they do different animations. I believe "Titanic Honor and Glory".
I personnaly believe a mix. I think PTE's timings from 11;40-2:15 i think are pretty accurate to eyewitness accounts and THG's breakup looks more like what eyewitnesses describe. I think PTE from 11:40 to 2:15 and THG to 2:15 to 2;23 (With a few minor corrections such as forward tower breaking off in descent and plunge from 2;15 till break being a bit quicker)
How fascinating!
whoa.....
It did break after the 3rd
Would a bigger rudder have saved Titanic
If everyone on the titanic had a wet suit would they be saved against the cold waater
Wetsuits were not invented until 1952
I thought the titanic breakup the 4th funnel is left
Sam I have a question:
If there were wine and perfume bottles sealed and found in the wreckage of the titanic after 100+years, and those didn't implode, why did the Titan implode?
if it nevre fell why would it be off when we found the stern????
Because the stern section went down by its broken end - wasn't hydrodynamic - and tore apart as it descended to the ocean floor.
What about the survivor that said that when the ship splits in half all funnels were standing still.
In current theories, the lights go out in sections, for me, the middle circuit in even keel (Forward - earlier at 2:07) which i think they mistook as bow disappearing so some thought Titanic broke with all funnels on.
What if titanic sank during the day
Are you sure the 4th funnel didn't actually do a V-break?
My ride
How is it possible to have titanic wreck head pointing towards northeast? Was she not travelling towards west in her maiden voyage when she hit the iceberg? How did it rotate towards northeast after hitting an iceberge? Or was there a rotation of the bow section in falling?
After the unsuccessful attempt to avoid the iceberg, the TITANIC's bow was facing north.
@@toddkurzbard But how? Remember she was moving towards west (from east) before hitting the berg (New York was on her west straight ahead). Even when Murdoch spotted the berg, he decided to turn her to the left of the berg. When you move towards west, your left is south.
@@alirezamahdavi2403 But from most accounts I've heard or read, after turning left to try to avoid the bow hitting the iceberg, the helm was ordered to turn back to the right to swing the stern away from the berg. A maneuver called "porting around"
@@HD4lyfe, that's right, it was so that the propellers wouldn't be struck.
@@HD4lyfe Now this makes sense. Thanks.
The reason why Titanic,s 3rd 4th funnels fell because she split
@janbayram The 4th funnel was built very differently from the 3rd funnel. It was built much stronger and the guy wires were only their to help with Stability. None of the Titanic's funnels fell because of the guy wires snapping. The wires snapped because the funnels were falling. Even if the deckhouse formed, which I think it did due to Fred Scott's Testimony, it would snap nearly all guy wires but based on my research, due to its design and how well built it was (that the funnels probably fell partially submerged but based on my research, only 40%) it wouldn't fall. Their is also evidence of this on the wreck, if it fell, the deckhouse would have been crushed and mangled. However, it isn't, so that would help suggest that it fell late. The damage to the first class smoking room was probably caused by the implosion. Unless the stern crashed back into the water, then the 4th funnel falling would be quite unrealistic. I doubt it even fell at the surface. If it fell at the surface, it would end up further from the stern but it is quite near to the stern so it probably would have disintegrated during the descent. It was built quite strongly so it couldn't have fallen unless the stern crashed back. It would require less force than the mast so if it fell, the mast would have fallen. While the 4th funnel was fake, it was quite structurally stable.
Plenty of survivors said it stood long after break. These include Jack Thayer, Ida Hippach, Edward Buley, George Crowe, Samuel Rule, George Symons, Frank Evans, Fredrick Hoyt, Thomas Dillon, Ruth Becker, Patrick Dillon, Thomas Ranger, and John Collins. If it falls during or after break, it dismisses countless survivors. For example, Jack Thayer literally said that he saw the fourth funnel in the water still standing as the stern rose up.Ida Hippach and Edward Buley said that they watched the remaining funnel for several minutes.Thomas Dillon said that the funnel didn't fall until the ship actually went down.George Crowe, when asked, said that it remained standing after the stern floated back.John Collins said it was still visible when the ship turned over and went down. The reason everyone says it did was because it was shown in several popular theories. While scources like OASAG are great scources in my opninion, they went with the funnel collapse in break as it is the general consensus of what happened. Apologies for any offense, no offense meant.
How great would it be if the broken funnels could float on the water.
There is an actual photograph of the stern sinking with the fourth funnel intact.
No way did anyone have a camera, much less succeed in taking a photo as _Titanic_ sank. You must be thinking of some other event.
yes, they took the photo with an iPhone.🤣
@@holeymattress8128 As a selfie, of course. 🤳
Your wrong Sam the ship didn't fall back after the break the back of the ship got pulled up after the font of the sunk
Did you know the titanic broke in half under the water before the 3rd funnel
Do you mean with the break area being slightly underwater but the stern still at the surface?
Does it really matter much?
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